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The Philadelphia 76ers will explore trading Jahlil Okafor and Nerlens Noel in the buildup to the NBA draft on June 23, according to league sources.

Sources told ESPN that the Sixers are determined to gauge the trade market for both Okafor and Noel and are increasingly likely to move at least one of them in conjunction with the draft, in which Philadelphia holds the No. 1 overall selection for the first time since selecting Allen Iverson in 1996.

In recent weeks, rival executives have been forecasting Philadelphia to be one of the most active teams this offseason in terms of pursuing trades, with new personnel boss Bryan Colangelo known to be aggressive and openly determined to speed Philadelphia's return to playoff contention.

In an interview with ESPN Radio's Russillo and Kanell earlier this month, Sixers coach Brett Brown hinted at the club's desire to be active.

"Think about these types of resources," Brown said during the interview. "We have the first pick. We have the 24th and 26th pick. On our current roster, we have Nerlens Noel, Jahlil Okafor, Jerami Grant Robert Covington. We had a draft class that effectively redshirted in Joel Embiid and Dario Saric.

"For the first time in my four years, we're going to enter a legitimate approach to free agency."

Colangelo, for his part, told Bleacher Report Radio last week that "everybody is thinking about winning as opposed to prolonging the rebuilding process."

‎Sources describe Okafor, at this early juncture, as the most likely of the two to be moved in the wake of his rocky rookie season off the floor.

But the Sixers are known to be considering a wide range of possibilities, given the prospect of fellow lottery picks Embiid and Saric finally making their Philadelphia debuts next season to add to the Sixers' deep frontcourt and the well-chronicled concerns about whether Okafor and Noel can play together.

After winning the recent draft lottery, Philadelphia is in the process of choosing whether to take LSU's Ben Simmons or Duke's Brandon Ingram with the first overall pick.

Among the options the Sixers have is trying to trade Okafor or Noel for another high pick in the looming draft to address their backcourt needs or building a package around either one in a trade for veteran talent, either in June or in July after free agency starts.

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Maybe Embiid isn't a lost cause. These two guys do not complement each other very well. I like them just fine separately but if there is a good deal out there for one of them, great. I don't think trading both makes too much sense as of now, but we'll see what is out there, I guess.

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i still think he is a very good player for the right team, but is he good enough for the sixers to build to be that team? we will see what other teams offer here and how serious this is. personally unless a big offer were there, i would not move anyone. too much wait-and-see stuff still to be making bold moves, at least ones that are like "we are moving this guy now."

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>i still think he is a very good player for the right team,
>but is he good enough for the sixers to build to be that team?
>we will see what other teams offer here and how serious this
>is. personally unless a big offer were there, i would not move
>anyone. too much wait-and-see stuff still to be making bold
>moves, at least ones that are like "we are moving this guy
>now."
But the media is like on and off...which (IMO) wasn't true. Dude balled when he got the touches and opportunities.

I agree with you with the wait and see stuff. I get the fact that those guys are the Sixers best tradeable assets so I understand the mindset. But like you said, unless the offer is too good to pass up, I would stand pat.

Like sub Enis Kanter bad, according to analytics. Even if you don't fuck with advanced stats, watching a random Sixers game will show that he was really, really, really bad. Not terrible on ball defense on other big guys but awful at everything else, especially knowing rotating into the lane to contest penetrating drivers. You can say he's a rookie and that will improve some, but the point is that he has so far to go to even be slightly above average.

All that said, I believe in Jah and think people are being way too dismissive of his potential to improve. Any guy with that many flawless post moves that he can string together effortlessly, organically, and effectively clearly puts in work. Hell, he fixed his FTs prior to his rookie season. His offensive potential is so great that he only needs to be but so good on defense if he is in the right system and has the right teammates, which is why Boston would be an ideal situation for him.

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He is never going to rhyme with Olajuwon or anything but I don't think he is hopeless on D.

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have resulted in tragedy for himself and/or others...

Towns was significantly better in pretty much every facet of the game.

Also even if it wasn't all his fault, I think you could call a season in which your team started 1-30 "rocky."

It's okay. Y'all can keep this charade going. Oak will have better players around him soon enough and a much better coach.

We'll see.

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I mean that's a pretty tall task. He was still a semi-decent player as a rookie.

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Just because KAT was better isn't a slight against Jah. Jah needs to work on defense and staying out of trouble off the court, but his potential is obvious. Dude did 17 and 7 at age 19.

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>Right. Offensively, he had a very good individual season.
>Just because KAT was better isn't a slight against Jah. Jah
>needs to work on defense and staying out of trouble off the
>court, but his potential is obvious. Dude did 17 and 7 at age
>19.
There were a couple months where he could have gotten rookie of the month no question. The potential is there, and he hasn't turned 20 yet. For a couple of months, it was Jah, KAT and Zingis

He's got better post moves than a rack of established vets

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I don't know what that means but you know what I meant when I told you (c) Sean Price

I would have told you they wouldn't get two lotto picks for Jrue, too. I tend to agree with you but having young bigs with upside and under team control is pretty appealing. What other team is going to be offering that?

