it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
1. "Sheeesh, dude has only played like 30 games" In response to Reply # 0
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
3. "Is it too early for bag talk?" In response to Reply # 0
Damn, 148 mill after playing 38 games makes him a get the bag hall of famer. What does he have to put up for this to not look like a bad deal? I expect franchise cornerstone numbers at that price but maybe that's just me.
it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
29. "Injuries are the only question, dude is extremely talented" In response to Reply # 3
Look at the numbers he did in limited minutes. If he can stay healthy and star's minutes, hell yes he will be putting up franchise cornerstone numbers.
The only reason this guy isn't being cysed to death is injuries. If healthy IMO he will be the best center in the league, and at a time when the position has quietly regained depth/quality.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
5. "Let's be clear: healthy Embiid is, minimum, a hall of famer" In response to Reply # 0
That's not projection. If all Embiid ever does is play 70 games a year that replicates his production last year, that's a hall of fame player. He was in the Larry Bird/Tim Duncan tier of rookie impact.
Now, there's no more than a 10 percent chance than he plays 70 game each year of this contract. We all know that. But healthy Embiid has a very good chance of becoming the best player in the league. I'm with the Sixers: let's lock this dude up, set controls for the heart of the sun, and go for it.
---- bshelly
"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God
dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
Mon Oct-09-17 08:53 PM
16. ""somehow embiid ain't that eyebrow-raising to me"" In response to Reply # 12
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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86672 posts
Mon Oct-09-17 08:18 PM
11. "*sigh* why am I about to ask this question?" In response to Reply # 7
If Joel averaging 20/8/2/1/2.5 on 46% shooting over 30 games is "thirty HOF games," then how is Baby Zeke averaging 29/3/6/1/0 on 46% shooting over 76 games "zero HOF games"?
8. "A Shumpert that scores like lebron and defends like kahwi is a HOFer" In response to Reply # 6
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86672 posts
Mon Oct-09-17 08:31 PM
14. "This is literally a projection." In response to Reply # 5
>That's not projection. If all Embiid ever does is play 70 >games a year that replicates his production last year, that's >a hall of fame player.
"If he got these numbers for this many game, that's a HOFer" is nearly the perfect sentence structure if I wanted to instruct someone how to make a projection, lmao.
36. "he's saying the on-court production is not a projection" In response to Reply # 14
he's not making a projection on him actually making it to the HOF. he's saying that right today he gives HOF caliber production when he's on the court.
>RE: Let's be clear: healthy Embiid is, minimum, a hall of famer >That's not projection. If all Embiid ever does is play 70 >games a year that replicates his production last year, that's >a hall of fame player. He was in the Larry Bird/Tim Duncan >tier of rookie impact. > >Now, there's no more than a 10 percent chance than he plays 70 >game each year of this contract. We all know that. But healthy >Embiid has a very good chance of becoming the best player in >the league. I'm with the Sixers: let's lock this dude up, set >controls for the heart of the sun, and go for it.
...... ARCHIVE, mods please ARCHIVE as this is a solid agenda that deserves praise.
Embiid's agent is first ballot that's for damn sure right up there with ARod's agent for getting him $480 million.
42. "Hey boss. Laugh last." In response to Reply # 38
Since you asked, I left because people became fixated on one poorly chosen word and ignored the substance of what I was saying, or just sort of laughed at what I said.
Don’t hear many laughs today
---- bshelly
"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God
45. "which word was that?" In response to Reply # 42
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
55. "oh 4 words...got it." In response to Reply # 47
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
48. "lol, are you new here?" In response to Reply # 42
>Since you asked, I left because people became fixated on one >poorly chosen word and ignored the substance of what I was >saying, or just sort of laughed at what I said.
welcome to OKS shells.
> >Don’t hear many laughs today
no, it's always funny to say someone is "at minimum a HOFer" after 31 games and claim that's not a projection. if OE said that there would be twice the amount of replies making fun of him. i don't even think this contract is bad, but that statement is funny.
41. "I’ve decided it’s all good. No agendas with embiid " In response to Reply # 40
Honestly, he’s too special for me to alienate people by being a dick about it. If you say bad shit about him, I’m gonna clown you and forget it immediately. Don’t let me get in the way of appreciating this guy.
Aka, this is what complete confidence sounds like.
---- bshelly
"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
50. "To me the extension was a great sign in terms of his health" In response to Reply # 44
No one is handing out $148M before the deal even expires if they aren't confident. I didn't wanna jinx it at the time but I thought so immediately. 70 minutes in three nights just now. Great sign. Please let this guy stay healthy, for the good of the sport.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
49. "it is what it is, there's not denying Embiid's talent but the facts ARE...." In response to Reply # 40
in the last 4 seasons he's only played about 40 games, so we'll see.
Do we really need to go through the list of people like Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway who looked like they were on their way to being first ballot HOF'ers and didn't make it and those dudes accomplished a helluva lot more than Embiid in his 43 game career, so can we just say Embiid is good and lets see what he does without making over the top long range projections?
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86672 posts
Fri Nov-17-17 12:01 PM
51. "Grant Hill's first year of eligibility is this coming year." In response to Reply # 49
And he'll make it in. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up first-ballot, frankly. Seven-time All-Star, five-time All-NBA, one of the greatest college careers of all time, and he's insanely popular with everyone who votes on these sorts of things.
54. "RE: We are in a different space as far as treatment and regimen...." In response to Reply # 53
>and Philly seems to have learned from the debacle with Andrew >Bynum.
I'd hope so, I'd love to see him continue to develop for years to come.
In some ways I think his early injuries may have even been blessing in disguise. With all the time he spent recovering and being held out of full blown practices you can tell he spent a lot of time in the gym alone or with a coach working on basic fundamentals like footwork, ballhandling, shooting, stuff that he didn't necessarily have coming out of Kansas. If he had come into the league playing and starting from day 1 he may not have had time perfect those skills.
56. "obviously any long-term projections have a caveat " In response to Reply # 49
but medicine has come a long way since guys like walton and sampson, hell even since penny and hill. hard to speculate as to the guy's health but like i said the extension and his current workload are both good signs.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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