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"Go get Kaepernick you pussies"


  

          

Hundley damn sure ain't it
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Not gonna happen
Oct 15th 2017
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If any team could, it's the Packers
Oct 15th 2017
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Lol I was talking about different scenarios for Kap last week
Oct 15th 2017
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Right ! In terms of playing style ...
Oct 15th 2017
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Will Rodgers ask for him, either publicly or privately?
Oct 15th 2017
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Ohh good call.
Oct 15th 2017
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Well let’s see what happens now!!!!!!!!
Oct 15th 2017
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Haha I just heard about this. I applaud him but ...
Oct 15th 2017
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All for Kap getting a job...
Oct 15th 2017
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The Packers line sucks and Kaep can at least move
Oct 15th 2017
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Good point re: GB's o-line.
Oct 15th 2017
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I don't think he's worse than a lot of the guys getting jobs.
Oct 15th 2017
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lol, bro...Ryan Fitzpatrick is on an NFL team, right now...
Oct 15th 2017
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      Osweiler JUST entered the game for Denver...
Oct 15th 2017
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      Basically...The "He's Not Good Enough" Excuse is Bogus
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           It is empirically proven at this point.
Oct 16th 2017
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      Agreed. I mean in a perfect world he could be ...
Oct 16th 2017
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RE: All for Kap getting a job...
Oct 15th 2017
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oh Lord, this thing again...
Oct 15th 2017
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RE: oh Lord, this thing again...
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right, people were talking about the Pack going after Romo lol
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well said
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Kaep is better than nearly every back up QB in the NFL
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RE: Kaep is better than nearly every back up QB in the NFL
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and half the starters
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      RE: and half the starters
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16 TDs vs 4 INTs
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huge market for a one read, pre-determined passer with poor accuracy
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      your "one speed, one read qb" posts always crack me up
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There are two glaring points regarding Kaepernick.
Oct 16th 2017
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point one is just wrong...
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The door was open for him to come back though.
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come back as what????.....did you read this line...
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      This is also a quote from Lynch
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I just want to add that it was complicated
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I don't even know where to start with #2
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Doesn’t matter if he or anyone asked the question...
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      everyone already knows everything you just wrote
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           Well you said I was answering questions that no one was asking...
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everything you posted is wrong
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      So you actually thought that a team was going to sign him???
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Let's discuss the collusion suit he recently filed, folks.
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don't see how he wins the case tbh
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Yea it's absolutely obvious. Just no way to prove it, sadly.
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yup and there's no way to compel evidence through discovery.
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Mark Geragos better than any lawyer the union woulda provided
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Colin Kaepernick's collusion grievance against NFL centered on Trump's i...
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Source: President Trump is Eric Reid’s top target in collusion grievan...
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i think he made the right call, and it's obviously collusion
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I'm not so sure it's collusion
Oct 17th 2017
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Bomani had a legal guy on last night...
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right more than one team or one team and the league.
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I think the suit is symbolic if anything else
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      RE: I think the suit is symbolic if anything else
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           what makes you think he's using his own money?
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           he has many, many millions of dollars
Oct 17th 2017
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Here’s what NFL, team owners face against Colin Kaepernick’s legal s...
Nov 06th 2017
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I heard they are requesting NFL owners phone records
Nov 06th 2017
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Colin Kaepernick's legal team expected to subpoena President Trump in ca...
Jun 07th 2018
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      oh man, how hilariously poignant would it be if THIS is what brings 45 d...
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BrooklynWHAT
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1. "Not gonna happen"
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2. "If any team could, it's the Packers"
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3. "Lol I was talking about different scenarios for Kap last week "
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and this was one in particular that I was thinking of.

I didn't believe he had any chance this year of playing, but possibly next year depending on how the anthem thing plays out and other related issues.

But the one exception would be a contending team that relies heavily on their qb and doesn't have a Trump-supporting owner.

I know GB is not a real progressive city, and people will be pissed anywhere, but this might actually be the place for it to happen.

