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Basaglia
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"So Holly Holm was an elite female BOXER? Ohhhhhhh..."


  

          


Now, I see.

Just watched that "fight"...Rousey was out of her league. She can't box for shit. That girl split her face up within the first 3 minutes. Disgusting.

I continue to be put off by MMA, because they fucking suck. Their reflexes suck. Their footwork sucks. Their hand-eye sucks. And yet all I hear about is the nuances of their "technique"...man, these muhfuckas sorry!

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lol
Nov 15th 2015
1
you don't say... lol
Nov 15th 2015
2
total agreement. MMA trash
Nov 15th 2015
3
Rousey behaved liked a total dickhead beforehand too
Nov 15th 2015
4
curious on the profanity/trash talk on social media lol....
Nov 16th 2015
7
      behaving like some dumb redneck then getting KTFO:
Nov 16th 2015
9
But but but. They can break your arm or ankle, bro!!!
Nov 15th 2015
5
Holm is far from being just a boxer, she's well trained in MMA
Nov 16th 2015
6
The fight was largely fought on their feet, striking w/ boxing technique
Nov 16th 2015
8
way to not oversimplify it
Nov 16th 2015
12
Ronda's corner should have had her back off
Nov 16th 2015
19
Can't think of a Tarverdyan trained fighter w improved striking.
Nov 16th 2015
27
Holm KEPT it on the feet
Nov 16th 2015
17
another sensible reply
Nov 19th 2015
70
the problem with the UFC is lack of elite skill and parity
Nov 16th 2015
10
you clearly have no idea what you're talking about
Nov 16th 2015
25
      then I don't either
Nov 18th 2015
65
      it's ok if you don't get it
Nov 19th 2015
73
      good reply
Nov 19th 2015
69
Former legit title holder
Nov 16th 2015
11
So people still think she could beat Mayweather?
Nov 16th 2015
13
I know Dana White
Nov 16th 2015
15
Rogan did not agree with White
Nov 16th 2015
20
we need to drop this whole aspect of the discussion
Nov 16th 2015
21
      RE: we need to drop this whole aspect of the discussion
Nov 19th 2015
71
Rousey's division is roughly two or three years old.
Nov 16th 2015
14
the vast majority of the talent in the entire sport is subpar
Nov 16th 2015
16
that's just ridiculous
Nov 16th 2015
18
      any statistical evidence to contradict the empirical?
Nov 16th 2015
22
           That just reflects a general lack of understanding I think
Nov 16th 2015
23
           where we should leave it but it's OKS so....
Nov 19th 2015
72
           pick any division in the UFC
Nov 16th 2015
26
                "since high school" <-----but i'm the problem
Nov 16th 2015
28
                     This link is mostly comical, but it's Conor McGregor sparring Patrick
Nov 16th 2015
29
                     Another interesting video: Luke Rockhold sparring w/ Andrew Tabiti
Nov 16th 2015
35
                     that was pretty comical.
Nov 16th 2015
38
                          I think it's relevant.
Nov 17th 2015
42
                     whatever fam
Nov 16th 2015
30
No disrespect to Holly, but Ronda beat herself
Nov 16th 2015
24
      "It's tough to get out of bed to do roadwork at 5 am
Nov 16th 2015
31
      Ronda should go to the WWE for a hot min to be honest
Nov 16th 2015
32
      yeah get out the real fight game while the money is still up.
Nov 16th 2015
36
      Nah, she fought an actual athlete, got fucked up
Nov 16th 2015
33
      ^^^
Nov 22nd 2015
80
      #PleasCopped
Nov 16th 2015
34
      Speaking of Firas Zahabi
Nov 16th 2015
37
      never heard of dude, but I did watch that this morning
Nov 16th 2015
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           Looks like UFC got it taken down.
Nov 17th 2015
44
                He has a lot of instructional videos online for free
Nov 17th 2015
45
                Yea hes really been marketing his online stuff lately (free)
Nov 23rd 2015
84
                here's the original that got taken down
Nov 24th 2015
94
      oh so Ronda was hitting herself in the face w/ her own left hand repeate...
Nov 16th 2015
40
      Nah, she got knocked the fuck out
Nov 16th 2015
41
      hard to uphold your cardio with a potential broken nose
Nov 17th 2015
46
           I just listened to a podcast
Nov 17th 2015
47
                nah she def was bleeding through her nose.
Nov 17th 2015
48
Bravo to all of you...seriously.
Nov 17th 2015
43
ctrl+f Floyd Mayweather nm.
Nov 17th 2015
49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K14y9uJlJjo
Nov 18th 2015
51
she was the lead conductor of her own hype train
Nov 17th 2015
50
she tried to arm bar ole girl.. it didnt work
Nov 18th 2015
52
Better analysis than any I've seen in this thread
Nov 18th 2015
53
Firas Zihabi's is good too.
Nov 18th 2015
54
      He put another one up
Nov 18th 2015
55
           I'll check it out, thanks
Nov 18th 2015
57
The End Of An Error (swipe)
Nov 18th 2015
56
holyshit... that was an awesome read.
Nov 18th 2015
58
feel the burn of this hot take fresh off the griddle!
Nov 18th 2015
59
The Floyd thing propelled her into feminist stardom, tho.
Nov 18th 2015
60
except it didn't. that's a lie and you know it is.
Nov 18th 2015
66
      I can find you another undeserving white woman to cry for, Rj
Nov 19th 2015
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           no. you don't pretend to care about an issue
Nov 23rd 2015
83
                That doesn't make her any less of a hypocrit, RJ
Nov 23rd 2015
87
RE: feel the burn of this hot take fresh off the griddle!
Nov 18th 2015
62
      no names. no specifics. no facts. because HOT TAKE
Nov 18th 2015
67
           Hot Take, as in the one that made her > Serena and Floyd
Nov 19th 2015
75
                I have no idea what that line somehow means
Nov 23rd 2015
81
Amazing. I wanted more about her being an abusive monster, tho.
Nov 18th 2015
61
^^^THAT ETHER, THAT SHIT THAT MAKE YOUR SOUL BURN SLOW
Nov 18th 2015
63
^^^
Nov 20th 2015
76
He's not wrong about the racial / social stuff, but he is wrong about
Nov 18th 2015
64
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/twinpeaks/images/d/d6/Windomdies.jpg...
Nov 23rd 2015
86
Will ole Dana market her? Seems genuine from what I've seen
Nov 19th 2015
68
Freddie Roach:Rousey needs to learn to box before rematch with Holm
Nov 21st 2015
77
that's debatable
Nov 21st 2015
78
SMH
Nov 23rd 2015
88
      you think Ronda can master boxing by the rematch?
Nov 23rd 2015
89
           can we start with head movement & keeping her hand up?
Nov 24th 2015
92
                she definitely needs to work on defense
Nov 24th 2015
93
NO
Nov 21st 2015
79
this is how you make an article out of a nothing quote
Nov 23rd 2015
82
      they don't know about that world, man
Nov 24th 2015
91
I agree in the case of this particular matchup.
Nov 23rd 2015
85
Well... Manny didn't get his ass whooped.
Nov 23rd 2015
90
RE: So Holly Holm was an elite female BOXER? Ohhhhhhh...
Mar 06th 2016
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Haha nice up
Mar 07th 2016
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http://imgur.com/sXhVSMh
Mar 07th 2016
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Ohhhhhhh...
Jul 24th 2016
98
nigga, rousey got knocked the fuck out. please.
Jul 24th 2016
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You realize this make Ronda look even worse lmao
Jul 24th 2016
100
      You realize the OP was essentially a boxer > mma argument lmao
Jul 24th 2016
101
           nigga, the woman she lost to won because she had hands
Jul 24th 2016
102
                Styles make fights in ever matchup
Jul 24th 2016
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                Holm also lost to elite striker Miesha Tate
Jul 24th 2016
104

