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Basaglia
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"Shannon: "Skilpf, the Cavfs won the trade cuz Jae Crowder do sthuff""


  

          



LMAO!!!!

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SKEEEEEEEEEEEUUUUP
Oct 29th 2017
1
Tristan started and played 19 minutes and had 1 point and no rebounds...
Oct 29th 2017
2
Fuckin with those witches.
Oct 29th 2017
3
that kardashian kurse is real
Oct 30th 2017
23
lolz. they miss the fuck out of kyrie.
Oct 29th 2017
4
they look so old and slow dawg.. lol.. Knicks gave em that work...
Oct 29th 2017
18
LeBron's greatest political chess move. dunderheads thinking you can rep...
Oct 30th 2017
22
When the hell is IT coming back??
Oct 29th 2017
5
To play the Wise Mushroom in the live action Mario Bros romcom?
Oct 29th 2017
6
All I know is he scores that rock.
Oct 29th 2017
10
      ah, yeah...when he has it.
Oct 29th 2017
12
IT is 5'7" with a bad hip, and prolly the worst defender in the league.
Oct 29th 2017
7
      what's really funny is Tatum won't be a "rookie" in the playoffs.
Oct 29th 2017
9
      He saved the day for the Celtics. But, he doesn't have to w/ Cavs
Oct 29th 2017
11
      if this is still the only goal? sure.
Oct 29th 2017
16
           not the only goal - but for now it is w/ a new team/cast
Oct 29th 2017
17
                tbh, i just don't think this team has the defense to compete for a title...
Oct 30th 2017
21
      He'll give them more than Rose.
Oct 29th 2017
13
      I keep waiting for the "Kyrie couldn't defend!" people...
Oct 29th 2017
14
           no they won't...cuz no one with eyes thought IT could defend
Oct 29th 2017
15
                LOL!
Oct 30th 2017
36
EARLY! (c) DJ Drama
Oct 29th 2017
8
"GOOF TROOP" <----- loser commentary
Oct 29th 2017
19
i smiled
Oct 30th 2017
20
you know the cavs look terrible when the knicks blow them out and their
Oct 30th 2017
24
Zingis becoming the player i don't want him to be.
Oct 30th 2017
26
      i'm glad he's being aggressive. He's looking to exploit every matchup
Oct 30th 2017
30
           nah, i'm playing. i knew he'd pop this year. that's why i picked him
Oct 30th 2017
32
                you been singing his praises on the low..i've peeped it lol.
Oct 30th 2017
33
exactly what the Lakers would have been if Kobe were traded to the Bulls
Oct 30th 2017
25
I ain't even a Cavs fan but you asking for massive crow
Oct 30th 2017
27
yeah, they're gonna Electric Slide into the Finals...
Oct 30th 2017
28
you party when it's your turn. Board rules.
Oct 30th 2017
29
nah that team is a collection of washed bodies.
Oct 30th 2017
31
what crow? cavs getting washed in the finals.
Oct 30th 2017
35
      ^^^^^^^
Nov 01st 2017
39
why lebron should be more concerned (theringer.com swipe)
Oct 30th 2017
34
oh don't worry... no one else in the East can trade for Boogie
Oct 30th 2017
37
      yep lol...
Oct 30th 2017
38
Bruh.. #WhereIsKyrie
Nov 01st 2017
40
Meanwhile, Kyrie has the best DEFRTG of any G playing 25+ minutes.
Nov 01st 2017
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      Brah, it;s like the Cavs are starting 5 Gandalfs w/o magic..
Nov 01st 2017
42
The Cavs are trash
Nov 01st 2017
43
they can play better but here's the real question
Nov 02nd 2017
47
another thing is...they had deficiencies on D last year...
Nov 02nd 2017
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      Their DRTG is nearly 3 points worse... but their ORTG is *7* points wors...
Nov 02nd 2017
51
and they'll still make it to the Finals
Nov 02nd 2017
49
Told y'all the Celtics won that trade..
Nov 02nd 2017
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RE: Told y'all the Celtics won that trade..
Nov 02nd 2017
45
bro...take a step back, lol
Nov 02nd 2017
46
yea things look bad. But after what - 2 weeks in October?
Nov 02nd 2017
48
ShaNastradamus the Gawd
Dec 22nd 2017
52
so much overreacting...you would have thought it was March, not October
Dec 22nd 2017
53
      Not here! Not in OKS?!
Dec 22nd 2017
54

BrooklynWHAT
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1. "SKEEEEEEEEEEEUUUUP"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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2. "Tristan started and played 19 minutes and had 1 point and no rebounds..."
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nice contract LeGM...

