42-40...from 22-12 to 20-28.

-Injuries
-Philosophy changes
-Defensive slippage
-Inconsistency
-Transitioning

...We knew this was coming and even though most of us were hopeful (especially at 22-12 when we were on a 53 win place...3 seed) that we could make a deep playoff run DURING the transition, injuries slowed us down. Dula pegged it last year when he said we were rebuilding on the fly. And we're doing it without sucking too bad. We would have been a 6 seed in the west. lol Also, injuries probably easily contributed to that 11 game pace drop (Rose and Dunny STARTED the season hurt).

Ok so this summer...

-Lottery pick
-Noah, Brooks and E'twaun expiring
-Pau likely opting out
-Everyone else is on their final year except Jimmy, Mcbucketts, Dunny and Portis
-We'll be at ~66.5 mil in cap after all those things finalize
-Early cap projections are at about 92 mil so we'd have almost ~26 mil to play with. And with the next season extimated to raise the cap to ~$107 we don't have to sweat re-signings as much. Granted everyone's cap will increase so there will be stiff competition for FA's this first go-round

Also
-What FA targets make sense?
-Of the guys expiring/opting out should we actively go after and for how much?
-Best case scenario (top 3 pick) who do you think we should take?
-Standard case scenario (we land where we're supposed to) who do you like in that slot?
-What should we realistically expect next season?


What's up Bulls Nation?

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Very interesting article from a year ago:

http://www.blogabull.com/2015/5/18/8610703/why-the-bulls-no-longer-draft-successfully-the-loss-of-matt-lloyd-and

The Bulls had an enormous amount of success in drafting college players with Lloyd taking helm of the ship. From 2007 to 2011, here were some of the Bulls' picks under Lloyd:

- Joakim Noah (9th)
- Derrick Rose (1st)
- Taj Gibson (26th)
- James Johnson (16th)
- Jimmy Butler (30th)

I bring this up because outside of the Bulls miraculously winning a top 3 pick, I really don't have a lot of confidence in Paxson and Foreman in finding a solid player in the draft. I don't.

Since Matt left:

Teague
Snell
McDermott
Portis

>Ok so this summer...

>-Pau likely opting out

He says he's opting out, but I feel like after he gauges his market value, he may end up staying. I can't think of a contending team where he would get a starting role.

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>>-Pau likely opting out
>
> I can't think of a
>contending team where he would get a starting role.
>

My question is, what do we do when Gasol eventually opts in?
Who is going to tell him he needs to come off the bench?
If he has a problem with that, how does that effect the morale/culture of the upcoming season?

I like Gasol, but the type of ball that Hoiberg wants to play, the type of ball that's winning in the NBA right now, requires big men that can move. Gasol is not that.

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And there's always the chance he goes back to Memphis to play with his lil bro as well.

If he opts in, at least his contract is reasonable and he's tradable so it's not completely a hindrance.

Pau's useful but ideally in a reduced role/mins where he can max out and still be effective. Defensively he irks me tho.

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and those limitations are significant on the defensive end.

but judging by the beat reporter fodder i read this year it seems that he has a lil ego. and that's understandable. he's still pretty good/great (on offense).

>My question is, what do we do when Gasol eventually opts in?
>Who is going to tell him he needs to come off the bench?
>If he has a problem with that, how does that effect the
>morale/culture of the upcoming season?

that could get messy but a good coach should be able to figure it out. 20-25 minutes per night. if the matchup is right those minutes could obviously be extended. but yeah, that's on fred to lead.

Teague is the only terrible pick considering the draft as a whole

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Tutu nu, vondo nos nu
Vita em, no continous non
Nos nu ekta nos sepe ta, amen

When the sun shades the ship
We sweat and life is not safe
To swim or to touch not
When we unite we hedge amen

This is just for first round picks, because seconds have so little chance of sticking.

