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okayplayery
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"Ben Simmons is phenomenal"


          

No jumper? He's still gonna score, his ballhandling is elite. Passing - elite. Body - elite.

He better than all them rookies from the last two years. Matter of fact he better than Embiid.

When he learns how to shoot, it's gonna be between him and Giannis in the East.

  

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dude is very good and effortless..out of him and Lonzo for ROY
Oct 24th 2017
1
it's Ben easily unless he gets injured.
Oct 24th 2017
2
      jinx
Oct 24th 2017
4
i'm glad he's healthy. Sucks that he's a year behind schedule
Oct 24th 2017
3
embiid just gotta stop forgetting he is 7'
Oct 24th 2017
5
Fultz must be hurt. His FT form?! He was an animal in HS and college
Oct 24th 2017
6
Now they're saying he's had his shoulder drained
Oct 24th 2017
7
      thank goodness
Oct 24th 2017
9
      lol sixers in playoffs or bust mode
Oct 24th 2017
10
      now they're saying it was a cortisone shot *shrug*
Oct 24th 2017
11
           bout done with his agent
Oct 25th 2017
12
                yeah that's not the list you want.
Oct 25th 2017
13
                     He's just really, really young.
Oct 25th 2017
14
He just gotta get last year out of his system
Oct 24th 2017
8
simmons gets to the rim whenever he wants
Oct 25th 2017
15
For once RBO and I agreed 100%, this dude was sick AF J or no J
Oct 25th 2017
16
Remember LeBron had (still kind of has) a POO POO jumper
Oct 26th 2017
17
I like Simmons too but lets not get carried away lol...
Oct 26th 2017
18
I mean, it's either them or Boston, if CLE reverts to Pumpkin in 2018
Oct 30th 2017
24
      unless Fultz comes back and actually lives up to the hype Philly...
Oct 30th 2017
25
      um, milwaukee?
Oct 31st 2017
41
           right, Wizards ain't going nowhere no time soon either lol
Oct 31st 2017
44
"Don't go too far Tony" (c) Bernstein
Oct 26th 2017
19
      haha...dope reference...literally
Oct 26th 2017
20
           Hood classic lol
Oct 26th 2017
21
10/28 vs the Mavs: 23 pts/ 7 boards/ 8 assists/ 3 steals & just 1 to
Oct 29th 2017
22
Zo had 29/11/9 vs Phx and there was 1 new post
Oct 29th 2017
23
damn, it's crazy where agendas have brought us...
Oct 30th 2017
26
That mofo was on magazine covers before playing a single NBA game
Oct 30th 2017
29
Damn, the Ballhive swarmed in fast.
Oct 30th 2017
30
      You made a hyperbolic and false claim - got called on it
Oct 31st 2017
31
      You're being extremely naive. The Ball agenda is being forced extra
Nov 01st 2017
54
      it has to do with the dude being on ice for a full year.
Oct 31st 2017
32
and fultz out... indefinitely
Oct 30th 2017
27
red-shirting has paid off so far.
Nov 18th 2017
64
going to the Kings-6ers game next week
Oct 30th 2017
28
RE: Ben Simmons is phenomenal
Oct 31st 2017
33
reading this post and then looking at standings
Oct 31st 2017
34
"Philly just might be best team in the East if LeBron (leaves)"
Oct 31st 2017
35
Had a poor start but def gaining some rhythm
Oct 31st 2017
36
2 games back of the top seed
Oct 31st 2017
37
...or like "Hall of Fame impact" after 31 games?
Oct 31st 2017
45
well the franchise is not a "2 games from first" franchise past hallowee...
Oct 31st 2017
46
      2 home games thus far, 5 of 7 against 48+ win teams
Nov 01st 2017
53
Bruh, GSW haven't lost 3 games in Oct since 1985
Oct 31st 2017
47
So lets not look at recent trends like 3-1 outta last 4 games?
Oct 31st 2017
48
      Oh, make that 4 wins outta last 5 winning 3 straight & going .500
Nov 01st 2017
55
He's taking 3/4ths of his shots inside of 10 feet.
Oct 31st 2017
38
RE: He's taking 3/4ths of his shots inside of 10 feet.
Oct 31st 2017
39
All are different cases, of course.
Oct 31st 2017
40
      go back and watch the 2007 Finals, all the Spurs did was pack it in...
Oct 31st 2017
42
           man, i'll sign up for "ben simmons shut down in NBA Finals" right now
Oct 31st 2017
43
           lmao, he thought it was a good argument too
Nov 01st 2017
51
                No, you all are the ones missing the point, I was just pointing out...
Nov 01st 2017
52
           so you don't think he's getting to the bucket because teams have to
Oct 31st 2017
49
                pack the paint, contain them both, for this team to really achieve...
Oct 31st 2017
50
                     Watch a game, it will be clear to you...that won't work.
Nov 16th 2017
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                          I did, they’re both studs, I still stand on everything I said.
Nov 16th 2017
61
he also has a pass-first mentality
Nov 18th 2017
65
^^^ MVP in year 3!
Nov 14th 2017
56
RE: ^^^ MVP in year 3!
Nov 14th 2017
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Year 3 playing or year 3 being on a roster?
Nov 14th 2017
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      I'm hoping the 6ers are done redshirting rookies and just sacrificing en...
Nov 15th 2017
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Al B Simmons
Nov 16th 2017
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does he not have an australian accent?
Nov 17th 2017
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LAbeathustla
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1. "dude is very good and effortless..out of him and Lonzo for ROY"
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2. "it's Ben easily unless he gets injured."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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4. "jinx"
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Cenario
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3. "i'm glad he's healthy. Sucks that he's a year behind schedule"
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I pray for the East that the sixers can become something along with Milwakuee

