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" Yuli Gurriel won't be suspended for any World Series games.. (ESPN swip..."


  

          

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21197888/houston-astros-first-baseman-yuli-gurriel-suspended-world-series-games-following-gesture-comments-los-angeles-dodgers-pitcher-yu-darvish

Scott Lauber
ESPN Staff Writer

HOUSTON -- Astros first baseman Yuli Gurriel will be suspended for five games -- but none during the World Series -- for racially insensitive behavior directed at Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Yu Darvish, baseball commissioner Rob Manfred said Saturday.

Gurriel disrupted the World Series here Friday night when he used his fingers to slant his eyes in a gesture that is offensive to people of Asian descent and mouthed a derogatory word in Spanish after hitting a home run against Darvish and returning to the Astros' dugout in the second inning of Game 3.

Manfred met Saturday with Gurriel and said the 33-year-old rookie, a native of Cuba, "expressed remorse." He also noted Darvish's desire to "move forward" from the ugly incident. But Manfred said he also couldn't allow Gurriel's actions to go unpunished, leaving him to determine only the length of the punishment and when to enforce it.

In deciding to wait until the beginning of next season, Manfred explained he wanted to make sure Gurriel's penalty included docking his $12 million salary -- he will lose $322,581. He also didn't want to punish the rest of the Astros players for the behavior of one individual.

"There is no question that it is a difficult decision as to when the appropriate timing was," Manfred said. "Obviously World Series games are different than regular-season games, and I used my best judgment as to where the appropriate disciplinary level fell. I understand that people may have different views. But it was my best judgment that this timing was appropriate."

Another part of Manfred's calculus involved trying to make sure Gurriel didn't exercise his right through the players' union to appeal his suspension. The union announced in a statement that it will not appeal.

In a separate statement, Gurriel described his actions as "indefensible."

"I sincerely apologize to everyone that I offended with my actions," Gurriel said. "I deeply regret it."

As part of the punishment, MLB will require him to undergo "sensitivity training" in the offseason.

Astros general manager Jeff Luhnow released a statement in which he said the team was "surprised and disappointed by the behavior displayed by Yuli Gurriel" and announced the club will donate the first baseman's lost salary to a charity that supports diversity efforts. But Gurriel also remained in the Astros' Game 4 lineup Saturday night, playing first base and batting fifth. Houston leads the best-of-seven series, 2-1.

Dodgers manager Dave Roberts, who's mother is Japanese, lauded Darvish's handling of the situation.

"The way that Yu responded I think on camera, through social media, I completely commend him, support him, echo his thoughts that we need to learn from this. It's obviously not acceptable," Roberts said.

Speaking through an interpreter after the game Friday night, Gurriel said he made the gesture because he hasn't had success in the past against Japanese pitchers. He also explained that both the gesture and the word -- "chinito," loosely translated as "little Chinese boy" -- are commonly used in Cuba, although he admitted he realized they are considered offensive in many places, including Darvish's native Japan. Gurriel played one season in Japan in 2014.

Based on Saturday's meeting, Manfred said he believes Gurriel understands the meaning behind his actions.

"He maintains that he did not intend to be offensive, but he understands that he was. And that's what's important," Manfred said. "I think that we all need continuing reminders and education in this area as to what's appropriate and not appropriate, and I do feel like is an important part of the entire package."

Manfred declined to discuss specifics of his conversation with the players' union other than to say it was "supportive of the general proposition that this type of behavior was not appropriate in our game."

MLB went beyond its precedent for penalties for similar behavior.

In 2012, then-Toronto Blue Jays infielder Yunel Escobar received a three-game suspension for wearing eye-black with a homophobic slur written in Spanish. Earlier this season, Blue Jays center fielder Kevin Pillar and Oakland Athletics outfielder Matt Joyce were each suspended two games without pay for yelling an anti-gay slur, Pillar at an Atlanta Braves pitcher and Joyce at a fan.

"I think that the two , that was kind of the standard that had evolved over three of four incidents was inadequate to deal with the particulars of this situation," Manfred said, "and I will continue to deal with each situation on its own merits."