2012, Teague -
Obviously this is a part of the Thibs x FO beef. Thibs wanted Draymond, they drafted best player available, despite pretty much everyone not GarPax saying no, including their star player if the rumors are to be believed.

This is also one year after they traded the draft rights to Norris Cole who is at the very least still in the league.

2013, Snell-
This is the same year they lost Asik to the poison pill, & they KNEW they needed a back-up big, or at the very least shooting from the 2 guard. What do they do instead? They draft another wing to back up Deng (who'd they later trade for Andrew Bynum's corpse, & financial flexibility) & Butler who was playing backup three, but even then making strides towards star territory.

Gorgui Dieng was available, Rudy Gobert was available, Mason Plumlee was available....

2014, McDermott -
They traded 2 first round picks for marginal NBA athleticism, knowing their win-now team was coached by a dude who wouldn't play a defensive liability, especially a rookie one. Also we still could have used a big. Look at the guys pulled with those picks, Jusuf Nurkic, & Gary Harris. Or Rodney Hood who was on the radar at the time as well.

2015, Portis -
I don't know. I like Crazy Eyes. He might be really good...

But, & this is the issue with all the moves that GarPax make, He doesn't really help the team when we already have an overstocked front court. The idea of drafting the best player available, or of maintaining financial flexibility is only worth anything if they do something with it. The FO is ego driven, petty, & completely risk averse. Ultimately useless.

2011 - Norris Cole (back up PG solidified)
>2012, Thibs wanted Draymond
>2013, Thibs wanted Gorgui Dieng
>2014, Jusuf Nurkic, & Gary Harris. Or Rodney Hood
>2015, Portis -

Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!

I, as a 'not at all as qualified' observer, saw ALL of those guys as people we needed. And they ALL are about where I'd expected them to be at this point. If we had Darymond, Dieng, Nurkic and Hood...

UGH!

Rose/Norris
Butler/Hood
Draymond/Nikola
Taj/Dieng
Noah/Nurkic

^^^Could have been our roster LAST season. Assuming we pay Draymond here, Pau would not have been on the team (nor needed).

*sigh* Thibs is gonna build a monster in Minny and he has excellent pieces as it stands.

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...at least in Thibs system. lol

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>2014, McDermott -
>They traded 2 first round picks for marginal NBA athleticism,
>knowing their win-now team was coached by a dude who wouldn't
>play a defensive liability, especially a rookie one. Also we
>still could have used a big. Look at the guys pulled with
>those picks, Jusuf Nurkic, & Gary Harris. Or Rodney Hood who
>was on the radar at the time as well.

Always wondered if the McDermott pick was the FO's way of replacing Korver (since we gave him away for nothing).

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#1 PG coming out of his freshmen class, a five-star HS prospect, had a strong tournament... vs. Dray, who was a 3-star HS prospect, a 22-year-old bamma. Teague was more of a "project," it's true... but I can't find a single mock that had Dray going above Teague-- looking back at a few 2012 mocks, I've seen Teague going as high as 20, whereas I've only seen one with Dray going in the late first. Not that I'm saying no one would've thought Dray was a better prospect necessarily... but when most everyone has Teague coming off the board before Dray, I can't fault the Bulls for swinging and missing there.

(People talking about how they could've kept Cole are overlooking that the Bulls wouldn't have Mirotic, the man with "second-best-Euro-of-all-time potential" (c) someone in that one post, I forget who.)

Now the Snell and McDermott picks I wouldn't defend. But I understood shooting for Teague with the potential pick, and I certainly liked the Portis pick.

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If Timmy retires, I'd be even more confident in that prediction. I thought he should have went there in the first place but can't blame him for taking a good contract with, at the time, a potential contender.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

>If Timmy retires, I'd be even more confident in that
>prediction. I thought he should have went there in the first
>place but can't blame him for taking a good contract with, at
>the time, a potential contender.


