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"Wrestling post - R.I.P. Nick Bockwinkel"
Sun Nov-15-15 01:03 PM by Selassie I God

  

          

The last post was over 300 strong, so it's about time for a new one.

A legend had left us, the Great Nick Bockwinel

http://www.caulifloweralleyclub.org/rip-nick-bockwinkel/

It is with a heavy heart the Cauliflower Alley Club announces that “The Greatest AWA World Champion of All Time” and former CAC President and WWE Hall Of Famer, Nicholas “Nick” Bockwinkel, passed away Saturday night at approx. 8:40 pm due to health issues.

We will have more on this later Sunday afternoon.

**EDIT** A couple of promos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBVTkqzG58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrHM4NgQz5Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxV77nAuAQ8

____
Some will tell you that they love you but they've got an ulterior motive - Oh what a shame
They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

(c) Luciano


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg0-qndkemo

  

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Earliest rasslin' memories involved Bockwinkel.
Nov 15th 2015
1
Loved it when he used to come down here and torture Lawler
Nov 15th 2015
2
Bockwinkle had a few pretty exciting fueds...
Nov 23rd 2015
21
Global jihad tryna eff with my rasslin'.
Nov 21st 2015
3
Got Survivor Series predictions guys?
Nov 21st 2015
4
This bothers the hell outta me.....
Nov 21st 2015
5
At least you won the World Series
Nov 22nd 2015
6
Can't blame you
Nov 22nd 2015
8
RE: Got Survivor Series predictions guys?
Nov 22nd 2015
7
Breeze is a lot of fun, but his debut has sucked ass
Nov 22nd 2015
9
      Thanks for the back story
Nov 22nd 2015
10
cesaro bout to be gone for a minute for shoulder surgery
Nov 22nd 2015
11
renee young look good as fuck tonight. good grief
Nov 22nd 2015
12
Is she the other ring announcer?
Nov 22nd 2015
19
      nah renee is the one who does that sportscenter desk type thing
Nov 23rd 2015
36
           JoJo was doing backstage stuff, I believe he's talking about Cody's wife...
Nov 23rd 2015
37
Still unsure WHO, but the winner of Reigns/Ambrose is via heel turn
Nov 22nd 2015
13
It's... It's gotta be Reigns! #lockit
Nov 22nd 2015
14
10:37 victory. Cue Sheamus or some shenanigans.
Nov 22nd 2015
15
Why is he getting the WM treatment?
Nov 22nd 2015
16
LOL so exactly what I called the day the tournament was announced
Nov 22nd 2015
17
they should've just turned Reigns.
Nov 22nd 2015
18
Disagree completely. There's money on the Ambrose/Reigns bond
Nov 23rd 2015
20
      Agree...
Nov 23rd 2015
23
oh, and the show mostly sucked
Nov 23rd 2015
22
Roman is just about the dumbest wrestling character alive
Nov 23rd 2015
24
My Dyson ball has more charisma and a larger moveset than him too
Nov 23rd 2015
25
not turning Reigns last night is a missed opportunity.
Nov 23rd 2015
26
agreed. I don't even see it as a risk.
Nov 23rd 2015
28
      I was a big advocate of him turning following the Rumble disaster...
Nov 23rd 2015
31
           I think he's progressed in ring and regressed on the mic.
Nov 23rd 2015
34
The spear caught me off guard like I almost took it as a heel turn...
Nov 23rd 2015
27
I don't even want credit, it was the easiest and most predictable way to...
Nov 23rd 2015
35
All I know is that last night made Reigns look weak as shit.
Nov 23rd 2015
30
monkeys could book this shit better man.
Nov 23rd 2015
32
RIP...i remember that huge belt he had as AWA champ
Nov 23rd 2015
29
RE: RIP...i remember that huge belt he had as AWA champ
Nov 23rd 2015
38
Full PPV thoughts
Nov 23rd 2015
33
Is anyone actually writing this show?
Nov 23rd 2015
39
If I bought a ticket to this Raw I'd be furious
Nov 23rd 2015
40
      It is pretty bad... I stopped after
Nov 23rd 2015
41
      YOU MISSED HEATH SLATER'S BIG RETURN!!!
Nov 23rd 2015
43
           Damn...and I forgot to set the DVR...LOL
Nov 23rd 2015
45
      Why were Henry and Neville in a match?
Nov 23rd 2015
42
           This feels like they a worst of Raw compilation
Nov 23rd 2015
44
Hate for Reigns has officially become a caricature of itself.
