This topic was spurred by my brother and I discussing how many HOFers are here in DC and weighing the likelihood that one, some, or all will ever win championships. By my count DC definitively has 3 and probably has 4 HOFers here right now:

Nats: Scherzer, Harper
Caps: Ovechkin
Wizards: Wall (maybe)
Skins: hahaha

looking around, I'm thinking of some cities that are even more loaded (Roethlisberger, Antonio, Tomlin, Crosby, Malkin for instance)

how many overall HOFers are in your city? And what city is most loaded with them? It really may be Pittsburgh

Very premature on a lot these and i usually dont gdt involved with hof talk but for fun....

Melo,
Judge, CC
Thor, Cespedes
Eli, Odell

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>Judge
>Thor, Cespedes

Cespedes isn't young at all, so you're looking at a 31 year old who peaked as a four win player. He's a lot of fun, but I'll actually be grouchy if he comes even close - unless he goes full Bonds for his 30's.

Aaron Judge has fewer than 500 plate appearances, so he doesn't belong anywhere near this conversation. He's also not actually that young, which matters when you're a bat-only guy who'll need to pile up counting stats.

I guess Syndergaard is actually that talented, but it feels like a jinx to talk about. Out of the three, he's the one who might not even be playing baseball in 3-4 years because pitching, man.

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NY fans are prone to fits of unbridled enthusiasm when up and coming players break out to fast starts.


>Cespedes isn't young at all, so you're looking at a 31 year
>old who peaked as a four win player. He's a lot of fun, but
>I'll actually be grouchy if he comes even close - unless he
>goes full Bonds for his 30's.

six win (think you were looking at just the Detroit portion of his 2015 WAR, I missed that too before I took a second look). Don't sell our guy short!


>Aaron Judge has fewer than 500 plate appearances, so he
>doesn't belong anywhere near this conversation. He's also not

Overruled! The court will allow the testimony to be heard.

(sorry, my unbridled enthusiasm got me temporarily caught up in the whole judge pun thing.)


>I guess Syndergaard is actually that talented, but it feels
>like a jinx to talk about. Out of the three, he's the one who
>might not even be playing baseball in 3-4 years because
>pitching, man.

AAAAAAAARGH!!!! Don't even say that shit out loud man! what are you trying to do to me?!?

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Thanks for that. I was being sloppy.

>Overruled! The court will allow the testimony to be heard.
>
>(sorry, my unbridled enthusiasm got me temporarily caught up
>in the whole judge pun thing.)

This (joined with your supplemental point about Dan "got busted when UPS delivered weed to his house" Pasqua) always amazes me. Yankees fans should have a keener understanding of good young talent and a more patient discernment process as somebody turns "bananas rookie performance" into "bananas career" but somehow it's the opposite. Like, they're more excited about Aaron Judge than I am about Miguel Sano. That's crazy to me.


>AAAAAAAARGH!!!! Don't even say that shit out loud man! what
>are you trying to do to me?!?

Apologies. I assumed that I was performing an un-jinx. Calling young pitchers future HOFers seems courting disaster to me.

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>Thanks for that. I was being sloppy.

yeah, Bref doesn't include a season total line for split seasons in its player value table like it does on its standard stats table so it's easy to get thrown off like that (I'm assuming you were looking at Bref due to that) It's happened to me a few times while looking up other players too.


>This (joined with your supplemental point about Dan "got
>busted when UPS delivered weed to his house" Pasqua) always

LOL, that sounds kinda familiar but I didn't even remember that about Pasqua.


>amazes me. Yankees fans should have a keener understanding of
>good young talent and a more patient discernment process as
>somebody turns "bananas rookie performance" into "bananas
>career" but somehow it's the opposite. Like, they're more
>excited about Aaron Judge than I am about Miguel Sano. That's
>crazy to me.

I mean it kinda makes sense, Yankees were so good for so long that when they finally fell off it created a really huge void to fill, and more than anything the Yankees were just plain *boring* last year, so Yankee fans were craving for something to get excited about again. Judge's big breakout coinciding with the team playing well & becoming fun to watch again couldn't have been timed any more perfectly to stir up frenzied excitement among Yankee fans. Of course, Yankee fans got crazy excited about Kevin Maas too, so there's that.