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1. "lol"
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2. "you don't say... lol"
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3. "total agreement. MMA trash"
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>Now, I see.
>
>Just watched that "fight"...Rousey was out of her league. She
>can't box for shit. That girl split her face up within the
>first 3 minutes. Disgusting.
>
>I continue to be put off by MMA, because they fucking suck.
>Their reflexes suck. Their footwork sucks. Their hand-eye
>sucks. And yet all I hear about is the nuances of their
>"technique"...man, these muhfuckas sorry!

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4. "Rousey behaved liked a total dickhead beforehand too"
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She called that girl some flagrant stuff, wouldn't touch gloves, blasted her on Instagram with all sorts of profanity (but she's a role model for girls all over the world right?), let the world perpetuate this myth that she would beat FLOYD MAYWEATHER...

Went out like a sucker

  

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7. "curious on the profanity/trash talk on social media lol.... "
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got me goin thru her instagram feeling disappointed it's all typical motovation & promo ish :/

  

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9. "behaving like some dumb redneck then getting KTFO:"
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http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/11/ronda-rousey-instagram-holly-holm-ufc-193-weigh-in

  

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5. "But but but. They can break your arm or ankle, bro!!!"
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Glorified human dog fighting

  

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6. "Holm is far from being just a boxer, she's well trained in MMA"
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She's a boxer, a kick boxer and also has good wrestling technique as well. Let's not act like she just stood and boxed Ronda and that's it. She held Ronda back with a good combo of punches and low kicks including her movement. On top of that she stuffed a couple take down/throw attempts and an armbar attempt by Ronda. Holm was highly trained and had a game plan that she pulled off to perfection. The times they were on the groundbHilmbwas smart to get up as quickly as possible because she wouldn't be able to handle Ronda on the ground for too long.

So lets not sit here and act like Holm is a boxer and a boxer only. The fact still remains that a pure boxer with no other training would get crushed in an MMA fight in very short time. It takes many years of training to get to the level that Holm trained and to be able to stand in there with an MMA fighter.

  

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8. "The fight was largely fought on their feet, striking w/ boxing technique"
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inexplicably so if you're in Rousey's camp - as Rousey seemed to not be all that interested in her ground-game or setting up the armbar until she became desperate after Holm dominated her w/ her pure boxing technique and movement. It seemed as if Rousey stubbornly wanted to prove her merit as a boxer and tried to outbox Holm - which was a dumb ass strategy.

That said - let's be accurate in what happened. Holm dominated that fight w/ her boxing skills and movement. Yes - she did finish the bout off with that high kick - but that beautifully timed straight left-hand was the gold and it was the weapon that repeatedly landed and had Rousey fucked up well before the kick even came into the equation.

Roused was outclassed badly - and largely because she was trying to outbox a purer boxer.

