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KiloMcG
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"2017 Washington Football Team Post "


  

          

Cmon, DC fans, let's not fall all the way off.

Didn't look good week 1. Kurt is not the answer, and definitely not worth the money he thinks he is.

We'll be 8-8 at best. What say you?

  

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We're staring down the barrel of an 0-4 start
Sep 13th 2017
1
0-4 is in play...
Sep 13th 2017
2
      that that cross country trip isn't going to help us any
Sep 15th 2017
3
well how about that...
Sep 18th 2017
4
they tried to blow it
Sep 18th 2017
5
      i couldn't just sit and watch it that intently. there was a lot going
Sep 18th 2017
6
           Pryor is a practice phenom
Sep 18th 2017
8
                losing Garcon was bigger than losing DJack.
Sep 18th 2017
10
                if Pryor had Garcon's hands he'd be AJ Green
Sep 18th 2017
11
Nice to see the run game work
Sep 18th 2017
7
Indeed...
Sep 18th 2017
9
      aside from a shitty pre season, he's supposed to be a better version
Sep 18th 2017
12
           Supposedly
Sep 18th 2017
13
When did the D learn to tackle?
Sep 24th 2017
14
That was a thorough ass kicking in all phases
Sep 24th 2017
15
The LBs look legit
Sep 24th 2017
16
Someone help me out.... What team was I just watching??
Sep 24th 2017
17
Lol for real
Sep 25th 2017
18
Week to week league. Week to week team
Sep 25th 2017
19
      if they can play with this kind of focus and attitude consistently...
Sep 25th 2017
20
the fuck got into VD?? he looked washed as FUCK in Denver.
Sep 25th 2017
21
a lot of great HGH
Sep 25th 2017
22
he was great last year too
Sep 25th 2017
23
think we can keep the momentum going tonight?
Oct 02nd 2017
24
if we win I'll believe we're actually good
Oct 02nd 2017
25
Huge test
Oct 02nd 2017
26
gutsy performance
Oct 02nd 2017
27
Doctson needs to "Pro Up"
Oct 02nd 2017
28
this is his first season with actual healthy playing time
Oct 02nd 2017
29
      Nah. Throw the whole receiver away. lol.
Oct 03rd 2017
30
      lol.
Oct 03rd 2017
32
      You're obviously right, I'm just blown.
Oct 03rd 2017
31
Chiefs game pros and cons:
Oct 03rd 2017
33
I realized something during this game
Oct 03rd 2017
34
      Kirk has definitely grown a lot.
Oct 03rd 2017
35
           yeah
Oct 03rd 2017
36
           Honestly, tonight it was Preston Smith and Breeland
Oct 03rd 2017
37
All Doctson had to do was control it.....Ugggghhhh!!!
Oct 03rd 2017
38
Doctson played it really well too
Oct 03rd 2017
39
Think there will be fallout from Reed?
Oct 03rd 2017
40
      not unless Reed chooses to be an ass about it.
Oct 03rd 2017
41
the penalties on 3rd down cost us more than that drop.
Oct 03rd 2017
42
HTTR
Oct 15th 2017
43
Garcon is so special
Oct 15th 2017
44
      bc he's not nearly as good as those players
Oct 16th 2017
45
Clutch by Kirk (!)
Oct 16th 2017
46
How we feeling ya'll for Monday Night Football?
Oct 22nd 2017
47
everyone is ready to anoint the Eagles
Oct 23rd 2017
48
they're due for a L. it's gonna be a close game, hopefully.
Oct 23rd 2017
49
if the defense has fallen off
Oct 23rd 2017
50
Not sure why Jordan Reed gets any snaps over V Davis
Oct 23rd 2017
51
Reed seems more dynamic, but there has to be a way to play both at once
Oct 24th 2017
52
      He's a good RZ target
Oct 24th 2017
55
Pitiful. Kurt kurted right on cue.
Oct 24th 2017
53
I mean, he got hit as he threw
Oct 24th 2017
54
      yeah the pick was definitely because he got hit.
Oct 24th 2017
56
           Kirk is good not great
Oct 24th 2017
57
                i agree with everything you just typed
Oct 24th 2017
58
                With players like Kirk, Joe Flacco, and even Matt Ryan
Oct 24th 2017
59
                     Kirk is both not special and not the problem with the offense
Oct 24th 2017
60
                          I can't believe I am saying this
Oct 24th 2017
61
                          There was no way to pay Garcon and DJax
Oct 25th 2017
62
                               both, no. But I would've kept Garcon
Oct 25th 2017
64
The four good offensive linemen are all injured as shit
Oct 25th 2017
63
sorry ass receivers, injuries, and rain
Oct 29th 2017
65
Really disappointed in Doctson today
Oct 30th 2017
66
A for effort
Oct 30th 2017
67
I can't get over these injuries
Oct 30th 2017
68
The injuries are killing the team.
Nov 01st 2017
69
      I don't necessarily believe in curses....
Nov 02nd 2017
70
           Yeah that's really what I'm talking about.
Nov 02nd 2017
71
                I strongly agree.
Nov 02nd 2017
72
                     i know, how shitty.
Nov 02nd 2017
73
                          I know we all know this but
Nov 02nd 2017
74
                               Ugh, I know..... Damnit
Nov 03rd 2017
75
DOCTSON CAUGHT ONE.
Nov 05th 2017
76
the signature Cousins/Gruden win
Nov 05th 2017
77
      i almost couldn't believe what i was watching there at the end.
Nov 06th 2017
84
Seattle's field goal kicker lost this game
Nov 05th 2017
78
Defense and a timely drive by Kirk & Co won this game.
Nov 05th 2017
79
      say what you want
Nov 06th 2017
80
           Still would be less than 20 points
Nov 06th 2017
81
So Fat Rob and Perine just aren't very good, right?
Nov 06th 2017
82
they're not
Nov 06th 2017
83
Worst defense....
Nov 12th 2017
85
didn't watch, was surprised how garbage it looked
Nov 13th 2017
86
i didn't watch either, had other shit going on yesterday afternoon
Nov 13th 2017
88
      lol same
Nov 13th 2017
89
linebackers and, especially, Josh Norman were awful
Nov 13th 2017
87
      Thielen is good but damn. Unexpected.
Nov 13th 2017
90
      I can't blame this game on Norman, even as awful as he played.
Nov 14th 2017
91
bah
Nov 19th 2017
92
This will contribute to getting Gruden fired. An unforgivable loss.
Nov 19th 2017
93
Good coordinator
Nov 19th 2017
94
i wish i had been surprised watching how it all unfolded.
Nov 20th 2017
95
I missed it. Been a busy weekend.
Nov 22nd 2017
96
      I only caught the 2nd half
Nov 22nd 2017
97
short answer: refs fucked WFC, after Gruden's bad coaching
Nov 22nd 2017
98
Bill Callahan is the team mvp.
Nov 24th 2017
99
WFC at Dallas tonight.
Nov 30th 2017
100
WFC should win.
Nov 30th 2017
101
agree, slight edge.
Nov 30th 2017
102
It would not surprise me at all if Dak has 350+ yds and 3 TDs
Nov 30th 2017
103
      We're lucky it's only a 10 point difference right now.
Nov 30th 2017
104
      11/22 for 102 yards
Dec 01st 2017
107
           eh, didn't really have to throw when they ran so well
Dec 01st 2017
109
                he's like a step above game manager right now
Dec 01st 2017
110
                He also didn't have to do much because we kept giving them the ball.
Dec 01st 2017
111
completely dominated. These guys should be embarrassed.
Nov 30th 2017
105
Good grief....
Nov 30th 2017
106
1,800 offensive line injuries finally caught up
Dec 01st 2017
108
Offensive line was atrocious. Defense played great in the first half
Dec 01st 2017
112
Not a fan of KC but...
Dec 03rd 2017
113
It's a really, really tough spot
Dec 03rd 2017
114
Agree 100%
Dec 03rd 2017
115
I agree with all of this, even down to not being a huge fan.
Dec 03rd 2017
116
though it is murky, I would encourage you to look around
Dec 04th 2017
117
well it's nice having my Sundays more free now.
Dec 11th 2017
118
WFC Players have quit and I'm ok with that.
Dec 11th 2017
119
yeah but when you go half ass in preparation and in play is when
Dec 11th 2017
120
I wish the reports/hoax would have been true. Redhawks is
Dec 14th 2017
121
Yup, I like it.
Dec 14th 2017
122
      I see where you're coming from, but I think I like Redhawks better than ...
Dec 14th 2017
123
This team is so damn frustrating.
Dec 27th 2017
124
they will finish 8-8, as middle of the road as you can be
Dec 27th 2017
125
      Smh, almost
Jan 01st 2018
126
      Why does Gruden still have his job? He sucks.
Jan 01st 2018
127
           I don’t think he sucks but I don’t think he’s at all special eithe...
Jan 01st 2018
128
                Just like Kurt. They're perfectly for each other.
Jan 02nd 2018
129
                Honestly yo. Even will all the positives you posted.
Jan 02nd 2018
130
      If they give KC $30 million a year, 8-8 will be the high mark
Jan 02nd 2018
131
           Given the weapons, Kirk could be in that 2nd tier of QBs
Jan 02nd 2018
132
                Allen is a chode, but his draft record is no better/worse than Scott McC
Jan 02nd 2018
133
                     McCloughan's record before and during DC speaks for itself.
Jan 02nd 2018
134

