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"NHL 2016 Offseason POAST"
Thu Jun-16-16 09:31 AM by smutsboy

          

I know...the season just ended 20 minutes ago...but the boys will be having organized skates before we know it. What are your teams' goals for the offseason? Personnel concerns? Need a coach? The Note have had a busy time already, since getting booted in the WCF. Hitch signed for next season with the understanding that this will be his last ride. It's now been announced that Mike Yeo will come in as Associate head coach and will take over for Hitch after the season ends. I think it was a nice move to get the coaching situation wrapped up. Yeo can work with Hitch, all the players, then take the handoff and hopefully it will all be seamless. Our free agent situation will not be quite as smooth. Armstrong has said re-signing Jaden Schwartz is top priority. So...who are we gonna lose from out of Backes, Brouwer, Brodziak and Shatty? Backes is 34 and this will probably be his last go around at a payday. What's he gonna want? What are the Blues (or any team) gonna want to give? 3 years? Shatty is 4.25m against the cap. Let him walk and roll with the youngins on the blue line like Parako, Edmondson and Schmaltz? Also, I really like what Brouwer did in the post-season. Going to be interesting.

  

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Seems premature but I did send out three fantasy trade proposals already
Jun 15th 2016
1
f-cking expansion draft
Jun 16th 2016
4
Guys who will get bought out.
Jun 15th 2016
2
what a minefield of terrible contracts
Jun 16th 2016
5
      Girardi I think is somewhat hindight, the others were terrible right awa...
Jun 16th 2016
11
Potential FAs: Intrigue surrounds Islanders
Jun 15th 2016
3
I'd give my left nut for Okposo (FA) or Shattenkirk (Trade)
Jun 16th 2016
6
      what you wanna give us for Shatty?
Jun 16th 2016
7
           Well, last time you took Brouwer
Jun 16th 2016
8
                It will take a lot to get Shattenkirk, 1st Rounder+First-tier prospect
Jun 16th 2016
9
The thing with Shattenkirk isn't now, it's later
Jun 16th 2016
10
They seem anxious to move him
Jun 16th 2016
12
      If they don't get the return they like, there's always the deadline
Jun 17th 2016
13
Flames hire a coach, Drouin to stay with Bolts, Goligoski to Arizona?
Jun 17th 2016
14
Vatanen re-ups in Anaheim. Vaya con dios, Magic Man (#13 forever!)
Jun 18th 2016
15
Is stamkos to the leafs a foregone conclusion?
Jun 18th 2016
16
      Tampa has the cap space to keep him this year
Jun 18th 2016
17
Andersen to Leafs, Yandle to Panthers?
Jun 20th 2016
18
Glad the Yandle trade never worked out for the Rangers
Jun 21st 2016
19
      he seemed like the right guy but he wasnt.
Jun 21st 2016
20
           they gave up a very good prospect
Jun 21st 2016
21
                Yeah I didn't like giving up Duclair, he is a bankable 30-goal guy
Jun 21st 2016
22
                     plus a 1st and a 2nd I believe
Jun 21st 2016
23
                          They thought he'd put them over the top
Jun 21st 2016
24
Vote on expansion is today
Jun 22nd 2016
25
Is that a request for humor?
Jun 22nd 2016
26
The Vegas expansion is a money grab based on a farce.
Jun 22nd 2016
27
I agree with this, but they seem in love with Vegas
Jun 22nd 2016
29
      I have 500 million reasons why, my friend.
Jun 22nd 2016
31
RE: Vote on expansion is today
Jun 23rd 2016
34
Goligoski signs, Lucic does not, Yandle has not yet.
Jun 22nd 2016
28
Las Vegas Black Knights? lol
Jun 22nd 2016
30
The owners are huge fans of Martin Lawrence
Jun 22nd 2016
32
It's the name of the owner's "Financial Company"
Jun 23rd 2016
35
      Ugh I didn't realize they were owned by ServiceLink
Jun 23rd 2016
37
Panthers replace Brian Campbell's suspect contract with Yandle's
Jun 23rd 2016
33
Milan Lucic headed to free agency
Jun 23rd 2016
36
He will have options. $6M should be what they expected to pay
Jun 23rd 2016
39
      we have a few good youngsters coming up
Jun 24th 2016
41
           I mean do they have NHL players in the system? Yes. Good ones? No.
Jun 24th 2016
43
Award Tour (c) (link)
Jun 23rd 2016
38
I think the picks were pretty obvious, zero surprises
Jun 23rd 2016
40
Caps win regular seasons
Jun 24th 2016
42
I think the Ducks will move Fowler on draft day.
Jun 24th 2016
44
Let the Shatty derby begin
Jun 24th 2016
45
goodbye Shatty...seems like only yesterday, you and Stewie...
Jun 24th 2016
46
      could get a pretty nice return
Jun 24th 2016
47
           I would trade Eberle for him easily
Jun 24th 2016
51
Shaw to MTL, Vanek bought out
Jun 24th 2016
48
Pretty good moves all around
Jun 24th 2016
52
i love Lars Eller
Jun 25th 2016
IMO the kind of player the Caps need
Jun 25th 2016
58
i love Lars Eller
Jun 25th 2016
55
      3C was a pretty big need, GMBM went out and solved something. Again.
Jun 26th 2016
61
           i dont think he will score much more but how he scores is good for him
Jun 26th 2016
62
                Niskanen and Alzner were shut down defense for a while there
Jun 27th 2016
63
                     Yeah I mean there were reasons for it
Jun 27th 2016
64
Daaaaaamn....Brian Elliot to Calgary for 35th pick...
Jun 24th 2016
49
Good deal for both teams really
Jun 24th 2016
50
They could have had Fleury for a first but that's a high pick
Jun 24th 2016
53
KENNY KEN DOES IT AGAIN!
Jun 24th 2016
54
pretty crap return for the coyotes
Jun 25th 2016
59
Kings make minor deals. Detroit moves Datsyuk's contract to pave way
Jun 25th 2016
56
IMO Stamkos situation basically comes down to Stamkos vs Bishop
Jun 25th 2016
57
Beau Bennett to Devils, Kulikov to Sabres
Jun 25th 2016
60
Forsberg, Domingue get extensions.
Jun 27th 2016
65
Okposo set to get serious cash
Jun 28th 2016
66
In an abstract sense, the Islanders want to be contenders
Jun 28th 2016
67
      Yeah but would you do $8M AAV for Okposo?
Jun 28th 2016
68
           I would but it would have to be intermediate term
Jun 28th 2016
73
a girl I work with...one of her bffs is married to Peitrangelo...
Jun 28th 2016
69
he can probably get a big pay day somewhere else
Jun 28th 2016
70
he wants 5 years
Jun 28th 2016
71
Elliott I am sure just didn't want to be in a platoon situation anymore.
Jun 28th 2016
74
got an extension on Brodziak...
Jun 28th 2016
72
Jackets lock up Seth Jones for 6 years/32 million...
Jun 29th 2016
75
Nice deal, cuts into two UFA years.
Jun 29th 2016
76
      haha
Jun 29th 2016
84
Tomas Hertl signs two-year, $6M extension with Sharks
Jun 29th 2016
77
PK Subban to Nashville for Shea Weber straight up (link)
Jun 29th 2016
78
I did not see that one coming. Bad deal for MTL if you ask me.
Jun 29th 2016
81
*buys Blues/Preds tickets*
Jun 29th 2016
82
BIG trade, Edmonton sends Hall to Jersey for Adam Larsson
Jun 29th 2016
79
Stamkos staying with the Lightning (unconfirmed)
Jun 29th 2016
80
It's confirmed, book it. He will stay 100%.
Jun 29th 2016
83
Stamkos confirms on twitter, nothing from the team yet.
Jun 29th 2016
88
crazy day!
Jun 29th 2016
85
make no mistake about it, edmonton was the big loser today
Jun 29th 2016
86
      ouch
Jun 29th 2016
87
One day til July 1, predict the winners and losers
Jun 30th 2016
89
I'll be salty as an amusement park pretzel and we lose Shatty and Cap
Jun 30th 2016
93
RE: One day til July 1, predict the winners and losers
Jul 01st 2016
128
I also suspect Chicago is cooking up something
Jun 30th 2016
90
Ladd eyeing Habs, Islanders among others
Jun 30th 2016
91
Letting Okposo walk to sign Ladd instead is typical broken logic
Jun 30th 2016
94
      I get the sense that maybe Okposo wanted to sign in Buffalo
Jul 01st 2016
111
Predictably a big round of buyouts today
Jun 30th 2016
92
Lightning might be SC favorites right now
Jun 30th 2016
95
They should win but we won't know shit til Game 60 or 65 like always
Jun 30th 2016
96
As expected, Campbell to Chicago. 1yr/$2M.
Jul 01st 2016
97
Frans Nielsen to the Wings, 6 year-deal. Best signing so far for sure
Jul 01st 2016
98
Andrew Ladd to the Ises lol lol lol
Jul 01st 2016
99
Backes to Boston for ONE YEAR? Unconfirmed. Heard this a moment ago
Jul 01st 2016
100
Eriksson to Vancouver 6 years $36M
Jul 01st 2016
101
David Backes to Boston, yes, but deal is for FIVE years, $30M
Jul 01st 2016
102
damn, she was right....every time she tells us something, it happens
Jul 01st 2016
104
      yeah she was out in front of it though the day after you posted ...
Jul 01st 2016
109
Okposo to Sabres 7 years $42M, wow
Jul 01st 2016
103
$6M a year?
Jul 01st 2016
130
David Perron back....2/7.5
Jul 01st 2016
105
I like him over Brouwer, especially at half the term
Jul 01st 2016
114
Brouwer got his bread....gone to the Flames for 4/18
Jul 01st 2016
106
i'm sure the blues were "K. Bye." too much money for him
Jul 01st 2016
113
too much money
Jul 01st 2016
129
Jake Allen signs 4 year extension
Jul 01st 2016
107
Eric Staal to Minnesota
Jul 01st 2016
108
Low-risk signing to fill a need. Thought I posted it but I guess not
Jul 01st 2016
112
Hedman signs 8/$63M extension, Stevie Y love fest continues
Jul 01st 2016
110
Matt Martin to the Leafs, 4 yrs/$10M
Jul 01st 2016
115
Wings also sign Vanek, Ott to one-year deals
Jul 01st 2016
116
damn...the Otter was a good dude...he and his wife were really visible.....
Jul 01st 2016
121
      yeah but i think they thought he was done
Jul 01st 2016
127
Dale Wiese to the Flyers 4/$9.4M
Jul 01st 2016
117
Hamhuis to Dallas, 2 years/$3.75M
Jul 01st 2016
118
Grabner and Gerbe to the Rags on cheap, one-year deal
Jul 01st 2016
119
Kings sign Tom Gilbert, Devils sign Ben Lovejoy
Jul 01st 2016
120
RE: Kings sign Tom Gilbert, Devils sign Ben Lovejoy
Jul 02nd 2016
131
      McNabb is not a first pairing D, you're right
Jul 02nd 2016
132
Boedker to Sharks, 4/$16M.
Jul 01st 2016
122
Lee Stempniak to the Canes, 2/$5M
Jul 01st 2016
123
Matt Cullen is still out there, I am thinking Minnesota for him
Jul 01st 2016
124
Kris Russell might be the top guy left on the board
Jul 01st 2016
125
Panthers ink Aaron Ekblad to eight-year extension
Jul 01st 2016
126
Panthers continue to bulk up defense, sign Demers 5/$22.5M
Jul 02nd 2016
133
Habs sign Radulov to one-year deal
Jul 02nd 2016
134
I don't think he is better than Panarin
Jul 02nd 2016
135