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12. "way to not oversimplify it"
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her trajectory with striking and being overconfident in her stand-up was largely fueled by her last fight against bethe correia, as well as whatever anger she suddenly had towards Holm that she let cloud her judgment, apparently

She wasn't able to implement her game at all, largely because any entry into take downs and initiation of her ground game involves a comprehensive level of striking first. She was so outclassed in that phase that she got exposed when she stubbornly stuck to it. Bad corner, definitely.

  

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19. "Ronda's corner should have had her back off"
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she was so deperate to charge in to get a take down or throw even after eating punch after punch. she should have let Holm come to her a little bit more. though honestly that's not in her wheelhouse andt probably wouldn't have worked either cuz it looked like Ronda had no plan other than what she always does.

  

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27. "Can't think of a Tarverdyan trained fighter w improved striking."
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Jessamyn Duke looked regressed from TUF. Travis Browne looked worse. Jake Ellenberger fell off.

  

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17. "Holm KEPT it on the feet"
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i am not at all discrediting Holm's boxing skills. she's clearly top notch in that department. i said in the other post that she displayed about the best boxing i've seen in the cage male or female. the point i'm making is that she's not JUST a boxer. she used her boxing in combination with some low kicks (which i don't remember Ronda checking a single one) and some superior defense. Ronda has been able to take down or thrown just about everyone in the cage so far. she wasn't able to do that with Holm even after getting a hold of her a few times. then Holm also defended an arm bar attempt with absolutely no one has been able to stop by Ronda. granted Ronda was gassed from taking all that punishment, but still.

shout out to Holm and her team for executing a fantastic gameplan. it seemed like Holm had a plan A, B and C while Ronda had plan A and nothing else. to Ronda's credit though plan A has been working for her all this time. she's clearly gonna have to step it up the next time.

  

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70. "another sensible reply"
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>She's a boxer, a kick boxer and also has good wrestling
>technique as well. Let's not act like she just stood and boxed
>Ronda and that's it. She held Ronda back with a good combo of
>punches and low kicks including her movement. On top of that
>she stuffed a couple take down/throw attempts and an armbar
>attempt by Ronda. Holm was highly trained and had a game plan
>that she pulled off to perfection. The times they were on the
>groundbHilmbwas smart to get up as quickly as possible because
>she wouldn't be able to handle Ronda on the ground for too
>long.
>
>So lets not sit here and act like Holm is a boxer and a boxer
>only. The fact still remains that a pure boxer with no other
>training would get crushed in an MMA fight in very short time.
>It takes many years of training to get to the level that Holm
>trained and to be able to stand in there with an MMA fighter.

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10. "the problem with the UFC is lack of elite skill and parity"
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Anderson Silva, George St.Pierre, and Jon Jones were or are all elite strikers and overall fighters. Olympic caliber athletes through and through who deserved every bit of success they've earned.

But for every GSP or Anderson Silva there's like 3 dozen redneck meatheads in their division all tatted up like "FIGHT LIFE I'M A FIGHTER BITCH" and they're just not polished at any one thing and not especially athletic either.

In order for the UFC to really cross over and sustain its success it needs more elite competitors in each weight class. For now their model is similar to pro wrestling's - identify a star and showcase that star early and often (Liddell to Lesnar to Rousey)


  

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25. "you clearly have no idea what you're talking about"
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first of all GSP is not an elite striker. he's got decent striking in the form of some Muay Thai but he's much more of a wrestler and jiujitsu guy (black belt in BJJ and like 3 more black belts in other disciplines). Anderson Silva and Jon Jones are excellent strikers yes but again we're talking about guys that are black belt in BJJ, Judo and Taekwondo (Silva) and martial arts and collegiate wreslting (Jones) under their respective belts.


i'm not sure where theses "red neck meatheads" are that you speak of but the UFC has a ton of elite fighters. just pick a random division and show me these meatheads you speak of. the closest thing that type of fighter is probably Tank Abbott and he hasn't seriously fought in MMA in well over a decade. even then he was the exception not the rule.

  

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65. "then I don't either"
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cause I agree with ole boy.

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73. "it's ok if you don't get it"
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>cause I agree with ole boy.

but you should look into it a bit more before you just say there's no elite fighters. he never took me up on my offer but here's just the top 15 heavyweights as per UFC's ranking...


Champion: Fabricio Werdum - black belts in BJJ(world champion), judo & muay thai
Cain Velasquez - black belt BJJ, 2x NCAA all-american wrestler
Junior Dos Santos - black belt BJJ
Stipe Miocic - NCAA Div 1 wrestler
Andrei Arlovski - Sambo champion
Travis Browne - purple belt BJJ
Josh Barnett - submission grappling world champion
Mark Hunt - K1(kickboxing) world champion
Ben Rothwell - purple belt BJJ
Alistair Overeem - K1 world champ
Frank Mir - black belts in Kenpo & BJJ
Roy Nelson* - black belt in BJJ
Antonio Silva - black belts in Karate, Judo & BJJ
Matt Mitrione - black belt Karate
Jared Rosholt - 3x NCAA all-american
Alexey Oliynyk - Sambo champion, black belt juijitsu


that sounds like some elite fighters if you ask me and that's just the HW's.

