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"Lebron's greatest teammate is now Kyrie Irving."


          

Strolling through the Netherlands and became abundantly apparent that Ky Ky the gawd had been bifrost walking in Asgaard, too:

http://imgur.com/a/52DkE

I walked a 10 mile radius and couldn't find a D. Wade one - but I looked.

No slight to Wade - or Bosh - or Ilgauskas - or Larry Hughes - or Mo Williams,
but Kyrie Irving is Lebron's greatest teammate - and that will only become even more abundantly clear moving forward.

With as many great moments as Wade & James had during the Miami Glory Years - there was no moment as vibrant, joyous, and symbolic as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDTE1ODn8Q8

During their 4 years as a tandem, Wade never came up as big as Kyrie Irving did in the 2016 Finals.

If you think of where Lebron and Kyrie were during their first few months together -and where they are now - their synergy has developed into something quite special - as Bron has created an environment that has taught, inspired, trusted, and encouraged Irving's continued ascent - and Kyrie has delivered with the goods, making Bron's move back to Cleveland look even smarter than it already was (and it sure was a smart move to begin with). They complement each other more effectively than the Wade/James combo - and they are starting to have as much (if not more) fun than James and Wade at their peak.

It is my hope that this fact doest upset anyone, but in the event that #HurtLocker hot-takes flood the thread - know that we're here for you, and everything's going to be ok.


