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TheRealBillyOcean
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"De'Aaron Better"


  

          

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11.09.17 - 1st Game Winner vs the Sixers
Nov 09th 2017
1
fucking annoying
Nov 10th 2017
4
      The big game winning blocks WCS had on Shirley Temple...annoying too?
Nov 10th 2017
7
           CURSE YOU CAL
Nov 10th 2017
8
Than who?
Nov 10th 2017
2
Lonzo. It's obvious. So is DSJ.
Nov 10th 2017
3
      Kidd said GTHOH with the comparisons the other day on ESPN lol
Nov 10th 2017
6
      Based on what? His shooting percentages aren’t THAT much better...
Nov 10th 2017
9
           Nigga is shooting 29%.... everybody's shooting percentage is a lot bette...
Nov 10th 2017
10
           barbershop logic. Only points matter
Nov 10th 2017
16
           I don't even know how many points Fox is scoring.
Nov 10th 2017
20
                they tryna cyse them bum ass rebounds.
Nov 10th 2017
21
           BI and Julius have been responsible for two wins they shouldn't have
Nov 10th 2017
18
And has been for a minute now
Nov 10th 2017
5
As a scorer, of course. We knew that. But 4-5 years from now, ALLL
Nov 10th 2017
11
Fox better overall. What's going to change in 5 years?
Nov 10th 2017
14
As a scorer? Lol.....No as a player. He's better overall.
Nov 10th 2017
15
Ntilikina. <----
Nov 10th 2017
17
      Him too. That kid can hoop.
Nov 10th 2017
19
Joeger gave him a huge vote of confidence too
Nov 10th 2017
12
They got a nice mix of vets and young kids that work hard.
Nov 10th 2017
13
fucked around...
Nov 11th 2017
22
Lonzo, Kuzma, and Randle the only ones to show up tonight
Nov 11th 2017
23
russell is n a do what you want system. he wouldn't be doing shit.
Nov 11th 2017
26
      he wouldn’t be doing shit because he’d get 10 shots like the rest of...
Nov 11th 2017
29
Who cares. Boards, assists, defensive rating don't matter
Nov 11th 2017
24
Good for Lonzo.
Nov 11th 2017
25
RE: Good for Lonzo.
Nov 11th 2017
27
Youngest triple double in NBA history
Nov 11th 2017
28
I’m not convinced.
Nov 22nd 2017
30
So?
Nov 23rd 2017
31
      The funny part was right after you made this post Fox had 3 or 4...
Nov 23rd 2017
32
           No, the funny part is right after I made the post Lakers fans...
Nov 23rd 2017
33
                RE: No, the funny part is right after I made the post Lakers fans...
Nov 23rd 2017
34
                     So you measure by Triple Doubles now? Lol
Nov 23rd 2017
35
                          Forget triple doubles, let's utilize #'s that do matter
Nov 23rd 2017
36
                               You can cherrypick those #’s that matter to nerds & hoops bloggers.
Nov 23rd 2017
37
                                    Lolz - so basically only your biased, limited take matters
Nov 23rd 2017
38
                                         Please tell me about Lonzo’s Defensive Rebound Percentage again. LMAO
Nov 23rd 2017
39
                                              case in point
Nov 23rd 2017
40
                                                   LMAO... you edited your response after my reply? You that pressed?
Nov 23rd 2017
42
                                                        Looks like he refuted every one of your points.
Nov 24th 2017
45
                                                        Nope. He saw my reply to initial response. Then went back & edited...
Nov 24th 2017
46
                                                             Actual meaty analysis. This is good.
Nov 24th 2017
52
                                                                  So as I summed up earlier:
Nov 24th 2017
53
                                                        Dude cmon, you replied as I was editing
Nov 24th 2017
47
                                                             Ay...I don't know why you did what you did.
Nov 24th 2017
49
                                                                  Well this was pointless. Thanks for the reminder
Nov 24th 2017
50
                                                                       Despite being wrong, you provided a poor argument on top of that.
Nov 24th 2017
51
Fox is the worst rookie pg so far
Nov 23rd 2017
41
havent seen sac much but didnt impress. also he is corny
Nov 23rd 2017
43
Solid hot take
Nov 23rd 2017
44
httmarkellefreethrow.gif
Nov 24th 2017
48
01.25.2018 - D. Fox with a game winner
Jan 25th 2018
54
Right on schedule. He's starting to come around.
Jan 26th 2018
55
Better than who? There’s a reason you hadn’t touched this post since...
Jan 26th 2018
56
You already asked me bro. ALL OF THEM.
Jan 26th 2018
57
the only think he had over Lonzo was shooting percentage and that gap...
Jan 26th 2018
59
      Lol @ you still thinking it’s about %’s and rookie stats
Jan 26th 2018
60
           team record?
Jan 26th 2018
62
                Not yet. Just skill set & him individually being better & getting better
Jan 26th 2018
63
                     So your opinion? okayplayer. n/m
Jan 26th 2018
64
                          Opinion based on facts.
Jan 26th 2018
65
calling for him to start
Jan 26th 2018
58
      I started this when he hit his 1st Gamewinner
Jan 26th 2018
61
That follow dunk was amazing. Also, Zo better.
Jan 26th 2018
66
01.28.2018 - 26/3/1 with 6-6 from 3pt range
Jan 29th 2018
67
