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"LMAO!! Why is Jim Caldwell keeping his job news? "


  

          


They are in the playoffs, and he's been one of the
best coaches in football

White folks, why don't you appreciate black minds?

Serious question

I mean, read this closet racist shit from Albom (and note, this
is mostly POSITIVE):

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnists/mitch-albom/2017/01/04/jim-caldwell-detroit-lions/96175718/


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i saw a news segment on this
Jan 05th 2017
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the most unfairly disrespected coach i can remember
Jan 05th 2017
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"we were in lateral prevent" Jim Caldwell
Jan 05th 2017
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      lmao i never heard that before.
Jan 05th 2017
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      Extended quote:
Jan 05th 2017
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      No one watch the Dallas game from 2 years ago
Jan 05th 2017
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      Definitely don't watch the 4th and 1 from DAL 40 after PI fiasco
Jan 05th 2017
           I'm all for shitting on Matty IceCream
Jan 05th 2017
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                It's a testament to him how beautiful our hurry-up is
Jan 05th 2017
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      As if playcalling and media relations are even a quarter of the job
Jan 05th 2017
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           Media relations? LOL
Jan 05th 2017
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                Those decisions aren't even five percent of what a coach does
Jan 05th 2017
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                     Those desicions lose football games. Period.
Jan 05th 2017
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Because you don't watch the lions
Jan 05th 2017
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You do realize Caldwell is one of the best coordinaters ever, right? (li...
Jan 05th 2017
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      Then he should hit his turn signal and get back in his lane
Jan 05th 2017
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           No, idiot, you said he was being saved by his coordinators
Jan 05th 2017
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                He isn't calling plays,and he wasn't when the OC sucked either
Jan 05th 2017
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                     LMAO!! That's EXACTLY what "executive function" is, imbecile
Jan 05th 2017
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                          Ask will5198 what he thinks about Caldwell managing a game.
Jan 05th 2017
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                               Timeout.
Jan 05th 2017
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                               "Anything but the facts, ma'am" (c) opposite of Dragnet
Jan 05th 2017
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                               He'll say Manning cost Caldwell a Super Bowl with the worst throw ever
Jan 05th 2017
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                                    You shouldn't speak for someone smarter than you nm
Jan 05th 2017
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                                         You're right, I'm of inferior "executive function"
Jan 05th 2017
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                                              I knew we'd find common ground at some point nm
Jan 05th 2017
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                                                   Takes me all my noodles, given your advanced executive function
Jan 05th 2017
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                                                        Only you and Jim think it's "advanced" but that's ok
Jan 05th 2017
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I found that odd too, was listening to the LeBatard Show pod and that
Jan 05th 2017
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It's news because we can get blown out by 40 with no impact
Jan 05th 2017
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Bro, I read that and said, "Is he in the hospital or something?..
Jan 05th 2017
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Funny, there's a Lions fan in this thread
Jan 05th 2017
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Lol. Do people question McCarthy's INTELLIGENCE tho?
Jan 05th 2017
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      We do all the time
Jan 05th 2017
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           Cool, point to critques of his "executive function"
Jan 05th 2017
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                RE: Cool, point to critques of his "executive function"
Jan 05th 2017
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                     Wasnt he on the sideline making a scene when lacy took himself out?
Jan 05th 2017
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                          RE: Wasnt he on the sideline making a scene when lacy took himself out?
Jan 05th 2017
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what a weird hit piece
Jan 05th 2017
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Who told you this?
Jan 05th 2017
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      "king" is hyperbole
Jan 05th 2017
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           replace king with the actual word used
Jan 05th 2017
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                no one told me anything
Jan 05th 2017
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                     Agreed.
Jan 05th 2017
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Fun with STATS
Jan 05th 2017
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In fairness, Theo riddick being out is killing us
Jan 05th 2017
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      Well I can leave out facts to further my agenda too!!!!
Jan 05th 2017
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           Lmao - fair enough
Jan 05th 2017
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He's doing a very good job with a limited team.
Jan 05th 2017
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Caldwell has nothing to do with the offense or defense.
Jan 05th 2017
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RE: Caldwell has nothing to do with the offense or defense.
Jan 05th 2017
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You really think he doesn't influence the strategy on either side?
Jan 05th 2017
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Nothing to do w defense, but Hail Mary coverage is his fault
Jan 05th 2017
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Damn.
Jan 05th 2017
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He spoke that admission with his own mouth. So yeah. It is.
