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"2017 CPPlea Party Post"


          

http://tinyurl.com/l2xpldd

Remember no Timbs, no Fitteds, no Sneakers, and more importantly the maximum you rounds of drinks you can have is 2. Yep nothing more than 2. Clippers rules.

I'm going with this.... https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR31MWhsa9PzO86IU8JF2IAVZCin87QenPOLAJG8vtxLKvyiZ9bDQ

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Here for dis! LAC take an L tonight, I need all of the CP3 praise to st...
Apr 28th 2017
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Wooooh
Apr 28th 2017
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      CP75 and counting
Apr 28th 2017
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He's averaging 27 and 10 on 53% shooting......nah
Apr 28th 2017
3
RE: He's averaging 27 and 10 on 53% shooting......nah
Apr 28th 2017
5
It's a team sport. He's doing his job
Apr 28th 2017
8
Not if his job as an all-time superstar is leading his team in the offs
Apr 28th 2017
11
This from the dude who capes for Cousins.
Apr 30th 2017
69
Who's fauLt is the Game 1 L at home, w/o Gobert? I'll wait
Apr 28th 2017
6
not the guy who had 25,11, and 7 on 10-19 with 1 turnover
Apr 28th 2017
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      *and* tied the game w/ 13 seconds left
Apr 28th 2017
12
           75 and counting
Apr 28th 2017
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                pretty big gap between those two pairings though man
Apr 29th 2017
59
nah. george hill better.
Apr 28th 2017
7
Sometimes, OKP wouldn't know what a winner
Apr 28th 2017
14
Don't pester them with facts
Apr 28th 2017
20
we goin for the coach's neck too, or nah?
Apr 28th 2017
10
Yes. He's been there a minute. He makes personnel moves.
Apr 28th 2017
13
the coach-GM hybrid shit really needs to go away.
Apr 28th 2017
15
      Has it ever worked in the NBA?
Apr 28th 2017
30
Never seen a better argument for why coach/GM is a bad idea
Apr 28th 2017
16
nah thats not what i mean
Apr 28th 2017
31
Ah. Well, no, not really
Apr 28th 2017
32
      for clarity, i dont agree with the premise of the post
Apr 28th 2017
37
      RE: his team has just not been as talented as the ones he's ran into
Apr 28th 2017
40
also, Jeff Bower is the Pistons GM
Apr 28th 2017
38
We cooked off of him trading/releasing I think I counted 5 players
Apr 28th 2017
22
Austin pockets straight...
Apr 28th 2017
23
...and MFers still comment on Mike Conley's contract...SMH!
Apr 28th 2017
28
      +1
Apr 28th 2017
33
that was a trash move. spencer hawes was a trash move.
Apr 29th 2017
62
I think he will be relieved of GM duties, not coaching duties
Apr 29th 2017
60
Ball dominant PGs don't win rings in the modern era
Apr 28th 2017
17
Whew... good thing he's better than Zeke
Apr 28th 2017
21
      RBO focused...I'll check back round 10PM PST
Apr 28th 2017
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      Joe Johnson... they getting bodied by a wavy nigga.
Apr 28th 2017
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           I know I'm behind on the times
Apr 28th 2017
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                You don't just step on jokes, you Savion Glover them shits.
Apr 28th 2017
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                     That's a pretty soothing visual.
Apr 28th 2017
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      oh please literally NO ONE here agreed with that list
Apr 29th 2017
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      <CTRL+F> Pau Gasol
Apr 30th 2017
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RE: 2017 CPPlea Party Post
Apr 28th 2017
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^^^not an alias of mine. But also not incorrect.
Apr 28th 2017
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I get the OVERALL sentiment of dude never getting past the
Apr 28th 2017
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Yup nm
Apr 28th 2017
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This is about his cumulative failure. Not just this year.
Apr 28th 2017
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?
Apr 28th 2017
35
Lakers really dodged a bullet! PHEW!!!!!
Apr 28th 2017
36
Stern fucked us and him lol
Apr 28th 2017
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essentially. if the NBA didn't screw the Lakers, this would have been ov...
May 01st 2017
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I'm rooting for him tonight and (hopefully) Sunday
Apr 28th 2017
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The Ownerz
Apr 28th 2017
45
Good game. He did his thing... and still counting, CP76
Apr 29th 2017
46
He balling out, as usual. *Shrug*
Apr 29th 2017
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Post-Jack: Are Jazz the oldest up and coming team?
Apr 29th 2017
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If Gobert & Hayward are smart, they jump ship ASAP.
Apr 29th 2017
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Eh, I feel like the Jazz have a decent shot to stay in the picture
Apr 29th 2017
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      Make things interesting = not win anything.
Apr 29th 2017
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           They have a team that can make it to the second round
Apr 29th 2017
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           So Gobert or Hayward is going to be as good as Dirk?
Apr 30th 2017
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                No, they won't, but they can have as much talent as that team
Apr 30th 2017
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           lol it's not like they are going to go sign with a top 3 contender
Apr 29th 2017
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                Unless they don't want to be there long term.
Apr 30th 2017
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                     Oh, how novel, why did you leave off the Derek Harper quote?
Apr 30th 2017
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                          It's also money.
Apr 30th 2017
85
This was their year to leap....they did.
Apr 29th 2017
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Sounds like some wishing for Hayward
Apr 29th 2017
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Hayward is a small forward
Apr 29th 2017
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      They'd be really slow with Hayward, Horford and
Apr 30th 2017
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Obviously they need to adjust to continue winning but why can't they?
Apr 29th 2017
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How will they?
Apr 29th 2017
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      The draft and minimum-salary vets, I guess.
Apr 30th 2017
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           It's because of the ZOMG Utah exceptionalism
Apr 30th 2017
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Heyward and Gobert are a nice nucleus to build around, you have a...
May 01st 2017
100
Austin saw the comments in here before Game 6.
Apr 29th 2017
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The thing with pass first PG's....
Apr 29th 2017
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^^^^solid CPPlea
Apr 29th 2017
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RE: ^^^^solid CPPlea
Apr 30th 2017
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      You're blatantly making shit up now.
May 01st 2017
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Griffin needs to find his game and their bench is still shitty
Apr 29th 2017
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that's pretty much what he should be criticized for though
Apr 29th 2017
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      RE: that's pretty much what he should be criticized for though
Apr 30th 2017
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           yep i can't blame him for the last couple years
Apr 30th 2017
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This was interesting to me.
Apr 29th 2017
61
Glen "Big Baby" Davis spits the truth on CPPlea, Doc & the Clippers
Apr 30th 2017
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What YMCA is Large Infant playing at these days?
Apr 30th 2017
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What a fat loser
Apr 30th 2017
80
What a stupid interview.
Apr 30th 2017
81
SMH. A really poor man's Barkley off the court too.
Apr 30th 2017
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Cats mad at Glen but also agreeing. Lol
Apr 30th 2017
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"I know because I was part of the problem"
Apr 30th 2017
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      Sure if Michael Flynn owns being a part of the problem.
May 01st 2017
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He a bitch for this....
May 01st 2017
102
Being a bitch doesn't mean he's lying
May 01st 2017
109
Let us not forget his Game 7 performance against the Spurs
Apr 30th 2017
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Rudy has only played 5 minutes in the first half...
Apr 30th 2017
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Is Austin Rivers still in the game?
Apr 30th 2017
87
http://tinyurl.com/bgmhsto
Apr 30th 2017
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So Point God plays George Hill to a stand still in a Game 7 at home and ...
Apr 30th 2017
90
Thurl Bailey and Kiki Vandeweghe #facts
Apr 30th 2017
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Deuces, shitbird. Try not to punch anyone in the balls on the way out
Apr 30th 2017
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That's the spirit!
Apr 30th 2017
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Nut punching loser. Bye.
Apr 30th 2017
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^^^Yessir!
Apr 30th 2017
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Later. And take sorrry ass Austin and Felton with you
May 01st 2017
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*punches teammates in the nuts*
May 01st 2017
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DJ was their best player by far
May 01st 2017
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https://twitter.com/YoungNBA/status/858815488838774784
May 01st 2017
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Would love to see a breakdown of wins and losses, game 7s
May 01st 2017
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      Well I can only speak to the two I have seen in person but ...
May 02nd 2017
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This is an interesting old **swipe**
May 02nd 2017
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The individual comparison is kind of dumb
May 02nd 2017
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      yeah some of the logic is faulty but overall the point is valid.
May 02nd 2017
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      He didn't outplay Conley the 2nd time though.
May 02nd 2017
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           Per the article's stats/logic, CP3 won.
May 02nd 2017
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bentagain
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1. "Here for dis! LAC take an L tonight, I need all of the CP3 praise to st..."
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Fri Apr-28-17 10:38 AM by bentagain

