"Cowboys Fans: We still arguing about drafting a QB or nah?" Sun Oct-16-16 06:52 PM by LegacyNS
just asking...
It should have happened a long time ago. Dak is looking like the real deal even tho it's still early. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <---- 5.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo
this ain't the time for no divisive shit. Nobody ever said we shouldn't have a successor to Romo in the wings. Chill. We just beat up Green Bay in Lambeau. Let this win marinate.
...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft
2. "to borrow a line from Bags.. I'm petty...lol" In response to Reply # 1
I argued for a long time that we should draft a QB even if just for a backup but people were giving me shit saying you couldn't find a replacement QB unless we drafted high in the 1st round..
Just wondering if folx were still going with that...
3. "It's early but skill-sets don't just disappear " In response to Reply # 0
Both him and Wentz have shown skill-sets which will translate very well to this level: Pre-snap recognition, patience with progressions, ball accuracy, the ability to create yards with their feet, a commitment to preparation, humility, and arguably most importantly, playing within themselves and allowing the talent around them to excel. Currently, Dak has more offensive talent around him especially with the ground game and he's more than ok with playing off of it.
--------------------------------- <--The drought is over
"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS
"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left." -Kobe speaking to investigators
5. "i don't really understand this post. " In response to Reply # 0
(outside of your silly agenda, which you're trying to morph from anti-romo into something else)
for context, we drafted stephen mcgee in 2009. now, i never approved of our "find starters no one wants as a starter any more" plan, especially last year, but our draft strategy at qb generally made sense until just the past few seasons. probably a season or two late to throw a 2nd-4th rounder at a developmental qb, but i'd say it worked out.
bigger story, we're also reaping the benefits of drafting our first first day safety (jones) and early round dt (collins) in a long time. you have to go back to 2002 and 2001 for similar investments. and unlike the situation with romo, we actually did have *nothing* at those positions during the past decade.
We had more than one discussion about drafting a QB. Of course we needed a backup but I argued that even a replacement QB could be found outside of the 1st round..
7. "i guess i remember it differently" In response to Reply # 6
i remember it more as "it's very unlikely that you'd get a qb better than romo with a mid-first or later pick" discussion.
i think we can all agree wasting picks on backup lbs and tes was not the move. especially when the best case scenario was that they'd break through with other teams on their second contracts.
GriftyMcgrift Member since May 22nd 2002 20414 posts
Sun Oct-16-16 08:14 PM
8. "I just never had confidence in our ability to draft in general" In response to Reply # 0
until the past few seasons
so the last thing I wanted them doing was taking a gamble on a QB but everyone whos not completely irrational knew we had to do it eventually
ya we probably got pretty lucky with this one too but the "luck" came after atleast a few years of decent draft so its not like we completely stumbled into it
12. "I still can't cheer for chubby face Zeke yet... lol" In response to Reply # 9
I swear Zeke is like that one dude from the hood who can eat a whole hot and ready yet still beat everyone in a foot race.. shit is crazy.. lol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <---- 5.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo
16. "you should be happy he isnt around to truck jabrill peppers again" In response to Reply # 12
>I swear Zeke is like that one dude from the hood who can eat >a whole hot and ready yet still beat everyone in a foot race.. >shit is crazy.. lol >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ><---- 5.... >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo > >=======================================
------------------- I wanna go to where the martyrs went the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...
10. "*shrug*, I'll say it for them -- you were right" In response to Reply # 0
I've seen a lot of thin OKS reasoning behind not drafting a capable back-up over the past few years:
- the team has too many holes to waste a draft pick on a quarterback - starting NFL quarterbacks are unlikely to be found outside the first round, so again, why bother (ironic considering Romo went undrafted) - rather have a steady veteran hand like Kyle Orton then a rookie unknown - Romo is our guy despite whatever failings he's had, let's not create a QB controversy when there isn't one - you're not going to find a QB better than Romo without a top five pick anyway, so let me know when Dallas wins the next Luck sweepstakes
you were basically the only Cowboys fan on OKS to say fuck it, we need to start looking at QB successors in the draft every season. Romo ain't getting any younger or less hurt, and he hasn't taken Dallas to the promised land while he's been healthy anyway.
