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ErnestLee
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"Price to Sawks. 7/217"
Tue Dec-01-15 05:06 PM by ErnestLee

  

          


Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe reports that the Red Sox and David Price have agreed to a seven-year, $217 million contract.

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wowsers
Dec 01st 2015
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Yea, we knew he'd break the bank, but good lord
Dec 01st 2015
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      He's really not a good GM
Dec 01st 2015
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RE: Price to Sawks. 7/217
Dec 01st 2015
2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE4M5iKgZ3k
Dec 01st 2015
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pockets = straight
Dec 01st 2015
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right? ZERO type of curvature or angling
Dec 02nd 2015
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YIKES
Dec 01st 2015
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whewwww
Dec 01st 2015
8
how much money do they have?
Dec 01st 2015
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Thanks Toronto
Dec 01st 2015
10
Your welcome?
Dec 02nd 2015
22
That seems like a lot of money.
Dec 01st 2015
11
I'm here to read what Walleye has to say on the matter.
Dec 02nd 2015
13
Samardzija, fresh off his 4.96 ERA
Dec 02nd 2015
14
Grienke is the biggest name still left.
Dec 02nd 2015
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All this cable money makes my opinion kind of dull
Dec 02nd 2015
16
      Masterful read there.
Dec 02nd 2015
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           You're right - but they're at the far end of the spectrum
Dec 02nd 2015
18
according to Nightngale (sp?), the Cardinals had him all but wrapped up....
Dec 02nd 2015
19
Damn, the Mets *might* be able to keep ONE of the Big 3.5
Dec 02nd 2015
20
Bart?
Dec 02nd 2015
21

Cenario
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1. "wowsers"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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ErnestLee
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3. "Yea, we knew he'd break the bank, but good lord"
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Ceej
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4. "He's really not a good GM"
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He just has the best checkbooks all the time.

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Ceej
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2. "RE: Price to Sawks. 7/217"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N1CPSD70bY

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5. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE4M5iKgZ3k"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aE4M5iKgZ3k

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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Deebot
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6. "pockets = straight"
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ConcreteCharlie
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12. "right? ZERO type of curvature or angling"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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pretentious username
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7. "YIKES"
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8. "whewwww"
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9. "how much money do they have?"
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They spent a boatload last offseason.... on shit

  

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Ceej
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10. "Thanks Toronto"
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22. "Your welcome?"
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Keeping him by paying that much made no sense for us. We will need the money to extend the MVP, and resign Jose and Edwin. We just need solid enough pitchers to throw 150+ innings and a solid bullpen. I'm more jealous of the Kimbrel pickup than this. Our offence will get us through games if our pitchers can eat up the innings

  

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11. "That seems like a lot of money."
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13. "I'm here to read what Walleye has to say on the matter."
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Also, what other big name pitchers are on the market?

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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14. "Samardzija, fresh off his 4.96 ERA"
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15. "Grienke is the biggest name still left. "
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Though all the buzz has him going to the Giants.

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16. "All this cable money makes my opinion kind of dull"
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He's a really good pitcher. There are fewer and fewer teams every year who would be genuinely hamstrung by balling out on a seven year contract for a 30 year old pitcher, and even when there were a lot of those teams the Red Sox were never one of them. So, he'll probably be really, really good for a few years and then less good as he declines into middle age. But he's a smart pitcher with more working for him than just a big, fat fastball and profiles as the sort of guy who can succeed while losing a bit of his stuff. And he fits Boston's apparent interest in pursuing special lefties, which is kind of a duh. A "meh" lefty in that park should just hang himself by his shoelaces, but the Price/Lester continuum (Eduardo Rodriguez, they hope) is different.

The fun thing that's happened the last couple years is that these opt-out points, which I used to hate for teams, have actually become a pretty nice safety valve when applied to a real life ace like Price. Price can opt out in three years, and provided he stays his healthy self, he almost certainly will. Salaries will keep going up and that affects the top-shelf talent disproportionately. Look at Zack Greinke, hot shit on the FA market three years ago, equally hot shit now.

The time for restraint will be after the 2018 season. For now, the things that Boston fans can or should worry about are the unpredictable: like Price and his excellent record of health and durability getting a career-altering shoulder injury. It could happen. He could also get hit by a bus or run over his foot with a lawnmower.

So yeah, not a lot to say for a rich team. Throwing a genuine #1 at the top of your rotation doesn't require the same amount of thought as wondering what you're gonna do with Hanley Ramirez and Pablo Sandoval and David Ortiz and that young outfield on the same roster. Everybody you liked slides back one hypothetical slot and therefore looks better. The pitcher you hated seeing every five days suddenly doesn't have a job.

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17. "Masterful read there."
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I don't watch baseball regularly, but that was good insight there. Thank you for your time.

Mentioning cable money instantly makes me think of the Yankees since I live in NYC. Like I said, I don't watch baseball, so I could be off, but I'm guessing the Yankees have contracts with some older players they'll have to led ride out before they can spend their way out of their troubles. At also seems as if the Steinbrenner sons are more thoughtful with their money than the father was, but I could be wrong there as well.

To make this response relevant to David Price, doesn't he have issues losing in the playoffs? I remember hearing that on the Dan Patrick Show during the recent playoff run.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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18. "You're right - but they're at the far end of the spectrum"
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>Mentioning cable money instantly makes me think of the Yankees
>since I live in NYC. Like I said, I don't watch baseball, so I
>could be off, but I'm guessing the Yankees have contracts with
>some older players they'll have to led ride out before they
>can spend their way out of their troubles. At also seems as if
>the Steinbrenner sons are more thoughtful with their money
>than the father was, but I could be wrong there as well.

The thing standing in the Yankees' way at the moment isn't an organic budget, but a pretty punitive luxury tax that can (depending on circumstances) nearly double the money spent on on-field personnel. That didn't exist a few years ago, and the Yankees are in pretty much the situation you've described: having to get out from under some contracts that range from untradeable (Rodriguez and Sabathia) to mostly undesireable (McCann, Ellsbury).

So, you're right but I'd attribute it less to thoughtfulness than a new, external financial constraint. And it didn't stop them from the Ellsbury and McCann contracts pretty recently.

This is why 2018 is a more important decision for them than now. He'll likely be excellent, but resisting the impulse to just repeat this deal when he wins a Cy Young in 2018 is going to be very, very tough. But the downside is that they start locking themselves into a Yankees' situation.

>To make this response relevant to David Price, doesn't he have
>issues losing in the playoffs? I remember hearing that on the
>Dan Patrick Show during the recent playoff run.

He has had trouble in the playoffs, but letting that 63 inning sample (spread across a bunch of years) influence their decision seems pre-mature. To put it another way, who else are they going to bet on? Somebody less talented? Kershaw had that reputation until he was excellent in the post-season this year. Ditto Bonds, until 2003 against the Angels.

Chris Young was excellent in the playoffs this year, and he's probably available for a minor league deal and a spring training invite. Over 33 starts, Price is obviously preferable, and then you just figure talent wins over enough post-season reps.

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19. "according to Nightngale (sp?), the Cardinals had him all but wrapped up...."
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and Boston came in and upped the ante by 30 mil.

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20. "Damn, the Mets *might* be able to keep ONE of the Big 3.5"
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*Jews you*

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