Jan 05th 2017
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That was an editing error : ..."nothing like any CALDWELL offense ever" ...
Jan 05th 2017
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      So black playoff coaches get chided for having coordinators...I'd done
Jan 05th 2017
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      If you're so sure that Caldwell has nothing to do with the offense...
Jan 05th 2017
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           His only input is apparently to pump the brakes on it
Jan 05th 2017
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                Fair enough. We just see it differently.
Jan 05th 2017
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                     According to pro football reference
Jan 05th 2017
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                          That's a good fact, and I'll have to digest it.
Jan 05th 2017
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                               RE: That's a good fact, and I'll have to digest it.
Jan 05th 2017
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                               Another fact: Detroit is in the playoffs.
Jan 05th 2017
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LMAO! Gotta love it.
Jan 05th 2017
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pretty much
Jan 05th 2017
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That bothered me too
Jan 05th 2017
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Haven't watched many Lions games lately eh?
Jan 05th 2017
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      Was there really a chance he'd get fired before a playoff game?
Jan 05th 2017
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           No...They are saying he's already back for 2017
Jan 05th 2017
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                Never want to coach with a sense of urgency in a playoff game
Jan 05th 2017
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                     How close to the end zone do you think the closest one will be?
Jan 05th 2017
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This is a very enlightening post.
Jan 05th 2017
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Lions fans on this subject are like Skins fans on RG3
Jan 05th 2017
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Lost their last 3 games....all against actual teams
Jan 05th 2017
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And still in the playoffs. Fuck you expect?
Jan 05th 2017
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      I dont get it.
Jan 05th 2017
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I wouldn't debate the Lions not finishing well, or not being frustrating
Jan 05th 2017
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OE, bshelly, cgonz and Ceej are all right
Jan 05th 2017
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Great points.
Jan 05th 2017
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Holy fuck. I didnt realize that was him. Jesus Christ smh
Jan 05th 2017
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I think we disagree on stafford's best season (2011 imo)
Jan 05th 2017
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without Calvin, tho.
Jan 05th 2017
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      ^^^^WILL BURNING SCALPS!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
Jan 05th 2017
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      Fair
Jan 05th 2017
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      not just w/o Calvin look at all the game the Lions trailed in the 4th qt...
Jan 05th 2017
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^^^GODDAMN!!!! LOCK, ARCHIVE, AND FONDLE O_E'S BALLS.
Jan 05th 2017
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but a black person can't coach offense.
Jan 05th 2017
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*stands up, golf claps*
Jan 05th 2017
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Thing is Zeke's #s are far and away better than any other RB's.
Jan 06th 2017
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This is 100% correct. Bonus points for not using the word "imbecile"
Jan 06th 2017
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the irony
Sep 11th 2018
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Rumor has it, Caldwell could still be fired
Jan 06th 2017
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Self-fulfilling circus. Awesome.
Jan 06th 2017
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Bwahahahahaha.
Jan 06th 2017
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While Chuck Pagano gets another year
Jan 07th 2017
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Josh McDaniels is exactly who the Lions deserve
Jan 06th 2017
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i was wrong. patricia is a far more appropriate head coach.
Sep 11th 2018
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They should go for it.
Jan 06th 2017
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of course he could-the fact that they even gave him a vote of confidence
Jan 07th 2017
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http://thesportsgeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/TheManyFacesAndEmot...
Jan 06th 2017
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Bradshaws not callin him a cheerleader
Jan 06th 2017
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      Terry's brain is still processing the Cowboys joke
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remember... OE gave caldwell 100% credit for ravens super bowl
Jan 09th 2017
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LOL...fuck are you even talking about?
Jan 09th 2017
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That column made my head hurt. Term limits for sports writers?
Jan 09th 2017
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Y'all messing with CBD oil? It's been good for sleep. Put it in your tea...
Sep 10th 2018
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I will give it a shot.
Sep 11th 2018
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gonna need to try that. anxiety got me.
Sep 11th 2018
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I got you. Do CBD + Valerian root tonic. Valerian is great for anxiety.
Sep 11th 2018
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weird, CBD acts like a stimulant to me. i like it in the mornings
Sep 11th 2018
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U right + it's anti-anxiety.
Sep 11th 2018
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I ordered one of those weighted blankets
Sep 11th 2018
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I thought of you when Drew Magary compared Belicheat to Caldwell
Sep 11th 2018
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Ashy Achilles
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1. "i saw a news segment on this"
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and scratched a damn hole in my scalp