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Greatest player who happens to also be a (former) teammate . . .
Oct 21st 2016
1
Oh no doubt - Wade will go down as the better *overall* player
Oct 21st 2016
3
RE: Oh no doubt - Wade will go down as the better *overall* player
Oct 21st 2016
6
RE: Oh no doubt - Wade will go down as the better *overall* player
Oct 21st 2016
26
He earned that closer rep by winning Finals MVP lol
Oct 21st 2016
10
right - when he *wasn't* a teammate of Lebron James
Oct 21st 2016
24
Thus the phrase "for all the talk of" must be intentionally disingenuous...
Oct 21st 2016
35
lol right?
Oct 21st 2016
34
lolz
Oct 24th 2016
54
so basically your argument is kyrie is better suited to being a sidekick
Oct 21st 2016
39
yeah, that's kinda what i got from it too.
Oct 22nd 2016
44
RE: so basically your argument is kyrie is better suited to being a side...
Oct 24th 2016
52
that's been my argument...yet you still mad about
Oct 24th 2016
53
Wade was also better *while* playing with Bron
Nov 06th 2016
86
i guess this where i say "wade ain't nobody"
Oct 21st 2016
7
      FOH, he's arguably top 5 two guard of all time
Oct 21st 2016
8
      that's great...we know that after 13 years. see you in 8 years.
Oct 21st 2016
9
           best player on a champion in year 3
Oct 21st 2016
11
                like i said, he ain't done shit kyrie can't match or surpass
Oct 21st 2016
12
                     Kyrie gotta be the best player on a champion to even begin this conversa...
Oct 21st 2016
14
                          no, he don't. he gotta have better stats and 3 or more titles
Oct 21st 2016
16
                               So just ignore Wade's best achievement? LOL
Oct 21st 2016
17
                                    no, just measure CAREERS
Oct 21st 2016
18
                                         RE: no, just measure CAREERS
Oct 21st 2016
19
                                         "probably"...and i'm saying it LIKELY will be
Oct 21st 2016
20
                                              RE: "probably"...and i'm saying it LIKELY will be
Oct 21st 2016
23
                                                   dame lillard now, huh...cool. we can go there AGAIN this year.
Oct 21st 2016
28
                                                        The two are comparable, we'll probably be going there for awhile
Oct 21st 2016
30
                                                             dion should be out the fuckin league and austin rivers better
Oct 21st 2016
33
                                                                  No, he shouldn't. You're exaggerating for effect
Oct 22nd 2016
42
                                                                       cool. thanks for the ammo. you'll lose that, too.
Oct 22nd 2016
43
                                                                            Lose that too? Nobody got more epic Ls than you though
Oct 22nd 2016
45
                                                                                 and no one has bigger Ws
Oct 25th 2016
66
                                         http://english.cri.cn/mmsource/images/2010/02/15/16690215wade1.jpg
Oct 21st 2016
38
      this is where i say "kyrie a sidekick"
Oct 21st 2016
13
      as long as he a champion, too, Fan of Washed Niggas
Oct 21st 2016
15
           So like Rip Hamilton with fewer playoff runs?
Oct 21st 2016
21
           sure, if he fucking dies in 2 years
Oct 21st 2016
22
                I wish i could celebrate kyrie w/o celebrating his team
Oct 21st 2016
31
           So not as good as Wade, Fan of Sidekick Help Niggas
Oct 21st 2016
36
      RE: i guess this where i say "wade ain't nobody"
Oct 21st 2016
25
           health is the only issue. i ain't worried about talent at all.
Oct 21st 2016
29
Nah man, Wade better by any measure
Oct 21st 2016
2
Of course he is lol. But this is a regularly scheduled event
Oct 21st 2016
32
      So sorry that this #FactAttack bothered you so much.
Oct 22nd 2016
46
Have you apologized to Derrick Rose yet?
Oct 21st 2016
4
For stating facts?
Oct 21st 2016
27
      For only presenting one side of the story before all the facts were out
Oct 22nd 2016
47
they don't wanna admit it's true. but it's true.
Oct 21st 2016
5
Wade came up as big in the 2011 Finals but #Klang failed him.
Oct 21st 2016
37
You came up in these posts since 2011 sad, angry, and hurt.
Oct 22nd 2016
40
Lolz, I was partying in 2011. You weren't up in these posts til 2012 tho
Oct 22nd 2016
48
not big enough...and he sucked ass in game 6
Oct 22nd 2016
41
      Kyrie was riding shotgun to Kang, Wade was getting sabotaged by Klang
Oct 22nd 2016
49
2011 Wade is smh @ this post as if that Finals L was on him
Oct 22nd 2016
50
I won't lie, every time I see that picture of Kyrie in public places
Oct 23rd 2016
51
Prisoner of the moment ass niggas
Oct 24th 2016
55
*taking notes* "3 straight years as team's best player. no playoffs."
Oct 24th 2016
56
In the East, no less lol...He's awesome but let's chill with this for no...
Oct 24th 2016
ain't no chill shit...how good he gotta be exactly?
Oct 24th 2016
58
      Yeah that's just not true at all.
Oct 25th 2016
60
      no, kobe had to get six rings and he ain't do it. too bad.
Oct 25th 2016
65
           lol pretty sure it started as he had to get one w.o shaq.
Oct 25th 2016
67
                In terms of OKS it went:
Oct 25th 2016
68
                     lol i remember this
Oct 25th 2016
71
                     oh, you talmbout HATERS...i'm talmbout actual goalpost-moving
Oct 25th 2016
72
                          Lmao this guy is Trump status with the truth
Oct 25th 2016
75
                          That....sounds like haters, but ok.
Oct 26th 2016
79
                          funniest thing about this
Nov 01st 2016
85
      Better than Wade...I think he can surpass Wade, but he sure hasn't yet.
Oct 25th 2016
61
In the East, no less lol...He's awesome but let's chill with this for no...
Oct 24th 2016
57
y'all still are showcasing suspect reading comprehension levels
Oct 24th 2016
59
      But Wade helped LeBron win two rings...and then there's 2011.
Oct 25th 2016
62
      that he did - Kyrie helped Bron get his third - and more to come...
Oct 25th 2016
69
      you're conflating miscomprehension and mockery.
Oct 25th 2016
63
           lulz
Oct 25th 2016
64
           exactly..lol
Oct 25th 2016
70
           nah - people are bringing up Wade performances
Oct 25th 2016
73
                they hurt, dogg. and they scared because we haven't seen ky's best
Oct 25th 2016
74
Boy, young Ky the god and Kang couldn't have gotten off to a better star...
Oct 26th 2016
76
and that was a mediocre shooting night from the Cavs overall.
Oct 26th 2016
77
      yea they didn't shoot the ball well last night, but played so cohesive.
Oct 26th 2016
78
Irving could become Lebron's first teammate to outscore him (ESPN)
Nov 01st 2016
80
RE: Irving could become Lebron's first teammate to outscore him (ESPN)
Nov 01st 2016
82
      RE: Irving could become Lebron's first teammate to outscore him (ESPN)
Nov 01st 2016
83
Kyrie isn't a hall of famer....yet....
Nov 01st 2016
81
RE: Kyrie isn't a hall of famer....yet....
Nov 01st 2016
84
Lebron's son shoots around/hangs w/ Ky; wears his shoes
Nov 22nd 2016
87
you stalking bron's kids now too?
Nov 22nd 2016
88
lol jesus christ
Nov 22nd 2016
89
      lol
Nov 22nd 2016
90
Irving developing into a closer for Cavs (per ESPN)
Nov 28th 2016
91
anyone vexed?
Dec 25th 2016
92
The prophecy of the Young Legend has been fulfilled.
Dec 26th 2016
93
Ohhhhh fascinating. First Take talking about this very subject
Dec 26th 2016
94
damn...things done changed.
Dec 26th 2016
95
ESPN First Take: Better Bron teammate? Ky or Wade (vid)
Dec 28th 2016
96
*tosses you kleenex and Jergen's & runs away*
Dec 28th 2016
97
Kyrie's performance against Boston
Dec 31st 2016
98
Chicago fans abandoning D. Wade w/ alacrity
Apr 03rd 2017
99
So? Wade is 34. His legacy is cemented
Apr 03rd 2017
100
I hate D-Wade and agree.
Apr 03rd 2017
101
like how you abandoned your Chicago fandom when MJ left?
Apr 05th 2017
102
Sure is nice to have a big-game, volume scorer to ride w/
Apr 23rd 2017
103
Ky gon' Ky
May 24th 2017
104
Ky had the biggest playoff performance of any Bron teammate
May 24th 2017
105
lol, I was thinking of this post after last night's game, forgot to up i...
May 24th 2017
106
It was incredible to behold.
May 24th 2017
107
Wade had 41 & 10 in a game 6 closeout of the Pacers in 2012.
May 24th 2017
108
      facts dont live here no mo
May 24th 2017
109
      one of his few great playoff games as Bron's sidekick
May 24th 2017
111
           he had more in 2011 when Bron was his sidekick
May 24th 2017
114
                Bron outplayed Wade in every single playoff series for 4 years
May 24th 2017
115
                     Bron has outplayed Kyrie in every single playoff series for 3 years
May 25th 2017
116
                     Well that's a lie. Wade was better against BOS.
Jun 13th 2017
144
if they win it all again this year, i dont see how this statement is fal...
May 24th 2017
110
anyone can make the statement after it's already established
May 24th 2017
112
      Lebron still behind Kareem and MJ and always will be.
May 24th 2017
113
Wade and Bosh
May 26th 2017
117
Let's keep this on page 1.
Jun 04th 2017
118
Bron and prime Wade ain't getting ran off the court like this
Jun 05th 2017
119
Lmao...yes they would.
Jun 05th 2017
120
      FOH. D-Wade is a lot of things. He ain't no bitchass chucker.
Jun 05th 2017
122
      prime Wade would D up Curry
Jun 05th 2017
123
      And who d's klay....Chalmers???? Good luck with that
Jun 05th 2017
125
      Klay's streaky you take your chances with him
Jun 05th 2017
127
           Like I said...good luck with that.
Jun 05th 2017
131
      And btw, when exactly was prime wade?
Jun 05th 2017
126
           he peaked around 2008-10, top 5 MVP voting, 1st team all-nba, all-defens...
Jun 05th 2017
128
                So your prime Wade quip don't even belong in this post.
Jun 05th 2017
130
                     yeah it does genius, the point is Lebron and prime Kyrie ARE getting ran...
Jun 05th 2017
132
                          Right bc Chalmers can guard klay
Jun 05th 2017
133
                               RE: Right bc Chalmers can guard klay
Jun 05th 2017
134
      not even would... they DID. in 2014, by the Spurs.
Jun 05th 2017
135
The series isn't over yet.
Jun 05th 2017
121
neither is Kyrie lol...
Jun 05th 2017
124
      Correct. n/m
Jun 05th 2017
129
Are we REALLY debating Wade vs Kyrie?
Jun 06th 2017
136
RE: Are we REALLY debating Wade vs Kyrie?
Jun 06th 2017
137
Bomani made a point about Ky basically being a role player
Jun 06th 2017
138
Yes. Let's.
Jun 12th 2017
140
damn - y'all partied waaay too soon (again)
Jun 12th 2017
139
RE: damn - y'all partied waaay too soon (again)
Jun 12th 2017
141
just gonna leave this here: LeBron James is the real (Finals) MVP
Jun 12th 2017
142
      LeBron James is gonna be the logo of the future.
Jun 12th 2017
143
      Damn....Those stats r nuts....
Jun 13th 2017
146
      ^
Jun 13th 2017
149
Kyrie was really bad in that 4th quarter
Jun 13th 2017
145
RE: Kyrie was really bad in that 4th quarter
Jun 13th 2017
147
Improve his all-around game.... lol. That's it bro. There's nothing else...
Jun 13th 2017
148
      Basically. Kyrie is a defensive liability and mediocre passer
Jun 13th 2017
150
FRAUD!
Jun 13th 2017
151
didn't see this plot twist coming...smh.
Aug 01st 2017
152
regardless of the plot twist - what they accomplished is timeless
Aug 01st 2017
153
      damn, you swallowed?
Aug 01st 2017
154
      harsh.
Aug 01st 2017
156
      but fair.
Aug 01st 2017
157
           true
Aug 01st 2017
158
      lmfaooooooo
Aug 01st 2017
159
      ^ aims at a target like a rifle not a shotgun....^
Aug 01st 2017
162
      before ya kiss 'em use Colgate (c) Dr Dre
Aug 01st 2017
164
      cmon dallas better
Aug 01st 2017
155
      Wade=three rings, two with Bron. Finals MVP, balled out in Game 7
Aug 01st 2017
165
Lebron's most disloyal teammate is now Kyrie Irving.
Aug 01st 2017
160
lolz
Aug 01st 2017
161
RE: Lebron's most disloyal teammate is now Kyrie Irving.
Aug 01st 2017
163
Vex on the coach like
Sep 27th 2017
166
Update: It's AD
Nov 20th 2019
167
Gotta win a ring, but I FEEL U (pause)
Nov 20th 2019
168
LeBron never got off to this kind of start with Wade or Kyrie
Dec 10th 2019
169
If he fails to win a Ring this year it's gonna get ugly.
Dec 10th 2019
170
      You mean if Anthony Davis doesn't win a ring.
Dec 10th 2019
171
      lol for who? Pelinka?
Dec 10th 2019
172
           They called 'Bron washed, V. They gotta eat that now.
Dec 10th 2019
173
                yea cats have been ready to party for almost 5 years now
Dec 10th 2019
174
                Had an older coworker tell me Bron is a ball hog.
Dec 10th 2019
175
                last season was the closest he's been to washed
Dec 12th 2019
176

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1. "Greatest player who happens to also be a (former) teammate . . ."
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Or greatest at BEING one of Bron's teammates?