  

          

stop

Immediately

Every game, they laud this dude as one of the GOAT PGs

the LAC take an L tonight

= no.

biggest fraud EVAH!

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TheRealBillyOcean
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2. "Wooooh "
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bentagain
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4. "CP75 and counting"
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3. "He's averaging 27 and 10 on 53% shooting......nah"
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He's played great basketball all series. Not his fault that Blake got hurt.

  

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5. "RE: He's averaging 27 and 10 on 53% shooting......nah"
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And this message was brought to you by the Underachieving Superstar Apologist Committee.

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8. "It's a team sport. He's doing his job"
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11. "Not if his job as an all-time superstar is leading his team in the offs"
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69. "This from the dude who capes for Cousins."
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>And this message was brought to you by the Underachieving
>Superstar Apologist Committee.

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Mar-A-Lago delenda est

  

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6. "Who's fauLt is the Game 1 L at home, w/o Gobert? I'll wait"
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9. "not the guy who had 25,11, and 7 on 10-19 with 1 turnover"
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12. "*and* tied the game w/ 13 seconds left"
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25. "75 and counting"
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Fri Apr-28-17 12:08 PM by bentagain

  

          

Thurl Bailey and Kiki Vandewege are his peer group

not Isiah and Magic.


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59. "pretty big gap between those two pairings though man"
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7. "nah. george hill better."
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14. "Sometimes, OKP wouldn't know what a winner"
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looks like if one punched them in the dick.

Hahaha... man, good thing John Wall never gets knocked out in the first round (because, you know, he's only made the playoffs three times. IN THE FUCKING EAST). Or gets hurt in the playoffs, ending his team's chances (oh wait).

  

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20. "Don't pester them with facts"
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I got no dog in this fight--wasn't a big fan at wake, neutral in the NBA--but the hate is strong here.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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10. "we goin for the coach's neck too, or nah?"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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13. "Yes. He's been there a minute. He makes personnel moves."
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He's in the pan too. http://tinyurl.com/mzlfamj

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15. "the coach-GM hybrid shit really needs to go away."
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they're 2 extremely rigorous, demanding positions which require distinct, largely non-overlapping skill sets. 1 guy handling both responsibilities is almost always a bad idea.

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30. "Has it ever worked in the NBA?"
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I don't remember if Riley held both roles the time Wade won that first ring in Miami or not.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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16. "Never seen a better argument for why coach/GM is a bad idea"
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Doc has no money to work with because of the roster already set up for him, has to make moves on the margins to win, doesn't have time to scout because he's the coach of a fucking NBA team, gets guys he's seen in actual games because that's all he really can watch, guys always disappoint and leave his team extremely vulnerable to injuries to their stars.

Thibs and SVG are worse cases since I'm not sure they've coached their new teams particularly well either, while I think Doc's done one of his jobs expertly and the other... not so much.