ConcreteCharlie
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1. "Seems premature but I did send out three fantasy trade proposals already"
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Wed Jun-15-16 09:34 PM by ConcreteCharlie

  

          

so people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones because they risk having boulders crash down on their lovely homes (c) big ace.

i think it's too early to make a lot of predictions but i guess i will try some. i think stamkos is gone from tampa and the best they can hope for is that he zeroes in on a team and they trade his negotiating rights for a pick. i frankly don't think they should pay him what he can command on the open market; they will need that money to keep their team together. they have a lot of guys under team control who are good. break the bank for hedman later.

blackhawks managed to dump bickell's salary. 2nd/3rd plus a cap dump is a decent haul for teravainen but they are pretty unlikely to replace him with either pick. pretty talented player. nice move by ron francis, they have too many picks to make them all. i suspect we will see them dealing for more young roster players and also consolidating picks (trading up) in the next two years. basically they will stockpile cheap contracts and prospects while the status of the franchise is determined. they got a good deal here because bickell helps them to the cap floor and can actually dress for them probably, obviously tervainen is the prize here as a talented young player with a low salary. nice deal by francis, realizing there weren't many other teams in a position to take bickell's salary on and the ones that were didn't necessarily have a stockpile of picks. i imagine buffalo is the team that pushed the price to where it got.

lots of rumors about the coyotes wanting the No. 1 pick and being willing to overpay for it. could be the usual toronto b.s. they do have pieces that could make it worth the leafs' while but i doubt anything comes of it.

coaching hires i guess have been interesting. minnesota is about to improve considerably under boudreau. he is a better coach then they have had since lemaire and maybe the best one they have had period. lots of players who are coming into their own there, guys like coyle and dumba that are on the verge of making their presence felt.

i didn't like the carlyle hire in anaheim but they didn't have a ton of options. obviously the core guys who played under him were on board with it. we shall see, i don't like re-hiring the same guy, personally, but i also don't think the in-house candidates were very strong. carlyle scouted the team pretty often since the leafs fired him and obviously he had a number of these guys (perry, getzlaf, fowler) previously.

expansion is coming to vegas, which i have known months and should have been obvious to anyone paying attention. i don't think expansion into a canadian market is viable rather i think quebec city (and any other destination like hamilton) will get a relocated team. let's face it, at some point something has to give with some of these struggling franchises. the panthers have new ownership and are making a push. the coyotes have new management but can't get much traction. the hurricanes are emerging as the team maybe most likely to bolt. something strikes me as perverse about the old whalers becoming the new nordiques.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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4. "f-cking expansion draft"
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Caps gonna lose a player or two I'm real sad about.

Early predictions are having to choose between Karl Alzner and Dmitry Orlov.

  

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2. "Guys who will get bought out."
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Obviously Cowen will be bought out and I think teams will have interest. Still a big body who could improve his game. When you're small, you have to prove you can play. When you're big, you have to prove you can't. In Nashville, Eric Nystrom is almost pretty certain to get bought out, unless some team miraculously offers something for him.

Everyone thought Bickell would be bought out. I don't think Carolina will. They are pretty thread bare in terms of salaries, though I guess they have some big-ticket guys still.

Jim Nill said no when asked about buying out one or both of his goalies. Seems ridiculous to me. They absolutely need to solidify themselves in goal. Keep one veteran, get a young guy who is the future. Cannot bank on Campbell. There are good young goalies stuck in log jams now. They cann't afford to spend close to $11M on these two guys again next year, cmon.

The Panthers dumped Savard's contract on the Devils, which is a sign to me that they are going to start worrying about the cap ceiling and not the floor now. Dave Bolland will get bought out, I think, or dumped on some team looking to hit the floor preferably. His contract is pretty terrible and he doesn't play.

Andrew Ference I suspect will just run out the string in Edmonton. No huge urgency to buy him out though they would if they could. Probably cannot pass a physical (which is a requirement for a buyout).

I do not think Vanek will be bought out or at least I consider a huge mistake to buy him out. For this year alone they are unlikely to find a more talented player and even if he sucks, which I don't think he will, they just get the cap space free and clear next year. He was pretty good under Yeo, the coaching change and injuries set him back. He is somewhat of a lackadaisical player in some areas (always has been) and that doesn't fly when you aren't putting up big numbers. But a new system and a contract year--he has always loved money--seem like a recipe for rebound. It's tempting to cut him and get the $6.5M in cap space, but again I don't know if they can land anyone better and the experiment costs them nothing, in fact they gain $1M in space for next year when he walks.

If Philly were smart they would keep cutting. They dumped most of Schenn and Lecavalier's money, now it's time for R.J. Umberger and Andrew MacDonald both to go. I would seriously consider trading Mark Streit, though if the value isn't there there is no rush. He will have value at the deadline if healthy and for now he helps their team as a power-play specialist and mentor to some young guys they have on D.

Dustin Brown is an intriguing one. I think stripping him of the captaincy was a mistake unless they are going to buy him out, frankly. It is not a wakeup call or anything else, he understood his responsibilities and delivered on them even if he wasn't scoring many goals. They cannot trade him, realistically speaking. His buyout would be costly though. I think they will keep him and hope he gets taken in the expansion draft, which he probably will not be. I also think Lombardi is loyal to Brown. Some have compared this to the Mike Richards situation. That is bullshit, totally distinct set of circumstances, and Lombardi's misplaced loyalty there will not factor into this decision. The Kings suddenly find themselves in a tough position. They have several needs and money to fill maybe one of them.

You have to figure both Calgary and Vancouver will be looking to clean house. Burrows, Wideman, Higgins, maybe Ryan Miller (not likely) are among the guys I think could get the ax.

The Blue Jackets also might be filling out some pink slips. Clarkson has been as trashy as any critic expected. Their defense corps has a lot of holes, Tyutin seems like the most likely buyout. I could see them moving Jack Johnson, but more likely in a trade.

Another interesting one is Dan Giradi. With four years left, it's a costly buyout. Can he bounce back from what seems to be a pretty steady decline? This guy has blocked a lot of shots and played physical for his size. I don't see the rush though, unless they plan on re-signing Yandle and sticking with him. It's a tough call, same thing with Eric Staal who certainly didn't earn his money there last year. If they let all three guys go, those are pretty big holes in the lineup.

I think Lupul may be bought out, the Leafs I am sure intend to go all in for Stamkos and if not they may court other wings like Eriksson and Boedker. Lupul is injured all the time and definitely not part of the long-term outlook.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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5. "what a minefield of terrible contracts"
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Clarkson, MacDonald, Girardi

yikes

  

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11. "Girardi I think is somewhat hindight, the others were terrible right awa..."
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and then they just got worse.

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3. "Potential FAs: Intrigue surrounds Islanders"
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I do think what are considered by some to be the two top FAs in terms of salary commanded will hit the market, Stamkos and Eriksson, but I am much more interested in what the Islanders do. They have both Okposo and Nielsen up for free agency. I think either would be an excellent addition to just about any team. Okposo is a bona fide top-six winger with a 60-point floor for a full season IMO. Nielsen is the kind of two-way center any team would benefit from having, and he is also very good in shootouts.

I suspect the Avs will lose Boedker. He has a chance at a very lucrative contract. He turned down $5.5M per, a clear indicator he wants more. I always liked him but I am not sure I would break the bank for him. He hasn't evolved defensively the way I would have expected. On the right team I think he could improve his offensive output considerably, he has wheels and hands, very good at making plays at full speed. I could see a team offering him a lot of money, 5/35M. I don't see that team being the Avs.