Because if it's the first one, no. That's still Wade. I fully expect Kyrie to cement himself as the second by the time Bron's career is over, though.

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3. "Oh no doubt - Wade will go down as the better *overall* player"
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>Or greatest at BEING one of Bron's teammates?
>
>Because if it's the first one, no. That's still Wade. I fully
>expect Kyrie to cement himself as the second by the time
>Bron's career is over, though.

yea - I don't know if Kyrie will ever eclipse Wade in terms of individual accomplishments/achievements. Clearly Wade is the better player *overall* - but I'm talking about who is the better *teammate* - who complements James better with style of play/dynamic. Wade and James were dazzling to watch - but they never *really* melded together like you thought they would.

For all the talk of Wade being a great closer - he never really closed any big games for those Miami teams (go ahead and find examples of him closing big games/being clutch/doing anything similar to what Kyrie did in the Finals by scoring 41 when they had to have it -then hitting *the* shot over Steph)

Wade is a player who needs to dominate the ball and get into a continual rhythm over the course of the game. Irving is more of a lightning bolt. He can step it at any point in the game and catch fire - mainly because he's a much better shooter and technical offensive player than Wade - and has just as much confidence and take-over assassin mentality as Wade. Irving isn't the play-maker that Wade is - isn't the two-way player that Wade is - and isn't the better player from an individual standpoint.

But he fits James better - plays off of him better - and provides a more timely/varied punch to complement James than Wade did.

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6. "RE: Oh no doubt - Wade will go down as the better *overall* player"
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>>Or greatest at BEING one of Bron's teammates?
>>
>>Because if it's the first one, no. That's still Wade. I
>fully
>>expect Kyrie to cement himself as the second by the time
>>Bron's career is over, though.
>
>yea - I don't know if Kyrie will ever eclipse Wade in terms of
>individual accomplishments/achievements. Clearly Wade is the
>better player *overall* - but I'm talking about who is the
>better *teammate* - who complements James better with style of
>play/dynamic. Wade and James were dazzling to watch - but
>they never *really* melded together like you thought they
>would.

Because they're both better with the ball in their hands, and neither is much of a spot up shooter. On the defensive end is another story though.

>For all the talk of Wade being a great closer - he never
>really closed any big games for those Miami teams (go ahead
>and find examples of him closing big games/being clutch/doing
>anything similar to what Kyrie did in the Finals by scoring 41
>when they had to have it -then hitting *the* shot over Steph)

Because Lebron had the ball in his hands, and Wade isn't a spot up shooter.

>Wade is a player who needs to dominate the ball and get into a
>continual rhythm over the course of the game. Irving is more
>of a lightning bolt. He can step it at any point in the game
>and catch fire - mainly because he's a much better shooter and
>technical offensive player than Wade - and has just as much
>confidence and take-over assassin mentality as Wade. Irving
>isn't the play-maker that Wade is - isn't the two-way player
>that Wade is - and isn't the better player from an individual
>standpoint.


Agreed.

>But he fits James better - plays off of him better - and
>provides a more timely/varied punch to complement James than
>Wade did.

Offensively, yeah. We need to see a full season of them dominating though. Year 1 was year 1...not much different than year 1 in Miami. Last year's finish was great, but Kyrie was hurt for a lot of the season and took time to get into his groove.

We need a year of healthy Kyrie and still prime Lebron, to surpass peak Lebron and Wade who were both in their primes. I agree though, on the offensive end their skill sets compliment each other better than Lebron and Wade.

  

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Vex_id
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26. "RE: Oh no doubt - Wade will go down as the better *overall* player"
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>Offensively, yeah. We need to see a full season of them
>dominating though. Year 1 was year 1...not much different
>than year 1 in Miami. Last year's finish was great, but Kyrie
>was hurt for a lot of the season and took time to get into his
>groove.
>
>We need a year of healthy Kyrie and still prime Lebron, to
>surpass peak Lebron and Wade who were both in their primes. I
>agree though, on the offensive end their skill sets compliment
>each other better than Lebron and Wade.
>

Fair enough. Injuries always a factor - and they were with Wade as well. It's amazing that Bron has been such an IronMan. Only other player I recall being so dominant and immune from injury in their prime like this was Jordan - who was Iron Man status as well. Durability is a must in today's NBA.


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10. "He earned that closer rep by winning Finals MVP lol"
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24. "right - when he *wasn't* a teammate of Lebron James"
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when he was a teammate?

Wade Finals Stats:
2014: 15 ppg on 43% FG; 69% FT; 3.3 TO
2013: 19.6 ppg, 4 rbg 4 apg
2012: 22 ppg 43% fg; 6 rpg 4 apg

Wade showed up and balled in the 2011 Finals - but other than that - he underperformed and consistently shrunk in the big moments when he was Bron's teammate.
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35. "Thus the phrase "for all the talk of" must be intentionally disingenuous..."
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Because it implies untruth. However we just agreed that its truthiness is set and cast.

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34. "lol right?"
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this shit is so weird

  

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54. "lolz"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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39. "so basically your argument is kyrie is better suited to being a sidekick"
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can't argue with that.

>But he fits James better - plays off of him better - and
>provides a more timely/varied punch to complement James than
>Wade did.


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44. "yeah, that's kinda what i got from it too."
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52. "RE: so basically your argument is kyrie is better suited to being a side..."
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there it is.









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53. "that's been my argument...yet you still mad about"
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as long as he's LEBRON'S sidekick, i'm good with whatever bullshit you need to say to make yourself feel better.

melo washed. and rose a washed freak bamma.

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86. "Wade was also better *while* playing with Bron"
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Despite not being at his physical peak (BTW Kyrie's injuries impacted Cleveland last year way more than Wade's did Miami during any point in Bron's tenure), Wade was better. He came up huge in 2013, for example.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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7. "i guess this where i say "wade ain't nobody""
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where his league MVPs?

where his scoring titles?

he's a perennial all-star and got 3 titles. big whoop.

the idea that kyrie, provided health, can't match wade in career numbers and accomplishments is fucking nuts.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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8. "FOH, he's arguably top 5 two guard of all time"
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Kyrie arguably hasn't even a been top 5 PG in the league yet.

  

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9. "that's great...we know that after 13 years. see you in 8 years. "
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provided health, he ain't done shit kyrie can't match or surpass.

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11. "best player on a champion in year 3"
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Finals MVP - 35, 8, and 4. Some things you know sooner - very hard to see Kyrie being the best player on a champion.

