So...Hue Jackson took the Cleveland job??? with control over personnel???

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This dude is determined to lose anytime he ventures out of a coordinator postition. All this, and to stay in that division to boot?

Grand Opening, Grand Closing

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Seriously though...does he not have any friends or advisors?

You want to take the Cleveland gig, tat's enough of a shock in and of itself but to take on GM responsibility over THAT damned franchise in THAT division...why not say you are going to climb everest in Tims, XXXL stonewashed jeans and a North Face jacket.

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>to climb everest in Tims, XXXL stonewashed jeans and a North
>Face jacket.

Cause if he does this though? He'll do what Belicek couldnt do.

Worst case he loses he knows he goes back to coordinator world. Not like hell be out of a job long. Swing for the fences.

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>
>>to climb everest in Tims, XXXL stonewashed jeans and a North
>>Face jacket.
>
>Cause if he does this though? He'll do what Belicek couldnt
>do.

Sure. Not gonna happen tho. That's why a smart person doesn't do it.

>
>Worst case he loses he knows he goes back to coordinator
>world.

For the rest of his career

Not like hell be out of a job long. Swing for the
>fences.

Okay, you gon' be old and sad like Romeo Crennel tho.

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He didn't even make it to NY, who were waiting for him.

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Hue and Coughlin are nothing alike

Have much different visions

So that doesn't make sense

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and didn't invite hue back for round 2.

like maiocco said, it's like finding a spouse --- you only officially propose when you already know the answer.

i'd just as figure hue didn't want SF.

And with the Yorks, I can't say that I'd blame him if that was the case.

>and didn't invite hue back for round 2.

Was/is there a Round 2? Would they need one? I thought the story was they'd talked to Hue for 5 hours. I'd hope that pretty much covers everything you'd need to know.

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>And with the Yorks, I can't say that I'd blame him if that
>was the case.
>
>>and didn't invite hue back for round 2.
>
>Was/is there a Round 2? Would they need one? I thought the
>story was they'd talked to Hue for 5 hours. I'd hope that
>pretty much covers everything you'd need to know.

People re just making shit up.

He went to his first two interviews, and thought Browns offer of personnel control was too good to risk losing.

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>And with the Yorks, I can't say that I'd blame him if that
>was the case.
>
>>and didn't invite hue back for round 2.
>
>Was/is there a Round 2? Would they need one? I thought the
>story was they'd talked to Hue for 5 hours. I'd hope that
>pretty much covers everything you'd need to know.

hmmm... the browns brought him back for a round 2 two days later. maybe just a formality to hammer out the compensation package (roster control), though.

Honestly I thought he would have been great

and a choice between Cleveland and NY? Thought it would have been obvious

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so I'm not sure how relevant your statement was.

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He knew that, is too good or qualified for that dumb
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>
>He knew that, is too good or qualified for that dumb
>shit
>

THEY HAVE A BLACK GM!


So back up exactly how you KNOW this or I'm calling BS

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This is the ontogeny of diversity offices at every
institution

It's a cushion against "racism" accusations.

Giants (and good for them) already have a black man with
some authority. No reason for two.


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>This is the ontogeny of diversity offices at every
>institution
>
>It's a cushion against "racism" accusations.
>
>Giants (and good for them) already have a black man with
>some authority. No reason for two.
>

Okay, so you just made this up. That's cool too.

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

And if Hue isn't successful there is a chance that the GM is gone. That means there is no guarantee the new GM would want Hue.


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Another reason to take that job


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Reese would be gone before Hue.


Reese is on the hot seat, 100% more than whoever they bring in as coach. Barring epic meltdown or loss of locker room.

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Gotta take the worst opportunity just to get an opportunity at all. Bet on yourself and do the work.

I give him credit tho. Why become a rooney rule interview while all the jobs get gobbled up?


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Same as it ever was!

LMAO @ yall thinking he had those other jobs in the
fucking bag

Bwahahahaha

No he didn't

And what team is going to give a BLACK MAN control over
coaching AND personnel?

Getting control over personnel was probably the kicker for him. Not sure why his having control over personnel (and he always can hire a front office guy he trusts to help him) would be a bad thing from his standpoint.