That said I don't think it will.

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4. "Right ! In terms of playing style ..."
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I think it's kinda the perfect fit. ARodg scrambles a lot. Man if Kaep doesn't even get a look, WTF

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5. "Will Rodgers ask for him, either publicly or privately?"
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6. "Ohh good call."
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Tough spot maybe cause it depends on the relationship he has with Hundley but ... yea considering how he came out recently supporting the protests and saying all the right things, it'll be interesting to see if he makes a public call for GB to bring Kaep in.

I hope he does.

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7. "Well let’s see what happens now!!!!!!!!"
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https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/15/colin-kaepernick-files-greivance-owner-collusion-cba

  

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10. "Haha I just heard about this. I applaud him but ..."
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... it prolly means no one's reaching out to him for a job anytime soon.

But again I stress - I applaud him doing this.

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8. "All for Kap getting a job..."
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But do people actually think he is good?

I never liked the way he threw the ball (zero touch) and haven't seen him have a great game in a long time. Maybe I missed em.

And is he really going to outperform Hundley who has been in the system for two years.


Either way, fuck the packers

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9. "The Packers line sucks and Kaep can at least move"
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Brew
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12. "Good point re: GB's o-line."
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11. "I don't think he's worse than a lot of the guys getting jobs."
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Also I think with good coaching, which they have in GB (not great, but good) he can succeed. We saw that when he was with Harbaugh.

I also think his similarities to Rodgers in terms of style of play would beneficial in GB specifically. So I guess what it is is that he's good enough to be successful as a backup in a system that fits his style of play, IMO.

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14. "lol, bro...Ryan Fitzpatrick is on an NFL team, right now..."
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he finished the game for TB after Jameis went out. Now...if that ain't a fucking style change...from Winston to Fitzpatrick...yet, somehow Kaep's style has been said to be one of the reasons he doesn't have a job. "He's not a fit on most teams". Pathetic.

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15. "Osweiler JUST entered the game for Denver..."
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like, JUST NOW!! LOL!! Denver fucked with him TWICE...smh.

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17. "Basically...The "He's Not Good Enough" Excuse is Bogus"
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Considering Fitzpatrick, Osweiler, and BRANDON FUCKING WEEDEN have jobs...amongst many scrubs that are still playing.

  

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24. "It is empirically proven at this point. "
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Then again, racists aren't really known for respecting empiricism.

  

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19. "Agreed. I mean in a perfect world he could be ..."
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...a starter on like 1/3 of the teams in the league, or more.

So yea. Couldn't agree with you more.

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13. "RE: All for Kap getting a job..."
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He sucks:

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16. "oh Lord, this thing again..."
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>And is he really going to outperform Hundley who has been in
>the system for two years.

"familiarity with the system"

"knows the system"

"too late to learn the offense on the fly"

NFL concepts are so out in the open and copied from week to week, yet even smart people act as if each team has a secret code language you need months to decipher.

familiarity with the skill position players is a huge deal, but most back-ups are throwing to the twos and practice squad so no advantage there either.

this idea that back-ups have this intricate, valuable knowledge via clipboard osmosis that supersedes actual talent is laughable.

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18. "RE: oh Lord, this thing again..."
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You are making this into something it's not.

Dude said Packers should go get Kapernick and I'm merely asking why anyone would think that would be a better option than Hundley. There reason I asked that is Hundley is a guy the Packers thought was good enough to let their other backups go. They drafted him and he had a good preseason that year.

Also, I don't actually think Kapernick is very good. Never been a fan and last couple games I saw him play were godawful.


The fact that he is already there, he is intricately familiar with the system and verbiage, and is actually decently mobile himself, makes me think, why? Yes, these systems are not THAT unique but to say Hundley shouldn't have a better grasp a guy who has never been there, and hasn't played in a long time, and hasn't played well in even longer…


Obviously, Hundley might just be hot garbage, I dunno, this was his first game.

