3. "RE: Let's start here" In response to Reply # 2 Mon Jul-24-17 09:30 PM by DJR
>In his Knick tenure he's played with a 6th man of the year, a >defensive player of the year, two all rookie first teamers, >and two former league mvps. > >And he's been to the 'offs once. >(Not counting the year he got there, cause they would've made >the 'offs with or without him) > >Now answer me this question: >Melo won 31 games last year...How much damn help does he need >to win 32?
1. 6th man and defensive player of the year......and the team did pretty well that year too. Until the 6th man and defensive player of the year disappeared in the playoffs.
2. 2 All Rookies? Yeah, that'll win you a lot of games.
3. LMAO at former MVP's. Jeez.
4. Once? Incorrect. It's 3 times. Melo made the playoffs his first 10 years. What changed? Not him.
5. They would've needed more good players to win more than 31. They had 2 good players....one who was 33 and the other who was 20.
5. "Reading is fundamental...I said Knicks tenure" In response to Reply # 3
So you guys REALLY believe that Melo had the misfortune of finding 50+ ball players, that made it to the NBA, all without having the ability to play basketball, faster than you believe that Melo plays a brand of basketball that's not conducive to winning huh? That the reason why his teammates all wind up either putting up terrible numbers or losing is mostly his fault.
What coach draws up this play...alright y'all were gonna walk the ball up, get it to the small forward on the pinch post. He's gonna hold it for a good 8-10 seconds of the shot clock, and if he cant score he'll either chuck up a bad shot, or pass it to someone\anyone in a position where they can't do anything with it. OK guys..BREAK.
And btw the boxscore will say it's everyone's fault but his.
6. "Reading is fundamental...all but one line was about his Knicks tenure" In response to Reply # 5
And the one that wasn't "10 straight playoffs", was relevant because it refutes your dumb point that his "style of play" doesn't allow a team to win. Like I said, 10 straight playoffs. Melo didn't change.
10. "who were the two former mvps. I know rose but " In response to Reply # 9
forgot the other one.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
12. "I had to look this up" In response to Reply # 11
Chauncey Billups won Finals MVP when Detroit beat the Lakers. He played about half a season for the Knicks if memory serves me right; I don't even want to look that up if it's accurate because I know it wasn't that long a tenure for him in a Knicks uniform.
"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.
13. "yeah melo's best healthy teammate in the playoffs was jr smith." In response to Reply # 12
i guess he was suppposed to beat boston or miami's big 3 with that idk.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
21. "and I know this thread is laser focused on the Knickstape BUT" In response to Reply # 13
His most successful team ever went 4-2 in the WCF, and these were the matchups:
Chauncey Billups - Derek Fisher Dahntay Jones - Kobe Bryant Carmelo Anthony - Trevor Ariza Kenyon Martin - Pau Gasol Nene - Andrew Bynum Birdman - Lamar Odom J.R. Smith - Shannon Brown Linas Kleiza - Sasha Vujacic Anthony Carter - Jordan Farmar Nobody - Luke Walton
In any event, Melo's best years were spent with a hobbled amare.
Melo shoulda welcomed Jeremy tho.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
14. "Now the is an agenda I can support" In response to Reply # 0
In a way it's kinda his fault because he didn't ring chase with the BBB down in Miami. He should've followed the Bron play and just play together with this perennial all-star friends. They'd still win chips to this day if that happened. It didn't need to happen in Miami as they could've told the front office in whatever city they wanted to play in to just clear cap space.
Four prime all-stars franchise cornerstones play together for one team wrecking shit but back to the heart of the post...
In Melo's defense he's played in two shit systems with the most recent one the triangle. They should've kept Fisher as coach based on their record absent the alleged girlfriend stealing. Melo's had help but should've been forceful in getting the right help keeping pressure on the front office.
15. "if melo woulda joined the heat, them dudes woulda had to sacrifice" In response to Reply # 14
even more salary. i believe they made 15mil year 1. Now we talking 11million and obviously less money per in subsequent years as well.