  

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31. "nah thats not what i mean"
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if CP3 should be winning with *these* teammates, Doc should be winning with *this* roster

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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32. "Ah. Well, no, not really"
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They're both bad arguments. Durability issues matter, and we should note that dude does just seem to break all the time. Still, he's been outmatched or hurt in pretty much every series ever. The last two years were injuries (watch that Rockets comeback in Game 6 two years ago. I have, lots of times. CP gets trapped, he makes the right passes, his guys choke), and lots of these times, his team has just not been as talented as the ones he's ran into (that Spurs team that swept him in his first year, that Memphis team that had Blake averaging 13 points a game, that OKC team that somehow won a Game 5 that was in LA's pocket).

Same applies to Doc. Blake, DJ, and Redick have not been enough against good teams, and when they might have been, CP's been hurt.

  

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37. "for clarity, i dont agree with the premise of the post"
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just asking for consistency from those who do

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40. "RE: his team has just not been as talented as the ones he's ran into"
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Fri Apr-28-17 02:02 PM by bentagain

  

          

looks at avi, looks at reply, looks at avi, looks at reply

fam, they were up 3-1 vs an inferior HOU team

yes, that HOU team was inferior.

POR, hello, POR.

HE LOST THE OKC ELIMINATION GAME!

HELLO

FOK is wrong wit ya'll

Dude has been in the league for 12 years

you're running out of CPPleas

team mates, superior comp, doc's fault, traditional PG, blah blah blah

Be a man and admit he's not as good as advertised.

You want to win in the regular season, he's in the convo

playoffs = fok and no.

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38. "also, Jeff Bower is the Pistons GM"
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SVG's role amounts to hiring and firing GMs, and giving (dis-)approval

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22. "We cooked off of him trading/releasing I think I counted 5 players"
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to bring his son in

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23. "Austin pockets straight..."
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http://hoopshype.com/salaries/los_angeles_clippers/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

  

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28. "...and MFers still comment on Mike Conley's contract...SMH!"
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33. "+1"
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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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62. "that was a trash move. spencer hawes was a trash move."
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committing good money to redick is suspect. still super one dimensional. i don't like guys that can only affect the game in one way, at least not at an eight figure salary.

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60. "I think he will be relieved of GM duties, not coaching duties"
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Hard decisions have to be made there. They are not getting the most of their big three. Some of the supporting players are too one-dimensional and/or consistent. They don't have their first-rounder this year.

If this were the NHL or NFL, Rivers would probably be fired outright. NBA it's hard to find consistent coaching and you give maybe a little more leeway to a GM because of the structure of the league.

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17. "Ball dominant PGs don't win rings in the modern era"
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Last one to do so was Isiah in '89.

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21. "Whew... good thing he's better than Zeke"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2604993&mesg_id=2604993&listing_type=search#2605114

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29. "RBO focused...I'll check back round 10PM PST"
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MFers really need to get their argument together

if CP3 is one of the GOAT PG

ain't no way he should lose to this Jazz roster running with 4 guys out of the stands

http://www.espn.com/nba/team/roster/_/name/utah

c'mon

that's alot of off-brand, journeymen, cut da check, MFers on that squad

an all-time player doesn't see an elimination game against them w/homecourt advantage

the fok are we even talking about anymore

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34. "Joe Johnson... they getting bodied by a wavy nigga."
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41. "I know I'm behind on the times"
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but I thought being wavy was a good thing.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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42. "You don't just step on jokes, you Savion Glover them shits."
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Good grief.

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43. "That's a pretty soothing visual."
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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63. "oh please literally NO ONE here agreed with that list"
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you're going extra hard with this one, especially given john wall's career to date.

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93. "<CTRL+F> Pau Gasol"
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18. "RE: 2017 CPPlea Party Post"
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Rondo undefeated against the number seed in the playoffs, people who said rondo better before can now justify it even more

numbers look crooked like king kong shook it - jdilla

  

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24. "^^^not an alias of mine. But also not incorrect. "
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19. "I get the OVERALL sentiment of dude never getting past the "
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second round...but I've watched every game of this Jazz/Clippers series and dude is playing his nuts off (pun intended). Like...I legit don't know what else he could have done to will them past Utah.

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26. "Yup nm"
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27. "This is about his cumulative failure. Not just this year."
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He fails every year.

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35. "?"
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?????....

and ??????

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36. "Lakers really dodged a bullet! PHEW!!!!!"
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44. "Stern fucked us and him lol"
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104. "essentially. if the NBA didn't screw the Lakers, this would have been ov..."
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39. "I'm rooting for him tonight and (hopefully) Sunday"
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Just so the Dubs can be the ones to boot him out the next round.

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46. "Good game. He did his thing... and still counting, CP76"
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47. "He balling out, as usual. *Shrug*"
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48. "Post-Jack: Are Jazz the oldest up and coming team?"
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They're starting Diaw, Hill, and Ingles in a clinching playoff game and Iso Joe has been arguably their MVP and, at the very least, their key reserve this series.

Exum can't get off the bench. Hood can't shoot straight. Alec Burks is out yet again. Favors is banged up (I can't believe he's only 25.)

Gobert and Gordon are great but Gordon might leave and I'm not seeing any of the other guys being good enough to take them to the next level.

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49. "If Gobert & Hayward are smart, they jump ship ASAP. "
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Cause, yeah. There's no real long term future with this squad. Not in the West anyway.

  

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51. "Eh, I feel like the Jazz have a decent shot to stay in the picture"
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If they beat the Clippers, that team is certainly getting broken up; shoot the Clippers may get broken up if they advance and then lose in the second round. The Spurs and the Grizzlies are also candidates to take steps backwards; San Antonio really will get old at some point. Probably. Maybe.

Of the teams that didn't make the play-offs, Minnesota is still the best candidate to be on the rise. Maybe Denver and maybe the Pelicans. No reason Jazz can't stick together and make things interesting.

That said, Ainge probably tries to break the bank for Hayward.

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54. "Make things interesting = not win anything."
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And probably never make the finals.