Tiger Woods
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1. "We're staring down the barrel of an 0-4 start"
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Lose Sunday and it's a wrap.
5-11 is in play.

The main thing I kept thinking watching that game Sunday is "what did you guys do all Summer?"

  

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2. "0-4 is in play..."
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We were given a layup with the Philly game but blew it. They better show up or its going to get ugly quickly! I think the Rams are ripe for the taking because they flying high after whipping a Colts team that is TURRIBLE (Barkley voice) however, they gotta play!

  

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KiloMcG
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3. "that that cross country trip isn't going to help us any"
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i dunno, yall. i'm not real hopeful for a positive season this year.

  

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4. "well how about that..."
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i thought for sure they were gonna blow it again yesterday. honestly surprised it was a W.

  

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5. "they tried to blow it"
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When the score was 10-0 and we were at their 4 and threw two consecutive fade routes, I thought we were done! We had just run the ball down their throats but start throwing fades to Doctson who seem to be the ONLY route they trust him to run. But we held on...tough game next week.

  

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6. "i couldn't just sit and watch it that intently. there was a lot going"
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on at my house during that time Haha. and i was a little lit off tequila, but anyways...

what is up with Pryor?

  

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8. "Pryor is a practice phenom"
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But hard to figure on game day. He doesnt seem to 'fit' the offense meaning his natural movements seem out of sync with what they want him to do. Garcon (who they should have signed) was a fit, quickly in and out of breaks, tough and could catch in traffic Pryor is slow in and out and drops too many passes, especially in traffic. If this is a contract year and he is starting out like this!?!?

  

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10. "losing Garcon was bigger than losing DJack. "
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he catches pretty much everything thrown to him. my not get a ton of YAC, but he makes catches.

too bad about Pryor so far. i was happy we had a bigger receiver to target, we haven't had that in a long time. gotta make catches.

  

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11. "if Pryor had Garcon's hands he'd be AJ Green"
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7. "Nice to see the run game work"
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I only caught parts of the game.

  

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9. "Indeed..."
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But Fat Rob got cracked ribs so we gonna see what we got in Perine.

  

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12. "aside from a shitty pre season, he's supposed to be a better version"
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right?

  

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13. "Supposedly"
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He struggled in the first half, it was his first pro carries but did better in the second as the went to some zone read plays (which he ran at Oklahoma). I think with some more reps in practice he'll be fine. Especially with Thompson being as explosive as he is...we dont need him wearing down so Perine is going to get carries.

  

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14. "When did the D learn to tackle?"
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They made their hits stick.

Chris Thompson went off. And there was a rare Doctson sighting.

<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up...
__________________________

Jay: Look here homie, any nigga can get a hit record. This here is about respect.
Game: Like Gladys Knight.
Jay: Aretha Franklin.
Game: Word, I like her too.
Jay: Nigga...