And lower expectations to start with in Cleveland. Just not sure how you turn that down when there's no guarantee you'll get another HC offer.

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two DIFFERENT black men?

Not unless he just wants a quick check. He is going to lose, a lot, and get fired pretty soon.

>LMAO @ yall thinking he had those other jobs in the
>fucking bag

Alot of openings and his name is ringing bells. This smells of desperation.

>
>Bwahahahaha
>
>No he didn't
>
>And what team is going to give a BLACK MAN control over
>coaching AND personnel?
>

Control of personnel gets you fired and forgotten. He shoulda gone to NYC, or really any other job. He basically just fired himself.

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Exactly! Just because a "fan base" wants a coach doesn't mean the organization is going to go with said coach.

Also, Hue black - he might just be that organizations Rooney Rule interview.

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>Exactly! Just because a "fan base" wants a coach doesn't mean
>the organization is going to go with said coach.
>
>Also, Hue black - he might just be that organizations Rooney
>Rule interview.
>

So...the smart move is take the first good offer you get even though it is easily the worst job available, working for the worst people at the least successful company with zero assets?

Got it!!!

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When you're black, you're going to be blamed either way,
so you take the job where you at least have real input

>
>When you're black, you're going to be blamed either way,
>so you take the job where you at least have real input


It never works and you will be fired.

Also, GM/Coach of Cleveland Browns vs HC of Giants is an easy one.

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>Also, GM/Coach of Cleveland Browns vs HC of Giants is an easy
>one.

He was offered to *interview*

And the Giants hadn't fulfilled their Rooney obligation,
and were going to hire some random white guy anyway

He knows these things, you do not

>
>>Also, GM/Coach of Cleveland Browns vs HC of Giants is an
>easy
>>one.
>
>He was offered to *interview*
>
>And the Giants hadn't fulfilled their Rooney obligation,
>and were going to hire some random white guy anyway
>
>He knows these things, you do not
>

He took the first (or second) job he was offered. I know that.

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>He took the first (or second) job he was offered. I know
>that.

He's a SLAM DUNK for the 49ers, who are more interested
in exploring the Chip situation

So he's ALREADY been dicked out of a job for NO REASON

He's ALREADY served as a token minority interview

The Browns were like "We do NOT consider you a token; we'll
give you lots of money and respect your black mind enough to
give you decision making power."

NO TEAM will do that with a black coach.

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>
>>He took the first (or second) job he was offered. I know
>>that.
>
>He's a SLAM DUNK for the 49ers, who are more interested
>in exploring the Chip situation

Says who??? He didn't bite on Niners offer

>
>So he's ALREADY been dicked out of a job for NO REASON

Says who? You are back to making shit up huh?

>
>He's ALREADY served as a token minority interview

There is not one shred of evidence that teams were not genuinely interested and plenty of evidence that they were.

>
>The Browns were like "We do NOT consider you a token; we'll
>give you lots of money and respect your black mind enough to
>give you decision making power."
>


This fan fiction shit has to stop. You're embarassing yourself.

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Cleveland, because they get their ass whooped by
two supreme black coaches, knows how to treat a black
man

San Francisco does not




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>
>Cleveland, because they get their ass whooped by
>two supreme black coaches, knows how to treat a black
>man
>
>San Francisco does not


Well you are making all this up but nonetheless, Hue lost.


Unless you are willing to stake some claim that the Browns will turn out to be a playoff team under Jackson?

Because what IS going to happen is he is going to be fired, ignominously.

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So its going to be a good division

But hard for all 3 to make the playoffs every year


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>
>So its going to be a good division
>
>But hard for all 3 to make the playoffs every year
>

Another reason why this is a terrible job!


Just terrible.


The Browns know the job sucks so they reeled him in with personnel control which works because NFL coaches have egos. But personnel control, especially on a loser franchise, is a recipe for getting fired. Who has it worked for?

I mean, you acting like I don't think dude can coach. I bet he CAN coach and he should have AT LEAST gone to the Giants interview and seen if they saw eye to eye. I hate the Giants but they are about business. Not only that but there are a few jobs worth taking, the Browns job is the worst of them all and honestly, Hue is getting another HC shot no matter what. Name me another coach whose name was ringing like this and who was known for coaching offense, who didn't get a shot?