Also, fuck the Packers, as a beleaguered Bears fan I hope they pick Kap up. Last time he played Chicago he was terrible and got benched for Gabbert.

And for the record, Kap is definitely just as bad as several QBs with jobs right now. Just so my position is clear.



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30. "right, people were talking about the Pack going after Romo lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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43. "well said"
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NFL concepts are so out in the open and copied from week to week, yet even smart people act as if each team has a secret code language you need months to decipher.

familiarity with the skill position players is a huge deal, but most back-ups are throwing to the twos and practice squad so no advantage there either.

this idea that back-ups have this intricate, valuable knowledge via clipboard osmosis that supersedes actual talent is laughable.

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20. "Kaep is better than nearly every back up QB in the NFL"
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21. "RE: Kaep is better than nearly every back up QB in the NFL"
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Not sure I agree but he is certainly good enough to have a job in the NFL, no doubt about that.

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22. "and half the starters"
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Kaep is one of the 15-20 best quarterbacks in the world.

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23. "RE: and half the starters"
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>Kaep is one of the 15-20 best quarterbacks in the world.
>

LOL if this was true, why do you think Niners fans were so happy to be shut of him?Why do you think he lost his job to Gabbert…twice?



Again, Kap deserves a job based on his talent and ability. He is better than many people in the league with jobs.

But he is also a QB who has struggled for years, regressed badly since his breakout and was considered a backup level player BEFORE all this happened.


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27. "16 TDs vs 4 INTs"
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He's better than 90 percent of the backup QBs on rosters right now. He can start on the Browns given prep time in three weeks. He can start on the Cardinals as well.

He's not great but his small sample size last year warrants a consideration is an average starter/above average backup.

  

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28. "huge market for a one read, pre-determined passer with poor accuracy"
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yes he deserves to have a job


but its also true he regressed every year since that first one.


  

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45. "your "one speed, one read qb" posts always crack me up"
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i want the cat back in the league like errryone else, but people forget the disparity between his accuracy in the first half versus second half of games. a decent drop off after halftime..

still, he's got the second-lowest INT rate in nfl history.

  

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25. "There are two glaring points regarding Kaepernick."
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1. He was not cut from the 49ers, and severed ties on his own.

2. He should’ve known that no teams was going to sign him. Owners hated and despised what Kaepernick was doing. So he thought that he was going to get picked up elsewhere. Not smart on his part for leaving a situation where he was at least going to play the preseason to battle for the starting position.

  

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26. "point one is just wrong..."
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They were going to cut him if he didn't opt out. He didn't have a shot to compete for the starting spot. Shanny had his mind made up. See, these are the kinds of falsehoods that are out there...like he doesn't want to play.

“Yes,” Lynch said regarding whether Kaepernick would have been cut if he hadn’t opted out, “and we had that conversation with him. So I don’t want to characterize it as he made a decision to leave here. We both sat down and under that current construct of his deal, it was a big number. Kyle had a vision for what he wanted to do, and one thing I think Kyle was very clear and I think Colin appreciated, is that Kyle has an idea of how he’d play with Colin Kaepernick. But he preferred to run the exact offense that he ran in Atlanta last year that was record-breaking in this league. And if you change it for the quarterback, you change it for everybody on that offense. So he had a great discussion that I think gave Colin clarity, so we moved on. Brian Hoyer was one of the guys we pursued. Once we pursued him, we didn’t see Kaep as a backup that would really fit in that scheme and we communicated that to him. So I think we’ve been very up front with it. But I think that is a fair characterization. Yes, he was not going to be here under the construct of his contract. We gave him the option, ‘You can opt out, we can release you, whatever.’ And he chose to opt out, but that was just a formality.”

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38. "The door was open for him to come back though."
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39. "come back as what????.....did you read this line..."
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"we didn’t see Kaep as a backup that would really fit in that scheme and we communicated that to him"

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41. "This is also a quote from Lynch"
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The Niners aren't ruling out a reunion with Kaepernick -- "We left that door open in a very real and positive way," Lynch said Thursday at the NFL combine -- because San Francisco will have no quarterbacks under contract for 2017 at the start of the new league year.

