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"Le Poast de les finales de la Coupe Stanley de 2017"


  

          

Caps are playing well. That's about all I'll say about that.

Toronto / Washington
Columbus / Pittsburgh
New York Rags / Montreal
Boston / Ottawa

Nashville / Chicago
St Louis / Minnesota
Calgary / Anaheim
San Jose / Edmonton

  

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oh, The Wild...hello, friends (c) Jim Nantz
Apr 10th 2017
1
I'm rooting for the WC Canadian teams.
Apr 10th 2017
2
Well fuck you, buddy...
Apr 10th 2017
4
lol
Apr 10th 2017
6
      Exactly! WE are supposed to be in this together!
Apr 11th 2017
10
           lol
Apr 11th 2017
13
Calgary's gone and Edmonton's all you have left for now.
Apr 20th 2017
74
      ok.
Apr 21st 2017
78
Pretty good first round
Apr 10th 2017
3
Sharks in 6...
Apr 10th 2017
5
Lord Stanley ain't leaving the Burgh
Apr 10th 2017
7
It's very, very hard to repeat
Apr 10th 2017
9
      Caps will NEVER beat us in the playoffs. EVER!!!
Apr 12th 2017
19
           whew, Legs...this could be a bad look, lol
Apr 12th 2017
20
                Caps are some choking ass chokers
Apr 14th 2017
32
                and so it begins..
Apr 15th 2017
43
                I said NEVER!!!
May 10th 2017
200
The Stanley Cup playoffs are officially cancelled
Apr 10th 2017
8
Some thoughts
Apr 11th 2017
11
you said every team has a weakness
Apr 11th 2017
12
Municipal and historical handicap.
Apr 12th 2017
15
Definitely a tough match up for the Sharks...
Apr 12th 2017
14
Couture and Thornton are both put together with string and chewing gum
Apr 12th 2017
18
Thought about it more and I will go Habs in 7
Apr 12th 2017
16
wow...Hitch back to the Stars
Apr 12th 2017
17
They needed a veteran coach, I think it is a good hire
Apr 13th 2017
22
Pittsburgh was the only home team that won tonight.
Apr 13th 2017
21
Eh a lot of the games were fluky, most coulda gone either way
Apr 13th 2017
23
I think the Oil had like 4 SOG in the 3rd pd
Apr 13th 2017
24
      SJ had the puck the whole time and also had tremendous forecheck
Apr 13th 2017
26
https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-29-2015/IanStu.gif
Apr 13th 2017
29
Draisaitl better wake the fuck up for Game 2
Apr 13th 2017
25
Las Vegas Golden Knights name Gerard Gallant first head coach
Apr 13th 2017
27
D up, JAKE! (c)Ray Allen in He Got Game.....51 Saves!!!...
Apr 13th 2017
28
Petro also got robbed of the game winner
Apr 13th 2017
30
Fuck yeah....Edmundson, and Schwartz...stole 2 on the road
Apr 14th 2017
36
      I would not be surprised to see it 2-2 after four.
Apr 15th 2017
38
gutsy comeback for Game 1
Apr 13th 2017
31
soft goal and a reminder to the leafs that they are still the leafs
Apr 14th 2017
33
      Babcock mostly out-coached Trotz in Game 1
Apr 15th 2017
40
Last six game 1 shutouts for the hawks = series loss
Apr 14th 2017
34
Seems like a worthless stat but yeah this is gonna be a long series
Apr 15th 2017
37
Radulov's 1st Playoff goal in 5 years helps Montreal tie the series.
Apr 14th 2017
35
That was a great game holy shit
Apr 15th 2017
39
Suspensions I think Calvert one game, Kassian none
Apr 15th 2017
41
looked like a double minor to me
Apr 15th 2017
42
      Calvert you mean? I think he got a minor, no penalty on Kassian
Apr 17th 2017
50
           ya. 2 min XC 2 min roughing. dont like the league making up for the re...
Apr 17th 2017
53
OUCH @ Calgary losing on a fluke goal.
Apr 16th 2017
44
I think Toronto is going to bet the caps.
Apr 16th 2017
45
there's been basically 8 periods
Apr 16th 2017
46
Anaheim could fuck around and win this thing
Apr 16th 2017
48
uh oh..
Apr 17th 2017
54
      And now Toronto's just 2 wins away from it.
Apr 17th 2017
55
           I hope it goes 7 and everyone gets hurt
Apr 18th 2017
59
Minny pulls he goalie with 2:10 left...
Apr 16th 2017
47
stood tall is an understatement
Apr 17th 2017
51
      kid has a .974 save percentage, sheesh
Apr 17th 2017
52
Edmonton up 2-1
Apr 17th 2017
49
Preds with a huge comeback win to go up 3-0 on hawks
Apr 18th 2017
56
Tale of two games. They kicked ass when it counted
Apr 18th 2017
58
LoELliott
Apr 18th 2017
57
that familiar feeeeeeling
Apr 18th 2017
60
this may just be who they are. Perhaps it's not meant to be.
Apr 18th 2017
62
Even Shattdeuces is fuckin up.
Apr 18th 2017
63
That 5on3 was atrocious.This is their chance.If they lose this year, tha...
Apr 18th 2017
65
boston got fucking screwed by the refs
Apr 18th 2017
61
Not a great call but I don't think it lost them the game.
Apr 18th 2017
64
      that's fine as an overall point, but that elbow is a blatant penalty.
Apr 18th 2017
66
           You don't often hear Pierre McGuire get that fired up ...
Apr 19th 2017
68
Holy shit Sharks
Apr 19th 2017
67
TJ Oshie said not tonight suckas
Apr 19th 2017
69
That goalie interference call was some bullshit
Apr 20th 2017
70
      Karlsson is way up there for sure
Apr 20th 2017
71
      great win by the Caps and I'm still pissed about that call
Apr 20th 2017
72
           These goalie interference calls are ridiculous.
Apr 21st 2017
79
You'll never, ever convince me that fighting makes any sense
Apr 20th 2017
73
Nashville gets their 1st ever Playoff sweep.
Apr 20th 2017
75
damn
Apr 21st 2017
77
They look soooo fucking dangerous right now
Apr 21st 2017
81
I can't see past them in the West right now
Apr 22nd 2017
84
      Well they have slipped after surging before so I dunno
Apr 22nd 2017
85
Pens did the damn thing and can rest while the Caps/Leafs go 7
Apr 21st 2017
76
Leafs easily, they are pushing it a lot harder out there
Apr 21st 2017
80
      Yah
Apr 21st 2017
82
           Marner was great in the season series, too.
Apr 22nd 2017
83
MAGNUS!!!
Apr 22nd 2017
86
Oh Bruce
Apr 22nd 2017
87
      Well, at least he was spared another Game 7 home loss.
Apr 22nd 2017
88
      eh not much of a fail here, just ran into a hot goalie
Apr 24th 2017
99
New York has just won the series.
Apr 22nd 2017
89
West Round 2 set.
Apr 23rd 2017
90
And now, the East is set.
Apr 23rd 2017
91
Caps vs Pens
Apr 23rd 2017
92
Is this still a big rivlary in Caps' fans eyes?
Apr 24th 2017
93
Pens are Goro on the Caps way to Shang Tsung
Apr 24th 2017
94
9 series all time. pens won 8. all 4 cups have gone through DC
Apr 24th 2017
100
Yes.
Apr 24th 2017
95
      Ya I suppose I didn't look at it from that angle
Apr 24th 2017
97
           Most Caps blogs/commentariats I read have moved on
Apr 24th 2017
98
           it's like Steeler fans acting like the Pats are a rival.
Apr 27th 2017
106
CANT WAIT - Bart Scott (c)
Apr 24th 2017
96
We let this drop off the front page?
Apr 26th 2017
101
I've been savoring my four anxiety-free days.
Apr 26th 2017
102
      I'm not worried about Sid showing up
Apr 26th 2017
103
      It definitely comes down to Fluery..
Apr 27th 2017
107
           I don't think so, I think he will give up 2-3 goals in every game
Apr 27th 2017
115
                it's not how many he gives up...
Apr 28th 2017
121
                     usually when he gives up easy ones he gives up a lot
Apr 28th 2017
122
WCSF games 1
Apr 27th 2017
104
I caught the 3rd period
Apr 27th 2017
105
I didn't like our play up 2 goals
Apr 27th 2017
108
Report is broken femur, out for playoffs
Apr 27th 2017
110
      broken femur is career threatening
Apr 27th 2017
116
yep...shit ruined my night, lol
Apr 27th 2017
109
that'll happen
Apr 27th 2017
111
That was the Jake Allen we know and love
Apr 27th 2017
119
shoutout to Kevin Fiala, yo...
Apr 27th 2017
112
smh...not sure how I missed that up above.
Apr 27th 2017
113
Ducks game was pretty much a coin flip
Apr 27th 2017
117
Pens take game 1
Apr 27th 2017
114
Third Period was best Caps have looked all playoffs, but hockey is fickl...
Apr 27th 2017
118
      Pens rarely win Game 1s in DC
Apr 27th 2017
120
PAGE-AU! PAGE-AU! PAGE-AU!
Apr 29th 2017
123
this dude is going bananas
Apr 29th 2017
124
      Fucking Caps, man, I can't believe I picked these guys
Apr 29th 2017
125
           you know it's bad
Apr 29th 2017
131
                He was mad at himself. If Williams blows the next game, you know ...
Apr 30th 2017
133
                Jesus
Apr 30th 2017
134
Might as well sweep these fools and get some rest
Apr 29th 2017
126
pretty astonishing the way the pens have changed their identity
Apr 29th 2017
127
      Great players, Fluery and good coaching.
Apr 29th 2017
129
           Uh oh...
May 02nd 2017
139
So for sure Ovie loses the C now, right?
Apr 29th 2017
128
This is fine.
Apr 29th 2017
130
It's who they are. It's baked in now.
Apr 30th 2017
135
      Defensive Mistakes and Failure To Convert Chances
Apr 30th 2017
136
#RockTheMisery
Apr 30th 2017
132
Good games yesterday. All the WC teams look good.
May 01st 2017
137
Ducks were playing with fire
May 01st 2017
138
Sid out for Game 4, at least
May 02nd 2017
140
If it doesn't happen for the Caps now it never happens
May 02nd 2017
141
uh oh
May 02nd 2017
142
i really dislike that
May 02nd 2017
143
No Letang, no Sid. If the Caps fuck this up, they should be contracted
May 02nd 2017
144
Imagine the retribution if Brady took an elbow to the head
May 02nd 2017
145
      Ken Campbell wrote about that, sort of a truth minus fact column
May 03rd 2017
147
           Prior to this week I had never heard of Rossi
May 03rd 2017
148
                The column was bad but the video response was worse
May 04th 2017
154
Preds bandwagon accepting applications
May 03rd 2017
146
Crosby or no Crosby, Pittsburgh still pwn Washington.
May 03rd 2017
149
the Caps will never get it done with this group
May 03rd 2017
150
What's funny is that this year they've had come backs
May 03rd 2017
151
I don't know, we all remember the last time they panicked
May 04th 2017
155
      Theyre actually in good shape going forward
May 04th 2017
156
You are correct
May 10th 2017
195
I mean, I'm honestly impressed
May 03rd 2017
152
LMAO
May 03rd 2017
153
I'm on the fence, I want Sid the Kid to show out in game 5
May 04th 2017
157
He shouldn't step on the ice for at least this series
May 06th 2017
159
      exactly, wtf? hold him out until the ECF
May 06th 2017
160
      Nope. Nothing is guaranteed in hockey. If he is ready he is playing
May 06th 2017
162
           yeah, and in hockey guys' careers end prematurely all the time
May 06th 2017
164
                he might as well retire if that's the case
May 07th 2017
167
                     there's only premature return or retirement? no middle ground? foh
May 07th 2017
168
      That's a terrible idea
May 06th 2017
163
      This is why I didn't want to come back to Pittsburgh
May 08th 2017
171
           i mean something had to give
May 09th 2017
182
                Losing Daley is a bigger concern
May 09th 2017
189
      I think they stick the knife in tonight and end it. What do the Caps hav...
May 06th 2017
165
Nice comeback by the Ducks.
May 06th 2017
158
that was like two great games with a dud inbetween
May 06th 2017
161
Goals from three lines = W
May 06th 2017
166
The Ducks got massacred tonight.
May 07th 2017
169
Ducks just have to park that one and move on
May 08th 2017
174
That was basically how every game from 2-6 should have gone
May 08th 2017
170
Caps playoff history says otherwise.
May 08th 2017
176
Woooooooow (c) Mos Def. 5-0 doesnt do this ass whipping justice
May 08th 2017
172
game 7 will either feel like
May 08th 2017
173
Here for this.
May 08th 2017
175
the caps had them boxed in most of the night.
May 08th 2017
177
Pens with eight shots through 40 minutes lol
May 08th 2017
178
      moving semi-injured Ovi to the third line has been great
May 08th 2017
179
           I like Burakovsky, still has some work to do but has a lot of ability
May 09th 2017
184
                Him dumping Hainsey, stealing the puck and scoring unassisted
May 09th 2017
188
                     that shit hurt my soul.
May 10th 2017
190
hopefully Justin Williams helps put the nail in the coffin
May 09th 2017
185
lmao... I guess the better team won?
May 10th 2017
202
That was some bullshit. Fucking Pens never clinch at home.
May 08th 2017
180
ugh, i hate that you like pittsburgh sports.
May 09th 2017
186
      I BLEED BLACK AND YELLOW!!!
May 10th 2017
191
RIP the nhl's "concussion protocol"
May 09th 2017
181
to be fair sullivan's answer was some what unclear
May 09th 2017
183
      wow @ this quote
May 09th 2017
187
See you guys on the other side.
May 10th 2017
192
I'm anxious but can't even imagine Caps fans side of this
May 10th 2017
193
Caps are you serious rn
May 10th 2017
194
Smh
May 10th 2017
196
Different year, same ol' ****. Washington falls to Pittsburgh.
May 10th 2017
197
Started playing like the better team too late.
May 10th 2017
198
I like some of you here, but the Capitlols will always be fun to beat
May 10th 2017
199
Ha ha.. Lord Stanley ain't leaving the 412 this year
May 10th 2017
201
Losers gonna lose
May 10th 2017
203
I thought Holtby played well tonight.
May 10th 2017
204
the fuck ups were Kuzy missing the open net tip in
May 10th 2017
205
not many second chances and didnt bury first chances
May 11th 2017
207
Fleury's first 5-10 minutes is what stole the game
May 11th 2017
209
This was basically the story of the series
May 11th 2017
210
While Fluery played amazing
May 11th 2017
217
      Caps were destroying them for the first 10 minutes.
May 11th 2017
218
           I'm glad I missed most of that.
May 11th 2017
219
Melrose says it's time for Ovie to head on out...
May 11th 2017
212
      I can hardly think of someone who's opinion on Ovi matters less
May 11th 2017
214
      let's not overlook that he did play hurt and had some big plays
May 11th 2017
235
ECF: Pittsburgh vs. Ottawa. WCF: Anaheim vs. Nashville.
May 10th 2017
206
Big response from Anaheim.
May 11th 2017
208
I was impressed
May 11th 2017
215
      first was pretty even i thought but i still had concerns
May 11th 2017
226
Fun facts
May 11th 2017
211
smh
May 11th 2017
213
to hell with them then. I can't believe that
May 11th 2017
216
so is it more than just "my narrative" at this point?
May 11th 2017
220
When you pin team performance on one player
May 11th 2017
221
      Anyone considered the Canadian factor yet?
May 11th 2017
222
      Yooze guys gotta admit, these good Canadian boys deserve atta boyz!
May 11th 2017
227
           The numbers are undeniable.
May 11th 2017
230
                Dude, the LEAGUE is still more than 50% Canadian. Not a high standard
May 11th 2017
233
                     Which makes the Washington Capitals a statistical anomaly.
May 11th 2017
236
                          RE: Which makes the Washington Capitals a statistical anomaly.
May 13th 2017
246
                               The proof is in the links I provided.
May 13th 2017
249
                                    Now you're just running from this
May 15th 2017
259
                                         I ain't running from shit.
May 15th 2017
261
                                              RE: I ain't running from shit.
May 15th 2017
264
      "stars" that ring up 40 pts in their last 60 playoff games
May 11th 2017
223
      He's an incredible player.
May 11th 2017
231
      comparing "game impact" of wingers to centers is difficult.
May 12th 2017
238
      Nah, he got knocked on his ass before the first GL
May 12th 2017
241
      Ovie is an upper midde class man's Ilya Kovalchuk
May 11th 2017
234
      What's his assist totals in playoff games?
May 11th 2017
224
DAMN!
May 11th 2017
225
That's crazy, now watch them knee-jerk and do something dumb
May 11th 2017
228
I've read a lot of crazy shit in the last 48 hours
May 11th 2017
229
      last night some guy from the 4th period said trade backs or kuzy
May 11th 2017
232
           lol @ trading a franchise center
May 12th 2017
240
           I'd trade Ovi though or put him in the Vegas sweepstakes
May 12th 2017
244
                Expose him to the expansion draft? Are you fucking crazy?
May 13th 2017
248
                     Maybe David Poile can fleece them again
May 14th 2017
250
                          If you're going to mention the Forsberg/Erat trade
May 14th 2017
251
                          That's an interesting thought, kind of a good trade partner
May 14th 2017
254
leave it to the Cap's to break Mr. Game 7
May 12th 2017
237
      He played like shit.
May 12th 2017
239
      nope Cap's fault
May 12th 2017
242
           DOROTHY MANTOOTH IS A SAINT
May 12th 2017
243
      i could count his noticeable shifts on my fingers
May 13th 2017
245
           intense faces and beautiful hair is plenty!
May 14th 2017
252
                second that hair tho
May 14th 2017
256
                     Mane coifed, bubbly quaffed, stick in the house with a wimpy wrist shot
May 15th 2017
266
Nashville takes Game 1
May 13th 2017
247
Pens have looked like shit at home these last few games
May 14th 2017
253
That one coulda gone either way
May 14th 2017
255
Pens lost game 1 vs TB last year at home too
May 14th 2017
257
      yeah i mean they lost by a goal in overtime, no reason to panic
May 15th 2017
260
They'll pull through.
May 14th 2017
258
      I'm not worried but it's frustrating as a Pens fan
May 15th 2017
262
           I couldn't have less sympathy.
May 15th 2017
263
           fuck a show this is the playoffs, you gotta get out alive
May 15th 2017
265
Is there anything similar to the Fleury career arc?
May 16th 2017
267
MAF's Sv% in 2009 was a garbage .908
May 16th 2017
268
I will never forget games 6 and 7 of that detroit series
May 16th 2017
269
      that basically encompasses him.
May 16th 2017
270
He reminds me of Big Ben
May 17th 2017
271
Ben is beloved by home fans (outside of the character thing)
May 17th 2017
272
      I feel like most of the heat on MAF is national, not local but maybe not
May 19th 2017
279
Lmao
May 17th 2017
273
      *Shrug* bad periods happen
May 17th 2017
274
           I know, but it's a prime example of Fluery.
May 17th 2017
275
Does Fluery get another chance or do we stick with Murray?
May 18th 2017
276
Not even a question Fleury starts
May 19th 2017
281
      LOL and minutes later Murray named the starter
May 19th 2017
282
           Yeah I knew Murray would go though it seems unfair.
May 19th 2017
283
           Fluery stepped up but he was the backup for a reason
May 19th 2017
285
           Pens have scored 2 or less in 6 straight games
May 19th 2017
286
                You're overlooking something.
May 20th 2017
291
                     yeah that was part of it for sure
May 20th 2017
293
           haha
May 19th 2017
284
Biggest game in Preds history*
May 18th 2017
277
With apologies to Chuck....
May 18th 2017
278
      I picked the Preds to win this series but it's a coin flip, really
May 19th 2017
280
           I thought you were a ducks fan?
May 19th 2017
287
                No. Flyers. Ducks are gonna win the series now for sure BTW
May 20th 2017
292
                     Hmm
May 21st 2017
298
                          hard to foresee the injuries evening up at the last second
May 21st 2017
301
Gutsy Sullivan with a Gutsy Gutsy call to gut out a gutsy win
May 19th 2017
288
It was the right move.
May 19th 2017
289
      for sure i think loyalty is the only reason against it
May 20th 2017
294
Johansen out for season.
May 20th 2017
290
brutal break for them, a shame really. it was a pretty nothing play, too
May 20th 2017
295
      Forsberg slots to C1
May 20th 2017
296
           dunno why everyone thought that, lotta experts said the same
May 21st 2017
302
Impressive win by NSH
May 20th 2017
297
Sullivan's gutsy goalie change proving to be right yet again
May 21st 2017
299
I smell sarcasm.
May 21st 2017
300
      yeah it's not a slight to either guy b/w sens are unglued now
May 21st 2017
303
      A win is a win, I just don't like how this ended for Fleury
May 21st 2017
304
           It's not over. Murray could get replaced.
May 21st 2017
305
                he could but it's his job to lose
May 22nd 2017
306
                     As it should be.
May 22nd 2017
308
Looks like Rakell (and Eaves) out, Gibson likely in for Ducks
May 22nd 2017
307
RE: Looks like Rakell (and Eaves) out, Gibson likely in for Ducks
May 22nd 2017
309
      I think there may have been too much emphasis on injuries
May 22nd 2017
310
           Agreed.
May 22nd 2017
311
           They announced his second goal for Aberg
May 22nd 2017
315
                I don't know....
May 22nd 2017
316
           it depends in the end injuries did swing this series in large part
May 23rd 2017
320
                Bruh.. I was born and raised in Pittsburgh.
May 23rd 2017
321
                     Great guy, very reserved but he does a lot behind the scenes
May 25th 2017
346
Congratulations to the Nashville Predators for winning the Western
May 22nd 2017
312
It's worth it to watch Carlyle and his stupid face in the presser.
May 22nd 2017
313
He cried a lot in the postgame, which is funny because ...
May 23rd 2017
318
RE: Congratulations to the Nashville Predators for winning the Western
May 22nd 2017
314
check you inbox, bud, and congratulations.
May 23rd 2017
319
so glad the Ducks are done
May 23rd 2017
317
I have such a neutral feeling about this Game 7
May 25th 2017
322
I think I want the Sens, but I'm not even sure due to same logic
May 25th 2017
323
I think the Senators take this game
May 25th 2017
324
man.. I wouldn't be surprised either way
May 25th 2017
326
They had a lot of energy in the last game but who knows?
May 25th 2017
327
Either Craig Anderson steals another one
May 25th 2017
325
Ottawa couldn't sell out game 6 of a conference finals.
May 25th 2017
328
      i don't have a good feeling right now.
May 25th 2017
329
           Yah.
May 25th 2017
330
Kessel is having a helluva period.
May 25th 2017
331
that was a bullshit penalty
May 25th 2017
334
Every minute that passes increases Ottawa's chances.
May 25th 2017
332
This is some bullshit. Way too many blown chances in OT.
May 25th 2017
333
      YES.
May 25th 2017
335
           The Preds also trap, including the 1-3-1
May 25th 2017
341
                I would like to see less shot blocking
May 25th 2017
343
                They're not boring though.
May 25th 2017
345
                     right but you were talking about a rule change against the system, no?
May 26th 2017
357
Whew!!! That was a nail biter. Hats off to those pesky Senators
May 25th 2017
336
Karlsson is the best player in the league right now.
May 25th 2017
339
      IMO he has also taken the mantle from Datsyuk as the classiest player
May 25th 2017
349
what a game and hats off to chris fucking kunitz
May 25th 2017
337
The Stanley Cup Finals: Pittsburgh vs. Nashville.
May 25th 2017
338
Ducks news today, shit ton of injuries
May 25th 2017
340
even by NHL standards that's a serious list
May 25th 2017
342
It definitely throws a wrench in their plans
May 25th 2017
347
      Question about the expansion draft.....
May 26th 2017
351
           My suspicions confirmed.
May 26th 2017
352
                RE: Preds blueline - not necessarily
May 26th 2017
353
                Preds will likely go 8/1 but I think teams want to avoid that, and they ...
May 26th 2017
358
                yup.
May 26th 2017
355
                     they want the market to succeed badly
May 26th 2017
359
Contrast Carlyle's presser with Boucher's.
May 25th 2017
344
      Boucher is awesome, man, no idea how he had to toil in Switzerland
May 25th 2017
348
           He probably deserves the most credit for this run.
May 25th 2017
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                He's up there, Karlsson and Ryan have been great
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I cant believe that series
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Yup.
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RE: managed to score a ticket for game 3
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Not many sports tickets worth that.....
May 26th 2017
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that's not bad
May 29th 2017
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Lavy getting one by the censors
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LOL The Pens went 5 for 11 tonight
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Fewest shots by a winning team in a finals game
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Disappointed but feeling good
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      No way that game happens again in game 2
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      that's not happening.
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that's ridiculous.
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Preds played brilliantly and deserved to win.
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      Sometimes only goaltending matters
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           Pens looked like they went into prevent mode
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           IMO even Rinne played well enough to win
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Don't get why some "experts" are talking like Nashville won the game
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Like the Pens haven't made a habit of that
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like we haven't seen this before with the Pens
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Complete shitting of the bed in the third
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I've admittedly seen very little of Nashville this year
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      they had a lot of ups and downs all year, plus in the conference finals
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I don't know how the Pens do it
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Works when Murray is stopping everything
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      I just saw this stat
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           on the broadcast they said 6-1
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everyone keeps saying Pens are being outplayed
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fewer and fewer people are saying that as the games go by
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In the first game they were definitely outplayed, yesterday less so
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People talk like efficiently converting chances is being lucky/playing b...
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      i could see if it was our first rodeo but we been doing this for a while
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      they shot 45% in the first game. FORTY FIVE
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           No game 1 was historically crazy
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                20% Sh% is unsustainable as a strategy or plan
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                Even Game 2 is a stretch
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according to Yahoo, 69% of high danger scoring chances are NSH
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      Fully respecting the Pens ability to convert
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      Pens are shooting almost 20% in these playoffs
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      They are opportunistic and poised, I give them that.
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           It's all come together for them (again)
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                Last year it was easy to see coming, they played great at the end
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... and we have a series.
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We get blown out once a series, I'm not worried
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I love it
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      Because this literally looks like what we've done the whole time
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      your logic is we cheated death before, so let's jump off a bridge again
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           LOL. When did he say it was a brilliant strategy?
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                he didn't go that far but basically said there was no cause for concern
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                     I'm no more concerned than I was in any other round
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                          Still have a lead in the series and home ice, sure
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                               Nah, tonight is their best chance bruh
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                               Going up 3-0>3-1. BTW it's 2-2
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                                    We're gonna see so many "don't forget Letang is out tweets"
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                                         still trying to figure out why maatta is still in the nhl
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                               If they play like shit tonight I'll be worried
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      Were you at the game?
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           RE: Were you at the game?
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That was fucking awesome.
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It was one game. Y'all need to chill
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just watch the highlights. jesus
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      Too bad you can't add up all the goals to see who wins the series
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Also correcting an earlier post, NHL is no longer majority Canadian
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Off topic...
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my squad
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Sweet ass time waster. Here is my team
Jun 05th 2017
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      No Grubauer or Fleury
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           Korpisalo and Raanta are both better than Grubauer
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                as a Caps fan I'm required to think that Grubauer is a future all-star
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                     I didn't know first and second year players didn't need protection
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                          guys with NMCs, many guys on ELCs, etc.
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                               stocking an entire farm system must be hard as hell
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                                    50 contract max makes it even tougher
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Just gotta hold home ice
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hahaha
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Hey that looks familiar
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All those chances... smh
Jun 05th 2017
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© every team the Pens have faced so far
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Just a reminder that Rinne is good b/w still out-shot in all four games
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Goddammit
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      Sounds cool but I don't know if the Pens have no pushback, Preds in 7
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I wonder how long Sullivan sticks with Murray
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Murray will start in Game 5. Rinne was better in Gm4 but Murry was OK
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      congrats to Sid for scoring his first SCF goal since 2009
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      yeah he basically missed lol.
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      There's my real opinion on Crosby
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      LOL this is sad
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      Bruh, we had like 3 or 4 breakaways and scored 1 goal last game
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SCF Game 5
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Lmao
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Dumpster fire
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Wow, Pittsburgh came out skating hard AF
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That was fun
Jun 09th 2017
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Crosby had no fuck around time.
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Smuts was correct about the trading market approaching.
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dude mcphee's phone has been ringing off the hook for a month-plus
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      Question....
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           Probably
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Post 7 bitches!!! 4-1-2
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Well Nashville sure seems like a bunch of cool fans
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Most memorable part of 2017.
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      RE: Most memorable part of 2017.
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           The chants were cool, the booing the Pens post game was shit
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                I don't disagree
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That bad call on the 1st goal sucks, but it's not THAT huge
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We weren't losing that game.
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I mean there was ONE GOAL in the whole game. Pretty huge
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Congratulations, Pittsburgh Penguins.
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Will sting for a while
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I would be pissed at that first goal being reversed
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yeah. I got in late and missed that part but I was like
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Great series and GREAT playoffs all around.
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Yup. Someone tell Barry Trotz though
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RE: Great series and GREAT playoffs all around.
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I know it's early but I can see the Pens making a 3rd run at the cup
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They are contenders every year for at least a few more
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Win another Cup, OK, but three straight? Can't see it
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we are early favorites
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Agreed.
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Sidney's Crosby took the Cup to Rite Aid and and a local grocery store
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Shaving cream, gummy bears, cond---OH SHIT THE STANLEY CUP
Jun 12th 2017
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      As the board's true hockey guy. Where do you see Sid ranking eventually?
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           I have thinking about that a lot this year
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                Thanks for that thought out answer
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                I hate losing to him
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                even D and forwards I think are somewhat difficult to compare
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                Interesting read.....
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                     If they hadn't got Crosby they wouldn't have a hockey team today
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                     but we did...
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                     Mario might as well be Mayor of this city
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                          They paid him in stock which made it easier to buy the team
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                          he also took a cheap ass salary in 97 when he came back
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                          look at what he made when he came back b/w Pens luck
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                               I hate this mindset on teams that rebuild
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                                    I mean
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                                    And the caps got the best goal scorer in how many years?
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                                         The Caps obviously got lucky
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                                         cmon man
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                                              I'm not denying the luck to it
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                                                   Edmonton painfully disagrees with anyone who actually thinks its easy
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                                    RE: I hate this mindset on teams that rebuild
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                     RE: Interesting read.....
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Preds lose assistant Phil Housley, new HC in Buffalo
Jun 15th 2017
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was a done deal during the playoffs
Jun 16th 2017
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Jonathan Drouin heading home to Montreal
Jun 15th 2017
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good deal for both teams, exaxtly
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      Regarding the picks
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           I'd be slightly surprised he if played 40 games for TB next year.
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1. "oh, The Wild...hello, friends (c) Jim Nantz"
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2. "I'm rooting for the WC Canadian teams."
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4. "Well fuck you, buddy..."
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Go Sharks!