  

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12. "like i said, he ain't done shit kyrie can't match or surpass"
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i'm looking at his career reg. season and playoff averages...yeah, not far to go.

numbers are numbers. i ain't gotta worry about ky winning an MVP. just a finals MVP, which is doable.

bye.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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14. "Kyrie gotta be the best player on a champion to even begin this conversa..."
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16. "no, he don't. he gotta have better stats and 3 or more titles"
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bye.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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17. "So just ignore Wade's best achievement? LOL"
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18. "no, just measure CAREERS"
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wade don't have a ROY or an allstar MVP either, but i ain't holding it against him when it's time to measure his career vs. kyrie's.

i'm just happy we talking about kyrie vs. legends and not FUCKING SCRUBS.

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19. "RE: no, just measure CAREERS"
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>
>wade don't have a ROY

Who else is in your draft class is pure luck/unluck.

or an allstar MVP either,

Not important.

but i ain't
>holding it against him when it's time to measure his career
>vs. kyrie's.

Because you actually know it's dumb. You just get caught up.

>i'm just happy we talking about kyrie vs. legends and not
>FUCKING SCRUBS.

We're not though. Kyrie vs. Wade as a player ain't even a conversation, and probably never will be.

  

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20. ""probably"...and i'm saying it LIKELY will be"
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we don't have to agree. i'm fine with it. i get to watch kyrie ascend to greatness and you get to bite your nails hoping he don't like a fucking rat.


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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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23. "RE: "probably"...and i'm saying it LIKELY will be"
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I was being nice with "probably". It ain't gonna happen. He could be better than Damian Lillard and crack the top 5 PGs, and could surpass Mark Price as best Cavs PG ever. Those are realistic goals. Wade? Don't do it. Reconsider.

>we don't have to agree. i'm fine with it. i get to watch kyrie
>ascend to greatness and you get to bite your nails hoping he
>don't like a fucking rat.
>
LOL, I don't give a shit if he does or doesn't. It's funny that you think I do. But I don't root against Kyrie. Just trying to bring some realism.

  

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28. "dame lillard now, huh...cool. we can go there AGAIN this year. "
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he's better than him. period. dame llillard is a ball-dominating chucker and a WORSE defender than kyrie. so, if you wanna cyse his 25ppg on sub 43% horseshit season, you go right ahead.

if dion was as good as CJ, maybe i wouldn't have to read your stale "but he took his team to the playoffs as a leader" horseshit.

realism is his career arc is already historic (that's an absolute fact...not many ahead of him) and you just can't face it.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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30. "The two are comparable, we'll probably be going there for awhile"
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>he's better than him. period. dame llillard is a
>ball-dominating chucker

They both shoot a lot, but Dame still averages more assists every year.

and a WORSE defender than kyrie. so,
>if you wanna cyse his 25ppg on sub 43% horseshit season, you
>go right ahead.

25 and 7. He's a good player, similar to Kyrie.

>if dion was as good as CJ, maybe i wouldn't have to read your
>stale "but he took his team to the playoffs as a leader"
>horseshit.

You rooting for Dion though with him being on the same team as Winslow?

>realism is his career arc is already historic (that's an
>absolute fact...not many ahead of him) and you just can't face
>it.

I don't know about all that, but he's a good player. Looking for big things from him this year.

  

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33. "dion should be out the fuckin league and austin rivers better"
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i ain't forgot. you lost that, too.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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42. "No, he shouldn't. You're exaggerating for effect"
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Tyus Jones probably close to the edge though.

  

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Basaglia
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43. "cool. thanks for the ammo. you'll lose that, too. "
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he had a better rookie year than bum ass ennis, so we can do that.

and dion was ACTUALLY almost out the league. ain't no exagashit...the nigga sorry and miami gave him a LIL something after most teams offered nothing.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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45. "Lose that too? Nobody got more epic Ls than you though"
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That Austin Rivers ROY one was major.

>he had a better rookie year than bum ass ennis, so we can do
>that.

You really want to do a Tyus Jones vs. Tyler Ennis agenda? Jeez.

>and dion was ACTUALLY almost out the league. ain't no
>exagashit...the nigga sorry and miami gave him a LIL something
>after most teams offered nothing.

There's no "almost". You either are or you aren't. He had some moments in the playoffs. I think he'll have a nice year in Miami. Good organization and coaching, unlike when he came into the league in Cleveland.

  

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66. "and no one has bigger Ws"
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kyrie the greatest start-to-finish win in OKS history. name another one. there isn't one.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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38. "http://english.cri.cn/mmsource/images/2010/02/15/16690215wade1.jpg"
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>wade don't have a ROY or an allstar MVP either, but i ain't
>holding it against him when it's time to measure his career
>vs. kyrie's.

http://english.cri.cn/mmsource/images/2010/02/15/16690215wade1.jpg

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13. "this is where i say "kyrie a sidekick""
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>where his scoring titles?

oh scoring titles are a significant achievement now? Lolz.

and Wade does have a scoring title btw.


>he's a perennial all-star and got 3 titles. big whoop.

I thought you were against champion bashing?

Wade was perennial All-NBA, a scoring champ & Finals MVP who led a team to a title. Kyrie is none of those things. He may become 2 of those things (then again he may not), but will never be the other 2. He is a nice sidekick though.

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15. "as long as he a champion, too, Fan of Washed Niggas "
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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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21. "So like Rip Hamilton with fewer playoff runs?"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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22. "sure, if he fucking dies in 2 years"
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31. "I wish i could celebrate kyrie w/o celebrating his team"
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Its hard for anything tainted with the foul stench of Ohio to ever get fully clean again in my eyes, even if it was the perhaps the best player (over the course of the playoffs) on a championship team

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36. "So not as good as Wade, Fan of Sidekick Help Niggas"
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25. "RE: i guess this where i say "wade ain't nobody""
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>the idea that kyrie, provided health, can't match wade in
>career numbers and accomplishments is fucking nuts.

Based on what he did last year - everyone should be on notice and allow his career to play out - because if he can continue on the trajectory that was set last year - he could have a scary 5-7 years left. My concern with him is injury - but I like that he will have managed mileage on him over the next few years.

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29. "health is the only issue. i ain't worried about talent at all. "
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____________________________________________________


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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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2. "Nah man, Wade better by any measure"
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Wade produced more and more consistently. Their job against the Spurs in Game 7 was a two-man operation; he came up huge. Not to mention that Wade was a Finals MVP before Bron even got there. This is some sort of suck-up to Bags thread, I guess, so carry on.

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32. "Of course he is lol. But this is a regularly scheduled event"
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The subtle and the not-so-subtle vex posts about chris bosh and dwyane wade meant to elevate Bron

He wont have to do it to Kyrie down the road because Wade already had an alpha dog chip, and Kyrie wont ever have that. So no need to fight dirty there.

Its all really transparent and uninteresting. Standard issue front-running with a subtext of bitchy backstabbing.

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46. "So sorry that this #FactAttack bothered you so much."
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gonna be ok?

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4. "Have you apologized to Derrick Rose yet?"
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27. "For stating facts?"
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I apologize for disrupting your feelings, though.

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47. "For only presenting one side of the story before all the facts were out "
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The only thing you disrupted is your own integrity.



Have you apologized to Derrick Rose yet?

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5. "they don't wanna admit it's true. but it's true. "
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anyone who disagree is counting shit that happened when wade wasn't bron's teammate. wade was pure rat ass in 2014. that was his fault and bron left his ass. rest is being written.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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37. "Wade came up as big in the 2011 Finals but #Klang failed him."
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>During their 4 years as a tandem, Wade never came up as big as
>Kyrie Irving did in the 2016 Finals.

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40. "You came up in these posts since 2011 sad, angry, and hurt."
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Wrong, too.