Good from who's perspective? Isn't Pau earning under $8 per year right now? Would be wild to see him in that Spurs Silver and Black since he got his rings with the Lakers, but he'd be a fool to pass up playing with that almighty Poppovich Buzzsaw.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

If he wants to win and play in a system and culture that is perfect for his strengths and personality, SA would be it. I'm a Lakers fan and don't think it would be "wild" to see him there, players want to win and fit in; the rest is irrelevant.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

SA is fine with Laker fans. It's those other two teams we hate.

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@geahuwine

@geahuwine

During the trade deadline rush when the rumor du jour was that the Bulls were looking to make it work with the Kings, this front office was making moves to get another ball dominant, heavy usage, low efficiency scorer...

WHY!? WTF will it take for GarPax to be fired? What do they actually do well?

But GarPax plays well with the owners and takes bullets when need be so they're set for now.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

For years to come unless they pull off something major...

He could replace Pau.

I think adding a few pieces like him and maybe Ryan Anderson would work. Guys I'd like the Bulls to target:

1-Durant: Due diligence. Wet dream. (Max offer, 25+ Mil)

2-Horford: We resign Noah at a discount, bring in his homey from college and we should be able to afford it. (Noah at 8 mil for 3 years, Horford at 15-17 mil for 4yrs, last year, team option)

3-Ryan Anderson: Tall shooter who can rebound, gritty, perfect for hoiball...a little injury prone though. (if we got Horford and had to resign Noah to get him, this would take some work. An offer in the 9-10 mil for 2yrs would be comfortable)

4-Allen Crabbe: We could offer him something PDX can't, an opportunity to start. He has good range and is active on the court. Another good fit for Hoiball. (Short of getting Anderson, I'd go with Crabbe and Horford. We could probably net Crabbe for 4/20-24mil deal and an inside track on the starting SF job)

5-Nicolas Batum: Improved as a shooter this year and top notch on D. Would love to pair him with Jimmy+Noah/Taj on D. Crabbe is younger (and probably cheaper), which is the only reason I'd want him before Batum. I'd also consider Harrison Barnes here but I think he'll be grossly overpaid based on bidding so we might not want to enter that race. (15 mil for 3 yrs is where I'd max out for Batum. Him plus Anderson would be a good haul)

6-Ty Lawson (back up PG) - 1st choice to hold things down when Derrick gets hurt. Perfect for pace and space though not as dead eye of a shooter. Loves to push the ball and is a good passer for those 3's. (He'd want about 7-8 mil, I'd offer him 5-6.)

7-Mirza Teletovic - I like his offensive game and I think he could contribute well off the bench. Replace Snell or Cameron Bairstow with him. (5-6 mil over 2 years would be comfortable for us, I'd be cool with that for him and anyone below him on this list)

8-Norris Cole (back up PG) - Short of Ty, I'd want Norris. Basically he's a younger and taller version of Aaron Brooks. Just not as good of a 3pt shooter and a better defender. I'd take that trade off.

9-Tyler Johnson (back up PG) - Young promising PG that made some strides in Mia this season before he got hurt. If we whiff on the first two PG options, I'd take a waiver on Tyler.


1st Choice: Durant
Rose/E'twaun
Jimmy/Justin Holiday
Durant/McDermott/Dunny
Taj/Mirotic
Portis/Felicio
Would likely have to lose either Noah or Taj to get Durant and since Noah is a FA, it'd likely be him.

2nd Chioce: Horford+Anderson
Rose/E'twaun
Jimmy/Justin Holiday
McDermott/Dunny
Mirotic/Anderson/Portis
Horford/Noah/Felicio
*Taj is traded to make the numbers work.

3rd Choice: Horford+Crabbe+Lawson or Cole or Johnson
Rose/Lawson
Jimmy/Justin Holiday
Crabbe/McDermott/Dunny (this could flip flop based on training camp)
Mirotic/Portis
Horford/Noah/Felicio
*Taj is traded to make the numbers work.