So at the time he opted out he could’ve redone his contract. To each their own about how they want to evaluate this issue.

  

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46. "I just want to add that it was complicated"
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Kaep first leaked that he was going to opt out of his contract last December, while the season was still going on. He made it known that he wanted to leave even before the previous season was over and while Baalke and Kelley were still running things.

Yes, Lynch was going to cut Kaep regardless. But it wasn't like Kaep was primed to return and then Lynch gave him the "Either you quit or we fire you" ultimatum.

All that said, Kaep is still getting screwed and deserves to be on another team.

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31. "I don't even know where to start with #2"
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You're answering questions no one, including him, is asking.


>2. He should’ve known that no teams was going to sign him.
>Owners hated and despised what Kaepernick was doing. So he
>thought that he was going to get picked up elsewhere. Not
>smart on his part for leaving a situation where he was at
>least going to play the preseason to battle for the starting
>position.

  

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40. "Doesn’t matter if he or anyone asked the question..."
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>You're answering questions no one, including him, is asking.
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>>2. He should’ve known that no teams was going to sign him.
>
>>Owners hated and despised what Kaepernick was doing. So he
>>thought that he was going to get picked up elsewhere. Not
>>smart on his part for leaving a situation where he was at
>>least going to play the preseason to battle for the starting
>>position.
>

The facts are that no team was going to sign him and NO team has still signed him as of yet. With the need on several teams to improve the backup position and still NO has picked him up should tell you something about where the league is regarding putting him on a NFL squad. If the Titans chose to sign Weeden over Kaepernick then that ought to be enough evidence right there.

  

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42. "everyone already knows everything you just wrote"
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including Kaep.

what's the point?

  

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44. "Well you said I was answering questions that no one was asking..."
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Point is there was no question, only stating the obvious as to why he wasn’t signed yet, and it’s true no NFL team wants him on their roster. They would rather have you or me at QB.

  

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32. "everything you posted is wrong"
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34. "So you actually thought that a team was going to sign him???"
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The minute he opted out I knew that no one was going to sign him.

The owners did hate and despise Kaepernick for kneeling/sitting for the anthem.

  

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29. "Let's discuss the collusion suit he recently filed, folks."
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What interested me when I first read about this yesterday was the fact Kaepernick and his legal team choose to file this without the Player's Association being involved. Does this mean he has a lack of confidence in them as a union or does the union have a lack of confidence of Kaepernick and his legal team getting concrete evidence against the owners and the league colluding against him?

Also, even is Kaepernick wins this case, the most he can get cash at this point right? Will a team have to sign him if he wins the case?

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33. "don't see how he wins the case tbh"
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despite it being obvious they colluded to not sign him.

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35. "Yea it's absolutely obvious. Just no way to prove it, sadly."
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37. "yup and there's no way to compel evidence through discovery."
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They need a smoking gun and have no way of getting it.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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36. "Mark Geragos better than any lawyer the union woulda provided"
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Nah a team can't be forced to sign him.. but kaep could get money

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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47. "Colin Kaepernick's collusion grievance against NFL centered on Trump's i..."
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colin-kaepernicks-collusion-grievance-against-nfl-centered-on-trumps-influence/

Colin Kaepernick's collusion grievance against NFL centered on Trump's influence

Trump's tweets, rallies and contact with NFL owners will be a major part of Kaepernick's legal case

by Jason La Canfora

The influence and power of Donald Trump will be a central element in Colin Kaepernick's collusion grievance against the NFL, according to a source with knowledge of the situation, identifying the culture fostered by the leader of the free world as a factor in teams failing to extend a contract offer for work-out invitation to the former Super Bowl quarterback since he became a free agent in March.

Given the stipulations within the CBA about collusion, some have focused on the need to provide evidence of communications between owners and/or the league office to win damages. However, Kaepernick's case may focus on the tweets and other communications of the president, according to the source, noting numerous instances where Donald Trump expressed his influence over owners in this manner.