  

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2. "the most unfairly disrespected coach i can remember"
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all because he's black and looks lost on the sideline. he's not lost at all, but he looks it.

but anyway why are we not talking about him as coach of the year

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4. ""we were in lateral prevent" Jim Caldwell"
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His words after the GB hail Mary last year

He is constantly lost

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7. "lmao i never heard that before."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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11. "Extended quote:"
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"In that situation, we have a couple different things that we do. That was one where you were kind of looking for that pass and back-and-forth kind of thing because of the range."

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12. "No one watch the Dallas game from 2 years ago"
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Dont do it.

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"Definitely don't watch the 4th and 1 from DAL 40 after PI fiasco"


  

          

Delay for "room to punt"

Punt

Dallas TD

Game over

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15. "I'm all for shitting on Matty IceCream"
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But some shit just doesnt fall on him.

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16. "It's a testament to him how beautiful our hurry-up is"
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34. "As if playcalling and media relations are even a quarter of the job"
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Andy Reid is terrible at both. He's worked out ok.

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44. "Media relations? LOL"
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It's not what he said, it's that he is recapping HIS decision. The decision to got to lateral prevent was his alone.

And playcalling is zero percent of his job.

Hard to tell nowadays if your density is an act, but

deciding to punt on 4th and 1 isn't "playcalling"

choosing a last play point of emphasis isn't "playcalling"

That's called managing the flow of the game, and Caldwell sucks at it.

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56. "Those decisions aren't even five percent of what a coach does"
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Andy Reid has consistently fucked up those decisions more than any coach I remember seeing. He's still a great coach that gets great results, because such decisions aren't very important in the grand scheme of things.

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58. "Those desicions lose football games. Period."
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3. "Because you don't watch the lions"
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His inability to properly use timeouts and challenges challenges, make good 4th down decisions, make good kick/onside decisions, and generally manage the executive functions of game management are terrible.

If we didn't have a top 3-4 set of coordinators we would have lost 12 games

If you want examples let me know. I've got a on.

Should have fired him last year and promoted Teryl Austin.

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19. "You do realize Caldwell is one of the best coordinaters ever, right? (li..."
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000133015/article/jim-caldwell-breathed-new-life-into-baltimore-ravens-offense

So what is that about him not understanding "executive"
function?

The man is brilliant.

  

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21. "Then he should hit his turn signal and get back in his lane"
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Coordinators don't manage executive game functions like timeouts, clock, challenges, 4th down, and special teams

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26. "No, idiot, you said he was being saved by his coordinators"
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>Coordinators don't manage executive game functions like
>timeouts, clock, challenges, 4th down, and special teams

He's smarter than most coordinators ever

So how is he being saved by his coordinators?

Oh AND he's a Peyton Manning pick 6 away from a Super
Bowl

That was Caldwell's executive function problem too?

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28. " He isn't calling plays,and he wasn't when the OC sucked either"
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The imaginary brilliance he doesn't have wasn't helping when Joe Lombardi was calling plays. So it's not like the offense is good because of him. It ain't his offense and it never was.

It was linehans

Then it was Lombardi's

Now it's Colter's edit: Cooter's. Autocorrect fail

Three entirely different systems with the same head coach, and none of them are Caldwell's Baltimore system.

Sit down somewhere. Your ignorance is pathetic, and exceeded only by your willingness to shine a light on it.

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30. "LMAO!! That's EXACTLY what "executive function" is, imbecile"
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>Three entirely different systems with the same head coach, and
>none of them are Caldwell's Baltimore system.

He uses different offenses and adapts to the talent around him.
He doesn't force feed one system. He's actually intelligent
and adaptable.

And he KNOWS when to give up playcalling when he must, because
he's an intelligent man with elite executive decision making.

>Sit down somewhere. Your ignorance is pathetic, and exceeded
>only by your willingness to shine a light on it.

Cool, so Peyton Manning losing Caldwell that Super Bowl was
Caldwell's fault? LMAO

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32. "Ask will5198 what he thinks about Caldwell managing a game."
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He's a colts fan

I wonder what he will say...

Anyhoo...Feel free to tell more lies. I like running you out of posts. I noticed you don't want to talk about Tyros anymore lol

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33. "Timeout. "
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57. ""Anything but the facts, ma'am" (c) opposite of Dragnet"
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64. "He'll say Manning cost Caldwell a Super Bowl with the worst throw ever"
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That's what he'll say.

And then the Colts tanked for Luck, only to blame
Caldwell and fire him.

  

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66. "You shouldn't speak for someone smarter than you nm"
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70. "You're right, I'm of inferior "executive function" "
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73. "I knew we'd find common ground at some point nm"
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79. "Takes me all my noodles, given your advanced executive function"
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80. "Only you and Jim think it's "advanced" but that's ok"
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5. "I found that odd too, was listening to the LeBatard Show pod and that "
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Christine Lisi Sportscenter hit bumper kept reporting the coach of the Detroit Lions, who has made the playoffs two of three years, plus preparing to play a playoff game, was going to keep his job.

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22. "It's news because we can get blown out by 40 with no impact"
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The owner has totally cut the GMs nuts off

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6. "Bro, I read that and said, "Is he in the hospital or something?.."
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Is it a contract year? What's the problem?"

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8. "Funny, there's a Lions fan in this thread"
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Explaining exactly why Teryl Austin should probably be the HC already.


Every HC in the NFC North is somewhere between trash and mediocrity. McCarthy without Rodgers would have lost his job years ago.

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

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20. "Lol. Do people question McCarthy's INTELLIGENCE tho? "
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>Explaining exactly why Teryl Austin should probably be the HC
>already.
>
>
>Every HC in the NFC North is somewhere between trash and
>mediocrity. McCarthy without Rodgers would have lost his job
>years ago.

Of course they don't.




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40. "We do all the time"
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____________________

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42. "Cool, point to critques of his "executive function""
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I'm listening

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46. "RE: Cool, point to critques of his "executive function""
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>
>I'm listening
>

Look at their message board or better yet the Milwaukee Sentinel Journal. His red zone calls, his handling of the passing game concepts; refusal to run pick plays, the supposed ineffectiveness of his offense last couple years, the botched insides kicks and decisions to play conservative.
People were talking about his job earlier this year.