  

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This LA Times article adds some context to the racial dynamics (swipe)
Oct 28th 2017
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im sorry growing up where i grew up i equated chinito
Oct 28th 2017
3
Because you are Asian doesn't mean you SHOULD be offended
Oct 29th 2017
5
Wait, when Spanish people call other cultures by nicknames
Oct 29th 2017
12
lol ikr
Oct 29th 2017
16
chinito is whatever...heard it used with love and disdain both
Oct 29th 2017
15
      yeah that took it too far for sure, the gesture was the real dipshit par...
Nov 03rd 2017
45
Fuckin stupid
Oct 28th 2017
2
they're not gonna suspend him in the middle of the world series
Oct 29th 2017
7
Yeah. The half measure doesn't seem just.
Oct 29th 2017
8
      If it was one WS game and he appeals, then what?
Oct 29th 2017
9
           Then last night of course he gets a huge ovation from the Houston crowd
Oct 29th 2017
11
           The point about the appeal is a good one.
Oct 29th 2017
13
           he and the team should have agreed to bench him for at least one game
Oct 29th 2017
19
           Doesn’t matter if he appealed the suspension if it was immediate
Oct 29th 2017
27
                It does make them look weak
Oct 30th 2017
29
                     it'd be funny if he or another player did it again this WS
Nov 01st 2017
32
                          meh i think you're stretching it to an extreme
Nov 03rd 2017
44
                               Manfred opened the door to that, tho.
Nov 04th 2017
49
i'm both pissed he didn't get something more immediate
Oct 28th 2017
4
You think so?
Oct 29th 2017
10
former astro bud norris and current astro brian mccann
Oct 29th 2017
18
Because he's a POC who made a (obscene) gesture towards another
Oct 29th 2017
17
they should suspend his hair
Oct 29th 2017
6
Bishop Don Magic Kellogg's
Oct 29th 2017
14
You can literally get away with anything if you do it to Asian people.
Oct 29th 2017
20
when i was in middle school we had this convience store right
Oct 29th 2017
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      Yeah, St. Louis is the same way about Chinese food shops.
Oct 29th 2017
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           I heard it so often I didn't know it's a slur.
Nov 03rd 2017
41
not banning him for WS games is almost as offensive
Oct 29th 2017
22
Because the offender ain't White.
Oct 29th 2017
23
Manfred stands for nothing. well, money I guess.
Oct 29th 2017
24
...aaaannnd now they roll out Bush Sr for the ceremonial pitch
Oct 29th 2017
25
Enron guys were in Fiji I think
Oct 30th 2017
28
hopefully this sets up Yu getting another shot game 7
Oct 30th 2017
30
Yuli got the last laugh.
Nov 01st 2017
31
that's a weird way to frame this
Nov 02nd 2017
34
Yay for the racist?
Nov 02nd 2017
35
      My favorite racists are the laughing ones.
Nov 02nd 2017
37
           especially the "last" laughing ones
Nov 02nd 2017
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                I like racists that don't laugh 3rd
Nov 02nd 2017
40
im sure the dodgers would love a do over on that.
Nov 02nd 2017
33
lol
Nov 02nd 2017
38
Ohhh, he got a shot all right
Nov 03rd 2017
42
Was everyone who rooted against Gurriel rooting against Floyd?
Nov 02nd 2017
36
weighing in real quick
Nov 03rd 2017
43
one thing I didn't see mentioned (tbf I didn't read too much about it)
Nov 03rd 2017
46
Yeah I didn't even know he was part Persian until recently
Nov 03rd 2017
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      RE: Yeah I didn't even know he was part Persian until recently
Nov 03rd 2017
48
It's light hearted and stupid to a group of non asians LOL
Nov 05th 2017
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obsidianchrysalis
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1. "This LA Times article adds some context to the racial dynamics (swipe)"
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Some look askew at Yuli Gurriel's dugout squint

Dylan Hernandez

Yuuli Gurriel blasted a Yu Darvish fastball into the left-field stands at Minute Maid Park and social media went into a frenzy.

Not because of the home run, but because of what he did when he returned to the Houston Astros’ bench.

MLB’s international feed caught Gurriel pulling back the corner of his eyes while mouthing the word “chinito,” which translates to something along the lines of “little Chinese boy.” Darvish is from Japan.

My initial reaction: OK, that’s kind of silly, but why is everyone so upset?

Before we go any further, I should probably let you know about my background. My father was born in El Salvador and my mother in Japan. I was born in Los Angeles. So if you have glanced at my picture in these pages and wondered why I have such a strange-looking face, well, there’s your answer.