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6. "lol"
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I like the Sharks too. I like any long-suffering non-rival team.

  

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10. "Exactly! WE are supposed to be in this together! "
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>I like the Sharks too. I like any long-suffering non-rival
>team.

As bad as the Oilers have been, they still had Gretzky in his prime, 5(?) cups in the 80s...and now they have soon to be the greatest player on the planet... but you want to give them a sympathy cheer?? smh...

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13. "lol"
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I feel bad for some Canadian hockey fans. Watching US teams win every year, and franchise after franchise get moved south of the border.

Fuck Bettman, basically.

  

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74. "Calgary's gone and Edmonton's all you have left for now."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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78. "ok."
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3. "Pretty good first round"
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In some ways thinking about the playoffs makes me realize most if not all the teams are flawed, especially when factoring in who is limping around (and in some cases who is out). But on the flip side I have seen almost all these teams turn in great performances lately and the matchups are pretty good.

I'll come back with picks and thoughts later.

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5. "Sharks in 6..."
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The Oilers are a good young team... Hopefully McDavid doesn't become a legend in the playoffs... TMac is gonna have his boys ready, but I like the Sharks chances... Jumbo and Couture coming back... looking forward to another long run...

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7. "Lord Stanley ain't leaving the Burgh"
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9. "It's very, very hard to repeat"
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I can't see the Penguins doing it without Letang at all and without Malkin at 100%. They should be able to beat Columbus but not without taking some bumps and bruises. I think the Caps are going to have their 2003 Spurs moment where they smell blood in the water and take it to the Pens in Round 2.

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19. "Caps will NEVER beat us in the playoffs. EVER!!! "
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20. "whew, Legs...this could be a bad look, lol"
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32. "Caps are some choking ass chokers"
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43. "and so it begins.. "
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8. "The Stanley Cup playoffs are officially cancelled"
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due to the absence of the Detroit Red Wings

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Toronto / Washington

A lot of people are picking this series to be close or something. I guess it's Washington's reputation and the newness of Toronto. Washington is a much, much better team. The Leafs have talent and very good coaching, that is why I think it will be a short series of close games (think 2014 Stanley Cup Final, maybe less overtime action though). Like four real close games and one beatdown maybe. The Caps are fucking stacked. The Leafs don't have much of a defense and most of their players can't order a beer in the U.S. The Caps have made 10 straight postseasons, the Leafs have made one in 10 years (actually 11). I think Babcock's brilliance is the only thing that won't let it get away from them. Instead of breaking down for whole games, it'll be for five or ten minute stretches. But it will happen.


Columbus / Pittsburgh

The Penguins have a lot of injuries but guys are slowly getting back, apart from Letang who is probably their second most important player after Crosby. Fortunately for them Columbus backed into the playoffs and generally underwhelmed after the All-Star break. This is going to be a competitive series but the Penguins are the better team, plus they have a chance to improve as the series progresses. Getting Werenski back should help the Columbus PP but not enough. Look at their splits, guys like Atkinson and Foligno were definitely worse after the break. They won't be able to score enough to win, though they will probably slow Pittsburgh down enough to make it a six or maybe even a seven game series.

Montreal / Rangers

In a way I feel the least strongly about the winner of this series so instead of equivocating I will make a bold, overcompensating prediction with unwarranted specificity and low probability. I think the Rangers will win the series in six or possibly seven games after Montreal takes a 2-0 lead and they make a goalie change. One of these series is going to swing a goalie change and it might be this one or Chicago if Nashville comes out hot. So Montreal takes the first two at Le Centre Bell, where Lundqvist has been terrible (and it was pretty saucy overall down the stretch). Then they go to Raanta and he shuts it down. Keeping Montreal off the board is not hard. Basically Montreal has the edge in goal but they need Price to be great, the Rangers just need their goaltending to be above average to good. Of course the Rangers offense has had tendencies to blow up in one direction or the other, so disregarding my not that likely scenario, the series might just hinge on which team shows up. I like how Kreider, Zucs, Hayes and some of their other guys are playing, but Nash was hurt by the compressed schedule and Grabner is cold as fuck. He holds the most misleading "leading scorer" title in the playoffs, and it's not close.

Ottawa / Boston

Ottawa had their number but most of the games were tight. Ottawa losses aside, the Bruins played well down the stretch. No Krug, no Carlo to start the series. I am thinking no Krug at all. Ottawa's defense is banged up but they should have all their guys, with the possible exception of Methot. Ottawa swept the series (Montreal did the same to the Rangers) but here I am a little more confident picking against them. Special teams are not good. You can have a weak PP or maybe get away with letting a couple in on the power play, but not both. Ottawa needs to keep the game 5on5 because Boston is strong in both areas. They also got better 5on5 and have more experience. I like Boston to win out over seven games but it should be a very tight series. I love Guy Boucher, I think he would get my vote for the Jack Adams. Probably Babcock will get it though.

Anaheim / Calgary

Calgary has been terrible in Anaheim and the Ducks have home ice. Ostensibly this is a close matchup but Anaheim beat them pretty solid during the season, too. The Ducks are the hottest team in the West and they have several players who are rolling (Getzlaf, Eaves, et al). Gibson looks very good and Bernier was the best No. 2 down the stretch. The Flames have a handful of really good players and they are ballsy. They also had a real hot stretch through February and March; Elliott was on point. I just think the Ducks have more going on and I also think Carlyle is a better coach than Glen Gulutzzzzzzzzzan. Lindholm is back, Fowler is not and he was injured against the Flames. This could be a long series though and it has the best potential for "old-time hockey," or, in layman's term, 20 guys punching 20 other guys in the face. These are two of the fightingest teams in the league, they are divisional rivals and there is bad blood from the last meeting.


Edmonton / San Jose

San Jose has a deeper, more experienced team but they also have some guys limping around. To go deep last year, send guys to the World Cup and then play a compressed schedule, wow, that's a lot to ask. I think the same of Pittsburgh, but they have a potentially favorable first-round matchup. The Sharks do not. The Oilers have the best first line in the West and maybe the entire league. McDavid is the best offensive player in the league, Draisaitl is explosive in his own right and Maroon is a surprisingly good player in today's NHL. He is really good and stopping pucks and starting possessions/cycles. He also goes to the net and stops, plus he holds his ground well. They aren't a one-line team though, their second line is starting to cook. Eberle, Lucic and the Nuge will have to be good, keeping the puck away from Burns and relieving some pressure on that top line by scoring a little. Vlasic and Braun have to be *great* for San Jose. I just didn't like the way San Jose finished the season at all. On the flip side, Edmonton is going pretty strong. They also have good goaltending. I don't think their defense is good enough to win it all but I like them in this round.

Chicago / Nashville

This could be a very fun series. The Predators are probably the most wildly inconsistent team in the playoffs, which is kind of intriguing in the context of a seven-game series. This could be a very high-scoring series, lots of firepower. Nashville opens it up and if they have a lead then Chicago will be forced to do the same. A problem for Nashville is that they are pretty weak on the road and obviously do not have home ice here. Rinne is going to have to be the best goalie in the round for them to win. I like Chicago in six games with plenty of goals and highlights. Nashville has a very active defense, which is big because scoring down low against Chicago is not easy. The Hawks top six should be able to feast on Nashville, who has an exciting defense but not a real gritty one.

Minnesota / St Louis

The Wild seem to have gotten it together in the last half a dozen games but the Blues have been consistently sold down the stretch. Minnesota should definitely win this series, consider the depth they have everywhere but in goal, which isn't important during the playoffs. The Blues have been a team built for the regular season for years now and the sweeping changes they made didn't change that, they just made them less talented. I wouldn't be shocked if the Wild blow it but it would be a choke job; they have a very solid team all the way through. I am more interested to see what kind of momentum they come out with to see if they can beat Chicago in the next round.

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12. "you said every team has a weakness"
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what's the Caps' weakness besides, you know... the whole choking thing.

This is about as complete a team as you see in the NHL, imo. No HOF defender like Keith/Doughty... Letang? But still.

Alzner and Orpik kinda suck, but they wouldn't destroy a strong team.

  

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15. "Municipal and historical handicap."
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>what's the Caps' weakness besides, you know... the whole
>choking thing.

Apart from that they might be the first time in Anaheim in 07 or maybe Detroit in 08 that was so good that you could peg them from the start.

>This is about as complete a team as you see in the NHL, imo.
>No HOF defender like Keith/Doughty... Letang? But still.

Their overall defensive depth is better than those teams have.

>Alzner and Orpik kinda suck, but they wouldn't destroy a
>strong team.

They definitely have the best team on paper and not in a way that they have in years past when they flopped. Last year I knew the Penguins would beat them, this year I do not think so at all.

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14. "Definitely a tough match up for the Sharks..."
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I'm hoping their playoff experience helps... They did limp along towards the end of the season, but this is the new season... I'm looking forward to it...

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18. "Couture and Thornton are both put together with string and chewing gum"
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Did you read the thing Purdy wrote about Couture's mouth? Jesus Christ.

I really like the way Edmonton is playing right now. Nobody wants to play them. Their defense probably isn't good enough to beat Chicago but I think they will win this series and be very competitive against Anaheim.

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16. "Thought about it more and I will go Habs in 7"
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Price has to be great for them to win but lucky for them he is playing at the top of his game.

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17. "wow...Hitch back to the Stars"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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22. "They needed a veteran coach, I think it is a good hire"
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More like the Blues stint for Hitch than the Blue Jackets stint.

I think Travis Green is the next coach to get hired, probably in Florida. Vancouver would be smart to hire him but let's face it that is a dead-end job. If he has another offer, he will probably take it. I wonder what other vacancies will pop open soon. I thought probably Winnipeg and New Jersey. I think Sutter would be a good fit for Winnipeg.

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21. "Pittsburgh was the only home team that won tonight."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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23. "Eh a lot of the games were fluky, most coulda gone either way"
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The Blues had their goalie steal a game. If the Wild play four more games at any point in the series like that, they win the series.

Montreal has had a hard time scoring but Price was sharp and they bottled up the Rangers speed a bit. That series is a coin flip.

The Oilers definitely fell apart as the game went on but we'll see how they adjust. The Sharks were definitely the better team overall thanks to a kickass third period and they took it to them in OT. I still think that series could go either way.

Boston I expect to beat Ottawa but tonight's game showed it should be a long series or at least a bunch of close games. Nice to see Bobby Ryan score; he has had a tough year.

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24. "I think the Oil had like 4 SOG in the 3rd pd"
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26. "SJ had the puck the whole time and also had tremendous forecheck"
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They just smothered their defense. That third defense pairing is not very good. They need someone who can move the puck better than Gryba. Nurse was rushed IMO, needed more time in the minors, but I don't think they have one good replacement, let alone two. He just needs to play better.

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29. "https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-29-2015/IanStu.gif"
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https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-29-2015/IanStu.gif

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25. "Draisaitl better wake the fuck up for Game 2"
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I thought the Oilers second line played well yesterday, some of their supporting guys in the bottom six were adequate or better. Defense was decent. If they don't get production from that top line, they aren't going to win. The Sharks were all over McDavid, a guy on him and another over the top with a third guy sometimes supporting. Draisaitl needs to get it in gear, he can make plays solo and has explosiveness. If he doesn't get it going, McDavid is going to be suffocated and that line won't score. Another thing they could consider doing is moving McDavid to a wing, that would complicate what SJ did last night and give him more opportunities to create space and get to the net.

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27. "Las Vegas Golden Knights name Gerard Gallant first head coach "
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in franchise history.

Nice hire, did a good job with Florida and was fired seemingly without cause.

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28. "D up, JAKE! (c)Ray Allen in He Got Game.....51 Saves!!!..."
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but on the real, we better start getting that fucking puck out of the defensive zone...can't put the kid under that much stress on the regular. Parayko was trash. Bouwmeester was our best defenseman, not named Petro.

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30. "Petro also got robbed of the game winner"
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99% he was going to score there, great penalty by Suter

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36. "Fuck yeah....Edmundson, and Schwartz...stole 2 on the road"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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38. "I would not be surprised to see it 2-2 after four."
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This series is super tight, I mean how Minnesota did win one of those two games is beyond me. Great series, I thought this and the NYR-Mon were the two most even matchups

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31. "gutsy comeback for Game 1"
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Maple Leafs came out in Pd 1 and straight punched the Caps in the mouth. Caps eventually recovered and worked hard for the win.

Anderson had some ridiculous glove saves all game, plus the sprawling pinwheel save on Burakovsky early in OT. Then Tom Wilson just put it in the perfect spot to end it.

Maple Leafs really shut down the Caps outlet passes and zone exits and it limited the Caps attack all night. The few times the Caps got good exits it usually led to a good offensive possession.

  

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33. "soft goal and a reminder to the leafs that they are still the leafs"
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that's just a terrible angle to allow a short-side goal from. not blaming andersen for the loss, he played very well overall, but yeah that's a bad goal. he has to prove he can come up big in the biggest moments. he definitely played worse from games 5-7 against chicago than he did in the previous 13 games or whatever it was in the 2015 playoffs.

anyway i am not surprised, like i said at the start i expect mostly games like this. very close throughout, caps win at the end. they are facing a talented albeit inexperienced team and the best coach in the business.

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40. "Babcock mostly out-coached Trotz in Game 1"
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Killing the Caps outlet game nearly allowed the Leafs to steal it. Hoping/assuming the Caps staff will have an answer going forward.

  

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34. "Last six game 1 shutouts for the hawks = series loss"
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Preds ready to make some noise

  

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37. "Seems like a worthless stat but yeah this is gonna be a long series"
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EJ Hradek said Preds would take it 7, I thought 6. This was unexpected though, road 1-0 win in Game 1? I would love to see them pull it off but one game is nothing for the Hawks. We have seen them come back from 3-1 like it was nothing.

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35. "Radulov's 1st Playoff goal in 5 years helps Montreal tie the series. "
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39. "That was a great game holy shit"
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Hank is in vintage form. That Plekanec goal was a beauty. VERY patient approach there. My dad was like "shoot the goddamn puck!" and I said wait for it ... wait for it ... and then they got the puck to the right wing side I knew something was going to happen. Kind of a shitty play by Holden there. He couldn't clear Plekanec out, ended up breaking his stick with his last attempt and then there wasn't much he could do to take away his position or his stick. Basically he could just nudge him like a bitch.

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41. "Suspensions I think Calvert one game, Kassian none"
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Kassian was just a big hit, maybe in some really protective lower-level league it was a suspension but I can't see it here. He played an awesome game, too.

Calvert kind of lost his shit at the end there. I think he will get suspended mainly because his stick broke. In the end it was a feud between two pretty insignificant players and that series is looking like a short one so who cares?

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42. "looked like a double minor to me"
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seems prety light to be talking suspension

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50. "Calvert you mean? I think he got a minor, no penalty on Kassian"
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They suspended him, probably if he were a star it would have been just a fine. He also made kind of a spectacle of the whole thing, which didn't help his cause.

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53. "ya. 2 min XC 2 min roughing. dont like the league making up for the re..."
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2 hard minors back to back and if they had both been called there would be no suspension

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44. "OUCH @ Calgary losing on a fluke goal."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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45. "I think Toronto is going to bet the caps."
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And it's got alot to do with coaching. They've outplayed the caps (I'd peg it at 4 periods to 2). I don't think we'll see the Caps win in Toronto. Babcock is already exploiting matchups. When he has home-ice advantage that will be amplified. I think there's a good chance the next two games in Toronto aren't even close. I'm thinking 4 to 1 type scorelines.

I've only skimmed the other series...but I think the Pens are going to repeat.

  

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46. "there's been basically 8 periods"
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#fancystats have the Caps up 4 periods to 2, with two even periods. That's what my lying eyes have more or less seen. The two even periods were both OT periods last night in which the Caps were the better team with more high percentage chances.

http://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20162017&game=30131

http://naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20162017&game=30132#

In OT Ovi got it past Anderson twice and both times it squeaked through his pads just wide. Then JC74 did the same exact thing. That's just puck luck. Two Leafs goals came when a Caps defender lost a stick.

**All that being said, Leafs are playing great** and Trotz is getting miserably outcoached. Slow defenders like Alzner are killing the Caps against Toronto's speed. But I'm not fatalistic.... yet.

And as a Caps fan, I know fatalistic.

  

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48. "Anaheim could fuck around and win this thing"
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The same way I picked Pittsburgh because they were the best team in the last 20 games of the season, I would argue that Anaheim was that this year.

I don't think Washington will lose to Toronto. So far the series has gone roughly how I figured. Almost all close games. Caps still have more players and more skill. Leafs just lost another D also. I would be fucking shocked if the Caps ended up losing the series, but I am not at all surprised that it's close.

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54. "uh oh.. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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55. "And now Toronto's just 2 wins away from it."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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59. "I hope it goes 7 and everyone gets hurt"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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47. "Minny pulls he goalie with 2:10 left..."
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Petro and Bouwmeester with the balls defense to get Steen the empty-netter, insurance goal. Schwartz had a another great game and Jake stood tall, once again. 3-1, boys.

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51. "stood tall is an understatement"
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3 goals in 117 shots.

Poor Bruce Boudreau

  

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52. "kid has a .974 save percentage, sheesh"
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49. "Edmonton up 2-1"
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Big win tonight in San Jose. Very well-played game, neither team was giving much. Two good coaches and two good teams. I don't get why people are surprised, Edmonton came into the playoffs playing well. The Sharks need Pavelski and Vlasic to pick it up because their other stars are either operating a low capacity or getting keyed on big time. Edmonton seems pretty determined not to let Burns beat them. Pavelski is a guy who does his thing in a way that's hard to really plan against. Justin Williams is like that, too, and that's why they are both good playoff players. This isn't like the Minnesota series where they are hitting a hot goalie. It's a very tight playing surface out there going both ways, so he's gotta find a way to get to the net and tip the pucks that they do manage to get there.

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56. "Preds with a huge comeback win to go up 3-0 on hawks"
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Down 2-0 going into the third. Prince Filip of Sweden with two goals in the third and a complete domination of OT before finally getting one in.

  

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58. "Tale of two games. They kicked ass when it counted"
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I fully expect them to beat St Louis.

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57. "LoELliott"
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Glen Gulutzan reliving that playoff collapse in Dallas all over again.

This series proves something I have always thought. If you dominate a team, you might be hot while they're flat. But if you can continue to beat a team with half-assed to average play, then you're definitely better than they are.

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60. "that familiar feeeeeeling"
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The total fucking breakdown by all five Caps skaters on the GTG yesterday is everything that's wrong with how they're playing.

Up 3-1, dick a 5-on-3 (Shattenkirk missing the net three times including a wide open net), lose the game.

And Trotz's inability to adjust for anything or play Ovechkin more than 15 (!) minutes.

  

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62. "this may just be who they are. Perhaps it's not meant to be."
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63. "Even Shattdeuces is fuckin up."
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65. "That 5on3 was atrocious.This is their chance.If they lose this year, tha..."
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There is no tomorrow for this group, this is the best team they have ever had and it's the best team they are ever going to have. If they fuck this up, they will never win the Cup. There's not like some second chance bubbling up underneath, there isn't some big window. This is it. They knew that and that's why they paid a lot to rent Shattenkirk. Obviously a lot of teams are having disappointing first rounds but there is no reason to believe that Chicago and Minnesota can't be as good or better next year. The Caps, it's pretty much impossible since they will lose key players to free agency.

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61. "boston got fucking screwed by the refs"
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not only was that clearly a case for matching minors, but the guy who should have been in the box scores the power play game winner? embarrassing.
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64. "Not a great call but I don't think it lost them the game."
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This was a game where they trailed 3-0, for openers. They were perfectly capable of losing it for themselves.