And he is kind of a complete idiot, like a reverse Andy Reid self-jinxer, watch him do it in this Giants game coming up.

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47. "Wasnt he on the sideline making a scene when lacy took himself out?"
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The following day Lacy went on season ending IR?

guys a buffoon.

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49. "RE: Wasnt he on the sideline making a scene when lacy took himself out?"
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>The following day Lacy went on season ending IR?
>
>guys a buffoon.

Honestly, I thought Zimmer was the divisions only really good coach. Then he dynamited himself this year

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9. "what a weird hit piece"
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he says "road loss" as if it's worse than a home loss. plus he's counting one of those road losses before it even happens. in fact, if he beats the hawks IN seattle (or even loses a close game) he'll be treated like a king.

edit: just remembered the success of this season was after losing Calvin Johnson. yeah, talking about his job security right now is weird.

  

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10. "Who told you this?"
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(or even loses a
>close game) he'll be treated like a king.
>

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13. ""king" is hyperbole"
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but so is every reaction to a playoff game so....

  

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14. "replace king with the actual word used"
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then tell me who told you that.

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17. "no one told me anything"
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i didn't put quotation marks around it.

edit: i did the 2nd time... but shut up.

  

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18. "Agreed. "
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23. "Fun with STATS"
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the last 4 weeks of the season the Lions scored 2 TDs in the 2nd half. One was a meaningless hail mary and the other was late go ahead touchdown against the NFC Powerhouse Chicago Bears.

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24. "In fairness, Theo riddick being out is killing us"
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25. "Well I can leave out facts to further my agenda too!!!!"
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WIth that said, 2 weeks in a row Zenner looks nice in the first half and then is essentially not alive in the 2nd....

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27. "Lmao - fair enough"
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I'm not sure what the deal is with the 2nd half rushing

But with Cornelius Lucas on deck at RT I don't expect much improvement

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29. "He's doing a very good job with a limited team."
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Look, our defense is awful. It's genuinely bad—no pass rush, subpar linebackers, and an injury-riddled secondary. Opposing QBs finished the season with a QB rating of 106.5, dead last in the league. The all-time career best is Rodgers at 104.1, meaning that over 16 games, this defense has turned opposing QBs into the composite best QB in NFL history. So Caldwell coaches to minimize the damage they can do by keeping them off the field as much as possible.

In average length (time) of drive, our defense is dead last in the league. We let teams march down the field with impunity. So to mitigate that, our offense tries to hold on to the ball as long as possible. The result? We're #1 in average length (time) of drive on offense. It's the funhouse-mirror image of the defense.

We have a gunslinging QB, skilled receivers, and absolutely no running game. That would normally profile as an offense that either scores quickly, or gives up the ball quickly. More passing = more incomplete passes = more clock stoppages = short drives = tired defense, and our defense is shitty even when well-rested.

So if we "played to our strengths" and just aired it out all day, it would mean frequently putting our shitty defense right back onto the field 90 seconds after giving up a 12-play, 7:00-minute drive. They'd get gassed, and they'd get wrecked. More wrecked, at least.

So Caldwell has us running this offense that maximizes time of possession in an effort to keep the other team's offense off the field. If he can keep the game close until the fourth, he can then leverage our best assets: a QB that can spin a game-winning drive out of nothing, an excellent punter, and an extremely clutch kicker.

I'd been frustrated by his offense for a couple years. We are obviously so much better in the hurry-up and no-huddle, as shown by our 8 fourth-quarter comeback wins this year. In that mode, when we move down the field seemingly at will, fans—myself included—wonder why we don't just play that way from the opening kickoff. ("Why don't they make the whole plane out of black box?")

But if we did, it would mean keeping a talent-deficient defense on the field for long drive after long drive with little chance to rest. It would mean forcing us to win 45-42. We're a good offense, but we're not peak-Brees/Payton-Saints-good. We fuck up too much—penalties, drops—to keep that up for 60 minutes. So Caldwell intentionally suppresses some of the high-octane potential of the offense in order to avoid selling out his defense. It's a good strategy.

Now, there's a difference between the top-level philosophy and in-game decision making—call it strategy vs. tactics. Caldwell is doing a great job strategically, but I won't fault any fan for questioning his tactics. He's definitely too conservative when it comes to challenging calls, and we seem to lose the battle of halftime-adjustments way, way more often than we win it. And yes, running Theo Riddick into the center's ass for 0 yards on every first down is boring. Chicks dig the long ball.

But overall, especially when you factor in how much his players like him, you have to give Caldwell his props. He's doing a really good job. It took me a while to realize it, but he is. He absolutely deserves another year.

My biggest question about him is this: can we win the Super Bowl with him? Can he outcoach and out-gameplan the Belichicks and Carrolls for 3 or 4 weeks in January? I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that he can.