  

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15. "That was a thorough ass kicking in all phases"
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Man that was a joy to watch.

Chris Thompson man.

Defense could not have played better. Brutally physical end to end and did not fatigue. Holding Oakland to a field goal late in the game after the PI call proved to me that these guys actually do have some heart. These tackles looked like they hurt dude.

  

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16. "The LBs look legit"
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Fewest yards allowed by the team since 1991.

  

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17. "Someone help me out.... What team was I just watching??"
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18. "Lol for real"
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19. "Week to week league. Week to week team"
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This weeks Washington team looked promising on both sides of the ball (and without starting RB or TE). Will it hold next week at KC? Who knows. But the potential is definitely there.

When Lynch was slammed to the ground to prevent getting the 1st down, that was a sign the game was going to be something different...

<-- Dave Thomas knows what's up...
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Jay: Nigga...

  

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20. "if they can play with this kind of focus and attitude consistently..."
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...anything is in play.

For as messy as the offseason got, there's no denying how much better this defense is. Under Gruden we've consistently questioned what this team's "identity" was. But maybe they're finally realizing it, maybe they're determined to be physical-first on both sides of the ball.

  

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21. "the fuck got into VD?? he looked washed as FUCK in Denver."
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wait...y'all goin to Oklahoma???

I took the game by Storm, just to X-Men out - Ab Soul

  

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22. "a lot of great HGH"
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23. "he was great last year too"
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I don't know what was going on in DEN but he's still got speed.

  

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24. "think we can keep the momentum going tonight?"
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i think we're gonna have a tough time getting the offense going. Oakland doesn't exactly have great D, KC does. and it's at Arrowhead.

i'm not sure i'm gonna make it to the end unless somehow we're still in it.

  

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25. "if we win I'll believe we're actually good"
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26. "Huge test"
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no idea what to expect

  

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27. "gutsy performance"
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within inches of winning it after 2/3rds of the defense went out injured, against the only undefeated team.

  

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28. "Doctson needs to "Pro Up""
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Thus far, your first round receiver toy has played about 5 games, caught one TD, and lost a game. Until he does something special again, Doctson's reputation will be "he blew the Chiefs game in 2017"

You've got an in grown toe nail? Practice through it dogg.

  

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29. "this is his first season with actual healthy playing time"
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I've got patience for now.

  

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30. "Nah. Throw the whole receiver away. lol. "
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Throw Pryor away too.

Seriously though, I have slight concern for his long term potential if he keeps producing like this.

  

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32. "lol."
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this is a weird bridge season with the receivers

it was actually somewhat wise by Cerrato 2.0:

You had to let 88 and 11 walk, and take your lumps with two young, raw talents in order to spend the money elsewhere.

One of them will need to become a true #1 in 2018 though.

you know what's making it all work (besides Kirk not Kirking):

for the first time in almost 20 fucking years (not since Chris Samuels) they drafted a goddamn offensive line.

funny how that works.

  

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31. "You're obviously right, I'm just blown."
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Really feel like Kirk and defense deserved that one.

  

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33. "Chiefs game pros and cons:"
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Cons:
- We have no dynamic running backs. Several "guys". But watching Hunt for a full game was a revelation. Skins are talent depraved in the backfield. Perine especially may not be a pro.

- Lack of discipline from Preston Smith proved too costly in too many crucial spots. He has potential to be a special player. But committing the same penalty more than twice means it's a habit.

- Doctson blew it obviously. Hope he learns.

- lost seemingly half of the defensive starters. Hope they get healthy on bye


Pros:
- Cousins made plays and singlehandedly put them in position to win on last drive. A deserved criticism in years past was he can't improvise. He improvised down the stretch and got them where they needed to be. Masterful, shame it ended how it did.

- can't sufficiently describe my enthusiasm for this defense. Norman, Allen, Ionnidis, Kerrigan, and Swearinger in particular seem bloodthirsty. Would dread playing them if I were an opposing offense. They gassed early in the 3rd and still hung tough with a bunch of reserves chipping in. Such an inspired effort by them tonight and through last three weeks in general.

  

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34. "I realized something during this game"
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I no longer have a sneaking sense of dread of a turnover every time Kirk drops back.

I actually trust him to make plays most of the time.

  

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35. "Kirk has definitely grown a lot. "
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I am proud of him.

Gruden though, I'm still not sold. I hate undisciplined teams because you lose unnecessary games no matter how talented you are.

  

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36. "yeah"
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I wish there was some way to magically get him to accept the OC job.

He's a great OC, and not a great HC.

  

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37. "Honestly, tonight it was Preston Smith and Breeland "
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In all, I think the team seem poised. Maybe I'm wrong but I can't even recall a holding penalty

  

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38. "All Doctson had to do was control it.....Ugggghhhh!!!"
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Hopefully the kid won't let that happen, again. I'm sure Kirk has regrets throwing him the 50/50. It was perfectly thrown, though.

Also....the injuries too, young!! My gawd!! The bye couldn't have come at a better time. Man...

It takes all kinds to make up a world, son. -My pops

  

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39. "Doctson played it really well too"
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he had it until the defender (wisely) slammed down on top of him.

Doctson turned his body in mid air, secured the ball and put his other arm out. But when the defender fell on top of him it bounced out.

  

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40. "Think there will be fallout from Reed?"
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It takes all kinds to make up a world, son. -My pops

  

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41. "not unless Reed chooses to be an ass about it. "
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42. "the penalties on 3rd down cost us more than that drop."
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but that's typical skins ball. overall we looked good and could have won. just need more discipline on defense. it's hard to really complain about the defense because they are playing so cot damn well, but that shit on 3rd downs killed us.

some of the plays the D made were amazing. Norman ROCKING Kelce was fucking dope. and then the very next play Breeland came off that block and made a tackle out of nowhere. that shit was awesome.

but then we'd give it all right back and they scored TDs off the mistakes. smh.

and damnit i turned it off right after their winning kick. brushed my teeth and got in bed. looked on the phone checking the gram and shit and saw the final score of 29-20. i was so confused Haha. i hit my skins group text asking wtf happened, and they told me.

  

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43. "HTTR "
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Thought for sure we were gonna give it away again.

And I wish we still had Garcon.