The play itself, Ryan has stick and he gives kind of an awkward shot there. Could it have been elbowing? Yes. Did he clock him with it? No, it wasn't a big enough to deal even phase anyone. The retaliation gets seen and when you throw a punch, it definitely gets seen.

Obviously they could have killed the penalty, too. They make a bad change there and give two skilled players a lot of room and time to do their thing.

Ottawa was the better team yesterday. Game 4 is big for Boston; I still think this goes the distance.

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66. "that's fine as an overall point, but that elbow is a blatant penalty."
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it was to the head. open and shut case. refs missed it. yeah, nash shouldn't have lightly punched him, but refs need to get it right (nevermind the Schaller debacle earlier where he got a penalty for getting smushed in the face. how dare he let himself get hit!)

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68. "You don't often hear Pierre McGuire get that fired up ..."
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without teenage boys in underwear being present.

It should have been matching minors but "he comes in hard" and acting like this was a Macho Man flying elbow aren't really right there. They missed one but the second penalty was legit and the Bruins had the same opportunity to kill it as every other team does, which 85% of the time results in nothing happening.

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67. "Holy shit Sharks"
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69. "TJ Oshie said not tonight suckas"
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not even the refs could steal that goal

edit: or assist on another one. Props to the refs helping TOR score that 5th goal. Nice keep in.

  

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70. "That goalie interference call was some bullshit"
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Should have been a goal.

Side note...I think Eric Karlsson is the best player in the league right now.

  

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71. "Karlsson is way up there for sure"
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Keith and Doughty didn't exactly have banner years. Weber and Subban were good with some lulls. Karlsson and Brent Burns were the two best D in the league this year.

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72. "great win by the Caps and I'm still pissed about that call"
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by the rule book, by anything, just so clearly a garbage call.

Backstrom was shoved into the goalie, and the goalie grabbed Backstrom to maintain contact. And Backstrom barely touched the goalie and quite clearly didn't affect the (non) save.

Such garbage.

It''s idiotic that a ref goes over to the booth and reviews his own call. There's nearly no incentive to tell the hockey world you just dicked a call.

  

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79. "These goalie interference calls are ridiculous."
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First the caps...then the blue jackets....then the bruins.

This is gonna be a running theme for the rest of the playoffs.

  

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73. "You'll never, ever convince me that fighting makes any sense"
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in today's game.

Just watched a fight in the MON-NYR game.

It's such a weird practice.

  

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75. "Nashville gets their 1st ever Playoff sweep. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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77. "damn"
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81. "They look soooo fucking dangerous right now"
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You could look at their season on a macro level and think WTF? They were a bad road team, they were really inconsistent and they had the worst record of the eight teams in the West that qualified.

But if toss out a couple crappy stretches they were a lot better, that food poisoning outbreak and some other injuries hurt them. In November Rinne was lights out and then around New Year's they were good again, at times down the stretch, too. They kept showing flashes of what they could be and that was a deep team that didn't rely on any one guy or one line or one pairing.

You look at their team, they don't have any point-per-game guys but they have guys who are above-average scorers for their role through much of their lineup. Even some of their muscle like Watson can chip in a little, along with other guys more or less in checking roles (e.g. Fisher, Wilson).

This is the kind of potential they showed at their best during the year and then some. Subban is playing simple and it is very effective. Their other D are all hustling and they have good defensive forwards to begin with. Great structure here and Rinne was saving everything he could see. He has been very streaky in recent years but when he gets hot he is still very much an elite goaltender.

I think the Blues are in trouble against these guys. They played that first-round series like a team no one wants to face. Kind of reminds me of the Kings when they were the team no one wanted to play, but honestly these guys dominated the fuck out of Chicago while the Kings, relatively speaking, squeaked past Vancouver that year.

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84. "I can't see past them in the West right now"
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Brother in law was complaining how the one year Chicago gets swept in the first, the Wild are gonna get bounced, too.

Right now (even if the Wild were to do the impossible) I want no parts of Rinne.

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85. "Well they have slipped after surging before so I dunno"
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I think they are in great shape for the next round but I dunno about the conference finals. A lot can happen in a couple weeks. Obviously they will be facing a very good team.

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76. "Pens did the damn thing and can rest while the Caps/Leafs go 7"
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I don't know who I want them to face.

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80. "Leafs easily, they are pushing it a lot harder out there"
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They have some guys who are overlooked for sure, Hyman is a player and doesn't get attention because he doesn't score a ton of points like their other high profile young guys. Kadri has embraced his role and is very good at it. Andersen is still not a clutch goalie though. Murray and Fleury have each won Cups as No. 1 goalies. Firepower for Washington hasn't even woken up yet and they are still winning against a team playing a little over its head. I expect the Caps to close it out in the next game, another nail-biter. You don't think the people in Toronto are not going to get the pleasure of some soul-crushing loss in person?

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82. "Yah"
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Caps are starting to pull away now. Don't think this will go 7. Marner has been underwhelming after such a good season. I still don't understand why Babcock doesn't try playing Marner with Matthews. It seems like a petty stubborn thing. It's so obvious.

  

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83. "Marner was great in the season series, too."
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He is going to be an excellent player, probably like a b or b+ grade Pat Kane. He is not there physically yet, like he's definitely behind Laine (who will be an animal) in that regard. But he is a ballsy player with a lot of skill, I think he can be more of a goal-scorer than he was this year.

I won't guarantee a Washington victory in Game 6 but I feel it. Game 4 felt like a point where the Caps got their feet under them in the series, before that game (and also during it) they couldn't string together one level of play. But they seemed to be figuring things out and Game 5, while close, was probably their best start-to-finish game of the series.

The Leafs are for real and the Oilers are even more for real since they don't have as many kids and the one they had is the best. Boyle was a good start toward pushing toward something immediate, let's see who else they get to bring this group along.

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86. "MAGNUS!!!"
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87. "Oh Bruce"
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88. "Well, at least he was spared another Game 7 home loss."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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99. "eh not much of a fail here, just ran into a hot goalie"
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i have a boudreau-esque resistance to fancy stats but i can tell you that they had the puck for most of the series. you put up 52 shots and get *one* goal in game 1, 42 in game 3 and get *one* goal again ... with fewer shots but great chances in game 2 (again *one* goal) then you are pretty screwed. they ran into a hot goalie and an adequate team that wasn't that much worse than them on an even day.

these guys will be good again next year.

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89. "New York has just won the series. "
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Subban got the last laugh.

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90. "West Round 2 set."
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Anaheim vs. Edmonton
St. Louis vs. Nashville

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91. "And now, the East is set."
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Ottawa vs. New York Rangers
Washington vs. Pittsburgh

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92. "Caps vs Pens"
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93. "Is this still a big rivlary in Caps' fans eyes?"
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I don't mean it in a condescending way, but I feel like this is one of the last playoff matchups left that the NHL can really try to hype and that people still talk about Sid vs Ovi like it's Magic vs Bird, but do fans still see it that way?

Obviously pens fans respect Ovi for being great, but at this point 2 cups in for Sid including going through the Caps to get it last year it feels more like the pressure is about winning because that's just what Pens fans expect, than the pressure of beating a big rival.

I know people hate Crosby outside of the city, but is this still like a big rivalry to prove who the best player is for the team and fans? Like if the Caps win this do they feel they struck a major rivlary win or at this point is it just we need a cup and nothing matters territory?

  

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94. "Pens are Goro on the Caps way to Shang Tsung"
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All along you know Shang Tsung is even harder than Goro, but Goro still fucks you up as if he were his own boss.

No matter, to beat Mortal Kombat you inevitably have to go through both Goro and Shang Tsung.

To date, we can't even get past Goro. And, again, one way or another if the Caps are ever going to the Stanley Cup they will have to get through Pittsburgh at some point along their journey.

So the mood is mixed. There's the "these guys AGAIN" part of it of course. But there's also the knowing that beating this team en route to a Cup win is unavoidable; whether it be last year, this year, or at any point the Caps will eventually have to beat big brother to grow up.

Caps fans are 1 part "fuck, the Pens" and 1 part "FUCK THE PENS!"

  

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100. "9 series all time. pens won 8. all 4 cups have gone through DC"
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that doesn't sound good but all trends get bucked. the blackhawks sucked for decades. the kings never won a cup in like 45 years. one of these years the caps are gonna win.

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95. "Yes. "
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Very much.

It is only amplified by losing to them in recent years.

Edit: as for Sid v Ovechkin I think most reasonable Caps fans know Sid is probably a better player, especially with the 2 cups and being a center, which is a more crucial position.

  

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97. "Ya I suppose I didn't look at it from that angle"
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For Pens fans it's like ah great here come the caps. They treat us like the title is on the line and if they ever win we'll never hear the end of it.

But when you're on the other side of that of course your hate for the other team amplifies by 10X every time they win.

The Crosby vs Ovi argument was probably the one I was more interested in, like I feel that the argument kind of died but people just want it to keep going. A cup win and great showing in this series would obviously rekindle it.

  

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98. "Most Caps blogs/commentariats I read have moved on"
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from Ovi/Sid

They simply care way more about winning a damn title, and beating the Pens whenever possible.

  

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106. "it's like Steeler fans acting like the Pats are a rival. "
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As a Steeler fan I always believe we will win the next win but I'm never surprised when we don't.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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96. "CANT WAIT - Bart Scott (c)"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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101. "We let this drop off the front page?"
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Second round I will go

Anaheim in six, they have more weapons than the Oilers and I think Carlyle is handling the team very well. Oilers are more than just McDavid but will need a *huge* series from him. Ducks have some things to clean up from Round 1, namely their PK. But the Oilers aren't going to get two game-winners from Kassian again and also have a lot to clean up, including taking penalties and handling some bigger guys down low. Getzlaf is playing the best hockey of his career right now. Ducks didn't perform great in the circle in Round 1 but that was a small sample; much better faceoff team than the Oilers. This should be a fun series but I feel confident in the Ducks.

Nashville in five. They are rolling. The Blues didn't really impress me, overall I thought they were outplayed by Minnesota and were bailed out by great goaltending. Too bad Nashville is getting that right now also. Barring a very abrupt about-face, Nashville should win this series and without too much difficulty.

Ottawa in seven. The Rangers have more on paper but the Sens are playing better. Getting the whole Ranger team to roll at once has been difficult, nearly impossible it seems. This is a very even matchup but I just like the way the Sens are playing right now. Karlsson on a trashed foot is better than other defensemen are at 100%.

Reluctantly I am going to stick with Washington. I had Pittsburgh all the way last year and backed off it at the end, which was a mistake. So I will stick with Washington, who I thought would win this series going into the playoffs. Seven games though, it is going to be very tight.

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102. "I've been savoring my four anxiety-free days. "
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It's a bit obvious, but I think Crosby has to ball for the Pens to win. Also Flower needs to not melt down.

Last year the third line beat the Caps, this year that will be a lot harder to pull off.

  

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103. "I'm not worried about Sid showing up"
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If their big guns fire (Sid/Gino/Kessel) then their bottom six can just do bottom six things. Cycle the puck, be physical, protect the puck and get the hell off the ice.

I'm also not worried about either goalie melting down. I think Holtby could be a difference-maker, Fleury will give the Pens a chance but not outright steal anything.

Hard to key on one thing here. If I had to pick something I would say defensive scoring for the Caps. If Shattenkirk and Carlson have a big series, then they should win for sure.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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107. "It definitely comes down to Fluery.. "
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he is either awesome or terrible.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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115. "I don't think so, I think he will give up 2-3 goals in every game"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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121. "it's not how many he gives up... "
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It's how easy he gives them up.

Some days you know from the first 5 minutes he doesn't have it and it will be a blow out.

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ConcreteCharlie
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122. "usually when he gives up easy ones he gives up a lot"
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like that wild ass first round series against the flyers or a couple slow starts he has had to seasons. he is playing well and frankly i think a lot of his shakiness is overstated. luongo, rinne, these guys have had similar issues, too, and still had great careers.

last night he was sharp, he was particularly good protecting the 3-2 lead.

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104. "WCSF games 1"
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As excited as I was the Preds kept rolling, that PK had a monster night, I was just as excited to see the ducks lose and show a little mortality

  

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105. "I caught the 3rd period"
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crazy action

StL manufactures two great goals, then loses the game on a pretty weak play by Jake Allen on a broken play.

  

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108. "I didn't like our play up 2 goals"
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We got very complacent and stopped playing aggressively. We were dominating the first two periods and seemed to just play to hold on, which you can't do.

My source on this is my mom back in Nashville with no ties to the team, so no idea its validity, but word is going around that Kevin Fiala's injury going hard into the boards was a femoral fracture that ruptured his artery. I questioned that, looked like a knee issue with how he hit.

Of course it is the NHL so it'll just be listed as a lower body.

  

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110. "Report is broken femur, out for playoffs"
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I haven't read anything about the femoral artery though

  

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116. "broken femur is career threatening"
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i remember kurtis foster broke his and had a short-lived comeback. that's gotta hurt like hell

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109. "yep...shit ruined my night, lol"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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111. "that'll happen"
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playoff fun!

  

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119. "That was the Jake Allen we know and love"
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112. "shoutout to Kevin Fiala, yo..."
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I didn't know what to think when he went down. The way it looked, I thought his hip had popped out or something. Dude broke his femur and damaged the femoral artery. That's scary stuff.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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113. "smh...not sure how I missed that up above. "
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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117. "Ducks game was pretty much a coin flip"
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Lots of things came down to earth, the goalies in your series and the Ducks play (first regulation loss since March 10). It coulda gone either way, lots of hit posts, streaky goaltending for both teams, etc. The bounces finally went against Anaheim which was due the way they lucked out at times in the Calgary series. The first Larsson goal was a mistake and a good play, the second was a mistake and lucky play. Edmonton giving up two goals in 2:44 to lose a lead hurt but like in the SJ series they bounced back. This is going to be a solid series. Watching McDavid in the playoffs show me he has room to improve, which is scary. He isn't physically mature and they have to dink around a lot to keep him from taking faceoffs. He is still creating all sorts of space for other guys and getting OK production. Teams have to start keying on him while he is still in his D zone, not sure I can think of another player like that.

On one hand the Ducks PK is dragging ass. Two more PPG against last night. On the other they have had some fluky ones. A broken stick on a 5on3 last night, the failed clear in Game 1 against Calgary, etc. It's a small sample size but they need to be better or, better still, stay out of the box. Their 5on5 play was real solid.

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114. "Pens take game 1"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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118. "Third Period was best Caps have looked all playoffs, but hockey is fickl..."
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I don't come out of tonight's loss feeling my usual doom and gloom D.C. sports fan self, I'm actually very encouraged. Here's hoping they return saturday wih the same intensity.

  

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120. "Pens rarely win Game 1s in DC"
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I'll take it and I think we could snatch game 2 as well.



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123. "PAGE-AU! PAGE-AU! PAGE-AU!"
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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124. "this dude is going bananas"
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millbury and other dolts are like WOW THIS GUY IS GOOD HOW DID HE LAST IN THE DRAFT? he's played three years and been largely unremarkable. dude is balling right now though wow.

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125. "Fucking Caps, man, I can't believe I picked these guys"
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I was pushing Edmonton hard but then the Ducks seemed like a tough matchup for them. This series I was confident about the whole way until it was about to start. Then I remembered the Caps are the Caps. And they keep reminding me. At least Ottawa is making me look learned.

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131. "you know it's bad"
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when Holtby is choking.

  

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133. "He was mad at himself. If Williams blows the next game, you know ..."
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that it's time to just give up on life.

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134. "Jesus"
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>Fleury has stopped 67 of 71 shots,
>while Holtby has stopped only 29 of 35

  

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126. "Might as well sweep these fools and get some rest"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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127. "pretty astonishing the way the pens have changed their identity"
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they used to be about hanging onto the puck, now they are a counterattacking team. to play opposite styles with equal aplomb is pretty crazy. not sure if sullivan is a genius or just has very good players. edmonton plays a similar style, they invite your D into the play and then punish you going the other way. pens are really good at it, they sort of ropeadoped the first period. caps have played 40 great minutes and gotten nothing to show for it. fleury two GAA again but he played better than his stats show. he is on.

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129. "Great players, Fluery and good coaching. "
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Not sure anyone should be shocked tho... Caps don't match up well with us in the playoffs and when Fluery is on it's a wrap.

It's not over but if we win on Monday it's over in 5.

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139. "Uh oh..."
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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128. "So for sure Ovie loses the C now, right?"
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I guess Backstrom would be the logical choice. I would give it to Willie if he re-signs but they will probably let him walk.

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130. "This is fine."
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http://oi66.tinypic.com/m81pgw.jpg

  

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135. "It's who they are. It's baked in now. "
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136. "Defensive Mistakes and Failure To Convert Chances"
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©2008-present

  

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132. "#RockTheMisery"
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____________________________________________________


Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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137. "Good games yesterday. All the WC teams look good. "
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Edmonton's second period yesterday was crazy, then the Ducks just held on and eventually put it out of reach......



Pray for me tonight.

  

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138. "Ducks were playing with fire"
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Very luck to get that fourth goal and holy hell did Gibson have to stand on his head to get them out of the period. They settled down in the third but wow were they hanging by a thread in the second.

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140. "Sid out for Game 4, at least"
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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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141. "If it doesn't happen for the Caps now it never happens "
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142. "uh oh"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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143. "i really dislike that"
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they f*cked my man up

  

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144. "No Letang, no Sid. If the Caps fuck this up, they should be contracted"
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They barely escaped with their lives yesterday. Bad news for them is that Malkin always tears shit up sans Sid. No shortage of scoring for Pens even now.

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145. "Imagine the retribution if Brady took an elbow to the head"
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(minus the logistics of elbowing a football helmet)

  

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147. "Ken Campbell wrote about that, sort of a truth minus fact column"
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He was right about the broader culture of hockey and how the league fails to protects its stars and players in general. But I don't know that it applies here. Not really an intentional or dirty play. If he wanted to hurt him, he could have really lit him up there. Ovechkin's initial play is a bit much but nothing unusual, Niskanen is looking at the puck and raises his stick to what would have been Sid's shoulder but he's dropping down.

Did you read what Rob Rossi wrote? Jesus. I can't believe they published that.

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148. "Prior to this week I had never heard of Rossi"
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I hope to never hear of him again.

  

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154. "The column was bad but the video response was worse"
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Between his fanboy shit and his talking down to a coveted head coach, he set the profession back 300 years.

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146. "Preds bandwagon accepting applications"
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Seems the rest of the league is also catching on to the fact that Bridgestone is the best atmosphere with the rowdiest fans. It's lit fam

  

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149. "Crosby or no Crosby, Pittsburgh still pwn Washington. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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150. "the Caps will never get it done with this group"
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It isn't meant to be. There's another level these other teams go to in the playoffs that the Caps never ascend to. They insist that they aren't haunted by failures of years past but they clearly are. Their tension is palpable when they go down early in a game, or when they blow a lead, or when they even fail to score on a power play.

This is who they are.

Since 2007 they've made the playoffs all but one year. Through all of those trips, they've failed to move past the second round. This is who they are, a fun to watch finesse team who racks up points in the regular season but who is intimated by the postseason.

It's over for this group. Probably been over.

  

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151. "What's funny is that this year they've had come backs"
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came back tonight to tie it 2-2, came back last game to win in OT. Did it against the Leafs a couple times.

But they can't hold leads, or they can't get a lead to begin with.

The scoring has just not been good enough, and given that Ovi, Backstrom and Oshie are 3 of the top 4 scorers on the team in the playoffs, it's everyone else who is fucking up, from Kuzy to Bura to the 4th line.

  

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155. "I don't know, we all remember the last time they panicked"
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It took a long time to recover from the idea that they should work hard to give up 50 fewer goals while scoring 100 fewer.

They have to make some changes now--likely losing Shattenkirk and Oshie, possibly Williams--but I don't think a super drastic change is the answer. Maybe consider making Backstrom the captain. Tweak some things with the open spots in the lineup, get a skating D to replace Shattenkirk and some two-way guys to replace the outgoing forwards, guys who can defend and make less money.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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156. "Theyre actually in good shape going forward"
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They'll never have as much talent as they do now, but the next core is almost already in place.

But this is all too depressing to talk about. I just don't have much in the tank right now.

It seems so pointless.

  

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195. "You are correct"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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152. "I mean, I'm honestly impressed"
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that own-goal by Orlov is truly a creative and unexpected way to choke. And it was bad. He intentionally kicked that shit directly into his own goal.

Taking 5 (!!!) offensive-zone penalties is a close second. That is some grade-A chokery.

If anyone sees Kuzy and Bura get consecutive shots on the fucking net, please come wake me up.

I stopped paying attention tonight after the own goal. You can see these Caps losses coming from a mile away.

  

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153. "LMAO"
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glad i work from home for the rest of the week, so i don't have to pretend to care as much as my co-workers. i got dat DC native casual fanhood and long ago accepted this losing since mike gartner used to try hard and fail every year, while they all transient on some "FUCK YEAH...OUR TEAM"

we just sorry.

____________________________________________________


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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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157. "I'm on the fence, I want Sid the Kid to show out in game 5"
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but I think the Caps may try to kill him.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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159. "He shouldn't step on the ice for at least this series"
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No way he is healthy, he has too big of a concussion history.

Game 3 and 4 (despite a loss in 3) showed they don't need him to win this series.

Pens lose tonight but wrap it up at home in 6, then see how he is for the ECF.

  

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160. "exactly, wtf? hold him out until the ECF"
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maybe if it goes to game 7 you give it some thought but with a 3-1 lead it is fucking stupid to play him now.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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162. "Nope. Nothing is guaranteed in hockey. If he is ready he is playing"
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This is what the coach said and I agree.

close this shit out tonite

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164. "yeah, and in hockey guys' careers end prematurely all the time"
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because of concussions.

this is a guy with a long history. not only is his long-term health more important than one game, it's more important than one series or one season. not being cautious here is a big mistake. if this were his first one or even his first one in a while, OK. but this is a guy who has missed a couple hundred games in his career, almost all because of concussions. he just had one to start the season. you don't play game with that, especially when he is the guy who saved the franchise. the macho shit in hockey has its appeal and yeah playing when you're hurt is part of the game. but it has gone too far far too many times and concussions are a gray area to say the least.

playing him today is a mistake under any circumstances. this just happened. he needs more time to be evaluated given his history.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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167. "he might as well retire if that's the case"
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and since that isn't happening you play when you are ready.

Hopefully we close out at home but the longer the series goes the worse are chances are because the Caps are out shooting us something serious.

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168. "there's only premature return or retirement? no middle ground? foh"
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he played and they lost anyway. so there's that.

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163. "That's a terrible idea"
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I seen way too many 3-1 series go 7 games.

Let's keep it real. Flurry has made some insane saves and can easily come back to earth. I don't want this going 6 games.

If Crosby is ready, play him.

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171. "This is why I didn't want to come back to Pittsburgh "
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These fools NEVER clinch series vs good teams at home. They always shit on the fans and fuck up the bar money....

Pens have 4 or 5 cups and never won any of them in front of the home crowd.

Might fuck around and lose this series. 8 straight goals by the Caps these last 2 games.

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182. "i mean something had to give"
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this bum ass defense they are playing and a near total lack of a possession game was not a winning formula. i feel like if the caps were going to choke it was in game 5. today they had no real pressure on, not in game 7 it's pretty neutral in those terms but physically they are in better shape.

malkin is cooking at least.

sid coming back was a bad idea. he is not up to his own standards and he probably re-concussed himself today. talked to a veteran defenseman, guy who was a team captain and two-time cup winner who also had a couple bad concussions. he told me all the signs were there postgame. he hoped to be wrong but experience told him sid got his bell rung again. were two losses where he played at half speed worth it? bad decision, unbelievably bad decision, and one with no payoff.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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189. "Losing Daley is a bigger concern"
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I was hoping for a win in game 5 but we lost it halfway thru the 3rd. The longer it went the higher the chances are of Fluery coming back to earth.

Hopefully we dig deep for game 7.


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165. "I think they stick the knife in tonight and end it. What do the Caps hav..."
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They are going to throw their lines in a blender and stick with this dumb 7D setup. They are at home. They are facing elimination. They know that this isn't just their season but their era on the line.

The Pens have ZERO pressure on them here. The Caps have all of it on them and we know very well how they have handled high stakes.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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158. "Nice comeback by the Ducks."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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161. "that was like two great games with a dud inbetween"
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first 25 minutes or so were awesome, final 30-ish minutes, too. the part in between was crap.

once fowler scored i knew it was going to OT. what a rally. that is the kind of win that springs you onto bigger things.

that said this series has had NO carry over from game to game. i expect the oilers to force a seventh game

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166. "Goals from three lines = W"
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:: thinking emoji ::

  

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169. "The Ducks got massacred tonight."
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Congratulations to Nashville getting into the 3rd Round.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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174. "Ducks just have to park that one and move on"
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They have struggled against speed teams for years but overall they have managed the puck well and kept Edmonton's speed in check. Last night they didn't and they also had shitty goaltending. The game was over halfway through the first period.