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48. "Lolz, I was partying in 2011. You weren't up in these posts til 2012 tho"
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weird.

>Wrong, too.

about?

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41. "not big enough...and he sucked ass in game 6"
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The Young Legend came up big when needed, not just when convenient.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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49. "Kyrie was riding shotgun to Kang, Wade was getting sabotaged by Klang"
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50. "2011 Wade is smh @ this post as if that Finals L was on him"
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Called Lebron being due for a playoff L thru them 'offs that year. And sho nuff, bada baam bada bing.

Wade as banged up as he's becoming, ain't never had his health skip away from an entire playoff series like Kyrie, which was probably one of Lebron's main concerns in getting away from only for that irony to occur in '15 Finals. Kyrie will be a good #2 but he's so much better than Wade do tell how many playoff series he seen without Bron Bron in the East

  

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51. "I won't lie, every time I see that picture of Kyrie in public places"
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I start grinning. Thank you, LeBron James.

  

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55. "Prisoner of the moment ass niggas"
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Kyrie went 3 straight seasons as the Cavs best player without making the playoffs

He aint on Dwyane's level as a winner nor as an all-around player

He a coattail rider

"and there's your L" - pat sajak

  

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56. "*taking notes* "3 straight years as team's best player. no playoffs.""
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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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theeraser
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"In the East, no less lol...He's awesome but let's chill with this for no..."


          

  

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Basaglia
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58. "ain't no chill shit...how good he gotta be exactly? "
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this dude done had the goalposts moved more than any player in OKS history. by a wide margin, too.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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Ryan M
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60. "Yeah that's just not true at all. "
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Hyperbole is kinda your thing but the answer here is Kobe and it isn't even close.

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65. "no, kobe had to get six rings and he ain't do it. too bad. "
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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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67. "lol pretty sure it started as he had to get one w.o shaq."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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68. "In terms of OKS it went:"
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- Lead a team without Shaq
- Win without Shaq
- Win multiple without Shaq
- Win without another good player
- Win 6

Goalposts moved a LOT. Kyrie isn't even close.

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71. "lol i remember this"
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>- Win without another good player

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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72. "oh, you talmbout HATERS...i'm talmbout actual goalpost-moving"
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- cavs should draft derrick williams and take knight at #4

- he's an 15-6 type player...not a star

- he's mike conley or mo williams

- Kemba better

- oh, historic ROY season? so...no playoffs

- not an all-star

- oh, 2nd youngest AS MVP...so, no playoffs (while still ignoring steph and wall and other not making playoffs their first 3 seasons)

- won't perform well in playoffs

- oh, he perform well? well, he won't stay healthy enough

- oh, he healthy now? well, they down 3-1 BECAUSE OF HIM.

- oh, they won in historic fashion and he hit a GW? he just a sidekick tho.

the good news is everything NOW is HATING. he's done everything he was SUPPOSED to do.

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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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75. "Lmao this guy is Trump status with the truth"
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79. "That....sounds like haters, but ok."
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85. "funniest thing about this"
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>- he's mike conley or mo williams

is the role Mo Williams played in the whole ascension of Kyrie
he was part of that trade to the Clippers that gave them that pick

also, seeing Mo Williams and Kyrie on the same team was also hilarious

(and they both got rings now)


let's not forget the whole Jeremy Pargo > Kyrie shit #POOPINCHICAGO

  

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61. "Better than Wade...I think he can surpass Wade, but he sure hasn't yet."
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57. "In the East, no less lol...He's awesome but let's chill with this for no..."
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59. "y'all still are showcasing suspect reading comprehension levels"
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you still think this is a debate about who's better: Wade or Kyrie.

That's not what we're discussing here. The question is - who will go down as the better *teammate* to Lebron James. Kyrie during his first 2 years with Lebron has already surpassed what Wade was able to accomplish in 4 years of Finals performances - 2 of which were absurdly sub-par - one which was close to Wade's average - and one which was exceptional (2011). Even taking 2011 into account - Wade never did anything like what Kyrie just did in the Finals when he was a teammate of Bron.

What Wade did in 2006 is irrelevant to this subject - because he wasn't a teammate of Lebron James in 2006. Not that hard to understand.

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62. "But Wade helped LeBron win two rings...and then there's 2011."
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He was the Heat's best player in 2011, with a little help from LeBron that would've been three.

So Kyrie still has a ways to go IMO.

  

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69. "that he did - Kyrie helped Bron get his third - and more to come..."
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>He was the Heat's best player in 2011, with a little help
>from LeBron that would've been three.
>
>So Kyrie still has a ways to go IMO.

I'd take Kyrie's first two Finals performances with Bron than Wade's first two. And we all know (but perhaps don't want to admit) how poorly Wade performed in his 3rd and 4th Finals appearances during his stint w/ Bron.

So - barring injury - I don't think it's a question that Kyrie will outperform Wade in his 3rd and 4th Finals appearances with Bron (assuming Cleveland can get to the Finals again this year and next - which is a reasonable assumption to make).

We shall see.

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63. "you're conflating miscomprehension and mockery."
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i think ppl understand your point just fine. they just think that it's lulz.

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64. "lulz"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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70. "exactly..lol"
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73. "nah - people are bringing up Wade performances"
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when he *wasn't* a teammate of Lebron James to bolster their arguments.

Have fun w/ the Bulls this year breh.

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74. "they hurt, dogg. and they scared because we haven't seen ky's best"
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you see how mad they got when i put up the graphic about how steph became an all-star at 25, but kyrie had done WAY MORE before even turning 25. they swear steph was a one-off and kyrie ain't gettin no better.

okay. we shall see.

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76. "Boy, young Ky the god and Kang couldn't have gotten off to a better star..."
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clock is ticking on Wade's narrative.

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77. "and that was a mediocre shooting night from the Cavs overall."
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I see what they are attempting to do, though.

This team is going to be a real problem now that they've gone through a playoff season together and the BS about "who does what" is pretty much over with. only ones who need to integrate now are the new faces (Dunleavy, Liggins, Felder).

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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78. "yea they didn't shoot the ball well last night, but played so cohesive."
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they really are settling into their roles beautifully - and the roles are very complimentary of each other's gifts. The way Kyrie came out with that 3rd quarter explosion was timely - and he does everything that needs to be done from an offensive standpoint that can't be done when lebron is busy doing everything else as a swiss army knife.

This will be a fun year.


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80. "Irving could become Lebron's first teammate to outscore him (ESPN)"
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http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/3212/kyrie-irving-could-become-lebron-james-first-teammate-to-outscore-him

Saddening?

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82. "RE: Irving could become Lebron's first teammate to outscore him (ESPN)"
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Not sad at all. Someone taking some of the load off of Bron means he'll get to play at or near his peak level for more years, especially come playoffs. That's a good thing.

  

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83. "RE: Irving could become Lebron's first teammate to outscore him (ESPN)"
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>Not sad at all. Someone taking some of the load off of Bron
>means he'll get to play at or near his peak level for more
>years, especially come playoffs. That's a good thing.

preeeeeach.

Bron foresaw the Cleveland Renaissance future in 2014 on Biscayne Avenue. It's just a matter of time before the #HurtLocker contingent does as well.

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81. "Kyrie isn't a hall of famer....yet...."
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D. Wade was a hall of famer..in mostly his prime when he played with LeBron...