I think the Kings will retain Lucic. He likes it in L.A., their style of play suits his game and I think they will make a competitive offer. The bigger money is always tempting but my bet is that they keep him, especially given that they invested quite a bit in him last summer.

Backes will stay in St Louis, zero doubt in my mind, really.

Eric Staal is an odd one. What is his real value? I could see him signing a heavy deal with a very short term, maybe with a competitive team that has cap space to burn. He would be an interesting fit on Florida, for example, and make them deep at center. Maybe Arizona would take a look, it depends where they are with the floor. He could be a big-ticket addition with limited commitment and a guy to tutor guys such as Domi, Dvorak and Strome. I can't see him getting big money over a long term, but I also think there will be enough demand for a shorter deal that he won't end up signing either a longer deal at moderate money or a short deal for cheap to chase a Cup.

Ladd will probably bounce, I wouldn't pay him any big pile of money and Chicago doesn't really have it to spend. Even if they end up getting it, it would be better spent elsewhere. Someone will overpay on the open market.

Brouwer I also think is gone, he probably reinvigorated his career with that playoff performance so someone will overpay him also.

I could see Dallas re-signing Kris Russell. They were high on him when they brought him in and paid a decent price. They have the money and a decent role for him. I also think they will re-sign Demers. Goligoski's return probably depends on his expectations in terms of his contract. Their problems last year were on the back end and they might have the flexibility to change a lot of it. There isn't much out there in free agency though. You have a lot of faces from the past two trade deadlines (Yandle, Pollak, Schenn, et al) that they passed on. They do have some promising prospects on defense though, not so much in goal.

Brian Campbell is an interesting one. He came off a huge contract, does he want to cash in one last time or does he want to pursue the Cup one last time? I wouldn't be overly interested in him at any sort of high price, personally.

Lee Stempniak is the consummate journeyman and a solid pro. I hope he gets a shot with a good team this time instead of being a bridge player for a bad one like usual.

I would not touch Teddy Purcell. Not all that reliable of a scorer and doesn't do much else. Panthers will let him walk, I think they may try to keep Hudler though. I would take a look at Hudler for the right terms; he won't replicate his numbers from two years ago but he brings skill to the table anyway.

Radim Vrbata could be a steal for someone. Pretty much zero chance he is back in Vancouver. When healthy, he can still put the puck in the net. Same thing with Hamhuis, seems to be snakebit but can play when he is good to go. Vrbata I think has a decent chance of going to a good team and making an impact as a relative bargain.

David Perron is another guy like that. I kind of suspect Anaheim will re-sign him. They are one of the more fascinating teams this offseason. They made a lot of minor moves last year and pretty much fucked up every single one of them.

Who cares what happens to Luke Schenn? The Kings might be desperate enough to re-sign him. He is slow and definitely in for a pay cut.

Jamie McGinn is the opposite, a guy who seems like he can play intermittently but then gets hurt and/or disappears. I could see Anaheim bringing him back, but a lot of this will now be evaluated by Carlyle. Some team might luck out with him but I doubt it.


Dale Weise is a gamer and a big body. Some team will be fortunate to add him as I don't know if Chicago can afford him, even though he won't make a ton of money (relative to his role he will be well paid).

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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6. "I'd give my left nut for Okposo (FA) or Shattenkirk (Trade)"
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but I doubt the Caps can make either work.

  

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7. "what you wanna give us for Shatty?"
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8. "Well, last time you took Brouwer"
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so um, how about Chimera and Mike Richards, lol. Actually both are UFAs anyway.

A 2nd round pick and a defensive prospect like Madison Bowey? or a forward prospect like Jakub Vrana.

Shatty is only 27? I'd consider Orlov.

  

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9. "It will take a lot to get Shattenkirk, 1st Rounder+First-tier prospect"
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10. "The thing with Shattenkirk isn't now, it's later"
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I think Paryako could be come their PP quarterback, Hitchcock has said it. Backes I think will not bend them over for open-market price. Those others guys can stay or go, it won't make or break the long-term situation. But Shattenkirk is a guy who could save them a little now and save them a lot later--his next contract will be big-- and also get good return. They do have a replacement lined up for him. It's risky though. I think they are weakening a big strength of their team for now. I would definitely trade him East, too. Boston, naturally, is in many of these rumors.

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12. "They seem anxious to move him"
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which seems dumb

  

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13. "If they don't get the return they like, there's always the deadline"
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I think now seems better though because the draft is nearer and roughly as many teams have room, especially since no one is going to pick him up as a rental. The idea will be to have him long term, otherwise the price is too high.

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14. "Flames hire a coach, Drouin to stay with Bolts, Goligoski to Arizona?"
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If you told me Glen Gulutzan and SmutsBoy were cousins, I would believe you. Seems like a good dude who didn't get much of an opportunity in Dallas. He hasn't exactly been aboard a buoyant ship in Vancouver either. This has been rumored for a while. I thought they might go with a first-time head coach--lots of up and comers--but this is kind of a happy medium between that and a retread. I think all 30 teams have coaches now.

Drouin formally withdrew his trade request, not that it wasn't evidence that the two sides had kissed and made up already.

The Coyotes paid the modest price of a fifth-round pick for the negotiating rights to Alex Goligoski. I am not surprised he was the odd man out in Dallas, even though he was pretty productive during the regular season and playoffs. They definitely want to shape their D corps in a way that adds defensive stability, even if it's at the cost of some points.

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15. "Vatanen re-ups in Anaheim. Vaya con dios, Magic Man (#13 forever!)"
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Sami Vatanen re-signs in Anaheim, pretty reasonable deal at four years and about $5M per. He is a player with such potential, always working on his strength and defensive game and blessed with great instincts and speed going the other way. I feel like they were better off when they had Beauchemin and Lovejoy but this Ducks group is still very promising, especially Vatanen and Lindholm.

Pavel Datsyuk made it official, he is headed home to Russia. The Wings instantly become players in the Stamkos sweepstakes and any other peripheral competition for top free agents. Datsyuk is probably the most entertaining player I have ever seen. He didn't quite have the power of Forsberg but he had all the imagination and creativity, maybe more. Just a brilliant player who could do things with his sticks and his skates that few others could, and he put all his tools in a very tidy box. That all jumped out at me right away 15 years ago, but over the course of his career his defensive game became absolutely superlative. I think this guy is the mark by which all his peers should be measured, including guys who are considered "better" by many like Crosby and Toews. He was a complete player and there was never a dull moment with him on the ice.

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16. "Is stamkos to the leafs a foregone conclusion?"
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Or is it the red wings? Not sure how Tampa keeps him

  

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17. "Tampa has the cap space to keep him this year"
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I think it's more the long-term outlook of what a huge ass contract would do. They have Kucherov and Killorn as RFAs this year and they could conceivably sign both and Stamkos. They'd be right at the ceiling then though. Hedman is a UFA next year. Johnson will need to get paid soon. If it were me personally in Yzerman's position I would get creative. Tailor a deal for him that is 100% to his liking but not totally ridiculous, give him a no-movement clause that takes effect next year. That gives him what he wants and you can trade him, get some real assets in return from one of these teams. Just an idea, but probably not a real possibility.

Detroit probably needs to move Datsyuk's contract to be a real player in the sweepstakes. I would say it's maybe 50/50, not too many teams looking to hit the floor but never underestimate some franchises' ability to cheap out. We will see after buyouts are all done what's what.

I would expect Toronto, Buffalo and Calgary all to make big runs at Stamkos. Not a very attractive list of suitors maybe but the good teams don't have the money generally. I don't think he'd be interested in Dallas but that's an interesting possibility, imagine the firepower they would have.

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18. "Andersen to Leafs, Yandle to Panthers?"
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The Leafs get Frederik Andersen for #30 overall plus a second rounder next year. Nice buy for a legit starter. He has had injuries but nothing chronic, fluky stuff. You have to figure Calgary offered more but Bob Murray did not want to trade him within the West. Might the Flames now court Jonathan Bernier? I highly doubt he plays next season in Toronto. Time for both parties to move on. One year, a little over $4M on his deal, not a bad reclamation project.

The Rangers, as expected, will not re-sign Keith Yandle. They traded his negotiating rights to Florida. I expect the Panthers will sign him. They are shopping Kulikov now. Campbell's status is uncertain but either way he won't play forever. Yandle would be a nice addition for them. I still believe in this guy. Some guys are not cut out to play in New York, Toronto, etc. Going to Florida will be a lot like playing for the Coyotes, where he thrived.

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19. "Glad the Yandle trade never worked out for the Rangers"
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as I expected.

  

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20. "he seemed like the right guy but he wasnt."
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let's also not underestimate that he never quite slotted in right because other parts of their D were deteriorating. boyle was basically dead on his skates and girardi fell off a fucking cliff. macdonagh was even banged up. i think he will be good for florida and they do need to mix it up a little.

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21. "they gave up a very good prospect"
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It was a poor use of assets.

  

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22. "Yeah I didn't like giving up Duclair, he is a bankable 30-goal guy"
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He is one of those guys who came into his own after his draft year, should have been a higher pick.

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23. "plus a 1st and a 2nd I believe"
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terrible trade, then and now.

  

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24. "They thought he'd put them over the top"
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Boston made a run at him, too, teams must have been offering similar packages. Then again there is often a line to make a mistake, especially at the trade deadline.