  

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55. "They have a team that can make it to the second round"
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For four to five years. With injury and matchup luck, that can turn into a ring (see 2011 Mavericks, with a real superstar but less talent around him than this team has). And it's not like Utah just swarms with guys dying to play there. Rudy's already locked down for the long haul, so they need to throw everything at Hill and Hayward this offseason to bring this back for another run and hope Hood and Exum and Lyles keep getting better. Don't resign Favors; just too many injury worries, and I know ownership there isn't trying to take that dive into the tax, even for a team that can pull off a top three seed consistently.

I can get why Gordon would leave to the East, but running into Bron every year won't be much more fun than dealing with Golden State.

  

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73. "So Gobert or Hayward is going to be as good as Dirk? "
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83. "No, they won't, but they can have as much talent as that team"
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in the aggregate. Because they're younger and have talent throughout the roster and are built ideally for this current league (outside of Favors/Gobert combo up front, which, like I said, isn't for long. Like, maybe might end tonight).

  

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66. "lol it's not like they are going to go sign with a top 3 contender"
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you think cleveland or golden state can afford to add them? cleveland already paying luxury tax up the ass and golden state will be losing guys in order to be able to re-sign durant.

so mediocre (or worse) team for mediocre team, utah seems like a fine place to be for those two guys.

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74. "Unless they don't want to be there long term. "
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>so mediocre (or worse) team for mediocre team, utah seems like
>a fine place to be for those two guys.

Which, pretty much, no NBA stars outside of Stockton and Malone have ever wanted.

  

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76. "Oh, how novel, why did you leave off the Derek Harper quote?"
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Does Hayward look like someone who is uncomfortable around millions of pasty white people? He is a tennis player from Indiana. I think he can manage to assimilate.

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85. "It's also money."
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The endorsement money for Gordon will go up if he signs with most any decent media market. It's actually impressive how a white-American All-Star can be underexposed in the NBA.

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53. "This was their year to leap....they did."
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Nice blend of youth and experience to win 50 games.

But they don't have a superstar so.....yeah.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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56. "Sounds like some wishing for Hayward"
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I mean, everyone rumors him to Boston, and he might fit really well there. Would require more Horford at five, though, when i think they need a springier dude to join Al in the frontcourt and protect the rim.

  

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57. "Hayward is a small forward"
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Yes, the C's need a better big man to team with Horford but they can still go after one and sign Gordon.

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84. "They'd be really slow with Hayward, Horford and"
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One of their current bigs up front. And Hayward's shown his usefulness as a small ball four (big enough to guard the position, fast and skilled enough to fuck up his defender on the other end). I just imagine that their best lineups with Horford, Hayward and their current bigs would be those two manning the big positions, and that'd provide little rim protection even if it made their offense much more potent (though if they got Fultz and Hayward, hey, who needs rim protection?).

  

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64. "Obviously they need to adjust to continue winning but why can't they?"
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67. "How will they?"
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If they re-sign Gordon, they're capped out. They'll likely have to overpay a 31 year old Hill to keep him which will get them towards the luxury tax. The young guys they can move don't have much trade value.

I'm not saying they can't maintain but after years of being told they were the up and coming team of the future, they now seem like a team with a small window and low ceiling.


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77. "The draft and minimum-salary vets, I guess."
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Don't have a crystal ball but if they have Hayward, Gobert and hopefully a healthy Favors then that is a lot to build around. Three good players cost money everywhere. They have to draft smartly and make shrewd pickups just like any other team with a nucleus that they pay fairly. I just don't get this ZOMG Utah exceptionalism.

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82. "It's because of the ZOMG Utah exceptionalism"
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Writers were hyping these guys like the next big contender. The team of the future. Now in their breakout season, they're struggling to take out a Blake-less Clippers and are relying on two over-30 guys.

Nothing against Utah. They're another middling playoff team that needs a heap of luck to truly contend but they were hyped as something more than that.

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100. "Heyward and Gobert are a nice nucleus to build around, you have a..."
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all-star wing player and potential all-star big man you fit other peaces around them and continue get better.

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50. "Austin saw the comments in here before Game 6."
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A lot of people in here talking like Austin is still the player he was rookie year. *side eye*

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52. "The thing with pass first PG's...."
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...is u r only as good as your teammates....

I recall some folks giving shit to Wall for not going further in the playoffs while the other shooting combo PG's were thriving....It was idiotic criticism...Because Wall, even when he had shooting issues, had teammates that couldn't quite finish plays.

This is why I never gave Wall any shit. Because, truthfully, this is the first season that Beal has finally put it all together....

To me, it's the same thing with Chris Paul, who is an exceptionally shooting PG but has a pass first mentality.......When you realize that he is NOW winning games on a team whose second player is an old ass Jamal Crawford and big men who can't score without being set up or dining on put backs (D. Jordan), it makes you wonder why dude hasn't become even more selfish. The days of the pass-first PG's are just about dead.

Even Wall has become more aggressive on offense.....

All this to say that Chris Paul doesn't deserve such criticism beyond the AGENDA games that at times makes this place entertaining.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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58. "^^^^solid CPPlea"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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71. "RE: ^^^^solid CPPlea"
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Man....I got no horse in this race...

I just call it as I see it.....

Like I said, I felt the same way when people were trying to shit on Wall for not have early playoff success....

Chris Paul just happens to be a more oversized version of that...Dude should either become more selfish or just leave the Clippers all together....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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106. "You're blatantly making shit up now."
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Who gave Wall shit for not going further in the playoffs?

He's been there twice before this year. Lost in the 2nd round to a better Pacers team. Yeah they could've won the series. But it was their first go round.

The second time, he broke his wrist. Missed a game and wasn't the same.

No need to lie Craig.

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65. "Griffin needs to find his game and their bench is still shitty"
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Griffin still doesn't have a strong identity as a player. He plays well when he plays off the other guys. Going it alone is a crap shoot, some nights he is sold others it ruins their rhythm and tanks their game. It's hard to say what direction he should go in

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68. "that's pretty much what he should be criticized for though"
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i used to think that everybody was being way too hard on him for the 2nd round thing...and still kinda do, but at the end of the day, he often plays sub-optimally given his skillset/shooting ability.

i don't think he's "unclutch" or that the pressure gets to him, especially since he plays better in the playoffs than the regular season. he just doesn't take as many shots as he needs to for his teams to reach their peak.

he's been way better about it the last 2 seasons, but there's no reason he should have previously averaged 14-15 shots a game in the playoffs when he was the best scorer on the team and had the ball in his hands as much as he did.