  

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84. "RE: Kyrie isn't a hall of famer....yet...."
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>D. Wade was a hall of famer..in mostly his prime when he
>played with LeBron...

except when it came to the biggest games. He showed up in near Wade prime in only 40% of his Finals appearances from 2010-2014. Never closed big games when it mattered during that stretch.

He never really fully adjusted to not being the Alpha - and his chemistry with Bron suffered because of it. Irving on the other hand has adjusted his role and now is shining because he knows exactly where he fits in with this team as a timely, volume scorer. Bron knows his spots and Kyrie doesn't try to replicate what Bron does (like Wade all too often did) - he complements it with balance and his skill-set is just better suited to ride shotgun with Bron.


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87. "Lebron's son shoots around/hangs w/ Ky; wears his shoes"
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http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0592417365975634918-4

Those aren't Wade's shoes?

FASCINATING.

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88. "you stalking bron's kids now too?"
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creepy.

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89. "lol jesus christ "
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90. "lol"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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91. "Irving developing into a closer for Cavs (per ESPN)"
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http://www.espn.com/blog/cleveland-cavaliers/post/_/id/3349/give-him-the-ball-in-the-4th-kyrie-irving-is-cavaliers-closer

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92. "anyone vexed?"
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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93. "The prophecy of the Young Legend has been fulfilled. "
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94. "Ohhhhh fascinating. First Take talking about this very subject"
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and Kellerman making the exact same points I made in this post - emphatically stating that Kyrie is the best teammate Lebron has played with.

Nice to see that they caught up.

Upsetting?

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95. "damn...things done changed. "
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


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96. "ESPN First Take: Better Bron teammate? Ky or Wade (vid)"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arB1abTNt50

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97. "*tosses you kleenex and Jergen's & runs away*"
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arB1abTNt50
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98. "Kyrie's performance against Boston"
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Notable example of Kyrie playing leadership basketball to will the Cavs to a win on a night when Bron was really off. He was magnificent both as a scorer and a floor general. Kyrie is developing into a really timely scorer.

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99. "Chicago fans abandoning D. Wade w/ alacrity "
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#yikes

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100. "So? Wade is 34. His legacy is cemented "
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101. "I hate D-Wade and agree. "
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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102. "like how you abandoned your Chicago fandom when MJ left?"
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103. "Sure is nice to have a big-game, volume scorer to ride w/"
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Ky gon Ky.

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104. "Ky gon' Ky"
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105. "Ky had the biggest playoff performance of any Bron teammate"
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107. "It was incredible to behold. "
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108. "Wade had 41 & 10 in a game 6 closeout of the Pacers in 2012."
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Have you apologized to Dwyane Wade yet?

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109. "facts dont live here no mo"
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111. "one of his few great playoff games as Bron's sidekick"
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And yes I know you'll bring up the Dallas Finals series - that was Wade's last stand as a consistently elite player.

I'll take Ky's super efficient and timely performance last night, though. And I'll take his performance last year in the Finals (Game 6) over any D. Wade Finals performance when he was a teammate of Bron.

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114. "he had more in 2011 when Bron was his sidekick"
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>I'll take Ky's super efficient and timely performance last
>night, though. And I'll take his performance last year in the
>Finals (Game 6) over any D. Wade Finals performance when he
>was a teammate of Bron.

I'll take Wade's super efficient, more productive, more timely (game 6 close-out) performance in 2012. And I'll take Wade's 27/7/5 shooting 55% FG in the 2011 Finals when he was sabotaged by Klang over Ky's 27/4/4 on 47% FG last year when he was elevated by Kang.

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115. "Bron outplayed Wade in every single playoff series for 4 years"
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except for the 2011 Finals. Bron bodied the East in 2011 and played exceptionally well up until the Finals (wihen he played very poorly, no denying that).

<<And I'll take Wade's
>27/7/5 shooting 55% FG in the 2011 Finals when he was
>sabotaged by Klang over Ky's 27/4/4 on 47% FG last year when
>he was elevated by Kang.

So the answer is yes: you will continue to bring up the 2011 Finals - ad nauseum - as your singular piece of evidence to cling on to your dying narrative.

That's neat.


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116. "Bron has outplayed Kyrie in every single playoff series for 3 years "
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without exception.

and I actually brought up 2012 first. I'm sorry that you continue to be so deeply hurt by Bron's capitulation in the 2011 Finals though. So sad.

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144. "Well that's a lie. Wade was better against BOS."
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And arguably PHI too

One could also argue that Chris Bosh was their best player against Chicago as well.

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110. "if they win it all again this year, i dont see how this statement is fal..."
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but at the time of it's posting, i thought it was a bit premature.

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112. "anyone can make the statement after it's already established"
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the prophecy is in the foresight.

Example: in 2012 - I (along w/ a few other prophetic witnesses) forecasted that Bron was going to be a top 3 player of all-time when it was all said and done. At the time - that statement was lambasted. Now - the statement didn't go far enough: He's cemented as #2.

That's how prophecy works.

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113. "Lebron still behind Kareem and MJ and always will be."
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that lebron prediction isnt a bold take by any means lol.

ppl who said it was outlandish dont have working eyes.

kyrie will finish with a better career/accolades than d wade tho. so kudos for that


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117. "Wade and Bosh"
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in that order IMO. and to me Bosh made it all the glue.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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118. "Let's keep this on page 1."
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119. "Bron and prime Wade ain't getting ran off the court like this"
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120. "Lmao...yes they would."
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122. "FOH. D-Wade is a lot of things. He ain't no bitchass chucker."
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123. "prime Wade would D up Curry"
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125. "And who d's klay....Chalmers???? Good luck with that"
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127. "Klay's streaky you take your chances with him"
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131. "Like I said...good luck with that."
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126. "And btw, when exactly was prime wade?"
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128. "he peaked around 2008-10, top 5 MVP voting, 1st team all-nba, all-defens..."
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130. "So your prime Wade quip don't even belong in this post."
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You talking one season when they couldn't beat dallas.

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132. "yeah it does genius, the point is Lebron and prime Kyrie ARE getting ran..."
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the court and Lebron and prime Wade, or even slightly past his prime Wade wouldn't

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133. "Right bc Chalmers can guard klay"
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Prime bron and wade lost to dirk and past his prime Wade got ran off by Pop.

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134. "RE: Right bc Chalmers can guard klay"
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>Prime bron and wade lost to dirk and past his prime Wade got
>ran off by Pop.

The lost to Dirk because Lebron's bitch ass didn't show up

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135. "not even would... they DID. in 2014, by the Spurs."
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oh wait, you said "prime", carry on.

change it back to 2011. The Mavs.

  

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121. "The series isn't over yet."
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To be clear, I'm not taking a side on this Wade vs. Irving agendacon argument because that's pretty pointless to me. With that said, I still want to see if Tyron Lue is able to draw up scenarios to force Curry to defend Kyrie to get him in foul trouble since Curry still isn't a good one-on-one wing defender. Find someway to put Kyrie's good handles to use make things a bit harder for Golden State.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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124. "neither is Kyrie lol..."
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>since Curry still isn't a good one-on-one wing
>defender.

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129. "Correct. n/m"
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"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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136. "Are we REALLY debating Wade vs Kyrie?"
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Come the fuck on
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137. "RE: Are we REALLY debating Wade vs Kyrie?"
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>Come the fuck on


This place is something else....lol

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138. "Bomani made a point about Ky basically being a role player"
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in the same way Microwave was ... go out and get buckets. But not affect just about any other facet of the game.