  

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44. "Garcon is so special"
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how that guy hasn't made a half dozen pro bowls is beyond me. Talk about a PROFESSIONAL football player, he's the intersection of Anquan Boldin and Hines Ward - physical + great hands + incredible football IQ.

  

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45. "bc he's not nearly as good as those players"
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I love watching the guy play and he was great for WFC, but he just doesn't have the speed, quickness or route running of a guy like Boldin.

He puts up numbers with physicality, effort and attitude, and that's to his credit. But he was always a 2nd-tier WR, production-wise.

  

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46. "Clutch by Kirk (!)"
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Defense starting to show some warning signs though.

No pass rush from the 2nd quarter onwards, nearly catastrophic breakdowns in the secondary.

I like where the team is at, but only if the defense is better than it was yesterday.

  

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47. "How we feeling ya'll for Monday Night Football?"
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Kirk has yet to win a MNF game I think.

Norman bout to be out this game. Trent not 100% at all.

Defense is porous ya'll. Kirk gonna have to be Super Kirk.

What say you guys about it?

  

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48. "everyone is ready to anoint the Eagles"
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I just don't know that the Eagles are very good.

I think we keep it close.

  

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49. "they're due for a L. it's gonna be a close game, hopefully."
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if it's not a close one, then we have a problem.

  

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50. "if the defense has fallen off"
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this will be a tough game

  

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51. "Not sure why Jordan Reed gets any snaps over V Davis"
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Vernon is significantly better in almost all facets.

  

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52. "Reed seems more dynamic, but there has to be a way to play both at once "
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55. "He's a good RZ target"
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Davis seems better in nearly every facet.

  

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53. "Pitiful. Kurt kurted right on cue. "
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54. "I mean, he got hit as he threw"
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He was throwing into single coverage, it wasn't a bad read.

Eagles are the better team right now, Wentz is better than Cousins, and WFC's offensive line is walking wounded.

I thought the team played pretty well yesterday. Wentz's two houdini acts were unlucky/impressive. The PI call on third down in the end zone was total garbage and a huge call. And the two missed 3rd and ones were bad plays by Kirk and Gruden.

  

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56. "yeah the pick was definitely because he got hit."
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but how about those other occasions where he held onto the ball too damn long and took sacks?

and yeah, the Eagles are a better team. and our 3rd down play calling was classic skins shit.

and Kurt plays well at times, but not often enough or when it really counts to justify this notion that he has that he needs to be paid out the ass.

we need to move Pryor to DB. we wouldn't necessarily need him to catch the ball then, just get to it and knock it down like he's so good at doing. and our secondary is thin af right now. haha

  

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57. "Kirk is good not great"
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He would be hard to replace, but also if you pay him the $100M he's going to get next year, you know full well you're entering into a Joe Flacco situation.

It's a very hard call.



Pryor is just not a good WR.

And I like Ryan Grant but any throw that goes to Pryor or Grant needs to be going to Doctson. Get that dude as much exp as possible. That's on Gruden.

The third downs yesterday were bad football.

  

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58. "i agree with everything you just typed"
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such a frustrating existence being a WFC fan.

  

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59. "With players like Kirk, Joe Flacco, and even Matt Ryan"
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They need lots of talent around them to be great. Matt Ryan been super lucky with the talent and systems he has had around him, otherwise he'd be Philip Rivers.

Kirk needs a running game, badly. Gruden is not doing him any favors making him throw 40 times a game. The team needs a Brian Westbrook type RB but unfortunately, those type are not common.

  

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60. "Kirk is both not special and not the problem with the offense"
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I'd gladly overpay for a Matt Ryan. Most teams would, as most successful quarterbacks do need ample talent around them to be competitive. That's literally every quarterback in the league not named Brady, Rodgers, and Brees.

Which makes the decision to bank on Pryor and let Garcon and Desean go all the more confusing. Worse yet, we have a half dozen running backs on the team and none are NFL-starting caliber. It's as if they deliberately hindered Kirk's potential with his weapons.

How anyone could watch last night's game and pin the blame on Cousins is beyond me. He wasn't perfect, but boy did the run game suck, Pryor suck, and the playcalling suck.

  

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61. "I can't believe I am saying this"
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But if Kirk had the weapons now that Matt Ryan has had his whole career, we wouldn't be questioning his ability. (But I also really despise Matt Ryan and think he is super overrated so take that with a grain of salt if you must).

I do agree that the Front office nor Gruden has given Kirk much help.

Maybe this lack of a running game is from Morris. He cursed us! Shouldn't have left Morris or Darrel Young go.

PS: Gruden unfortunately is so pig headed that he doesn't realize that he really does need a Fullback for his running game to be the most effective. While none of his RBs have been of great talent, the O-Line is definitely not the best when it comes to opening holes for RBs either.

  

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62. "There was no way to pay Garcon and DJax"
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it was not an option

(unless they did something idiotic like cut Kirk with no replacement plan)

  

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64. "both, no. But I would've kept Garcon"
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63. "The four good offensive linemen are all injured as shit"
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This season might go to shit over injuries and the transition year of receivers, but the team shouldn't panic over it.

Keep Tommy Boy one more year. Try to sign Kirk (I guess?). DEVELOP DOCTSON. Maybe draft a RB (Perine and Kelly put in good effort, but neither are very talented). Let the OL heal.

Continue to try to improve the defense.

http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/33898/injuries-to-trent-williams-brandon-scherff-highlight-redskins-health-issues

Summary:

Trent Williams
A bad right knee that he said will require surgery to repair ligament damage whenever he stops playing this season.

Brandon Scherff
Grade 2 MCL sprain

Morgan Moses
two sprained ankles

Spencer Long
Knee/quad tendonitis, missed time in the last game

Bonus: starting-quality back up Ty Nsekhe has been out since week 3

  

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65. "sorry ass receivers, injuries, and rain"
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I can't call it on the turnovers, guys like Chris Thompson - and Zeke for that matter - never just cough the ball up. It was soaked out there today.

O-line was held together by scotch tape and volunteer firefighters.