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3. "Fuckin with those witches."
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23. "that kardashian kurse is real"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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4. "lolz. they miss the fuck out of kyrie."
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whenever there's a 3 for 1 trade, the side getting the 3 typically loses. idk why ppl were trying to act like this was different.

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18. "they look so old and slow dawg.. lol.. Knicks gave em that work..."
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22. "LeBron's greatest political chess move. dunderheads thinking you can rep..."
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a GOAT (yes I said it) with... well, what they replaced it with

because hometown hero worship > critical thinking

I sound mad, but I'm less mad at LeBron as I am that trade and people drinking the Kool-Aid.

  

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5. "When the hell is IT coming back??"
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They need him.

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6. "To play the Wise Mushroom in the live action Mario Bros romcom? "
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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10. "All I know is he scores that rock."
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Basaglia
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12. "ah, yeah...when he has it. "
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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7. "IT is 5'7" with a bad hip, and prolly the worst defender in the league. "
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i don't think he's saving the day.

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9. "what's really funny is Tatum won't be a "rookie" in the playoffs. "
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this board won't survive the celts making the finals without hayward. i won't let it.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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11. "He saved the day for the Celtics. But, he doesn't have to w/ Cavs"
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He won't have to be Superman for the Cavs to make the Finals (like he had to be for the Celtics) - but he will have to be serviceable - and I imagine he'll be far more than just a serviceable starting PG come May.

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16. "if this is still the only goal? sure."
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>He won't have to be Superman for the Cavs to make the Finals

i thought the aim was higher.

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17. "not the only goal - but for now it is w/ a new team/cast "
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Once you reach the Finals - anything can happen (as it did in 2016).

I just think it's quite early to be writing off this team and implying that the only way they compete for a title is if IT "saves the day." If he can be just 75% of the MVP-caliber he was last year - that will make Kyrie's absence fairly negligible - especially once the new pieces (Crowder/Wade/Green/Rose) start to coalesce.

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21. "tbh, i just don't think this team has the defense to compete for a title..."
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you look back at those 10-14 miami heat teams. they were stellar
defensively when it counted. you had guys like bosh, battier,
chalmers, udonis and anthony. those dudes were extremely intelligent
and instinctive on that end, they knew exactly where they needed to
be and executed those schemes to perfection. and lebron was at the
height of his defensive powers.

i don't see a path for this team to that type of ceiling. rose, IT,
wade all minus defenders, not to mention korver and love. it's enough
to get them thru the east, we agree there. but we all know what's
waiting after that. ironically given the title of this thread,
crowder is really the only guy they've added who imo is going to help
them in that series. some of those other guys might get played off
the floor, just bc they can't guard anybody.

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13. "He'll give them more than Rose."
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>i don't think he's saving the day.

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14. "I keep waiting for the "Kyrie couldn't defend!" people..."
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... to see IT defend.

They're gonna be so mad, man.

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15. "no they won't...cuz no one with eyes thought IT could defend"
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36. "LOL!"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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8. "EARLY! (c) DJ Drama"
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19. ""GOOF TROOP" <----- loser commentary"
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20. "i smiled"
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24. "you know the cavs look terrible when the knicks blow them out and their"
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fans are quiet.

In any event thj got his head out of his behind and started driving the ball.

Knicks need to run.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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26. "Zingis becoming the player i don't want him to be. "
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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30. "i'm glad he's being aggressive. He's looking to exploit every matchup"
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And he figured out how to stay out of foul trouble.

Its still early, but he looks to be on that Dirk track.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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32. "nah, i'm playing. i knew he'd pop this year. that's why i picked him"
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33. "you been singing his praises on the low..i've peeped it lol."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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25. "exactly what the Lakers would have been if Kobe were traded to the Bulls"
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and before you scoff, remember... 2 titles post-Shaq

  

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27. "I ain't even a Cavs fan but you asking for massive crow"
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it's clear they don't have chemistry yet and their team Defense is SUPER TRASH. That can be changed over time.

Stop


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28. "yeah, they're gonna Electric Slide into the Finals..."
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everyone knows that, though.

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29. "you party when it's your turn. Board rules. "
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31. "nah that team is a collection of washed bodies."
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Rose/Wade/JR...uh uh.

