nacho vidal and franceska jaimes stay pushing the limit.
ray victory and ebony ayes on some throwback shit.
vanessa blue and kitten for girl-on-girl.
wes pipes and jada fire for comedy.
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dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
Fri Nov-10-17 08:37 PM
3. "she and jeannie pepper held a young boy down." In response to Reply # 0
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
35. "nope. but, i don't pretend rodney a star. he's a solid player. " In response to Reply # 33 Sat Nov-11-17 11:07 PM by Basaglia
whenever your wings even drop 11ppg, you just lump them in with the SAME 5 NIGGAS and be like "man, you gotta be crazy not to go to UK....look who we produce"
i bet barrett looked at cal like he was out his fuckin mind when he tried to cyse them three bigs like "this what you could be if you come here"
32. "RE: Those guys probably wouldn't be as good as they are. " In response to Reply # 29
>Other top recruits go other places or better recruits go >other places and end up worse.
Not sure about that, for the top, top guys. As a Cuse fan I fully believe Carmelo would’ve been the same level player regardless of where he went. Might not have won a chip everywhere else because Boeheim was smart enough to leave him the f alone and give him the ball.
>So there's that. > >Recruiting, developing talent, and winning the Tourney are 3 >diff things.
Yeah, it’s hard to win a one and done tourney. Developing talent for the very top recruits in one year is overrated IMO. Again speaking from a Cuse perspective, Syracuse gets WAY more credit for a Hakim Warrick - a nobody recruit with little game when he showed up and raw athleticism who became an All American and 10 year NBA player - than they do Carmelo Anthony.
>You probably get tight when you have to replace 2 starters. >Try 4 or 5 every year. Shit ain't easy.
Definitely not easy to win in a one and done format. I’ve thought Calipari was good since UMass. I guess my point is the recruiting results are way out of wack recently with how good he is in comparison to other coaches. And I don’t get it.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86670 posts
Sat Nov-11-17 05:09 PM
22. "Some dudes want the immediate shine." In response to Reply # 11
Some dudes want to learn from a HOFer and earn their spot.
Some dudes just need a change of scenery if they haven't been balling well.
The track record of dudes who transferred away from Duke has *not* been great, historically. Semi Ojeleye is the only one who really prospered-- and he even said publicly it was because he wasn't mature enough to handle the pressure that came with playing at Duke. (And, to be fair to Semi, he's literally the *only* transfer that occurred because I thought he was *earning* minutes that K simply wasn't giving. The other guys who transferred for more minutes were absolutely getting the minutes they were earning.)
I'll be very interested to see how Thornton does at USC, btw. If Melton is suspended forever, maybe he'll get ~18 MPG on that roster... but he was getting more at Duke his freshman year (26 MPG!) and his dad got mad about that, so unsure what's going to happen with this situation. And if Melton comes back, dude will likely ride pine and wait for next season.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86670 posts
Fri Nov-10-17 10:17 PM
8. "I've seen every minute Tucker has played for Duke, including tonight." In response to Reply # 4
He's *very* sped up-- forcing shots, committing turnovers. He's not letting the game come to him.
The one good thing: he's not shy. He comes out looking to make plays. I think by midseason we might see a little more from him, and we'll certainly see him next season. But he's not a player ready for major minutes.
34. "I’ve heard otherwise" In response to Reply # 27
He seemed to be all Cuse for a long time and they badly needed a PG this year and he was the only one they recruited, and he supposedly told them shortly before he committed to UK that he was Cuse bound. Only a few truly know why he switched up. But here he is as a backup....doubt that’s what he was hoping for.
>Lol... Cal don't give a shit about Syracuse dude. He's not >negative recruiting your zone.
Everyone negative recruits the zone. Don’t know why. It’s not like most of those bullshit college man to man defenses are the same thing as NBA man to man either. Or that the NBA really cares either way. They still pick our guys when they’re good enough or have the right measurables.
>He's been saying he doesn't play zone for years, but they've >been asking for him to do it, because of the teams size.
Just thought it was funny that he played zone to come back. Richards specifically said something about not being a “zone guy”.