I just don't get Doctson or Pryor man. At least in Doctson's case there may be hope - maybe all of these hugely costly fuck-ups by Doctson get filed away in his head and work towards making him better. The play is way too inconsistent, when he's targeted in a big spot he usually botches it somehow, either with a drop or by running the wrong route altogether. He has everything but the focus.

Pryor however is a lost cause and, even with that build, might be out of the league soon.


At Seattle next week to put the nail in this season's coffin.

  

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66. "Really disappointed in Doctson today"
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that drop was painful.

I keep yelling that he should be getting all the reps so he can develop, but damn dude.

OL injuries are a massacre at this point. Most important unit on the team and they were down their 3 best players (plus a starting caliber back up OT in Nsekhe). Even Lauvao went out and he's not that good.

"don't do anything drastic to this roster" is still my refrain.

  

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67. "A for effort"
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lol

  

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68. "I can't get over these injuries"
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Ioannidis broke his fucking hand? Third string starting OT got injured? At this point 6 of the top 7 offensive linemen were unavailable?

Two TEs injured in the first half.

This team is mostly doing the best it can, damn.

  

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69. "The injuries are killing the team."
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Man, we barely have anyone left.









And I really hate to do this, but the curse seems to be real. Just change the fucking name already and shift the energy a little bit. It's affecting every team in the city.

  

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70. "I don't necessarily believe in curses...."
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But the negative energy by keeping the name does seem to hold this team back.

  

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71. "Yeah that's really what I'm talking about. "
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I don't really believe in curses either, but we gotta get rid of this negative energy.

  

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72. "I strongly agree."
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but it won't change until Snyder dies or the courts force the change.

  

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73. "i know, how shitty. "
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i wish Dan would get his head out of his ass and realize that he is a detriment to this team/organization that he claims to love so much. he drives me nuts.

  

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74. "I know we all know this but"
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Egos like Dan Snyder’s are fundamentally incapable of admitting something like that.

  

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75. "Ugh, I know..... Damnit "
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76. "DOCTSON CAUGHT ONE."
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Kirk!

two ice cold throws to finish the GW drive.

  

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77. "the signature Cousins/Gruden win"
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I’m in complete shock. Defense was coached up and executed masterfully, KC saves the season, Doctson finally delivered on his potential. Time will tell if it’s the most important win of the Gruden era, but it’s without question the biggest. They should all be proud, a true stunner.

HAIL

  

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84. "i almost couldn't believe what i was watching there at the end."
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78. "Seattle's field goal kicker lost this game"
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79. "Defense and a timely drive by Kirk & Co won this game."
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If you hold Seattle to under 20 points in Seattle, you've done enough to win.

should out to the second string offensive line who started a 4 of the 5 positions for WFC.

  

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80. "say what you want"
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he makes just 2/3 and they win

  

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81. "Still would be less than 20 points"
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And if we’re playing hypotheticals I’ll take at least two of the team’s five injured OL back.

  

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82. "So Fat Rob and Perine just aren't very good, right?"
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I know investing a high pick in a RB is a bad idea, especially if you already have a good OL.

But damn, those mid-round RBs need to be better than these two guys.

  

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83. "they're not"
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I think we're seeing a shift in the NFL now - from thinking teams can thrive with unheralded cheap RBs to realizing the difference that an elite RB prospect can make. Zeke, Fournette, Dalvin Cook...those guys had an impact from jump.

I'm hopeful we address it in next year's draft. Barkley won't be there but Bryce Love may be

  

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85. "Worst defense...."
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And I can't blame it all on the coaching either this time. Bruce fucked this team up.

  

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86. "didn't watch, was surprised how garbage it looked"
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defense has it share of injuries but had been playing well. Shut down Russ just last week.

  

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88. "i didn't watch either, had other shit going on yesterday afternoon"
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but it didn't sound great on the radio and my group text was poppin with moans and groans, so i didn't feel like i was missin' much.

  

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89. "lol same"
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87. "linebackers and, especially, Josh Norman were awful"
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Hate to pin so much of it on Norman but he got roasted by Thielen all day. Norman is a special player, but to date his worst game as a Skin will be against Case Keenum and Adam Thielen, not, say, Dak Prescott and Dez Bryant. Just awful.

  

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90. "Thielen is good but damn. Unexpected. "
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>Norman is a special player, but to date his
>worst game as a Skin will be against Case Keenum and Adam
>Thielen, not, say, Dak Prescott and Dez Bryant. Just awful.

  

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91. "I can't blame this game on Norman, even as awful as he played. "
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He's still a corner with a specific specialty and we all know having Norman on an island like that is not gonna yield the best results. Frontline was especially terrible, linebackers included.

  

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92. "bah"
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I put this one on Kirk and Tommy Boy.

This was coaching, play calling, and rookie-level mistakes from Kirk to close out the game.

Self inflicted loss after playing a great game for ~50 minutes.

Maybe this saves them a few millions on Kirk's contract?

  

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93. "This will contribute to getting Gruden fired. An unforgivable loss."
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94. "Good coordinator"
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Bad head coach.

  

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95. "i wish i had been surprised watching how it all unfolded."
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unfortunately, i was not surprised at all. i kept waiting for them to fuck it up and pull off the L. congratulations, losers, you did it again.

  

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96. "I missed it. Been a busy weekend."
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Can someone do a quick recap?

  

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97. "I only caught the 2nd half"
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Seemed like a back and forth game. Some pretty good drives by Kirk. Great TD pass to Thompson on a wheel route (who later broke his leg and I assume is out for the year). Defense keep Brees & Co from going too wild.

Driving with less than 8 mins left I figure a FG will ice the game. Instead Kirk has a great TD pass to put them up 15 with about 5 minutes left.

Breezy marches down the field for 7. WFC gets it back. A first down or two ices the game. 3rd and 1 and Perine is stopped short.

Brees goes down and gets another TD in about a minute, leaving a minute on the clock. Converted 2 pt conv means tie game.

WFC gets the ball and immediately marches downfield. Around the 35 yd line, Kirk snaps it and immediately throws it to an empty spot near the sideline. Intentional grounding. Lose yards, lose down, 10s runoff. Sacked on the next play. OT. Offense does nothing, two long runs by Ingram, FG game over.