4th Choice: Horford+Batum
Rose/E'twaun
Jimmy/Justin Holiday
Batum/McDermott
Mirotic/Portis
Horford/Noah/Felicio
*Taj and Dunny are traded to make the numbers work to get both of these guys and I REALLY like this option but it's less likely than those above it.

5th Choice: Batum+Anderson+Crabbe+Cole
Rose/E'twaun
Jimmy/Crabbe/Norris Cole
Batum/McDermott/Dunny
Mirotic/Anderson
Portis/Felicio
Letting Noah, E'twaun go and trading Taj makes this work.

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i didn't read all of this but your numbers are way off. horford will get 20+ per year, and ryno and batum both will get something close to it. we might even see guys like bazemore and fournier in the 15M annual range.

if i was running a team, i'd seriously consider punting on '16 free agency and waiting a year for the market to settle. the contracts this summer are going to be stupid.

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15/3 for Nic?

No lol

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

I can't call the market with the cap increase but figured I'd take a stab at it. My numbers were slight raises (Horford and Batum made like 13 mil this year).

So you think we should stand pat but what do you think they're going to do?

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shit's getting crazier and major © b.i.

woj was on le batard yesterday saying tyler johnson would get 10M per.

it's a whole new world.

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reading you pine for AL HORFORD gives me the same pleasure and shame feeling i get when i'm picking at the meat underneath a fresh-off-the-rotisserie $5 chicken from dat 'Co. like, it's greasy and messy and disgusting and pressed....BUT IT'S SO GOOD!!!! dat meat be tender!!!

y'all feelings so tender right now and i'm just watching.

*licks fingers*


MMMMMMMMMPH!

delicious.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

>reading you pine for AL HORFORD gives me the same pleasure
>and shame feeling i get when i'm picking at the meat
>underneath a fresh-off-the-rotisserie $5 chicken from dat 'Co.
>like, it's greasy and messy and disgusting and pressed....BUT
>IT'S SO GOOD!!!! dat meat be tender!!!

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

Because I realize an nba 'fan' without a home could never truly lose.

It's like fighting a man with 16 arms, 16 legs, 28 lungs. I'll get worn out waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before you do.

You claim YOUR college teams pros
You claim OTHER college teams pros
You claim HIGH SCHOOLERS before they do ANYTHING

All I got is the Bulls and Tarheel pros.

And the Tarheels are only good for complimentary pieces to a team right now. Bulls rebuilding. Yet you got...Kyrie, Klay, Myles Turner, Russy, Paul George, Blake, Jabari, Jahlil, all other Duke pros.

^^^No win for anybody. And when someone fails (Scrubby ass gunner, Bennett, any Duke pro, B-Mac...so far, etc.) you chuck them in the bushes and prop up another dude.

Ole Bulletproof Spunk ass nigga. lol

So...Congrats? *shoulder shrug*

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Well damn....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

i don't know why you worried about half those things you named.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

makes a right move or be screwed to watching garbage for the next 4 years.

Nah.

I'll just change the channel.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

Verbatim.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

That's assuming they let all of their free agents walk.

With that money, what I'd like to see, which seems realistic, is:

resign E'Twaun for 3 mil

pick up Felicio's <1 mil team option

sign Ian Mahinmi for about 6-7 mil

sign Jared Dudley for about 6-7 mil

Draft the best player available, hopefully a backup PG

Those moves would address the weaknesses from last season like defense and toughness. The Bulls will be too good to get a high draft pick and too bad to contend for a championship so might as well have another developing year for the young players before Rose's contract ends.