* - granted, Roy totally looks like a redneck. LOL

  

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11. "Former legit title holder"
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She had 38 pro boxing fights at that and whilst a legit title holder in her weight class she was not considered the absolute best in her division

But they don't want to mention alla dat

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13. "So people still think she could beat Mayweather? "
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15. "I know Dana White"
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was idiotic enough to say that, but did Rogan come out and agree with that statement as well? I remember Rogan saying Rousey could beat MMA guys in her weight class, but I'm hoping he wasn't stupid enough to say Floyd could get beat by her.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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20. "Rogan did not agree with White"
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He said Floyd is a professional boxer so he would be her. The ONLY chance she would have is if Floyd decided to wrestle (which again, is not what he is trained to do).

He also was saying she could be the scrubs in her weight class because the division isn't that deep.


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21. "we need to drop this whole aspect of the discussion"
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it's just foolish on many levels. her loss to Holm does not prove that a boxer would beat any MMA fighter. Holm is an MMA fighter with a boxing base. she has training in a few other disciplines for some years now and is so far from being just a boxer it's laughable.

  

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71. "RE: we need to drop this whole aspect of the discussion"
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14. "Rousey's division is roughly two or three years old."
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So you're going to see some subpar technique from the majority of the fighters. The one aspect from Saturday's performance that bothered me from Rousey was her lack of conditioning. Getting that tired after one round of action is inexcusable, especially for someone that held the belt as long as Rousey did. Looking at the difference in conditioning after the first round between Rousey and Holm was insane, especially since Holm is 6 or 8 years older than Rousey if my memory is accurate.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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16. "the vast majority of the talent in the entire sport is subpar"
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18. "that's just ridiculous"
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22. "any statistical evidence to contradict the empirical? "
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how long have these people trained for this sport? i would say compared to other major sports, especially not boxing, where the best fighters start as kids...NOT LONG!

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23. "That just reflects a general lack of understanding I think"
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It takes a very long time to get a black belt in Brazilian Jiujitsu, something a lot of fighters in the UFC have earned, which allow them to do a lot of things on the ground that probably look like advanced snuggling to you. That's just because you don't know how difficult that stuff is. Brazilian fighters like Aldo started that journey at a very young age.

A lot of fighters go from a base in grappling (and a lot of times for American fighters, wrestling, which is incredibly difficult) to then learning striking, or go from muay thai to grappling, like Cowboy Cerrone (you should look up some of his fights and training, it's pretty impressive).

Point is, the scope of their knowledge of fighting is not as advanced in the area of pure boxing. Comparing boxers to mma fighters is like comparing rugby players to football players, I think. It's true that most MMA fighters would get their ass handed to them in pure boxing, but you've gotta know the opposite is true as well.

  

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72. "where we should leave it but it's OKS so...."
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>It takes a very long time to get a black belt in Brazilian
>Jiujitsu, something a lot of fighters in the UFC have earned,
>which allow them to do a lot of things on the ground that
>probably look like advanced snuggling to you. That's just
>because you don't know how difficult that stuff is. Brazilian
>fighters like Aldo started that journey at a very young age.
>
>A lot of fighters go from a base in grappling (and a lot of
>times for American fighters, wrestling, which is incredibly
>difficult) to then learning striking, or go from muay thai to
>grappling, like Cowboy Cerrone (you should look up some of his
>fights and training, it's pretty impressive).
>
>Point is, the scope of their knowledge of fighting is not as
>advanced in the area of pure boxing. Comparing boxers to mma
>fighters is like comparing rugby players to football players,
>I think. It's true that most MMA fighters would get their ass
>handed to them in pure boxing, but you've gotta know the
>opposite is true as well.
>

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26. "pick any division in the UFC"
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and they're all very well trained in combat sports. go ahead, pick one. HW, LHW, MW, WW, etc.

>how long have these people trained for this sport?

for which sport? do you mean the sport of MMA? well the whole point of MMA is the first M stands for mixed and the MA stands for martial arts. so most fighters have a base in a particular martial art (boxing, muay thai, wrestling, juijitsu, judo, etc) and build off of that. in the early days fighters just came with their own style but over time it truly became MMA when fighters learned to train in all styles while still maintaining their base.


>i would say compared to other major sports, especially not boxing, where
>the best fighters start as kids...NOT LONG!

you could not be more wrong. a lot of the wrestlers have been wrestling since high school into college and are very skilled. getting black belts in some of these other martials arts can take many years. Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu black belts for example can take 10 years to achieve.

  

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28. ""since high school" <-----but i'm the problem"
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boxers be starting in single-digits, my dude. i boxed. they start early as hell.

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29. "This link is mostly comical, but it's Conor McGregor sparring Patrick"
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Hyland (31-1)

http://fightland.vice.com/blog/watch-conor-mcgregor-spar-with-a-pro-boxer

The panicked "WHAT DO I DO?" is comical but also pretty much what you are going to hear from anybody who never fought on the ground

Were takedowns and kicks not allowed I'm sure Hyland would have fucked Conor up.

  

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35. "Another interesting video: Luke Rockhold sparring w/ Andrew Tabiti "
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOe8vvGIR9Q

Luke definitely looks amateurish at first, but as the round goes on he loosens up and his footwork makes up for some of the lack of elusiveness in his upper body and the lack of an array of punches

  

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38. "that was pretty comical."
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doesn't really speak to anything, but pretty hilarious. you could see the boxer had no idea how to think about how to spar vs. MMA, backing straight into that. lol.

pretty damn irrelevant, but funny.
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42. "I think it's relevant. "
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Well-regarded boxer against an arguably top-talent in MMA playing around with different skill sets under MMA rules. Just for the sake of arguing that whatever is lacking in precision, speed, and accuracy in the boxing element of MMA is made up for by an incorporation of a larger knowledge base of fighting skills

  

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30. "whatever fam"
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i'm talking about guys who were CHAMPS since high school age. a LOT of state high school champion wrestlers in MMA. a LOT of NCAA all-american wrestlers too. they clearly started way before that. and in other disciplines like bjj they start at very young ages too. you ain't getting black belts overnight.

somehow you think that because they don't usually focus on boxing that they somehow can't fight. you couldn't be more wrong on this.