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170. "That was basically how every game from 2-6 should have gone"
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You can't get out shot by 100 every game and turn the puck over 20 times in your own zone and keep winning 2-1

  

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176. "Caps playoff history says otherwise."
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172. "Woooooooow (c) Mos Def. 5-0 doesnt do this ass whipping justice"
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I am mad at myself for falling into the ZOMG WTF CAPS!?! narrative

In a seven-game series, the better team comes out on top eventually.

The thing I see with Pittsburgh is every one of their D is over extended and that eventually was going to cost them. Tonight they really got it handed to them. Also no one can tell me Sid was ready. He is looking very pedestrian out there.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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173. "game 7 will either feel like "
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the night RG3 was drafted or the night RG3 tore his ACL

extreme hope or deep despair awaits Caps fans Wednesday

  

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175. "Here for this."
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177. "the caps had them boxed in most of the night."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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178. "Pens with eight shots through 40 minutes lol"
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No Daley. How much must Mark Streit suck right now that they aren't using him? He put up some points right after the trade. Can still play the PP but overmatched against these big Caps forwards, I guess.

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179. "moving semi-injured Ovi to the third line has been great"
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Ovi-Eller-Wilson is a heavy-ass line.

And Bura has fit right in on the top line and his dominant fancystats are finally translating to goals.

  

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184. "I like Burakovsky, still has some work to do but has a lot of ability"
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I was a big fan of his in junior. He has gotten stronger but still has a ways to go. I still think he can be a pretty consistent 55-60 point guy

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188. "Him dumping Hainsey, stealing the puck and scoring unassisted "
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was straight beast.

  

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190. "that shit hurt my soul. "
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just clear that shit, what was dude thinking?

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185. "hopefully Justin Williams helps put the nail in the coffin"
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November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

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202. "lmao... I guess the better team won?"
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180. "That was some bullshit. Fucking Pens never clinch at home. "
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Even when we win Stanley Cups we always shit the bed in Pittsburgh. It's like the Caps had 8 players in the ice. Faster, stronger, hungrier... smh.

Malkin can eat a dick too. That bastard always looking to make some sensational pass or skate through 3 defenders. Shoot te fucking puck on the power play instead of holding it looking to thread a needle.

Did these fools really think Fluery could stop a million shots and win a series?

A goal 16 seconds into the 3rd period? So good yet so frustrating.

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186. "ugh, i hate that you like pittsburgh sports."
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i mean, i completely understand why, but ugh.

at least we have the Rams...

  

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191. "I BLEED BLACK AND YELLOW!!! "
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181. "RIP the nhl's "concussion protocol""
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And lol @ Sullivan sayin after the game that Crosby didn't get evaluated but Crosby saying he did.

Someone's lying.

I have no love for Crosby but seeing the way it's been handled is disgusting.

  

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183. "to be fair sullivan's answer was some what unclear"
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he was asked two questions in one, was he concerned and was sid tested. if i heard correctly he simply said "no." was he answering just the first question? just the second? both? it's ambiguous.

hard to say why sid would lie but like i said above i talked to a guy, former player who sustained some serious ones and studied the topic, who said he'd wager sid was concussed again.

i mean there is still some hateful little capsule inside me that says fuck it let him rot, but come on, this is one of the best players to ever play the game. i don't want to see him suffer because of irresponsible competitiveness.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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187. "wow @ this quote"
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"Ice’ has been found to be a predictor of concussions — ‘boards’ has not been."

-the NHL explaining why it's ok to hit your head on the boards but not the ice

  

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192. "See you guys on the other side."
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193. "I'm anxious but can't even imagine Caps fans side of this"
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194. "Caps are you serious rn"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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196. "Smh "
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197. "Different year, same ol' ****. Washington falls to Pittsburgh. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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198. "Started playing like the better team too late. "
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Going down 3-1 gave them no room for error or no room for the Pens to steal a game.

Not enough adjustments from Trotz. No depth scoring. Braden Holtby didn't steal a single game. That's the series.

  

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199. "I like some of you here, but the Capitlols will always be fun to beat"
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201. "Ha ha.. Lord Stanley ain't leaving the 412 this year"
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As soon as Concrete predicted the Caps in 7 I knew we had a good chance of winning.

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203. "Losers gonna lose"
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Sad thing is I don't even know what the huge difference was. Caps had great chances in first two periods especially. If there were one or two glaring fuckups it was Ovechkin missing the shot that just barely nicked Fleury's stick in an otherwise wide open net and then the 2nd Pens backhand goal by Holtby. Truthfully Holtby was sort of dogshit the whole playoffs but he's far from the only issue. I don't know what they do from here but fatigue of this team is surely setting in here in the Beltway region.

  

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204. "I thought Holtby played well tonight. "
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Pens looked like a different team tonight.

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205. "the fuck ups were Kuzy missing the open net tip in"
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and Winnik dicking the breakaway.

Plus all the times the Caps had great set ups but the final pass was 6 inches off or the shooter missed the connection. MoJo, Williams and Backstrom's passes were off all night.

Ovi had a good shot on that one, but when the goalie's stick handle stops the puck, that's mostly bad luck.

Ovi wasn't good enough this series. But I'm also pretty sure he's injured as shit.

The biggest scape goats for me right now are Holtby (who at no point looked like a Vezina winner), Trotz (who is now 0-3 in the second round and was outcoached by Sullivan in nearly every game), and the bottom 6, who provided exactly jack shit.

Kuzy and Bura missed way too many good chances through the playoffs too, but at least they scored occasionally.

  

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207. "not many second chances and didnt bury first chances"
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holtby had some bad games but he also had some good ones, probably enough good ones for them to win. seems obvious but you're not going to win with zero goals and they scored two in their other losses. how are you staring down ron hainsey, ian cole and all the other schlubs like 'well, we dunno what do to?'

The stars were not consistent and the supporting guys provided essentially nothing. In the losses they made just enough mistakes to wipe out what they did well and anything the Penguins did right was almost gravy.

I liked Backstrom's analysis of when they lost the series. Does it matter? Is there a distinction? They fucked up early and still managed to get to a decent position, only to fuck up again.

It was frustrating to watch. At least the Ducks got their shit together. Nice win.

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209. "Fleury's first 5-10 minutes is what stole the game"
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I know saying a goalie stole a game is cliche, but it reminded me of game 2 in that the Capitals deserved a goal or 2 in those first few minutes.

If they went up 1-0 or 2-0 early on the game would probably be over, they would play a whole different game, the Pens would have felt beat, the crowd would have been one of the wildest crowds in history probably.

But when the Pens weren't doing anything and looked lifeless, Fleury kept the game 0-0 and let them gain their composure have a more even 2nd half of the 1st period and then keep getting better from there.

There is no knowing how it would have ended if the Caps scored early, but Fleury made sure they didn't and you started to see those can we do it looks on their faces.

  

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210. "This was basically the story of the series"
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>But when the Pens weren't doing anything and looked lifeless, Fleury kept
>the game 0-0 and let them gain their composure

Frequently he carried the team until they could get the offense going.

Holtby generally didn't do the same, and/or the Caps offense never got going. Which to CC's point, when Ron Hainsey is a team's #1 D, is inexcusable.

  

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217. "While Fluery played amazing"
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I thought the Pens played well in the first. I missed the first 4 or 5 minutes but I could tell the Pens were playing the typical game 7 on the road hockey.

6-0 in elimination games away from home. That's insane.

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218. "Caps were destroying them for the first 10 minutes."
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An all-out assault.

Didn't last, and didn't matter.

  

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219. "I'm glad I missed most of that. "
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212. "Melrose says it's time for Ovie to head on out..."
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for the team and for himself.

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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214. "I can hardly think of someone who's opinion on Ovi matters less"
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235. "let's not overlook that he did play hurt and had some big plays"
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people are really dogging him. i hope this fervor intensifies and they really do trade him. on the right team he would be such a weapon.

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206. "ECF: Pittsburgh vs. Ottawa. WCF: Anaheim vs. Nashville."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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208. "Big response from Anaheim. "
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They could easily have been deflated by the early fuckup but they hung with it and the last 35 or so minutes of the game they owned it. They gave Edmonton nothing. Very few second chances, one dangerous deflection and some medium-grade stuff. Just a controlled, steady, energetic game. They got pucks deep, they made Edmonton defend and they controlled the line change/match up game. Most of the time when Edmonton was looking to come up ice, they were also looking to get a change. McDavid tried to turn it on a few times but they didn't give him any space in the O-zone. I think he needs to get stronger and work more on a down low game, then he will be just completely unstoppable. The Oilers weren't able to generate any speed, their breakouts were weak and, ultimately, they started turning it over. Nice fore check, good pressure within good structure. I was very impressed, even though it wasn't sexy or lopsided, that was one of their best games all year.

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215. "I was impressed"
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after the 1st it looked like the Oil might blow 'em out

  

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226. "first was pretty even i thought but i still had concerns"
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second periods have not been good for them for years and they havent responded well to early goals in game 7s either. they flipped the switch and they had to stick with it, even with a big effort nothing came easy.

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211. "Fun facts"
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"Washington has now played 10 decisive seventh games since 2008, and the next time it scores more than two goals in any of them will be the first time. The Caps have netted a paltry total of 13 goals in those 10 games, somehow managing to win three of them."

  

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213. "smh"
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216. "to hell with them then. I can't believe that"
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220. "so is it more than just "my narrative" at this point?"
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that team chokes becaus their best player has been useless in the crunch his whole career

last night was a perfect garnish on the whole deal lol

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221. "When you pin team performance on one player"
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And do it without analysis, metrics or stats, it's pretty much the definition of narrative.

Ovechkin leads the team in Game 7 goals since he's been in the league.

I know blaming him makes sense to you and Jeremy Roenick, but thankfully there's smarter analysis out there.

  

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222. "Anyone considered the Canadian factor yet?"
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I remember there was a study of cup winning teams as a function of the amount of Canadian players a team has in combination with their relative significance (are they in the top 4 d? Are they in the top 6 forwards?)

Might be oversimplifying...but there's no doubt that the Stanley cup means something different to Canadians and every year there's a Tom Wilson type that suddenly goes beast because he grew up dreaming about the playoffs.

Past few cup winners

Pittsburgh 2009:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/PIT/2009.html

Chicago roster 2010:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/CHI/2010.html

Boston 2011:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/BOS/2011.html

LA Kings 2012
http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/LAK/2012.html

That's alot of Canadian flags on those rosters.

Just look at Anaheim's cup winning team in 2007:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/ANA/2007.html


The ONLY team that wasn't heavily Canadian is the Red wings of 2008. And even then...they had more than the Caps did this year or years before.

Caps 2017:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/WSH/2017.html

The Canadian players they do have are mostly at the bottom of their roster. I don't have the effort to confirm this....but skimming through cup winner rosters...They'd probably be the 'least' Canadian team to EVER win the cup if they won this year. That's a pretty big statement.

  

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227. "Yooze guys gotta admit, these good Canadian boys deserve atta boyz!"
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Not sure I am buying this little Coach's Corner segment.


>Pittsburgh 2009:
>http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/PIT/2009.html

Conn Smythe winner was a Russian.

>Chicago roster 2010:
>http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/CHI/2010.html

Finnish goalie, American offensive star that scored the Cup-winner and balls-out defensemen from Sweden.

>Boston 2011:
>http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/BOS/2011.html

American goalie that had a season and postseason for the ages and a Slovak captain who played beside a German guy to form an incredible shutdown pair that did a lot for them. Krejci, a Czech, was great for them also.

>LA Kings 2012
>http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/LAK/2012.html

American captain, American MVP/goaltender and their best player hailed from the hockey powerhouse that is Slovenia. Scuds and Greener were Americans, if anything what stands out to me is how many U.S. players played a prominent role with the Kings. The Devils also had a lot of Americans though obviously they had very prominent Canadians and some Euros as well.



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230. "The numbers are undeniable."
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Pointing out the Conn Smyth winner for the pens that is otherwise more than 50% Canadian doesn't refute the argument.

Of course...I'm speaking of a combination of the aggregate amount of Canadian players and they're relative worth.

Again....The 2017 Capitals would have been the LEAST Canadian to ever win the cup. By a measurement that combines total players and the weight of their roles. EVER.

Again. Here's the past Stanley cup winners:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/stanley.html

Right click on each to see the nationality make-up of each team. Find ONE who is less Canadian that the 2017 Capitals. The closest you can come is Detroit. And they were an anomaly. Year after year....the teams with Canadian players win. It was no secret that this was basically Brian Burke's entire strategy with the Ducks. The post 2000 Kings did the same thing and got two cups out of it.

Make a list of the Canadian players on those teams you took acception to. Then make a list of Canadians on the Capitals 2017 team. Voila.

  

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233. "Dude, the LEAGUE is still more than 50% Canadian. Not a high standard"
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>Pointing out the Conn Smyth winner for the pens that is
>otherwise more than 50% Canadian doesn't refute the argument.

I don't have the current number but the last I saw the league was about 55% Canadian, or slightly more. It isn't really a bombshell to see that most rosters, including the good teams, have a lot of Canadians. If this were like baseball or basketball, sure, I'd be blown away.

>Of course...I'm speaking of a combination of the aggregate
>amount of Canadian players and they're relative worth.

I mean they are all over the place, you know, there are just a ton of Canadian players. They could field at least three very competitive Olympic and World Junior teams every year.

>Again....The 2017 Capitals would have been the LEAST Canadian
>to ever win the cup. By a measurement that combines total
>players and the weight of their roles. EVER.

Sure, but I mean the Wings in multiple incarnations were not particularly Canadian, lots of Swedes and Russians. All the teams you named had a number of Americans and Europeans, and in prominent roles. This just feels like an argument from 25 years ago to me.

>Again. Here's the past Stanley cup winners:
>
>http://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/stanley.html
>
>Right click on each to see the nationality make-up of each
>team. Find ONE who is less Canadian that the 2017 Capitals.
>The closest you can come is Detroit. And they were an
>anomaly. Year after year....the teams with Canadian players
>win. It was no secret that this was basically Brian Burke's
>entire strategy with the Ducks. The post 2000 Kings did the
>same thing and got two cups out of it.
>
>Make a list of the Canadian players on those teams you took
>acception to. Then make a list of Canadians on the Capitals
>2017 team. Voila.


Yeah I am not buying this affront to diversity. I get that it's hard to put a finger on why the Caps are a disappointment, but I am not seeing a lack of passion for the Cup being one of them. It's also not like they are heavily skewed in one direction, they had significant Swedes, Russians and Americans. Is this a Canada against the world thing? Not sure I am buying it, and definitely not with the example provided.

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236. "Which makes the Washington Capitals a statistical anomaly."
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The least Canadian team to have ever won the Stanley cup except they didn't because teams with no Canadians don't win the Stanley Cup.

Look at the rosters of the first team in each city to win the stanley cup. The first modern-era win. Anaheim, Chicago, Pittsburgh, LA, Carolina, Tampa Bay. All stacked themselves with Canadians purposely. First win for each city is noticeably Canadian roster.

  

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246. "RE: Which makes the Washington Capitals a statistical anomaly."
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It's one outlier, meanwhile Detroit was disproportionately Russian and/or Swedish for years and you're Cuban B'ing that.


>Look at the rosters of the first team in each city to win the
>stanley cup. The first modern-era win. Anaheim, Chicago,
>Pittsburgh, LA, Carolina, Tampa Bay. All stacked themselves
>with Canadians purposely. First win for each city is
>noticeably Canadian roster.


LA was "disproportionately" Canadian? Quick, Brown, Scuds, Greener, Kopi, Lewis, Martinez and Voynov ... that's 8 out of 20 regulars who were not Canadian. So they had the same proportion of Canadians as the league does, about 60%.

Tampa? Khabibulin and Fedotenko were on plenty of Conn Smythe ballots, they also had an American coach without sifting through the roster (where I know I'll find more non-Canadians). The only team I see mentioned there was that was "stacked" with Canadians is Carolina, I guess, and it's not like they were some grand dynasty.

Like I said, this is just not a discussion I would expect to be having in 2017.

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249. "The proof is in the links I provided."
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Again...make a list of the Canadian players on the 2017 Caps.

Then make a list of the Canadian players on the Red Wing champs, The Lightening champs and the Kings champs.

No team has EVER won the cup with as small and irrelevant Canadian contingent of the 2017 Caps. This is an undeniable, quantitatively provable statement.

  

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259. "Now you're just running from this"
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Top three most responsible players for championships:

Boston 2011: Tim Thomas, American, Zdeno Chara, Slovak, Dennis Seidenberg, German.

L.A. Kings 2012: Jonathan Quick, American, Anze Kopitar, Slovenian, Dustin Brown, American.


Are you ever going to respond to this? I doubt it. I don't get the need for Canadians to feel superior in hockey, it's like the one thing on earth that you guys are the dominant force in. That said, you're not the only who do it or do it well. That's a good thing, too. Getting away from the argument (mostly) did you read Duhatschek's thing on the history of coaching? Pretty cool, and shows the confluence of Canadian and European styles in today's game for players all over the world.

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261. "I ain't running from shit."
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Boston. 2011. Canadian players accounted for 8 out of their top ten playoff point scorers. 20 Canadian players (of 31 total) on their roster. And look at the names. Bergeron, Marchand, Seguin, Boychuck, Lucic, HOrton, Ference, Ryder, Recchi, Savard, etc etc etc.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/BOS/2011.html

LOOK AT THE FLAGS.

LA. 2012. lol. Look at the Canadian players....Doughty, Penner, Gagne, Moreau, Mitchell, Bernier, Richards, Stoll, Williams, Richardson. 6 of their top ten playoff point scorers were Canadian (and 9 of their top 15).

Washington Capitals 2017 had ONE Canadian in their top ten scoring during their playoff run. That has literally NEVER happened before for a cup winning team. Oh...and I checked. They were the FIRST team in the history of the NHL to reach the second round of the playoffs with only one Canadian in their top ten point getters. They would have been an absolute statistical anomaly if they had a won the cup.

It's not an 'agenda'. You literally can't win the stanley cup without a bunch of good Canadian players on your team (at least it's never happened before). The Caps didn't have that. It's pretty simple.


  

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264. "RE: I ain't running from shit."
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>Boston. 2011. Canadian players accounted for 8 out of their
>top ten playoff point scorers. 20 Canadian players (of 31
>total) on their roster. And look at the names. Bergeron,
>Marchand, Seguin, Boychuck, Lucic, HOrton, Ference, Ryder,
>Recchi, Savard, etc etc etc.

Uh huh, and they won with historic goaltending, DEFENSE, and their penalty kill. They had a historically awful power play and weren't especially high scoring (Game 4 of the SCF being an exception).

Who won the Conn Smythe? Who was the runner up? An American and a Slovak, who also happened to be the Vezina winner and the Norris winner (and the team captain). You are trying real hard to skew this when you're cysing the offensive production of Andrew fucking Ference over the guys who really carried the weight.

>http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/BOS/2011.html
>
>LOOK AT THE FLAGS.

Is "LOOK AT THE FLAGS!" the new "PATCHES!" (c) Bags. And funny how it's LOOK AT THE FLAGS here but not with the Kings, whose 20 regular had the average proportion of Canadians and nothing more.

>LA. 2012. lol. Look at the Canadian players....Doughty,
>Penner, Gagne, Moreau, Mitchell, Bernier, Richards, Stoll,
>Williams, Richardson. 6 of their top ten playoff point scorers
>were Canadian (and 9 of their top 15).


Oh, wow, Gagne (who barely played at all) and Moreau (who, be honest, you forgot was on the team). Their backup goalie who played no minutes was Canadian, too? WOW, I bet that really helped them win. This is pathetic, you're just naming names now. Richardson? Lewis was a bigger contributor by far, and he is from Utah.

Doughty is the only guy who played a huge role as a Canadian and it still wasn't as big as Kopitar's, Brown's or Quick's, none of whom are Canadian. Mitchell, a BC boy, was great on the run, so was Matt Greene, an American. In 2014 Carter, a Canadian, played a bigger role, he was awesome, Voynov was as clutch as anyone and he is a goofy ass Russian.

>Washington Capitals 2017 had ONE Canadian in their top ten
>scoring during their playoff run. That has literally NEVER
>happened before for a cup winning team. Oh...and I checked.
>They were the FIRST team in the history of the NHL to reach
>the second round of the playoffs with only one Canadian in
>their top ten point getters. They would have been an absolute
>statistical anomaly if they had a won the cup.

How many teams have had so few Canadian players? You're looking an at outlier and using it as absolute proof. Not sure any statistician would even entertain this argument.

>It's not an 'agenda'. You literally can't win the stanley cup
>without a bunch of good Canadian players on your team (at
>least it's never happened before). The Caps didn't have that.
> It's pretty simple.

You can't ice an NHL roster without a bunch of Canadians and you can't win the Cup without good players. This is an argument ripped straight from the alt right playbook. Congratulations.

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223. ""stars" that ring up 40 pts in their last 60 playoff games"
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need to do a little better job of...oh i dunno...EVERYTHING else besides scoring

from someone who watched Sergei Fedorov ring up 20 point playoff seasons like nothing, while simultaneously shutting down the other team's best player, Ovechkin is fake as fuck. period. and if he wasnt, the post i replied to would have never been made.

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231. "He's an incredible player."
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I'm not sure if he just got unlucky in having a role in both goals....but it's hard to look past his willingness to make low percentage plays in his own end. I think it's ridiculous to call him a chooker. Some have been too quick to call him a two-way player just because he hits. Body-checks are sometimes the low percentage play. In that way (and some others)...he reminds me of Wendel Clarke (albeit much better). Consistently over-rated because he sets the ice afire occasionally....but will never have the game-impact of a Datsyuk or Yzerman. With those guys...it doesn't matter how many points they score.

  

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238. "comparing "game impact" of wingers to centers is difficult. "
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All comparisons can be valid, but there's a significant caveat as well.

>....but will never have the game-impact of a
>Datsyuk or Yzerman. With those guys...it doesn't matter how
>many points they score.

  

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241. "Nah, he got knocked on his ass before the first GL"
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234. "Ovie is an upper midde class man's Ilya Kovalchuk"
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BTW sounds like he is coming back.

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224. "What's his assist totals in playoff games? "
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225. "DAMN!"
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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228. "That's crazy, now watch them knee-jerk and do something dumb"
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Today I heard people positing an Ovie to Vegas scenario. Seems like lazy thinking. Vegas can only real give back futures and I don't think that is what the Caps will want.

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229. "I've read a lot of crazy shit in the last 48 hours"
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Peerless is my favorite and most level-headed Caps blogger by a wide margin and even he wrote a "end of an era" post today, and he NEVER writes that kind of stuff.

They bombed out yet again, but there isn't a particularly practical argument to made for blowing up the core.

  

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232. "last night some guy from the 4th period said trade backs or kuzy"
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trading backstrom would be particularly crazy.

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240. "lol @ trading a franchise center"
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Both Backs and Kuzy are franchise centers in fact. And a big reason the early Ovi teams struggled was because they only had one good center, compared to the Pens who have maybe the *two* best centers in the league.

Another 5 years of Kuzy as 1C and Backstrom as 2C is a reason I'm not really panicking other than, you know, the fact that this franchise is a black hole of misery.

  

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244. "I'd trade Ovi though or put him in the Vegas sweepstakes"
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especially if parting with Ovi opened up money to resign Oshie. Make Oshie the captain too.

  

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248. "Expose him to the expansion draft? Are you fucking crazy?"
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Pretty sure it's not even an option given the parameters of his contract but that is just insane. Obviously you could get good return for him in trade.

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250. "Maybe David Poile can fleece them again"
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Who is this year's Erat, Jarnkrok? Craig Smith?

  

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251. "If you're going to mention the Forsberg/Erat trade"
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I'm going to need a trigger warning on your posts, lol

  

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254. "That's an interesting thought, kind of a good trade partner"
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I don't think they will get a steal on him like that, plus this is a different GM in DC now. But slotting Ovie into the top 6 would do a lot to knock things into place for the Preds.

I think assessing any type of potential Ovie trade scenario is tough now because we don't know what direction the Caps will go in. If they want futures then a lot of possibilities are out there. That might be the case because they'd free up money to offer outgoing FAs. But more likely they will let Shattenkirk and Oshie walk, so they'd be looking for more immediate help.

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237. "leave it to the Cap's to break Mr. Game 7"
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Justin Williams deserves better than this.

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239. "He played like shit."
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I love the dude and pray he comes back, but he owns how bad he played in that game.

  

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242. "nope Cap's fault"
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Justin Williams is a SAINT!

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243. "DOROTHY MANTOOTH IS A SAINT"
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245. "i could count his noticeable shifts on my fingers"
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he did make a lot of intense faces on the bench though

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252. "intense faces and beautiful hair is plenty!"
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November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

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256. "second that hair tho"
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266. "Mane coifed, bubbly quaffed, stick in the house with a wimpy wrist shot"
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247. "Nashville takes Game 1"
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This series is going seven. Nashville carried the play early but didn't have much to show for it. The Watson goal is a total fluke. They get very lucky with the 5on3 and don't cash in. Anaheim missed some opportunities, Vermette with two open nets and he couldn't even get his stick on the puck. Neal gets the winner, just a minute earlier he should have been in the penalty box for an egregious play on Montour. All that and it still was a coin toss. Energy level evened out (early favored Preds by a lot), so did faceoffs (early on favored Ducks heavily). This is gonna be a very good series. Liked to see some guys laying the wood out there for sure, some big hits by both teams. Boll on Jarnkrok was my favorite.