I'd welcome a roster looking like:

PG - Rose, Moore, rookie
SG- Holiday, Moore, Butler
SF - Butler, McDermott, Dudley/Dunleavy
PF - Gibson, Mirotic, Portis
C - Mahinmi, Felicio

That roster has improved toughness and would allow Hoiberg to go small too.

with its current makeup of Coach/Star/Star

@geahuwine

Pau/LMA is essentially unplayable against small-ball lineups & Pau isn't going to bang w/ OKC bigs so I thought Noah might be more suited to do the dirty work but dude couldn't even make a layup this past season.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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Trading Derrick Rose or Jimmy Butler should be Bulls' offseason priority

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-derrick-rose-jimmy-butler-trade-spt-0522-20160521-column.html

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>Trading Derrick Rose or Jimmy Butler should be Bulls'
>offseason priority
>
>http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-derrick-rose-jimmy-butler-trade-spt-0522-20160521-column.html


I agree....Tough to trade my boy, Pooh, though. That dude gave the Bulls everything he had....But if we can find a trade partner for him it's a no brainer....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/joakim-noah-has-told-teammates-hes-done-with-the-bulls/

Joakim Noah may have belted out his last primal scream in a Bulls uniform.

According to a Bulls player, Noah has been telling teammates the last few weeks that he was done with the organization once free agency begins, and “has no trust in the front office getting this in the right direction.’’

The player was asked if Noah’s feelings had anything to do with first-year coach Fred Hoiberg and the he said, he said that went on early in the season when Noah lost his starting job, and insisted that Noah didn’t offer up that as an explanation.

What was offered up, however, was the fact that there seems to be a complete mistrust that multiple players have toward general manager Gar Forman, with Noah leading the way.

According to the player, former coach Tom Thibodeau was always able to shield the players from the front office, having them buy into the idea that it was “us against them.’’

However, Hoiberg was deemed a Forman hire, so that wall was very blurry.

What the players have been trying to figure out in building their relationship with Hoiberg has been exactly how tied the coach is with Forman.

“They might not be as tight as everyone, including Gar, thinks,’’ one league source said of the Hoiberg-Forman relationship.

That remains a very important issue moving forward for this team.

“We know there’s at least one assistant that tells Gar everything that goes on,’’ the player said. “There’s a lot of guys that have a problem with that, and not just Jo.’’

A lot of guys aren’t about to hit the free-agent market, however. Noah is.

The 31-year-old is coming off one of his worst seasons since he came into the league as a rookie back in 2007, averaging just 4.3 points and 8.8 rebounds per game, before facing season-ending shoulder surgery after just 29 games.

The numbers told only part of the story, however.

Near the end of training camp, Hoiberg announced that Noah would be coming off the bench. There was a back-and-forth concerning if Noah volunteered for that, with the big man vehemently denying that scenario.

The Noah-Hoiberg relationship seemed to be mending before Noah went down with the injury, but the Noah-Forman bridge remains broken unless there is a complete change of heart.

Noah, who is one of the more charitable players in the entire NBA, had become so annoyed with Forman that he actually turned down a chance to help Bulls Charities earlier this season. According to the player, Noah was approached by Leslie Forman – Gar’s wife, as well as the VP of Bulls Charities – to take place in “some auction where he would have to ride around town with the winner or something like that.”

Noah didn’t like the way he was approached and pressured, so flatly said no.

“Not like Jo at all,’’ the player said.

There was no response from Noah after attempts were made to reach him on the matter. Forman also didn’t respond.

But that also pulls back another layer with the Bulls that rubs players the wrong way. The feeling is there is no accountability with Forman because of the relationship he and his wife have with team president and COO Michael Reinsdorf and his wife, Nancy.

Nancy is the president of Bulls Charities and works closely with Leslie.

“ represents a lot of things that we believe in,’’ VP of basketball operations John Paxson said in mid-April about re-signing Noah. “So we have an affinity for Jo. But we’ve got to talk, we’ve got to see where it goes.’’

It may have already gone.

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smfh.

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I don't believe the front office is going anywhere. At least not soon.
Not sure this relationship can get repaired.

Noah is one of the all time great Bulls, and definitely one of my favorites.
Will never forget that first round series against the Celtics in 2008.
I have games 1 and 3 saved on a hard drive somewhere.
Been trying to find HD versions of the rest of the series.