Per the CBA language on collusion:

"No Club, its employees or agents shall enter into any agreement, express or implied, with the NFL or any other Club, its employees or agents to restrict or limit individual Club decision-making ... "

In this instance, Kaepernick could argue, in addition to "express" collusion -- generally emails, text messages or written/oral arrangements among clubs or the league office -- that some or all NFL clubs/owners also had an "implied" agreement with the league and/or each other based on messages received from President Trump, which the president publicly discussed on Twitter and in speeches to restrict decision-making regarding signing Kaepernick.

Trump has Tweeted and commented about speaking to owners directly on matters of protesting players‎ and boasted of his sway over them when it comes to protesting players. He has mentioned ownership fear of drawing his wrath on social media and urged teams publicly to fire protesting players, referring to kneeling players as "sons of bitches" at a recent rally in Alabama.

Kaepernick's legal team could argue that has created a climate in which numerous owners have colluded to keep the quarterback from having an opportunity to gain employment in the NFL.

While much of this is public record via Tweets and Trump's remarks at rallies, the recording and transcripts of Trump's conversations with owners may provide evidence of the president's role in Kaepernick's inability to gain NFL employment despite throwing 16 touchdowns to four interceptions last season, his first back from several major surgeries.

Patriots owner Robert Kraft was photographed with Trump aboard Air Force One on March 19, early in the NFL's free agency signing period, with the men flying back to Washington together; notes or details of their conversation could be of interest to Kaepernick's lawyers. The following day, addressing a gathering in Kentucky, Trump referred to "the San Francisco quarterback," and went on to say, "It was reported that NFL owners don't want to pick him (Kaepernick) up because they don't want to get a nasty Tweet from Donald Trump. Do you believe that?"

A few weeks ago Trump Tweeted:

Spoke to Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys yesterday. Jerry is a winner who knows how to get things done. Players will stand for Country!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 27, 2017

Last week Jones spoke to the media about his latest conversations with Trump regarding the ongoing controversy of players kneeling during the national anthem, emphasizing Trump's knowledge of the league's game-day manual guiding teams on pregame protocols.

In Week 4 of the NFL season, the Tennessee Titans and Oakland Raiders suffered injuries to their starting quarterbacks and worked out a handful of journeymen quarterbacks in the ensuing days; the Titans signing Brandon Weeden, who had last played in 2015. Kaepernick's lawyers might argue Trump acted as an implied agent in this instance as neither team was responsive to Kaepernick's agent making clear Kaepernick's desire and eagerness to work out for any clubs.

The NFL was aware that Kaepernick was filing his formal grievance prior to the paperwork going out. Kaepernick did not file his grievance through the NFLPA, securing the esteemed firm of Geragos & Geragos to represent him, and it is customary for the union to assist outside legal teams in their pursuit of such claims, arbitrations, grievances and lawsuits against the NFL, its owners or its teams.

  

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58. "Source: President Trump is Eric Reid’s top target in collusion grievan..."
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https://sports.yahoo.com/source-president-trump-eric-reids-top-target-collusion-grievance-vs-nfl-234132369.html

Source: President Trump is Eric Reid’s top target in collusion grievance vs. NFL
Charles Robinson
Yahoo SportsMay 3, 2018, 6:41 PM

When Eric Reid filed a grievance against the NFL this week, it highlighted a string of legal breadcrumbs left for months in Colin Kaepernick’s collusion case brought against the league. And now more than ever, those breadcrumbs appear to be leading to one person: President Donald Trump.

A source who has viewed Reid’s confidential collusion filing against the NFL told Yahoo Sports that Trump is the crystal-clear target in the complaint. Specifically, the direct role Trump allegedly played in aligning NFL owners against players who had chosen to kneel as a form of silent protest, an act designed by the players to raise social awareness and promote racial equality, among other pursuits. The source said Reid’s complaint is anchored almost entirely to allegations of direct, but apparently still undefined, communications between Trump and NFL owners, which caused owners to take adverse action against Reid and other players. The “other players” include Kaepernick, but may not be limited to the former San Francisco 49ers quarterback.