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253. "Pens have looked like shit at home these last few games "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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255. "That one coulda gone either way"
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Anderson made two saves that really dropped my jaw and was sharp. If he gets back to his first-round form, then the Pens are in trouble. Sens seem to have their lines pretty well set now. We know their back end is good.

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257. "Pens lost game 1 vs TB last year at home too"
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I point that out because I think while all the talk is about how The Penguins series is basically like a finals series for the Capitals, the Pens get just as emotionally invested.

It's hard to be on all the time and I think it's easy to be let down after a hard fought series vs your rival, especially since people seem to talk like whoever wins that will win it all each year and act like the next round is a foregone conclusion that the Pens will win (at least around here).

Game 2 will tell a lot.

  

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260. "yeah i mean they lost by a goal in overtime, no reason to panic"
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258. "They'll pull through."
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Ottawa played an amazing game 1 but they can't perform like that consistently. Cracks will form and talent will overcome.

  

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262. "I'm not worried but it's frustrating as a Pens fan "
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to see them lose at home and play great on the road in the playoffs.

it would be nice to see the Pens give their fans a show every once in a while.



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263. "I couldn't have less sympathy."
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>it would be nice to see the Pens give their fans a show every
>once in a while.
>
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265. "fuck a show this is the playoffs, you gotta get out alive"
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they are in a dogfight now.

maybe the load teams in 91 and 92 could think about things like putting on a show or elevating their game or making sure they nailed every team they had at three losses so that mario and ulf samuelsson could rest for the next round. in today's NHL, no team is that much better than the opposition.

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267. "Is there anything similar to the Fleury career arc?"
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Top draft pick, basically always a top 10 player at his position even in down years.

A huge part of a championship win in 09, yet constantly underappreciated by fans of the team.

Had a few playoff years that weren't great but was always consistently good during those seasons but not good enough for the fans despite still being one of the best in the league.

Non stop trade demands, winds up on the bench watching the team win another cup behind the new young goalie. All year expecting to get traded but doesn't then winds up back in because of an injury and basically having the best playoffs of his career.

Even without a cup it's a remarkable story, but if the Pens win the cup this year that's like a sports movie.


But my question is there someone in any other sport you can think of that the story is comparable to? Clear superstar, one of the best but just never fully appreciated by fans. Not even unappreciated, but downright disliked and disrespected by hometown fans for years.

Closest thing I can think of is Mcnabb in Philly minus actually winning a title.

  

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268. "MAF's Sv% in 2009 was a garbage .908"
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Malkin & Co carried him to that title.

Part of the reason he doesn't garner more respect is how inconsistent he's been, and when he's been bad, it's pretty bad. And on the flip side, he's never been a top 3 goalie at any point in his career.

He's playing balls out right now. He seems like a great teammate and good guy. He's been on multiple championship rosters. He's in the Hall of Good Not Great.

  

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269. "I will never forget games 6 and 7 of that detroit series"
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After a 5-0 destruction in game 5 and going down 3-2 it was all but over

Then he blocked 49/51 shots the next 2 games and we won the cup.

I don't care what his percentage was

  

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270. "that basically encompasses him."
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Capable of being bad. Capable of winning a game by himself against the best teams.

  

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271. "He reminds me of Big Ben"
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When Ben is on he is unstoppable but there are games where you know it's going to be a 3 INT game.

He wins ugly but he wins a lot.

only difference is the sexual assault accusations made us think Ben may be done.. not his play on the field.


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272. "Ben is beloved by home fans (outside of the character thing)"
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Not really comparable to a title winning star that people have been trying to trade for 4 years

  

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279. "I feel like most of the heat on MAF is national, not local but maybe not"
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When he played against Winnipeg right before the deadline and it might have been his last home game, he got a huge ovation.

He is pretty funny, other than maybe Luongo and Rinne I can't think of goalies nearly as up and down as he has been. Sometimes he looks like a HOF'er, sometimes he looks like an FOH'er. Personally I am a fan, I think some team, likely Vegas, will do well with him. I liked him from the start and was pissed that the Pens rushed him up in darker days of their franchise.

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273. "Lmao "
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274. "*Shrug* bad periods happen"
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The first 2 goals were some bad luck and basically it was over from there. Just like when he has a few big saves early you can see the game shift from there, you get a few bad bounces early and everyone packs it up and gets ready for Friday.

  

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275. "I know, but it's a prime example of Fluery. "
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45 seconds in and you know he doesn't have it.

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276. "Does Fluery get another chance or do we stick with Murray? "
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it was an all around bad game but still.. gotta wonder what we will do.

If the Senators beat us up on Friday this shit might be a wrap.

These fools bullying us.

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281. "Not even a question Fleury starts"
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Sullivan said he hasn't even thought about it when asked who the goalie would be which is his cute way of saying it's Fleury.

You dance with the one who brought you, even if they danced really bad for a song.

  

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282. "LOL and minutes later Murray named the starter"
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Risky move

  

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283. "Yeah I knew Murray would go though it seems unfair."
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Talked to four guys covering the series after Game 3 and they all said the same thing. It seems like Fleury earned the confidence but they all had the distinct feeling that they would make the change. That's something that a coach usually has a good feel for, especially Sullivan. I think Sullivan has earned a lot of trust this year even more so than in the Cup-winning year. It has not been an easy season to manage with all these injuries. Sucks for Flower but again I would trust the internal decision making process here.

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285. "Fluery stepped up but he was the backup for a reason"
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that being said...

If the Pens don't get their shit together it won't matter who the goalie is.



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286. "Pens have scored 2 or less in 6 straight games"
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Yet here we are in the ECF and only down 2-1.

But sure a goalie change is the key move here.

I just don't like it, if we lose tonight you can't go back to Fleury at this point and we basically need perfect goaltending to win the way we are playing so you may as well let the guy who has been close to perfect most games play.

If we score 4 or 5 goals it doesn't matter. So basically this move is just Sullivan going with his guy

  

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291. "You're overlooking something."
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What has been the biggest problem for the Pens in the first 3 games? Their defence moving the puck up the ice. This is mostly because of their sub-par defence. But having one of the worst goalies in the league at puck-handling (Fleury) is not helping matters. You'd be surprised how important it is for the goalie to be able to tee the puck up for defencemen so they can take it in stride instead of having to slow down and gather it. And Ottawa's forechecking them into the ground.

Having a goalie that can simply stop a puck from cycling behind the net and set up an already depleted defence core to move the puck out with pace before the fore-check can set in is HUGE. And that's one of Fleury's biggest weaknesses.

The biggest factor in replacing Fleury is to counter the forecheck. And the forecheck was what's killing them.

The sens were lying when they said 'they don't care' who plays goalie against them. They will have to back off on the forechecking with Murray in goal or else they'll be over-committing. It really changes alot more than just puck-stopping which is probably a wash either way. Compared to Fleury...Murray's like a 3rd defenceman on dump-ins. And the 'dump-in' constituted the entirety of Ottawa's offensive strategy in the first three games against Fleury (their defensive strategy is much more complex). It won't work nearly as effectively against Murray. And that leads to break-outs and open ice.

Fleury and Murray both know why the switch was made. If Murray can't stop pucks they can go back to Fleury without bruised egos. He knows he was pulled because of his puck handling and nothing more. So Ottawa will now have to trap without getting offence from the forecheck. Pens likely will need only two or more goals per game to win here on out.

  

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293. "yeah that was part of it for sure"
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it wasn't a change just to make a change. part of it was gut feel but part of it was also helping their D. that will be even bigger now as they just lost another defenseman. i think they will go with murray the rest of the way. he's just barely been healthy enough to play and he is their no. 1. tough break for fleury but in this sort of tandem it's all very fickle. obviously if murray or his health falters, fleury is there, but i think we saw an abrupt changing of the guard here.

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284. "haha"
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277. "Biggest game in Preds history*"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfyDZXWUsAENx6o?format=jpg&name=large

We need to slam the door and go up 3-1. Bridgestone is gonna be LOUD, even more so than normal. As the only team with quantitative and material home ice advantage we need to keep the streak rolling tonight.

Going up to nashville tomorrow for the weekend. Ready to party for game 6 on the road!

*can be said for every game here on out.

  

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278. "With apologies to Chuck...."
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I'm sold on Nashville and I hope they win it all. Good to see that rink rolling. Johanssen probably got away with a penalty on the tying goal but that tends to happen in the last minute. Tough non-call if you're a Ducks fan though.

  

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280. "I picked the Preds to win this series but it's a coin flip, really"
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I didn't mind the no-calls on Johansen and Arvidsson, yes they were penalties but at that stage it's a free-for-all.

Nashville only has one line that can score and now defensive scoring is not the big edge that it was against St Louis. Goaltending has been surprisingly even in this series so far. Anaheim definitely has better forward depth. Nashville should shake up its bottom nine but what's to shake? None of these can score worth a shit outside of Neal. The only two guys that might be able to pick it up are both limited. Wilson is not 100% and Fisher got hurt tonight. Their bottom six is really filled with nobodies, Jarnkrok has gotten chances and doesn't bury anything, the rest of the guys can't even say that much. Anaheim has four lines that can contribute, the Preds have one and a bunch of decent checkers. If Nashville had a good #2 center, this series would be over in five games. They don't, so it's going seven.

Nashville reminds me a little of the Kings in 2012 and Flyers in 2010. After they got up 0-2 on Chicago I was sold on them, too, but they really need someone else to pick it up. BTW:

Forsberg, Arvidsson, Aberg, Ekholm, Jarnkrok all Swedes. Rinne and Saros, Finns. Josi and Fiala, Swiss. Wilson and Watson, American. That makes 11/20 guys that they dressed non-Canadian, and only Fiala got injured, so now it's 10/20. Their head coach is American and so is their top assistant. HOW WILL THEY WIN THE CUP!?!

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287. "I thought you were a ducks fan?"
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In anycase....I'm gonna win this agenda come hell or high water lol.

Caps relevant Canadians: Wilson, Williams, winnick, Alzner, Beagle, Connelly,

Preds relevant Canadians: Suban, Johanssen, Neal, Zolnierczyk, Fisher, Fiddler, Ellis, Irwin.

I think that speaks for itself.

Nashville has 20 Canadians on their roster. Washington has 11.

Washington was an NHL anomaly in their absence of relevant (and gross total) Canadian players. They would have been the first team to ever win the Stanley cup without a Canadian roster presence. Like a mostly euro team winning the NBA championship. Not saying it will NEVER happen....but it hasn't happened yet.

A little secret for everyone. When picking your hockey pool find a 7th or 8th seed that has a heavy Canadian roster and go with them. And don't go with any players on a team that doesn't have a relevant Canadian contingent EVER. 100 years of history don't lie.

  

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292. "No. Flyers. Ducks are gonna win the series now for sure BTW"
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>In anycase....I'm gonna win this agenda come hell or high
>water lol.
>
>Caps relevant Canadians: Wilson, Williams, winnick, Alzner,
>Beagle, Connelly,
>
>Preds relevant Canadians: Suban, Johanssen, Neal,
>Zolnierczyk, Fisher, Fiddler, Ellis, Irwin.
>
>I think that speaks for itself.

Soooo ... Holtby is not relevant but Vern Fiddler is? LMAO.

Subban, Johansen, Neal, Ellis and *maybe* Fisher I will give you.

Holtby, Williams and I guess Wilson. Not that big of a gap.

>Nashville has 20 Canadians on their roster. Washington has
>11.

20? On their roster? Name them. Not statistically possible. I went through the guys that dressed regularly and found 10 non-Canadians, 11 if you count Fiala would definitely be playing if he were not injured. And I actually forgot one, Yanick Weber is Swiss, so the real number 11 non-Canadians, 12 with Fiala, that are in their lineup. Are you talking about like in their whole organization? Who cares? That would actually be a low number. Guys they dress and who play big roles are at least half non-Canadian (Arvidsson, Josi, Fiala, Forsberg, Rinne, Saros, Ekholm , Aberg, Jarnkrok, Smith, Watson, Weber).


Anyway, moving on, the Preds are fucked now. Johansen out for the playoffs. Fisher either hurt or more likely injured, which wouldn't matter as much if Johansen were not out. Now they have to put Fiddler back in and move someone else to center (Wilson or Smith). That's not very strong up the middle.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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298. "Hmm"
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301. "hard to foresee the injuries evening up at the last second"
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literally dead even, fiala for nsh, eaves for ana, johansen and fisher for nsh, rakell and gibson for ana.

nashville played a ballsy game last night. so many guys brought it. forsberg, ekholm, mcleod, gaudreau, aberg, ellis, rinne ... that's just the short list. great team effort.

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288. "Gutsy Sullivan with a Gutsy Gutsy call to gut out a gutsy win"
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That's every headline and talking head right now.

Meanwhile ignoring that the Penguins scored the most goals they have in 7 games and Murray played well (especially that last minute) but was by no means better than anything we've seen of Fleury.

But that's less fun to talk about than Sullivan's gutsy call that caused this win to happen.

  

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289. "It was the right move. "
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294. "for sure i think loyalty is the only reason against it"
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and loyalty don't win games. plus the loyalty argument isn't very strong when any way you cut it, fleury is gone after this season.

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290. "Johansen out for season."
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Well that's a kick in the nuts. What a shame. Apparently that type of surgery is needed immediately to save a leg. Damn. The NHL needs romance and the Preds overcoming this would be romantic. Go Preds Go.

  

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295. "brutal break for them, a shame really. it was a pretty nothing play, too"
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he played more than half the game after it happened. same kind of check you will receive a dozen times in a game.

that's tough. fisher also took a knee in the head and didn't return. preds didn't practice today or give an update on him. my guess is he doesn't play in game 5 or if he does he will be limited. hurts them mostly on the PK and frankly i have no idea who will eat all these minutes at center for them. calle jarnkrok finna whoo-ride!

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296. "Forsberg slots to C1"
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Optimistic - Lavy earns his keep tonight and rolls some really bizarre lines out but the tram rallies

Pessimistic- We are straight done. Fish hasn't produced points but has been great on d and with our top 2 C'd gone we stand no chance against Getz, Kessler and vermette

  

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302. "dunno why everyone thought that, lotta experts said the same"
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wilson, watson, sissons, jarnkrok, all guys with experience in the middle. smith and parenteau, too. i was a little surprised they went with gaudreau as a call-up but he played well.

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297. "Impressive win by NSH"
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Rinne is still balling.

  

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299. "Sullivan's gutsy goalie change proving to be right yet again"
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4 goals in one period including total zone domination in a way that only Murray lets the Penguins do.

When Fleury is in goal the Pens can't put the puck in the net and he has to try too hard to keep them in the game. Murray's willing more goals out of them makes everyone's job easier.

  

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300. "I smell sarcasm. "
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Not sure what other changes Sullivan has made but they sure seem energized. It's a shame Fluery got a terrible effort in his last start but I wonder if it's psychological. The team seems to have an extra pep in their step with the goalie change. Maybe it would have happened with Fluery but fuck if I care.

It's not like Murray lost his job due to playing like shit.

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303. "yeah it's not a slight to either guy b/w sens are unglued now"
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i was worried about anderson coming into the series and he has validated that concern. they are also handling the puck like a greased-up slinky, it was really bad in the last game and not much better here. i only watched the first period. canada and sweden in the gold medal game of the worlds is way better action. in OT now.

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304. "A win is a win, I just don't like how this ended for Fleury"
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Sure he only got in because Murray got hurt, but then he earned the chance to keep trying. 1 Bad period and it's just over. Then they swap out and the team starts playing their best hockey in weeks.

Maybe it's related, but likely it's just the champs realizing they were fucking around and going to be in trouble and lucky timing to make Murray look like the guy pushing the Pens to the next level.

  

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305. "It's not over. Murray could get replaced. "
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306. "he could but it's his job to lose"
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308. "As it should be. "
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307. "Looks like Rakell (and Eaves) out, Gibson likely in for Ducks"
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309. "RE: Looks like Rakell (and Eaves) out, Gibson likely in for Ducks"
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I have to take an L on the Subban trade. I was behind the times.

As much as we might still be doubting the Preds cause of injuries....the fact is they've constructed their team on the basis of abandoning size and strength on defence for mobility and puck movement. Seems to be the new trend and they're on the vanguard of that. Trading Weber for Subban was the crystallization of their strategy and it's working. Their injuries might not be as relevant as we thought. Their D is intact and that's really why they are winning in the first place.

  

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310. "I think there may have been too much emphasis on injuries"
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this whole playoff all everyone kept saying is the Pans can't win without Letang.

This may be true in other sports but I think Hockey is the one sport where injuries aren't that big of a deal. Especially if your goalie is on fire.

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311. "Agreed."
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This is a friggin hockey game though. I'm loving Nashville....but someone should tell them you're supposed to throw your cowboy hats for a hat trick.

Preds v Pens would be a great matchup

  

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We know how to celebrate a hat trick, cmon. Once it was clear the hats rained

  

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316. "I don't know...."
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They had to announce over the PA that the conference trophy was NOT the Stanley Cup and that they still had another series to play.




j/k

Congrats. This is awesome for hockey and for Nashville. That was the best game of the playoffs. The catfish, the dead ducks, that fan with the red face crying, Johansen in the picture. All around awesomeness. that rink is gonna be ON FIRE for game 3.

  

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320. "it depends in the end injuries did swing this series in large part"
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i also think the pens have had to work a lot harder for what they have done because all these injuries on D. as far as the WCF, if gibson is 100%, who knows what happens? bernier played scared, oddly more so tonight than in game 5 where i guess he didn't have time to think about it.

tonight he played tentative AF, the first goal his stick is real reluctant and wimpy so it gets by him to bank in. the third goal was the worst. he could have covered the puck with his glove if he were alert the first time and ANY goalie could have froze it the second. he just stared, didn't even more his glove down. of course it ended up in his net. the numbers really do tell the story, .750 save percentage!

of course it varies, too. a team like nashville is doing this on balls and having a good system. a team like pittsburgh has a surplus of talent. think of those 90s pens teams. i talked to phil bourque about that actually. he said guys going down was like, eh, ok, let's all pick it up. mario broke his hand in 92 and jagr shat all over the rangers. he said in both years once they had a team with three losses, they always went for the kill. none of this "oh, the fourth win is the hardest to get" crap. they didn't let anyone off the mat. a big reason why they put such an emphasis on that was to get extra games for mario, among others like ulf samuelsson, time to heal between rounds. those were amazing teams. sometimes i wish we could see teams like those again, just not possible now with the cap.

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321. "Bruh.. I was born and raised in Pittsburgh. "
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I grew up in Pittsburgh and the Pens practiced at the rink in my town I never really cared about them but we used to ride our bikes by the rink and peak in to see them skate.

We didn't really give a shit tho. Even when they won in 1991 it wasn't that big of a deal to Black folk but in 1992 I think that's when we tuned in to see about this Jagre, Lemieux tandem folks were yapping about.

My peoples who used to say "fuck that white sport" started saying "these white boys are bad!"

So all my people got together for the first game of the playoffs in 1992 to actually watch a game. Pens were down 3-0 early and came back and Lemieux had the game winner off a rebound with like 10 seconds left.

Man listen.

what's even crazier is Lemieux lives in the town I grew up in. It's normal to see him around town with Crosby and other hockey players.



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346. "Great guy, very reserved but he does a lot behind the scenes"
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As for the 90s Pens, Jagr's stories are legendary. TomJohn29 is a Yinzer and dude also had a funny story about him that fits with his various tales of his Dodge Viper having a revolving door for puck pounders who want to give him dome. So dude was a young cat (I think he is a tall black dude, never met him) and he was at a gas station and see Jags. Jags goes, "Hey, dude, you know how to drive a stick?" He says yes and Jags tells him to take his Lambo and circle the block for 20 minutes, didn't wanna park it, and to pick him up on the corner ... $50 in it for him. He drives it around the block stunting, waving at strangers and shit. Twenty minutes later he sees Jagr and some leggy bitch sitting on the curb with that "just-fucked" look on their faces. Jags gets him and tosses him the 50.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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312. "Congratulations to the Nashville Predators for winning the Western"
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Conference. Once again, they have Anaheim's number.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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313. "It's worth it to watch Carlyle and his stupid face in the presser."
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Blames his backup goalie. Blames the schedule. Blames 'execution'. Biggest asshole in the league. No wonder his players hate him. Only guy in the league that uses post game pressers to absolve himself of responsibility.

  

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318. "He cried a lot in the postgame, which is funny because ..."
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he is kind of a hard ass. i will admit he is much friendlier to both the players and in general this time around, but he still is no peach. toronto was a fall to earth for him, taught him a lot about contemporary players and the league today.

i do agree with him that the scheduling was bullshit, but hey, maybe don't fuck around and go to 7 with edmonton if you want time off.

there is no denying that bernier sucked (first goal is weak, third goal is hella weak) or that they had some critical calls go against them (big missed call neal in OT Game 1 right before the winner, the swing in Game 5 where they should have had a four-minute power play and instead ended up shorthanded and giving up a goal). but you know what? if you're counting on a call or a bounce or a backup goalie when you're trailing, you already put yourself in a position of weakness.

he knows that, obviously. i asked him why they were getting tossed around late in games in games 3/4/5 in particular and he said maybe we should create more separation earlier in the game. he's right. the ducks turned it at will sometimes (three-goal rallies against edmonton and calgary, two other two-goal ones) but they sure as hell turned it off, too. we saw what they were capable of tonight, where was that in game 5?

btw my favorite carlyle moment as a player was an old clip where he missed the open net from point-blank range against chicago. he had played with the idea of going to med school after his career. don cherry goes "look at this, would you want those hands operating on YOU?"

i fell the fuck out.

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314. "RE: Congratulations to the Nashville Predators for winning the Western"
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I love this team. I love that the team, who a decade ago I attended a rally to keep them in town for is now getting the love they always deserved. I love that our fans are loud, proud, and NEVER give up, and a bunch of rednecks who have realized that hockey is basically football on steriods.

I was in Nashville the past weekend and a buddy of mine who grew up in Mobile, AL and couldn't tell you offsides from icing last year was calling out Aberg and Ekholm by number alone.

Damn the torpedos and let the next round bring what it may, I'm on cloud forsberg already.

  

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319. "check you inbox, bud, and congratulations."
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317. "so glad the Ducks are done"
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Caryle's son runs the travel program at my son's rink. He would have made my life hell if they would have won the cup.

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

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322. "I have such a neutral feeling about this Game 7"
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On one hand I mean the Penguins have much more experience, home ice and they have a lot of firepower. They also put it on Ottawa in many respects in the last two games, particularly in the first two periods of both games. On the other, Ottawa has won so many tight games. Overtimes, one-goal games in regulation, 1-0 games and 5-4 games. They have that kind of "WTF, these guys!?!" thing that teams like Anaheim had in 2003 or Calgary in 2004 or Edmonton in 2006. Teams that just were doing it, period, with no real explanation. That's hard to underestimate. If I had to go with my gut, I am thinking the Sens, but any rational analysis says Pittsburgh goes back to the finals

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323. "I think I want the Sens, but I'm not even sure due to same logic "
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5 OTs would be nice though

  

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324. "I think the Senators take this game"
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The Penguins have been so inconsistent this post season, they seem tired and have just been fighting so many uphill battles.

Ottawa is going to play like this is the most important game of their lives because for many of them it is.

  

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326. "man.. I wouldn't be surprised either way"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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327. "They had a lot of energy in the last game but who knows?"
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Weird to see them and the Ducks carry the play in their Game 6s and still lose. Good goaltending was part of it in both cases, sure. You wonder if in this game they can generate as much. If so, you have to figure more pucks will go in.

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325. "Either Craig Anderson steals another one"
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or he doesn't.

(or Erik Karlsson goes HAM)

  

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328. "Ottawa couldn't sell out game 6 of a conference finals."
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Most boring city in the country. I went there for a weekend once and the streets are empty by 11pm. Plus....Pens v Preds is infinitely more intriguing. Go pens.

  

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329. "i don't have a good feeling right now. "
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Sens did a great job of shutting the crowd up after that goal.

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330. "Yah."
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This doesn't bode well for the Pens after 2. This is a Sens game so far and they're playing a perfect road game. Pens need a powerplay. It's tied...but Ottawa takes the ebb and flow of this game and are gonna trap and wait for a mistake.

  

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331. "Kessel is having a helluva period."
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Creating multiple chances....drew the penalty...assist on the goal.

There was one play that didn't amount to much and won't end up on the hilite pack....but dude skated with pace along the boards...put the puck behind his back and emerged from 3 opposing players alone with the puck. Stick-handling clinic.

  

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334. "that was a bullshit penalty"
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a bit of a lazy play by phaneuf but the contact was so ticky tack that i can't really fault him. should have been a 4on4, two for interference, two for embellishment.

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332. "Every minute that passes increases Ottawa's chances."
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Pens have too many missed chances. The hockey gods usually give this one to the visiting team.

  

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333. "This is some bullshit. Way too many blown chances in OT. "
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The way this is going we could lose on a short handed goal.

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335. "YES. "
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the Finals just improved in quality of entertainment tenfold.

The league needs to revisit trap-prevention rule changes.