  

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72. "RE: that's pretty much what he should be criticized for though"
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Yeah...but that's the catch 22....Chris Paul, the pass first PG, has to rely on a player (Blake G.) who is injured even more than him and who is shaky when it comes to getting his own shot on a consistent basis....He has to rely on an aging 6th man (Crawford) as his best perimeter option...Nah...U not going to win anything in the West with that kind of lineup...

The only criticism that is warranted when it comes to Paul is that he should have been a lot more selfish throughout his career since he has always been the best player on his teams....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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79. "yep i can't blame him for the last couple years"
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it's more so when he was 24-28 he didn't take full advantage of what he could do

hopefully he heads to the spurs or something this offseason and can finally hit the wcf

  

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61. "This was interesting to me."
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents19258322/the-la-clippers-last-stand

They call it "the dynamic." Players. Coaches. People inside the organization. The schadenfreude brigade around the NBA. Though it has no fixed definition, its meaning is easily inferred: the interpersonal relationships that inform the Clippers' mood. Many critics, whether in close proximity or from a distance, cite the dynamic as a primary ingredient in the team's frustrations. If only the Clippers got along better, postseason success wouldn't be so difficult to attain. The personalities don't mesh. They bring out the worst in each other.
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"One recent veteran teammate calls the Clippers the most complicated team he's ever been on. There's a common level of intensity among the actors, even if it manifests itself in vastly different ways. Paul's bossiness. Griffin's temperament. Jordan's immaturity."

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Paul demands from his teammates a conformity and insists they absorb criticism at any moment, according to several teammates. Blow a coverage, you're going to hear about it, even after you've offered a "my bad" and even if the replay shows something to the contrary.

"He just can't be wrong," says a member of the Clippers. "But if I had to go to war, I'm going with Chris every day. I just wish he was wrong more. I wish he would say, 'My fault.'"

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A former teammate affectionately characterized Paul as the friend in the back seat of the car on a night out who just doesn't know when to stop barking out plans -- smart, responsible, the guy you need running point, but lacking the self-awareness to know that this would all be a lot more fun for everyone if he'd table every third decree. Yet without him, you'd spend the night driving in circles.

"With Chris, everything is organized, then we're out there," says Griffin. "There's direction and a plan. It just makes sense. And you know how it does and why it does."

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70. "Glen "Big Baby" Davis spits the truth on CPPlea, Doc & the Clippers"
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https://youtu.be/wO9DeSfZDn4

And Rondo.

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78. "What YMCA is Large Infant playing at these days?"
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Big Baby throwing Doc under the bus, lmao, dude basically owes him his whole career. Definitely Doc needs not to be the GM anymore though.

Everyone knows Paul is demanding AF and in his coaching career I bet he gets praised for it. Big Baby a bitch though, I mean lest we forget KG making him cry. CP3 cut from that cloth; Large Infant is not about that life.

I do agree that it is time to move either Blake, CP3 or both. Paul is at the age where he won't have much value soon. Blake you gotta see what's out there, if the right deal is there, do it, yes.

I didn't realize Mark Myers who asked that question in the presser. That guy is an idiot, man, I mean I seriously think he is unintelligent. I am so happy he got slammed, honestly he is borderline unprofessional. I love it, finally someone slammed his ass lol.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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80. "What a fat loser"
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He would be talking to Colin Cowherd about how the only people who treated him like a basketball player over the past decade are dysfunctional and unlikable.

Big Baby looks like Whitlock in that fucking hat.

  

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81. "What a stupid interview."
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Who's the last team to win a title led by their point guard? Cowherd can't come up with the current #1 seed in the NBA and champ from just two years ago and then says that yeah, it's not that kind of league.

6 of the top 8 seeds in the playoffs are led by their PG (IT, Lowry, Wall, Curry, Harden, CP3.) But seriously, tell me more about how it hasn't become a PG-friendly league.

I get CP3 has personality issues but saying a leader has to rub people the right way is kind of gold from a guy who KG made cry on the bench while their team was winning by double-digits.

And I'm no huge fan of Doc Rivers but a guy who has admitted that he should have taken his career more seriously and probably would have been better off and possibly still in the league cashing million dollar checks if he heeded Doc's advice isn't the guy who should be running his mouth.

Big Baby hates his nickname but seems to bend over backwards to show how he got it.

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88. "SMH. A really poor man's Barkley off the court too."
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One Hundred.

  

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91. "Cats mad at Glen but also agreeing. Lol"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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94. ""I know because I was part of the problem""
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Faulting people for not making the most of a shit situation you made shittier in your year there isn't a strong argument.

It's like Michael Flynn bashing on Trump. He may be right but he's still an asshole and made things worse while he was there.

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101. "Sure if Michael Flynn owns being a part of the problem."
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Big Baby is telling truthful statements.
I'd be more concerned if he distanced himself from the Clippers issues.

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102. "He a bitch for this...."
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He got the PERFECT nickname! This is crazy....

  

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109. "Being a bitch doesn't mean he's lying "
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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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75. "Let us not forget his Game 7 performance against the Spurs"
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We'll see what he does today. I will be there, might have to dust off my Walton jersey. LAY IT UP, LITTLE MAN, LAY IT UP!

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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86. "Rudy has only played 5 minutes in the first half..."
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due to foul trouble and the Jazz are up by 11. Joe and fuckin Derek Favors are gettin it done...with some help from Hood and Hill.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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87. "Is Austin Rivers still in the game?"
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One Hundred.

  

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89. "http://tinyurl.com/bgmhsto"
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http://tinyurl.com/bgmhsto

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90. "So Point God plays George Hill to a stand still in a Game 7 at home and ..."
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and I'm the bad guy?