41. "And, Jordan Tucker is gone....SMH. Predictable." In response to Reply # 4
I’ll never understand why these kids all line up to go there, K isnt playing more than 6 1/2 no matter what and you’ll be recruited over. ACC not an option for Tucker anymore. Should’ve went to Cuse or GT in the first place.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86670 posts
Sun Dec-31-17 09:29 PM
43. "How was he recruited over though? He was the last to commit... " In response to Reply # 41
>I’ll never understand why these kids all line up to go >there, K isnt playing more than 6 1/2 no matter what and >you’ll be recruited over. ACC not an option for Tucker >anymore. Should’ve went to Cuse or GT in the first place.
... and he knew who K was recruiting the following year. He knew who was on this year and who'd likely be on next year. This wasn't recruiting over. This was Tucker not being as good as he thinks he is.
I think he saw himself in the role Alex O'Connell earned. AOC has been better than Tucker from the first public scrimmage. As a result, AOC is almost certainly in line to start next year, which is likely where Tucker saw himself when he committed.
I would've hoped that Tucker would view this as a challenge and work twice as hard, as he was almost certainly going to be a four-year guy anyway. He wants to leave and get those minutes ASAP with less competition in his path. Can't blame him. I wish him well.
45. "they bring in like 4 one and dones every year now" In response to Reply # 43
Of course he’ll be recruited over. And Duke only wanted him once somebody left. He should’ve seen the handwriting on the wall, and if he still wanted Duke then be cool with not seeing the floor for a few years because it was obvious that’s what it was gonna be.
I’m not blaming Duke, I’m blaming him for not using common sense in the first place and then doubling down and bouncing before the 2nd semester. I say this all as an adult and not a 19 year old, though.
Curious that he wasn’t even playing in a lot of the blowouts though.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86670 posts
Sun Dec-31-17 09:58 PM
48. "There are rumors, of course." In response to Reply # 45
> Curious that he wasn’t even playing in a lot of the >blowouts though.
The narrative is "played poorly preseason/in exhibitions, got his spot taken by AOC, got pissy/lazy in practice, sunk further down the order, started looking for an out immediately."
The first two things definitely happened. The practice thing is all hearsay, obviously, but it fits.
Hard to believe that at least SOME of these kids don’t want to put an end to this corny ass follow the leader to Duke or Kentucky bullshit. Lots of great programs out there.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86670 posts
Sun Dec-31-17 10:00 PM
49. "It's the same at Duke too, of course. " In response to Reply # 47
>You come to Kentucky, you get to compete and you will play. >Simple as that.
AOC passed the higher-rated Tucker in the order. Just like Vrank passed Bolden and Jeter last year. Just like Thornton passed Sulaimon back in the day. He digs hustle, hard work, team play.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86670 posts
Mon Jan-01-18 01:45 PM
52. "You on average play 4-5% more bench minutes, according to KenPom." In response to Reply # 50
So yes, by a bit, although Kentucky is also easily sub-200 in the country bench minutes every year, save for the platoon season. Which, as stated above, reveals everything you need to know. If every guy on Cal's bench was ready to play, Cal would play them. Cal's sub-200 in bench minutes nearly every season because not every recruit can come in and give quality enough minutes right away to create platoons. It's always the dream, but rarely the reality. Same for Duke-- Duke's had K go 9 deep in seasons past (2014 the most recent one in memory, same for 2012), but their two most recent titles came from playing 7. The guys who were ready to play title-caliber basketball. It happens.
It's not like Duke has an abundance of guys on the bench who put up terrific efficiency numbers and then don't play either. When they don't play, you see low efficiency/bad shooting/high TOs in their minutes. I'm sure the same goes for who Cal gives minutes to.
51. "He’s basically going to play 6-7 in the games that matter" In response to Reply # 49 Sun Dec-31-17 10:20 PM by DJR
Which is fine. It obviously works for him. No idea why a kid would sign up for that if he wants/expects freshman year PT and he’s pretty clearly not in that top 6-7 though. Waste of 2 years...the one sitting at Duke and the one sitting out.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86670 posts
Mon Jan-01-18 01:52 PM
53. "That's why I was so blown by Thornton's transfer." In response to Reply # 51
He played 26 mpg as a freshman, and the only incoming guy who was PG-adjacent was Frank Jackson, but everyone projected him as more of a combo guard anyway. He almost certainly would've started as the only quasi-true PG on the roster.
Of course, we see now that his family is crazy and gassing him up. He's looked really bad in limited minutes at USC, and that's after sitting out and practicing with the team for a season.
The rumor was that Thornton wanted to stay at Duke but his family pushed hard for him to go somewhere he could "be the man." I always wonder how many of these transfers were fueled by the players and how many were fueled by the families.
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