  

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24. "No disrespect to Holly, but Ronda beat herself"
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Holly pulled off a masterful performance, but it wasn't against the best Ronda Rousey we've seen.

It's a classic story...fighter gets interviews, magazine covers, movie roles...etc., etc. while the opponent just trains their ass off. Basically, Holly Holms is Clubber Lang. So, we'll see if Ronda comes back like Rocky, or fades out of MMA like Gina Carano did when she got dismantled.

Ronda's cardio was shot, she had a flawed gameplan, and she was way overconfident in her striking skills. A minute or so in it was obvious that she wasn't on Holly's level striking. She should have tried to take her down then. She didn't try to take to the ground until she was too beaten and too gassed to get inside. Holly fought long and kept her at a distance, like every analyst predicted. That being the case, she should have been working on how to get inside. Instead of trying to clinch and throw her, she should have been going for doubles.

First of all, she needs to change camps. She needs a Matt Hume or a Firas Zahabi, someone to fill the now obvious holes in her game. Then she needs to get her cardio together, as well as her diet. It's clear that weight cuts are becoming increasingly hard for her.

  

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31. ""It's tough to get out of bed to do roadwork at 5 am"
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when you've been sleeping in silk pajamas." - marvin hauler

  

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32. "Ronda should go to the WWE for a hot min to be honest"
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Sign a nice 2-3 year deal worth 7 figures. Be like Brock and show up here and there. Would sell a ton of tickets and ppv's.

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36. "yeah get out the real fight game while the money is still up."
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i'd friggin love to see her in WWE.

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33. "Nah, she fought an actual athlete, got fucked up"
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Cry

  

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80. "^^^"
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34. "#PleasCopped"
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________________________________________
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37. "Speaking of Firas Zahabi"
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Check out this video of a FREE breakdown he's giving out on YouTube on the Rousey/Holm match:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3stwtCmWTA

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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39. "never heard of dude, but I did watch that this morning"
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.

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44. "Looks like UFC got it taken down."
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But Firas is the head trainer for a Canadian gym named Tri-Star Gym, which is famous for housing GSP. Another top level UFC fighter Rory MacDonald fights out of there as well. For as good as Firas is, I'm amazed dude was willing to give out that breakdown for free.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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45. "He has a lot of instructional videos online for free"
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I think he's confident enough in his rep to pull professional fighters to his camp that he can put information out there to the general public for nothing

  

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84. "Yea hes really been marketing his online stuff lately (free)"
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>But Firas is the head trainer for a Canadian gym named
>Tri-Star Gym, which is famous for housing GSP. Another top
>level UFC fighter Rory MacDonald fights out of there as well.
>For as good as Firas is, I'm amazed dude was willing to give
>out that breakdown for free.


I think hes done some kind of breakdown of most the big PPVS the past 6-8 mos

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94. "here's the original that got taken down"
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http://www.mma-core.com/videos/Ronda_Rousey_vs_Holly_Holm_Fight_Analysis_Coach_Firas_Zahabi/10113411

dude does an excellent breakdown. he actually makes some good points about Ronda doing a good job in spots, but Holly was just too prepared for her.

  

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40. "oh so Ronda was hitting herself in the face w/ her own left hand repeate..."
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Thanks for clearing that up..
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<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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41. "Nah, she got knocked the fuck out"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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46. "hard to uphold your cardio with a potential broken nose"
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which came about in the second exchange.

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47. "I just listened to a podcast"
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Rogan had with Dana White on an airplane right after the fight and Dana didn't mention Rousey having any substantial injuries outside of her lip being cut badly. Her mouth was very bloody, but I didn't see any blood coming from her nose in either round, not did her nose appear to have any substantial damage to it. At worse, she might have been dazed if Holm tagged her squarely on the nose, but I highly doubt her nose was broken.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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48. "nah she def was bleeding through her nose."
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Let me find it in the video

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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43. "Bravo to all of you...seriously."
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This board is definitely evolving because this is a post mainly about two female athletes and there were no sexual references or mention of their looks

so proud of y'all.

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49. "ctrl+f Floyd Mayweather nm."
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51. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K14y9uJlJjo"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K14y9uJlJjo

  

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50. "she was the lead conductor of her own hype train"
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instead of fighting her game, she thought she was gonna come in fight this chicks game. only gonna work so many times

  

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52. "she tried to arm bar ole girl.. it didnt work"
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Holms hands were too much

reminds me of Tyson when he said he would try to win fights early cause he lacked stamina...

Rhonda's game is fast tap outs.. she was winded and couldn't hang this fight.

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53. "Better analysis than any I've seen in this thread"
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http://fightland.vice.com/blog/how-holly-holm-killed-queen-ronda-rousey

Rousey's normal tactic is the rush straight into the clinch and go for the take down. Holm wouldn't allow that. Rousey didn't have another way to get the clinch besides coming straight ahead.