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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5. "embiid just gotta stop forgetting he is 7'"
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double the time he spends in the paint and cut the time he spends 18' out facing the basket

ill give him the occasional 3 pointer



and yea i wouldnt put simmons over a never-injured/no minute restrictions embiid, but at this stage its about even. better than lonzo tho


fultz, sorry to say but right from the preseason you could tell he wasnt worth the #1 pick. that u traded up for, at that.
but i'll give him some time



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6. "Fultz must be hurt. His FT form?! He was an animal in HS and college"
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7. "Now they're saying he's had his shoulder drained"
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Tue Oct-24-17 04:20 PM by Rjcc

  

          

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21141852/philadelphia-76ers-rookie-markelle-fultz-had-fluid-drained-shoulder


Philadelphia 76ers guard Markelle Fultz, the top overall pick in the 2017 NBA draft, had fluid drained from his right shoulder and is planning to visit a specialist soon, his agent told ESPN on Tuesday.

"Markelle had a shoulder injury and fluid drained out of the back of his shoulder," agent Raymond Brothers told ESPN. "He literally cannot raise up his arms to shoot the basketball. He decided to try and fight through the pain to help the team. He has a great attitude. We are committed to finding a solution to get Markelle back to 100 percent."

No decision has been made for Fultz to miss games, league sources said.

Fultz had the shoulder drained prior to start of the regular season, which caused him to miss the end of the Sixers' preseason schedule, Brothers said.



I can understand why they wouldn't want another pick to start off the season missing games, but why the fuck is he playing if he can't raise his arm?

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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9. "thank goodness"
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wasn't gonna improve otherwise

i understand them potentially not wanting to sit ANOTHER high/#1 pick for injury purposes for a stretch, but dude is obviously hurting w/ that free-throw technique...sit his ass down for a week and a half.

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10. "lol sixers in playoffs or bust mode"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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11. "now they're saying it was a cortisone shot *shrug*"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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12. "bout done with his agent"
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https://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent-client-list/Raymond-Brothers/21

Not a client list that inspires confidence.

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13. "yeah that's not the list you want."
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this shoulder misstep is bizarre because...you should never need to restate the agent's report of what an injury is. if anyone knows other than the player and the doc...

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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14. "He's just really, really young."
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The chic fil a stuff, the jumper, the agent bad at PR, it's all a different version of what the lakers dealt with d'angelo. I'm only a little worried. I've said all along that he's a three-year project. He was always going to be bad this year, because rookies are always bad. Granted, he's been worse than I expected because of the jumper, but I assume that's a mental/injury thing he'll get over.