I'm just gonna act like Rick in the studio and keep rocking out to the grooves....

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwj5tjjvh91r8q6tio1_500.gif

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92. "Thurl Bailey and Kiki Vandeweghe #facts"
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Isiah he ain't.

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95. "Deuces, shitbird. Try not to punch anyone in the balls on the way out"
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Any regret is that the Dubs weren't the ones to boot him.

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97. "That's the spirit!"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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96. "Nut punching loser. Bye. "
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>http://tinyurl.com/l2xpldd
>
>Remember no Timbs, no Fitteds, no Sneakers, and more
>importantly the maximum you rounds of drinks you can have is
>2. Yep nothing more than 2. Clippers rules.
>
>I'm going with this....
>https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR31MWhsa9PzO86IU8JF2IAVZCin87QenPOLAJG8vtxLKvyiZ9bDQ

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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98. "^^^Yessir!"
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99. "Later. And take sorrry ass Austin and Felton with you"
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<---
Fuck a sig, my presence is enough.

  

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103. "*punches teammates in the nuts*"
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105. "DJ was their best player by far"
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Paul had a lot to do with that but you're the PG and the leader. They are scheming everything to stop you. You gotta get the other guys involved. There was so much standing around. Look at Utah's possessions--how many guys touched the ball, how much movement there was--and then look at LAC's. Night and day.

I mean obviously these guys scored a ton of points during the year but they didn't when it counted and once they got cracking their defense couldn't get a stop.

IMO time to blow up the Clippers. Get a good haul for Paul while you can. Investigate the value of Blake. Rivers definitely no longer the GM, coaching duties may come down to a financial decision and also what personnel they bring in. This team is going nowhere and Ballmer is not a guy who is going to be content shooting for the middle and making some money.

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107. "https://twitter.com/YoungNBA/status/858815488838774784"
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https://twitter.com/YoungNBA/status/858815488838774784

  

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108. "Would love to see a breakdown of wins and losses, game 7s"
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Just looking at FG% and TOs, in his eight Game 7s, CP3 has shot worse than his series average and had more TOs than his series average in 5 of the 8 games. He doesn't seem to bring his best when it is all on the line.

When he shoots better and turns it over less in Game 7, his teams are 3 - 0. When he turns it over more and shoots worse, they are 1 - 4.

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115. "Well I can only speak to the two I have seen in person but ..."
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Utah basically declared that anyone but him was going to beat them. They had schemes for him similar to what we saw teams throw at AI in his prime, three and four guys aware of him any time he was attacking. He got DJ going and nobody else was active at all.

Against San Antonio we all know the types of ONIONS! he delivered. One of the gutsiest performances I have ever seen.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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110. "This is an interesting old **swipe**"
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http://patternofbasketball.blogspot.com/2014/11/chris-paul-hate-hard.html

Chris Paul



At 29, Chris Paul has made six All-NBA teams (four first-team), six All-Defensive teams (four first-team) and seven All-Star Games. "The Point God" is widely considered the best PG in the NBA and is a near lock to be a first-ballot Hall of Fame selection. There's only one blemish on his resume. CP3 has been in the league 10 seasons and has never advanced past the second round, despite playing on three different teams that won more than 56 games.

When you try to evaluate his lack of playoff success, there's one school of thought that says there is nothing to see, no great mystery to unravel. Shit happens in the playoffs and a few bad bounces in Game 5 against the Thunder shouldn't make a huge difference in how we perceive a great player. Paul has been doomed by untimely injuries, bad match-ups and the poor luck to play in an extremely competitive conference.

Winning or losing a playoff series never comes down to any one player, even if they are a superstar. However, the playoffs aren't a complete black box either - there are things you can learn from what happens when a guy has to play multiple seven-game series against the best teams in the world. There is a middle ground between yelling ringz and throwing your hands in the air and saying my shit doesn't work in the post-season.

Let's take a closer look at the Thunder/Clippers series, particularly the match-up at the PG position between Paul and Russell Westbrook.

In Game 1, Paul had 32 points and 10 assists on 14 shots. It was the kind of performance you would expect from an All-NBA PG - if he had played at that level all series, the Clippers would have advanced. Of course, no one can really do that, so Paul wound up averaging 22 points and 12 assists a game on 51% shooting in the series. Pretty hard to complain about those numbers, right?

The only problem was that Westbrook's were even better. He averaged 28 points, 6 rebounds and 9 assists a game on 49% shooting in the series and he had games of 29, 33 and 38 points. Paul didn't have a game over 25 after Game 1. He was putting up a lot of points, but not as many as Westbrook and not in the same types of bunches. As many points as CP3 was scoring, he was giving them up just as fast, if not faster, on the other end.


The numbers are right there, once you start to look for them.




2012:




First round: Clippers beat Grizzlies in 7




- CP3: 20, 6 and 7 on 46% shooting

- Mike Conley: 14, 3 and 7 on 42% shooting

The Clippers and Grizzlies split their two first-round series, but CP3 clearly got the better of Conley. It was some of the best work he has done in his time with the Clippers - really nice numbers in the midst of two archetypal Grit N Grind series. Those games certainly felt like late 90's Knicks-Heat, especially in the paint.





Second round: Spurs beat Clippers in 4




- CP3: 13, 4 and 9 on 38% shooting

- Tony Parker: 17, 3 and 8 on 38% shooting

It's hard to do the individual match-up thing against the Spurs since they move the ball so much, but at best you can say that CP3 played Parker to a draw. Tony Parker is really good - he doesn't put up stats like Paul, but he doesn't get to hold the ball like Paul does either. Pop doesn't run a system designed to maximize his PG's statistics.