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25. "Vote on expansion is today"
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I still don't see why they need to expand. You've got a team in Arizona that's about to lose it's arena, why not just move them a few hours north to Vegas (as opposed to sending the Coyotes back to the Suns building and it's awful hockey sightlines?) That way there's still an even number of teams and you won't need to realign.

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26. "Is that a request for humor?"
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or an actual question about something Bettman is trying to do?

Remember, we're talking about the guy who added franchises to a desert and a place called Sunrise, Florida.

  

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27. "The Vegas expansion is a money grab based on a farce."
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The 13,200 pledged season ticket number is an outright lie. They have exactly ZERO in reality. That number counts partial season strips and the commitments were made with the assumption that they would begin play in 2016-2017. Thanks to the process being delayed, those are all null and void. Vegas is still a modest-sized market with few locals. People saying it will fit into the "show business" atmosphere of Vegas don't understand how the economics of sports work or that most seats are relatively expensive compared with the sort of established shows people see in Vegas. It is a horrible idea. I have had people try to convince me otherwise and none of their arguments hold even an ounce of weight. Not only should they not expand to Vegas, they shouldn't relocate to Vegas and they shouldn't expand period.

Want a prediction? The Hurricanes will be in Quebec City within five years.

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29. "I agree with this, but they seem in love with Vegas"
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>It is a horrible idea. I have had
>people try to convince me otherwise and none of their
>arguments hold even an ounce of weight. Not only should they
>not expand to Vegas, they shouldn't relocate to Vegas and they
>shouldn't expand period.

And if they're going to go there anyway, why not at least end the shitshow in Arizona?

Expansion vote was apparently unanimous, so get ready for a 31 team league!

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31. "I have 500 million reasons why, my friend."
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Expansion is favorable to relocation for the $500M fee. It's as simple as that. I think the Canes will move before the Coyotes. The Coyotes and Panthers both got new ownership recently. The Canes will probably sell soon and likely to a group looking to relocate. The Quebec City bid didn't get any traction because of these realities. The league knows that paying nearly $650M CDN would put a small-market Canadian franchise in a big hole, and they want the venue as a plan B for whatever flailing franchise fails first. My money is on Carolina.

The Vegas thing is embarrassing, frankly. Apart from the logistical disaster of a hockey team in the 110-degree heat of a city with a transient population, you have the whole gaming thing. The NBA kicked the tires on Vegas and passed. Some people think the NFL will go there and I don't get why. This says people don't give enough of a fuck about professional hockey for us to be concerned with integrity or scandal. It makes the NHL look very minor-league in addition to being a bad decision.

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34. "RE: Vote on expansion is today"
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http://www.fieldofschemes.com/2016/06/23/11266/las-vegas-gets-nhl-team-clearly-anyone-with-a-500m-check-can-have-one/

Posted on June 23, 2016 by Neil deMause

As expected, the NHL announced yesterday that it will add an expansion franchise in Las Vegas in 2017, leading to celebration in that city and lots of derisive snorts from people who’ve noted that there are at least half a dozen bigger markets without NHL teams, most of which have a stronger history of hockey support than Vegas. (Seriously, Hartford has more TV households than Las Vegas.) What they don’t have, as I discussed last night in an article for Vice Sports, is a bunch of rich guys willing to sign a $500 million expansion fee check (at least not $500 million in U.S. dollars), and since the rich guys in question include one Florida financier and two Maloofs, there’s at least some suspicion that this is more an attempt to get into the NHL club than a long-term commitment to Las Vegas.

As for the arena angle, the new team (possibly to be called the Black Knights after owner Bill Foley’s financial company, but that’s yet to be decided) will play in T-Mobile Arena, which was privately built by MGM and AEG as part of Vegas’s arena land rush, and which is all new and shiny and apparently exciting to NHL bigwigs. What I haven’t been able to find any record of, probably because it’s a transaction between two private parties, is how much Foley and the Maloofs will be paying the arena as part of their lease, or how long the lease is for, all of which will have a huge impact on the team’s profitability, and on whether the Vegas franchise ends up there for the long haul or follows the Atlanta Thrashers into the long NHL history of failed experiments.

As for cities that didn’t get a team this time around, NHL commissioner Gary Bettman left the door wide open for further expansion, particularly citing the strength of the Quebec application, which was unfortunately undermined by the weakness of the Canadian dollar. Given the glut of billionaires compared to the limited number of major pro sports franchises, the NHL is clearly interested in following MLS’s lead and cashing in on expansion fees while the cashing is good — so if you have half a billion dollars burning a hole in your pocket and a desire to watch hockey from the owner’s box, give them a ring.

  

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28. "Goligoski signs, Lucic does not, Yandle has not yet."
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Goligoski getting 5.5M and 5 years is not a good deal but it's better than some recent UFA contracts. They had to compete with the open market because he was a few days away from it. Not sure if I like this signing for Arizona, who has to be very judicious with big contracts. Hopefully it doesn't mean they are angling to trade Ekman Larsson. This is where they spent the savings from Boedker's cap dump, I guess.

As I expected the Kings were not able to sign Milan Lucic and he will become an FA July 1. I expect both parties to continue communicating, the Kings want him and he does like it there. However I think the open-market money will be too much to compete with. This is Lucic's chance for the real big pay day, no way can they sell him on taking less for a team that, while it's very good, seems to be drifting further from being a top-tier contender.

I think Goligoski's signing makes it more likely that Yandle hits the FA market. I also think the price being so low for his negotiating rights indicates he wanted to test the market anyway.

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30. "Las Vegas Black Knights? lol"
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why not just go with Knights? you already have the Black Hawks and you are gonna end up calling them the Vegas Knights anyway.

anyway, good to see another hockey team in the desert. need another success story to rival that of the Coyotes.

  

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32. "The owners are huge fans of Martin Lawrence"
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35. "It's the name of the owner's "Financial Company""
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as American as apple pie and sub prime mortgage fraud.

  

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37. "Ugh I didn't realize they were owned by ServiceLink"
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I work in IT and they have one the worst reputations as a company for their employees in the industry.

How nice of them to spend all that money on an NHL team too.

  

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33. "Panthers replace Brian Campbell's suspect contract with Yandle's"
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Seven years at 44.5M total for Yandle. Paid open market price pretty much, less per annum but a longer term. He is 29 years old. This deal has him signed through age 36. Six years of no-movement clause is the kicker to me. The deal I could swallow maybe but I would have given him a limited NTC at most. I think they will regret this contract but at the same time the ownership showed it was serious and they did fill a need here. Still pretty poor terms.

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36. "Milan Lucic headed to free agency"
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couldnt get a deal done with the Kings. Wonder what team shitty team is going to pay his asking price? What contenders actually have room for a 6 million dollar a year wing?

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39. "He will have options. $6M should be what they expected to pay"
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He was just making $4.75M on his last deal and he is a UFA. Not sure where Lombardi thought this guy was taking a hometown discount or where he's had any luck at all with those sorts of deals. Those are for guys in their 30s, not their prime. This is the biggest contract Looch is going to sign in his career, he wasn't going to take a deal like Gaborik's. And Gaborik's deal sucks for the Kings. Lombardi now knows why he took it. I have to say that I am pretty restless about the future of these two SoCal teams. I don't like the way the Ducks are dicking around when they just needed minor adjustments to get over the hump. The Kings have backed themselves into a corner despite getting huge breaks (Richards voided deal, for example, no cost from the Voynov fallout, etc). The big thing I see is that the Kings haven't drafted very well either, and of course they traded a lot of their picks, which I understand. If they let Lucic walk, they are paper thin. They are real solid in goal, top two centers and top D, everything else is a little iffy or out of place.

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41. "we have a few good youngsters coming up"
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Mersch, Dowd, Gravel, Forbort, and Kempe. I think Mersch can and should be on the roster next season. Maybe even start giving Forbort some minutes on the blue line. He cant be worse than McNabb or Mcbain were last saeson. We can win games with our offense. Our blue line is where we are struggling. McNabb regressed last season. He definitely needs to get better. But Schenn was solid. Hopefully Greene comes back healthy this year.

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43. "I mean do they have NHL players in the system? Yes. Good ones? No."
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Kempe might be legit but these guys are all role players at the top level. I don't even see the point in developing those guys unless they are going to be perfect at what they do. You can get their veteran equivalent for the same money as soon as their ELCs are up. They basically said fuck the future, we wanna keep this group together. It worked for a second Cup so hard to question it, but now they have to face the reality that there is work to be done if they want to get back to that point. They dealt picks and some of the ones they made busted. They took Gibson when they had zero need for goaltending and now two or three teams later he might be all right. They traded up to get Zykov and he was essentially a disappointment.

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38. "Award Tour (c) (link)"
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Kane ran away and hid with the Hart. Thought Parayko would get more votes for the Calder.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/2016-nhl-award-winners-analysis-and-reactions/

  

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40. "I think the picks were pretty obvious, zero surprises"
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Calder would have been interesting if Ghost had played a full season but he didn't. Paryako was good at the start and kind of at the end, didn't do shit in the middle really.


Doughty I thought was more worthy of the Norris last year but whatever he is the best DMan in the league so I have no problem with him winning the award whenever.

Similarly you could say Kesler should have edged out Kopi for the Selke but Kopitar was also excellent. He was due to win one. Thornton I thought should have been a finalist this year, he was good defensively. I am hoping Couturier wins one of these eventually; oddly he may have to score more points to do it. He is a solid shutdown guy that doesn't always get his due.

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42. "Caps win regular seasons"
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like the R*dskins win off seasons.