"I don't do game by game updates."(c)RBO *unless he has a good game*
Jan 29th 2018
68
      My guy hit a milestone. I'm talking about it. Don't get mad bro.
Jan 29th 2018
69
03.14.2018 - Game Winner vs Miami
Mar 15th 2018
70
Nope.
Mar 15th 2018
71
Zo trash bro. Sorry.
Mar 15th 2018
72
Just checking in.
Oct 24th 2018
73
Both Lonzo and DeAaron are playing great this season
Oct 25th 2018
74
You funny
Oct 25th 2018
75
I'm also right
Oct 26th 2018
78
      One is having a great season. The other is still overwhelmingly meh
Oct 26th 2018
79
           I wouldn't say DeAaron is still overwhelmingly meh
Oct 27th 2018
81
Lonzo still duckin that bump??
Oct 25th 2018
76
      He’s not even a consideration at this point.
Oct 25th 2018
77
He's got the Kings humming.
Oct 27th 2018
80
Cuz he’s betterrrrrrrrrrr.... (c) Badu
Oct 29th 2018
82
Mo Better makes it Mo Better
Nov 01st 2018
83
Way better
Nov 01st 2018
84
The view from Sacramento is lovely
Nov 01st 2018
85
Fox getting his name in those books early
Nov 01st 2018
86
... I'm just glad I've been on this bandwagon since college.
Nov 02nd 2018
87
RE: De'Aaron Better
Nov 10th 2018
88
It's true this season.
Nov 11th 2018
89
      It's true since birth
Nov 11th 2018
90
      Not last season.
Nov 11th 2018
93
           No, he was better last season too. All you had to do was watch them...
Nov 11th 2018
94
                That's like the most fake news-iest argument ever.
Nov 11th 2018
95
                Is that what I wrote? I mean we can all re-read what I wrote.
Nov 11th 2018
97
                Agreed
Nov 11th 2018
96
                     Well, that's the thing.
Nov 12th 2018
98
                          What metric shows you who has more value right today, Ball or Fox?
Nov 12th 2018
99
                               Changing the subject?
Nov 12th 2018
100
                                    No. The subject has always been the same. He better.
Nov 12th 2018
101
                                         Geez, how thickheaded are you.
Nov 12th 2018
102
                                              Lmao you goofy nigga, that’s 2nd Trump reference in 2 days.
Nov 12th 2018
103
                                                   Right, because you sounding real Trump-ian
Nov 12th 2018
104
                                                        You sounding mad.
Nov 12th 2018
105
                                                             And you're cherry picking.
Nov 12th 2018
106
                                                                  Lol... but you are mad, hence name calling.
Nov 12th 2018
107
                                                                       Just as I expected.
Nov 13th 2018
108
      He's getting better every game
Nov 11th 2018
91
the kid can ball
Nov 11th 2018
92
He is much better this season. In fact, quite good.
Dec 08th 2018
109
He might be elite by end of the season.
Dec 16th 2018
110
They will be below .500
Dec 16th 2018
111
Lonzo will shoot below .400 for his career.
Dec 16th 2018
112
u big mad or little mad?
Dec 16th 2018
113
      The only part that's unsettling is you driving new slang into the ground
Dec 16th 2018
114
you don't need to be on a 'good' team to be elite
Dec 17th 2018
116
      how many players on sub .500 teams are considered "elite"?
Dec 17th 2018
119
went to that Sac-Dubs game.. he was cooooking Curry lol
Dec 17th 2018
115
      That’s why that he can’t shoot take was wild to me.
Dec 17th 2018
117
I don't need Fox to be THIS good this season tho. Dammit the Kings' pick...
Dec 17th 2018
118
He and Buddy a tough backcourt
Dec 19th 2018
120
RE: He and Buddy a tough backcourt
Dec 20th 2018
121
I'm thinking he can make a good run at one of these All-Star spots.
Dec 31st 2018
122
Steph, Dame, Harden, CONLEY, Russ, Klay, Derozan...tough
Dec 31st 2018
123
      He's got a puncher's chance.
Dec 31st 2018
124
           He's in the conversation!
Dec 31st 2018
125
           and that in itself is a win.
Dec 31st 2018
126
           Of course he is.
Dec 31st 2018
128
           lmao i see what you did there
Dec 31st 2018
134
           nah he really doesn't, in addition to the names above there's...
Dec 31st 2018
127
                He's got a better shot than most of those cats. You mad though. I dig it...
Dec 31st 2018
129
                who? the first 3 aren't debatable and their chances are slim and none......
Dec 31st 2018
130
                     He has a better shot than Holiday, McCollum, Mitchell, ...
Dec 31st 2018
131
                          he doesn't have a better shot than McCollum and Mitchell.
Dec 31st 2018
132
                          Numbers better teams either comparable or better. ***shrugs***
Dec 31st 2018
136
                          They all have the same shot.....zero
Dec 31st 2018
133
                I dunno about that
Dec 31st 2018
135
https://streamable.com/f45ko ... Point GOD with Bron chase down blocks
Jan 11th 2019
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Ridiculous...https://streamable.com/2scmi
Feb 10th 2019
138
a Derrick Coleman block ...
Feb 11th 2019
139
      up 15 with a minute to go to
Feb 11th 2019
140
LeBron would love De'Aaron.
Feb 11th 2019
141
RBO won
Feb 11th 2019
142
Sac should of drafted LUKA btw
Feb 11th 2019
143
Nah Bagley is the perfect compliment and running mate.
Feb 11th 2019
144
absolutely not
Feb 12th 2019
145
      Yáll wild AF
Feb 12th 2019
146