2013:




First round: Clippers lose to Grizzles in 6




- CP3: 23, 4 and 6 on 53% shooting

- Conley: 17, 3 and 8 on 41% shooting




2014:




First round: Clippers beat Warriors in 7




- CP3: 17, 5 and 9 on 42% shooting

- Steph: 23, 4 and 8 on 44% shooting

The Warriors lost the series, but this still felt like a passing of the torch to me. Paul is 29 and he has been first-team All-NBA for most of the last 5 seasons - there are a lot of hungry, young PG's out there, waiting for their chance. Steph is 26. Russ is 25. Eric Bledsoe is only 24. One day, maybe not anytime soon, but sooner than you might think, CP3 is going to wake up and play the Phoenix Suns and find out this is his life:





Second round: Clippers lose to Thunder in 6




- CP3: 22, 4 and 11 on 51% shooting

- Westbrook: 28, 6 and 9 on 49% shooting

Look at it this way - how could you tell Russell Westbrook with a straight face that Chris Paul is better than him after that series? Oh you mean the guy I just gave 30 a night too? Didn't I just send his team home? If Paul had 28 and Russ had 22, the Clippers would have won easily. He couldn't do it, though.

Take a look at what Westbrook did in the 2014 playoffs:

First round: Thunder beat Grizzlies in 7

- Russ: 26, 10 and 8 on 38% shooting
- Conley: 16, 5 and 8 on 43% shooting

Second round: Thunder beat Clippers in 6

- Russ: 28, 6 and 9 on 49% shooting

- CP3: 22, 4 and 11 on 51% shooting


WCF: Thunder lose to Spurs in 6

- Russ: 27, 7 and 6 on 41% shooting
- Parker: 13, 2 and 5 on 49% shooting

That's what a guy carrying a team in the playoffs looks like. The Thunder win a lot of playoff series for a reason - they have two guys who can just take over games against the best players in the world. When Westbrook is playing the best of the best, he thrives.

The difference between the playoffs and the regular season is the level of competition. You don't see many bad or average PG's in the post-season. Just about every guy you are going to face is a high-level player, especially out West. In the last three years, Paul has went up against Westbrook, Steph Curry, Tony Parker and Mike Conley. Last season, Westbrook matched-up with Conley, CP3 and Parker. You see a lot of familiar faces in the playoffs and the deeper you go, the more likely you are to face a great player.

And if you compare Paul to his peers, to the other great players in the league instead of the average player, something jumps out at you immediately. Here's a look at the height and weight of every player to make first or second-team All-NBA in the last five years:



See the one at the bottom left? That's Paul. At 6'0 175, he's the outlier among the outliers.

Most great players are really big - the average height and weight is about 6'8 230, right around Carmelo Anthony. As a rule, they are bigger, faster and more skilled than the average player. At that point, there isn't much the defense can do to a guy. They have to give up something, either the shot, the drive or the pass.

Paul's formula for success is a little different. He has maximized every bit of his physical ability to get himself in such august company - there's no one else with his size and speed who is considered among the best players in the NBA. He is the perfect analytic player because he is operating at 100% at all times. He doesn't make mistakes or cut corners - he is always doing the most efficient thing that he can do when he is on the court.

In a sense, CP3 is Moneyball at the individual level. The market undervalues shorter players, particularly around draft time - if CP3 was 6'3+ like John Wall or Derrick Rose, he would not have went No. 4 in 2005. He doesn't have the physical tools of those guys, but he is just as effective because he has studied the game and perfected his craft. He thinks the game at as high a level as anyone in the sport and you can see that in the absurd efficiency numbers he puts up.

The one thing about Moneyball is that analytics isn't alchemy. It can't change what a guy is. Dwight Howard has height privilege. He doesn't need to deal with all that to win games. He's just bigger and faster than everyone else.

Here's a theory.

In the regular season, when CP3 is going up against a bunch of average guards who don't know what they are doing, he can absolutely devastate them. Most of them don't have the speed or athleticism to take advantage of his clutch-and-grab style defense that seems lifted from Bill Belichick's New England Patriots.

That TNT game against a short-handed Miami Heat team the other night? CP3 had 26 points on 13 shots and 12 assists on 1 turnover and the Clippers won by 17.


That shit only goes so far in the playoffs, though. As Charles Barkley likes to say, them other guys, they get paid too. When you are going up against the best of the best, the margins for error become really small and Chris Paul never had a really high margin to begin with.

When you think about it, it was always going to be hard for Paul to be the best player in the NBA at his size. The greatest players can score at will against guys who are smaller and less athletic than them - that's what makes them great. The problem for CP3 is he is smaller and less athletic than every other great player in the NBA, so he's always the underdog when he goes up against those guys, regardless of what his stats are against the rest of the league.

It's not that Chris Paul lacks the will to win and he comes up short in the playoffs because he doesn't have the heart of a champion. The problem is that he's short and his lack of size always rears its head at some point in the playoffs. If there was a bar that said you must be this tall to be the best player on a championship team, you would probably put it around 6'6. While CP3 is a franchise player, he's much, much shorter than most of the franchise players who got ringz.

Here's a look at the height of the best players on championship teams since 1979:

7'1 - Shaq
7'0 - Hakeem, Duncan, KG, Dirk
6'11 - Rasheed Wallace
6'9 - Bird, Magic, LeBron
6'7 - Dr. J
6'6 - MJ, Kobe
6'4 - D. Wade (and he has a 6'11 wingspan which makes him play like he's 6'8)
6'1 - Isiah Thomas

All things being equal in a game of basketball, the bigger and more athletic player is going to win the individual match-up. When Paul is playing most NBA players, things aren't equal. When he is going up against another All-NBA guy, they are. The problem for him is that if he's going to win a title, he's probably going to have to go up against 3-4 All-NBA guys in 4 seven-game series.

The NBA playoffs are like a video game. You get to the end of the level and you have to beat a boss. In a good game, you have or 3 or 4 boss fights against a character with as much power as your own, if not more. You had to figure out a different strategy to beat them - they were too good to beat straight up. It wasn't hard to exploit the weakness on easy or medium, but it was almost impossible to do on hard. On extreme? Forget about it. You had to play the video game almost perfectly to do it and I never had the patience for it. After awhile, I just started using cheat codes.