When IT gets back they'll rely on the above dudes less, which will be a good thing.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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35. "what crow? cavs getting washed in the finals."
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whether they play gsw, houston or okc.
or san antonio

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39. "^^^^^^^"
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34. "why lebron should be more concerned (theringer.com swipe)"
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Why LeBron Should Be More Concerned About the Cavs
It may be early, but the issues rising to the surface in Cleveland’s recent three-game skid could prove costly as the season rolls on

BY KEVIN O'CONNOR OCT 30, 2017, 9:28AM EDT

It was easy to get excited about the Cavaliers this season. They brought in a band of big-name players to replace Kyrie Irving, including Dwyane Wade, Jae Crowder, Derrick Rose, Jeff Green, and Isaiah Thomas. But the Cavs dropped their third straight game Sunday, losing 114-95 to the Knicks. They’re 3-4 on the season, with the NBA’s ninth-worst net rating. Their bad start doesn’t spell total doom, but the Cavaliers have inherent issues that will lead to another NBA Finals ouster, or possibly even an earlier demise. Let’s look at the three biggest questions facing what was supposed to be the best team in the East yet again this season.

Did the Defense Get Worse?
Turns out getting older and slower doesn’t make you better, especially on the defensive end. The Cavs are now allowing 109.8 points per 100 possessions, which ranks 27th in the league (worse than the Kings and Bulls). Four players have also scored 30 points or more against the Cavaliers this season, including Kristaps Porzingis (32) and Tim Hardaway Jr. (34); no other team has allowed more than three, per Basketball-Reference.

In addition to some aging, potentially declining players on the roster, the same communication and effort problems that plagued their defense last season remain. “We’re just not talking. We’re not getting back in transition D. We’re not pointing,” Kevin Love said Sunday. Cleveland opponents are getting transition points or early offense with ease, because the team isn’t getting back into defensive stances quick enough. Here’s Tristan Thompson losing track of Porzingis:

http://tinyurl.com/yc2nurmr

Here’s Hardaway racing by J.R. Smith, and Courtney Lee out-sprinting both LeBron James and Kyle Korver:

http://tinyurl.com/yatpapjp

“It takes trust. It takes communication. It just takes a willingness to do it,” Wade said Sunday. “We have to all get better at all those things, and that’s the only way we’re gonna win ballgames.” It has been only seven games, but you could already assemble a compilation of Cleveland transition defense lowlights. It’s not just the half court, either. Watch how Cleveland’s defense fails to keep a man on Porzingis flashing out to the arc for a wide-open 3-pointer:

http://tinyurl.com/y7dtjlj3

Love went on to say the Cavs’ communication issues can be corrected with better effort, but that’s not entirely true. The roster is fundamentally flawed. Despite the additions of Crowder and Green, they still have too many weak spots on defense. Wade and Rose haven’t played consistently competitive defense for multiple seasons. Korver moves his legs as quickly as he can, but it’s all for naught (even rookie Frank Ntilikina drove by him with ease Sunday). Smith’s spunk wore off last season. Thompson looks complacent (on Sunday, he finished with zero boards in 19 minutes). LeBron hasn’t played regular-season defense in years, and it’s as if the rest of the roster follows his example.

Veterans Jose Calderon (36 years old) and Channing Frye (34) aren’t providing any answers, either. Neither are rookies Cedi Osman and Ante Zizic. The Little Guy, Isaiah Thomas, certainly won’t help their defensive issues, whenever he ends up returning to the floor. The bottom line is that Cleveland is old, and plays like it. Even if the Cavs begin giving effort, it’s hard to imagine that a backcourt featuring Wade, Rose, and Smith will be able to sustain that energy over a 48-minute game.

The Cavaliers need Green and Crowder to be elite defenders, especially with Giannis Antetokounmpo, John Wall, Kyrie Irving, and DeMar DeRozan blocking their path to another Finals. But they aren’t getting high-level defense from either new addition now, and they won’t going forward because neither player has that in him. In Boston, Brad Stevens constantly had to motivate Green to give consistent effort, and it came only in spurts. Crowder’s defense hasn’t been the same ever since a sprained MCL in 2015. He’s also had multiple sprained ankles over the 2015-16 and 2016-17 seasons that sapped his lateral quickness. He’s still effective against forwards, but he’s not the same player against most guards and quicker wings.