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He'll be restricted next summer. Nice player, but most teams would probably take a top 10 pick on a rookie deal for five years.

In a market where teams all falling over themselves to give Evan Fournier 15 million a year, those top 5 or 10 picks are like gold

DeAngelo and Simmons are friends....

Sixers could use a point guard...

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Particularly with Luke coming in and utilizing a system based on spacing and interchangeable pieces from 1-3, with the 5's major role as down-screening and passing from the high post.

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play a 6'5 center...lol.

moving Russell for Oak allows us to pursue another guard in free agency to pair with Clarkson. As it stands now...drafting Ingram and keeping the rest of our young players basically fills every position except center moving forward, and pretty much takes us out of the running for all of the guards and SFs coming out in free agency this year and next.

I'm fine with keeping Russell...but I'd also want us to dip a toe in the free agency market and keeping all of our young players right now limits us only to pursuing a Center in Free agency, which would limit us IMO...

That's why it would make zero sense to give up DLo for Okafor, when the C in that system is primarily a screener, facilitator, and defensive back-bone. Giving up a key tenant just to pursue a FA is creating a hole a to fill which makes no sense to me. The simple solution is that JC gets moved to the bench and is first man off the bench to then become another ball-handler, filling the Livingston role.

I'm talking skill-sets that fit, which has nothing to do with playing a 6'5' center. Not even sure how you got that from what I said.

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regardless of what Luke has been a part of with the Warriors... We have different players...with different skillsets...

I don't think we can sit here today and say what skills are necessary for any particular position based upon seeing what Golden State runs with Luke as an assistant...

there are some decent options at shooting guard ..particularly Beal and Derozan ....if the Lakers wanted to keep Clarkson and play him at the point... and get a young starting center out of it....with Randle and Ingram... I'm pretty sure Luke and co. would figure out a way to utilize those guys....

again I'm not saying we should trade Russell....but we have options

that's basically saying "we fucked up drafting Russell, can we have a do over."

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I'm not saying they should trade D... but if doing so would avail them a better free agent option to then pair with Clarkson in the backcourt...and add a center to a frontline with Ingram and Randle..

you'd have to consider it...

>that's basically saying "we fucked up drafting Russell, can
>we have a do over."

First: Even if this were the case, who cares? It's never a "massive L" to improve your team, no matter what form that improvement takes. Particularly in this case where two teams are flush with young players with some positional overlap and financial flexibility and could, relatively speaking, fill in blanks for each other.

The whole DER THAT WOULD BE SUCH A MASSIVE L OMGZ DERRRR take is some message board agenda bullshit.

Further, in an offseason with so many potentially moving parts up to and including this years draft and looming free agency, it would be impossible to determine whether a single trade is a win or a loss because there's a lot of possibilities that could play out. A move that could make little sense on paper could look brilliant with subsequent moves because that move can potentially take on a new context.

I'm not even an advocate for a D'Lo for Jah swap, but the whole "massive L" thing is dumb as rocks on the face of it.

My guess is that he would still offer the #3 and more for him.

Nerlens might be an easier fit for most teams but, yeah, his contract and inconsistent play have probably knocked his trade value to lower than Philly might be willing to take. Then again, who knows how Colangelo will run the squad. He might be willing to take some Ls on trades in order to get a more even roster.

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among other teams. I think they could replace the top 5 pick and pick up another asset in the deal. What's funny is that the post-Hinkie era would then open with an out-and-out Hinkie move.

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no way they use 8 picks if they can avoid it.

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I wasn't disappointed that we held in to them at the deadline. I like the market bettet now.

ainge has played this surplus right. yeah he wanted to go all in for winslow last year and it didn't pan out but they still had a good draft. i am sure they will make a big move, in fact i think they and portland are both in great positions to improve their teams, which are alread ahead of schedule.

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I -NEED- that to be a thing. I'm gonna be like Vick sacrificing some poor puppies to please the basketball gods to making a Simmons + Ingram squad a thing.
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Don't think they'll be traded for draft picks. I think ownership wants to get to the middle sooner rather than later. And giving bret more kids to coach won't do it.

That celts rumor scares me. We would be trading jah for .70 cents on the dollar to a division rival. And he would be surrounded by a better defensive teammates and system for avery bradley and a pick? By december he'd be doing a feature story with the dudes he beat up wearing his shirsey. SMH

And if that's the market for him no telling what they want for nerlens.

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Assume that Atlanta would be giving up picks or another prospect of some sort since Teague's an expiring and Nerlens is younger and an RFA after this year but, on paper, it's a nice deal for both teams. Hawks get an athletic, young, defensive minded big and the Sixers get a legit NBA player and point guard to boot.

Have to see what else ATL is giving up.