But honestly, we're the Lions. You could GIVE us a Belichick or a Carroll and we'd still fuck it up. We're never going to win, so all that's left is to conduct yourselves with integrity. Caldwell deserves to stay, and yes, he deserves *not* to have to spend his playoff practice week commenting on his job security. It's bullshit, and race absolutely contributes to it. So does the generally low football IQ of fans and media, which keeps them from seeing the type of shit I broke down above. But c'mon, this is America. Michigan's a red state. Of course race matters.

In closing, I support Coach Caldwell, vacant stare and all.

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31. "Caldwell has nothing to do with the offense or defense."
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This offense looks and operates nothing like any offense ever

His only call is to keep us out of hurry-up, thus costing us points.

Don't try to spin that into a positive

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35. "RE: Caldwell has nothing to do with the offense or defense."
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Goddamn the hate is strong

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36. "You really think he doesn't influence the strategy on either side?"
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I don't know what to tell you. I know he's not calling plays, but his coordinators are not out there freestyling. Think of it like Madden. He sets the sliders for "conservative <--> aggressive." They call the plays within his framework.

I just broke down how the offensive playcalling, by necessity, complements (or at least alleviates) the defense's shortcomings. You think it's a coincidence? Even if the ONLY thing Caldwell does is to ensure that Cooter is taking Austin into consideration, that's still significant.

Again, I agree that his in-game tactics—clock management, challenges, timeouts—leave a lot of room for improvement. But he's getting the most he can out of a flawed roster. I don't buy this idea that Austin and Cooter are some sort of shadow government working together where Caldwell can't see them. He's driving the bus, and the bus is in the playoffs. It's leaking oil, the tires are flat, and it's going to explode quite spectacularly on Saturday night, but he got it there.

EDIT

>This offense looks and operates nothing like any offense ever

That's my point! It's not a chicken-or-egg discussion—we know exactly what comes first. Our defense is AWFUL. So he calls for an offense that mitigates it as much as possible. Having the longest average drive time on both offense and defense is so fucking strange, and our games have a real weird flow because of it.

But if we played hurry-up all the time, we'd have to execute it *perfectly*. We'd have to have 8 or 9 scoring drives per game, because that's exactly what our defense would be giving up. And you and I both know the Lions aren't in the business of executing perfectly.

We're actually middle of the pack in scoring defense, in terms of points per game. That's Caldwell. Our per-drive stats show a defense that is abjectly terrible, but because of the offensive gameplan, we don't actually give up that many points. We play keep-away, and then rely on a QB with ice-water in his veins to pull it out in the 4th. If you look at all of our pieces, I think that's the optimal strategy.

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38. "Nothing to do w defense, but Hail Mary coverage is his fault"
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Can't be both

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39. "Damn. "
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43. "He spoke that admission with his own mouth. So yeah. It is."
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41. "That was an editing error : ..."nothing like any CALDWELL offense ever" ..."
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And they aren't a shadow, they are just the ones running X's and O's

Every OC he has had has done the same thing before, during, and after their time spent in Detroit. Their offenses have been our offense and when they leave our offense goes with it.

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45. "So black playoff coaches get chided for having coordinators...I'd done"
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>And they aren't a shadow, they are just the ones running X's
>and O's
>
>Every OC he has had has done the same thing before, during,
>and after their time spent in Detroit. Their offenses have
>been our offense and when they leave our offense goes with
>it.

Holy shit


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50. "If you're so sure that Caldwell has nothing to do with the offense... "
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...then consider good 'ol Jim-Bob's position for a moment.

He's got a little juice, right? He's starting to get mentioned as a possible HC candidate. He's been getting buzz since last year's midseason turnaround. Announcers love him. (Hey Jeem, did you know he's close with Peyton Manning?) He'll probably get an interview or two this offseason.

Wouldn't it be in his best interest to call plays that make him look like a genius? If we were scoring 35+ a game, he'd be a shoo-in for the big chair somewhere.

But we'd be sitting at home this weekend.

With a defense as bad as ours, you can't hope to outscore anyone, let alone everyone.

29th in yards per play
29th in turnovers forced
27th in net yards per pass play
25th in % of drives ending in points
30th in sacks per pass play
31st in % of TDs per passing play
32nd in opposing passer rating
Tied for 5th worst in rushing yards per attempt

Look at those numbers. That is a terrible defense. But in terms of total points allowed, we're actually the 13th *best* defense. How can that be? How can a defense that's so bad at everything be giving up so few points?

It's because the offense does everything they can to stretch out drives, keeping the defense off the field.

Again, look at those numbers. They're almost all per-play/per-drive numbers. If you gave the opposition another 20 plays per game to take advantage of it, we'd be the worst scoring defense in the league. And our offense could not possibly keep up the pace. So the overall philosophy—Caldwell's philosophy—is what's keeping us in games.

Admittedly, the margins are razor thin—if Stafford wasn't so damn good in the two-minute drill, we'd be sitting on something like 4 wins. But Caldwell's playing the hand he's been dealt about as well as he can, in terms of strategy. If we aired it out the way you want us to (and the way Cooter almost certainly wants us to), we'd be rubbing shoulders with the Bears this year. Give the man his credit.