  

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44. "I think the Ducks will move Fowler on draft day."
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I am not sure how about I feel about this. From a personal standpoint, I hate it. Fowler, like other guys who have come through the organization recently, is a very high-character person who works hard at his profession. He's very honest, very supportive of his teammates, he knows his limitations and he knows his strengths. Great guy for any locker room and a player with a lot of tools. He eats minutes for them and is very sound positionally, also very good on breakouts and moves the puck smartly in general.

But at the same time I think the Mr Nice Guy act is over in Anaheim and they want guys with that killer instinct in there. He doesn't have that. He will never be a physical defenseman either, though I don't think he has to be to be very successful. On one hand, I could write an impassioned defense of him and conclude it by saying replacing him will not be easy, hell it probably won't even be possible. But on the other, at the end of the year when I was running through guys they could move to change the makeup and get value back, his name was the first one that popped into my head. Whoever gets him is getting a good asset, we are talking about a good contract for a player entering his prime who is already proven in a big role. That should fetch a nice haul.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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45. "Let the Shatty derby begin"
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/kevin-shattenkirk-derby-could-be-nhl-draft-day-s-costliest-145631215.html

  

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46. "goodbye Shatty...seems like only yesterday, you and Stewie..."
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came over for Erik Johnson and Jay McClement.

  

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47. "could get a pretty nice return"
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per twitter:

Source: #stlblues and #oilers in talks about Shattenkirk. Oilers offering Nugent-Hopkins; Blues asking price: Taylor Hall or Jordan Eberle.

  

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51. "I would trade Eberle for him easily"
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48. "Shaw to MTL, Vanek bought out"
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Lars Eller to the Caps to be the 3C. I dig it.

  

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52. "Pretty good moves all around"
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Shaw brings the assholeness that the Habs lack, Eller is a nice addition in that role and the Wild like to spend on FAs so might as well free up that money. I still think Vanek is a contract year is nice to have, but maybe they want to spend the money on D.

Pretty light day of trading but I guess some of the bigger names didn't really swirl around the draft.

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"i love Lars Eller"


  

          

happy

  

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58. "IMO the kind of player the Caps need"
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He is a pretty good passer and pretty good at digging around the net.

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55. "i love Lars Eller"
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happy

  

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61. "3C was a pretty big need, GMBM went out and solved something. Again."
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great two way player, if he ups his offensive output with talented wingers it will be gravy.

Ovi-Backstrom-Oshie
Galiev/Bura-Kuzy-Bura/JW
MoJo-Eller-Williams
Winnik-Beagle-Wilson-Latta

2nd line wingers can be flexible, moving MoJo and Justin Williams around as necessary. Plus maybe we'll see some offensive development from Tom Wilson one of these days. He's still got potential, IMO.

  

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62. "i dont think he will score much more but how he scores is good for him"
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he scores timely goals and he scores ugly goals. that will help them a lot. i think this was a more realistic goal that trying to improve the defense with a big signing or trade. not much on the market, which means what is there is overpriced. i don't really think they have a personnel problem there, they just had everyone except carlson fuck up a little here or there.

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63. "Niskanen and Alzner were shut down defense for a while there"
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dominating Giroux's line and then Crosby's, until Alzner re-tore his groin (which had been partially torn all season).

The problem was Orpik sucking, and then during his suspension we had no one to replace him on the 2nd pair.

And as we've discussed, the Caps 3rd pair (Schmidt & Orlov who are very young), absolutely shit the bed in the playoffs.

I'm not terribly worried about it but I'm not sure how it will shake out this year. Maybe Orpik ends up on the third pair and Orlov (who has tons of potential) steps up to the 2nd pair.

Or they trade for a 2nd pair veteran d-man at the deadline.

  

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64. "Yeah I mean there were reasons for it"
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Orpik hurt then suspended, Alzner hurt, third pairing guys having their roles extended, etc. But in the end 4/6 guys didn't give them what they needed consistently. I don't think they need to make personnel changes either unless there is a sort of analytics acquisition out there, someone in a situation where they could be playing more and aren't because of depth. Not too many guys like that on D, where you need seasoning and also prices are high for anyone who can play at all.

Like I said at the end of the playoffs, I'd be comfortable bringing back the same group if I were them. They were dominant during the year and they were close during the playoffs.

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49. "Daaaaaamn....Brian Elliot to Calgary for 35th pick..."
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and a conditional 3rd round pick.

  

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50. "Good deal for both teams really"
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StL had a glut of goalies, and Calgary desperately needed a starting caliber goalie.

  

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53. "They could have had Fleury for a first but that's a high pick"
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And Fleury makes more money, too.

This fills a need at a reasonable price and they aren't locked up forever. Elliott and Ortio is an OK tandem, I guess. It's a shame that this is the end of the line for Moose in St Louis but long term Allen makes more sense.

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54. "KENNY KEN DOES IT AGAIN!"
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Moved Datsyuk's $7.5M cap hit in exchange for swapping down from 16 to 20...and we got a 2nd rounder

Gonna make a serious run at Stamkos i would assume

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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59. "pretty crap return for the coyotes"
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who the hell were they competing against? giving up a second to move up four slots is a little rough even if you are not taking a shitty contract. i guess they dump $1.1M on Detroit and not get a big chunk of cap hit that they have to pay $0 on. it wasn't so much bidding against someone else but what this meant financially to them.

ah well. i am interested to see what the wings to in free agency. obviously the wings, sabres and leafs are going to be active, probably minnesota, too.

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56. "Kings make minor deals. Detroit moves Datsyuk's contract to pave way"
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I figured the Wings would find a taker and it's no surprise that it's the Coyotes. The league should put some sort of stop to this, frankly. If these teams want to hit the cap floor, they should make legitimate deals for guys with one kinda bloated year left on their deal. Wouldn't the Coyotes be served better by say Mark Streit or Thomas Vanek than they would be by a guy who won't play one game?

I get that they don't have to pay Pronger and Datsyuk and that is why they did it but that seems like a weak ass loophole. They closed loopholes for the wealthy teams (ridiculously structured contracts, stashing guys in the AHL) now it's time to close them for the struggling teams.

The Kings signed Trevor Lewis to a four-year extension. Good pro, good PK guy, always clutch in the playoffs. They also traded for Jack Campbell. Big disappointment for Dallas moving him for a bleh defense prospect. This guy was supposed to be a stud and apart from like half a season he has been a dud. Decent reclamation for the Kings, who suddenly found themselves with shit for goaltending depth. Campbell should have every opportunity to be their guy in Ontario this year.

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57. "IMO Stamkos situation basically comes down to Stamkos vs Bishop"
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If they are willing to cheap out in net, Tampa might be able to pull this off. I get the sense that Stamkos would like to stay in Tampa if their offer is competitive. That could be pretty difficult though as Toronto and Detroit are both going to make huge offers. Tough call for Yzerman. Like I have said all along, if I were him I would hook Stamkos up with whatever deal he wanted and an NMC that kicked in in year two. Trade him and get a good asset in return. LeBrun asked him and he said something initially vague but seemingly clear to the effect of "I haven't though about it, but I guess I'd prefer to get an asset." In other words, he has thought about it and he would try it if it becomes apparent they are going to lose him/can't afford him.

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60. "Beau Bennett to Devils, Kulikov to Sabres"
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Slightly surprised that Boston didn't go after Kulikov given the price but makes sense for the Sabres. I like Bennett to the Devils. If he can stay healthy he gives them a talented player not yet in his prime at a reasonable price. I think he was just a casualty of a tight cap and some role guys stepping up in Pittsburgh.

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65. "Forsberg, Domingue get extensions."
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Six years and $36M for Forsberg to stay in Nashville. He was an RFA or it would have been more money. Domingue, an unlikely pro success last year, gets two more years from the Coyotes and a good chance to be their starter again.

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66. "Okposo set to get serious cash"
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Kinda weird how free agency plays out. Islanders are/want to be contenders and they're letting him walk. Meanwhile other contenders might be able to make the room to sign him.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/everybody-wants-some-kyle-okposo-in-2016-nhl-free-agency-155751267.html

  

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67. "In an abstract sense, the Islanders want to be contenders"
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In a real sense, they don't really seem to give a shit.

I would love to have Okposo on Philly. Honestly I think he is the prize of the FA market, given that Stamkos wants to stay if possible and will command an obscene sum of money if he doesn't. I would definitely prefer Okposo to Lucic or paying Eriksson until he is middle-aged.

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68. "Yeah but would you do $8M AAV for Okposo?"
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I love that guy, he brings basically everything you could want in a non-super star, but that is a lot of cash.

  

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73. "I would but it would have to be intermediate term"
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Four years, $32M? Yes

My money is on him landing in Minnesota.

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69. "a girl I work with...one of her bffs is married to Peitrangelo..."
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and he allegedly said that Backes is gone...she hinted that Elliot asked to leave a couple days before he got traded, so...we'll see.

  

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70. "he can probably get a big pay day somewhere else"
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The Blues can spend that money better than on a 32 yo, even if he's the captain.

  

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71. "he wants 5 years"
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74. "Elliott I am sure just didn't want to be in a platoon situation anymore."
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Backes is a tough call. Yes, signing him until he is 37 sounds risky but he is right to ask for it. You have other teams doing it with similar guys (e.g. Ryan Kesler, Kopitar both signed til age 36) and some other team will do it for him. I don't know that letting your captain walk in free agency is the right message to send to a team that was awfully fucking close to the finals this year. If they let him walk and try to spend the money in free agency, who are they going to get? Eriksson who's not as good and going to be looking at a deal until 35 or 36 also? I also don't think they'd be shopping Shattenkirk if Backes were not in their long-term plans.