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If only because it implies that they're going to let Horford walk, turn the keys over to Hair Guy, and embrace a d first mentality, only with lesser players than they had previously. None of that sounds fun to me.

For the Sixers, eh. Teague will bring pro level starting competence for a year but clearly won't stick around.

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otherwise, meeeeh @ a 1 year luxury.

Especially if they don't think they can retain Horford (although, having Noel might allow Al to play a little more PF which he reportedly prefers.)

But if Horford is gone, they aren't replacing him and Teague is an expiring deal while Millsap has a player option after next season. Might as well see what they can get for Teague and Millsap and rebuild with youth/clear the cap.

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Hawks are one of these teams that shoots for the middle. It's been a long time since I felt like they had actual championship aspirations.

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Horford will gladly move to 4 which he's been wanting since...forever. Only if he demands max should ATL allow him to walk.

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And oddly we would have traded a solid but not great two-way point guard for Noel and then traded Noel for a solid but not great two-way point guard. Yes, I understand we got other assets (first rounder from NO, whatever else Atlanta gives) but these all seem like wheel-spinning moves.

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Not sure what that would be but Teague for Noel straight up would be a pretty terrible deal. And I'm a fan of Teague.

But there's talk of Covington and Stauksas being in the trade so they have to be getting something else because there's absolutely no need for them to add to Noel to get Teague.

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One from NO initially and one now from Atlanta. If Covingon and Stauskas are in the talks, means a veteran coming from ATL as those are the only OK filler contracts Philly has. We will see what happens. I think Noel would be good fit for Atlanta but basically this is a weird lateral move where they give up replace two starters with younger, cheaper guys (Noel, Schroeder for Horford, Teague)

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>But there's talk of Covington and Stauksas being in the trade
>so they have to be getting something else because there's
>absolutely no need for them to add to Noel to get Teague.

Stauskas is Jimmer Fredette status so he would just be a throw-in.

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In 3-5 years time we may find a guard who could easily replace him who's above-average/very solid yet not spectacular. He could easily demand A gm from around the league to get him possible max money.

That fucking scares me. I don't want us to go the route of Iggy/Dalembert/Geiger contracts again :'(

>Assume that Atlanta would be giving up picks or another
>prospect of some sort since Teague's an expiring and Nerlens
>is younger and an RFA after this year but, on paper, it's a
>nice deal for both teams. Hawks get an athletic, young,
>defensive minded big and the Sixers get a legit NBA player and
>point guard to boot.
>
>Have to see what else ATL is giving up.



that's a horrible deal. Period. Makes sense on a surface level - upgrade PG, but he's a one year rental or worse an overpay entering his 30's on a team at least 3-4 years away.


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If Teague is only with us for one year with NO Trade & Extend type of thing setup for 3-4 years?

HELL - FUCKING - NO

Even then, what will his asking price be? Max? Near Max? If he's reasonable for a 3 year deal right away, I would welcome him being our floor general.

uuuuuuugh, otherwise I rather we do some unconventional, Philadelphia Experiment shit & just start Simmons as our Comcast skyscraper point guard.

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what a god awful trade

Hinkie was trying to pry Schroeder from ATL, not take Teague off their hands

Why the rush to get mediocre?

why trade a talented young player like Noel for an average starter level pg turning 29 on a 1 yr deal that won't want to spend his prime on a garbage team?

We'd have to overpay to keep him to justify the shitty trade, how is this in any way good?

It'd be far easier to get a fill in guy for a cheap trade or thru FAgency, Teague ain't shit, there are tons of guys like him.

It makes absolutely no sense to do this deal in any way, short of ATL giving us like 2 or 3 firsts (and even then its questionable), with the principles being Noel and Teague, and it kind blows my mind a little that some people think otherwise.

I have no faith in Colangelo being able to build a championship level contender, he's more likely to flip assets just to build a 1st or 2nd round exit team, and take us back to where we started before The Process.

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That Jrue trade continues to be horrible in my eyes

Jrue, Saric, and Oak is an interesting mix

Teague, Saric, and 2 top 5 draft picks (assuming the 2 talked-about trades happen) is another 3 years of being terrible

Also, why are Philly fans flipping on Okafor so fast? Because he isnt Towns? Trading him for the 3rd pick in this draft seems like a bad idea. Dunn would seem like the best fit, but he also seems like a bit of a reach there.

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Noel and Saric for Jrue doesn't seem like a terrible deal to me, especially given Jrue's injury issues.

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They got two lotto picks for him and on the same day they dealt him they got the rookie of the year that season who also played his position (subsequently also dealt for what should be a high pick next year). What has Jrue done in New Orleans?

The Okafor thing is simple--and I said I had some reservations about him going in for this season--he is a good player but to play his style in today's NBA and be *the* building block, you've got to be a *great* player. I am not advocating trading him 100% but I do think it would be helpful to see what out's there, especially if Embiid can play.

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