  

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341. "The Preds also trap, including the 1-3-1"
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They play the left wing lock and the 1-3-1 often with a lead. I don't think trapping is ipso facto boring, like one year the Devils lead the league in goals and people were still like ZOMG BORING TRAP!

The Sens and their predecessors (Boucher's Lightning) *were* pretty boring but I don't think the system in and of itself precludes excitement. That's what you're looking at with a rule change. I don't foresee any illegal defense type stuff. One thing that might be kind of neat, I think Mike Bossy was talking about it, is putting in a "key" in front of the net. Basically a means of reducing shot blocking and I guess that would be somewhat like the current illegal defense rules in the NBA (defensive three seconds in the key). I think it's a good idea to try in developmental experiments, not sure how it would play out in the NHL

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343. "I would like to see less shot blocking"
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it makes for less interesting hockey.

But I'd only make new rules if you could do them well.

  

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345. "They're not boring though."
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It would have been REALLY bad for the game if the Sens made the final.

  

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357. "right but you were talking about a rule change against the system, no?"
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if you're limiting trapping for one team, you're doing it for all teams.

also let's face it, ottawa doesn't have the talent level of these other teams and tampa didn't really have it either. it may produce a less entertaining product but i give credit to boucher for coming up with a system and getting his guys to execute it. very smart coach.

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336. "Whew!!! That was a nail biter. Hats off to those pesky Senators"
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339. "Karlsson is the best player in the league right now."
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IQ off the charts.

  

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349. "IMO he has also taken the mantle from Datsyuk as the classiest player"
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He had several opportunities to give little extra shots to Sid and even a couple to outright light him up. He played them honest, even holding him up at times and he just played the puck when most guys would have tried to take his head off. Absolutely gentlemanly player. I also think it's a shame to see that that respect is not mutual. That's something that the league needs to address. You look even a generation or a generation and a half ago, those kind of class players like Sakic and Lidstrom earned the respect of their peers. Today a player like that, for example Karlsson, you see guys taking liberties with him. The Rangers I thought were openly trying to knock him out of the series, for example. That's disgusting. It's a shame that Chris Neil has nothing left. He played about three minutes in the series. Even two years ago (let alone in his prime), he would not have let that shit slide.

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337. "what a game and hats off to chris fucking kunitz"
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34 games without a goal but you never underestimate the heart of a guy like him. If the Pens can finish this off, he will be the active leader in Cups won, I think, as that would make four. Beyond that he was such a complete player in his prime and he is a very smart guy. Great future for him in the game in some other capacity but tonight he was like I AIN'T DEAD YET!

I feel for the Sens though. They worked VERY HARD, not to undermine the efforts of any other team but they outworked everyone. I bet their injury list is as long as Giannis's arm.

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338. "The Stanley Cup Finals: Pittsburgh vs. Nashville."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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340. "Ducks news today, shit ton of injuries"
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Lindholm, torn labrum, out 4-5 months, played with it since first round

Vatanen, torn labrum, out 6-8 months potentially, played with it since the first round

Thompson, stress fracture in his ankle, played the entire playoffs with it

Bieksa, torn MCL, identifying the mysterious knee injury

Gibson, high ankle sprain

Rakell, high ankle sprain

Eaves, very painful bone bruise. I had something similar and it hurt like a bitch to play basketball, his is actually bone-on-bone (two contiguous bones bruised) and for skating it would be awful.

Lots of other little ones but that was the main list.

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342. "even by NHL standards that's a serious list"
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torn labrums? damn

  

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347. "It definitely throws a wrench in their plans"
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They were in a very good position to trade a DMan, likely Vatanen, and pick up another good forward. With both those guys unable to start the season that makes it very tough. They will need the bodies and plus a guy with a serious injury (Vatanen's is more serious than Lindholm's), obviously his trade value takes a hit.

I also expect them to duck the expansion draft. Most GMs are trying to do that now, McPhee has a unique leverage. We shall see who the Ducks offer up. I don't think they want to leave any of Fowler/Vatanen/Lindholm/Montour/Theodore unprotected and you can only protect three D.

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351. "Question about the expansion draft....."
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Is this draft WAYYYY more favorable to Las Vegas than past expansion drafts? It feels like they could be a solid contender in their first season. A choice of either 8 skaters per team or 7 forwards and 3 Defencemen? That seems crazy to me.

  

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352. "My suspicions confirmed."
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When the Atlanta Thrashers joined the league teams had the option of protecting 5 defencemen and 9 forwards. lol. This year it's 3 D and 7 Forwards. I guess they want the Knights to be good right off the bat. And they will be. Just one example....The Preds can say goodbye to one of their 4 top D. More than half the league would jump at the chance to replace their whole team with what The Knights will be able to do.

It'll be interesting when they publicize the lists. I imagine the Knights could be a 3/4 seed in their first season.

  

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353. "RE: Preds blueline - not necessarily "
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Two options for teams. 7 F, 3 d and 1 g

Or

8 skaters and one goalie

And even then, Las Vegas can only draft one player per team.

Suspicion is Poole will protect the first two lines on d and leave us exposed at forward, probably protecting, if I had to guess today, the JOFA line and one that is just a guess. Neal? Fiala? Craig Smith?

Jarnkrok or Sissons are popular speculation for who we'll lose, if not one of the three unprotected above.

  

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358. "Preds will likely go 8/1 but I think teams want to avoid that, and they ..."
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I think every team is hollering at McPhee right now to try to predetermine who from their team is a Golden Knight next year.

If the Preds had to go with a strict choice between 8/1 and 7/3/1, obviously they would go 8/1, protecting their top 4, the JOFA line, Rinne and possibly Neal or whomever they consider their best up-and-coming forward.

But like a lot of teams, they may not have to expose anyone because there are two ways around it. One is to send an asset such as a draft pick to Vegas in order to arrange the protection of a specific, additional player--say they go 7-3-1 and then send an asset to Vegas to proect the unprotected defenseman. This is something we have seen in past expansion drafts, for example that is how the Predators acquired Kimmo Timonen in 1998 (The Kings traded him in exchange for an agreement not to take Garry Galley. Whoops).

The other thing that, to my knowledge, is unique to this particular expansion draft is the period of exclusive free agency that the Vegas franchise will get. It's a two-day period in advance of both the July 1 FA opening and the expansion draft wherein they can negotiate with unrestricted free agents who played in the NHL last year. So let's say the Golden Knights were to sign Yannick Weber during that period, then the Preds would have fulfilled their one-player-lost obligation and now they don't have to worry about that fourth defenseman or Saros or anyone else. Rinne is their only exempt player from the process, because of his NMC, but I think they still have to expose at least one goalie. I surmise that from Pittsburgh's situation. Fleury is exempt but if they protect him they likely have to expose Murray as they don't have any other goalies with NHL experience. Likely the same deal for nashville but to be honest that is a little fuzzy



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355. "yup."
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Sucks for fans of not-Las-Vegas, but I can see the league's logic.

I think we're about to see a pretty wild trading period as teams try to move players to get something in a trade rather than lose someone they know they will have to expose.



>When the Atlanta Thrashers joined the league teams had the
>option of protecting 5 defencemen and 9 forwards. lol. This
>year it's 3 D and 7 Forwards. I guess they want the Knights
>to be good right off the bat. And they will be. Just one
>example....The Preds can say goodbye to one of their 4 top D.
>More than half the league would jump at the chance to replace
>their whole team with what The Knights will be able to do.
>
>It'll be interesting when they publicize the lists. I imagine
>the Knights could be a 3/4 seed in their first season.

  

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359. "they want the market to succeed badly"
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this was kind of an iffy decision on the part of the league so they want to give it every opportunity to succeed, plus they have seen how other markets suffered with less than stellar starts.

that said you can still protect up to 11 guys plus an average of two exemptions per team (Chicago has EIGHT) and there are ways around dangling a guy you don't want to lose out there. a savvy GM shouldn't be hit too hard by this.

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344. "Contrast Carlyle's presser with Boucher's."
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What a display of class. You can see why his team fought so hard for him.

  

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348. "Boucher is awesome, man, no idea how he had to toil in Switzerland"
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No disrespect to their league, it's good by European standards, but this guy is an elite coach in the NHL. I still think there is kind of an affinity for goobers in coaching, but in reality the more intellectual guys are the best coaches now. Even Sutter is much smarter than appearances would suggest, if he didn't play in the W he would have been playing in the Ivy League.

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350. "He probably deserves the most credit for this run."
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They found a keeper.

  

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360. "He's up there, Karlsson and Ryan have been great"
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Karlsson is maybe the best player on the planet and he did it all this playoff with multiple injuries. Ryan has never played like this, using his size, getting nasty with opposing players and rediscovering his scoring touch at the same time. Turris did his thing but he wasn't great. Brassard had a hot start but then he evened out before getting hurt and looking way less effective. Pageau is a nice little player, he was fuckin awesome in that Rangers series. I could see him turning into a Marchand lite. He is a fiesty little shit who can score and win faceoffs.

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354. "I cant believe that series"
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The Pens outplayed Ottawa in almost every period except for a few, outshot them by huge amounts and just looked like a better team for almost 60 minutes a game.

Yet it took 2 OTs in game 7 to move on.

Hockey is crazy

  

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356. "Yup."
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Good series. And it was the uniqueness of playoff hockey.

Total possession and shot domination, yet took 2OT in Game 7 to decide.

  

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361. "RE: managed to score a ticket for game 3"
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My wallet is $692 lighter, but at least I got one at face value that I'm sure isn't potentially fraudulent

  

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362. "Not many sports tickets worth that....."
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But that Nashville arena for game 3 would definitely be one of the exceptions imo. Shit....if game 3 was in Toronto I'd guess they'd go for around around $1000 per. Have fun. Hopefully they get a split in Pittsburgh.

  

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363. "that's not bad"
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the only times i paid for a ticket were in philly 2010 and they were all good seats, $500/$550 if you in on the presale for registered users. i got one for game 6 that was around the price of yours i forget if it was 650 or 700. it was right by the red line, third row. i think season ticket holders got better deals, the same seats were in the high 300s, i think. that was seven years ago though. some of the chicago fans near us said they paid $1500 for their seats. in short, you can't beat paying face for the finals and fuck year enjoy the game

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364. "Lavy getting one by the censors"
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Game one is up for grabs it's up to us to fuckin take it

LETS MAKE IT 4/4 IN GAME ONES ON THE ROAD BOYS

  

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365. "LOL The Pens went 5 for 11 tonight"
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That has to be some kind of record.

  

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366. "Fewest shots by a winning team in a finals game"
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But I'm way more amazed by the nearly 50% shooting.

  

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367. "Disappointed but feeling good"
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If game 2 plays the same way, we are coming home tied.

Pekka needs to tighten up tho. One off the glove, one savable glove side. He's why we are here, but we need him to be why we win too

  

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369. "No way that game happens again in game 2"
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Pens slow down a lot in playoff games offensively, they always have, but they won't play that poorly again.

I saw somewhere that Rinne's stats vs the Pens are his worst against any team in the NHL tonight sure won't help that. Hopefully they just have his number.

  

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372. "that's not happening. "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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368. "that's ridiculous. "
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370. "Preds played brilliantly and deserved to win."
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Had some bad luck.

  

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371. "Sometimes only goaltending matters"
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After a decade of Fleury I can back that up for sure.

A goalie can win you the cup and lose you the cup which I know is not some new discovery I made.

Preds outplayed the Pens for just about the entire game, but if you're gonna let 40% of the shots go by you aren't going to give your team a shot.

  

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373. "Pens looked like they went into prevent mode"
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and it almost cost them game 1

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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374. "IMO even Rinne played well enough to win"
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The first goal could go either way but it's a bullshit 5-on-3 for a full two minutes. It should have ended on what was a non-call and they had killed 1:42 of it. He could have had it but you give up a goal in that situation not because he doesn't make a spectacular save but because Neal takes a dumbass penalty and the referee misses a fairly obvious one on Sid (which also helped create the goal).

The second goal is bad defense but not bad goaltending. 1000/1000 times, that puck is going in.

The third goal is not even a shot, it's kind of a half-assed centering attempt that he kicks out and banks in off his defenseman's leg.

Only the fourth goal, though it was a good shot, was one that he misplayed. Bad angle, ducks his head. He just wasn't prepared after doing nothing for so long. That cannot happen. That was a suspect goal but why did one straw break the camel's back? Here's the secret" the million other straws underneath it (c) Mos Def.

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375. "Don't get why some "experts" are talking like Nashville won the game"
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or that it's an indication of things to come

They carried the play and dominated most of the game but the only thing guaranteed to carry over is a 1-0 deficit in the series. Nothing says they play the same way for as long or longer in the next game, nothing at all.

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376. "Like the Pens haven't made a habit of that"
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Getting out-shot and out-possessed but simply finishing more chances and putting up goals.

If shots and possession were an indication of anything in the playoffs, the Caps would have won a 2nd round in the last 20 years.

  

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377. "like we haven't seen this before with the Pens"
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I think tonight is a hard fought 2-1 type game for the Pens and then we get blown out in game 3 before wrapping it up in 5 games.

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378. "Complete shitting of the bed in the third"
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No composure once Guentzel put the first one in quick.

  

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379. "I've admittedly seen very little of Nashville this year"
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But they seem like they just can't handle any bad momentum through these 2 games.

Maybe it's finals jitters, maybe it's how they normally play, but both of these games, as soon as things started rolling against them they just seem to crumble, at least for a stretch of a crucial few minutes.

  

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384. "they had a lot of ups and downs all year, plus in the conference finals"
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i have no idea what to think here, the pens have carried about 25 minutes of this series. basically they have relied on a five-minute stretch and a three-minute stretch to get this lead.

but the margin for error is getting narrower and narrower for nashville, and they are making the kind of mistakes that hurt you. penalties, turnovers and suspect goals are a good recipe to lose, no matter how much pressure you put on.

my gut said the home team wins the first four but honestly i am a little nervous. rinne is not playing with any sort of flow, not much aggression in his game right now. he has gone into funks before and now would be the worst time for that.

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380. "I don't know how the Pens do it"
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They're honestly employing a strategy from soccer. Forecheck/high press, soak up ALL pressure, hit them on the break with high quality chances.

  

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381. "Works when Murray is stopping everything "
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Dude was peppered the first to periods and played phenomenal

  

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382. "I just saw this stat"
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The Penguins are 4-1 in the playoffs when getting outshot by double digits.

  

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383. "on the broadcast they said 6-1"
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we have seen other teams have some success with this, including nashville and edmonton at times, but usually doing it for any length of time is a losing proposition.

rinne has got to be better in game 3, period. honestly if they had an experienced backup, i would start him in game 3. they have had two own goals but just as many soft goals and some others that were questionable. .778 speaks for itself.

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385. "everyone keeps saying Pens are being outplayed"
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I don't see it. Maybe it's because Murray is stopping everything but it's not like he is making incredible save after incredible save.

Seems like Nashville is throwing the puck at the goal a lot but they aren't quality shots.

Pens are doing what they have done all playoffs. That rope a dope. Let you use all your energy and then kill you with speed and short burst of energy.

Predators are also committing a lot of penalties.

I haven't watched every minute tho due to recent events but from what I have seen it's been typical Pens hockey.

Oh, and Guentzel is turning into a gotdamn scoring machine. Seems like everything he throws at the net goes in.

oh. and Ollie Maata is fucking GARBAGE!!! I hate that dude. Always turning the puck over in our end.

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386. "fewer and fewer people are saying that as the games go by"
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Guentzel is a machine. He might break Ciccarelli's record for playoff goals by a rookie.

I'd probably give him the Conn Smythe.

Maata is trash. And yet the Pens win with him on the 2nd pair.

  

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387. "In the first game they were definitely outplayed, yesterday less so"
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At best they are picking their spots and getting goaltending. The first game, largely, was an embarrassment. The second game they traded punches at times and took over the third period. Did they limit Nashville's quality chances/second chances? Ehhhh, no more so than Nashville limited theirs. Goaltending was the difference. Murray had two weather two flurries where they had multiple shots, including second chances and ones where he had to make a stop on each side of the net. He played a great game. But obviously goaltending is part of the deal, I mean the Preds won Game 6 of the WCF and arguably some earlier games the same way, by absorbing the play when they had to and cashing in when the other team fucked up. I don't think there is anything cheap about what the the Pens are doing but at the same time if you were scoring these games like a boxing match, yes, the Preds would be up.

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389. "People talk like efficiently converting chances is being lucky/playing b..."
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It's what the Pens do, more so in these playoffs but also over the last decade.

They have the best play maker in the game as well as good goal scorers, they set up chances and they convert them at a better rate than other teams and therefore they win more often than other teams.

Of course goaltending and some luck comes into play, but the Pens score goals at a high rate when given opportunities to score goals.

It's not that complicated

  

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390. "i could see if it was our first rodeo but we been doing this for a while"
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and part of the reason we play the way we do is because we have a good goalie.

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393. "they shot 45% in the first game. FORTY FIVE"
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that's what they do? FOH. they have changed their style significantly this year to be a counter-attacking team and they have had to insulate their D a lot more. not saying they haven't made changes while still doing some things consistently well, but what they did in these first two games is not sustainable.

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395. "No game 1 was historically crazy"
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But it's a statistical outlier along the same trend of how they've played a majority of the playoffs. It's obviously not sustainable at that rate, but it's how they play and they do it very well and continue to beat teams doing it.

  

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396. "20% Sh% is unsustainable as a strategy or plan"
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but that doesn't mean it can't happen, and when it does, you're likely to win a cup beating maybe the three best goalies (this season) in the NHL along the way.

  

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399. "Even Game 2 is a stretch"
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I am not trying to diminish anything they have done, much less stuff from earlier rounds

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388. "according to Yahoo, 69% of high danger scoring chances are NSH"
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That means Pit is winning on goaltending and puck luck.

Pretty shocking to see Rinne playing this way. Not that shocking to see Pit finishing their chances. They've been doing it all playoffs.

  

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391. "Fully respecting the Pens ability to convert"
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The stats do still tell an encouraging story for the Preds.

https://www.nhl.com/news/behind-the-numbers-stats-show-nashville-playing-well/c-289735066?tid=287345494

Y'all were down 0-2 in your first Crosby era SCF win, Lavy has won a series down 0-3, no need to panic.

  

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392. "Pens are shooting almost 20% in these playoffs"
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A team could never sustain that over an extended period of time, even doing it over the playoffs is hard. But if the Pens keep it up, it's a wrap.

It's how they've managed to beat teams when getting out shot, out possessed and even out shot on high danger chances.

  

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394. "They are opportunistic and poised, I give them that."
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Goaltending has been crazy though, weirder still that it has been two different guys. I guess they kinda sorta got that in '91 but not really. They have been living on the edge but then again they seem to put together all-around solid performances in some big spots like we saw a couple times in the Ottawa series.

We have seen teams live on the edge and come out on top, like the Kings in 2014, but this is a lot different, I think. They absorb so much of the play.

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397. "It's all come together for them (again)"
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TWO goalies playing great. A rookie on a soon-to-be historic goal scoring pace. A coach able to cobble together a decent defense from scraps.

(And of course having two of the best centers in the league never hurts. No other team can boast that.)

And it's why I'm kind of Zen about the Caps right now.

Caps put together a great bottom 6, but they came up empty in the playoffs.

Caps had one of the deepest d-corps in the league but they had breakdowns that didn't happen all season.

Caps have a top-3 goalie who had the worst playoffs of his career.

It's not a stretch to see these things play out a different way.

  

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398. "Last year it was easy to see coming, they played great at the end"
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The last 20-25 games of the year it was pretty obvious they were the best team in the league or at least in the East. This year is a different story, their defense is puzzlingly bad and they don't have the same speed and aggression to their game. Maybe the weirdest thing you pointed out was they have gotten better goaltending in all three series despite switching goalies and facing two of the best regular-season goalies and the best playoff goalie. Fleury was awesome early in games against Columbus, for that series to have gone five is deceptive, it was very tight. Holtby may not have played like it for seven games but obviously he was dominant during the year. Rinne was putting up Thomas/Quick type numbers from their Cup years until this series, and he hasn't exactly been inundated.

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400. "... and we have a series."
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Please, let the Penguins of '11, '12, etc return. Ye of little discipline.

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401. "We get blown out once a series, I'm not worried"
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When we lose we do it spectacularly

  

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402. "I love it"
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When you've got outplayed, had a goalie stand on his head twice, had all the puck luck, and got statistically dominated, it's "that's how the pens do it, why are you surprised"

When you get dominated it is "we get blown out once a series, it's still over"

Settle in for a long one, Pens fans. I enjoy the optimism both teams have now.

  

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403. "Because this literally looks like what we've done the whole time"
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Washington was beating us in every way and we went up 3-1 on them anyway. They blew us out in game 6 and we came back and won game 7 pretty easily.

Ottawa was up 2-1 on us and blew us out in game 3 and we won the next 2 and won the series.

It's how it goes and as defending champs I feel confident in not worrying about it.

  

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404. "your logic is we cheated death before, so let's jump off a bridge again"
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there is no passing this off as some brilliant strategy. not taking anything away from sullivan, he has gone from the fringe to being a top-five coach in a competitive league. but he is juggling to keep it together. yes, most of nashville's mistakes and bad bounces were ending up in their net. but that's about all that was. when all you have is those opportunities, your opportunities decrease in number.

in a lot of ways i thought the penguins played a better game today than they have in the rest of the series. but in others i thought they showed some weaknesses that might carry forward. composure has been an asset for them but we have seen them lose it before. on the flip side, nashville shookt off a lot of frustration getting this first win. pittsburgh still has nothing on the blue line. doumoulin, who name i may or may not know how to spell, has been the only guy i would say has played well consistently or looked physically able. eventually that has to cost them. their goalies have bailed them out a lot but as we just saw with rinne, you can't expect that to happen every single night.

obviously they still have advantages in this series but unless there is a significant change, i think the preds are on their way to a comeback.

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405. "LOL. When did he say it was a brilliant strategy?"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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412. "he didn't go that far but basically said there was no cause for concern"
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i would be very concerned.

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414. "I'm no more concerned than I was in any other round"
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I'm also not that worked up in general, back to back champs would be amazing, but champs last year and getting back this year and losing in 6 or 7 would still be pretty great.

I'm not that concerned about it and still think we'll win.

  

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417. "Still have a lead in the series and home ice, sure"
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but they definitely had their best chance to win the series last night.

IMO this is pretty important, if they can win this then they challenge the blackhawks for the best team of this era. both teams still have some time to add, too. it's not like that kind of opportunity comes around often.

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419. "Nah, tonight is their best chance bruh"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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426. "Going up 3-0>3-1. BTW it's 2-2"
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These guys are in trouble. You can't win a Stanley Cup with an ECHL defense.

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428. "We're gonna see so many "don't forget Letang is out tweets""
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We had to bust those out after game 6 vs Washington too.

It's an excuse but our D is so bad, Matta did it again with a turnover leading right to a goal.

  

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462. "still trying to figure out why maatta is still in the nhl"
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i got nothing

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423. "If they play like shit tonight I'll be worried"
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We've shown a great ability to bounce back from a bad loss. If we lose like that again we may not be able to stop the momentum.

If we lose a hard fought close game where it seems the home ice really helped, I'm ok with having home ice for 2 of the next 3 in a tied series.

If we win it's a wrap.

  

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407. "Were you at the game?"
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Must have been amazing.

  

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408. "RE: Were you at the game?"
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I was, and it was. Living in Birmingham I don't get to as many games as I'd like, but there was no way in hell I was not making this one.

When Gaudreau put the second one in so quickly after Josi's PPG the roof blew off the building, releasing all the frustration of the first two games in pgh

  

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406. "That was fucking awesome."
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I'm just so happy they had that game. I was getting worried that the hockey gods were gonna sabotage the event. I was working Sportscenter this afternoon and we had our guys at the street festival. It just looked so awesome. This is sooooo good for hockey in general. But another unlucky game (the pens are up solely because of luck) would have really zapped the energy. I LOVE this team and it's fanbase.

For Pittsburgh...this might be the shakiest 2-1 series lead ever. Anything is possible....including 3 straight blowouts by the Preds. That really wouldn't be surprising truth be told. Fact is....the Pens are getting dominated more in this series than any previous series. Washington's advantage in play was marginal compared to these three games. And I agree with what Charlie said...the first half of the game was the best Pittsburgh played all series (sustained). And Nashville STILL had the edge. Was thinking of calling their style 'Total Hockey' after the Dutch soccer tradition. Wonder if Charlie would agree...but it seems like their success might be mostly attributable to the way players are free to momentarily shift positions with each other. Their forwards become defencemen and the defencemen become forwards. All teams do this to some extent....it looks like they've implemented a system that is largely based on it. I might be overstating the case....but there's something unique in their break-out plays that I can't really put my finger on.

  

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410. "It was one game. Y'all need to chill"
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Now if they blow us out next game then you guys may be on to something but how many times have we seen the Pens get blown out then make adjustments?

Oh, and Subban said Crosby told him his breath stinks late in the 3rd period. Hilarious.

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409. "just watch the highlights. jesus"
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5 goals and Murray ALSO saved a couple half-breakways and odd man rushes?

That's... a lot.

  

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411. "Too bad you can't add up all the goals to see who wins the series"
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Last night was ugly but we all knew the Preds were going to be amped last night. Next game is the true test.