TheRealBillyOcean
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1. "11.09.17 - 1st Game Winner vs the Sixers"
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4. "fucking annoying"
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7. "The big game winning blocks WCS had on Shirley Temple...annoying too?"
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8. "CURSE YOU CAL"
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2. "Than who?"
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3. "Lonzo. It's obvious. So is DSJ. "
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6. "Kidd said GTHOH with the comparisons the other day on ESPN lol"
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9. "Based on what? His shooting percentages aren’t THAT much better..."
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than Lonzo and Lonzo has better assist, rebound, block & steal numbers and his team has a better record.

Sac & Dallas are the 2 worst teams in the West, it’s a lot easier to pad with zero expectations.

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10. "Nigga is shooting 29%.... everybody's shooting percentage is a lot bette..."
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If you base it off of stats or your eyes and you're not a Lakers fan or have stock in the Big Beige Baller Corp, you can clearly see that.

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16. "barbershop logic. Only points matter "
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Lonzo' s also the 2nd highest rated defender on the team (trailing BI, team is currently 6th in defensive rating - the major reason for our relative success thus far)

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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

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20. "I don't even know how many points Fox is scoring."
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I just know better.

I said better last year.

Said better at the draft.

I'm still saying better.

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21. "they tryna cyse them bum ass rebounds. "
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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18. "BI and Julius have been responsible for two wins they shouldn't have"
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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5. "And has been for a minute now"
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11. "As a scorer, of course. We knew that. But 4-5 years from now, ALLL"
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my $$$$$ is on Lonzo.

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14. "Fox better overall. What's going to change in 5 years?"
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>my $$$$$ is on Lonzo.

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15. "As a scorer? Lol.....No as a player. He's better overall."
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He might not throw the best outlet baseball passes, but he's better at everything else.

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17. "Ntilikina. <----"
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19. "Him too. That kid can hoop. "
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12. "Joeger gave him a huge vote of confidence too "
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gave him the ball twice down the stretch


was at the game last night. the kid is unbelievably quick in person. Kings squad is lowkey fun to watch

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13. "They got a nice mix of vets and young kids that work hard."
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I like Justin Jackson. Malachi came in and made some good shots too.

WCS has to stay engaged though.

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22. "fucked around..."
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23. "Lonzo, Kuzma, and Randle the only ones to show up tonight "
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The inconsistencies of a young squad. I’m getting madder and madder seeing Russell become the player I thought he’d be though. Fuckin Mosgov.

  

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26. "russell is n a do what you want system. he wouldn't be doing shit. "
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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29. "he wouldn’t be doing shit because he’d get 10 shots like the rest of..."
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10 shots, 10 shots and 28 minutes for everybody. Shit. I don’t even know what I’m mad at, at this point. I’m just mad.

  

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24. "Who cares. Boards, assists, defensive rating don't matter "
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The two 5 minute stretches where he left the game (end of the 1st and 3rd)...Milwaukee built their lead

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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25. "Good for Lonzo. "
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27. "RE: Good for Lonzo. "
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On ebled the defensive beast

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28. "Youngest triple double in NBA history"
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30. "I’m not convinced."
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31. "So? "
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32. "The funny part was right after you made this post Fox had 3 or 4..."
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shit games in a row and you were quiet as hell lol

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33. "No, the funny part is right after I made the post Lakers fans..."
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got in their feelings and thought this was about Lonzo.