29. "the man said it himself, it started more than 5 years ago" In response to Reply # 10
and it wasn't about merely prudently procuring a backup/developmental qb. it was about "moving on."
when he made the post, the cowboys had just moved on from investing a 3rd in a jerry jones whim at qb in 2009. not that there were any better qbs available instead of him.
it is also very amusing that in his last post in that thread he points out that in 2011-2, 5 teams (out of what 12? teams that drafted qbs early-ish) had found long term starters, and 2 of those guys became notable busts shortly thereafter.
only a couple of the dudes drafted at qb in 2011-2 would even have been serviceable backups. depending on your opinion of cousins.
hard to argue with the cowboys decisions to draft frederick and martin instead of the available qbs in 2013-4. hard to argue with them skipping the options available later.
so the cowboys could have found an overall #1 pick or found a russell wilson. and it's very possible they did jump on the next russell wilson.
52. "That wasn't directed at Will fam " In response to Reply # 36 Tue Oct-18-16 01:10 PM by LA2Philly
I remember very distinctly the visceral reactions of Cowboys fans when the topic of finding a replacement for Romo through the draft came up. I never quite understood those reactions, because after getting past the emotional attachment, it makes great sense that the position which A) has arguably the greatest singular impact and B) is the hardest to assess, likely requires many attempts to hit on.
Will had a perfect example below...Belichek, with arguably the best QB ever at the helm, has drafted 7 qbs. Perhaps he has finally found that heir apparent with Garappalo.
--------------------------------- <--The drought is over
"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS
"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left." -Kobe speaking to investigators
Pinko_Panther Member since Dec 11th 2002 11808 posts
Tue Oct-18-16 03:36 PM
55. "The entire debate they are shoe-horning into an agenda is from over 5yea..." In response to Reply # 52 Tue Oct-18-16 03:37 PM by Pinko_Panther
...before Romo got hurt everytime the center snapped the ball. The only legitimate concern worth entertaining at the time was whether or not the Cowboys should begin looking for a young player who may develop into a starter after Romo retires in 5-10 years.
Instead, the Cowboys focused on o-line which Dak is now benefiting from greatly. Good luck to any rookie 5/6 years ago putting on a Prescott performance with what we had.
Still, nobody said eff all about developing a young QB for the future.
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13. "Not fucking fair btw... fuck you cowhoes" In response to Reply # 0
Romo was late round himself and he keeps you guys as competitive as yall been, now as his future is murky you guys get a guy that was what... 4th round?
Fuck yall, not only for lucking up like that but without needing to go top round n shit so your franchise QB is great value n shit. Unlike some of us who had to mortgage our future for the 2nd pick (which at least is paying off so far).
15. "and the dilemma in Dallas continues to get deeper. " In response to Reply # 0
to Dak or not to Dak, that is the question (when Romo returns).
honest to goodness, as a Skins fan, I hope yall put Romo's broken back ass back in there and destroy all this great team chemistry that's going on in Dallas.
24. "Yall both right lol, uniquely sad he got ran off from 2 different squads..." In response to Reply # 21 Mon Oct-17-16 04:06 PM by mtbatol
I know it's football and it happens to the best like Montana to Young... but damn. Brady in NE taking his spot as THE marquee face of the franchise, then as he found stood statuesquely in Dallas he gets carted off again for Romo. What luck for him :\
26. "Bledsoe getting his side blown up by Mo Lewis..." In response to Reply # 24
and Brady stepping in is stuff of legend. Few remember that Parcells brought Drew in to replace Testaverde and he actually got a 3 year deal...only to play less than a season and a half, getting replaced by Tony.
...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft
25. "anecdotally it was pretty amusing watching cowboy fans IRL.." In response to Reply # 0
and OKP blame garrett after every Big L (rest in peace), while clearing the runway for romo's soft landing and their rationalizations for a sucky performance/choke.
49. "Garrett been smelling like leaky trash for some years now " In response to Reply # 25
>and OKP blame garrett after every Big L (rest in peace), >while clearing the runway for romo's soft landing and their >rationalizations for a sucky performance/choke.