He jumped at the first offer and while I understand WHY, it was a terrible decision and he will likely not get another shot with the leverage he had this time. By the time he leaves Cleveland he will be dragged through Haslam's mud and three losing seasons and that will be it for his HC chances.

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>He jumped at the first offer and while I understand WHY, it
>was a terrible decision and he will likely not get another
>shot with the leverage he had this time. By the time he leaves
>Cleveland he will be dragged through Haslam's mud and three
>losing seasons and that will be it for his HC chances.

Umm

The leverage he had earned him an offer with personnel
control, which is the single biggest gripe of ever head
coach ever: that they don't get to choose the pieces

That's *always* the problem with head coaching

Cleveland UNLIKE San Francisco came at him as an EXPERT
off rip. That's what leverage gets you.

HE SHOULD HAVE been at the top of EVERYONE'S list.

San Fran SHOULD NOT be fucking around and waiting.

Cleveland is the only team that treated him as his
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Not even one iota of backtracking but you love a false narrative.

>>He jumped at the first offer and while I understand WHY, it
>>was a terrible decision and he will likely not get another
>>shot with the leverage he had this time. By the time he
>leaves
>>Cleveland he will be dragged through Haslam's mud and three
>>losing seasons and that will be it for his HC chances.
>
>Umm
>
>The leverage he had earned him an offer with personnel
>control, which is the single biggest gripe of ever head
>coach ever: that they don't get to choose the pieces
>
>That's *always* the problem with head coaching


Well, we know where I stand on this. Personnel control for a head coach is guaranteed to be a disaster.

I don't care if it's Chip Kelly, who I liked, or John Gruden, who I loathed, it is ALWAYS a bad idea.

DAT CONSISTENCY


>
>Cleveland UNLIKE San Francisco came at him as an EXPERT
>off rip. That's what leverage gets you.
>
>HE SHOULD HAVE been at the top of EVERYONE'S list.
>
>San Fran SHOULD NOT be fucking around and waiting.
>
>Cleveland is the only team that treated him as his
>credentials warranted
>

This is all stuff you just made up

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Zero coaches in league history would say:

"Hey, I want less input on personnel."

That is the single biggest point of contention on
an NFL team: who gets to pick the pieces vs. who gets
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>
>Zero coaches in league history would say:
>
>"Hey, I want less input on personnel."
>
>That is the single biggest point of contention on
>an NFL team: who gets to pick the pieces vs. who gets
>to call the plays and run the team
>

Oh every coach wants that power although it never, ever works.


That said, I bet plenty of coaches would rather have no personnel power in a great situation than personnel power in a terrible one.


Not complicated.


And when Hue is fired in a couple years I'll come through to hear about what a great opportunity the Browns were.

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>
>That said, I bet plenty of coaches would rather have no
>personnel power in a great situation than personnel power in a
>terrible one.

Except NONE of the jobs were "great situations."

They were all shitty situations for various reasons.



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>
>>
>>That said, I bet plenty of coaches would rather have no
>>personnel power in a great situation than personnel power in
>a
>>terrible one.
>
>Except NONE of the jobs were "great situations."
>
>They were all shitty situations for various reasons.


Can we agree that the Browns were the worst of the jobs available?

Reasonable people can disagree about whether taking the worst job in order to have personnel control is a good move.

We can disagree about whether he is better off accepting that Browns offer rather than risk not getting another situation.


But the Browns were the worst job and he took it because they offered personnel control and he probably knew no one else would do that. He was a highly sought after candidate and the Browns are the most desperate franchise out there so they had to make him a big offer.

You think he was right to take it.

I think he fucked up.

Time will tell.

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show Lil Gruden how to use QB talent.

We'll see how it goes. Rooting for him.

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RG3 as the Cleveland QB sounds good to me. (waits for Cleveland fans to use that line in a rap song)

"Dressed up like an evil villain dressed up like a soccer dad"

..but the glazer family seems to be struggling to find consistency with solid/savvy business moves.


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sounds like he came up to me. i wish him luck.

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>sounds like he came up to me. i wish him luck.