I was raised by a stay-at-home mother who spoke to my brother and me in her native language. Through middle school, I attended a Saturday Japanese school that was designed for Japanese children who were in the United States for a few years because their parents were here on temporary work assignments. I can speak Japanese, I can read it, and I can still kind of write it.

I spent my childhood criss-crossing cultures, switching languages and identities according to the environment I was in at a particular moment.

That included Sundays in Pomona, where my father drove my brother and me to play soccer with Spanish-speaking kids. There, we were “los chinitos.” I wasn’t offended. My brother wasn’t offended. This was a term of endearment.

I still hear the term. My wife was born in Mexico and came to the United States when she was 6. Every now and then, someone in her family will refer to me as “el chino.”

Still, no offense taken.

I’m sure some members of the Asian American community will say that is because I’m not completely Asian, but I don’t think that’s the case.

There’s a significant part of me that identifies as Japanese.

Really, it’s the context. This might be a hard concept to grasp for anyone who is monocultural or monolingual, but believe me when I tell you racial terms aren’t said with the same level of maliciousness in Spanish as they are in English. Even racist-looking gestures, like the one Guerriel made, aren’t made with the same level of vitriol. Not close.

Of course, just because something is done playfully doesn’t necessarily make it OK. Race- and ethnic-based humor typically demonstrates ignorance, as was the case here with Gurriel, and Latin cultures could use less of that. At the same time, it’s hard for me to be offended by words or actions that weren’t intended to be mean-spirited. Remember when Yasiel Puig and Hanley Ramirez used to feed Juan Uribe bananas in the Dodgers dugout?

I’m not naive to think there isn’t racism in Latin America, particularly toward indigenous people. But it would be misguided to view anything race-related from another culture through an American perspective. This country’s history of race relations is particularly ugly.

If you direct a racial slur or make a racist gesture toward an Asian American person, the words carry the weight of the past, everything from the Chinese Exclusion Act to the internment of Japanese Americans in World War II. Those of us who are ethnic minorities are often sensitive to racially insensitive language because history tells us they are sometimes precursors to legislation intended to disenfranchise people who look like us.

There’s a difference between Gurriel doing and saying something stupid and someone using language representing a system designed to oppress certain groups of people.

The Cuban-born Gurriel played in Japan in 2014. He was predictably apologetic after the game.

“In no moment did I intend to make an offensive gesture toward them,” he said. “On the contrary, I’ve always had a lot of respect for them.”

What happened?

“What happened was that I was commenting how I hadn’t had much luck with Darvish,” he said in Spanish. “I said I thought maybe they saw me as they see themselves and I wanted to see if they would throw me a pitch like that.”

In other words, a fastball.

As for his use of the word “chinito,” Gurriel explained, “It’s because in Cuba and in various places, you don’t say Japanese, you call all Asians ‘chinitos.’”

He apologized for that too.

“I was in Japan and I know they are offended by that,” he said.

Asked if he wanted to speak to Darvish, Gurriel replied, “Sure, yes. I’ve never had anything against Darvish. On the contrary, he’s always been one of the best pitchers. Like I said, I had never had luck against him. If he was offended, I ask for his forgiveness. That wasn’t my intention.”

Equally as predictable was that Darvish wasn’t offended either.

“I saw it, but for me personally it doesn’t really bother me,” he said in Japanese.

Asked if he was upset, Darvish deadpanned, “I’m very, very angry.”

He laughed and added, “No.”

He acknowledged thinking the Astros could have an image problem, as they are certain to have a decent number of fans with Asian backgrounds.

“As citizens of the world, if we can learn from this and take a step forward, I think this could be a good thing,” he said.

Commissioner Rob Manfred is scheduled to speak with Gurriel on Saturday, leading to speculation the Astros’ first baseman could be disciplined. It feels unnecessary. Context matters. Intentions do too. As Darvish said, let this be a lesson learned. Gurriel sounded and looked sincere when he apologized. The guess here is that if he is told to stop acting like an idiot, he will.

  

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3. "im sorry growing up where i grew up i equated chinito "
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the same as bolio, ma**ate, huero all those

and none of that was good

  

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Heinz
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5. "Because you are Asian doesn't mean you SHOULD be offended"
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But being Asian and you weren't offended doesn't mean it wasn't. Cool "el chino" or whatever the term is commonly said in Cuba, I can bet good money that if wasn't made up to be nice LOL it's just a "fun" term because it's commonly used, pretty sure it was always meant in a negative way otherwise they would just call them Asian (not even to be politically correct).