He's right

  

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140. "Yes. Let's. "
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139. "damn - y'all partied waaay too soon (again)"
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Kyrie's performances in the Finals > Wade's performances in the Finals in the aggregate (when paired with Bron - not talking about 2006).

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141. "RE: damn - y'all partied waaay too soon (again)"
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>Kyrie's performances in the Finals > Wade's performances in
>the Finals in the aggregate (when paired with Bron - not
>talking about 2006).


Jesus...

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142. "just gonna leave this here: LeBron James is the real (Finals) MVP"
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http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19611978/nba-why-lebron-james-finals-mvp

What's the best way to capture the greatness of LeBron James?


You could look at his four MVPs, his three Finals MVPs and his three titles. Or you could point to the fact that he's already the all-time leading playoff scorer -- and scoring is not even his best skill. You could look up his triple-doubles and see that he's the all-time leader in the category for the Finals and for playoff elimination games. And from all indications, he hasn't left his prime yet.

But all those stats probably don't do James justice. The clearest way to see how powerful James is on the basketball court is not to see him at all. That is, take a look at what the Cleveland Cavaliers do when he's not on the floor. That perspective will make it crystal clear that he's the most sensible MVP of the Finals -- even if the Cavs don't win the series against the Golden State Warriors.

Here in the Finals, James' impact is jaw-dropping. Check the box score from Game 4, and you'll see that James delivered a triple-double while scoring 31 points on 50 percent shooting. You'll also notice that the Cavs -- going against an all-time juggernaut trying to sweep the entire playoffs -- were plus-32 in the 41 minutes that he was on the floor.

But here's the crazy thing that you can't pick up easily in the box score: In the seven minutes that James sat on the bench, the Cavs were minus-11. That's right: In just seven LeBron-less minutes, the Warriors put up 21 points and the Cavs just 10.

And then you look at Game 3, a brilliant nail-biter that the Cavs were actually winning with 50 seconds left. In that game, the LeBron-less Cavs were minus-12 in just two minutes. Yes, the Warriors went on a 12-0 run without James on the floor. James couldn't leave the floor for three freakin' minutes without the Cavs blowing it. (The LeBron-full Cavs were plus-7 with James on the floor.)

One-game sample sizes can be misleading when dealing with a noisy stat like plus-minus, but that's not the case here. If we zoom out, we see that the lopsided plus-minus has been the story of the series and the season. And if we're being honest, it goes for the Cavs franchise, too.

When LeBron James is on the floor, they are championship contenders. Without him, they're just another team. And a bad one, at that.

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In the 2017 Finals, James has averaged a triple-double while averaging series-high 41.4 minutes per game. He can't sit on the bench. Against a Warriors team that blew out opponents at a record pace entering the series, James has actually led his team to a plus-6 margin when he's on the floor.

But that advantage all falls apart when he hits the bench. The LeBron-less Cavs for the series stand at a minus-31 in 26 minutes of action -- a rate so one-sided, it's the equivalent of losing by 57 points in a 48-minute game.

Let that marinate. Without James, the Cavs are getting smacked by a rate of a 57-point rout over a full game.

You might be sitting here and saying, "Duh, that's what happens when you play the All-Star team that is the Golden State Warriors. Does this stand up to the whole season?" Glad you asked.

Thanks to the magic of NBAwowy.com, we can look at how the Cavs do with certain players on the court. Let's pull up how they fare when they have two All-Stars on the floor, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love. Let's take James out of the equation. On Friday, that two-star lineup got blasted 14-5 in four minutes. For the season? Here's the score: Cavs 686, Opponents 708. That's right. Even with two four-time All-Stars on the floor, the Cavs have been outscored by 22 points in 342 minutes this season, or minus-3.1 per 48 minutes. You know what the New York Knicks were this season? A minus-3.6.

Think about that. The Cavs without James but with Irving and Love on the floor were basically the Knicks, a team that finished 31-51 and 10 games out of the playoff picture. That's how good he is.

What's going on here? LeBron James is happening. Put just about anybody around him, and that team is going to be really good. Here's another way to think about this. What if we look at how the Cavs do with James on the floor and no Irving, no Love. Again, James by himself without any of his All-Stars. The Cavs, according to NBAwowy tracking, with James and no Irving/Love, have scored 110.4 points per 100 possessions this season. That's crazy good, right up there with the best offenses of the season.

Let's flip this. How do the Cavs score in the Irving and Love lineups without James? Again, these are two of the best scorers in the NBA. Here's how that lineup scores: 108.6 points per 100 possessions, per NBAwowy.com. To recap: The Cavs with LeBron alone do better offensively than the Cavs with Irving and Love going without James. (The defense gets better with James, too, if you were wondering.) If that doesn't spell it out for you, I don't know what will.

Can't wrap your head around this on-the-court off-the-court stuff? Just look at the overall team record. This season, the Cavs were 0-8 in the eight games that James missed. Oh-and-eight.


LeBron James has carried the Cleveland Cavaliers while on the court while watching them plummet when off the court. That has been the case for him every season with them. (Tony Dejak/AP) AP Photo/Tony Dejak
That's the story of the franchise, really. Since James was drafted in 2003 and on the team, the Cavs have a 496-274 (.644) record when James is on the floor, which is almost exactly the No. 1-seeded Boston Celtics' win percentage this season (.646). But get this: Those same teams, but with James watching from the bench in street clothes, are 14-36 (.280) since 2003-04, a win percentage that only the Brooklyn Nets could out-terrible this season. To reiterate: a win percentage that goes from No. 1 to No. 29. That's the power of LeBron.

Cavs With And Without LeBron James
WITH WITHOUT
Season W L WPct W L WPct
2016-17 51 23 .689 0 8 .000
2015-16 56 20 .737 1 5 .167
2014-15 50 19 .725 3 10 .231
2009-10 60 19 .759 1 2 .333
2008-09 66 15 .815 0 1 .000
2007-08 45 30 .600 0 7 .000
2006-07 47 31 .603 3 1 .750
2005-06 47 32 .595 3 0 1.000
2004-05 41 39 .513 1 1 .500
2003-04 33 46 .418 2 1 .667
Total 496 274 .644 14 36 .280


And this doesn't consider even what the Cavs looked like in the years when James' talents went to South Beach. In poetic fashion, the 2010-11 Cleveland team responded to James' departure by breaking the record for consecutive losses (26) set by -- you guessed it -- the Cavaliers across the 1981-82 and 1982-83 seasons (24). When James played in Miami, the Cavs' best season was 16 games under .500 when they finished 33-49 in 2013-14.

This doesn't happen to the same degree when we look at other stars. The Warriors missed Kevin Durant so much this season that they went on a 13-game win streak without him at one point. And the San Antonio Spurs rattled off a 7-1 record without Kawhi Leonard in the regular season. In the six playoff games without Stephen Curry last season, the Warriors went 4-2. Houston won its lone game without James Harden, and so did the Thunder without Russell Westbrook. Again: The Cavs, with multiple All-Stars, lost all eight stinking games this season without James.

Which brings us to the Finals MVP. The series isn't over yet, but if you stack up box score stats, it's basically a three-way tie between James, Durant and Curry. Durant is scoring 34.3 points on mind-blowing .523/.433/.914 shooting percentages along with 8.8 rebounds, 5.5 assists and 2 blocks per game. Curry is averaging a near triple-double with averages of 25, 9.3 and 8.5, and unlike with Durant, the Warriors have a losing margin when Curry is off the floor. And of course, James is averaging a triple-double with a positive plus-minus on a team down 3-1.