>>AAAAAAAARGH!!!! Don't even say that shit out loud man! what
>>are you trying to do to me?!?
>
>Apologies. I assumed that I was performing an un-jinx. Calling
>young pitchers future HOFers seems courting disaster to me.

yeah I know. I just looked at calling him a HOFer a more benign case of getting way ahead of projecting how great a talented young player will actually become than courting career-ending disaster. sorry, all the guys in our rotation dropping like flies just has me a little on edge right now.

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But I can definitely add Lundquist and Tavares on the list

MLB - Justin Verlander, Miguel Cabrera, not sure about Ian Kinsler. 2000 hits, 300 HR, and 1000 RBI look like locks right now. Those are heavy numbers for a 2B.

NHL - Henrik Zetterberg

NFL - prolly none. Stafford could finish with insane numbers tho that cant be ignored.

NBA - lol

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M's: Cano and King Felix
Seahawks: Russell Wilson, Pete Carroll, Earl Thomas, Bobby Wagner, Richard Sherman
Storm: Sue Bird
Sounders: Clint Dempsey, Chad Marshall, Brad Evans (is there a USA Soccer HOF?)

>M's: Cano and King Felix
>Seahawks: Russell Wilson, Pete Carroll, Earl Thomas, Bobby
>Wagner, Richard Sherman
>Storm: Sue Bird
>Sounders: Clint Dempsey, Chad Marshall, Brad Evans (is there a
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in the previous replies so I did as well. obviously some of those players need more stats, awards, etc. but the people i mentioned have either locked in the HOF or are off on a HOF trajectory.

not sure what the "lol" is for.

>in the previous replies so I did as well. obviously some of
>those players need more stats, awards, etc. but the people i
>mentioned have either locked in the HOF or are off on a HOF
>trajectory.
>
>not sure what the "lol" is for.
>
>

None of those dudes are "locks" Earl Thomas has a shot but you see how long Kenny Easley had to wait. Sherman is on a HOF trajectory but he's not a lock.

Unless Russell ends up with 3 or 4 rings he's not getting in because his stats aren't that impressive. Ditto for Carroll. Wagner is good but he needs several more years playing at an elite level and linebackers tend to fall off quick.

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"locks" i referenced were sue bird, dempsey, btw.

as long as russ plays 10 total years at the level he's played at thus far, he's in. you're just wrong about that. he's beloved by voters and his stats will be good enough and he has a ring and has "overcame" his size. he's on pace to OBLITERATE the stats of Troy Aikman. i realize Aikman has rings, but a ring and a statistical obliteration of Aikman and a few other already HOF'ers will easily lock in Russ barring injury.

it'll be adjacent to FC Dallas stadium

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It is WAY too early to even think about this for any of the Wolves young studs. Now that Peterson's gone, there are no Vikings who look to be HOF locks. Lot of very good players and some young guys who could maybe go either way, but nobody with a bonafide HOF credentials right today. Like I wouldn't be stunned if Harrison Smith wound up in Canton someday, but he could also get hurt and forgotten.

The only possible exceptions are Ryan Suter and Joe Mauer. I don't see Mauer's late career rebounding to anywhere close to his prime, so his only shot may be a late selection by the veterans committee. As beloved as he is locally, Mikko Koivu's not seeing the HOF, but Suter potentially could if he remains healthy and consistent.


*Oh, if WNBA counts, Maya Moore's a lock.

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... means that every MLB player here with under 6-7 years of service time is way too early to even mention as a possibility. That includes Bryce Harper. He's got a year and a half to get to seven years, and he's like nine wins behind Mauer - which is doable for him.

Trout's good, though. All he needs to do is make it to the HOF-mandated ten seasons and not ritually murder any children.

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I saw Posnaski had Mauer at 51% chance of getting in last fall, and that number's probably not going up.

I have no idea how anyone can look at someone five years into their career and make a HOF projection. I don't have that kind of confidence.

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And thats not just as a Preds fan bitter over how he left.

Three all star games, just one norris trophy finalist year, i'm not sure that gets him a nod

This is IF he keeps up the same level of consistency. It's a long shot, but he's probably the closest thing the Wild have to a HOFer on the current roster. I guess there's Eric Staal, too, though he seems like more of a Hall of Very Good type.

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Staal kind of slowed down after a hot start but if he has more seasons like last year, he can erase that lull in the middle of his career. Another guy that took too many hits to the head it seems, unfortunately. He peaked quickly and his best years were easily HOF worthy, he was a savage in Carolina for a while. Parise has some huge years in Jersey and he was a player's player. First-line talent, fourth-line work ethic. He hasn't been able to stay healthy and you wonder if his body can withstand what it will take to get back to the top. Probably not.