That being said....Saying "el chino" with the fucking eye gesture? Yeah. Go fuck yourself.
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12. "Wait, when Spanish people call other cultures by nicknames"
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It’s not meant in a negative way?

Did I read that right?

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16. "lol ikr"
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sorry doenst work like that

  

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15. "chinito is whatever...heard it used with love and disdain both"
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but doing the mock slanted eyes is racist anywhere you go.

“In no moment did I intend to make an offensive gesture toward them,” Gurriel said.

yeah...bullshit. embarrassing for Houston to show him love, too, with as many Asians live there.

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45. "yeah that took it too far for sure, the gesture was the real dipshit par..."
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it's funny how those terms rely a lot on intonation, like anyone who is darker than mila kunis can get an affectionate "negrito" sobriquet in latin america but then some asshole (cough, luis suarez, cough) uses it as a slur, you definitely know it.

i wish there would be a little bit of actualization on that front but the reality is that there isn't enough exposure to other cultures in many of these places to care.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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2. "Fuckin stupid"
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Either do it or don’t. This is some grade a cop out.

Im madder at this than a no suspension call.

And yea there’s something lost in translation, but that cannot excuse it because he’s in the US. And not on some “‘Merica” bald eagle shit, but on some I grew up here and one of the ways kids would try to bully me as a young Asian American was to do that stupid slant eye gesture...I don’t care if Yu himself and Jeremy lin the god excused it.

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7. "they're not gonna suspend him in the middle of the world series"
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Mar-A-Lago delenda est

  

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8. "Yeah. The half measure doesn't seem just."
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If they didn't want to suspend him in the middle of the WS, fine. Offer a giant fine.

But if they wanted to suspend him, they should have suspended him for Game 5 and left it at that. The way the punishment is now, it looks like the punishment is a token one, just made to appease folks who are offended by racist attitudes and actions.

I shouldn't be saying this, but I wonder if the punishment would have been more stern if the offended group weren't Asian. I don't think people throughout the States are familiar enough with the racial dynamics of mainstream culture and Asian Americans to know the harm caused my Gurriel's actions.

  

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9. "If it was one WS game and he appeals, then what?"
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Would the appeal have even been finalized before the season ended? If not then I get it.

However Manfred mentioning nit wanting to punish the other astros players is the dumbest thing I've ever heard

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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11. "Then last night of course he gets a huge ovation from the Houston crowd"
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13. "The point about the appeal is a good one. "
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I remember reading that Manfield thought it was important to get Gurriel to accept the suspension without appealing the decision.

Maybe that's the reason that the punishment turned out like it did. If he's genuinely shaken by his actions, which it seemed he is, and he's not sitting for the World Series, it makes accepting the punishment easier.

Could they could have reached a similar agreement here, it's possible. Financially, it would have cost him less money to sit now rather than the first 5 games of next season. I don't know what the timeline MLB uses for suspensions but if Gurriel did appeal, Manfield could have expedited the regular season process and ruled by Game 5.

  

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19. "he and the team should have agreed to bench him for at least one game"
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and then let manfred do what he needed to do.

  

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27. "Doesn’t matter if he appealed the suspension if it was immediate"
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It makes them look weak by waiting until next season.

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29. "It does make them look weak"
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But they wouldn't have suspended him for 5 WS games.

It woulda been one game, appealed and probably enforced next season anyway.

Well that's what I'm assuming, the time line would be.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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32. "it'd be funny if he or another player did it again this WS"
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because MLB is basically ruling that everyone is immune to suspension during the current World Series. what's Manfred going to do, suspend him for the same thing he didn't think was warranted two days ago? he'd look dumb as shit either way.

all sorts of bad precedent for the league and juicy fodder for MLBPA lawyers in the future.

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44. "meh i think you're stretching it to an extreme"
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also being suspended five games without pay is not something most guys are checking for. he was dumb enough to aloofly make this gesture, most guys are not. it isn't like he was getting something out of it, he as just being a dumbass.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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49. "Manfred opened the door to that, tho."
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when the commish says he won't suspend a player in the WS because it hurts their team...well, what are the parameters to that?