This about D-Fox being better than all them guards Markelle, Dennis Smith, Frankie the Knick, Donovan Mitchell, and Lonzo. With Lonzo having a good chance of being the worst out of all of them.

(I didn't include Monk cuz ape don't kill ape)

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34. "RE: No, the funny part is right after I made the post Lakers fans..."
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>got in their feelings and thought this was about Lonzo.
>
>This about D-Fox being better than all them guards Markelle,
>Dennis Smith, Frankie the Knick, Donovan Mitchell, and Lonzo.
>With Lonzo having a good chance of being the worst out of all
>of them.

How many of them have 2 triple doubles? Or 1? I’ll wait...

Fox ain’t better than Smith either.

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35. "So you measure by Triple Doubles now? Lol"
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How'd that work out for the Lakers the last 2 games?

Every time they make a run, your mans on the bench.

Why?

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36. "Forget triple doubles, let's utilize #'s that do matter"
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Efg% - Fox
Ftr - Fox
Orb% - Zo
Drb% - Zo
Trb% - Zo
Ast% - Zo
Stl% - Zo
Blk % - Zo
Tov% - Fox
Usg - Zo
OWS - Fox
DWS - Zo (by far the biggest discrepancy of all the numbers, Zo is 10x of D'Aaron)
WS - Zo
WS/48 - Zo

As a straight up comparison (not a fan of this but considering it's your thing, I'll go with it) - D'Aaron is shooting better and getting to the line more with less turnovers, while Zo has been the better rebounder, passer, by far the better defender, and contributed more to his team's positive output.

Compared to the league averages - Fox is shooting below average from the field while doing everything else below average, while Lonzo is shooting way below average from the field while doing everything else above average.

I know you don't watch the Lakers outside of national games but it's pretty clear who is playing better once you take off the UK tinted glasses.

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37. "You can cherrypick those #’s that matter to nerds & hoops bloggers."
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Go for it.

Fox has been better in every game I’ve ever seen them play against each other. And most of the work Lonzo has done has been rather inconsequential to the outcome of those games (See the 2 threes in garbage time”).

Lonzo has played more though and has a lot longer leash than Fox. But that’s how they’re bringing Fox along. So sure, Fox doesn’t play huge minutes and they team doesn’t strategize for Fox to get rebounds.

And since Fox has been inserted into the starting lineup his play has been drastically better. See last 10 games.

And oh.... I was at the game on Tuesday and he played like shit. His first shot looked like one of the kids that shot during halftime after doing a sack race in a giant Takis bag.
And when the Lakers played well, he wasn’t in the game. Surprise surprise.

So in all of the games I’ve seen, he’s been shit. The games I saw in person he was shit. His stats show that he’s shit. What do you expect me to think? I gotta watch all of his games now to catch a positive display of ability?

Your excuses are tired. If you’re tight cuz your squad picked a dud, that’s on you.

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38. "Lolz - so basically only your biased, limited take matters"
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That's why we have data - so we can see through dudes like you who are blatantly biased with limited understanding of the game and believe their own anecdotal information while missing the forest for the trees.

As far as the minutes differential, that's why I used #'s that are rates and %'s so it normalizes for that. Additionally, the team doesn't "strategize" to get Lonzo rebounds (that would be OKC last season and not a bad strategy at that), it was BShaw, prior to the Bulls game, who told him to start attacking the glass again because he's our best outlet passer (whereas Fox likes to dribble up-court rather than use the speed of the pass, different styles).

Lol at all the drivel when true, normalized metrics are staring you right in the face...it's sad you have to resort to the Sarah Huckabee Sanders school of PR.

I'll leave you to respond with your basic takes.

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39. "Please tell me about Lonzo’s Defensive Rebound Percentage again. LMAO "
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Your man has been trash. Let’s not pretend that I’m the only one that has pointed this out as fact. Maybe we all have limited basketball knowledge and can’t comprehend the impact of bumass Lonzo.

You couldn’t refute any argument that I’ve already made. How in the world did people watch basketball without Advanced Stats? You’re one of those guys.

We gotta sit here and pretend that Lonzo has been average because he’s a Laker? And I’m biased? You act like you’d be caping this hard if he wasn’t a Laker? FOH.

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40. "case in point"
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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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42. "LMAO... you edited your response after my reply? You that pressed?"
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C’mon... fam... not like this. This ain’t the hill to die on.

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45. "Looks like he refuted every one of your points."
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Normalized data >>>>>>> anecdotal "data"

Until you take into account more than just "SAC vs LA games where Fox is playing more than 'brought-along-slowly' minutes" then it's clear that Ball has been more productive with his minutes than Fox.