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Crowder is the type of player who does better when he receives more minutes, but he’s not getting them from Tyronn Lue. Crowder has played fewer than 22 minutes four times in seven games with Cleveland, after playing fewer than 22 minutes only twice in 169 games over the past two seasons and playoffs with the Celtics.

Can Tyronn Lue Build an Offense With His New Options?
Crowder isn’t the only one struggling to adjust to a different role. Rose, Wade, Thompson, Shumpert, and Green are all playing a career-low minutes on a per-game basis. Love, Smith, and Korver are seeing near-career lows. Most of these players have found success in systems that were tailored to their strengths. But they’re now being asked to serve as ancillary options for Lue, whose lack of creativity in optimizing his other options in half-court sets isn’t helping. There’s a lot of “give the ball to LeBron and GTFO of the way,” which has made it tough for anyone else to get into a rhythm.

The Cavs are also not moving the ball as well as they did last season, partially because their spacing is suffocated by the lack of complementary playmakers. Irving is missed; so is his replacement. Getting Isaiah back will help, if he’s at least 80 percent of what he was last season and if he stays healthy (two big ifs). But he alone won’t fix Cleveland’s problems. The Cavaliers are still launching 3s (36.8 percent of their attempts are triples), but they just aren’t making as many (34.6 percent, compared with 38.4 last season). We’re working with extremely small samples, but it’s conceivable that this number will hold. They lost one of the NBA’s elite shooters in Irving and replaced him (for now, at least) with Rose (career 29.8 percent from 3) and Wade (28.7). Crowder will also need to show he can hit open 3s. He shot 43 percent from 3 on 224 attempts from last October until February, but over the rest of his career, including the playoffs, he shot 32.8 percent on 1,257 triples. It’s even more crucial that Smith find his 40-plus percent 3-point stroke and LeBron maintain his early-season hot streak (40.7 percent). Their team needs spacing to shine offensively.

As a result, it’s difficult to come up with a five-man lineup that makes sense. When the Cavs’ shooting-heavy lineups featuring Frye and Korver are on the court, they’ll struggle to defend. When their defensive-focused lineups featuring Thompson are out there, they struggle to score and space the floor. There are fewer driving lanes, which means worse ball movement. Without the ball flying around, there are fewer open shots. With fewer open shots, there are fewer makes. And with fewer makes, the opponent is able to force more transition offense down Cleveland’s throat.

The best five-man lineup for Cleveland would feature Love at center, LeBron and Crowder at forward, and Thomas and Smith in the backcourt. Smith will need to get back on track shooting the 3. Thomas will need to get healthy. So will Love, after his knee got dinged up this preseason. If the Cavaliers get a hot-shooting Crowder who plays with energy on defense, that lineup will be a force to be reckoned with. But the same isn’t true for other lineups. They still lack anyone who can stop elite perimeter scorers. Even if they get through the East, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson will be there waiting; or James Harden and Chris Paul; or Russell Westbrook, Carmelo Anthony, and Paul George; or Kawhi Leonard.

Is There a Trade to Be Made?
Eric Bledsoe is available since the Suns banished him following his unfortunate trip to the hair salon. Bledsoe’s name has come up before in Cleveland, when the Cavs were shopping Irving. Phoenix is reportedly looking to pair Tyson Chandler’s big contract (approximately $26.6 million over this season and next) with Bledsoe to get a deal done. If the Suns are really desperate, maybe they’d take Thompson, Frye, and a future Cavaliers first-rounder. Bledsoe, a Rich Paul client with a connection to LeBron, could help solve Cleveland’s two-way issues. He could return to being the ferocious bulldog defender he once was as a young player, while also serving as a secondary playmaker alongside LeBron. It’s not hard to come up with better deals for the Suns, but they don’t have any leverage now.

Love could find himself back on the trade block. His defense has been abysmal early on. He is sluggish and lacks mobility on the perimeter and the pick-and-roll. You have to wonder if his knee is bothering him more than we know. Love had left knee surgery last season, exited a game this preseason after a left-knee injury, then fell to the ground and for a moment looked seriously injured Saturday against the Pelicans. I am skeptical about Love’s trade value anyway and wonder how much the Cavaliers could even get in return if they did shop him. Love is 29 and will be an unrestricted free agent in 2019. He hasn’t proved he can be the same player he was in Minnesota. Would a team cough up something that moves the needle for the Cavs?