Cavs This Playoffs With LeBron James On/Off
ON OFF
vs. Indiana Game 1 5 -4
vs. Indiana Game 2 6 0
vs. Indiana Game 3 13 -8
vs. Indiana Game 4 4 0
vs. Toronto Game 1 16 -5
vs. Toronto Game 2 24 -2
vs. Toronto Game 3 20 1
vs. Toronto Game 4 7 0
vs. Boston Game 1 17 -4
vs. Boston Game 2 46 -2
vs. Boston Game 3 1 -4
vs. Boston Game 4 7 6
vs. Boston Game 5 36 -3
vs. GS Game 1 -22 0
vs. GS Game 2 -11 -8
vs. GS Game 3 7 -12
vs. GS Game 4 32 -11


We know where the Warriors would be without Durant or Curry: probably right where they are, in the Finals. But without James, the Cavs have shown they wouldn't be anywhere close.

The only player to win the MVP on the losing team is Jerry West, who in 1969 literally became the face of the league when the NBA's designer made his silhouette the logo that same year. How fitting if James followed the Logo.

Any way you look at it, James is everything to the Cavs.

----
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143. "LeBron James is gonna be the logo of the future."
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I'm about to go full Vex here.

My only wish in the offseason is someone that can allow him to sit more than 5 minutes on the bench.

That might be impossible.

But LeBron does "impossible" things.

  

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146. "Damn....Those stats r nuts...."
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James didn't play with scrubs....They ran through the East....The Cavs dominated the East...Smacked it around and made it its bitch.....

The Cavs boast all-stars (plural). But what this Finals series brings home (besides the fact that Durant is a dominant player who was added to an already scary team...) is James' all-star teammates are skilled yet staggeringly one-dimensional....

This is why I don't throw around the "great" tag....

Love and Kyrie are good players. And both possess a specific GREAT skill set (Love--rebounding, Kyrie--scoring....next level Vinnie Microwave with handles).

But I think it's too soon to say that either of those guys could lead their own team.

I guess James is that great....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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149. "^"
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145. "Kyrie was really bad in that 4th quarter"
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Good series offensively, but he was bad in the 4th of game 5. Gotta finish.

  

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147. "RE: Kyrie was really bad in that 4th quarter"
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>Good series offensively, but he was bad in the 4th of game 5.
> Gotta finish.

If he's not getting u buckets he's pretty much moot.....Kyrie really has to improve his all around game...He is supposed to be the "playmaker" that Bron continues to complain about....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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148. "Improve his all-around game.... lol. That's it bro. There's nothing else..."
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Dribble. Dribble. Shoot.

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150. "Basically. Kyrie is a defensive liability and mediocre passer"
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If he isn't scoring, he isn't of much use. Exceptional at what he does well though.

  

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151. "FRAUD!"
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___________________

Mar-A-Lago delenda est

  

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152. "didn't see this plot twist coming...smh."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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153. "regardless of the plot twist - what they accomplished is timeless"
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Cleveland's '16 title will live forever as arguably the most magical title run the league has seen - and Kyrie was there for it and *ON* & popping.

I'll forever have a satisfied aftertaste from what went down during the storied Cleveland Renaissance Years.

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154. "damn, you swallowed?"
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>I'll forever have a satisfied aftertaste from what went down
>during the storied Cleveland Renaissance Years.

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156. "harsh."
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157. "but fair."
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158. "true"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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159. "lmfaooooooo"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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162. "^ aims at a target like a rifle not a shotgun....^"
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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164. "before ya kiss 'em use Colgate (c) Dr Dre"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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155. "cmon dallas better"
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165. "Wade=three rings, two with Bron. Finals MVP, balled out in Game 7"
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Wade still better.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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160. "Lebron's most disloyal teammate is now Kyrie Irving."
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>few months together -and where they are now - their synergy
>has developed into something quite special -

http://hiphopwired.com/548321/kyrie-irving-unfollowed-lebron-james-instagram-hurt-real/

'dat synergy!

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161. "lolz"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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163. "RE: Lebron's most disloyal teammate is now Kyrie Irving."
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>>few months together -and where they are now - their synergy
>>has developed into something quite special -
>
>http://hiphopwired.com/548321/kyrie-irving-unfollowed-lebron-james-instagram-hurt-real/
>
>'dat synergy!
>
>


http://tinyurl.com/ybz3cf7t

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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166. "Vex on the coach like"
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https://www.instagram.com/p/BZhm_AMgEe2/

  

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167. "Update: It's AD"
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If Wade & Kang were PB & J, AD & Kang go together like Scallops and Sauvignon Blanc.

It's not just the compelling data (James is averaging nearly 3 dimes per game just to AD alone, and ~25% of his passes go to AD) - but it's the way they are dominating with an unstoppable chemistry *already*. That AD screen and roll w/ Bron pocket-passing sets up either a wide open jumper for AD, or a roll and dive to the tin for an easy lay-up like clockwork. And already they've connected with more spin and roll plays than most tandems achieve in nearly a whole season.

The way AD complements Bron is crazy -- on the defensive end AD is a bonafide anchor with DPOY potentiality - and offensively he is getting so many easy looks, and for the first time Bron has an elite big that doesn't have to dominate the ball (like Wade and Kyrie) to be dominant himself.

Kyrie fit in well - but often times it was a 1,2 punch where Kyrie would take over when Bron went to the bench. Wade did a lot of the things Bron did (just worse). With AD - he does a lot of different things that Bron doesn't do - and there is seemingly no clash with their styles - only instant chemistry.
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168. "Gotta win a ring, but I FEEL U (pause)"
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Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
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169. "LeBron never got off to this kind of start with Wade or Kyrie"
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it's AD.

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170. "If he fails to win a Ring this year it's gonna get ugly."
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.
.

“It was the evidence from science and history that prompted me to abandon my atheism and become a Christian.” — Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ

The Case for Christ Lecture: https://youtu.be/67uj2qvQi_k

Looking for Good News: https://www.goo

  

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171. "You mean if Anthony Davis doesn't win a ring. "
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Lebron an old man and washed, remember

  

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172. "lol for who? Pelinka?"
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173. "They called 'Bron washed, V. They gotta eat that now. "
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If Bron lose, it's AD/Pelinka because Lebron a washed old
sidekick.

If Bron win, he gets the new NBA logo. He owns everything,
always, forever.

  

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174. "yea cats have been ready to party for almost 5 years now"
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just waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting......not willing to accept reality and acknowledge the unprecedented performance in year 17, shifting gears at that to lead the league in dimes and play at legitimately an MVP level.

Must suck to be so upset and unable to appreciate such historic greatness.

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175. "Had an older coworker tell me Bron is a ball hog."
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>just waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting......not
>willing to accept reality and acknowledge the unprecedented
>performance in year 17, shifting gears at that to lead the
>league in dimes and play at legitimately an MVP level.
>
>Must suck to be so upset and unable to appreciate such
>historic greatness.

I know longer talk sports with him

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176. "last season was the closest he's been to washed"
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but 2018 was one of his GOAT offensive years.

this season though? he still LeBron. it's ALMOST to the point where he doesn't have to be elite. not quite.

  

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