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51. "His only input is apparently to pump the brakes on it"
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Anything that results in the offense scoring less is not good strategy, regardless of what happens with TOP

There is probably not an argument to sway me from that

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53. "Fair enough. We just see it differently."
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Aesthetically speaking, 45-42 is almost always more fun than 24-20. But W beats L every time. To pull some numbers completely out of my ass, I don't think we could increase our own points scored by 10% without seeing a 25% increase in points allowed. The fewer chances the other team gets to drive on our D, the better off we are.

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54. "According to pro football reference"
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We get offensive scores on 41.0% of our drives

Opponents get them at 39.4%

That is the strongest argument possible for turning the offense loose for 4 quarters

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60. "That's a good fact, and I'll have to digest it."
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Hate to come at a quantitative stat with a qualitative response, but my gut is telling me that the defense would be giving up scores on a higher percentage of drives if the offense wasn't giving them so much time to regroup. They spend more time off the field between drives than any other defense in the league, which has to help. And I'd like to see the breakdown of TDs vs FGs within those numbers.

I don't know, my eyes tell me that our defense can't stop anyone. We play the rarely employed bend-and-then-break defense. No slight on Austin, who I really like, but we just don't have the horses.

Our 3 best defenders (coincidentally one on each level, Ansah, Levy, and Slay) have been dealing with injuries all year. We had a stretch where we literally didn't have enough LBs on the roster, and had DEs playing out of position, needing to be—again, literally—shown where to stand on the field by more veteran players.

So I see an offense that's pretty good, and can do an occasional imitation of great, whenever they manage to get out of their own way with drops and penalties.

But I also see a defense that can't really stop anyone of quality, even on their best days.

The coaches see what we can do in the 2-minute drill. I simply can't believe that they'd be so stubborn or dumb as to ignore it. So to me, I still believe that the grind-it-out pace of the offense is a deliberate measure to stop the defense from putting us in a hole we can't dig out of.

Anyway, to the original point of "Should Caldwell *not* being fired actually be news?", I still agree with OE. When you look at the team he's coaching, and consider their strengths and limitations, I think he's done a good job. CERTAINLY a good enough job to have earned a week off from speculation about his future as he preps for a Wild Card game.

That said, I don't believe he's a great head coach. I would still bet money that he leaves Detroit without a single playoff win under his belt. Some of that is him, and his weaknesses as an in-game tactician, and some of it is just the inherent Lions-ness of it all. You'll never go broke betting against us.

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65. "RE: That's a good fact, and I'll have to digest it."
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>Hate to come at a quantitative stat with a qualitative
>response, but my gut is telling me that the defense would be
>giving up scores on a higher percentage of drives if the
>offense wasn't giving them so much time to regroup. They spend
>more time off the field between drives than any other defense
>in the league, which has to help. And I'd like to see the
>breakdown of TDs vs FGs within those numbers.

1) our offensive percentages would also go up
2) maybe, maybe not. The way QBs are completing passes seems to indicate it doesn't do that much to help. It seems u likely that these historically bad opp QB numbers could get that much worse.

>I don't know, my eyes tell me that our defense can't stop
>anyone. We play the rarely employed bend-and-then-break
>defense. No slight on Austin, who I really like, but we just
>don't have the horses.

Scoring on less than 40% of drives against our MASH unit is powerfully complementary to Austin imo

>Our 3 best defenders (coincidentally one on each level, Ansah,
>Levy, and Slay) have been dealing with injuries all year. We
>had a stretch where we literally didn't have enough LBs on the
>roster, and had DEs playing out of position, needing to
>be—again, literally—shown where to stand on the field by
>more veteran players.

If Taylor, Hyder, and Ansah can go I'm OK at that position. And with the return of Levy AND Josh Bynes (who I really really like) I think our LB group is actually in good shape.

>The coaches see what we can do in the 2-minute drill. I simply
>can't believe that they'd be so stubborn or dumb as to ignore
>it. So to me, I still believe that the grind-it-out pace of
>the offense is a deliberate measure to stop the defense from
>putting us in a hole we can't dig out of.

Tropisms are powerful. Time of possession is honestly a near-worthless stat and people still think it means something. As long as you are scoring...it doesn't. Keeping the defense on the sideline is not a win. Scoring is.

>Anyway, to the original point of "Should Caldwell *not* being
>fired actually be news?", I still agree with OE. When you look
>at the team he's coaching, and consider their strengths and
>limitations, I think he's done a good job. CERTAINLY a good
>enough job to have earned a week off from speculation about
>his future as he preps for a Wild Card game.

The announcement is in regards to next year. He just got 8 months of speculation off for something he hasn't earned. Bobby Ross and Wayne Contest have both done 2 in 3. This isn't a monumental accomplishment for a coach.

>That said, I don't believe he's a great head coach. I would
>still bet money that he leaves Detroit without a single
>playoff win under his belt. Some of that is him, and his
>weaknesses as an in-game tactician, and some of it is just the
>inherent Lions-ness of it all. You'll never go broke betting
>against us.

I'd get in on that bet.