The source added that the direct communications between Trump and NFL owners are alleged to have taken place both privately and publicly. Presumably, the public communications would include the litany of statements Trump has made about kneeling players on a wide variety of platforms, including speeches, interviews and his own Twitter account. The private communications likely include Trump’s verified personal phone calls with Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, but could encompass other conversations that have yet to be revealed.

How is this different from Kaepernick’s case?

While portions of Reid’s complaint sound like a rehash of the collusion allegation filed by Kaepernick, there is one key difference that could make Reid’s more revealing: It comes in the wake of months of discovery and depositions by the attorneys who now represent both Kaepernick and Reid. This may make Reid’s collusion filing more telling because it has the benefit of being focused through reams of private information that wasn’t available when Kaepernick filed his complaint last October.

Reid’s lawyers may feel they already have the evidence of collusion they need because it has been revealed during the course of Kaepernick’s discovery process.

This is what makes the spotlighting of Trump in this latest filing so telling. Consider: When Kaepernick filed his collusion complaint nearly seven months ago, the focus of allegations was wide, pointing not only at Trump, but also at commissioner Roger Goodell, other NFL executives, as well as the league’s entire ownership group. Make no mistake, Reid’s filing still points an accusatory finger at the NFL’s ownership and executive ranks. But it apparently paints Trump as the driving force behind the depths of the league’s motivation to keep both Kaepernick and Reid out of the league.

That’s an important distinction when comparing the two collusion complaints. And it suggests that during the process of discovery, the attorneys for Kaepernick and Reid have cultivated evidence putting Trump at center stage. Evidence that either came from the massive swath of discovery documents requested from a number of league executives and owners – or directly from the depositions of league power brokers.

  

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48. "i think he made the right call, and it's obviously collusion"
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but he won't win.

  

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49. "I'm not so sure it's collusion"
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collusion implies that all of the owners got together and said "nobody sign this guy"

if each of the 32 owners says to themselves "I don't want the PR headache that comes with signing this guy, he's not good enough to be worth the hassle" that's not collusion.

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50. "Bomani had a legal guy on last night..."
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(forgot his name), but he was saying it only needs to be two or more.

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53. "right more than one team or one team and the league."
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ie if a team was interested in him and the league advised them not to.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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51. "I think the suit is symbolic if anything else"
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Winning labor cases against corporations is extremely difficult in this country.

Kaep has known exactly what he's doing every step of the way during this entire thing.

I think he knows there's nearly no chance a team is going to hire him (because he has indeed been blacklisted). I think this is symbolic and for PR, and both are a good idea.

Kaep actually cares about the issues at stake here. (police brutality, people of color being murdered, NFL owners being racist and the right to peaceful protest)

  

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52. "RE: I think the suit is symbolic if anything else"
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>Winning labor cases against corporations is extremely
>difficult in this country.
>
>Kaep has known exactly what he's doing every step of the way
>during this entire thing.
>
>I think he knows there's nearly no chance a team is going to
>hire him (because he has indeed been blacklisted). I think
>this is symbolic and for PR, and both are a good idea.
>
>Kaep actually cares about the issues at stake here. (police
>brutality, people of color being murdered, NFL owners being
>racist and the right to peaceful protest)


IMO, he already has all the symbolic attention of being shut out of the league without having to spend his own cash for this lawsuit. I hoping Kaepernick or his legal representation knows something I don't know regarding some type of concrete evidence to net his a ruling in his favor. I suppose time will tell.

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54. "what makes you think he's using his own money?"
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this is free pub for Geragos...i wouldn't be surprised if its pro bono

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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55. "he has many, many millions of dollars"
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and has been more than willing to spend it for this cause.