Suter will have to play a long, long time at this level to get in. Nothing sexy about his game but he is in great shape and always makes the smart play. That kind of guy won't get in with a 15-year career where most of it is good, it has to be more like 20.

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thats only one missing

MAYBE Terasenko when it's all said and done for the Blues.

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Buster Olney said he thinks he's a HOFer for all the ways he impacts the game, while Keith Law argued that despite his defensive brilliance his stats are not close enough to other HOF catchers to merit induction.

To me he's absolutely a HOFer. He's easily the best defensive catcher I've ever seen, is masterful at managing a pitching staff, turned himself into a very good hitter and put up a couple of MVP-caliber seasons, and was a key player on 3 world series teams and performed extremely well with big postseason moments & won 2 rings.

I think he'll likely get in, although I don't know if it's a sure thing and it might take several years on the ballot if he does get elected. But to me he's a no-brainer.

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and I thought he was a shoe in for the reasons Buster stated. Over the last couple years, I have increasing been hearing talking heads more and more who don't think it's such a sure thing...and they usually end up picking apart his offensive numbers.

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Watt, Lechler
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Altuve and Correa (Maybe)

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Thomas Davis, Greg Olsen, Luke Kuechly

Giants: Posey & Bumgarner

A's: none

Raiders: none (potentially Mack & Carr but it's early)

Niners: Mayyyybe Bowman? but after that Achilles I'm not so sure

Dubs: Steph, Klay, KD, Dray

Sharks: Jumbo Joe, maybe Marleau

I'm not actually sure if he would be or not. I want to say yes, but I'd need to look up what his comps are and how soon they made the HOF.

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he is more than stats plus his career had that late Buffalo hiccup that hurt his stats.

if we're including managers and coaches

if coaching is included

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>Niners: Mayyyybe Bowman? but after that Achilles I'm not so
>sure

Chris Paul gone. Hmm......

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so nah

Pujols, Trout and Getzlaf. Perry maybe although he is at a crossroads where he can finish the job or fade into Bolivian (c) Mike Tyson

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but right now it's just Kershaw

I think I'm more interested in peak than the people that actually have a vote in this, but Utley's a Hall of Famer to me. Five year peak of 2005-2009 of nearly 40 WAR. That's tough to beat. But it's also 80% of his career, so it'll be tough for him.

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He ranks 11th among 2B, of the 10 guys ahead of him, nine are in the HOF. I am not saying he is a first-ballot, far from it, but yes I do think he will get in eventually.

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talk about a peak - 3 years of GG & SS awards

and the defensive numbers look a lil better than Roberto's too

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JAWS says Bobby Grich and Lou Whitaker are HOFers, so that's not an indicator that he's actually going to get in. Counting stats still matter to HOF voters, and Utley is not going to have the numbers to make it. At this rate he's probably not even going to reach 2000 hits.

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Like in basketball I would very seriously consider Ben Wallace's candidacy for similar reasons. Took a while to break in, beat up his body, but at his best he was a DPOY and the fulcrum of a very effective machine.

Yeah, Grich is the one guy in the ten ahead of him that isn't in the HOF. How about the other nine?

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>Yeah, Grich is the one guy in the ten ahead of him that isn't
>in the HOF. How about the other nine?

Well, let's see: there are two guys who each hit .400 + won triple crowns; a 7x batting champion with 3000 hits + an MVP; a guy with 3300 hits and a .333 BA, an MVP + 4 rings; a guy who hit .320 with over 2800 hits + an MVP; another guy who hit .316 with over 2800 hits, won an MVP + 4 rings; a 2x MVP with 5 gold gloves + almost 700 SB; a guy with an MVP, 9 gold gloves and a home run crown; and a current player who has almost 500 more hits, 100 more doubles, almost 40 more HR + a batting average 30 points higher than Utley's who is also 4 years younger & still playing at an All-Star level. Oh and Grich has 4 gold gloves, a HR title, a slugging crown, and a career 16 WAR edge over Utley as well.

but yeah aside from all that Chase fits right in with those guys.


>Like in basketball I would very seriously consider Ben
>Wallace's candidacy for similar reasons. Took a while to break
>in, beat up his body, but at his best he was a DPOY and the
>fulcrum of a very effective machine.