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72. "Another fact: Detroit is in the playoffs. "
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Apparently at the expense of Caldwell, right?

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37. "LMAO! Gotta love it. "
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>This offense looks and operates nothing like any offense
>ever
>
>His only call is to keep us out of hurry-up, thus costing us
>points.
>
>Don't try to spin that into a positive


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86. "pretty much"
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48. "That bothered me too "
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like... why is this a thing?

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52. "Haven't watched many Lions games lately eh?"
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55. "Was there really a chance he'd get fired before a playoff game?"
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The timing was weird

  

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61. "No...They are saying he's already back for 2017"
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Regardless of what happens saturday. That's the problem.

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63. "Never want to coach with a sense of urgency in a playoff game"
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punt city comin Saturday

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67. "How close to the end zone do you think the closest one will be?"
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Weather is supposed to be crappy, I could see a punt from the SEA 35

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59. "This is a very enlightening post."
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62. "Lions fans on this subject are like Skins fans on RG3"
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People who actually watched the Skins could easily tell you that he was frail, sucked, and was by all local accounts a shitty teammate. But out of towners who needed something to carry their pitchforks over rallied around RG3 as some victim. Dude was an asshole loser.

I'm guessing the actual Lions fans here know what they're talking about. Didn't this team lose out with like 3 or 4 games left?

  

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68. "Lost their last 3 games....all against actual teams"
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Scored 13 (7 fake) second half points.

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71. "And still in the playoffs. Fuck you expect?"
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74. "I dont get it. "
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69. "I wouldn't debate the Lions not finishing well, or not being frustrating"
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I'm simply saying I agree with the OG post, in that having a coach keeping his job, going into a playoff game, the second playoffs in his first three seasons with a franchise that doesn't have a history of much success, with a team nobody thought was going to make the playoffs this year anyway, being ESPN update-alert news...is odd.

I'm not sure I've seen that before.

I would also not be surprised if he gets canned should they lose this weekend anyway, despite this "dreaded vote of confidence".

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75. "OE, bshelly, cgonz and Ceej are all right"
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Caldwell is like Andy Reid, in that he's a good coach with a set of coaching flaws (the timeouts, nonsensical situational risk-aversion, lack of preparation for game-swinging plays like onsides kick coverage -- *Sean Payton wink* -- and prevent defense) that probably will never go away. and can cost his teams postseason games.

but the backlash against him is largely racist, since comparably accomplished white coaches are not judged as harshly by the media. he's a very good offensive mind who doesn't get proper credit -- he's seen as a "nice guy" and "players coach", which is codetalk for "docile" and "not a tactician". funny, Pete Carroll gets annual respect for being one of the bigger player coaches ever. how many plays does John Harbaugh call, a man who has never been an OC/DC in his life?

and disregarding Peyton Manning, it's not a coincidence Joe Flacco and Matthew Stafford have had their best years under Caldwell. deferring all credit to the coordinators is like saying Josh McDaniels and Matt Patricia are the only reasons the Patriots win.

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76. "Great points."
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The love Jim Bob Cooter gets is astounding especially for a sex offender. Basically the definition of white privilege cuz no black coach would be able to coach without that coming up every quarter, yet you will never hear it come up during a game. Just how much people like his name and the transformation he did to Stafford and the offense....he kinda didnt tho.

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78. "Holy fuck. I didnt realize that was him. Jesus Christ smh"
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77. "I think we disagree on stafford's best season (2011 imo)"
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But regardless, I never thought he was bad for Stafford. It's obvious that he has incorporated Caldwell's approach and that's a positive.

Even tho the first half of last season happened on his watch. If he gets some of Jim Bob's credit he deserves some of JoeLo's scorn, and I don't actually think he deserves either. Why he hired Lombardi in the first place to run NO's playbook with the anti-Brees is a different matter.





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81. "without Calvin, tho."
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Lombardi didnt seem like a bad idea at first, as you would think he could call the same games Cooter is calling now.

I remember when Caldwell interviewed,he spent a lot of time breaking down Stafford's mechanics and how he could tweak him into a better QB. to think he hasn't been highly involved seems disingenuous.

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83. "^^^^WILL BURNING SCALPS!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA"
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>Lombardi didnt seem like a bad idea at first, as you would
>think he could call the same games Cooter is calling now.
>
>I remember when Caldwell interviewed,he spent a lot of time
>breaking down Stafford's mechanics and how he could tweak him
>into a better QB. to think he hasn't been highly involved
>seems disingenuous.

GODDAMN!!!!!!

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85. "Fair"
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>Lombardi didnt seem like a bad idea at first, as you would
>think he could call the same games Cooter is calling now.

It was really weird. Like he was just calling plays at random. No setups or adjustments to adjustments, just eyes closed and point.

>I remember when Caldwell interviewed,he spent a lot of time
>breaking down Stafford's mechanics and how he could tweak him
>into a better QB. to think he hasn't been highly involved
>seems disingenuous.

That is true. Most of why he got the job actually. The fact that Lombardi's playcalling was stupid probably obscured Stafford's personal development under Caldwell.