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8. "He just gotta get last year out of his system"
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Once he learns what it's like to play with real dudes he'll be fine

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15. "simmons gets to the rim whenever he wants"
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has all the physical tools, elite vision/passing, elite athleticism, once he gets better at finishing around the basket the lack of a jumper won't be as big an issue.

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16. "For once RBO and I agreed 100%, this dude was sick AF J or no J"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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17. "Remember LeBron had (still kind of has) a POO POO jumper"
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Philly just might be best team in the East if LeBron does what I think he does after this season

  

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18. "I like Simmons too but lets not get carried away lol..."
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>Philly just might be best team in the East if LeBron does
>what I think he does after this season
>
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24. "I mean, it's either them or Boston, if CLE reverts to Pumpkin in 2018"
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and I dunno, I might ride with Philly even though my dude Ky is on the Green Death Star

  

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25. "unless Fultz comes back and actually lives up to the hype Philly..."
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is still a ways away from being a playoff contender lol.

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41. "um, milwaukee?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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44. "right, Wizards ain't going nowhere no time soon either lol"
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19. ""Don't go too far Tony" (c) Bernstein "
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20. "haha...dope reference...literally"
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22. "10/28 vs the Mavs: 23 pts/ 7 boards/ 8 assists/ 3 steals & just 1 to"
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Yeah, this kid is special.

Let that have been Ball and we'd have 3 separate posts reminding us all of how great he is.

  

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23. "Zo had 29/11/9 vs Phx and there was 1 new post"
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relax with the hyperbole, enjoy Ben for Ben.

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26. "damn, it's crazy where agendas have brought us..."
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you couldn't just big-up your guy without throwing shade? Gotta love it! (c)Curtis Jackson

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29. "That mofo was on magazine covers before playing a single NBA game"
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with captions "Heir to the Throne", "Next GOAT", etc. He got his attention all over the mainstream, you getting salty about some posts on a board frequented by 12 people?

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30. "Damn, the Ballhive swarmed in fast."
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1) I have no agenda and if you think so, link me up to my posts about Ball. I'll wait. I've got no problem at all if he turns in to a superstar.

2) Simmons hasn't generated near the buzz or hype that Ball has for the preseason and start to regular season. Much of that has to do w/ Ball playing in LA though.

3) Relax. It's very easy for someone to enjoy one player while making a slightly negative remark about another - and let's be honest, it wasn't that negative.

  

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31. "You made a hyperbolic and false claim - got called on it"
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Hyperbole when there's direct evidence to refute it is really silly imo

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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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54. "You're being extremely naive. The Ball agenda is being forced extra "
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hard. Maybe its warranted, maybe not. But you can't dispute the fact that he's gotten way more hype on here and the media relative to his success. I mean, ESPN's headline of last nights game is "Ball, Lakers romp to victory." I mean, cut me a freaking break. Ball went 13 puts/6 boards/3 assists. 5 Lakers had 13 points or more. But yeah, lets push the narrative that he's the whole team. Just one of many, many examples.

Not his fault, but you're lying if you think the coverage has been fair.

  

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32. "it has to do with the dude being on ice for a full year."
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he didn't even play in summer league.

no one saw him doing anything except drills in an empty gym for 12 months

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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27. "and fultz out... indefinitely"
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smh

i think im most mad that i cant blame this on hinkie



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64. "red-shirting has paid off so far."
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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28. "going to the Kings-6ers game next week "
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can't wait to see this kid in person

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33. "RE: Ben Simmons is phenomenal"
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He was 3 for 3 on elbow jumpers last night. League is fucked.

  

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34. "reading this post and then looking at standings"
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i expected a bit more than 11th in the east

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35. ""Philly just might be best team in the East if LeBron (leaves)""
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36. "Had a poor start but def gaining some rhythm "
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Part of what comes along with having multiple pieces who haven't played together and then compounded by a shortened training camp.

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37. "2 games back of the top seed"
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yes, that's an incredibly stupid thing to say, just like "they're the 11 seed after seven games" is an incredibly stupid thing to say.