  

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56. "Here’s what NFL, team owners face against Colin Kaepernick’s legal s..."
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https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-nfl-team-owners-face-colin-kaepernicks-legal-shark-022251995.html

Here’s what NFL, team owners face against Colin Kaepernick’s legal shark

Charles Robinson
Nov 5, 2017, 8:22 PM

As the witness list of NFL powerbrokers continues to swell in the Colin Kaepernick grievance, one question will come into focus in the coming weeks: How unpleasant could attorney Mark Geragos make this process for the league’s fraternity of wealthy elites?

Geragos is skilled at disassembling witnesses in depositions and he will likely have the latitude to dig deep into the league’s closets during questioning, says a former judge who spent parts of two decades watching Kaepernick’s attorney in action.

“Most of your trial objections to relevancy and hearsay don’t come into play at all in a deposition. It’s just a free-for-all,” said retired Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Peter Lichtman, who is now one of the top arbitrators in California. “That’s how function. In fact the standard is – so long as a question or subject is reasonably calculated to lead to admissible evidence – you can talk about anything. There’s just no real objections you can pose in a deposition other than if it’s an attorney-client privilege or work product privilege.”

That means Geragos is going to have the leeway to ask NFL team owners, coaches and team personnel a lot under oath. That will also go for commissioner Roger Goodell – when he is eventually added to the deposition list in the coming weeks. And some aspects of the NFL’s past disciplinary cases could find their way into the depositions, according to sources familiar with the Kaepernick grievance. Particularly in Goodell’s eventual questioning, which could deeply explore his role and actions as the league’s fundamental disciplinary hand.

The Ezekiel Elliott investigation? Tom Brady and deflate-gate? Goodell’s handling of Ray Rice? So long as the line of questioning is “reasonably calculated” to lead to admissible evidence reflecting on the treatment of Kaepernick, aspects of all of those situations could be on the table in depositions. It may even be likely, considering Geragos and Kaepernick’s legal team will try to build a picture of how the league office communicates with owners in times of crisis or negative publicity.

Whether Geragos can win head-to-head battles with a solidly sophisticated set of team owners and league executives remains to be seen. He has long been a well-known litigator in California, but his national reputation has risen considerably over the years through appearances in mainstream media and a history of high-profile clients. But Lichtman said anyone who judges Geragos through the media or celebrity prism alone is underestimating him.

“He’s one of the best cross-examiners,” Lichtman said. “He’s a phenomenal examiner. He phrases questions in a manner that no matter which way you answer, you’re kind of screwed. In terms of my experience, with him appearing in my courtroom, he’s a force to be reckoned with. Let’s put it that way. … He’s on my top-five list of attorneys that are the go-to attorneys – in anything, criminal or civil. The civil attorneys who underestimate him and say, ‘Well, he’s a criminal lawyer’ – that’s a severe mistake.”

After being admitted to the State Bar of California in 1983, Geragos began making his name as a criminal defense attorney. Some of his first high-profile defenses orbited in some fashion around the Clinton family, first successfully defending former President Bill Clinton’s business associate Susan McDougal (of Whitewater infamy), and then later defending Clinton’s brother Roger on drunken-driving charges. Other clients would include politicians, rappers, actors and actresses, along with the wealthy private elite.

Lichtman says that’s what makes Geragos such an intriguing opponent for the NFL. Geragos’ wealth of experience has blazed a trail through every conceivable economic, educational and social plateau. All of it giving him the experience to joust (and corner) just about anyone on the witness stand.

“When I was in complex litigation, we had very sophisticated people on both sides,” Lichtman said. “But that’s where Mark’s forte is. He’s very good at finding a particular strategy and presentation and going with it. It’s like playing 10-second chess with him. His moves are already made. He’s got a pre-planned strategy. He’s very adroit at thinking his points through and having a very nice aerial view of the situation. He breaks complex things into simplistic things.

“I always loved having him in my courtroom. Because I knew he was going to be very well prepared. The big thing that judges look for are guys that don’t fight over everything. He knows which hill to die on. He knows when to concede. That’s a good thing. Judges love him. He’s charismatic and articulate, too. He’s got everything going for him. That is a pretty good package.”