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87. "not just w/o Calvin look at all the game the Lions trailed in the 4th qt..."
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In the past Stafford made plays that put up stats. This season he made plays that won tight games & helped him team get to the playoffs. He's a better QB today that he's been at any point in his career.
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82. "^^^GODDAMN!!!! LOCK, ARCHIVE, AND FONDLE O_E'S BALLS. "
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>Caldwell is like Andy Reid, in that he's a good coach with a
>set of coaching flaws (the timeouts, nonsensical situational
>risk-aversion, lack of preparation for game-swinging plays
>like onsides kick coverage -- *Sean Payton wink* -- and
>prevent defense) that probably will never go away. and can
>cost his teams postseason games.
>
>but the backlash against him is largely racist, since
>comparably accomplished white coaches are not judged as
>harshly by the media. he's a very good offensive mind who
>doesn't get proper credit -- he's seen as a "nice guy" and
>"players coach", which is codetalk for "docile" and "not a
>tactician". funny, Pete Carroll gets annual respect for being
>one of the bigger player coaches ever. how many plays does
>John Harbaugh call, a man who has never been an OC/DC in his
>life?
>
>and disregarding Peyton Manning, it's not a coincidence Joe
>Flacco and Matthew Stafford have had their best years under
>Caldwell. deferring all credit to the coordinators is like
>saying Josh McDaniels and Matt Patricia are the only reasons
>the Patriots win.

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84. "but a black person can't coach offense. "
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all they can do is yell and scream and motivate the other savages to hit hard

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88. "*stands up, golf claps*"
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It's definitely a bit of cism the way folx are talking about Caldwell. I also think it's cism when folx try to say Zeke is the MVP candidate over Dak Prescott. Oh really, that wasn't the case when it was Marshall Faulk and Kurt Warner. If a white QB had done what Dak has done he'd be the CLEAR MVP candidate on the team & a clear top 3 MVP candidate in the league. No disrespect to Zeke but McFadden went for +1000 yards and Murray went +1100 and +1800 b2b.
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90. "Thing is Zeke's #s are far and away better than any other RB's."
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91. "This is 100% correct. Bonus points for not using the word "imbecile""
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106. "the irony "
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deferring all credit to the coordinators is like
>saying Josh McDaniels and Matt Patricia are the only reasons
>the Patriots win.

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89. "Rumor has it, Caldwell could still be fired"
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If they lose their playoff game and the GM really likes McDaniels.

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92. "Self-fulfilling circus. Awesome."
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93. "Bwahahahahaha. "
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99. "While Chuck Pagano gets another year"
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95. "Josh McDaniels is exactly who the Lions deserve"
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108. "i was wrong. patricia is a far more appropriate head coach."
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rocket science!! pew pew!

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97. "They should go for it. "
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100. "of course he could-the fact that they even gave him a vote of confidence"
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and that him keeping his job is a news story is emblematic of that.

Now the Colts keeping Chuck Pagano around to waste another year of Andrew Luck's career...that should be front-page faux-outrage news.


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96. "Bradshaws not callin him a cheerleader"
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right?

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from the press conference.

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101. "remember... OE gave caldwell 100% credit for ravens super bowl"
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because "offensive mastermind"

well... 6 pts.

chip kelly scored 4x as many pts last week lol.

he has no control over the offense? is he a def guru now?

not saying he should be fired but... "what would ya say ya do around here??" -office space




  

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103. "LOL...fuck are you even talking about?"
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>because "offensive mastermind

I didn't say that; everyone else did.

>well... 6 pts.
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>chip kelly scored 4x as many pts last week lol.

Lulz
What does that even mean?

Did the 49ers make the playoffs?

>he has no control over the offense? is he a def guru now?

Huh?

>not saying he should be fired but... "what would ya say ya do
>around here??" -office space

His team got fucked up by a better team.

Only happens to shitty coaches, right?

Lulz

  

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102. "That column made my head hurt. Term limits for sports writers?"
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To me Caldwell has done some iffy things but have his teams underachieved? I will let Lions fans answer but personally I do not see that.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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104. "Y'all messing with CBD oil? It's been good for sleep. Put it in your tea..."
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Hi.

  

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105. "I will give it a shot. "
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I usually do chamomile tea and melatonin.

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107. "gonna need to try that. anxiety got me."
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"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

  

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109. "I got you. Do CBD + Valerian root tonic. Valerian is great for anxiety. "
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I wouldn't do them at the same time. Just have a cup of tea
at night. First half of the cup to CBD or Valerian. Then add
hot water. Add Valerian.

  

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111. "weird, CBD acts like a stimulant to me. i like it in the mornings"
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113. "U right + it's anti-anxiety. "
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Anxiety fucks up focus and sleep

So it is a stimulant, but if you can't sleep because you're
anxious, it can help

Combine it with Valerian and your ass be knocked out

  

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112. "I ordered one of those weighted blankets"
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will let you know if has any effect

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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110. "I thought of you when Drew Magary compared Belicheat to Caldwell"
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