Apparently on the intentional grounding that lost the game, the coaches signaled for a bubble screen, Kirk thought he was supposed to throw it away, and the WR didn't know any of this and was still blocking.

Shit show all around.

  

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98. "short answer: refs fucked WFC, after Gruden's bad coaching"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2017/11/20/kirk-cousins-says-an-nfl-apology-over-intentional-grounding-really-doesnt-do-much/?utm_term=.3e49985bad7c

D.C. Sports Bog
Kirk Cousins takes you inside his brain before that intentional grounding penalty
By Dan Steinberg November 20

The NFL, according to The Washington Post’s Mark Maske, seems to believe that the last-minute intentional-grounding call that pushed the Redskins out of field goal range and led to overtime during Sunday’s loss in New Orleans was erroneously called. Quarterback Kirk Cousins wasn’t under pressure as he threw the ball to the sidelines, with the implication that he thus should not have been whistled for the crucial call.

Presented with that information Monday morning, Cousins didn’t feel much better.

“The letter to Bruce Allen or whatever they do to say, ‘We’re sorry, wrong call,’ or whatever it may be, you know, it’s tough,” Cousins said during his weekly appearance on 106.7 The Fan’s Grant and Danny program. “Because nobody will be bringing that up in February or March, when we’re making decisions about which direction to go as an organization. You know, that’s the kind of thing that we appreciate the clarification, but it really doesn’t do much. I mean, this is our careers, this is our livelihood, this is what we do. It just is frustrating when a letter is really all you get, when it had such a major impact on the direction of our lives, when we’re in it and doing it every day.”

He wasn’t being shy about that controversial call, and in fact, Cousins went into incredible depth describing the play. He acknowledged that his goal on that pass was to throw quickly and incomplete toward the sideline, but he seemed not to think that his actions met the definition of grounding.

“It was essentially like clocking it,” he told the station. “I mean, I wanted to just spike it. I wanted to throw it at Jamison shins, which would have been better. Maybe if I throw it right at Jamison’s cleats — like you do with a screen that’s dead, you just throw it at their cleats — then would have said ‘Oh, there’s a receiver in the area.’

“I just tried to do the exact same thing by just throwing it over his head out of bounds, thinking he’s still in the area, the ball’s going at him. If he had turned and looked at me and the ball had gone 10 feet over his head, they would have said ‘Oh, just an inaccurate throw.’ But I guess because he didn’t turn and look at me, they’re allowing that to affect the judgment of the call. It just gets to be a little grey.”


Why did he want to throw the ball incomplete? As Cousins explained it, when the offense works on the two-minute drill in training camp or practice, if they need a field goal and reaches field-goal range, “we pretty much play conservative at that point.” The Redskins were at the New Orleans 34-yard line, needing only a field goal to win, so Cousins thought that threshold had likely been met.


“And the call came in to run it, and so my thought process is we’re running a one back power play, and I’m gonna hand it off,” Cousins told Grant Paulsen and Danny Rouhier. “We’re running at all costs. And we had no timeouts left, so once runs it, basically we’ve got to kill it on second down and then the field-goal team comes out on third down and kicks it.”

But, according to Cousins, Coach Jay Gruden saw that the Saints defensive call would leave the scheduled run play “pretty much stuffed.” This might normally lead to an audible into a pass. Cousins didn’t go in that direction, though, because “this is a run at all costs play,” he said.

“The whole point of calling a run is to run it; if we want to throw it, we’d call a pass,” he said. “So I’m at the line of scrimmage, and I see Jay kind of on the sidelines, and I see what I think to be in the noise — I can’t really hear him — but I see him say ‘Throw it.’ And I’m assuming what he meant is the play’s dead, the run’s not gonna work, it’s not gonna get us , if anything we’re gonna lose yards. Right now on the 34-yard line, yards are precious.


“So I’m thinking ‘Well, Crowder and Doctson are over there, if I literally just throw it over their heads, they’re in the area, they’re eligible receivers,” Cousins went on. “Not to mention if I’m not under pressure it’s not intentional grounding, because I’m not really at risk of a sack. So I can just throw it in their general direction, and because I’m not under pressure and because they’re in the area, it won’t matter. And you saw what happened. I threw the ball and it looks like I’m throwing to nobody, but in my opinion — or before I threw the ball, my opinion was he’ll be in the general area.

“How do you define the difference between an inaccurate pass and intentional grounding, especially when there’s nobody pressuring you in the sense that you’re actually at risk of a sack?” Cousins asked. “So I don’t quite understand the rule, because if I threw the ball down the field and there was a receiver 15 yards away but I threw it so inaccurately that it was 15 yards away from him, that’s never called intentional grounding. So where is the difference between an inaccurate throw and intentional grounding? That was my struggle.”


Of course, the penalty was then compounded when no one seemed to realize that the clock was running after the subsequent 10-second run-off, which Cousins confirmed.

“I didn’t realize the clock was running,” he told Paulsen and Rouhier. “I didn’t know that. I was just trying to make sure our protection was good, because they brought a pressure and wanted to make sure we were picked up. And I felt like if we could get five, 10 yards here, who knows, maybe we’re back in field-goal range and we still have a chance. This is a really important play, so I was trying to make sure our protection was good so that if I had to go downfield, I could.”

Instead, Cousins was sacked, on the final play of regulation.

The quarterback also took issue with the hit that left him briefly stunned earlier in the second half, immediately before Washington’s successful fake punt. Cousins didn’t slide on the play, and was tackled short of a first down. Earlier in the game, he slid for a first down and then received a 15-yard penalty for taking a late hit.

“When you slide, you do kind of open yourself up if that DB wants to be stupid and use his helmet as a weapon, you pretty much make yourself available for him to do that,” Cousins told Paulsen and Rouhier. “Whereas if you try to juke him or just dive around him, yeah, you may get hit in the side but at least you’re not getting hit in the head. And I’d rather take a hit to the side than a hit to the head. … I thought that also could be flagged. I felt like the DB basically again used his helmet as a weapon to try to hit my head. I don’t understand why it’s not flagged. I don’t think we should have needed a fake punt. It probably should have been another penalty, because he’s doing helmet to helmet again. But I guess because I’m not sliding maybe the rule is different.”

