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southphillyman
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"who does ben simmons translate to in the nba?"


  

          

cause it ain't lebron james
i saw someone say royce white and that made me chuckle but seriously though
6'9 passer/rebounder with no J
can he marbury cradle move his way to basket in the NBA @ <240lbs?
or will he be another top 5 trob?

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he doesn't have a J?
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Not at the moment, no.
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      Yeh, the mechanics are there and workable
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           RE: Yeh, the mechanics are there and workable
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People say "Lebron" as a synonym for "all around player", I feel like.
Dec 03rd 2015
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agreed but not sure how this fits on the lakers or sixers....
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      He'd fit on either.
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           spacing nightmare.
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           yea that's what i was getting at
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                They'd need to make extra moves, for sure.
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                if you're playing those three together
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           I really like Skal, but I'd be surprised.
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                Kris Dunn gonna be nice.
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He's not LeBron, but the comparisons are evident.
Dec 03rd 2015
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won't be drafted as one but would be interesting to see him play
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      A smart team would use him the same way teams have used Bron.
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Draymond Green :)
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Skill set. Young Diaw
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phoenix diaw game w/ the lebron bod
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Exactly. Like if Diaw wasn't French and loved cheese, bread, & wine.
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      lol
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      https://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/diaw-wine.jpg
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           This picture is all kinds of hilarious
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LOL! Stick sticking it out, eh?
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Here we go...
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yupppppppppppppp
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      Good kid...good player...
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He might just be Ben Simmons.
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A damn good player who will excel in a team concept
Dec 03rd 2015
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Kobe announces his un-retirement by Game 2, Nike releases...
Dec 04th 2015
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Simmons and then getting Big Cuz....
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He's a light skin Lamar Odumb
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So a hybrid Scottie Pippen?
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      ...I didn't know Simmons was a lockdown defender
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he's not LeBron but this sounds like 'LeBron at a glance'
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gargamel
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RE: who does ben simmons translate to in the nba?
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Kungset
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1. "he doesn't have a J?"
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seems like a Lamar Odom type

  

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Frank Longo
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4. "Not at the moment, no."
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Not a consistent one, at least. His release is fine.

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6. "Yeh, the mechanics are there and workable "
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Not worried about his jumper....he's never had to develop a consistent one with the athletic advantage he has but you can see that the ingredients are there.

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36. "RE: Yeh, the mechanics are there and workable "
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>Not worried about his jumper....he's never had to develop a
>consistent one with the athletic advantage he has but you can
>see that the ingredients are there.

Right, it's not like watching MCW or Mudiay shoot the ball. I mean how many guys at that age, with that type of athleticism and playmaking ability have been lights-out shooters?

  

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Ryan M
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2. "People say "Lebron" as a synonym for "all around player", I feel like."
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But I dunno, if he ended up to be Draymond Green, the team that drafts him would be happy as fuck.

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3. "agreed but not sure how this fits on the lakers or sixers...."
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> if he ended up to be Draymond Green, the team
>that drafts him would be happy as fuck.

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5. "He'd fit on either."
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That said who knows, Skal may go #1. Could be a situation like this year where the consensus #1 goes #2-#3 by draft time.

But even if not...I think an Okafor/Noel/Simmons core is GREAT (I'm just assuming no Embiid but even then, my goodness)

For the Lakers...a core of Randle/Russell/Clarkson/Simmons? I'd take it in a heartbeat.

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8. "spacing nightmare."
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>I think an Okafor/Noel/Simmons core is GREAT

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14. "yea that's what i was getting at"
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sixers in particular need someone who can stretch the floor right now
stauskas is basically a bust and cmon @ covington or canaan long term

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Frank Longo
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18. "They'd need to make extra moves, for sure."
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That's more of an indictment of the Sixers than of Simmons though, obviously.

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19. "if you're playing those three together"
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and not one is even @ a league-average pts per shot outside of 10 ft, it's going to be pretty easy for any smart coach to defend.

ideally you want 2 of them to develop a consistent elbow jumper. and it makes no basketball sense to have jah shooting 16 footers. so the real key for that team is going to be nerlens. and whether he can pull an ibaka and add a foot or 2 to his range every year. that'd change the whole geometry of the floor.

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Frank Longo
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10. "I really like Skal, but I'd be surprised."
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Simmons is averaging 20/15/6/2.5/1.5 at the moment. And if he gets more aggressive and/or his teammates start making open shots, those numbers could actually *improve.*

I don't think this is like last year where the top 3 inspire some real debate, unless Skal really amps up his rebounding and becomes the leader of an undefeated UK team, or unless Simmons really sucks against tougher opponents late in the season.

I think Simmons will be the clear #1, Skal the clear #2 imo, and then the rest is a toss-up, depending on potential and/or numbers. Guys like Brown, Dunn, Murray, Ingram, Poeltl. Maybe that Euro dude Bender. Maybe guys like Rabb or Diallo. Who knows. But my #1 and #2 are pretty locked in unless something very unexpected happens.

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12. "Kris Dunn gonna be nice."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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Frank Longo
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7. "He's not LeBron, but the comparisons are evident."
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1. He's an incredible ballhandler/passer for his size. Incredible. No one his size better at these things since Bron. Buttery smooth with the rock.

2. He's already been blamed for being *too much* of a passer-- in early games, he'd rather pass to the open man than barrel into the paint to look for the clutch shot. Not that this is a good or bad thing... but just like people accused Bron for years of wanting to be more of a Magic than an MJ, Simmons is being accused of the same-- of being "too unselfish."

