Honest question

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"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

I'm sure they can get you a nice, detailed breakdown on the subject.

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I think Byron was a pussy for allowing Kobe to do what ever he wanted. There wasnt much coaching being done when #24 was on the court.

Luke is doing a bad job with a bad team. There's a lot of player development needed and he's failing..... but so did Byron.

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"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

D'A.R is averaging 15.1 points, 4.8 assists and 3.6 rebounds per game in his second season.

& I was against the hiring of Bill Walton's kid/Steve Kerr's coffee/bagel boy

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

So why was Byron a "bad coach?"

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so not sure their intention was to tank w/Byron or not. Probably. Byron wasn't coaching in a style they wanted to roll w/moving forward.

Probably what did him in was the old school mentality he had when coaching youngsters, and his refusal to embrace pace and space. Lakers are weird though.

I couldn't tell if this was a 'shit on Luke' post or another in a long line of 'Byron is a good coach' posts, though.. so my bad.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

>I couldn't tell if this was a 'shit on Luke' post or another
>in a long line of 'Byron is a good coach' posts, though.. so
>my bad.

The end.

That's literally the entirety of his issue.

You swap their respective skin color and OE has no beef with anything that's happened whatsoever.

>The end.
>
>That's literally the entirety of his issue.
>
>You swap their respective skin color and OE has no beef with
>anything that's happened whatsoever.
>
>


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There’s nothing else to discuss with you on this topic until you abandon the “Byron’s black, Luke’s white” shtick since that’s the entirety of your issue.

Byron WAS BLAMED and WAS FIRED

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Laker fans been cuffing Luke's balls

You still ain't apologized to Lebron, hoe



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Talk about losing marbles... you can't have a single conversation without this name calling nonsense, can you?

The facts are correct and readily available.

The fact is they declined his option. That’s inarguable and not up for interpretation.

But by all means, continue making things up.

He was BLAMED for shit he had NO CONTROL over.

It's NOT DEBATABLE

That "enabling" narrative was CLEARLY a scapegoat

Lakers were EMBRACING that farewell tour like shit! THey
are CAKING HARD off of Kobe


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The Kobe thing is, at best, debatable.

Even then, that had little to do with whether he was the man for the job going forward.

Do you know what did?

The question of whether or not he was the right man to lead this particular group and a fair amount of that article was correct.

That still doesn't blame him for the Lakers record.

GODDAMN

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That article blames Byron for his handling of Dlo and being an active participant in letting Kobe go full on Gunslinger all season.

You keep saying “so it’s alllll on him?” in response to, well, who knows, because I didn’t say it and neither did that article… and even if it did, it’s just one article.

You equate some responsibility with all responsibility.

You equate critique of specific decisions to blame for the entire thing.

You equate choosing not to pick up his option and deciding to go a different direction with firing him because everything is his fault.
Of course, you say this to Lakers fans as though we all blamed the entire thing on Byron. Meanwhile most of us have heavily criticized Jim, Mitch, Kobe, and Byron throughout.

Meanwhile you still can't explain what made him the best choice for us going forward.

>That article blames Byron for his handling of Dlo and being
>an active participant in letting Kobe go full on Gunslinger
>all season.
>
>You keep saying “so it’s alllll on him?” in response to,
>well, who knows, because I didn’t say it and neither did
>that article… and even if it did, it’s just one article.
>
>You equate some responsibility with all responsibility.
>
>You equate critique of specific decisions to blame for the
>entire thing.
>
>You equate choosing not to pick up his option and deciding to
>go a different direction with firing him because everything is
>his fault.
>Of course, you say this to Lakers fans as though we all blamed
>the entire thing on Byron. Meanwhile most of us have heavily
>criticized Jim, Mitch, Kobe, and Byron throughout.
>
>Meanwhile you still can't explain what made him the best
>choice for us going forward.


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No coach would've won with either roster.

We overachieved long enough to ponder just how much was real and how much was fools gold, but we still overachieved.

A more accurate and reasonable stance to harken back to would be preseason expectations and those weren't high at all. We clearly exceeded those expectations in the early going.