It’s not as if the Nets’ unprotected 2018 first-round pick has significant value right now. Brooklyn has the same record as Cleveland and is playing tremendously gritty basketball. The Nets will be bad, but not bottom-feeders when tanking teams like the Mavericks, Hawks, and Bulls occupy the league’s basement. There isn’t even a superstar on the market that Cleveland would trade that pick for anyway, unless it flipped the panic switch and tossed it in a trade for Bledsoe. That wouldn’t be bright. The Cavs should take the long view.

That’s exactly what LeBron is doing, at least when it comes to this season. “What month is it again, October? I’m not about to go crazy over it right now. It’s too long of a season,” LeBron said Sunday. “I’ve been a part of this way too many times. I’m the wrong guy to ask. I’m too positive right now.” It’s easy to understand why LeBron isn’t panicking. It’s not even Halloween yet. He’s been on teams that have had slow starts and fired head coaches midseason and still made the NBA Finals. After all, he’s won the East seven straight years, while playing on two different teams.

But if LeBron reviews his roster through the same lens that an executive would, he’d have plenty of reason for concern. The Cavs’ personnel have fundamental issues, and their head coach is one of the least innovative minds in the league. These problems aren’t going away unless they do something about it before it’s too late.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/10/30/16569932/nba-lebron-cavaliers-panic

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37. "oh don't worry... no one else in the East can trade for Boogie"
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38. "yep lol..."
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>but the Cavs will magically get him for a 2 for $5 Whooper
>Groupon and a half a carton of stale newports...

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40. "Bruh.. #WhereIsKyrie"
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These old mofos can't defend..

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41. "Meanwhile, Kyrie has the best DEFRTG of any G playing 25+ minutes."
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http://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=DEF_RATING&dir=-1&CF=MIN*GE*25&Season=2017-18&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PlayerPosition=G

DEFRTG currently over 12 points better than his career-best to date. Double digit growth on steal rate too.

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42. "Brah, it;s like the Cavs are starting 5 Gandalfs w/o magic.."
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43. "The Cavs are trash"
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47. "they can play better but here's the real question"
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Are the problems on D more about effort/chemistry or age? Also, right now they can't defend the perimeter and they're playing a small lineup so no rim protection.. Something has to give..

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50. "another thing is...they had deficiencies on D last year..."
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I remember a post similar to this one, joking on their defensive woes...thing is, they were BOMBING threes last year. Some of that is missing Kyrie's jumpshooting, but they aren't stroking the three like they were. Giving up mad threes + can't hit any threes = Ls

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51. "Their DRTG is nearly 3 points worse... but their ORTG is *7* points wors..."
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This, so far, is a very very different team than any team Bron has ever played with in terms of offensive/defensive efficiency margin. His rookie year, that ORTG/DRTG differential came in at -2.8. Right now, they're sitting at -7. That is... bad. And needs immediate correction.

And with Tristan out for a month, that defensive rating isn't remotely going to get better.

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49. "and they'll still make it to the Finals"
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44. "Told y'all the Celtics won that trade.."
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Y'all acted like the Cavs won the trade and coast to the finals. Nah, they losing to teams like the Nets with four straight losses. We can't defend the pick and roll at all. We some shit right now and it shows on the court.

Bron's last season in Cleveland, according to sources, is not going well thus far. Remember he doesn't owe anyone shit so if he tanks his way out of Cleveland and signs with Golden State don't say nothing*.

*Don't say nothing means I'm going to be the biggest hypocrite in OKS history and shame the ever loving fuck out of him if he joins another contender but y'all need to leave Bron alone for it.

  

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45. "RE: Told y'all the Celtics won that trade.."
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>Bron's last season in Cleveland, according to sources, is not
>going well thus far. Remember he doesn't owe anyone shit so if
>he tanks his way out of Cleveland and signs with Golden State
>don't say nothing*.
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>*Don't say nothing means I'm going to be the biggest hypocrite
>in OKS history and shame the ever loving fuck out of him if he
>joins another contender but y'all need to leave Bron alone for
>it.

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46. "bro...take a step back, lol"
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48. "yea things look bad. But after what - 2 weeks in October?"
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the #HotTakery is on fire.

I think a number of things are true:

(1) The Cavs suck (right now)
(2) Their defense will be a liability all season
(3) They will still make the Finals

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52. "ShaNastradamus the Gawd"
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C's & Cavs have basically the same record and IT ain't even seen a touch yet.

Sharpe foresight.

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53. "so much overreacting...you would have thought it was March, not October"
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54. "Not here! Not in OKS?!"
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