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54. "Firas Zihabi's is good too. "
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There's a link with password out there since UFC got the original taken down

  

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55. "He put another one up"
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I don't have access at work, but if you go to his YouTube page, he put another one up where he substituted Holm and Rousey with himself and a sparring partnet at Tri Star. Not as good as the original video since you can't see the actual action, but he provides a breakdown of all the clinching situations.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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57. "I'll check it out, thanks"
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56. "The End Of An Error (swipe)"
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https://the-cauldron.com/the-end-of-an-error-cbac04dc4a98

The End Of An Error
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2 days ago

The End Of An Error

During her meteoric rise to MMA stardom, Ronda Rousey redefined — and in many ways destroyed — modern notions of stardom, beauty, and brutality. But that doesn’t mean the narrative was a fair or correct one.



He looked and looked but could see nothing, as there was nothing to be seen. — The Emperor’s New Clothes



When Ronda Rousey came crashing to the canvas with the ineffable thud of an unraveled Ponzi scheme, the most startling revelation wasn’t that “the emperor has no clothes,” but the fact that, in sports, we can no longer tell the emperor from the swindlers.

Rousey’s narrative was, from the start, one spun from invisible silk and gold. Even before Holly Holm left her looking clumsy, outclassed, overmatched, and technically unsound, her tale had evolved into the one of the most convoluted, prematurely stamped and certified in recent sports history. If Rousey’s story has any meaningful value, it’s as sports meta-commentary: a lamentable tale of mass complicity by virtue of our own delusions, desires, and disaffection.

The aftermath of the one-sided thrashing yielded more of the same. Of course, Rousey’s plight wasn’t the result of a new “Madden Curse,” nor was her loss comparable in any way to Tyson’s humbling at the hands of Buster Douglas. The comparisons are baseless, only seeking to give an easily digestible shape to our stubborn ignorance. Rousey was on the cover of EA Sports’ video game because they, like the characters in Hans Christian Andersen’s allegorical tale, saw what was never there.

It’s worth considering exactly how we arrived at this spiritually barren place of baseless fight odds, rushed hyperbole, and Orwellian commentary. One can almost forgive ESPN (which now serves the role of bombastic auctioneer rather than objective analyst) and Dana White (who seems little more than a cash-grabbing charlatan in the business of developing cheap, temporary pop-culture icons rather than legitimizing mixed martial arts).

But what about the rest of us, who eagerly climbed aboard the train of Rondamania, and embraced every nonsensical stop along the ride with mindless glee?

Even Deadspin, which prides itself on being above the fray of knee-jerk zeal and illogical sports narratives, hopped on the train with inexplicable vigor. Greg Howard gave weight to the idea that she was “the greatest fighter alive,” pointing to the two minutes and change Rousey has spent in the octagon as a mark in her favor. That number, though, should’ve given as much cause for pause as for praise.

How do we evaluate the skill and success of a participant in a relatively nascent sub-division of a sport when she has barely has to spend time in combat? How do we set odds of any kind — much less the 20-to–1 variety — when a mostly untested woman with Olympic-level judo skills fights another woman vetted as one of the best female boxers in the world? How, in a field with such disparity in skill level between its fighters, can we account for quality control and pretend to any real expertise? On the day of the bout, Howard wrote “to fight successfully takes delusion,” but he easily could have been describing all of those among us — the pundits, promoters, and desperate fans — who were fighting on the lie that was Ronda Rousey’s greatness.

The truth was we had no idea what we were watching, or how to evaluate it. But for many reasons — an eagerness to seem progressive, an addiction to vapid celebrity culture, the headlong rush to avoid being left out of a major story — everyone was afraid to admit that maybe, in Rousey’s case, there was nothing to be seen.

ESPN anointed Rousey “Fighter of the Year” and “Female Athlete of the Year” for a period in which she had spent a total of 30 seconds in the ring with two hopelessly under-qualified opponents in a sport that still significantly lacks history and development of its ranks. The idea of her being a better fighter than Floyd Mayweather, or a more exemplary female athlete than Serena Williams (who was in the midst of a 28–0 run and had won every major title in one of the most popular and competitive women’s sports in the world) was laughable, at best. But the manufacturers of celebrity and the branding agents weren’t about to let reality get in the way of their latest pet project, and the fans were more than happy to buy what was being sold.

It certainly helped that Rousey is a woman. She served as a perfect foil to Mayweather, a boorish and shamelessly brash self-promoter who as of late has made as many headlines for his history of domestic abuse as his pugilistic prowess. Her popularity and media platform received quite the boost as she continually put Money Mayweather in his place. In this way she was executing the will of the mainstream fan, who has a distaste for Floyd having built an empire on being unlikeable.

It probably also helped just a bit that Rousey is white, because she certainly hasn’t projected a particularly humble persona. Her pre-fight and post-fight comments are typically brash and dismissive; she’s never one to pass up an opportunity to take pointed shots at opponents and contrived rivals alike. Nor is she shy about courting celebrity, having appeared in The Expendables, The Fast And The Furious, and Entourage, which was most fitting in that she was riding the coattails of our cultural emptiness to improbable fame.

