it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
21. "yea it was hard to choose given his dominance " In response to Reply # 15
but when's the last time a player averaged a triple double in the finals? When's the next time a player will even average a trip-dub in the finals? Let alone with *that* kind of efficiency from the filed and 3-point line?
44. "RE: Triple double doesn't necessarily make something the best" In response to Reply # 43
>Like, hypothetically, 35,8,8 is better than 20, 10, and 10. > >Lebron was phenomenal this year. Kevin Durant averaged 35 ppg >on 55% shooting and won. "Not a triple double though!"
Sure - except Lebron didn't average 20ppg - he averaged 33+ppg which basically neutralized KD's ppg output.
KD had a truly great NBA finals - just not quite as good as Bron's which ranks among the best all-time. There's no sense in trying to underplay how significant his performance was - you'll never see it again (and you haven't seen it before).
45. "RE: Triple double doesn't necessarily make something the best" In response to Reply # 44
>>Like, hypothetically, 35,8,8 is better than 20, 10, and >10. >> >>Lebron was phenomenal this year. Kevin Durant averaged 35 >ppg >>on 55% shooting and won. "Not a triple double though!" > >Sure - except Lebron didn't average 20ppg - he averaged 33+ppg >which basically neutralized KD's ppg output. > >KD had a truly great NBA finals - just not quite as good as >Bron's which ranks among the best all-time. There's no sense >in trying to underplay how significant his performance was - >you'll never see it again (and you haven't seen it before). >
Yeah, I'm just saying we can't write off something as being a contender here just because it wasn't a triple double. Lebron was phenomenal this year.
16. "I dunno about whole series but individual games I think ..." In response to Reply # 0 Mon Jun-19-17 07:22 PM by ConcreteCharlie
Zeke on the bad ankle just exploding on the Lakers in a third quarter. Magic in Game 6 of the '80 Finals, obviously! Bill Russell's Game 7s in '62 (30 and 40!!!!) and '60 (22/35!) as well as Clyde's in '70. If we are talking losing efforts about Jerry fucking West? Sick ass triple double in Game 7, incredible series. Hakeem in '95 is a series that gets overlooked, incredible performance, IMO as good as any of Shaq's Finals and possibly better. Shaq was one of the best players in the history of the Finals, Russell was probably the best.
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17. "Dream and Duncan ('99 & '03) are more deserving of Bron '17." In response to Reply # 0
Bron will go down as the better player, but you can't convince me he'd have won a chip with those supporting casts.
I mean Duncan's '03 postseason run was legendary. In the finals he played 260 mins in 6 games averaging 24/17/5+ assist/5+ blocks. The next closest guy played 50 minutes less thru the series. The 2nd leading scorer was a young, wreckless Tony who averaged 14 ppg on 38% shooting. Bron fans cry about him not having help, lol. And his run thru the Lakers/West was just as brilliant.
But back to question at hand(c), Jordan's 93 and Shaq's 2000-2002 run were among the most dominating I've ever witnessed. Tough to argue with those. Forced to pick, I'll give Jordan's domination of the Suns in '93 the nod.
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22. "from bkref: average game scores for the aforementioned performances" In response to Reply # 0
in the poll -- jordan '93: 29.6 magic '87: 28.3 shaq '00: 30.6 lebron '17: 29.6
some others that have been mentioned --
durant '17: 30.3 wade '06: 25.4 duncan '03: 24.1
dream '95: 24.5 jordan '91: 29.4 lebron '15: 24.6
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(Game Score; the formula is PTS + 0.4 * FG - 0.7 * FGA - 0.4*(FTA - FT) + 0.7 * ORB + 0.3 * DRB + STL + 0.7 * AST + 0.7 * BLK - 0.4 * PF - TOV. Game Score was created by John Hollinger to give a rough measure of a player's productivity for a single game. The scale is similar to that of points scored, 40 is an outstanding performance, 10 is an average performance, etc.)
it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes
dula dibiasi Member since Apr 05th 2004 21925 posts
Tue Jun-20-17 12:39 PM
30. "27.4 in '01, 30.1 in '02." In response to Reply # 27
>he was not fucking around at all in that threepeat, man.
not even a little bit.
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55. "Tim has outscored Shaq H2H but folks say Tim wasn't a scorer ala Russell" In response to Reply # 46
>player i've seen in my life. > >It came up the other day when i was talking with a friend >about best players I've seen in my lifetime, and Shaq in his >peak is up there with anyone.
58. "it all came together for him" In response to Reply # 46
>player i've seen in my life. > >It came up the other day when i was talking with a friend >about best players I've seen in my lifetime, and Shaq in his >peak is up there with anyone.
his finals performances were bananas because the matchups were so lopsided but he doesn't make it out of the west without kobe.
>he was not fucking around at all in that threepeat, man. even >against detroit he was getting his but Ben and Sheed didn't let him get the >fucking ball.
It's not like he was waving his arms around alone under the basket
52. "bro they were doubling and tripling kobe." In response to Reply # 50
where was all this great ball denial and doubling? the pistons being way more athletic than the lakers and kobe's hero-balling were LA's undoing, not some grand defense by those two. they couldn't handle the diesel, as proven in many head-to-head meetings.
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53. "Shaq had 76 OREB that postseason going in" In response to Reply # 52
He finished with 91, for a 40% drop in productivity in the Finals.
considering he outrebounded Yao, Duncan, and KG to get those 76 - and that there were many Thor hammers to corral - i would say they did a wonderful job of keeping the ball out of Shaq's hands.
54. "not to mention they were KILLING Shaq with the pick-n-roll.." In response to Reply # 53
Chauncey ate us alive.... lol....50% FGs 47% 3PFGs 92% FTs.... Detroit played some ferocious D and cleaned the glass. They out rebounded us by 40 over 5 games (+8/game).
35. "for one game, absolutely. for a whole series, eh, prolly not." In response to Reply # 33
out of the six games he had that monster game 6 and one other great game. he also had a quadruple double--points, rebounds, assists and turnovers--and like three kinda unremarkable but solid games. he hit the boards hard in that series.
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