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I got game 4 and 6 of that series. Find me a way to send you those over 1gb files and I'll hook you up.

Does wetransfer work?

https://digife.com

PM me your email.

http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/joakim-noah-has-told-teammates-hes-done-with-the-bulls/

Joakim Noah may have belted out his last primal scream in a Bulls uniform.

Noah has been telling teammates in recent weeks that he was done with the organization once free agency begins, and “has no trust in the front office getting this in the right direction,’’ according to a Bulls player.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
http://40.media.tumblr.com/d8e2daf9f3f37244cd05436bcdf05973/tumblr_mt4qibKq4c1rgam01o1_1280.png

Dawg, if he signs Noah, I'm making a migration north west.

I mean, I'll keep my heart in the Chi, but my soul will be in Minny.

And if there's ANYTHING to the Butler for Wiggins rumors (though I know there likely isn't...but hell Thibs is VP of Hoops Ops so who knows)

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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
http://40.media.tumblr.com/d8e2daf9f3f37244cd05436bcdf05973/tumblr_mt4qibKq4c1rgam01o1_1280.png

for Jalil, Covington and a few draft picks (#24 and/or 26 this year and/or a conditional 1st rounder in the future)? And they have some cap so they could eat any difference in salary.

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>for Jalil, Covington and a few draft picks (#24 and/or 26
>this year and/or a conditional 1st rounder in the future)?
>And they have some cap so they could eat any difference in
>salary.


No one is giving that up for Rose at this stage......Would be nice though....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

to keep him. They could pay him and if they have any significant improvement next year, which they should given they have the #1 pick, Embiid is slated to play and the roster would fit together better, it'd make sense and I think Rose would consider it.

Actually wouldn't be a bad look for both parties if Rose improves slightly next year. And given he'd be the best player on that team, he'd likely have to shoulder more load and lead those guys until they matured some. I think that'd be perfect for him and them.

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That's where his value really gets discounted

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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

Sixers shouldn't give up all of that for potentially one year of D-Rose.

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But they could do worse.

I think resigning Ish as his back up, limiting him to 30-32 mins a night would work for them.

They could also draft a young PG to develop with their late first rounder if they kept one pick in the trade.

Realistically, no one expects the sixers to be THAT much better without signing or trading for someone significant.

Moving a big for Rose, landing a decent SG or SF FA and drafting Simmons/Ingram #1 and a healthy return for Embiid would make them a lower seed playoff threat immediately in the east.

Worst cases, he's there for a season and they use whatever cap next year to sign a better PG option (they'd be more attractive with a playoff run under their belt too) or he gets hurt and they slightly improve.

Personally, I don't think it'd happen but I'd explore it if I were in the Bulls FO.

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Nah...Pooh's injuries are too much to deal with.....Not happening...But again, it would be an interesting move....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

we'll trade you jah and picks for jimmy, maybe. and if you want to trade us your lottery pick, maybe we'll hold your busted-up, sorry malcontent for a year until FA. Or maybe he can be the cost we have to absorb to take jimmy.

because the only way you're trading rose to anyone other than brooklyn or sacramento is to pay somebody in picks or butler to take him.

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"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

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news flash: you guys are always the very last group of people in the world to figure out that your players aren't nearly as valuable as you think they are.

now repeat that every time you look at butler and mirotic.

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bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

>news flash: you guys are always the very last group of people
>in the world to figure out that your players aren't nearly as
>valuable as you think they are.
>
>now repeat that every time you look at butler and mirotic.

Actually Butler is highly coveted around the league...Beyond that, continue with your Bulls hate....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>Actually Butler is highly coveted around the league...Beyond
>that, continue with your Bulls hate....

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bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

All it takes is a little research, homie...