  

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46. "Nope. He saw my reply to initial response. Then went back & edited..."
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his response. That shit's lame.

But oh well... I guess me calling that out wasn't enough for you guys. Now I don't look at Lonzo's stats. And I don't watch Fox's stats. But now that I have, the stats do match what I see with my "anecdotal data" or eye test as I've seen since every time they have played against one another or on the same court.

As I pointed out their minutes has been drastically different in the first 18-19 games of their careers, but if you look at their stats Per 36 the picture gets a bit clearer.

Per 36 Minutes:
Fox vs Ball:
Pts: 15.1 vs 9.7
FG%: .410 vs .315
3P%: .320 vs 250
2P%: .424 vs .363
FT%: .711 vs .429
FTA: 3.4 vs 1.6
TOV: 3.1 vs 2.8
Blks: 0.2 vs 0.9
Steals: 1.1 vs 1.5
Ast: 6.3 vs 7.7
Rbd: 4.2 vs 8.0

Fox is scoring more. Right there with assists. He's not being sent to crash the boards as often. But LA's claim is Ball is crashing the boards, because he's their best outlet passer. Is their data to back up that claim or is that what he feels based off a few baseball passes scattered throughout the season?

Per 100 Possessions the gap widens:
Fox vs Ball:
Pts: 21.2 vs 12.6
TOV: 4.3 vs 3.7
Blk: 0.2 vs 1.2
Stl: 1.6 vs 2.0
Ast: 8.8 vs 9.9
Rbd: 5.8 vs 10.4

If you compare Fox, Ball, Ntilikina, and Smith per 100 Possessions. It goes.
Pts: Smith, Fox, Ball, Ntilikina
TOV: Ball, Fox, Ntilikina, Smith
Blk: Ball, Smith, Ntilikina, Fox
Stl: Ntilikina, Ball, Smith/Fox
Ast: Ball, Ntilikina, Fox, Smith
Rbd: Ball, Smith, Fox, Ntilkina
FT%: Fox, Smith, Ntilikina, Ball
FT Attempts: Fox, Smith, Ntilkina, Ball
2P%: Fox, Smith, Ntilkina, Ball
3P%: Fox, Smith, Ntilkina/Ball
FG % Fox, Smith, Ntilikina, Ball


We also have Fox's PER being 11.9 vs Ball's 10.3.

But know... let's highlight all of the Rebounding percentages right?

Not to mention that Fox is getting better as his role has expanded. His shooting improved over the last 10 up to .418. And over his last 5 games .463 and hasn't missed a 3 in 4 tries. While Ball might as well be shooting with his feet. .321 over his last 10 and .320 FG% over his last 5 and .250 3P% over his last 5.

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52. "Actual meaty analysis. This is good."
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So you agree then that statistical analysis is more significant than just games you watch, right? That's a fair assessment?

Then the stats:

Points, shooting, percentages: Fox, no question, not even close.

Assists: The difference isn't the chasm that other categories are but this isn't close enough to be a wash - definitely Lonzo.

Rebounds: Head and shoulders above Fox. Lonzo is #5 among all G's . He's only behind Simmons, Westbrook, Dejounte Murray and Lance Stephenson. As far as his outlet passing, did you not know he's been doing this since high school and all throughout his year at UCLA? We saw the impact in the third game of the season when a Pelicans team featuring AD and Boogie are immediately running back on defense after shot attempts in order to limit Lonzo's outlet passing. Yes, his defensive rebounding is a threat because he's far more effective in transition than in a halfcourt offense.

Steals & Blocks (but really, Defense): About a half steal and a full block more per game. That translates to #14 overall in the league, across all positions. I notice you didn't bring up anything related to defense in your post, despite L2P specifically pointing out how wide the gap was between the two.

Those per 36 stats, Lonzo vs Fox:

STL%: 2.0 vs 1.6
BLK%: 2.0 vs 0.4
DRB%: 18.5 vs 11.2
DWS: 1.0 vs 0.1
Def. Box +/-: 2.5 vs -2.2

Offensive stats for the sake of thoroughness:
PER: 10.3 vs 11.9
TS%: .374 vs .466
ORB%: 4.3 vs 2.2
AST%: 29.4 vs 29.0
TOV%: 18 vs 16
USG%: 18.3 vs 24.0
OWS: -0.9 vs -0.4
Off. Box +/-: -3.0 vs -2.2

What does that give us overall?