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4. "i'm both pissed he didn't get something more immediate"
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and certain if this involved disparaging Black people the punishment would be even less severe to non-existent

it's a cold, cold world

also, I knew casual racism against black (and in his case blackish) people was a thing in Japan...I didn't know casual racism against Asians was a thing in Cuba.


(that said, he's solved our huge problem at 1st base so, yay everything else he did.)

  

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10. "You think so?"
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>and certain if this involved disparaging Black people the
>punishment would be even less severe to non-existent
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I think because there are more black players in the mlb and the US’s history of racism against black and latino folks, the punishment would’ve been swifter and harsher.

I mean what’s an equivalent ? Again because of history it’s hard to imagine a similar situation that isn’t escalated?

A player makes a monkey gesture or throws a banana peel?

Maybe he does some wide nose or big lips gesture? Instant suspension and even bigger media outcry



>it's a cold, cold world
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>also, I knew casual racism against black (and in his case
>blackish) people was a thing in Japan...I didn't know casual
>racism against Asians was a thing in Cuba.
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>(that said, he's solved our huge problem at 1st base so, yay
>everything else he did.)

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18. "former astro bud norris and current astro brian mccann"
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have said extremely fucked up things tone policing players for basically not being white/american/baseball enough.

puig's treated like shit for just being young and black.

you can't tell me curt schilling just started being a racist tool over this past decade.

you can't convince me the n word or slurs against latinos never been uttered in the clubhouse or the dugout.

and these are players and managers...we don't even have to get into ownership/fanbase shit like the braves/indians and not believing adam jones.

i agree with you about the gestures but we've internalized these stereotypes way past big lips and monkeys. what's happening with yuli is a reflection of an immigrant not yet knowing the unwritten rules of being racist against another immigrant.

  

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17. "Because he's a POC who made a (obscene) gesture towards another"
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POC, and is from a country where complaining about it could get a person thrown in jail. Apparently, only White offenders are worthy of harsher punishment.


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6. "they should suspend his hair"
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dude looks like a pimped-out rooster

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14. "Bishop Don Magic Kellogg's"
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20. "You can literally get away with anything if you do it to Asian people. "
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This is some bullshit. He should be sat down for the rest of the World Series.

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21. "when i was in middle school we had this convience store right "
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by the school

they had the best fucking candy, bulk sour punch/straws every kind of sour candy you could want



annnnnyways


everyone at school (my school was 60-70% latino) called it the "chin*" store


i had no idea that even was referring to the fact that it was ran by Asians, it really never occured to me what i was saying until the day i mentioned it to my mom


she was like THE WHATTT STORE????????

my mom has never come that close to slapping the fuck out of me


  

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26. "Yeah, St. Louis is the same way about Chinese food shops."
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St. Louis has hole-in-the-wall Chinese food restaurants that are called Chop Suey restaurants. But some people also called those shops by a similar but not as offensive term against Asian Americans.

  

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41. "I heard it so often I didn't know it's a slur."
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I didn't know it referred to ppl - I only heard it in reference to those restaurants.

fuck you.

  

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22. "not banning him for WS games is almost as offensive"
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"we think it's wrong, but we don't want to take a strong stand against explicit racism"

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23. "Because the offender ain't White."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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24. "Manfred stands for nothing. well, money I guess."
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"I felt it was unfair to punish the other 24 players on the Astros' roster." (c) Manfred

um, that's exactly why suspensions are issued, moron. that's why getting suspended is a selfish action, because it punishes the team as much as the player.

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25. "...aaaannnd now they roll out Bush Sr for the ceremonial pitch"
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Stay classy Astros

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28. "Enron guys were in Fiji I think "
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30. "hopefully this sets up Yu getting another shot game 7"
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31. "Yuli got the last laugh. "
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34. "that's a weird way to frame this"
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35. "Yay for the racist?"
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37. "My favorite racists are the laughing ones."
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39. "especially the "last" laughing ones"
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40. "I like racists that don't laugh 3rd"
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33. "im sure the dodgers would love a do over on that."
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38. "lol"
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42. "Ohhh, he got a shot all right"
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36. "Was everyone who rooted against Gurriel rooting against Floyd?"
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43. "weighing in real quick"
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I think a fine was more appropriate than a suspension but the fine should have been the maximum allowed under MLB's CBA.