  

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99. "Bill Callahan is the team mvp. "
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And Doctson looks nice.

  

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100. "WFC at Dallas tonight."
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right now i think we're playing better, more consistent football. but this is one of those match-ups that can't be predicted. what yall think?

  

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101. "WFC should win."
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But Dak & Dez aren't going to be garbage forever.

I give WFC the edge since Sean Lee is still out.

  

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102. "agree, slight edge."
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but with these two teams (ours in particular) anything can happen.

  

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103. "It would not surprise me at all if Dak has 350+ yds and 3 TDs"
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104. "We're lucky it's only a 10 point difference right now. "
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Halftime. Regroup, fellas. Carry that momentum into the second half. Good gracious.

  

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107. "11/22 for 102 yards"
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He had two nice TD throws and some good runs but was otherwise bad, as he's been all year.

Dallas OL and Alfred Morris are the reason their offense did anything.

  

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109. "eh, didn't really have to throw when they ran so well"
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but I agree, I'm not so sold on him being a stud QB just yet

  

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110. "he's like a step above game manager right now"
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I'd expect him to be a lot better next year.

Hopefully not.

  

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111. "He also didn't have to do much because we kept giving them the ball. "
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105. "completely dominated. These guys should be embarrassed. "
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106. "Good grief.... "
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108. "1,800 offensive line injuries finally caught up"
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For the entire first half the DAL pass rush ran STRAIGHT into the backfield every single time like the OL wasn't even on the field. By the end of the half Kirk was (wisely) going straight into a scramble as soon as he got the snap.

Turnovers killed the team. Defense didn't play great. WRs had drops. And the 3rd string OL finally caught up to them.

Oh well.

  

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112. "Offensive line was atrocious. Defense played great in the first half"
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considering the situations the offense put them in. I'm not putting this on the D at all. Like you said, turnovers killed us. We once again beat ourselves.

  

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113. "Not a fan of KC but..."
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I think I've made it know that I'm not a fan of KC. Between the 20s he's great. He puts up stats but in the end he simply cannot beat good teams. I think the sample size is large enough now to know this is a fact and not just a random sample.

There are some really bad QBs in the league, really bad. KC is a good QB however he's not $25 - $35 million per good and we see how many holes this team has to fill. So the organization has a choice:

- They pay KC his huge contract to the point they cannot put a team around him (see right up I-95 with what's going on with the Ravens)
- Or, they let KC walk

I would like to see somewhere in between. The best case scenario is they lock KC up for a 5 year deal at $20 million per. But I don't see this happening. KC has bought into his own hype and he thinks he's Top 5.

If they cannot get him for anything less than $25 million per year, let him walk. The organization has been rebuilding for so long what's another few years.

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114. "It's a really, really tough spot"
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The Flacco comparison is a good one. Kirk is in that 2nd/3rd/middle tier of QBs. He can't make mediocre players into stars (Like Brady, Brees, Russ, etc), but he can put up good numbers (even his RZ is getting better) with great players around him.

When you have a ton of money tied up in your QB, the wild card is whether you can draft well. If you do, you can create value and talent without using up a ton of money.

Flacco's contract is a big reason the Ravens have fallen off, but so is Ozzie Newsome's drafting. Ozzie's been on a run of mediocre and bad drafting for a while now. And if you're not finding a starter or two in the mid/late rounds, your roster is going to get real expensive (or real bad) real quickly. Ask the Giants.

So if WFC actually had a front office that could draft, I think it would be smart to pay KC whatever he wants and surround him with great weapons.

But given that the GM is fucking Bruce Allen, that plan won't work.

Shame but not a surprise that Allen and Snyder chased out of town the only competent drafter this franchise has had in 20 years.

Another wild card in this is where WFC ends up in the draft and which QBs are available. If they have a shot at a good QB prospect, let Kirk walk.

It's also not a surprise that those two morons have managed to create a nearly unprecedented muddled QB situation after being handed a viable starter.

  

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115. "Agree 100%"
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116. "I agree with all of this, even down to not being a huge fan. "
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But he's still pretty good, but if we pay him 30 million he'll be terrible because he won't have a team.

  

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117. "though it is murky, I would encourage you to look around"
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and then reconsider how valuable Cousins is

Now, to be clear, I echo almost everything you said except for the part about beating good teams. I think he's totally capable of beating good teams, but he's handcuffed by mediocre coaching and less-than-stellar talent around him. And, the truth is, that's most quarterbacks in the league = only as successful as their coaching and surrounding talent. You take a guy like Case Keenum - a career backup - and equip him exceptional coaching, pass catchers, and defense, and voila, you've got a Pro Bowler on your hands.

So I would encourage you to take a look around at every team and then make a comparison to our situation.


The obviously better situations:
Patriots
Packers
Steelers
Saints
Eagles

The probably better situations:
Chargers
Panthers
Seahawks

The comparable situations:
Vikings
Cowboys
Lions
Giants
Texans

that still leaves so many quarterbacks that Cousins is obviously better than, and a good handful that are open for debate.

If there's a way to keep him "affordably", and still draft and nurture talent, then I personally feel you have to.

People love to say that Joe Flacco handcuffed the Ravens because of the contract,but Joe Flacco handcuffed the Ravens because he just sort of sucks. In addition, there were three hall of famers on that last Ravens Super Bowl team on the defense - Reed, Ray, Ngata - and they all split, and Ozzie Newsome has whiffed on a lot of picks of late. It's more complex than "well they can't pay anybody." They brought in Eric Weddle and Elvis Dumervil via free agency and are still paying Suggs, and they also drafted CJ Mosley. The matter isn't money, it's that they suck at offense from the top of the organization to the bottom and historically have.











  

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118. "well it's nice having my Sundays more free now."
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cause there's really no need to watch this shit.

  

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119. "WFC Players have quit and I'm ok with that."
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Don't kill yourself (literally) in a season that is effectively over.

I'd like to see better coaching from Tommy Boy. But I'd also like a million dollars, so.

  

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120. "yeah but when you go half ass in preparation and in play is when"
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you get hurt. i don't want to see any more damn injuries. we need to have at least a few players left at the end of the season.