WS: 0.2 vs -0.2
WS/48: .013 vs -.025
Box +/-: -0.6 vs -4.4
Value over Replacement Player: 0.2 vs -0.3


If you want to honestly assess a player, do so over his entire time on the court, not just one side. Using purely objective overall stats shows Lonzo than than Fox when defensive contributions are also taken into account. Sure, Fox may absolutely be better with more consistent minutes. But assuming Lonzo is just going regressing or plateauing when his role is changing as well is sheer bias (he's being used less in initiating the halfcourt offense and we're seeing Clarkson/Ingram/Randle handle the ball more at the start of possessions).

Is Lonzo better overall right today? Yes. At the end of the season? Who knows. Honest discourse? Let's hope.


Some bonus stats:

Lonzo being much better than expected on the defensive end has led to the Lakers being #5 in overall Defensive Rating and #8 in Adj. Defensive Rating.

If you're looking at just the Lakers in that team rating, here's Lonzo:

USG%: 18.3% (7th on team)
DWS: 1.0 (1st; Ingram/KCP #2 at 0.8, Randle/Lopez #3 at 0.7)
Def Box +/-: 2.5 (2nd; 1st is Bogut at 6.0, Nance/Brewer/Randle/Hart are next and range from 1.8 to 1.3)

Overall:

WS: 0.2 (10th; Kuzma/Lopez/KCP are #1, #2, #3 at 1.4, 1.2, 1.2)
Box +/-: -0.2 (6th; after Lopez/Nance/KCP/Bogut/Randle)
VORP: 0.2 (T-3rd; Lopez/KCP at 0.4, and Randle is also 0.2)

  

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53. "So as I summed up earlier:"
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Fox has been better when it comes to shooting the ball, nothing else, and particularly worse defensively - to the extent where the shooting differential is overtaken by the defensive differential.

RBO is on his UK blind troll routine (as evidenced by his use of red herrings) and like most of the viewing public, is hyper-focused on scoring.

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47. "Dude cmon, you replied as I was editing "
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I didn’t add or take away any of the actual arguments anyways so you can miss me with that nonsense. Good grief, like dealing with a child who just wants to save face

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49. "Ay...I don't know why you did what you did. "
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The premise remains as it did a year ago. De'Aaron is better than all of them. You taking this personal, and you're in your feelings cuz you're super Lakers fan.

When compared to Ball, Fox is better and more aggressive offensively. And when you put his numbers Per 36 mins and 100 Possessions, it shows that. He shoots the ball drastically better.

Ball has better rebounding numbers but that is how he is being used and that is how the Lakers are constructed.

And what's worse is that Fox is improving as his role increases, and Ball is either getting worse or plateauing as the season goes on.

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50. "Well this was pointless. Thanks for the reminder "
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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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51. "Despite being wrong, you provided a poor argument on top of that."
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I don't know what to tell you. Hopefully you'll ignore this topic altogether in the future. You won't though....cuz....Lakers.

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41. "Fox is the worst rookie pg so far"
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43. "havent seen sac much but didnt impress. also he is corny"
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i guess nike had him making the rounds with nicekicks and shit like that. seems corny AF. bad taste in sneakers, too

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44. "Solid hot take"
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48. "httmarkellefreethrow.gif"
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54. "01.25.2018 - D. Fox with a game winner "
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Scott_Charlton/status/956721266957979648

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55. "Right on schedule. He's starting to come around. "
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The biggest obstacle right now for him is his frame and learning how to play through the nicks and bruises. He's very John Wall like in that sense. John used to get the these little nagging injuries early in his career.

He keeps getting better though.

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56. "Better than who? There’s a reason you hadn’t touched this post since..."
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Thanksgiving...

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57. "You already asked me bro. ALL OF THEM. "
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I don't do game by game updates. And he's been getting hurt too much like I said on top of hitting the wall.

Right on schedule.

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59. "the only think he had over Lonzo was shooting percentage and that gap..."
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was rapidly closing before Zo got hurt, they're actually shooting the same from 3.

He's definitely not better than Dennis either.

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60. "Lol @ you still thinking it’s about %’s and rookie stats"
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62. "team record?"
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63. "Not yet. Just skill set & him individually being better & getting better"
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64. "So your opinion? okayplayer. n/m"
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65. "Opinion based on facts."
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58. "calling for him to start"
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and he ended up being worse as a starter (wonder why?) and he ghosted

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61. "I started this when he hit his 1st Gamewinner"
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I’m not doing a game by game of his rookie year. There’s gonna be ups and downs. All I’m saying he’s better. If anybody wants to catch feelings, that’s play too. As long as we can have it centralized here so I don’t have to search for it years down the road.

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66. "That follow dunk was amazing. Also, Zo better. "
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Like, way better.

  

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67. "01.28.2018 - 26/3/1 with 6-6 from 3pt range"
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https://twitter.com/Scott_Charlton/status/957802046337503237

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68. ""I don't do game by game updates."(c)RBO *unless he has a good game*"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2629725&mesg_id=2629725&page=#2640088

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69. "My guy hit a milestone. I'm talking about it. Don't get mad bro."
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You can simply ignore this post. Or catch feelings.