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45. "...or like "Hall of Fame impact" after 31 games?"
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46. "well the franchise is not a "2 games from first" franchise past hallowee..."
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thats why you would sound stupid lol

i was just saying id have guessed them to be above .500 given the content of the post. that seems fairly measured to me *shrug*

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53. "2 home games thus far, 5 of 7 against 48+ win teams "
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47. "Bruh, GSW haven't lost 3 games in Oct since 1985"
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according to last night's broadcast anyway

I wouldn't make any conclusions off of Oct returns

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48. "So lets not look at recent trends like 3-1 outta last 4 games?"
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And those 3 wins being on the road & one of them avenging that one loss at home against a playoff team?

Ok, cool.

  

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55. "Oh, make that 4 wins outta last 5 winning 3 straight & going .500"
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38. "He's taking 3/4ths of his shots inside of 10 feet. "
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If you're a Sixers fan and you see nearly 20 points a game from him, it's a very good sign, because (a) he's finding success at the rim (where he was one of the best in college the last several years) and (b) he's choosing to go inside rather than settling for jump shots. He keeps going in, he'll be hard to contain. He's just too fast for a guy his size and too big for a guy his speed.

I still don't buy the arguments of "once he gets a jumper, it's on!" because the overwhelming majority of players who were bad jump shooters in college remain bad jump shooters in the NBA. The Kawhi Leonards of the world are the exception, not the rule.

People should instead focus on the fact that he'll be an All-Star even without a jumper. Which is true. If I were Simmons, I'd be far more focused on getting my FT% above 70% than I'd be on getting an outside jumper. He should routinely draw 8-10 FT attempts per game for his career.

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39. "RE: He's taking 3/4ths of his shots inside of 10 feet. "
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>If you're a Sixers fan and you see nearly 20 points a game
>from him, it's a very good sign, because (a) he's finding
>success at the rim (where he was one of the best in college
>the last several years) and (b) he's choosing to go inside
>rather than settling for jump shots. He keeps going in, he'll
>be hard to contain. He's just too fast for a guy his size and
>too big for a guy his speed.
>
>I still don't buy the arguments of "once he gets a jumper,
>it's on!" because the overwhelming majority of players who
>were bad jump shooters in college remain bad jump shooters in
>the NBA. The Kawhi Leonards of the world are the exception,
>not the rule.
>
>People should instead focus on the fact that he'll be an
>All-Star even without a jumper. Which is true. If I were
>Simmons, I'd be far more focused on getting my FT% above 70%
>than I'd be on getting an outside jumper. He should routinely
>draw 8-10 FT attempts per game for his career.

He doesn't have to be Steph Curry but he can still improve from the outside.

Eventually defenses will start backing off of him and daring him to shoot.

Lebron's jumper was garbage when he first came in. AD & Cuz have both extended their games.

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40. "All are different cases, of course."
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Bron was already shooting above his career 3P% by Year 2, so I think the "trashness" of his early jumper vs. his later jumper has been overhyped. It improved, but not beyond the pale. If anything, his ability to finish inside of ten feet has been what's really improved in an elite way over the years.

The other guys, more appropriate to compare to Simmons height-wise, have been extending since the moment they arrived in the NBA.

AD and Cuz both took 65% of their shots inside 10 feet their rookie years. (Bron took a mere 48%.)
Simmons is taking 73%.

AD and Cuz also both took 22.5% of their shots outside of 16 feet their rookie years. (Bron took 35%.)
Simmons is taking 9%.

Limited sample size for Simmons, obviously, but the same was true in college for Davis and Cuz vs. Simmons. They've shown more desire to take those shots. (I'd also place Cousins alongside someone like Leonard in terms of being anomalously terrific in terms of jump shot growth over the years.)

I don't doubt that he'll attempt to work on the distance jumper, but until teams can repeatedly prove they can limit his effectiveness and keep him outside of ten feet on offense, I don't see why he should start chucking mid-rangers and 3s now. You weren't drafted #1 overall for your shot-making, you were drafted #1 because you're a beast at finishing inside, and you have elite vision, handles, and slipperiness for a guy your size. Pick your spots, play smart winning basketball, and work on that free throw stroke in practice, as that should also help with the mid-ranger as a side effect.