Without giving at least some regard to race, it’s difficult to fathom Rousey’s rapid ascent in popularity and accolades when contrasted with that of Williams, a notoriously over-scrutinized athlete who, for all of her incredible dominance and ethereal talents, has often received respect and praise from both fans and media that is more cold and begrudging than enthusiastic. Serena’s story is a textbook American Dream narrative, a tale of skill and an irrepressible work ethic transcending impossible odds. Her track record is long and vetted, her achievements unquestionable. Her battle back from a pulmonary embolism is the stuff of legend. Her prominent place in sports history is cemented. Her life is tailor-made for a major motion picture.

On the other hand, when plans were announced for a Rousey biopic, it was puzzling, because there was nothing to be seen. Her MMA resume was thin, the merits of any such comprehensive examination unclear, and just beneath that amorphous veneer lurked hints of an obnoxious, self-involved huckster. Rousey was everything we’ve traditionally been taught to disdain in an athlete: excessively brash, self-serving, nasty, overhyped and unchallenged. Still she moved forward at breakneck speed, spurred by the momentum of our cultural incoherence, our prizing of oddities and flavors of the month over texture and meaningfulness. At a time when three people with absolutely zero political experience are polling strong for an opportunity to be President, perhaps her ascent makes more sense. Maybe our culture has so encouraged reality TV that we’ve reduced all facets of public life to cheap entertainment.

When Rousey was listed above male fighters like TJ Dillashaw in the bantamweight pound-for-pound rankings, it only highlighted the warped conceit of those who mistake pretending a woman can beat the best male fighters in the world for proof of a progressive nature. True progressive thought lies in realizing women’s sports have worth apart from any comparisons to men, not in reinforcing the same old tropes through a fantastic reimagining of subverting them.

So, Rousey was like a funhouse mirror. We projected our dishonesty and confusion onto her and the images returned to us distorted, oversized, in a form that made us feel more comfortable about who we were. To root for Rousey was to root against domestic abuse; to overestimate her athletic value was to prove our lack of sexism. She served the function of the clichéd “black friend,” as in how can I be sexist if I think Ronda Rousey is the best fighter in the world? Meanwhile, we were cheapening genuine appreciation of female athletic excellence by favoring the spectacle over legitimacy and real legacies.

Ultimately, no one knew how to talk about Ronda Rousey. The media talked in crazy and colorful circles, because there was nothing to be seen. Holm was advertised as Rousey’s greatest challenge to date, but when she thoroughly dismantled Rousey, it was pitched as one of the biggest upsets in sports history. Meanwhile, had the Nets’ Brook Lopez made a bunny at the buzzer at Golden State, Rousey’s loss wouldn’t even have been the biggest upset of Saturday night. Pointedly, most of the sports world didn’t respect these female fighters enough to figure out how to evaluate them on their own terms, rather than the terms of their delusion.

In this manner we do a terrible disservice to female athletics under the guise of progressiveness, engaging in a paternalism that is actually regressive and sexist. We send the message that women’s sports are not worth scrutinizing with the same close eye as men’s, that what we seek in our female athletic heroes is a confirmation of our nobility for touting them as awesome. It’s cheap, and it’s counterintuitive.

In an ode to Rousey published in July, Deadspin’s Howard penned the following:

“It’s hard to imagine, but Rousey might one day lose. She might get caught with a lucky shot, and her body and mind may dull as she grows older.”

That was supposed to be part of a celebratory profile, but it ended up as a fitting eulogy. Rousey didn’t lose the way a 20-to–1 favorite loses. There was no lucky shot, no off-night to blame. She was beaten by a better fighter who no one took the time to really investigate, in large part because she didn’t make for sensationalist copy.

Howard’s piece was called “There Will Never Be Another Ronda Rousey.” For the sake of women’s sports, let’s hope so.

  

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58. "holyshit... that was an awesome read. "
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59. "feel the burn of this hot take fresh off the griddle!"
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to be in favor of rousey is to fight domestic violence!

....except she was popular and well-known before the floyd backlash, and before her comment about floyd, which are the only the only anti-dv things about her.

anything that happened before 2015? You wouldn't know about it from this article, because that goes against the rules of hot takes.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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60. "The Floyd thing propelled her into feminist stardom, tho. "
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>....except she was popular and well-known before the floyd
>backlash, and before her comment about floyd, which are the
>only the only anti-dv things about her.

Which definitely made her legend grow, and by a lot.

This is precisely why we are just learning about things
she said in a book released a long time ago:

Educated people are just starting to read about her.

And what she spelled out in the book was egregious, disgusting
domestic abuse of a partner.



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66. "except it didn't. that's a lie and you know it is."
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the only people it significantly expanded her exposure on was floyd fans.

the rest of the world already knew her.

and you already know that "egregious disgusting domestic abuse" is only a tool for you to push whatever other agenda you want to bring up, and not true.

all you have to do is tell the truth.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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74. "I can find you another undeserving white woman to cry for, Rj "
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We can talk about it over inboxes. Let's find one.

Because Rousey ain't it 

She's a bully, a hypocrit and a terrible human being by
just about every conceivable standard.

And unlike Floyd, she's not even great at her job.

This white woman has integrity. You don't.

http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-commentary/article/14149899/rooting-ronda-rousey-tough-nothing-do-loss

  

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83. "no. you don't pretend to care about an issue"
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you will never bring up any issue of domestic violence unless it's some angle on an argument.

this isn't about integrity, it's not about what happened. it's about you backdooring an argument about floyd mayweather that doesn't exist.

don't disrespect me by lying to me.

that you're lying about me isn't an issue. you can do that all day, but don't lie to me -- it's just a waste.