Its funny tho how we criticize players for joining superteams and then criticize those that didn't when they dont win.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
17. "so we not talking about 6th men and dpoy of the year no more?" In response to Reply # 16
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
23. "right, homie said 18ppg rose like thats a good thing." In response to Reply # 20
granted, i'm not pleased with the way melo played last season, but he doesn't even make the top 5 problems from last season list.
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
34. "Phil's meddling, Noahs inability to do anything conducive to winning" In response to Reply # 30 Wed Jul-26-17 10:03 PM by Cenario
Rose's inability to pass the ball, a lack of accountability in the front office, constantly changing offensive systems direction
It's funny that all the things you mentioned applied more to rose than melo
Ball stopping. - Malcontent. - No defense.
Lol that was the starting PG numbnuts
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
35. "RE: Phil's meddling, Noahs inability to do anything conducive to winning" In response to Reply # 34
>It's dint that all the things you mentioned applied more to >rose than melo > >Ball stopping. >- Malcontent. >- No defense. > >Lol that was the starting PG numbnuts
36. "Right roses 18ppg is a good thing but Melo s 22 were bad?" In response to Reply # 35
Lol
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
22. "paul pierce hit more clutch shots" In response to Reply # 0
wait are you guys serious
this is for real?
paul pierce is a CHAMPION.
melo would not have led a team to a ring w kG and ray allen..hed be shooting long 2s with multiple defenders on him instead of passing to the greatest 3 pt shooters of all time ever
------------------- I wanna go to where the martyrs went the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...
25. "lol there are a lot of ludicrous statements on both sides smh" In response to Reply # 22
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
27. "Based on his play with the US Olympic teams, I'm sure his game would..." In response to Reply # 0 Wed Jul-26-17 06:39 PM by Creole
have been more well-rounded had he had the opportunity to play with better talent. He's never really had a true #2 unless you wanna count Earl Boykins. LMAO
Unfortunately, his defensive effort may have hinged upon his interest level at the time. He was apparently unmotivated on a consistent basis.
Until the last few years, he was the 1st of 2nd most best scorer in the league. Could take it off the dribble, spot up, and post up. I will never forget a spin move, on the low post, that a rookie Melo put on Kobe.
I've been a fan of his since his Cuse days cuz he was a B'more product. Yes. I've wanted him to have succeeded on a different level but there are a. Inch of factors why that was never realized. He definitely plays a major role in that.
37. "As a resident Knicker hater, this post is hilariously wrong..." In response to Reply # 0 Wed Jul-26-17 10:44 PM by mtbatol
The Knicks sucks for a variety of reasons, Melo's ISO ball isn't one of them.
I'm missing how many years NYK was a top-tier threat since the end of the Ewing era. Melo made deep playoff runs with adequate help & coaching. LOL @ DRose & whoever else on that team being said help being ingredients for that.
38. "Do I understand correctly what you are saying? If so, it's dumb AF" In response to Reply # 0
I mean I am not saying he hasn't been part of the problem but to say that he is the problem is ludicrous! I mean he is what he is, a guy who fills it up and be a good No. 2 player on a good team. The fact that they have tried to make him so much the focus is only kinda sorta his fault and apart from one season they have not surrounded him with much. Before Jackson arrived they had a recipe for short-term success and predictably it only lasted a short while. Since Jackson arrived you could tell he didn't want to build around Melo and basically just said, OK, fuck it, Dolan wants to repeat mistakes so let's REALLY repeat them. Buying old guys, leaning too heavily on guys who don't have it or never had it, etc. The Knicks are fucked. Now I don't think Melo is the No. 1 guy on a title team but he mostly did what was asked of him and produced. Ball-stopping? Sure. But if they put some unselfish wing like Andre Iguodala in his place, would the team have been substantially better? Shit if you put Kawhi Leonard on these Knicks teams, they would still just be a first/second round tweener. The rosters, for the most part, have sucked.
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