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72. "got an extension on Brodziak..."
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made some qualifying offers to Schwartz and some more dudes. Backes, Brouwer and Ott will be unrestricted.

  

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75. "Jackets lock up Seth Jones for 6 years/32 million..."
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dude will still have time for another payday when this deal is done.

  

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76. "Nice deal, cuts into two UFA years."
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This is kind of like the deal Tyler Myers got, but it's a few years later (prices are higher in general) and Jones I think has a higher ceiling. Pretty good job by Jarmo and JD, which is not something many people have said lately haha.

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84. "haha"
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77. "Tomas Hertl signs two-year, $6M extension with Sharks"
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This is a pretty standard bridge deal. That is great for the team, who couldn't really afford to pay him long-term and strive to improve a little this summer. When he comes up for a big deal, they will have shed some veteran money and they will also have a clearer idea of how much he deserves.

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78. "PK Subban to Nashville for Shea Weber straight up (link)"
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http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/subban-trade-nashville-weber-1.3658615

  

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81. "I did not see that one coming. Bad deal for MTL if you ask me."
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They wanna throw a bunch of blame on PK for shit that is basically luck and/or bad management. I get what they are trying to do here but they just traded a heavy contract for an onerous, a younger player for an older player and a faster player for a slower player. Nothing against Weber, who is an excellent player, but I think this is a reactionary move by Montreal. They have good scouting and weak management if you ask me. They mishandled PK's situation from the jump. Weber's contract was basically a poison pill but Nashville had to match after losing Suter. Now they dump it for the prime years of a defenseman who is roughly as good and actually fits their style of play better. Great deal by Poile, one of the best GMs out there.

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82. "*buys Blues/Preds tickets*"
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79. "BIG trade, Edmonton sends Hall to Jersey for Adam Larsson"
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Great trade for the Devils. Nothing against Larsson, but he hasn't quite lived up to his draft billing and will never be a Hedman type player. They got a legit first-line forward here. This deal reeks of desperation for Edmonton. What does this say about Shattenkirk? Maybe the above discussion about Backes is true. If Backes leaves, there is no real reason to trade Shattenkirk; they will have the money to extend Shattenkirk. If Edmonton was willing to give their top trade chip for a potential No. 1 defenseman, you have to figure they offered it to the Blues and likely along with another asset since most would regard Shattenkirk as better than Larsson. If the Blues turned that down, they either have a huge offer on the table from someone else or Shattenkirk is staying.

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80. "Stamkos staying with the Lightning (unconfirmed)"
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http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/lightning/steven-stamkos-staying-with-lightning/2283579

Captain Steven Stamkos is staying with the Lightning, TSN's Bob McKenzie reported today.

Stamkos, 26, was due to be an unrestricted free agent Friday at 12:01 p.m, and had been talking with other teams through a five-day interview window. The Leafs, Red Wings, Sabres were among many teams interested.

Terms are unknown. The Lightning is believed to have offered Stamkos an offer of $8.5 million annual average.

Stay tuned for updates.

  

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83. "It's confirmed, book it. He will stay 100%."
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Eight years in the range of $70M. He wanted to stay and Florida's favorable tax setup helped erase any disparity. I think the Leafs would have made an insane offer but I suspect he never, ever wanted to go there. I think he was using the Leafs and Sabres as leverage, probably had Detroit as a plan B if all went south. Would have made no sense for him to go to teams that deeply mired in rebuilds, though I think Toronto is doing a nice job with theirs.

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88. "Stamkos confirms on twitter, nothing from the team yet."
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On the one hand, I'm glad he didn't go to a good franchise like Detroit, on the other hand, no team in the East is stacked and balanced like Tampa.

  

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85. "crazy day!"
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86. "make no mistake about it, edmonton was the big loser today"
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toronto still has all their money, they still have some great young players (marner, matthews, nylander, kapanen, et al) and they will have other runs at other big names later (tavares watch already beginning up there). buffalo, similarly, has a lot of flexibility and futures.

the habs got a great player who might help them in the short run. that seems incompatible with the fact that they are not very close to winning a cup. they made a short-sighted move but if weber retires before age 41, which most players do, i think nashville gets stuck with all or at least most of all the cap recapture penalties. so yes they took on a shitty contract but two of the shittiest parts of it (the penalties and some front-loaded years) are on nashville's books. it amazes me they couldn't stick the preds with some of weber's salary, but then again who else was going to give montreal a player his caliber for subban? poile ran this negotiation LIKE A BAWSE and crazily the Preds are, for the first time ever, talking about limited cap space.

but i would call the deal a mitigated disaster at worst for montreal. conversely edmonton just made a really bad deal. they traded their best player and their best contract for a guy who doesn't fit the bill for what they need. really a puzzling deal. i think larsson is better than his numbers suggest but his numbers suggest he is a third pairing defenseman.

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87. "ouch"
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89. "One day til July 1, predict the winners and losers"
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Winner: Devils. They have money to sign all their guys and sound close to doing it. They got Hall in a hosing of a trade that took them from mitigated draft bust to legitimate star player. They still have some money to play with in the FA market, though I think they will be pretty quiet.

Loser: Islanders. Unless something changes, they may lose Okposo and Nielsen. I don't see replacements for those guys available in the FA market, trade market or their farm system. Two of their three best forwards bouncing for nothing; that is what they are facing.

Winner: Predators. They won't do much in free agency, I don't see them spending *all* the way up to the cap and they have made their moves mostly. They might make a minor trade or two, could see them moving a forward but probably not. But between Subban, Johansen and Neal, they have gotten players who not only have skill/size but a lot of energy. You can't underestimate energy, especially in a high-tempo system like Lavy wants to run. They also have guys who are getting better (Ellis, Ekholm, Forsberg et al).

Loser: Blues. It seems like they could hustle backwards, stalling out the Shattenkirk trade and potentially losing Backes. If they come into next year without those guys, they are in trouble. Elliott just got them some futures, so goaltending isn't as solid as it was either.

Winner: Lightning. I think these guys are my favorite to win the East at this point. They didn't need to add, they needed to keep it together and they did. No real holes here, and more guys that are improving than are declining.

Loser: Kings. They need defense and it doesn't look like they are going to get it. Barring a big signing tomorrow, they probably got thinner on the wings, too. It's crazy that they have the key things you need to win it all--two good centers, goalie, #1D--but not much else.

Winner: Capitals. They made a subtle move that helped their team and resisted the urge to overreact. Regardless of what they do tomorrow, I think they made the right moves and did things well here.

Loser: Oilers. The strategy is to trade your best player for a guy who doesn't adequately address you needs, then replace that player with an older, more expensive, lower-quality version of him. This was like a planned-out strategy it seems, not something that happened by accident. Let us recall the Seguin trade and other Peter Chiarelli fuckery at this moment.

Winner: Hurricanes. They have a big stockpile of picks. I didn't get re-signing Ward but I guess it was a cautionary move. They added an OK roster player and a very good young talent as a cap dump. They got a pretty good haul for Staal as it turned out; he did nothing. They have money to blow tomorrow if they feel like it. Overall the organization is in bad shape but I think they can come out ahead here. Plus I am light on winners and have plenty more projected losers.

Losers: Bruins. They look poised to lose Eriksson and continue getting thinner. They did a weak job at the deadline. This organization seems wayward. They want to keep reloading. They are one shitty season away from considering rebuilding instead. Like the Kings, they overcommitted to their success, but in ways that were more obviously risky at the time.

Winner: Wild. I am betting they sign a big name tomorrow. So far they have managed their existing roster well. They made a great coaching hire. They have guys who are improving. This is an organization on the upswing. They might have some stability in goal and behind the bench, and their skaters may be deeper than ever.

Loser: Red Wings. They didn't get an audience with Stamkos and they are unlikely to add anything substantial on defense. I doubt they get a replacement for Datsyuk. They will have to settle for a winger of note, maybe Eriksson. This is another outfit that seems to be waiting to pull a rabbit from a hat. No more Babcock to squeeze blood from stones either.

Winner: Flames. I like that they didn't go crazy, they have a lot of talent in their organization and need things to stabilize before making evaluations. Elliott/Ortio is not exactly Sawchuk/Hall or Belfour/Hasek, hell it's not even Nabokov/Kiprusoff, but it's better than what they had.

Loser: Canadiens. They made a reactionary, personal move and the only way they can back it up is by pushing hard in that direction by going all in for Backes. Without better depth at center, they won't be able to compete. I suspect they will sign a winger like Ladd or worse yet Perron, neither of whom should have the Habs sweeping the streets for a parade.

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93. "I'll be salty as an amusement park pretzel and we lose Shatty and Cap"
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128. "RE: One day til July 1, predict the winners and losers"
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>Winner: Devils. They have money to sign all their guys and
>sound close to doing it. They got Hall in a hosing of a trade
>that took them from mitigated draft bust to legitimate star
>player. They still have some money to play with in the FA
>market, though I think they will be pretty quiet.

I'd say they are winners, re-signed the guys they wanted, made some nice additions even outside of Hall. Thought they might bring Stempniak back but whatever. I really like what they did and think they have a pretty good chance at making the playoffs. They were kinda close last year, especially if they had decided to make a push instead of selling some guys off.

>Loser: Islanders. Unless something changes, they may lose
>Okposo and Nielsen. I don't see replacements for those guys
>available in the FA market, trade market or their farm system.
>Two of their three best forwards bouncing for nothing; that is
>what they are facing.

Ladd and Chimera are fine players but they got worse today.