He's one of the hottest candidates in the league and he just took the worst job available before he even made it out anywhere else. And this in a year where there are a bunch of good jobs!


He ended up with the worst job. How is this a good look? He is fired in 3 years or less and will be considered a coordinator for life after that.

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i think he'll be successful, and wish him the best.

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>i think he'll be successful, and wish him the best.

duly noted.

For the record, I wish him no ill but there is no way he is going to be successful in that division, with those owners, and with their roster and some vague "control over personnel".


They will never even get to .500

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but in a macro sense, EVERY nfl head coaching job is a good job. there are only 32 on the planet. we're not privy to all of the internal goings-on and it's possible that hue didn’t have the extent of leverage that you are assuming he did. that san fran or new york were going to offer him is entirely speculative on your part. there's no guarantee at all that that was going to be the case. and if cleveland had a concrete offer on the table, with personnel power, he'd be a fool to turn that down on the strength of a 'maybe' possibly coming in from somewhere else.

imo.

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Anybody who undervalues the power of decision-making power
with personnel is an imbecile.

That is the single biggest frustration with every single
head coach in any sport, ever: that they are given talent
and are asked to make miracles with it.

There are NO coaches in the NFL who would choose a mediocre
existing team with no personnel decision-making power
over a bad team with personnel decision-making power. It's
not because of ego. It's because a coach has to create schemes
based on personnel. It's a fairly non-controversial and obvious
point to anyone who isn't a fucking imbecile.

And then you add in race:

Black people don't get decision-making power. They are
generally speaking asked to work magic negro magic.

Cleveland stepped to Hue like a grown man whose mind they
respect. You have to take that job as a professional who
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Seeing someone like OE,- who for all he doesn't know about American football, is a profound and dedicated online race-crusader- co-sign this move by Hue is just sad.


It's like seeing the guy who graduated at the top of your college class grinning while he mops floors at the neighborhood Popeyes. You tell him you could probably get him something at your job but he just shakes his head like "I can't risk losing this, no sir, mmm-mmm" and goes back to moppin'



It's pathetic.


No way in hell this was the only job he could get and personnel control is the same thing that got him fired in Oakland.

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It's an analogy.

One in which the CURRENT Ceveland Browns HC job is equivalent to mopping a Popeyes floor, within their respective industries.


I'll stand behind that one.

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Mark hired a new GM who wanted his own guys in there, not leftovers from the Al Davis regime. He got the team a game away from the playoffs.

And it's not like Hue is operating ignorantly here. Like he didn't know the other jobs were out there. He met with the Giants and apparently wasn't wowed by them so he chose the team that REALLY wanted him and had him at the top of their list and would give him more control.

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Mark let him have the job first.

>Mark hired a new GM who wanted his own guys in there, not
>leftovers from the Al Davis regime. He got the team a game
>away from the playoffs.

While frittering away their future in a bad bet.

>
>And it's not like Hue is operating ignorantly here. Like he
>didn't know the other jobs were out there. He met with the
>Giants and apparently wasn't wowed by them so he chose the
>team that REALLY wanted him and had him at the top of their
>list and would give him more control.

That's a cool story but what that DID NOT ACTUALLY HAPPEN.

What did happen was he met with Browns and took the job before hearing the Giants or any other offers besides one from the equally moribund/dysfunctionl Niners on Sunday. Giants requested permission to speak with him on Monday.

He took the first job he was offered basically.

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Either way, the Browns were going after him hard it seems and offering him what he wanted. I just don't see it as a bad move.

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Black people don't get personnel decision making power.
White boys half as good as Hue do. So you're thinking like
a white boy with Hue's credentials. He'd inherit a super bowl
caliber team AND have GM rights OFF JUMP.

Black people don't have that.

Hue recognizes that you're going to get blamed ANYWAY and
so you MIGHT AS WELL take the one where you have REAL INPUT
on personnel.

>No way in hell this was the only job he could get and
>personnel control is the same thing that got him fired in
>Oakland.

A) He didn't have personnel decision-making power in Oakland.
He co-signed a move for Carson Palmer, who is now an MVP
candidate, which is what Hue saw

b) Black people don't get personnel decision-making power


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