I also don't think many defenders are going to cheat down against Simmons effectively, because Simmons has the speed/handles/vision to simply drive into or back down into the cheating defender and run the offense from the interior, kicking out to shooters or looking for cutters. Simmons is big and agile enough that he'll likely draw the help, so he'll find the open man-- and if the defense doesn't help, then you're leaving a defender one-on-one against a guy who is both really quick for his size and really efficient inside of ten feet. They'll try to do that, but the number of defenders who can slow Simmons 1v1 is certainly low. Again, if I'm his coaching staff, I'm telling him to keep doing what he's been doing.

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42. "go back and watch the 2007 Finals, all the Spurs did was pack it in..."
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in the paint and dare Lebron to beat them from outside and he couldn't. Teams will play Simmons the same way.

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43. "man, i'll sign up for "ben simmons shut down in NBA Finals" right now"
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51. "lmao, he thought it was a good argument too"
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"BUT HE NEEDED THAT JUMPSHOT TO BEAT A DYNASTY-LEVEL TEAM IN THE FINALS!"

... dogg. You literally just made my point for me.

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52. "No, you all are the ones missing the point, I was just pointing out..."
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an example that most people are familiar with about someone have to improve their shot.

I wasn’t saying Simmons is Lebron James but if that’s what y’all want take from it go ahead lol.

The point is no matter how quick and skilled he is with the ball for his size if he doesn’t develop and outside shot to keep teams honest teams will pack the paint and take away his drives and that will make things harder for Embiid too.

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49. "so you don't think he's getting to the bucket because teams have to"
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50. "pack the paint, contain them both, for this team to really achieve..."
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elite status Fultz is going to have to come back and live up to the hype

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60. "Watch a game, it will be clear to you...that won't work."
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Embiid is going to draw a double team everytime he's on the block

Triple teams are also being used, but less frequent

he sets up on one side of the lane

our 6'10" PG dives to the rim

= easy buckets

This isn't a Bron situation

you have to double 2 guys

1 who's position on the floor is top of the key

the other is setting up in the paint

another issue with packing the paint is we have shooters too

JJ, RoCo and Saric can all hit the 3

High pick and rolls with Al B Simmons and The Process

defenders are getting caught up in the wash

= easy buckets for our 6'10" PG to drive to the bucket

if the defenders roll with Al B Simmons

he leaves the ball for The Process top of the key 3

Packing the lane with a handful of undersized defenders won't help you.

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61. "I did, they’re both studs, I still stand on everything I said."
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65. "he also has a pass-first mentality"
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i think once he gets a better feel for decision-making he will become more productive and more efficient. his shot will get better, how much better remains to be seen but he doesn't have trash form, he just doesn't have great touch yet. i could easily seeing him bein a 25/8/6 guy on 50-ish percent from the field, which are great numbers.

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56. "^^^ MVP in year 3!"
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calling it now

can't stop this guy

looking forward to battles with Bron and Freak



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57. "RE: ^^^ MVP in year 3!"
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>calling it now
>
>can't stop this guy
>
>looking forward to battles with Bron and Freak

Fun watching his confidence grow. He yammed on the Clips 4 times in the first quarter last night. He is starting to figure out he can get to the hole at will.

PS - his defense is way ahead of schedule. I am pleasantly surprised.

  

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58. "Year 3 playing or year 3 being on a roster?"
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59. "I'm hoping the 6ers are done redshirting rookies and just sacrificing en..."
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seasons

guess we'll find out with how they handle Fultz

...but...

this team can win

they can make the playoffs

I'm hoping the culture changes from win tomorrow to win today

and if there are health issues with players, they are motivated enough to get back on the floor and contribute to a winning culture

instead of just giving up on entire seasons

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62. "Al B Simmons"
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homie needs a nickname

Fresh Prince is wack

I'm going with Al B Simmons

anybody else have nicknames suggestions?

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63. "does he not have an australian accent?"
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I heard him talking after the game and I was like...wait

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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