>Winner: Predators. They won't do much in free agency, I don't
>see them spending *all* the way up to the cap and they have
>made their moves mostly. They might make a minor trade or two,
>could see them moving a forward but probably not. But between
>Subban, Johansen and Neal, they have gotten players who not
>only have skill/size but a lot of energy. You can't
>underestimate energy, especially in a high-tempo system like
>Lavy wants to run. They also have guys who are getting better
>(Ellis, Ekholm, Forsberg et al).

Didn't expect them to do much. They let Hutton go, OK backup and a fan favorite. They have two better goalies in the minor and would have had three if they didn't trade Hellberg. Good luck to Hutton in MTL

>Loser: Blues. It seems like they could hustle backwards,
>stalling out the Shattenkirk trade and potentially losing
>Backes. If they come into next year without those guys, they
>are in trouble. Elliott just got them some futures, so
>goaltending isn't as solid as it was either.

We'll see what happens with Shattenkirk. They did OK swapping Brouwer for Perron. Losing Backes hurts. Their goaltending situation is worse now than it was two weeks ago. They didn't do much so far.

>Winner: Lightning. I think these guys are my favorite to win
>the East at this point. They didn't need to add, they needed
>to keep it together and they did. No real holes here, and more
>guys that are improving than are declining.

Re-upped Hedman also. Not sure how they will manage Kucherov and Bishop situations now but I am confident Yzerman will find a way to keep Kucherov. Palat's future there might be up in the air now.

>Loser: Kings. They need defense and it doesn't look like they
>are going to get it. Barring a big signing tomorrow, they
>probably got thinner on the wings, too. It's crazy that they
>have the key things you need to win it all--two good centers,
>goalie, #1D--but not much else.

They got Gilbert and Purcell. Whooptydamndoo (c) D.C. These guys are in a jam. Brown put it out there that he isn't happy. They need him and Gaborik to be at least OK this year. Probably both will be weak again. I will keep them in the L column.

>Winner: Capitals. They made a subtle move that helped their
>team and resisted the urge to overreact. Regardless of what
>they do tomorrow, I think they made the right moves and did
>things well here.


They did very little. Chimera leaving sucks, he was a high effort player but he is getting older. I think Connolly is a good signing. Never will be able to live up to the insane idea that he was potentially the best player in his draft class (not even top 10) but now expectations are different. His game is very straight-line, go to the net and stop. Stop the puck and move it. In a system that dumps the puck in a lot, this guy is going to thrive, relatively speaking. He can play either wing and played some center at lower levels. Plug him in as a grinder with two good forwards and he will be a solid contributor.

>Loser: Oilers. The strategy is to trade your best player for a
>guy who doesn't adequately address you needs, then replace
>that player with an older, more expensive, lower-quality
>version of him. This was like a planned-out strategy it
>seems, not something that happened by accident. Let us recall
>the Seguin trade and other Peter Chiarelli fuckery at this
>moment.


LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. They did get a backup goalie. Lucic will be a super-up version of Penner for them. They were terrible and they deserve it (c) Walton

>Winner: Hurricanes. They have a big stockpile of picks. I
>didn't get re-signing Ward but I guess it was a cautionary
>move. They added an OK roster player and a very good young
>talent as a cap dump. They got a pretty good haul for Staal as
>it turned out; he did nothing. They have money to blow
>tomorrow if they feel like it. Overall the organization is in
>bad shape but I think they can come out ahead here. Plus I am
>light on winners and have plenty more projected losers.

Eh, they made small but good signings, what I expected. Stalberg and Stempniak are good supporting players for a bad team.

>Losers: Bruins. They look poised to lose Eriksson and continue
>getting thinner. They did a weak job at the deadline. This
>organization seems wayward. They want to keep reloading. They
>are one shitty season away from considering rebuilding
>instead. Like the Kings, they overcommitted to their success,
>but in ways that were more obviously risky at the time.

They were active, I will give them that. Landing Backes was nice. I wouldn't call them huge winners but more toward a win than a loss here today. I was wrong on this one.

>Winner: Wild. I am betting they sign a big name tomorrow. So
>far they have managed their existing roster well. They made a
>great coaching hire. They have guys who are improving. This is
>an organization on the upswing. They might have some stability
>in goal and behind the bench, and their skaters may be deeper
>than ever.

Staal is a nice signing, Stewart is an OK signing and Cullen may round out a nice day for them. Medium sized moves but decent ones.

>Loser: Red Wings. They didn't get an audience with Stamkos and
>they are unlikely to add anything substantial on defense. I
>doubt they get a replacement for Datsyuk. They will have to
>settle for a winger of note, maybe Eriksson. This is another
>outfit that seems to be waiting to pull a rabbit from a hat.
>No more Babcock to squeeze blood from stones either.

I couldn't have been more wrong on this one as I think they were one of the two or three biggest winners. Nielsen was a great pickup as their No. 2 center, Ott adds grit and experience to their fourth line and Vanek is a pretty solid risk. He is 32, not 42. He always plays well with money on the line so I like it.

>Winner: Flames. I like that they didn't go crazy, they have a
>lot of talent in their organization and need things to
>stabilize before making evaluations. Elliott/Ortio is not
>exactly Sawchuk/Hall or Belfour/Hasek, hell it's not even
>Nabokov/Kiprusoff, but it's better than what they had.

Meh, Brouwer signing doesn't do much for me. They did OK. I'd replace them with Florida if I had it to do over again. They got Yandle, signed Reimer, signed Sceviour and extended Ekblad. Definitely improved their team.

>Loser: Canadiens. They made a reactionary, personal move and
>the only way they can back it up is by pushing hard in that
>direction by going all in for Backes. Without better depth at
>center, they won't be able to compete. I suspect they will
>sign a winger like Ladd or worse yet Perron, neither of whom
>should have the Habs sweeping the streets for a parade.

Radulov for nearly $6M? WTF? They were lined up to make a bad deal with Lucic but it might have been better than this. They might not be done but overall the revelation is that MB has no plan.

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90. "I also suspect Chicago is cooking up something"
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Not sure if it will be the return of Brian Campbell or something else but I guarantee they do not pass tomorrow without a top-four DMan in their hands. Campbell makes sense as a guy who may take lesso to contend because of his age and most recent (bloated) contract. But other possibilities are out there. If they can get a legit top-four guy, they should be pretty set and I would consider this offseason a success. They haven't been dumping guys like Shaw and Teravainen just to sit on their hands.

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91. "Ladd eyeing Habs, Islanders among others"
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This guy brings some things to the table (decent production, versatility, leadership) but I am not a huge fan. Some team is going to overpay him. It would surprise me if it were the Islanders since it sounds like they are letting two better forwards walk. He is there for a visit though.

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94. "Letting Okposo walk to sign Ladd instead is typical broken logic"
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of the FA era, in all sports.

  

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111. "I get the sense that maybe Okposo wanted to sign in Buffalo"
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I can't imagine there was no other offer equaling theirs. Something or someone sold him on it and I think he wasn't overly keen on returning to the Isles. The one that surprises me more is Nielsen, very important player for them as well.

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92. "Predictably a big round of buyouts today"
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Bruins buying out Seidenberg is the biggest one. It's sad because he is a heart and soul player and he gave them all he had, but the fact is that they will never be good again with him and Chara chewing up a lot of cap space. The basic consensus on Chara last year among GMs is that they should trade him but that their team didn't want him. We'll see what happens there. Meanwhile they have done a great job gutting their organization of other good defensemen, magnifying this issue considerably (Boychuk, Hamilton).

Along those lines, the Kings are going to buy out Matt Greene. Placed on waivers, buyout forthcoming. I knew this was going to happen late last season. Again this is a guy who put it all on the line, really sacrificed his body. In the end they had a choice between him and Mitchell and they probably shouldn't have bothered signing either. They invested high picks in guys who didn't really pan out (Hickey, Forbort) and that hurt, though actually I think Hickey would helo them right now.

Matt Carle to be bought out by the Lightning. He fell off a fucking cliff. Nice guy, smart player, it's too bad he is such sharp physical decline.

Korpikoski, Jackman and Boll all among other likely buyouts.

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95. "Lightning might be SC favorites right now"
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So young, so balanced, so deep.

And then you add Stamkos being healthy?

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96. "They should win but we won't know shit til Game 60 or 65 like always"
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97. "As expected, Campbell to Chicago. 1yr/$2M."
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He is their Brad Richards of 2016-2017, cheap signing that fills a huge need. Great deal here, might make another minor addition before the day is out.

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98. "Frans Nielsen to the Wings, 6 year-deal. Best signing so far for sure"
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LOVE this deal. Wings needed a center and D. Check off that first one. Great two-way player, you absolutely win with guys like this. He can also play the wing. Great fit for Detroit and honestly the guy I would most covet in this FA class, all things considered.

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99. "Andrew Ladd to the Ises lol lol lol"
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As I figured they let two really good players walk and replaced them with an overpriced player who is worse. Nothing against Ladd himself or the signing even but it doesn't make any sense when Okposo and Nielsen are both leaving. Ladd does play both wing spots and he has captained a team so ostensibly he fills a need the Isles had *with* those other two guys, but he doesn't fill three needs. He is also a cheesy playoff performer, big goal here or there but overall not good production.

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100. "Backes to Boston for ONE YEAR? Unconfirmed. Heard this a moment ago"
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now a Vancouver radio station picked it up also. crazy

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101. "Eriksson to Vancouver 6 years $36M"
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Security is obviously very important to him because he could have gone to a better team for a shorter term (4 or 5 years). Nice deal for the Canucks, who should be pretty aggressive in the FA market.