Pinko_Panther Member since Dec 11th 2002 11808 posts
Mon Oct-17-16 10:40 PM
35. "NOBODY NOBODY NOBODY argued against drafting QBs..." In response to Reply # 0
...it was the unwarranted shitting in Romo by dense, "petty", armchair GMs who acted like the next Joe Montana was just waiting for us in a Cracker Jack box.
In fact, the Cowboys have drafted and tried to develop young QBs that they evaluated as having potential. None worked out.
Lastly, if it weren't for some random DUI charge or whatever, we wouldn't have gotten Dak, either.
So, yeah, calm your tits
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Pinko_Panther Member since Dec 11th 2002 11808 posts
Mon Oct-17-16 11:04 PM
38. "Isaiah Stanback, Stephen McGee and Dak" In response to Reply # 37
Dak counts as taking a shot on a QB in the fourth round too, btw.
They didn't draft him because some sudden shift in strategy. Dad's stock dropped because of substance BS. We got lucky rather than suddenly having made some brilliant move that we've been overlooking all these years
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39. "lol, Stanback was converted to receiver in his rookie training camp" In response to Reply # 38 Mon Oct-17-16 11:11 PM by will_5198
McGee was the only quarterback Dallas drafted from 2006-2014. they tried to develop *one* quarterback in Romo's tenure, and then forgot about the position for seven years.
meanwhile, Belichick has drafted eight quarterbacks in Brady's tenure. it's a crapshoot, but you always have to be churning that #2 roster spot -- especially if your starter is over 30. and UDFAs don't count.
Dallas hadn't even tried, not until Romo literally broke down on them last season.
Pinko_Panther Member since Dec 11th 2002 11808 posts
Mon Oct-17-16 11:22 PM
40. "Fine, let's say I overstated our draft choices..." In response to Reply # 39 Mon Oct-17-16 11:26 PM by Pinko_Panther
...my point is that Jerry, Stephen Jones and Jason Garrett didn't simply just wake up and realize what incredible GMs Legacy and Will are. They've been following the same draft strategy this year as in all previous year.
We didn't "develop" Dak. He fell to us in the fourth round because NFL teams are run by white, conservative idiots who were scared to "take a chance" on a solid but "troubled" player. Dallas would've been dumb to pass on him in the fourth round.
Simply put, the stars aligned in our favor. But some mouth-breathers on this site wanna back-track on what their argument was and act like we coulda snagged someone better than Romo, or McGee for that matter, (or better than Dak) as if we were buying ankle socks from the bin at H&M
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Pinko_Panther Member since Dec 11th 2002 11808 posts
Tue Oct-18-16 03:28 PM
54. "We got lucky on a great draft pick this year..." In response to Reply # 48
...the nonsense you were spewing was years ago before every play resulted in a Romo injury... I still support him and I'm grateful for the keeping our shitty squad competitive. I'm not an a whiny, little snot that plays armchair gm with no idea how any of it works.
I'm happy we have two incredible quarterbacks and one for the future.
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Pinko_Panther Member since Dec 11th 2002 11808 posts
Mon Oct-17-16 11:59 PM
41. "I think it's clearly time for the Packers to move on from Rodgers..." In response to Reply # 0
...they could learn a lesson from Dallas. I mean, look at Dak, for instance. He's already in his 4th Super Bowl and it only took us 9 years for him to just call into our laps after the great misfortune of having to ensure several years of watching one of this generations great QBS struggle with injuries, terrible defenses and bad coaching.
Clearly, everything wrong with Green Bay today is also Rodgers' fault. Time to move on and then make a stupid "told you so" post 6 years later when his replacement falls into their laps by some fluke that these armchair liars will end up taking credit for.
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Pinko_Panther Member since Dec 11th 2002 11808 posts
Tue Oct-18-16 01:28 AM
44. "I thought my comment be was clearly sarcastic.." In response to Reply # 43
..but I realized that's is only clear if you followed the mind numbing debates between Legacy and virtually every other Cowboys fan several years ago about it being time to dump Tony. He referenced the greatness of Rodgers (who I like and admire) at the time as a counterpoint to anyone who dared say Romo is a great quarterback
Now, after we luck our way into Dak after he miraculously falls four rounds, Leg makes a dumb ass "I told you so" post that seems to want credit for something that simply happened by circumstance.
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