>We overachieved long enough to ponder just how much was real
>and how much was fools gold, but we still overachieved.
>
>A more accurate and reasonable stance to harken back to would
>be preseason expectations and those weren't high at all. We
>clearly exceeded those expectations in the early going.
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They didn't pick up his contract

At a time when the roster was young and there was a hot young prospect on the market from a winning program who was also a former Laker.

They went in a direction they felt was better for this particular team as constructed. Many of us fans felt the same way.

Guess what?

He's not owed a job as head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers.

Where’s all this “blame”?

Who “blamed” Byron for the Lakers record?

Please elaborate.

State your case like a reasonable human being instead of this weak ass bait post nonsense where you pose a binary question that’s based on a fundamentally false premise about a situation with several variables.

In a disrespectul ass way, too

And he got BLAMED For "enabling" Kobe Bryant

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/04/25/lakers-byron-scott-fired-kobe-bryant-dangelo-russell-nick-young


Bwahahahahahahahah


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It's telling that you always need to run to this childish behavior.

Thus far you've ran to the "lose your marbles" and now it's the childish "dipshit" name calling. You're nearly always the first to enter that sort of nonsense into any discussion.

Anyhow that article doesn't even say he was fired.

What’s funny is the one thing the article genuinely does blame Byron for literally can’t be blamed on Luke: Letting Kobe run wild…. Which is true. Personally I don’t know how much of that was an edict from on high and how much was his unwillingness to get tough with Kobe. Of course, you didn’t want that. You actively supported him letting Kobe run roughshod. Hell you were incredulous at the idea that Byron needed to set clear boundaries with Kobe.

Luke isn’t getting blamed for that because, well, uh, I mean, you know, Kobe kind of retired and doesn’t play anymore. Not sure how you want to pass that onto Luke but knock yourself out. Further, you seem to think Scott was flawless and without error. You’ve never been able to accept a single mistake was made on his part. Not a single one!
Then the article makes the same point I and others here have made: The issue with Scott was came down to two factors:

1. Whether or not he was thought to be a good fit with this specific group going forward.

2. The availability of a promising young prospect from a winning team

Those two factors ultimately lead to the decision not to pick up his option.

Now please, throw another childish tantrum and point the finger at me.

you pathetic sack of doo doo

your arguments suck

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but a lot of name calling.

Shocking.

The only justification was a make believe one:

"HE ENABLED KOBE!!!"

So that was ALLLL him!?!?!? That wasn't the front office!?!??!

Bwahahahhhahahhahahahahahaahahahahahah

And remember when he was BLAMED for Dangelo?!?!

Oh, so what Deangelo do now!?!?!?

Bwahahahahah

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>The only justification was a make believe one:
>
>"HE ENABLED KOBE!!!"
>
>So that was ALLLL him!?!?!? That wasn't the front
>office!?!??!

Pssst... the article called him an "active participant", which is definitively NOT saying it's "allll him".

So, uh, yeah. Somehow you interpret "active participant" as "entirely his fault".

>And remember when he was BLAMED for Dangelo?!?!
>
>Oh, so what Deangelo do now!?!?!?
>
>Bwahahahahah

What was he "blamed" for?

Note how, as always, you rely on broad brush strokes. Generalities.

"blamed for Dangelo" doesn't say anything.

You don't want to discuss the actual, specific critiques of his handling of Deangelo. It's just HE WAS BLAMED FOR DANGELO.

So again, you seem to think he didn't make a single mistake.

>>The only justification was a make believe one:
>>
>>"HE ENABLED KOBE!!!"
>>
>>So that was ALLLL him!?!?!? That wasn't the front
>>office!?!??!
>
>Pssst... the article called him an "active participant", which
>is definitively NOT saying it's "allll him".
>
>So, uh, yeah. Somehow you interpret "active participant" as
>"entirely his fault".
>
>>And remember when he was BLAMED for Dangelo?!?!
>>
>>Oh, so what Deangelo do now!?!?!?
>>
>>Bwahahahahah
>
>What was he "blamed" for?
>
>Note how, as always, you rely on broad brush strokes.
>Generalities.
>
>"blamed for Dangelo" doesn't say anything.
>
>You don't want to discuss the actual, specific critiques of
>his handling of Deangelo. It's just HE WAS BLAMED FOR DANGELO.
>
>
>So again, you seem to think he didn't make a single mistake.