It's up to you.

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70. "03.14.2018 - Game Winner vs Miami"
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https://twitter.com/Scott_Charlton/status/974140313781534720

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71. "Nope."
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72. "Zo trash bro. Sorry."
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73. "Just checking in."
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All of them

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74. "Both Lonzo and DeAaron are playing great this season"
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both have immensely improved, except for DeAaron's 3 point shot.

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75. "You funny"
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78. "I'm also right"
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both are having great seasons so far.

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79. "One is having a great season. The other is still overwhelmingly meh"
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81. "I wouldn't say DeAaron is still overwhelmingly meh"
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Like i said, he's having a great season too.

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76. "Lonzo still duckin that bump??"
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77. "He’s not even a consideration at this point."
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I got my eye on Dennis though.

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80. "He's got the Kings humming. "
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82. "Cuz he’s betterrrrrrrrrrr.... (c) Badu"
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83. "Mo Better makes it Mo Better"
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84. "Way better"
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85. "The view from Sacramento is lovely"
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86. "Fox getting his name in those books early "
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https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/status/1058176690361294849?s=21

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87. "... I'm just glad I've been on this bandwagon since college. "
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How a guy that fast and that long, a guy who put up a better ORtg than JOHN WALL at Kentucky, slid all the way down to NUMBER FIVE is absolutely insane.

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88. "RE: De'Aaron Better"
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https://tinyurl.com/y9srn8k8

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89. "It's true this season."
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90. "It's true since birth"
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93. "Not last season. "
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Ball was far superior on defense and his offensive numbers ticked up in the second half.

I get the agenda but the stats bore it out. You never did respond to my post up top breaking them down.

Ball was better last season, Fox is better now. It's all good.

  

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94. "No, he was better last season too. All you had to do was watch them..."
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and their skill sets and you could easily see the difference.

I was never going back and forth with whichever stats you or any other Laker superfan wanted to use to compare.

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95. "That's like the most fake news-iest argument ever."
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"It's true because I said so."

Sound familiar?

  

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97. "Is that what I wrote? I mean we can all re-read what I wrote."
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96. "Agreed"
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>and their skill sets and you could easily see the
>difference.
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>I was never going back and forth with whichever stats you or
>any other Laker superfan wanted to use to compare.

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98. "Well, that's the thing."
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You can use your metrics (watching games) or mine (stats). Either way, the metrics showed that Ball was a far better defender over Fox than Fox was a better offensive player over Ball.

You just seem to have this mental block when it comes to one side of the floor.

  

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99. "What metric shows you who has more value right today, Ball or Fox?"
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100. "Changing the subject? "
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I completely agree that Fox is better this season. I said Ball was better last season.

  

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101. "No. The subject has always been the same. He better."
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Y’all try to come in with whatever stat you can find.

And it has always been, he better.

But? He better.

And then? He better.

And now you’re agreeing saying he be better, but you want to argue.

Take your L and keep it moving.

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102. "Geez, how thickheaded are you."
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This silly circle shit is so lame. Ball was better last season, Fox is better right now. Don't see how that's such a big deal, other than your fragile ego.

You don't lose "internet points" by making up some lame "I said it, so it's true" grade school argument. You're sounding real butthurt right now, just like our president.

  

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103. "Lmao you goofy nigga, that’s 2nd Trump reference in 2 days. "
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You trying to get a Netflix late night talk show?

Nobody giving you points for saying some dumb shit I agreed with last year.

I didn’t give a fuck about Zo’s steal % last year, why would I now?

Better player in high school.

Better in college.

Better last year.

Better this year.

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104. "Right, because you sounding real Trump-ian"
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Eye test and stats: Ball was the superior man and weakside defender and it showed up in blocks, rebounds, +/-, DRtg.

You haven't said shit about Fox's defense and it's exposing you because you can't defend it (pun intended).

  

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105. "You sounding mad."
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I said better.

You talking about weakside blocks.

Lmao... who sounds ridiculous now?

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106. "And you're cherry picking."
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Answer this simple question: who's better on defense?


(Sidenote: it's hilarious how you're resorting to the tired OKS "you mad" argument. It's what people resort to when they don't have a leg to stand on. I honestly don't give a shit if Fox or Ball has a better career, but it's crystal clear you have a UK agenda, come hell or high water. My whole argument is based on evidence while you're sounding like a hurt 5th grader.)


  

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107. "Lol... but you are mad, hence name calling."
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Cherrypicking an argument? “But who had a better Defensive Rating last season?”

Lmao.... nigga stfu.

De’Aaron Better.