....U could have stopped with Niko (who u r correct on....He's been very up and down and was more of a commodity before this season)...But nah...lol...U had to get cheeky with it and name Butler when just this week rumors have been swirling that teams (plural) have been circling the Bulls for a trade...I know its agenda fest on here, but lets not go all Trump and start posting shit because it SOUNDS right...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

But cool. Y'all can continue to suck, we'll continue to rebuild.

Be well Shells.

Be well.

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bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

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granted, i like my odds a lot less since Jerry the Snake killed The Architect, but I still like ours better than yoiurs.

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bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

What was the wager? Or was it just in general? Point me to a post.

But the way things are going, OKP probably won't exist by the time either of our teams win. lol

I'll have to hunt you down on twitter or something by the time it happens.

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The 6ers could trade Noel AND Jah AND the #1 for Butler and still be better than they are actually going to be on opening night

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

They already have gobs of cap space so that's no incentive.

I don't see a market for Rose for any team with any sense if that's what the asking price looks like since any deal for Rose would essentially be a favor to the Bulls.

This is why I think both Butler and Rose will be back.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/ct-jimmy-butler-bulls-trade-rosenbloom-20160614-column.html

"Even if the trade talks with the Timberwolves jumped to Butler for Wiggins and the No. 5 overall pick, I still can’t see Gar Forman making that deal because you couldn’t sell the Bulls as a contender next season, and I think it’s possible that Forman has only next season.

John Paxson, by comparison, has forever as part of the Chairman Reinsdorf Family and Friends Plan. But Forman might not. Forman never hit a three to complete a three-peat. Forman would seem to have to make the most of a do-over this season, and that doesn’t include a rebuild with another absent postseason."

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They are losing their two best bigs AND in turn interior depth.

Major losses on offense (Pau) and defense (Noah).

Where's that production gonna come from? Portis can improve and mitigate some of it I suppose but Taj is on the decline and Niko is a SF masquerading as a stretch 4.

Granted, they might get a 3-7 game improvement just off of consistent effort and a healthier season but how does that make us a contender?

I don't see it. There needs to be a semi-major move this summer for them to sell a 42-40 team losing 2 big pieces as anything near a contender.

Makes no sense to waste a year of Jimmy's prime and hold on to Derrick a season too long if we can find a taker for a decent price. Should just start the rebuild now unless they can sign a significant FA (not Harrison Barnes) or make a trade no one saw coming (Horford).

Personally, I think Gar should be fired this summer anyway. Noah's departure (as well as a few in the past) don't give a favorable view of our FO. Clearing deck might help attract players going forward. Why wait a year?

But eh...

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Or, in a best case scenario, Murray?

Hield and Murray are both guys that Hoiberg would fucking *love.* They'd thrive in his system. Wiggins isn't really the type of shooter than Hoiberg digs, but he plays really fast, which Hoiberg does love, and if anyone can teach Wiggins to shoot, it's a combo of Hoiberg/McDermott/Hield, lol.

I'd do that in a heartbeat. Bulls aren't contenders next year anyway. Stack young assets, make it an enticing location for FAs, and shit, it's the East-- the Bulls could be back really goddamn soon.

(I don't think the T'Wolves would actually make that trade, obviously... but if the Bulls can find a way to make it work, they absolutely should.)

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A scenario where teams trade for D-Rose is going to be one involving another bad contract but a piece that the Bulls would need in the immediate future.

I could see the Kings trading Rudy/Kofus for D-Rose.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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>for Jalil, Covington and a few draft picks (#24 and/or 26
>this year and/or a conditional 1st rounder in the future)?
>And they have some cap so they could eat any difference in
>salary.
>

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for the $21 mil in cap, as a show of loyalty and to make him the bad guy in the press.

Hedge on him NOT returning to form as justification for a more reasonable offer for his services (if any offer at all) and if he returned to form, let someone outbid us for the perennial risk of knees.

We went 42-40 last year. Expectations are tempered.

Short of getting something similar to the deal I laid out with the Sixers...why for?

I guess they got 'something' and I'd welcome Grant proving me wrong, but...I doubt it.