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102. "David Backes to Boston, yes, but deal is for FIVE years, $30M"
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Yes they will regret it in years four and five most likely but for now I like it a lot. You have to imagine he will play a lot of RW for them. That's good. Will extend his career/productivity. He is also a force on the wing defensively, that lets him use his body a lot more. He is sound defensively as a center but he can deliver a lot more hits as a winger.

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104. "damn, she was right....every time she tells us something, it happens"
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109. "yeah she was out in front of it though the day after you posted ..."
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it seemed pretty apparent that he'd be gone from other shit i had heard. he didn't want to play in canada, i find that interesting.

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103. "Okposo to Sabres 7 years $42M, wow"
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I guess his injury history put teams off as far as a max length but this is a good value signing comparatively speaking. Lots of teams could have benefited from this guy.

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130. "$6M a year?"
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seems cheap almost

  

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105. "David Perron back....2/7.5"
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114. "I like him over Brouwer, especially at half the term"
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That said he is still a pretty mediocre all-around player

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106. "Brouwer got his bread....gone to the Flames for 4/18"
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113. "i'm sure the blues were "K. Bye." too much money for him"
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129. "too much money"
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too long.

  

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107. "Jake Allen signs 4 year extension"
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108. "Eric Staal to Minnesota"
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I guess, honestly haven't followed him enough to know what this means.

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112. "Low-risk signing to fill a need. Thought I posted it but I guess not"
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heard he was signing there more likely late last night, depended on some other stuff that ultimately fell through. 3.5M is a nice price for him and i think it's a good fit for him there. presumably he will be there No. 2 center but of course both coyle and granlund can also move to center if need be. staal is definitely in decline but i don't think it's as steep as his numbers suggest. last year was in limbo the whole time and the team sucked. the rangers never figured out how they wanted to use him and then their season ended abruptly. it's possible he has too much wear and tear on him to be effective for three years but it's just as likely that this turns out to be the best value signing of the day. like any situation, it'll probably end up a mixed bag where he plays well at times and goes silent at others. if nothing else he is a great guy in the room and has a lot of experience, including being the best player on a cup winner.

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110. "Hedman signs 8/$63M extension, Stevie Y love fest continues"
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Not a steal or anything but he sure as hell wasn't gonna come any cheaper. I think if he hit the open market he might become the league's highest paid player.

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115. "Matt Martin to the Leafs, 4 yrs/$10M"
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Looks like old Lou didn't like the values in the UFA market (who would?) and of course Toronto being a really shitty team at the moment didn't help their cause in cases where a signing would have made sense. They will be active in the post-FA trade market, I am sure. Martin signing is decent, maybe three years would have been preferable but he is the type of player I think is increasingly valuable, a tough guy who can score a bit. You need guys like that because no one is carrying a straight goon anymore.

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116. "Wings also sign Vanek, Ott to one-year deals"
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2.6M for Vanek, 800K for Ott. If these guys can still play at all, then these were great moves. If not, oh well, they are FAs inside of a year. Ken Holland did the same thing today IMO. Quietly had a very good day, only team I'd say clearly did better was Tampa and oddly they didn't sign any free agents (from other teams).

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121. "damn...the Otter was a good dude...he and his wife were really visible....."
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in town.

  

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127. "yeah but i think they thought he was done"
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didnt get a lot of ice time in the playoffs, right? no pressure for him with the wings. also the peskiest player they have had in a while.

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117. "Dale Wiese to the Flyers 4/$9.4M"
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I like this signing, a little too long but that is the nature of UFA. Wiese is a big body, a good teammate and he is kind of clutch. This is the type of guy you want in your bottom six, the Flyers bottom six was woefully inconsistent. No surprise that they passed on Ryan White. Good luck to him in Arizona

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118. "Hamhuis to Dallas, 2 years/$3.75M"
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Why the fuck did Vancouver scoff at the offers and why did Hamhuis indicate he didn't want to relocate if they weren't going to terms? And he goes to one of two teams that was very interested in him at the deadline. Ah well. OK, signing, kind of like Staal. If Hamhuis can not only stay in the lineup but be 100%, it will be a bargain. If not the salary is pretty fair and the term is short so fuck it

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119. "Grabner and Gerbe to the Rags on cheap, one-year deal"
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You like these sorts of naked grabs at talented but underachieving players but they almost never work out. Grabner I thought was going to be good, never thought much of Gerbe. Seemed like he had AHL fan favorite written all over him.

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120. "Kings sign Tom Gilbert, Devils sign Ben Lovejoy"
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I am a big fan of Lovejoy, great locker room guy, great media guy, very ballsy shot-blocker, clutch player and a pretty good skater. He is never going to put up a lot of points or destroy people with big hits, but he does all the non-sexy things very well. Extremely professional player.

Gilbert seems like an OK signing but I don't know. He has had a lot of ups and downs in his career and last season seemed like very clear down. They wanted a right-shot defenseman, he is that. If he stays healthy he will be OK for them in the bigger picture I worry very much that the Kings defense is losing its identity and balance. In 2012 they had perfect balance and it stayed pretty good through 2014. Where are the teeth here? Presumably they will have Doughty-McBain-Martinez-Scuderi-Gilbert-Muzzin as their six to start the season. Doughty is now by far their most physical defenseman. Scuds is not as tough as he used to be and even if he were he can't skate as fast to get to the spots. Greene and Mitchell were important guys that haven't replaced. This team is so weird now, they have all the key stuff but none of the peripheral pieces.

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131. "RE: Kings sign Tom Gilbert, Devils sign Ben Lovejoy"
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>Doughty-McBain-Martinez-Scuderi-Gilbert-Muzzin as their six to
>start the season. Doughty is now by far their most physical
>defenseman. Scuds is not as tough as he used to be and even if
>he were he can't skate as fast to get to the spots. Greene and
>Mitchell were important guys that haven't replaced. This team
>is so weird now, they have all the key stuff but none of the
>peripheral pieces.

I know you mean McNabb and not McBain. Mcbain is in AZ now. I dont like McNabb on the top pairing. He was fucking AWFUL last season. Probably our worst defenseman. Was hoping for a Schenn resigning. But I guess since we have no depth on the blue line they opted to sign a bunch of defensemen and hope one sticks. Greene is still with the team. But with his injuries I doubt he will be very useful. We went from a team built for the playoffs to a team built to a team that can probably win in the regular season but be exposed in the playoffs.

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132. "McNabb is not a first pairing D, you're right"
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He is a third pairing or depth guy but they basically have to use the three decent or better players they have to carry each pair (Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez) so they stick him with Doughty to cover his ass.

Schenn is a little better but also not very good, he's too slow. I was happy that the Flyers were able to move him; that was an excellent deal for two guys no one else would take (though the Kings did have roster spots for them). Greener is also not very useful now, surprised they didn't go ahead and buy him out anyway after the Lucic signing failed. They made Lucic an eight-year, $34M offer at the last minute. I don't understand that, why lowball him? Seems pointless and someone in his representation leaked it.

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122. "Boedker to Sharks, 4/$16M."
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This is a guy whose fantasy value just went way up. Nice sighing for the Sharks, it was less money than some projected for him and a very fair term for a player his age. He is a better player than his numbers suggest. He can play either wing and makes play at high speeds, plus he himself can really fly. I always liked this guy and thought he was mis-used by Dave Tippett. A big reduction in responsibility will help, too. He was one of the Coyotes' better forwards for most of his career in Arizona, here he is just a guy. Less pressure, more opportunity.

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123. "Lee Stempniak to the Canes, 2/$5M"
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Why is this guy the Jim Jackson of the NHL? This is a good locker room guy, a good faceoff guy and a dude who occasionally gets really hot. He was good for the Jets. He was good for Jersey and they just traded him because they were falling back. Why are good teams seemingly never interested in this guy? Nice signing for Carolina, good mentor for their young guys, a productive pro and they will get picks for him in a trade eventually.

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124. "Matt Cullen is still out there, I am thinking Minnesota for him"
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Surprised that Pittsburgh didn't bring him back. I bet he signs cheap in Minnesota.

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125. "Kris Russell might be the top guy left on the board"
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Lots of interest in him, I wonder who will overpay. Montreal seems like a fine candidate.

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126. "Panthers ink Aaron Ekblad to eight-year extension"
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Everybody will party off the Hedman deal but this is also huge. Future top 10 DMan here. Excellent player. Great commitment by the organization. The deal chews up four UFA years. Eight years, $60M. That is how you show a player he's wanted.

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133. "Panthers continue to bulk up defense, sign Demers 5/$22.5M"
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Sounds about right on the price and a nice term for a guy who's still young. Not a huge splash but a very sensible signing. It's not surprising that both Dallas and Florida are tweaking their D, they had a lot of up guys up for contracts and needed to make some moves. I like what Florida has done for sure.

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134. "Habs sign Radulov to one-year deal"
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I actually think this might be the best signing of July 1.

Radulov was the best forward for Russia at Sochi and has dominated the KHL for 4 years. While he won't get to play with Patrick Kane, he is a better player than Panarin, and Sergei Fedorov thought enough of him to make him team captain of CSKA Moscow.

He's apparently matured a lot since the last debacle in Nashville. He's now a father and married so it stands to reason that he has grown up some in the last four years.

This could be a home run signing if he clicks with Galchenyuk. I'm hoping Bergevin lures Vadim Shipachyov away from the KHL as well. That would really inject a lot of skill into the top-6.

  

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135. "I don't think he is better than Panarin"
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Let's not make it out like Panarin leeched off of Kane, he was a very productive member of the line and power play.

Radulov is 30 years old, I don't think he is going to magically break out. If he can stay healthy and keep his shit together, he is probably a 55-point player.

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