If they were going to suspend him, *one* World Series game weighs a fuck of a lot more than five games in April. So, I think the decision was inappropriate, there should have either been just a fine and obligations or a one-game suspension in the WS.

In terms of what he did, I don't think it was malicious or intended to offend every Asian on earth or something, but what it was juvenile as fuck, insensitive and ignorant. Now having spent a lot of time in Latin America I can tell you "Chinito" is generally just a vague, inappropriate and aloof way to refer to any Asian. The eye-slant thing reminds me of something the high schoolers and college kids at my local bball court in Medallo would do, making fun of accents and shit like that. I don't want to generalize too much but yeah you definitely see it and hear it, it's ostensibly light-hearted and stupid but then you put it in front of millions of people in a diverse setting and it gets pretty horrible.

As far as how the series shook out, well I was bummed for Yu Darvish because he seems like a thoughtful, intelligent person and at his best he is a helluva pitcher.

I did, however, take a little joy in Yuli going yizzzzzzzard the following game if only because it gave me a bit of nostalgia to the way Shane Victorino tortured the Dodgers' fans nearly a decade ago. Strangely I don't hate the Dodgers and much less their two Japanese players (both good pitchers and good guys), but I hate their fans with a passion.

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46. "one thing I didn't see mentioned (tbf I didn't read too much about it)"
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is his mixed heritage making Gurriel's gesture even more effed up. Mixed-race people in Japan have, historically, had a very tough time in a society that is still one of the most closed off of major developed countries. It's getting a little easier these days, with more and more "ha-fu", aka half Japanese/half other ethnicity, used in ads and generaly being seen as "cool (which is somewhat objectifying, but counts as progress I guess). But still it still generally sucks to live in Japan and have mixed-heritage. Side-note I think I've read the worst is for those who have a Black parent, sadly no surprise there.
I don't know the particulars of Darvish's upbringing, other than he grew up in Japan, but I'm gonna assume he dealt with that culture a lot growing up, and it probably wasn't always fun. So for him to be mocked with the historical slant-eyed thing is supremely sad to me, when people like him still face a lot of prejudice at home. Not necessarily him personally since he's a huge star, and probably is a huge inspiration to mixed kids in Japan, but if that kind of thing erased casual daily racism I think we'd know.

Everything's been written about the context of Gurriel's act, and as you wrote it was mostly done out of ignorance than sheer bigotry, but it does suck that he really won't face consequences of any note, and meanwhile Yu was the one that graciously took the high road, and yet still finished his playoffs on an incredibly sour note. I'm not a Dodgers fan by any stretch, but I'm definitely rooting for him to bounce back from this next year.

Oh and lastly, MOTHERFUCK the Astros fans who gave Gurriel and the Bushies a rousing cheer in game 4. Living in TX I know very well people aren't as bad as the elected officials make it seem, but there are also reminders like this that actually, there's a reason why the nincompoops keep getting voted in.

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47. "Yeah I didn't even know he was part Persian until recently"
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my homie who works for ESPN is a real-ass dude, speaks three languages and one is Farsi, fam is from iran. he was telling me how hype persians were when darvish arrived and i was like "huh?" i played it cool and google later. explains his surname, i guess.

it does add another layer of fucked-upness to this but i loved darvish's reaction. either gurriel is a dummy, not a monster in my book.

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48. "RE: Yeah I didn't even know he was part Persian until recently"
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> but i loved
>darvish's reaction.

yup this is what I'd rather focus on

either gurriel is a dummy, not a monster
>in my book.

probably, I'd rather not dwell on him too much. Hope he understood how dumb/wrong he was and can be a positive contributor in the future. Tipping your cap is one thing, what would be cool if he can get involved off the diamond too

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50. "It's light hearted and stupid to a group of non asians LOL"
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Because it doesnt offend that group doesnt mean't it's not offensive. Lighthearted or not.

Its not even the word, I get it. Words like that amongst other cultures where they don't really mix amongst other cultures too tough, doesn't mean its not offensive tho. Thats like "Coolie" amongst West Indians. Shit is pretty offensive but is said mad casual. I can get past the word "Chinito" tho. BUT the eye gesture? LMAO fuck no. There is no excuse you can make for that. Thats the thing people who try to make excuses or light heartedness of the situation keep dodging.




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