Preds had their backs against the wall and put on a show.

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413. "Also correcting an earlier post, NHL is no longer majority Canadian"
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It's pretty close to half still but I think the numbers I mentioned were outdated.

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415. "Off topic..."
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But this is pretty cool. Projections of the expansion draft and pick your own Vegas Knights:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/assemble-the-knights/draft-simulator

  

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416. "my squad"
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Perron - Stepan - Eaves
Abdelkader - Perreault - Ryan
Wilson - Cousins - Radulov
Ward - Boyle - Cracknell

Franson - Spurgeon
Schultz - van Riemsdyk
Kindl - Suster

Ward / Grubauer / Subban

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/assemble-the-knights/user-pick?UserName=MQAPCQVB

  

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418. "Sweet ass time waster. Here is my team"
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C
Stepan
Hanzal
Bonino
Boyle


Chaput, O'Reilly, Grimaldi as depth guys.

LW
Ryan
Vanek
Vrbata
Aberg

Prince and Andreoff for depth

RW
Radulov
Perreault
Hudler
Reaves

Versteeg, Devo and Dorsett for depth



D
Russell-Shattenkirk
Sustr-Vatanen
Oduya-McIlrath

G
1AKorpisalo
1BMason
AHL Dell
AHL Subban

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420. "No Grubauer or Fleury"
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421. "Korpisalo and Raanta are both better than Grubauer"
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even if they weren't i would have taken shattenkirk or oshie before him from the caps. i thought about raanta but stepan was too tempting. mason is a pretty good goalie and even if he didnt work out i think korpisalo/dell would be a nice, cheap tandem.

i didnt see fleury as an option. i do think he is going to vegas but in a trade. the pens can't expose him, so they will take care of it beforehand. mcphee wants him and will give picks, which he will soon have a big surplus of, to get him.

your team is pretty good but its defense is trash and cam ward is not very good these days. i wanted to take joel ward but rw was deep and dell was a great value.

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422. "as a Caps fan I'm required to think that Grubauer is a future all-star"
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430. "I didn't know first and second year players didn't need protection"
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That is a HUGE difference. It certainly made me temper the 'Knights could win a cup very soon' talk.

  

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438. "guys with NMCs, many guys on ELCs, etc."
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But they do have a lot of assets and a favorable setup here. I think they could be a playoff team right away and/or set themselves up very nicely for the near future. This was a risky money grab, er, foray into a new market by the league, so they want this to succeed. At the same time, they can't piss off 30 owners to make it happen. Pretty good compromise, I think.

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443. "stocking an entire farm system must be hard as hell"
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468. "50 contract max makes it even tougher"
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424. "Just gotta hold home ice"
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http://i.imgur.com/c4jt321.png

  

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425. "hahaha"
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in terms of a given stretch i thought they had the most jump they've had all series tonight during the second period but they didn't get anything out of it.

the goaltending is pretty even now and that's not good news for them.

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427. "Hey that looks familiar "
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https://i.imgur.com/oECId6i_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high

  

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429. "All those chances... smh"
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433. "© every team the Pens have faced so far"
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435. "Just a reminder that Rinne is good b/w still out-shot in all four games"
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431. "Goddammit"
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I'm living backward hours because I'm working on the French open. Damn kids powered down the tv reciever because of something to do with their video games which cancelled my recording of the game. Sounds like it was a good one too.

I'm thinking Preds in 6 which would be awesome cause the clincher would be in Nashville. That arena needs to see a Cup presentation. Rinne steals the game in Pittsburgh and then Nashville blow them out in game 6. yep yep

  

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436. "Sounds cool but I don't know if the Pens have no pushback, Preds in 7"
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432. "I wonder how long Sullivan sticks with Murray"
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i had a sneaky suspicion Fluery would get another chance in these playoffs.

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434. "Murray will start in Game 5. Rinne was better in Gm4 but Murry was OK"
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If he gets shelled in Game 5, Fleury for Game 6, short of that no more goalie changes. Goaltending isn't the problem for them, they have been the slower, weaker team in all but roughly 45 minutes out of the 240 so far. You need defense to win and they don't have it. A lot has been made of Sid, Malkin and Kessel, but how are those guys going to score if they struggle getting possession and getting the puck up the ice? They spend too much time in their own end and they have not had good breakouts.

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437. "congrats to Sid for scoring his first SCF goal since 2009"
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It took a post and a goalie skate, but still.

  

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439. "yeah he basically missed lol."
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just the same i thought that espn thing about crosby and malkin over the top. i don't think crosby deserved the conn smythe last year (letang, kessel and murray were as strong or stronger candidates) but he played well throughout the playoffs. i dont make much of his "struggles." in this series they can barely get the puck up the ice half the time, not sure what their forwards are supposed to do with that.

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442. "There's my real opinion on Crosby"
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and then there's my opinion based on what would be said about Ovi if he had 2 goals in three finals series.

  

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440. "LOL this is sad"
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441. "Bruh, we had like 3 or 4 breakaways and scored 1 goal last game"
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444. "SCF Game 5"
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So many great storylines

Preds accomplished what we set out to do and turned this into a best of 3 with all the momentum on our side

That said, Pens finally showed some life in game 4 and certainly will be coming out fired up

Pens stick with Murray in goal. We'll see if home cooking is what he needed, like it was for Pekka

Colin Wilson back tonight on the 4th line, he and Freddy Hockey could be dangerous together if (2016) Playoff Colin Wilson resurrects

Teams winning G5 after splitting the first four games have won the cup 14 of 19 times

Best of all, I scored a ticket to game 6. Want to win tonight so bad and have a chance to see us lift it on Sunday

Get your Listerine ready!!!

  

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445. "Lmao"
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446. "Dumpster fire"
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447. "Wow, Pittsburgh came out skating hard AF"
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448. "That was fun"
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LOL at the Preds in 6 talk because of 2 wins at home.

  

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449. "Crosby had no fuck around time. "
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not sure how anyone can be shocked the Pens bounced back. It's what they do.

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450. "Smuts was correct about the trading market approaching."
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Some people speculating that there might be more action leading up to the expansion draft declarations than the trade deadline. First and second year players at a premium. You can turn one of them into a significant piece right now unless I'm missing some fine print somewhere.

I get the feeling Smuts was right. This is when the GMs really earning their money. I'm interested to see if big defencemen go down in value in relation to puck-moving mobile guys. That seems to be the biggest trend people are talking about.

I checked out the teams Smut and chuck selected. I don't enough about all the players to have a legit opinion on that. What direction should they go? They have so many options. Before I knew that first and second year players didn't need protection I figured they might be best off just loading up on rookie contracts even if you have to compromise on quality. What else though? They could go extremely young and not take anyone over 26. Or they could do it based exclusively on favorable contracts. So you draft contracts instead of players. You could mix up ages and contracts and try to create an immediate winner.

Also interested to know what teams are in the most danger? I think we already agreed that Nashville might have to go the 1-8 route and have to expose two extra players. Probably the only team in the league to do that. The Maple Leafs have to be in the best shape. They don't have to protect like 8 of their top 10 players. The 2016 Leafs might be the greatest assembly of rookies in the history of the league. 3 of their top 5 scorers were rookies and all 3 had ROY considerations. 3 of the top 4 Rookie point leaders and 5 of the top 20. Unheard of.

Someone might get Fluery for a bag of pucks. People saying they messed up by not moving one...but armchair gms would trade a cup for the booty from a season starting Fleury trade. When you got the stars you're not gonna be able to keep them. Not the time to be maximizing surpluses for the future.

I think Nashville could be more than a mirage. 3 to 4 year contender steez. All parts are interchangeable with Rinne and that defence.


  

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451. "dude mcphee's phone has been ringing off the hook for a month-plus"
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Teams are trying to dictate what happens, get their parting FAs signed by Vegas or make agreements to send them assets in order to dictate whom they do and do not select.

McPhee has the opportunity to stockpile picks, and he will, bet on that. What he does in the actual draft will depend somewhat on what he can do with the free-agent window. I would expect him to go more after younger guys in free agency and most for bridge-player type veterans in the draft but that is mostly a hunch based on what is available. No first and second year players in the expansion draft with few exceptions related to position eligibility. Most of the guys in the back end of ELCs or on bridge deals are *definitely* going to be protected. So youth will be sparingly available in the expansion draft. I see him going more for the Cogliano or Vrbata types in the draft, guys who will make the team competitive now without requiring long-term commitments.

Some moves I would expect for sure in terms of the lead-up. 1) Fleury to Vegas via trade. The Pens have to expose a goalie. If they keep fleury, his contract dictates he is protected. Obviously they want Murray. Fleury is the best goalie on the market. Contrary to popular belief, he already has submitted his list and Vegas is on it. Barring a last-second upping of the ante by another franchise, he will be traded to Vegas soon after the season ends. McPhee is definitely interested, he wants to win some games now and build from the goal out. I would also expect Columbus to make some sort of minor deal to let them keep both goalies now that they have Korpisalo under contract. In a bigger deal, I think Vatanen to Vegas makes a lot of sense. Even with his injury, the interest is very high. Murray has to go 7-3-1 for a variety of reasons but he doesn't want to lose a defenseman for nothing. I expect him to move Vatanen to Vegas for futures and to make sure he picks who they do or do not take in the draft.


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452. "Question...."
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If Pittsburgh wins....is this the worst blueline to win the cup in history?

  

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461. "Probably"
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It's the worst I have seen and I have no reason to believe that in an era with six or twelve teams there was LESS depth on Cup winners.

Rutherford alluded to the Carolina team in 06 that won without a number one but they at least had a decent producer in Frank Kaberle and a bunch of top-four-ish guys who blocked shots and were able-bodied. Not only did the Pens not have any name guys but the guys they had were all beat up. Schultz, Cole and Daley were all seriously hurt at a MINIMUM, I guess we'll know tomorrow if there were others.

They got Hainsey who ended up playing a lot and Streit whom they kept off the ice unless it was absolutely necessary, which was weird. Hainsey was playing good minutes on a bad team. Streit is pretty old and a power-play specialist, I guess they didn't trust him 5on5 much.

I will say that some of the guys played better than their reputation. That was the case last year, too, but because Letang was the big-name guy and he played extremely well (IMHO should have won the Conn Smythe) it was overlooked. Daley and Lovejoy were great last year at times. This year Schultz and Domoulin I thought played over their heads at times.

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453. "Post 7 bitches!!! 4-1-2"
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454. "Well Nashville sure seems like a bunch of cool fans"
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First time I've seen a crowd just stay to boo the cup presentation.

Guess I can't expect them to know Hockey tradition

  

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463. "Most memorable part of 2017."
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Nashville fans. I'll remember that before I remember who won.

The 'refs you suck' chant after the game was weird too...but hell, coolest thing about the run was having a new fanbase showcased. If they're gonna immediately replicate an Edmonton or Calgary crowd than what's the point? They're gonna be a twist on traditions and that's what makes it fun in the first place...probably gonna be some missteps along the way. The other thing was the catfish timing. Too many in the first period and at the wrong time. Offensive zone faceoffs with momentum...keep that shit for a penalty kill or an icing call. I love the 'Thanks Paul' cheer after the one-minute warning. Perfect example of finding their own identity and I love the subtle mockery of hockey tradition in that.

Maybe I'm caught up in the hype...but I think this is the type of hype that lasts. Finding a Nashville way to celebrate the game. Get a foot in the culture and then twist it your way. Remains to be seen...but I think this run might firmly plant a widespread hockey appreciation and solid fan base there. Preds fans agree?

  

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466. "RE: Most memorable part of 2017."
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>Maybe I'm caught up in the hype...but I think this is the type
>of hype that lasts. Finding a Nashville way to celebrate the
>game. Get a foot in the culture and then twist it your way.
>Remains to be seen...but I think this run might firmly plant a
>widespread hockey appreciation and solid fan base there.
>Preds fans agree?

Hopefully the more casual folks have caught the bug and will be back in the fall. The chants, loudness, etc. that we got a lot of attention for have always been there. When the team was mentioned as a relocation candidate, fans picked up their game, the team, and the volume. We've been doing all chants y'all heard this year since at least 2005, when I moved to town and started following them.

I was googling for a video of the first TV time out standing O game (which gave me goosebumps to be at) and our announcer actually wrote a good blog about it a few days ago:
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Paul-McCann/Off-Day---The-Origin-of-the-TV-Timeout-Standing-O/24/85605

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4HsOiFoZiY

There were some dark days for the Preds, and the loyalists have always had a chip on our shoulder, outsider mentality. From being told hockey can't thrive in the south, Basille prematurely selling season tickets for the Hamilton Predators, and being told we should sit down, shut up and enjoy the game like we're at church others have tried to fit us into their mold. This is SEC country and most fans are used to being rabid. The fact that Nashville is a big draw for all southeastern grads (most desired, apart from maybe Atlanta, I'd argue) is great, because people don't bring allegiances to other teams, and the whole city can unify behind the Preds.

Due to the longevity of our run this year, I think lots of folks took notice and gave credit that the mold and traditions we've created are actually pretty exciting. Most fans may be too early in their fandom to have the reverence that an Original 6 team has for the game and the cup, I can appreciate that criticism and the jagoffs throwing stuff on the ice last night need to get checked swiftly, but I love our brand of hockey and cheering and think it will continue to build momentum in both Nashville and the Southeast.

  

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469. "The chants were cool, the booing the Pens post game was shit"
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I don't care if they are "new fans" that's pretty across the board in sports that you don't shit on a trophy celebration as long as the other team isn't being classless.

  

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472. "I don't disagree"
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That said, you have to understand it was hard to not feel jobbed in the moment. Not to make excuses, but with the GWG scored with 1:30 left in OT, I know my emotions were still being processed, and I'm probably in the 95th percentile of level-headedness when it comes to Preds fans (ha). Coupled with the conspiracy narrative (which is bs) that the league wants their golden boy to win, it was going to be a testy time for a proud fanbase.

I decided it was fair to stand and watch, unapplauding, because it is such a cool moment, but hey its not like we burned down the town, right Vancouver?

  

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455. "That bad call on the 1st goal sucks, but it's not THAT huge"
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Feels really bad in a 1-0 game, but there were what 50 minutes after that including a 5-3?

I'd be pissed if that call went the other way but that shit happens in sports, who knows how the game would have played out if that didn't happen, but it's never as simple as "we lost because of a bad call in the 1st period"

  

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458. "We weren't losing that game. "
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460. "I mean there was ONE GOAL in the whole game. Pretty huge"
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Refs tried to even out though and obviously had a big opportunity with that extended PP.

Either way the Pens had no control over the call and persisted through so much to get to this point. It is so fucking hard to repeat in the NHL.

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456. "Congratulations, Pittsburgh Penguins."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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457. "Will sting for a while"
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Hard to swallow two game opening goals getting called back for HIGHLY questionable reasons. That said congrats to the Pens and couldn't be prouder of the Preds!

  

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459. "I would be pissed at that first goal being reversed "
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But that isn't the reason you guys lost

Murray played great and your PP was terrible.

Great series tho

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471. "yeah. I got in late and missed that part but I was like"
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>Hard to swallow two game opening goals getting called back
>for HIGHLY questionable reasons. That said congrats to the
>Pens and couldn't be prouder of the Preds!

"dogg... that is gonna be talked about for a LONG while"

  

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464. "Great series and GREAT playoffs all around."
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Had a little bit of everything. Not too much of anything except perhaps replay challenges. Consistently competitive. Put the NBA to shame.

They should definitely go 4 on 4 for playoff overtimes. Truth be told...if the quality of viewing was top priority they should play 4 on 4 all game. Obviously not gonna happen but one can dream.

Smaller goalie equipment could help the game. Too many goals scored from puck scrambles and within 5 feet of the net. Also...one could make the argument that the winning team is the one who succeeds most in walking the line between legal screening and goalie interference. Too many replay challenges based on goalie interference....probably shouldn't be challengeable. Tighter restrictions on goalie equipment will bring more goals from farther out. Less replay challenges. Less motivation for goaltender interference. More skill.

I'm also seeing a decrease in gratuitous violence and overly dirty plays which is good. Players have more respect for each other's safety than in the past. No more Claude Lemeuix's. Decrease in fighting is good.

The finals has been pretty consistently a let-down after the first three rounds but this one remained good.

Seems like the new trend is mobile defencemen. Instead of pairing the mobile puck handlers with trees who clear the front of the net....it seems like the new recipe is putting all your mobile guys in the top 4 and putting the trees in the 5, 6 slots. You're always gonna need big strong D...but I'm expecting a significant ice time decrease for them the next couple years. If you play the game mostly with your back straight than your value is trending downward.

  

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465. "Yup. Someone tell Barry Trotz though"
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>....it seems like the new recipe is putting
>all your mobile guys in the top 4 and putting the trees in the
>5, 6 slots.

  

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467. "RE: Great series and GREAT playoffs all around."
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They need to either loosen offside a bit or get rid of the challenge. It is absurd that a play that culminates in a goal after a minute of zone time can be wiped out because a guy's skate was not a centimeter off the ice when his team gained the zone. Overall the linesmen are good, the 1980 call stands out because it's one of the few really egregious ones. Do we really want to be taking goals off the board in big games because of a minute technicality?

Personally I like playoff OT just the way it is. The 3on3 in the regular season is great but playoff hockey has a strong tradition surrounding overtime that I am not inclined to mess with. Some other changes might make it better--broader things like you talked about with goalie equipment, or some tweaks in the surface dimensions--but something fundamental like that? Nah.

On one hand you suggest that teams walking the line on goalie interference determines the game but on the other that it shouldn't be reviewable. It is hard to reconcile those two statements. I think what you said about too many goals being scored in close to the net is the really big issue here with both the crowding of the crease and the entertainment value of the game. I totally agree. The space behind the net is minimal and yet SO much of the game is played there. It makes the game a little dull because so much is chipping it in deep, stopping it and starting a cycle with the goal being someone stepping out in front of the net or making a short pass to an open guy for a tap-in. There are not a lot of artful goals anymore, maybe off the rush but that's about it. I'd like to see more creativity in the game, more medium to long shots that might go in, etc. I think goalie equipment is one way to do it. Some sort of decrease in shot-blocking would go a long way; we talked about Mike Bossy's sort of illegal defense suggestion which may or may not work. I also think the trapezoid for goalies should be reversed. Let them handle the puck OUTSIDE the trapezoid to reward good puckhandling, make the players play it INSIDE the trapezoid where the play is more likely to generate some offense. I've had some goalie coaches suggest that. The other thing is that it's hard to carry the puck into the zone. Carrying it in generates more secure possessions and potential passes than shooting it in but even on the power play it is tough to carry it in now (hence so many different drop-pass setups). Teams are getting good at standing puck-carriers up. I don't know how to combat that but I think reducing shot-blocking, increasing carry-ins and maybe making some minor adjustments to goalie equipment (but not the nets) are all things to consider.

I like the trend toward mobile defensemen, too, and the guys who are big and tought but also smart like Willie Mitchell and Doug Murray still had a place in the league and would today. I do think Pittsburgh limiting the time that both Rinne and his defenseman had with the puck was a big key in the finals. They dared Nashville's rag tag bunch of forwards to beat them in many instances, and the guys who could play (Forsberg, Arvie, Neal a little) the D did a good job of staying on top of them. Good game-planning there but you think about a team like Chicago who has mobile D AND good forwards, that's very tough to stop when they are playing well.

As for the dirty play, I actually think it's still an issue and a lot of players, particularly former players, seem to agree. You don't see the intent to injure plays (think about the 04 Final where the Flames took out Fedotenko, Adam Graves' slash on Mario in 92, etc), but there are a lot of dangerous and disrespectful plays. Lots of charging that goes uncalled or unnoticed. They call the impact rather than the intent. You could make an honest play but end up boarding a guy and he's hurt, it's a major. If you take a run at a guy with 15 strides to kill him in the corner but miss, they don't even assess a minor. That is bassackwards all the way. I think fighting should either serve its purpose--that would mean removing the instigator rule--or come out of the game completely and be replaced by much better on-ice discipline as well as supplemental discipline.

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470. "I know it's early but I can see the Pens making a 3rd run at the cup"
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I have no idea how the Cap works but who are we losing besides Fluery?

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473. "They are contenders every year for at least a few more"
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They probably won't get 3 straight because odds are just against it, but yea they'll be a top contender again.

The list of free agents is not bad

https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2018/caphit/PIT

They'll still have Sid, Geno, Kessell, Letang, Murray, Guetzel (super cheap) and Hornquist locked up.

You bring that base and fill in with the right role players and you're a contender automatically.

They have about 12 million to spend in the offseason that I'm guessing goes to Sheary and Daley. We'll lose Kunitz and Bonino among others I'll hate to see go I bet, but can recover from that

  

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475. "Win another Cup, OK, but three straight? Can't see it"
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I wasn't ruling out a repeat coming into the year and only thought it was iffy coming into the playoffs because of Letang's absence among other injuries. But three? That's almost unheard of.

I mean the Isles had such a great team and such savvy management/coaching, too. The only team I think had a chance since them to do it was the early 90s Penguins. They had the bold management, they had the stars, they were fuck-ing STACKED. They ran into a beat-up team with no reason to beat them but a hot goalie and bang, it was over. The Wings encountered some opposition in their quest, too, even though they managed to win again four years later. The Oilers never even won three in a row.

As far as who they are losing, Fleury and Cullen for sure. Bonino is a UFA and in this market could make very good money from a team looking to expand his role to a 2C/1PP role. I'd say he is leaving 70/30. Daley is a UFA and again very thin market for D, he could get (over)paid elsewhere. Hainsey, Doumulin, Schultz, Streit and Ruhwedel are all some type of FAs so obviously they won't all be back (I don't think they GAF about Streit).

Sheary is an RFA, I bet he comes back. Kunitz is UFA, I wouldn't be shocked if he retires but otherwise he'll be back.

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486. "we are early favorites"
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and unless Crosby gets injured I don't see anyone beating us in a best of 7.

Damn sure won't be the Caps.

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482. "Agreed."
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I called Pittsburgh this year and I think they might even be heavier favorites next year. They'll have time to address their D and they won't have a problem attracting short-term vets to fill it in. They're not gonna lose anybody they can't replace and they can sacrifice the future to fill in the blanks. About as sure a thing as possible in the NHL which isn't saying much...but they have to be marginal favorites.

  

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474. "Sidney's Crosby took the Cup to Rite Aid and and a local grocery store"
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...in the town I grew up in outside the Burgh.

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476. "Shaving cream, gummy bears, cond---OH SHIT THE STANLEY CUP"
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pretty cool.

Sid seems like a really level-headed, fairly simple guy. In that way he reminds me of Mario, two guys who traded their youth for greatness. Both prodigies who just dedicated their life to the game from an even earlier age than most guys in the NHL.

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477. "As the board's true hockey guy. Where do you see Sid ranking eventually?"
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He's never going to pass Wayne or Mario in terms of all time greats in my opinion (though he does have potential to retire with maybe 5 cups)

I know we live in this era where people both rush to rank someone all time way too early, and also hate all active players and don't give them proper appreciation until way later on, so I don't need like the exact answer.

But has Sid lived up to hype? Is he a top 10 player all time when it's all said and done? Top 5? What's he have to do to earn a spot there?

He has all of these intangibles that don't always show up on stat sheets and just this leadership quality that people don't appreciate.

When he finally learned to not let teams get to him with all of that shit they do to get in his head he really turned a corner which is what we saw the last 2 years. He had that lull from about 2012-2015 where he seemed to be heading to a downturn, but now he looks to have several more strong years as the best player in the sport and I think he can get himself into a top 5 convo easily by the end.

  

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478. "I have thinking about that a lot this year"
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I guess I'll use this as a space to organize those thoughts a bit and give you a much longer answer than would be necessary or reasonable.

Hockey is such a team game that I don't think just a Cup count does it, and if it did he has a long way to catch Jean Beliveau and other Canadiens greats, and of course no one will ever win four in a row the way guys like Bossy, Potvin and Trottier did.

One clear answer to a question: Has he lived up to the hype? Absolutely. That alone is no small feat, in our cognizant lifetime (assuming most guys here are like 25-40) there hasn't been as much hype around a junior player with the possible exception of Eric Lindros. I think Lindros fell a little short of expectations, Crosby has exceeded them.

Could Sid end up in the top 10 all time? I would say it's more possible than likely if only becaus the top ten is so tough to crack. Like most sports hockey has a long history with eras that make it challenging to compare. I think for now I am more comfortable looking at him within the context of his era. You look at the time period since he came into the league until now, there is no question he has been the best center and the best forward. I would say he has been the best player. He is a playmaker first but he's won a couple Richard trophies now. His defensive game has improved over the years. He has persisted through a lot of tough times with concussions. For a while it looked like he might have the type of short prime and/or injury-plagued career that some of the other greats had. That is one of the sad things about hockey, it's a brutal game that took a lot from guys like Lemieux, Orr, Bossy and Morenz, among many others.

On a leadership level I think Crosby is more of a leader by example. He is a perfectionist and a guy who can take his game up pretty consistently. I think the emotional side of the game and being a vocal leader weren't necessarily things that came to him naturally. As a captain I don't think he has the fire of Messier, the class of Sakic or the total package of Beliveau. But he has worked at it. Part of that concussion-plagued period was emotional growth for sure. Surely you remember the frustrating series against the Flyers in 2012 and the Bruins in 2013.