Didn't you say a ~5 year stretch of dominate seasons in basketball was too short and that to you a HOFer should play at that level for ~10 seasons? and since you were using sports-reference.com statistical HOF projections for your baseball argument, bball-ref's HOF probability has Wallace at 45.3%, placing him 115th all-time a few spots below Joe Johnson, while Dwight Howard is at 99.1%, placing him 52nd all-time, a few spots ahead of McHale, Cowens & McAdoo.

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he got a late start and got banged up, which is what casts doubt on his candidacy, but just look at the guys in our lifetime. at his best he is there with sandberg. for me alomar was the best, especially in terms of defense. historically it isn't exactly a loaded position.

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i see no discernable difference between Utley's career and Kinsler's

especially since Kinsler is still good.

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The analogy says more about Kinsler than it does about Utley - namely that they both could finish their careers as plausible Hall of Famers.

I'm a little bit surprised that his name didn't come up prior to this. Detroit's got two easy picks with Cabrera and Verlander, a strong "maybe" in Kinsler, and the wildcard of Justin Upton - who started a strong collector-type career at at 19. If he decides to stick around for another decade, his counting numbers might be tough to ignore.

That's a huge "if" though. Really, it's just a reminder that guys who start their career at 19-20 and remain productive with occasional all-star years have a good chance of just ending up with some big milestones.

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and he really has been awesome for us. flipping prince for him looks like highway robbbery at this point.

altho in the interest of honesty, he was REALLY bad in the playoffs in 2014

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I was seriously scanning this post for Detroit's list because, even with that window looking pretty closed, it must be really fun to have two absolute lock Hall of Famers in the starting lineup.

Guess I need to read closer. Sorry about that.

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theyve given us fun memories, but the redwings had 3-4 *homegrown* HOFers at all times from 92-2016 and they turned that into 4 Cups

the Tigers' lack of a ring is a "thing" unfortunately

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>theyve given us fun memories, but the redwings had 3-4
>*homegrown* HOFers at all times from 92-2016 and they turned
>that into 4 Cups
>
>the Tigers' lack of a ring is a "thing" unfortunately

This logical sequence particularly holds up. Too bad. I'm mostly indifferent to which teams win a title if it's not the Twins but it'd be swell if they'd snagged that Royals title from a couple years ago.

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kinsler is a very good player, i know last year he had a strong season at the plate and won a gold glove. not as many all-star games or top 20 MVP voting finishes, no world series, etc. i would say his candidacy is not as strong as utley's overall, but it's not terrible. again relative to position here, if we were looking at these guys as 1B or CF, it's a different story. i don't think kinsler will go to the hall but he could ultimately have a case.

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>not as many all-star games or top 20 MVP voting finishes

If people whiffed on understanding how good a player was the first time around, there's no reason to enshrine that as hard evidence.

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And before anyone doubts Peters' resume, I'll remind you that he's been an ALL-PRO 6 times (same # as recently elected HOFer Walter Jones) and elected to the Pro Bowl 9 times. He's still playing at a very high level at one of the most important and demanding positions in the NFL. His peak is up there with anyone's.

I'm not quite ready to anoint The Process, Simmons, and Fultz. Not quite yet...

But yeah he has a chance.

All the Philly teams are rebuilding now so it's hard to say. Maybe the Sixers have some guys, maybe not. The Phillies might but no one apparent yet. Eagles maybe Wentz will get there, we dunno. The Flyers should have some guys but their established players had down years. Giroux maybe but if his career ended today there is no way. Voracek is a little further than that. Simmonds had a slow start to his career, I give him an outside shot only because he is improving. We haven't seen enough of their young D and they just drafted Patrick.

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Go back and look at the film, he absolutely mauled folks and gave our QBs all day to throw. For his size, he's one of the more athletic LT's to play the game.

I wasn't comparing the two by the way - just mentioning the 6 All-Pro selections as a frame of reference for accomplishments.

Most fairly competent football writers would agree he's a lock for the HOF. Of course, the NFL HOF has a bizarre set of standards as John Lynch and Morten Anderson made it to the HOF before Brian Dawkins. Such a joke.

just saying he isn't a "lock" but rather he has a much better than not chance. i wouldn't say he is on the elite level of like jones or munoz but maybe the next level down. his predecessor i thought was underrated also, tra thomas almost never let mcnabb get touched from the blindside

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