3. He's absolutely capable of taking a game over when he wants. He hasn't done it yet in a whole game at LSU from what I've seen, but you can see it for stretches-- and the second half of the UNF game was the Simmons Show. It was the first time a lot of people started to realize that there's a reason he's the consensus #1 by a lot. Granted, that was UNF... but in SEC play, there are a few teams he'll need to drop 30-40 against in order for them to compete, and I expect we'll see him do so more than once.

4. He's, at this early point in his career, not a very good jump shooter. Teams are already sagging off of him and daring him to take long 2s or 3s. His release isn't broken by any means, so there's reason to believe that he can at least get it to the point where teams will have to respect it... but I imagine that, with his handles as strong as they are for his size and his ability to finish at the cup as strong as it is, teams will likely do this to Simmons for most of his career.

5. He's currently on a team full of "bums," saddling the blame for the present deficiencies of the coaching and/or the roster (mostly the coaching imo, the potential is there on the roster). So he's already got that going for him, which is nice. Hooray media storylines!

He's not as fast or strong as LeBron was at this age (though that's not really a knock on him), nor does he have nearly LeBron's presence on defense at the moment. But there really isn't a better player to compare him to-- he's going to try to be the Diet Coke version of LeBron, which should still be plenty good enough to be an All-Star.

I can't imagine a team will try to take the ball out of his hands and make him a more prototypical wing/stretch 4 guy. You put the ball in his hands and let him go to work/create work for others.

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15. "won't be drafted as one but would be interesting to see him play"
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>1. He's an incredible ballhandler/passer for his size.
>Incredible. No one his size better at these things since Bron.
>Buttery smooth with the rock.
>

extended minutes at "PG"

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17. "A smart team would use him the same way teams have used Bron."
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Start him alongside a PG who's more of a 3-point shooter than pure creator. Put the ball in Simmons' hands, let the PG chill outside the perimeter. Simmons drives, kicks back to the "PG," who can either take the open 3 or make the extra pass to the even more open guy.

Bron has rarely been the "point guard" on the floor-- there's usually a guy of traditional PG size and skill alongside him. But he's the straw stirring the drink, so to speak. I think a smart team would give Simmons the chance to do the same.

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9. "Draymond Green :)"
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11. "Skill set. Young Diaw"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2435994&mesg_id=2435994&listing_type=search

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20. "phoenix diaw game w/ the lebron bod"
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21. "Exactly. Like if Diaw wasn't French and loved cheese, bread, & wine."
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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25. "lol"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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28. "https://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/diaw-wine.jpg"
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https://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/diaw-wine.jpg

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33. "This picture is all kinds of hilarious"
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22. "LOL! Stick sticking it out, eh? "
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13. "Here we go..."
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16. "yupppppppppppppp"
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bwhahahahah
it's no anti LSU agendas on here and dude is going be putting up numbers in college so there won't be the 1 tourney game anthony bennett analysis stuff (tho those ppl were right)
i doubt any agenda forms around dude basically
edit: until he gets to the nba, depending on who drafts him

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37. "Good kid...good player..."
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>bwhahahahah
>it's no anti LSU agendas on here and dude is going be putting
>up numbers in college so there won't be the 1 tourney game
>anthony bennett analysis stuff (tho those ppl were right)
>i doubt any agenda forms around dude basically
>edit: until he gets to the nba, depending on who drafts him

No need for comps. Especially proven NBA comps. I was hoping he avoided all that by playing at LSU.

He should work on that jumper though. He won't be facing these D-leaguers and future Enterprise employees next season. People are going to regret those Odom/Lebron comparisons.

Besides I thought RBO already gave us the REAL SOLID scouting report a month ago.


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23. "He might just be Ben Simmons."
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I know we're looking for comps and what not, but when I watch him play, i don't really see a strong comparison to anyone else in the NBA right now.

There's some Bron similarities cuz of the size and skill level, but the aesthetic is all different to me. It just doesn't look the same.

I'm looking forward to seeing what the kid turns into. There have been a lot of good players come of of college recently, but the last guy i really remember putting up beast numbers as a freshman was Durant.

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24. "A damn good player who will excel in a team concept"
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His willingness to move the ball is such a rare characteristic...that's why I would love to see him alongside DLo in LA, that ball would be whipping around so quickly...would be beautiful to watch.

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26. "Kobe announces his un-retirement by Game 2, Nike releases..."
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the Air Mamba Monkeywrench by Game 3

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27. "Simmons and then getting Big Cuz...."
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we'd be ready to roll

  

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29. "He's a light skin Lamar Odumb"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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30. "So a hybrid Scottie Pippen?"
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31. "...I didn't know Simmons was a lockdown defender"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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32. "he's not LeBron but this sounds like 'LeBron at a glance'"
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>6'9 passer/rebounder with no J

12 years in and I still cringe until that ball hits the net

  

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34. "gargamel"
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35. "RE: who does ben simmons translate to in the nba?"
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Can he be a "fulltime" 3 in the NBA?

Like yeah I realize he will log minutes at the 4 (and maybe even the 5 in Warriorsesque ultra-small ball lineups) but can he a starting Wing in the league?

A Nerlens-Jah-Ben frontcourt initially will be a spacing problem, but we aren't at the point where you are just trying to find the missing piece. Yeah we need guys who can stretch the floor, but I think the bigger issue is we don't have a playmaker. We have no one who can make something happen with the ball in their hands.

  

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