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http://www.si.com/nba/2016/04/25/lakers-byron-scott-fired-kobe-bryant-dangelo-russell-nick-young

It is a bullshit racist ass scapegoating job

They know DAMN WELL last season was a tank job and a Kobe
farewell money making affair

He did that and got BLAMED FOR IT


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I mean… you avoided gems like “he’s coached five straight sub–25 win teams dating back to his time with the Cavaliers.”

You also avoid things like entering the season actively discouraging three pointers.

The article is full of valid critiques of his coaching. More importantly it touches on his relationship with the players:

“And he really couldn’t point to his relationships with Russell, Randle and the Lakers other youngsters, as he had just asked them to give up a year of their lives to serve as extras in Bryant’s goodbye documentary. How was a, “Last year was last year, this is your team now” message ever going to fly given the extraordinary circumstances around Bryant’s farewell tour? “

These are valid critiques but it still doesn’t place the blame for the Lakers record squarely on him.

What’s funny is you still can’t articulate what made him the best guy for the job. You go on and on with these generic assertions but have never once explained why he should have been kept on.

So let’s hear it.

Also, let’s see if you can grow the fuck up for once and try your hand at a civilized conversation without the petulant name calling and bratty demeanor.

You fucking suck at this!

Go drink a cold coke and tap a nap, find a new hobby!

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More over… what’s inaccurate?

The only questionable part of that is whether or not letting Kobe run wild was a mandate from on high or whether that was under his discretion. The rest is dead on and focuses on specific aspects of his coaching.

Further, we just fired the men who hired him. That entire regime is gone. Blame for the current state of this time has quite clearly been spread around.

You can’t tell the difference between blaming him for the Lakers record and evaluating specific aspects of his actual coaching, which is what the article did.

And yet…. You still can’t explain why they should have picked up his option and you still talk like a spoiled brat mad because the convo isn’t going his way.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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I LITERALLY said "The only questionable part of that is whether or not letting Kobe run wild was a mandate from on high or whether that was under his discretion."

Which, yet again, is definitively NOT saying it was "all him".

So, you know... yeah.

I mean...

You got this sarcastic laughter in at least two posts where you're definitively incorrect.

You got a lot of petty name calling.

You got a lot of generalities.

You don't know the difference between "fired" and "his contract expired and they declined the *team* option to bring him back".

But not ONE argument for why they should have picked up his option.

These are facts.

they moved on from Byron for 1 primary reason and this is their evaluation on who would work better with a young roster moving forward...not necessarily for the losing that occurred under him..

but with multiple 20 year olds...early 20s guys.... Is Byron the best guy to mold these guys moving forward?

they felt he wasn't...

Luke is 1 season in.... the front office thought Luke was better with young guys.... we still in the tank...

but if a year from now, the new front office regime doesn't see the growth they want...Luke will be gone too...

Luke doesn't have anything that Byron didn't get....B got a 2nd chance with the Lakers...Luke will get a 2nd chance...

>but with multiple 20 year olds...early 20s guys.... Is Byron
>the best guy to mold these guys moving forward?
>
>they felt he wasn't...

Based on what?

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

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and obviously the front office didn't like the development strategy for the young players..

sure it got to the point they were tanking..... but even late in the seasons... B wasn't playing the young players consistently....

Luke is sitting vets to play the young players.

but again....B Scott got 2 seasons...

Luke has gotten 1.....

and with a new front office, we'll have to see how long they'll stick with him.


Magic didn't hire him...

all Luke has earned is a chance to start a 2nd season..

we'll see how it turns out..

remember we're stilly paying Mike Brown....Mike D'Antoni and B. Scott...

WHY THEY NO PASS THE BALL TO CURRY?!?!?!

It worked like a charm in GSW.

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