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108. "Just as I expected."
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You couldn't answer a very simple question because Fox was trash on the defensive end.

  

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91. "He's getting better every game"
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should've kept shooting in the second half.. not sure why he stopped. He was on fire



the weaknesses of this team are the bigs and rebounding.

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92. "the kid can ball"
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sacramento has two decent building blocks with him and bagley..they will find some way to fk it up

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109. "He is much better this season. In fact, quite good."
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Finally got to see the Kings, and I noticed him way more than anyone else on the team besides maybe WCS. Definitely taking over in a good way.

  

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110. "He might be elite by end of the season."
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111. "They will be below .500"
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112. "Lonzo will shoot below .400 for his career."
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Go cry.

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113. "u big mad or little mad?"
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114. "The only part that's unsettling is you driving new slang into the ground"
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Other than that, I'm gonna go back to talking about the rise of a future NBA star.

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116. "you don't need to be on a 'good' team to be elite"
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in fact, being on a "good" team tends to mask the deficiencies of certain players.

see: Donkeylips Green

  

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119. "how many players on sub .500 teams are considered "elite"?"
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ruling out previous playoff teams that have fallen off this season...

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115. "went to that Sac-Dubs game.. he was cooooking Curry lol"
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midrange pull up Jimbo is basically impossible to guard given his speed and quickness


All Star by next season




Bruh: https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1074486189586083840
Only a handful of players in the league who can do that




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117. "That’s why that he can’t shoot take was wild to me."
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His jumper isn’t Wall jumper or Rondo’s or Mudiay’s or any dude who comes in heaving bricks at the rim.

He’s got a touch.

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118. "I don't need Fox to be THIS good this season tho. Dammit the Kings' pick..."
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120. "He and Buddy a tough backcourt "
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paint the top red like D. Wade's lips - Conway

  

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121. "RE: He and Buddy a tough backcourt "
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Oh indeed. Their games mesh together so well too.

  

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122. "I'm thinking he can make a good run at one of these All-Star spots."
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Him or Murray.

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123. "Steph, Dame, Harden, CONLEY, Russ, Klay, Derozan...tough"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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124. "He's got a puncher's chance."
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125. "He's in the conversation!"
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For beer lovers: http://thebeertravelguide.com
For movie lovers: http://russellhainline.com

  

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126. "and that in itself is a win."
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cats were calling this dude trash before. I'm saying he and Marv gonna be Russ/Du-CANT 2.0

  

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128. "Of course he is."
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134. "lmao i see what you did there"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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127. "nah he really doesn't, in addition to the names above there's..."
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Booker
McCollum
Mitchell
Holiday
Lou Williams

he's not beating out any of those dudes

"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

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129. "He's got a better shot than most of those cats. You mad though. I dig it..."
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...

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130. "who? the first 3 aren't debatable and their chances are slim and none......"
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and that's not even counting your boy Murray who has a better shot on a first place team.

Basically your Kentucky guys are competing against each other. Booker has the worst team but he has the stats.

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131. "He has a better shot than Holiday, McCollum, Mitchell, ..."
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Williams, and I forget who else you wrote and Booker (cuz he’s been injured).

Not a better shot than Murray though, his squad leads the West.

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132. "he doesn't have a better shot than McCollum and Mitchell."
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"June 16th, 1971, Mama gave birth to a hell-raisin' heavenly son..."

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136. "Numbers better teams either comparable or better. ***shrugs*** "
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He better. You mad.

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133. "They all have the same shot.....zero"
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Too many guys.

MIP award could be in play for Fox though?

  

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135. "I dunno about that"
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>Booker
>McCollum
>Mitchell
>Holiday
>Lou Williams

Booker hasn't been healthy enough this season thus far
and the rest?

let's just say Fox has shown more

  

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137. "https://streamable.com/f45ko ... Point GOD with Bron chase down blocks "
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seems like he does this nightly


among pg's he's 3rd in blocks and 5th in assists




I'm calling it now. He's Westbrook without the dumb

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138. "Ridiculous...https://streamable.com/2scmi"
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https://streamable.com/2scmi

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139. "a Derrick Coleman block ..."
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One Hundred.

  

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140. "up 15 with a minute to go to "
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that motor


I love this kid. all mention of Lonzo in this post should be grounds for deportation.

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141. "LeBron would love De'Aaron."
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Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
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142. "RBO won"
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this season, Sacramento actually has a fun team again. Hield, Bags, Fox... and they got my dude Burks there for the rest of the season too.

  

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143. "Sac should of drafted LUKA btw"
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144. "Nah Bagley is the perfect compliment and running mate. "
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145. "absolutely not "
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that was a Kings fan hot take earlier this year


Bagley is a PERFECT fit for what this squad is trying to do


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146. "Yáll wild AF"
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