It is interesting you mention that lull, of course you're right. You wouldn't think people would speak frankly about that but they have. I wrote a couple of pretty in-depth pieces about Sid this year and it was fascinating to hear how candidly some people spoke about that time. Peter Forsberg said he was concerned Sid was losing his passion and wasn't the same player, but that he was thrilled to see him regaining it over the past year or so (this was in January). Ulf Samuelsson said seeing Crosby in the playoffs three years in a row (he was an assistant with the Rangers) showed him the same thing, he thought Sid might be losing his edge but now he is back playing as well as ever and more focused than before.


As far as his all-time rank, I mean it's tough because he is still furthering his legacy, like you said, and there are some other generational talents in the game today. McDavid is a very, very special player, probably like none we have ever seen. If one day he can get as strong as Crosby--the guy looks unassuming but he is a tank--he could be a top five player all time. His speed, hands and coordination are just ridiculous. Mathews, Laine and other guys are nice but as far as this level, McDavid is the guy. There are a couple of defensemen right now--Drew Doughty and Duncan Keith--that I don't think get their full due as potential all-time greats. Carey Price is a magnificent goalie, though so much of goaltending now is the team around you (pretty rare to see a great goalie without some good teams in the Original Six days and even beyond). I think peak for peak I would take Datsyuk over Crosby. His defensive game was considered the best in the league and it may have still been underappreciated, while his creative abilities, puck protection and imagination were all equally impressive. He was way smaller than Malkin or Mario but could cycle the whole fucking zone like he was doing laps with the puck despite five guys whacking at him. Unfortunately he didn't stay all that healthy and he was like a race car, he needed to be finely tuned to perform at his best. Sid has already had a better career and he's only 29. Sid is definitely better than Toews, who is competing more with Kopitar in today's terms as well as Mikita and Trottier in a historical context.

I would say guys that I don't see Crosby catching would be Orr, Howe, Gretzky and Lemieux. Lemieux was an offensive machine, the greatest scorer to ever live, and Gretzky had the imagination to bring everyone around him up two levels. Orr could dominate a game in a way that few players in any sport could, he was like the LeBron James of hockey. Howe was incomparable as well, a guy who was just a nightmare to play against in every way and his longevity set the standard not just for hockey but all team sports (we'll see if Jagr can get there).

Then you have the next group of guys who would be very tough to pass. Doug Harvey is one, he set the standard for defensemen prior to Orr. His numbers don't pop out but that's kind of like Don Hutson's numbers not popping out in football on all-time lists. You have to view them in context. Defensemen were all stay-at-home guys at that time. Messier is another guy I think he will have a hard time passing, he had all the offensive ability and more sandpaper to his game, plus he was a huge clutch performer and the ultimate captain. Sid may have finally finished jockeying with the next group of guys, namely Yzerman, Fedorov and Sakic (among wingers Jari Kurri is another arguable). Sid likely passed Forsberg for similar reasons to why I think he passed Datsyuk, the heir to Forsberg's "best on earth when healthy" crown.

To me Terry Sawchuk is a guy who has somehow managed to become underrated. Four Vezinas, four Cups and for my money he should still own all the career records given the multitude of advantages Brodeur (who is also on this list, BTW) had in breaking them. Other goalies I might consider would be Jacques Plante (not only for his accomplishments but his innovations) but I couldn't say authoritatively there, same with the great Glenn Hall. Goaltending in that era was very different. Bernie Parent at his peak but his peak was too short. Of guys in our lifetime, you'd have to look at Roy and Hasek, obviously. One guy who could win you the biggest games, another guy who could steal you the biggest games.

I would round out this group with Ray Bourque, as complete of a defenseman as there ever was. I think in the end Crosby may rise or have already risen above guys like Potvin, Lidstrom and Chelios along with all his contemporaries on defense (a rough comparison, of course), but Bourque will be tough.

I can't comment on guys like Howie Morenz or Eddie Shore, I mean that is a very long time ago as far as creating any sort of consensus or comparison.

I think Sid hasn't yet passed Jagr, for my money Jagr did everything Sid can do on offense and more. They are probably roughly as freakish in terms of strength and conditioning but Jagr was bigger and had better hands. He didn't do as much on D but he was a winger and didn't have to anyway. Guy Lafleur I would also take over Sid, more explosive on offense and as entertaining of a player as there ever was. He was absolutely brilliant.

The next group of guys are the pure goal-scorers. I would take Sid over the best guys from our youth like Selanne, Bure and Mogilny, amd over the puzzlingly underrated Marcel Dionne. Now we get to the tough ones. Bobby Hull and Maurice Richard, the prototypical goal-scorers, the guys two generations of hockey players wanted to be. What Kobe and Iverson were to their era in the NBA, these guys were to theirs in the NHL, in fact that may even be selling them short. To think that Hull played in an era where goalies didn't wear masks is frightening. Richard was as natural of a goal-scorer as there ever was. Crosby has work to do to pass them but given the second moment he is having, but maybe it's possible.

Another guy I'd throw into that mix is Mike Bossy. The majority of these guys played in higher-scoring eras, like to compare Sid's stats to the majority of the guys mentioned would be unfair. Like I think there is less of a gap between his numbers and Gretzky's than the raw numbers suggest. Same thing with Phil Esposito, who I'd say is more the guy Ovechkin has been chasing (Crosby has already caught him). But Bossy probably would have put up BETTER numbers had he come along later. He was not for the rough-and-tumble era of hockey, he was a pure scorer who I'd wager could have pushed Brett Hull, Selanne and Moginly and certainly outscored Ovie and Stamkos. Bossy was like Richard, he just had this knack for putting the puck in the net. Luc Robitaille I feel like deserves mention among guys with that knack but clearly Sid has been a better player. I also feel like concluding with a mention of Michel Goulet, who should have been on the top 100 list along with Pierre Pilote and Rod Langway.

So I guess whittling this novella down to a fucking list I'd say Crosby ranks somewhere in the top 20 or so players now.

In no specific order:
Orr
Howe
Wayne
Mario
Beliveau
Sawchuk
Bobby Hull
Maurice Richard (Henri with ELEVEN Cups!)
I guess Brodeur (didn't really go into detail above)
Bourque
Harvey
Messier
Jagr
Lafleur
Bossy
Hasek
Roy

That puts him just outside the top 15 right today without getting into arguable guys. The NHL is 100 years so to be one of the best 20 or so players in the league is pretty awesome, especially considering that he could foreseeably play for another eight or nine years with some peak seasons still ahead.

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479. "Thanks for that thought out answer"
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Hockey is a weird sport when it comes to ranking all time because of the goalie factor.

How do you compare a Brodeur or Roy to a Crosby when determining all time greatness. It's way more complicated than trying to compare a C to a PG or those kinds of debates in other sports.

You made me realize how many great but not greatest ever players there have been over my lifetime which is basically the same as yours. Guys I don't even think about like a Joe Sakic or Alex Mogilny that will never crack a top 15 list but were fantastic players.

With Crosby you are right that longevity and what else he does is going to go a long way. He is firing on all cylinders as a player and a leader right now when everyone thought he was on the way out a few years ago. Who knows what he can do. Can he put in another 5 years as the best player in hockey? Can he do it even longer? Or will he get a concussion in November next year and never play again? Neither would be out of nowhere.

I was very young for most of the Mario years. I was 10 in 92 so his comeback is really what I remember more than the cup. Crosby is the first all time great caliber player I've really just enjoyed playing for my team over a long career in any sport.

  

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480. "I hate losing to him"
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but I'm glad his career got back on track, health-wise.

Though I guess that's not entirely true considering he sat out only one game after taking a stick to the face and clearly getting concussed.

  

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481. "even D and forwards I think are somewhat difficult to compare"
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And yeah it sounds like we are the same age. Mario was the guy who really sparked my interest in hockey and the lockout plus his health problems diminished it briefly (and when I did get real into the 97 playoffs the Flyers ended up getting fucking killed in the finals).

Sakic was a helluva player, I think he could be a top 15-25 player depending who made the list. He was a guy who had the utmost respect from opponents, maybe even more so than Selanne or Lidstrom. There were a lot of goons from that era that said they wouldn't light up Sakic even when they had a good opportunity. Same thing with Selanne, Ian Laperriere once told me he wouldn't line up and basically just kind of chipped him out of obligation (though he did fucking murder Lidstrom once, rivalries are rivalries, I guess).

The biggest thing in Sid's legacy to me is how he fares against McDavid in the years to come. McDavid is the real deal. He is still figuring so many things and not nearly 100% there physically. Hopefully he spends some time with Gary Roberts and takes the next step in terms of his strength. Of course Crosby has an edge in that he plays for a good organization with good management. In my opinion Chiarelli is off to kind of a shitty start in Edmonton, he got the job on third base and has acted like he hit a triple.

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483. "Interesting read....."
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I think you're severely underrating Crosby though. Lindros is the most hyped junior ever and I don't think anyone will match that partly because he was the first to be that dominant in the media before being drafted. I'd guess Lebron is the bastketball version. Crosby's hype wasn't nearly the same scale.

I think Crosby's ranking that low might be because he plays somewhat robotic. For someone so dominant...he's not really as fun to watch as Datsyuk or Lafluer or Jagr. I think Bourque is actually the best comparison in terms of aesthetics but I'd definitely put Crosby above him. Team success flushes that out pretty good. Both of them are not exactly a joy to watch...their just extremely efficient. Both cerebral players but not specifically high in imagination and creativity. High percentage plays type of cerebral quality rather than 'what did he just do?' Crosby's greatest plays are usually hand-eye coordination type stuff whereas someone like Datsyuk was how he anticipated the play develop. But Crosby is a more complete player than Jagr, Lafluer, Hull, Bossy, hell even Messier. I know Mess is the prototype all-rounded hockey player...but Crosby would be faster, better puck-handler, better shooter, would beat him in most quantifiable measures. Sakic is another good example. Crosby just a tad better in all measurable ways.

I'd probably put him between 5 and 10. Something like this:

Gretzky
Orr
Lemieux
Howe
Beliveau
Richard
Crosby
Jagr
Messier
Yzerman
Datsyuk

Pittsburgh is the luckiest goddamn hockey city in the world. I hope they miss the playoffs next year. If they do...they'll probably win the draft lottery and get the next hall of fame player.

We obviously differ...but that's a great read you posted regardless.

  

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484. "If they hadn't got Crosby they wouldn't have a hockey team today"
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>Pittsburgh is the luckiest goddamn hockey city in the world.
>I hope they miss the playoffs next year. If they do...they'll
>probably win the draft lottery and get the next hall of fame
>player.

  

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485. "but we did... "
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and the rest is history

quest for 3 starts today

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487. "Mario might as well be Mayor of this city"
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Someone pointed out to me how many things he has done for Pittsburgh this week. I mean I knew it all, but it's pretty insane to list it out.

Won 2 cups as a player and partly responsible for the other 3
Played through cancer
Played without getting a pay check at one point
Bought the team to keep them in Pittsburgh
Let Crosby live with him to make sure he adjusted well
Responsible

  

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488. "They paid him in stock which made it easier to buy the team"
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He could have easily said no but thank god he didn't. The president of my HS class used to live in Mario's house when I was growing up. Fucking castle. These dudes definitely created some amazing memories for this city.

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495. "he also took a cheap ass salary in 97 when he came back"
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or they would have owed him more.

i heard his pad is crazy, yeah, i mean buying real estate in pittsburgh at that time i bet he had money to burn. sid lived there for a while. i don't understand why he ever moved out

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489. "look at what he made when he came back b/w Pens luck"
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he came back and they asked him how much they should pay him, basically giving him a blank check. he said, just pay me the league average. not only did he only make the same as a common second-liner, but it was PRORATED so that they only paid him the portion of the year he actually played since he came back after the season he started.

as far as the pens' luck, yeah it is pretty remarkable the timing they have had. i mean for years, they pretty much just sucked. but '83 is where the weird timing/luck starts. they are in a battle with the devils for last place (no lotto then) and Ed Johnston brings up a bunch of bums from the minors to finish the year, including a porous goalie and some shitty defensemen. they were pretty overt about tanking and might not have gotten away with it today. that's how they get mario.

then in 1990, mario was hurt for about a quarter of the year and a lot of things went wrong. they were playing buffalo for the final playoff spot and lost a heart-breaker. they end up with the No. 5 pick and get Jagr (arguably they could have drafted him lower but it's not likely).

then they stumble through the back end of mario's career, jeopardizing his saving of the team. they stink at the right time and it rolls over into year's worth of great picks, no. 2 for malkin, no. 1 for sid after the lockout. a lot of flyers fans like to point to this as some sort of knock on their franchise, especially since the flyers never rebuild. i don't agree with that, i mean not every team can do things the same way.

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496. "I hate this mindset on teams that rebuild"
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a lot of flyers
>fans like to point to this as some sort of knock on their
>franchise, especially since the flyers never rebuild. i don't
>agree with that, i mean not every team can do things the same
>way.


There is a lot that goes into a rebuild besides just stinking and getting high draft picks. Did the Pens really luck out to have the top pick in several years that there were hall of fame level players at the top take? Sure, but how many teams constantly have high draft picks in numerous sports, take sure thing prospects and never get better?

Not to mention the tremendous front office work the team has done in the salary cap era to constantly stay as a top level team and build around the stars with the right players that have career years with the Pens.

Every year they lose 5 guys that seem like they won't be able to recover from losing and survive. They were done this year when Letang went out and they survived what may be the worst cup winning defense of all time.

There's just so much more to being consistently good than getting some top picks, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised that Flyers fans are furious in general.

  

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498. "I mean"
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the year they got the #1 pick was arguably the best player of his generation, and the year they got the #2 was -also- one of the best players of his generation.

The Pens winning is about a lot more than 2 guys, but no events were more crucial to the Pens building a dominant team than the moderate luck of getting the 1 and 2 picks in two of the best years to do so in probably the last 20 years.

  

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499. "And the caps got the best goal scorer in how many years?"
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It's not that easy to win still.

  

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smutsboy
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500. "The Caps obviously got lucky"
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Fri Jun-16-17 12:24 PM by smutsboy

  

          

They jumped two teams (including the Pens) to get Ovi.

At the same time, the Pens were actually better off losing the Ovi sweepstakes because they got Shrek that year *and* Crosby the next year. If they get the #1 the Ovi year ('04), it's extremely unlikely they'd get the #1 the Crosby year ('05). Plus I'd rather have generation talent at center than at wing (by a long shot).

Any team who gets the #1 pick when a truly generational talent is available is lucky (many years the #1 isn't on Ovi-Crosby-Shrek-McDavid-Matthews level - ask the Oilers about that). A team who does it twice (including a year where there were *two* generational talents) is added fortune.

As I said, *a lot* more has gone into the Pens winning than Shrek and Crosby.

But this entire dynasty started with about as good of lottery luck as has happened in decades.

Both statements are true.

  

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ConcreteCharlie
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503. "cmon man"
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no need to be defensive about being lucky. it's better to be lucky than good and it helps a lot to be both.

this explains why getting malkin was much luckier than getting ovechkin, apart from the notion that malkin is arguably a better player anyway:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/389617-why-the-pittsburgh-penguins-won-by-losing-the-2004-nhl-draft-lottery

what did the caps end up with in 2005? some fucking guy at 14 overall who never played a single NHL game. not exactly the cornerstone of a dynasty.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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504. "I'm not denying the luck to it"
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I'm denying the attitude of Flyers (and many fans) of Oh well it's easy to win when you just tank and rebuild

  

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smutsboy
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505. "Edmonton painfully disagrees with anyone who actually thinks its easy"
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if you just pick 1st overall all the time.

Only took them four shots to get a generational talent.

  

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ConcreteCharlie
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502. "RE: I hate this mindset on teams that rebuild"
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>
>There is a lot that goes into a rebuild besides just stinking
>and getting high draft picks. Did the Pens really luck out to
>have the top pick in several years that there were hall of
>fame level players at the top take? Sure, but how many teams
>constantly have high draft picks in numerous sports, take sure
>thing prospects and never get better?

Well, that's the lucky part, isn't it? You could be the Clippers and have the number one pick when it's Michael Olowakandi after years of being terrible, or you could be the Spurs and get Tim Duncan after just one unexpectedly down year. Same thing here, teams like Columbus were bad for years and they never got the right guys in the draft. Some of it is scouting and development but when we are talking very top picks, most of it is luck. There is a consensus there and it's not like some other team was going to turn Crosby and Malkin into 40-point-a-year checkers.

>Not to mention the tremendous front office work the team has
>done in the salary cap era to constantly stay as a top level
>team and build around the stars with the right players that
>have career years with the Pens.

Yeah that is a big thing both times their management was good. Patrick was bold, Shero did a nice job and Rutherford has done his best work in Pittsburgh, which is saying something given the unconventional champion he built in Carolina.

>Every year they lose 5 guys that seem like they won't be able
>to recover from losing and survive. They were done this year
>when Letang went out and they survived what may be the worst
>cup winning defense of all time.

I didn't see any red flags last year, Malkin going down for 20 games or whatever actually kind of help them sort their team out, plus they knew he'd be back. This year I was surprised they were able to keep it together. Of course in years past they had some disappointments.

>There's just so much more to being consistently good than
>getting some top picks, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised
>that Flyers fans are furious in general.


Well on one hand I think they aren't making a fair comparison all the time, on the other I do kind of get it. The Flyers refused to do what Chicago and Pittsburgh did and they still managed to get close so many times, particularly during the 80s. They were a real model of consistency (still the best winning percentage of any team beside Montreal, I believe) and had so many brushes with greatness, then you see these teams who were actively trying to lose in some cases ending up with championship teams. I don't want to embrace that frustration fully but I do understand it.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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ConcreteCharlie
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490. "RE: Interesting read....."
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>I think you're severely underrating Crosby though. Lindros
>is the most hyped junior ever and I don't think anyone will
>match that partly because he was the first to be that dominant
>in the media before being drafted. I'd guess Lebron is the
>bastketball version. Crosby's hype wasn't nearly the same
>scale.


It was pretty big, I mean Lindros was bigger in terms of hype but Crosby and McDavid were on the same level. I started hearing about Crosby as a No. 1 pick when he was 14, I mean that's pretty young, right there with Mario, McDavid, Lindros and Lafleur. That's just splitting hairs though.

>I think Crosby's ranking that low might be because he plays
>somewhat robotic. For someone so dominant...he's not really
>as fun to watch as Datsyuk or Lafluer or Jagr. I think
>Bourque is actually the best comparison in terms of aesthetics
>but I'd definitely put Crosby above him. Team success flushes
>that out pretty good.

Well it's an apple/orange comparison because of defense/center but I am not sure I see the team success issue. Bourque went to a couple finals with Boston and then they were blocked by a dominant team in Pittsburgh (the battles with whom also cost them their best forward). Then of course Bourque wins the Cup with the Avs. So I don't see a lack of team success for Bourque and he was more dominant at his position, same thing with Harvey. As an aside I often wonder who would have been the class of the East if not for the Pens. Both Boston and Washington had very good teams in the late 80s/early 90s.

Both of them are not exactly a joy to
>watch...their just extremely efficient. Both cerebral players
>but not specifically high in imagination and creativity. High
>percentage plays type of cerebral quality rather than 'what
>did he just do?' Crosby's greatest plays are usually hand-eye
>coordination type stuff whereas someone like Datsyuk was how
>he anticipated the play develop. But Crosby is a more
>complete player than Jagr, Lafluer, Hull, Bossy, hell even
>Messier. I know Mess is the prototype all-rounded hockey
>player...but Crosby would be faster, better puck-handler,
>better shooter, would beat him in most quantifiable measures.
>Sakic is another good example. Crosby just a tad better in
>all measurable ways.


Yeah I would agree that he is more complete than the guys you named with the possible exception of Messier. Messier was more of a straight-ahead player but he was a bull and he could do it all. I had Sid ahead of Sakic and Yzerman but it's close, especially when you look at playoff performance. Sid had more productive playoffs earlier in his career. I think his two Conn Smythes are a little deceptive, too. Datsyuk again I think is more than fun to watch, he was a more complete player than just about anyone to ever play. I have him behind Crosby because injuries and a late start hampered his career.

>I'd probably put him between 5 and 10. Something like this:
>
>Gretzky
>Orr
>Lemieux
>Howe
>Beliveau
>Richard
>Crosby
>Jagr
>Messier
>Yzerman
>Datsyuk

Well part of the problem here is that there isn't a single goalie on the list. That is four guys off my list right away. Jagr and Messier I'd acknowledge are very close and the same thing with Bossy, Lafleur and Jagr, guys who he might pass but hasn't yet IMO. Yet those last three weren't as complete but they were more explosive. Jagr at his best was unstoppable in a way that Sid never will be. Lafleur not only entertained and produced more, he won FIVE cups and Mess won six. I am not sure how you can have Richard ahead of him but not Hull, those guys are neck and neck historically as the next best wingers behind Howe. Bourque and Harvey we touched on above, I think those guys and Lidstrom could be argued ahead of him but unlike with Orr where it's just a no-brainer you get into the messiness of positional comparisons.

So I don't think we are too far apart here, I just think we differ on a few close ones and some fundamental things like how many goalies and D go ahead of him (for you it's one total, which seems light) and on some of the closest debates.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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DonVito
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491. "Preds lose assistant Phil Housley, new HC in Buffalo"
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Hate to see him go, he has done a great job over the last 4 years for us on the whiteboard and driving the best d corps in the league, but happy for him getting called up.

  

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493. "was a done deal during the playoffs"
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pretty crazy that five years ago he was coaching high school hockey but then again you play almost 20 years in the NHL, that's plenty of experience. he was a smart player and a fun player, too, a lot of stuff we see today he was doing in the late 80s and early 90s. super nice guy, too. one time nick leddy spent a long time telling me how much he valued housley's tutelage and there are a lot of american guys who have similar thoughts. when the preds beat guy from the tennessean got canned, housley and his wife were very supportive. he is a people person, classic midwesterner all the way.

curious to see who his assistants are. i think capuano would be a great choice. i hope that he keeps terry murray, he is a good man and a good coach. all those decisions will come next week.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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492. "Jonathan Drouin heading home to Montreal"
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I LOVE this trade for both teams.

Tampa was in a cap crunch and had too many players to protect in the expansion draft. Also, given the history with Drouin and Cooper, it made sense to shop him. They were in desperate need of a talented puck-moving defenseman who won't eat up much cap. They get a solid prospect in Sergachev.

For Montreal, this is a home run. Drouin is one of the most talented players in the league. He will add some much-needed scoring touch and playmaking ability to the Habs' top-six. He's young and now signed for the next 6 years at a very reasonable cap hit. The Habs will get his best years for a decent price and this helps them win now as Sergachev will likely need some seasoning before he can make a big impact.

Now, we'll see if they keep Galchenyuk.

There are rumours they're in on Brodin. Would be nice if they could get that done with just draft picks.

It's going to be a crazy couple of weeks.

  

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494. "good deal for both teams, exaxtly"
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Drouin's days were numbered there for a while now, not just with Cooper but also with Yzerman. It was a testament to Yzerman's patience and professionalism that he waited for the right time and the right deal. In terms of straight talent I think Montreal won the deal but given the full circumstances it's a toss-up who will win in the long run. First off the pick upgrade is big because Tampa is probably the best drafting team in the Eastern Conference. Secondly it solves money/expansion draft issues like you said. Lastly they have forwards in their system, Raddysh is going to be a stud, among others. They needed a little defensive depth. I would not be surprised if they moved Johnson, an RFA, and added a right-shot D before all was said and done.

I think the biggest need for Montreal is a center with some size and Drouin isn't that but having more pop in your top six eases the pressure on whoever they do end up adding. Now he can be more of a defensive-minded player potentially, for example. The biggest thing is an extension for Price and filling a hole in the middle. Maybe they will pursue Stepan, it definitely sounds like the Rangers are shopping him actively.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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497. "Regarding the picks"
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Apparently, if Sergachev plays 40 games (combined regular season and playoffs) for Tampa next year, there is no exchange of picks. So, it could be Sergachev straight up for Drouin. If he doesn't play the 40 games, TB gets Washington's 2nd-round pick that we acquired in the Eller trade. So, really a very low 2nd-rounder.

Anyway, I think given Yzerman's position, he did well. Prospects like Sergachev are hard to acquire so he turned a tough situation into checking off a number of boxes. Bergevin definitely capitalized though in acquiring a potential stud offensive player's prime years for cheap. And it doesn't hurt that Drouin will appease the French-Canadian fanbase too.

As for Stepan, I wonder if Galchenyuk would be flipped for him. It seems like a done deal that Galchenyuk is being traded. I just hope it's not for a defenseman since that would just mean a re-shuffling of the deck.

  

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501. "I'd be slightly surprised he if played 40 games for TB next year."
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He is still very young and they won't rush him, they learned from mistakes like that in the past.

I think Stepan for Gally is a possibility. Rangers will probably want a DMan, preferably a right-handed one, as a first priority, but if not a similar swap the Brassard-Zibenejad one might be in play. I think ideally they will want a useful piece that makes a little less money plus a prospect or pick for Brassard. He is probably the best center on the market, barring a Tavares trade, so they should get lots of offers.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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