Chris Paul is playing the game on extreme mode. He has to play essentially perfect basketball to beat guys like Russell Westbrook - it has to be like Game 1 of the second round every single time. Otherwise, the only thing he can do is try to minimize his lack of height and athleticism as much as possible, which means clutching, grabbing and holding the other player.

Do I think it's a coincidence 6'1 Isiah Thomas played on a team that essentially broke the game? No. What puts CP3 on his own level is that he will take some very aggressive fouls on one end and then flop on the other. You can't be Reggie Evans and Manu Ginobili at the same time. It just isn't right.



This is when I knew DeMarcus Cousins was the realest dude in the NBA:

“It’s just, some players I don’t respect,” Cousins said. “Just their playing style of basketball. I don’t respect it. I feel like it’s basically cheating and I don’t respect a cheater. If that’s your tactic to winning, I don’t respect you.”
One of the things that has been lost in our celebration of the way that guys like Jordan and Kobe carried themselves as they won championships is that basketball is a gentleman's game. There are certain things you should not be doing in order to win basketball games and there are certain lines that should not be crossed. There's a right and wrong way to play this game that goes beyond winning and losing.

What CP3 does to poor Julius Hodge in this play is well over that line:






That's all I could think of during the final seconds of Game 5 in OKC. All the things that Paul gets away with on the court, all the ways he tries to tilt the playing board in order to shave the odds his way - they all came rushing back at him at once. He bent the rules of the game as far as they would go before they broke. A guy with CP3's size and athleticism trying to carry a team through four consecutive seven-game series might as well be Sisyphus. He is defying the natural order of things and there's only one way that's going to end.





Paul's teams punch above their weight in the regular season because he doesn't let up and he maximizes everyone's performance over the course of an 82-game season. When he gets to the playoffs, though, all the times that he ran up the margins against the Luke Ridnours of the world don't really matter.

He is still going to put up good numbers, but he isn't going to dominate the guy across from him. If he runs up on a bully like Russell Westbrook in a seven-game series, he's going to be fighting for a draw. The problem with the way the Clippers are set up is that Paul has to do everything for them to advance. He does his best against guys like KD and Russ, but if he's on either of those guys, there's still a mouse in the house. If he's going to get to the NBA Finals, he's probably going to need two wings like Trevor Ariza and Jimmy Butler around him, not JJ Redick and Jamal Crawford. Look at what Golden State is doing with Klay Thompson and Andre Iguodala around Steph Curry.

CP3 isn't Kobe or LeBron, no matter what the stats say. Those two guys could take over a series on defense - they could man-up the opposing team's best perimeter scorer and suffocate their offense. That's the kind of thing that can turn a playoff series and it's the kind of thing that CP3 has never been able to do. He lost to Carmelo in the first round in 2010 - if that was LeBron, he would have tried to lock up Melo.

Of course, you can't expect Paul to do something like that. What it does is show you the limitations of his ability to impact the game, in comparison to some of his Olympic teammates.
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At this point in his career, CP3 is like Tom Glavine - he's a finesse pitcher who wins on control and out-thinking the other guy. He's not out there throwing 95 MPH high heat. You can be a great player with that style, but when you are going up against the best of the best, talent tends to win out. If CP3 and Westbrook had a Freaky Friday moment, Chris Paul in Westbrook's body would win 10 out of 10 times. Westbrook in Westbrook's body might only win 8 out of 10, but that's more than enough in a seven-game series.


One of the things that makes basketball different than most team sports is the way individual match-ups are embedded into the game. The same two guys are going at each other on offense and defense - I have to guard you but you have to guard me. Imagine Peyton Manning playing defense against Darrell Revis or Yu Darvish trying to get hits off Miguel Cabrera.

As great as CP3's stats are, that's only 85-90% of the equation in basketball. That last 10%? Throw away the numbers, the TV commercials and the brands and it comes down to lacing up your sneakers, stepping on the court and being better than the guy across from you.

Chris Paul is great, but is he any greater than Steph Curry? Tony Parker? Russell Westbrook? There have been too many times in the last few playoffs that CP3 hasn't been able to say that for me to think he is really a Top 5 player in the NBA.

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111. "The individual comparison is kind of dumb"
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He outplayed Conley in both series, one loss and one win. He outplayed Parker but then the writer says Well, don't look at individual comparisons on this one.

He couldn't shut down Russ in 2014 but let's ignore that Durant averaged 33 that series while Griffin averaged 23. In the elimination Game 6, CP3 hassled Russ into 26% shooting while dropping 25/7/11 on 50% shooting himself and carried the Clippers in the 4th while Griffin did little while dealing with foul trouble and eventually fouled out.

The Warriors series was the passing of the torch to Steph but can you imagine if Paul shot 41% in game 7, scored only three buckets in the second half, while his team blew a lead and lost the series? People would be KILLING him for it. (Luckily for Steph, Klay Thompson was the scapegoat that series.)

It's funny that these are the games the guy chose to look at because they're some of Chris's best elimination games.

In the end, Chris was the best PG in the NBA for some time. That time has passed. The clutch angle is debatable because he had more bad games than good in Game 7s.

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112. "yeah some of the logic is faulty but overall the point is valid."
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113. "He didn't outplay Conley the 2nd time though. "
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114. "Per the article's stats/logic, CP3 won."
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2nd matchup
- CP3: 23, 4 and 6 on 53% shooting
- Conley: 17, 3 and 8 on 41% shooting

And CP3 had to carry his team on offense since Blake sprained his ankle in Game 5 and played 13 minutes in Game 6.

I get that CP3 had his faults but putting the second Grizz series loss on him is kind of ridiculous given that Blake got hurt (and was still struggling with Z-Bo even when healthy.) CP3 dropped 35 in the game Blake went down and 24/4/8 with no turnovers and 11/16 shooting in the final game of the series.

If you're going to knock CP3 for that series, it was that his bitchassedness came out in the end of game 6 and he got himself ejected for cheap shotting Gasol.

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