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87. "That doesn't make her any less of a hypocrit, RJ"
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Even if I only cared for agenda purposes, she's
still a hypocrit and a miserable piece of shit.

I mean, about 75% of the anti-Floyd DV sentiment is
about him being black, great at his job, and richer than
everyone. He's still a miserable woman beater.

All of those things can be true.

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62. "RE: feel the burn of this hot take fresh off the griddle!"
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>anything that happened before 2015? You wouldn't know about it
>from this article, because that goes against the rules of hot
>takes.

The article mentions Rousey getting over hyped by multiple media outlets from beating competition that wasn't top notch, which occurred prior to 2015.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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67. "no names. no specifics. no facts. because HOT TAKE"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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75. "Hot Take, as in the one that made her > Serena and Floyd"
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Sit the fuck down


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81. "I have no idea what that line somehow means"
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unless you're genuinely attributing meaning to Espy awards.

that would be a sad life.

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61. "Amazing. I wanted more about her being an abusive monster, tho. "
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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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63. "^^^THAT ETHER, THAT SHIT THAT MAKE YOUR SOUL BURN SLOW"
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________________________________________
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

  

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76. "^^^"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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64. "He's not wrong about the racial / social stuff, but he is wrong about"
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some of his comments revolving around the actual fight and the actual sport

  

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86. "http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/twinpeaks/images/d/d6/Windomdies.jpg..."
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http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/twinpeaks/images/d/d6/Windomdies.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20100913182724

  

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68. "Will ole Dana market her? Seems genuine from what I've seen"
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77. "Freddie Roach:Rousey needs to learn to box before rematch with Holm"
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Freddie Roach: Ronda Rousey needs to learn to box before rematch with Holly Holm
http://boxingjunkie.com/2015/11/20/freddie-roach-ronda-rousey-boxing-holly-holm-rematch/


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78. "that's debatable"
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Ronda is a judoka and she needs to stick to her strength. at this point any boxing she picks up will still be miles behind what Holly is bringing to the table. trying to turn this into a boxing match would put her at a huge disadvantage much like Holly trying to learn Judo and fighting Ronda that way. she does need to take a page out of Holly's book though and learn how to defend boxing better. i doubt Holly learned a ton of Judo but she seemed to have learned a few good defenses which is all she needed to throw Ronda off her game. Ronda will need to extend the fight and wear Holly down while avoiding as much punishment on the feet as possible. she also needs to learn how to be patient when her first tactic doesn't work. Ronda is so used to being the dominate one that she kept trying the same tactic over and over even though it wasn't work at all. pure boxing rarely works in MMA because it can easily be countered. gotta come with a ... wait for it ... Mixture of Martial Arts to be truly effective.

  

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88. "SMH"
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____________________________________________________


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Kyrie: I wasn't.


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89. "you think Ronda can master boxing by the rematch?"
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92. "can we start with head movement & keeping her hand up? "
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so her face doesn't look like it got smashed by a mack truck after 1 round of eating straight lefts?


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93. "she definitely needs to work on defense"
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just eating punches is obviously a bad look. i'm just saying that the idea of her learning boxing in order to box with Holly is foolish. she will lose that exchange every time.

  

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79. "NO"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/562040276210827264/nTe7aF8d.jpeg

http://cdn.girlsgonesporty.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/holly-lil-bear-lawson.jpg

^^^ Ronda tried boxing and failed getting knocked out by Holly Lawson.

  

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82. "this is how you make an article out of a nothing quote"
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shockingly noncontroversial, but pitched as ZOMG

"That’s one thing about that sport. If you’re not good at about four different sports, it’s very difficult to be successful without having that knowledge,"

but when your editor pays to send you to Vegas, and you need to file x number of stories, you can't just say "when asked about ronda rousey during a press conference, freddie roach made generic comments about mma that revealed nothing to the world"

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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91. "they don't know about that world, man"
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>but when your editor pays to send you to Vegas, and you need
>to file x number of stories, you can't just say "when asked
>about ronda rousey during a press conference, freddie roach
>made generic comments about mma that revealed nothing to the
>world"

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85. "I agree in the case of this particular matchup."
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Rousey got Wolfe'd

and that's all there is. I'm not even partying like that, but I think it's kind of like the Manny getting his ass whooped by Marquez. I wasn't partying but I totally understand why people did.

  

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90. "Well... Manny didn't get his ass whooped."
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He certainly got knocked the fuck out but he was clearly in control for rounds 5 and 6 (pre-KO). Ronda/Holm was never like that. Ronda got dominated.

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95. "RE: So Holly Holm was an elite female BOXER? Ohhhhhhh..."
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96. "Haha nice up"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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97. "http://imgur.com/sXhVSMh"
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http://imgur.com/sXhVSMh

  

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98. "Ohhhhhhh..."
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99. "nigga, rousey got knocked the fuck out. please. "
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100. "You realize this make Ronda look even worse lmao"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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101. "You realize the OP was essentially a boxer > mma argument lmao"
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And this boxer keeps losing to MMA folks

  

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Basaglia
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102. "nigga, the woman she lost to won because she had hands"
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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

  

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103. "Styles make fights in ever matchup "
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Holly Holm is a counter puncher & Ronda kept walking into her wheelhouse.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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104. "Holm also lost to elite striker Miesha Tate"
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