And now it’s a package the NFL will have to contend with moving forward. Depositions are expected to begin inside the next two months and potentially span for long, long after. The who’s who of the NFL is being asked to line up, with Geragos and Kaepernick’s team circling for the foreseeable future. If anything, it will be intriguing legal theater simply for the chance to dig deep into some NFL closets and find out what might be hidden inside them.

  

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57. "I heard they are requesting NFL owners phone records"
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if true...

this could be a proooooblem.

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59. "Colin Kaepernick's legal team expected to subpoena President Trump in ca..."
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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-colin-kaepernicks-legal-team-expected-subpoena-president-trump-case-nfl-115914523.html

Colin Kaepernick's legal team expected to subpoena President Trump in case against NFL
Charles Robinson
June 7, 2018

After months of circling President Donald Trump during NFL depositions and discovery, Colin Kaepernick’s lawyers are expected to force Trump directly into the ongoing legal battle between the quarterback and league.

Kaepernick’s legal team is expected to seek federal subpoenas in the coming weeks to compel testimony from Trump, Vice President Mike Pence and other officials familiar with the president’s agenda on protesting NFL players, sources with knowledge of the quarterback’s collusion case against the NFL told Yahoo Sports.

The aim will be a dive into the administration’s political involvement with the NFL during Kaepernick’s free agency and the league’s handling of player protests, sources said. This after recent disclosures that multiple owners had direct talks with Trump about players kneeling during the national anthem. The content of those conversations between Trump and owners – as well as any forms of pressure directed at the league by the administration – are expected to shape the requests to force the testimony of Trump, Pence and other affiliated officials, sources said.

What has to happen for Trump to be subpoenaed?

Due to the nature of the rules in collective bargaining grievances, reeling in sworn testimony from the political sector will create at least one additional hurdle for Kaepernick’s camp. The quarterback’s legal team first must notify the system arbitrator of the need for targeted depositions beyond the boundaries of the agreement between the NFL and the player’s union. That would entail presenting a detailed argument to the system arbitrator overseeing the grievance, spelling out the relevance and impact that testimony from Trump or others could have on the grievance. If the arbitrator rules the testimony would be justifiable, that would open the door for Kaepernick’s attorneys to seek the subpoenas in a district court under the Federal Arbitration Act.

That’s also where the process would get more complicated and contentious.

Should the system arbitrator and a federal judge find there is a basis to force Trump or others to sit for depositions, it would raise an argument over whether the president can actually be compelled by the courts to sit for a deposition. Trump could choose to ignore the order or simply decline, leaving it up to the justice system to enforce the subpoena.

Whether that would ever happen is a significant matter of debate.

Trump’s lawyers already fighting subpoenas in Mueller case

Multiple media outlets have reported Trump’s lawyers have already argued to special counsel Robert Mueller that the president couldn’t be compelled to comply with a criminal subpoena in the Russian collusion probe. It stands to reason if Trump would refuse to sit for a deposition in an investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice, he’s also likely to refuse to comply with a subpoena from a district court stemming from Kaepernick’s arbitration case.

Complicating matters further? Even if Trump was attracted to lock horns more directly with Kaepernick, doing so in a deposition could potentially expose the president legally if it is found he somehow bore responsibility for NFL owners refusing to offer Kaepernick a job.

Still, there is also a flip side for Trump, whose head-on verbal barrage against the NFL over protesting players has been a red-meat issue politically, stoking his base and creating a staple talking point he has continually revisited. In theory, taking part in the Kaepernick case would give him the opportunity to air his thoughts about the quarterback face-to-face in a deposition – much the same way multiple NFL owners have done in the process. It would also offer Trump fertile material for his steady diet of social media and “Fox & Friends” appearances, which can’t be discounted.

  

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60. "oh man, how hilariously poignant would it be if THIS is what brings 45 d..."
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i mean, i know it won't. but what if?? that would be so awesome.

  

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