  

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121. "I wish the reports/hoax would have been true. Redhawks is"
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a pretty dope name. work on that logo a little bit and i think it's a winner.

  

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smutsboy
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122. "Yup, I like it. "
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My top vote would be for Redtails. I generally don't love militarism, but it would go over well with a DC team.

Or the Warthogs. (again, militarism but also a reference to the team's glory days)

  

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KiloMcG
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123. "I see where you're coming from, but I think I like Redhawks better than ..."
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of those.

Warthogs would be hilarious though,but it sounds amateurish.

  

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KiloMcG
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124. "This team is so damn frustrating."
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Can't win when it matters, and now we can't lose. Wtf. Now these useless wins will effect draft status.

It's a never-ending cycle of disappointment.

  

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125. "they will finish 8-8, as middle of the road as you can be"
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Division record will be 2-4

They’ll have wins over
Cardinals
Broncos
Giants 2x
Rams (woa)
Seahawks
Raiders
Niners

Bunch of dogshit teams and the Rams.

  

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KiloMcG
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126. "Smh, almost "
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127. "Why does Gruden still have his job? He sucks. "
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128. "I don’t think he sucks but I don’t think he’s at all special eithe..."
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The truths:

1) he can definitely scheme offenses and usually has his team ready to play

2) he cannot field a competent defense to save his life and his team is sometimes completely unprepared to take the field altogether (Packers playoff game, Giants season finale last year, etc)

He’s as good as he is bad.

  

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KiloMcG
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129. "Just like Kurt. They're perfectly for each other. "
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>He’s as good as he is bad.

  

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B.J.S.301
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130. "Honestly yo. Even will all the positives you posted. "
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I'm not sold. I've never been sold on this man.

His weaknesses are obvious and he has not shown not one iota of improvement as a coach. His teams show a lack of discipline, they lack preparation, he can't run the ball (even with a good RB), and he is very slow to make any adjustments to his game plan. Nope. Is he the worst coach ever, no. But even bad coaches can make a playoff berth. He's a bad coach.

He might be a decent coordinator. His offenses are pretty good. But all the rest of the phases of being a good head coach, he lacks. He has very poor leadership skills for a head coach.

  

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131. "If they give KC $30 million a year, 8-8 will be the high mark"
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This team still has so many holes that giving KC that much money would hurt the team. That being said, Bruce Allen is this team's biggest issue.

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132. "Given the weapons, Kirk could be in that 2nd tier of QBs"
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however, given your final comment, it's unlikely this ever happens.

Allen sucks. I almost prefer Cerrato who was at least worth the comic relief. Allen just seems like the biggest shit head in the world.

  

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133. "Allen is a chode, but his draft record is no better/worse than Scott McC"
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The deserved criticism of Bruce Allen is that he's an arrogant asshole. And he is.

But he's had two drafts and McCloughan had two drafts and none of these past four drafts were especially great:

2014, Bruce Allen as GM:
(no first)
2- Trent Murphy
3- Morgan Moses
4 - Bashaud Breeland

2015, Scot McLoughan as GM:
1 - Brandon Scherff
2 - Preston Smith
3 - Matt Jones
4 - Jamison Crowder

2016, Scot Mcloughan as GM:
1 - Josh Doctson
2 - Sua Cravens
3 - Kendall Fuller
4 - Matt Ioannidis

2017, Bruce Allen as GM:
1 - Jonathan Allen
2 - Ryan Anderson
3 - Fabian Moreau
4 - Samaje Perine


honestly, every one of those drafts looks the same to me - a surprising hit or two, one or two obvious duds, and no special players. Teams that take steps towards continued success usually had a year or two where they took a transformational player, one who can occasionally win a game by himself. In four years, we haven't taken one guy who matches that description.

Allen can take credit for Morgan Moses and Breeland, great picks given the spots they were taken, but in no universe was Trent Murphy worth a 2nd round pick.

McCloughan deserves credit for Scherff I guess, and his biggest hit was nabbing Crowder in the fourth, a very good player. But the back-to-back busts of Doctson and Cravens sets us back a bit, Matt Jones is awful, and Preston Smith should be giving you more for a second round pass rushing prospect.

Honestly, much like Jay Gruden who is as bad as he is good, Allen's record is as good as McLoughan's was bad. Translation: Allen is as mediocre as everyone else in the building.

The most unforgivable decision Allen has made was obviously just not figuring out the Kirk thing. That, along with not finding a way to keep Garcon, is bad.


  

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134. "McCloughan's record before and during DC speaks for itself. "
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In DC, he more than any other single person is responsible for maybe the single most important development in the franchise since Joe Gibbs unretired: actually building a goddamn offensive line. In two years he rounded out one of the best young OLs in the league.

>2014, Bruce Allen as GM:
>(no first)
>2- Trent Murphy
>3- Morgan Moses
>4 - Bashaud Breeland

Good draft.

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>2015, Scot McLoughan as GM:
>1 - Brandon Scherff
>2 - Preston Smith
>3 - Matt Jones
>4 - Jamison Crowder

Also UDFA Quinton Dunbar

Very, very good draft, even with Smith looking mediocre. The Scherff pick was roundly criticized for taking a guard that high, now he's one of the best guards in the league and 2nd best OL on the team.

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>2016, Scot Mcloughan as GM:
>1 - Josh Doctson
>2 - Sua Cravens
>3 - Kendall Fuller
>4 - Matt Ioannidis

Plus Rob Kelly as a UDFA is good value.

Both Cravens and Doctson have had injury problems, but Doctson showed some great talent this year and Cravens had a good rookie year until he got hurt.

If you want to call them busts, that's up to you.

Ionnidis was a strong starter until he got hurt. That's a good 4th round pick.

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>2017, Bruce Allen as GM:
>1 - Jonathan Allen
>2 - Ryan Anderson
>3 - Fabian Moreau
>4 - Samaje Perine

McCloughan was fired like 7 weeks before the draft. We can be pretty sure that Allen didn't start the Redskins draft planning from scratch. Or if he did, he's stupider than I thought.

Either way, there's only one player of note here so far, he was kind of a gimmie pick when he fell to the Skins.

Perine looks replacement level. Allen and Moreau didn't contribute much this year so they're unknowns.




  

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