Nov 24th 2015
46
this isn't reigns hate, it's booking hate
Nov 24th 2015
47
      Ya it's dumb booking, those critiques would come for most wrestlers
Nov 24th 2015
48
      it's everything that's wrong with the Cena character magnified
Nov 24th 2015
49
      Right. It's paint-by-numbers writing and it sucks.
Nov 24th 2015
50
           RE: Right. It's paint-by-numbers writing and it sucks.
Nov 24th 2015
51
           But even things for kids should make sense.
Nov 24th 2015
53
                yeah I hate when "aimed for kids" becomes synonymous with bad
Nov 24th 2015
54
                Ya I'm not calling it impossible, but WWE's writers ain't pixar writers
Nov 24th 2015
55
                     and to add on, it's not like NXT is reinventing the wheel
Nov 24th 2015
57
                     Hulu is the way to go for Raw
Nov 24th 2015
58
                          i typically start it late and fast forward through the garbage
Nov 24th 2015
61
                     NXT right now is better than Raw in every possible way.
Nov 24th 2015
59
                          The NXT world kind of exists in a world where Raw doesn't exist
Nov 24th 2015
60
                Storytelling was never great in WWE's history
Nov 24th 2015
56
                     The Attitude Era was Rock and Austin. Remove them and it's pretty bad.
Nov 24th 2015
72
           right, they barely mention things and then rush the story when they do.
Nov 24th 2015
52
           great post
Nov 24th 2015
62
                this has been bothering me a lot recently:
Nov 24th 2015
63
                     It was character development and traits
Nov 24th 2015
64
                     to be fair, they've never perfected it
Nov 24th 2015
65
                     and in-ring psychology
Nov 24th 2015
68
                     RE: this has been bothering me a lot recently:
Nov 24th 2015
66
                     that's the other thing about NXT: the commentary is better
Nov 24th 2015
67
                          Corey Graves GETS it.
Nov 27th 2015
86
                     Heels make wrestling...
Nov 24th 2015
70
                          co-sign all of this:
Nov 24th 2015
75
      Well hell that's a relief.
Nov 24th 2015
71
           bad writing for the top guy will obviously get criticized more
Nov 24th 2015
77
Raw rating last night the lowest in 20 years.
Nov 24th 2015
69
not enough. it can go lower.
Nov 24th 2015
73
wow, who knew a sheamus/roman wouldn't move the needle?
Nov 24th 2015
76
Punk/Rollins vs Cesaro/Ohno coming to a dvd player near you
Nov 24th 2015
74
Austin SHREDDING Survivor Series on his podcast today
Nov 25th 2015
78
I wonder if all these HOF wrestlers turning sour will make a differnce
Nov 25th 2015
79
And Austin is a pro's pro. If he's publicly saying it sucks then, well.....
Nov 25th 2015
80
RE: I wonder if all these HOF wrestlers turning sour will make a differn...
Nov 25th 2015
81
Foley's had "I'm not watching" rants before. They don't care what he say...
Nov 25th 2015
82
Their comments about the "This is Awesome" chant were fascinating...
Nov 27th 2015
85
always a great show when wade keller's on..
Nov 30th 2015
87
Man, the booking of the Wyatts looks like
Nov 26th 2015
83
It's the 50/50 club and everyone's a member
Nov 26th 2015
84
Was offered free tickets to Raw in Pittsburgh tonight and passed
Nov 30th 2015
88
going to Raw blows.
Nov 30th 2015
89
I was at a Raw last year and was like damn this isn't fun anymore
Nov 30th 2015
96
RE: Was offered free tickets to Raw in Pittsburgh tonight and passed
Nov 30th 2015
97
      The Superman punch begs to differ
Nov 30th 2015
100
           RE: The Superman punch begs to differ
Dec 01st 2015
103
Dreamer's cool, but...
Nov 30th 2015
90
*Shrug* is my reaction to this kind of stuff
Nov 30th 2015
91
Basically...
Nov 30th 2015
92
      Set up for TLC
Nov 30th 2015
93
      Can't wait *eyeroll*
Nov 30th 2015
94
      yeah I'm tapping out
Nov 30th 2015
95
New Jack? Nah. Raven would have been perfect.
Nov 30th 2015
98
      New Jack's schtick was coming out
Nov 30th 2015
99
Based on recaps, I am not sorry to miss tonight's episode.
Nov 30th 2015
101
With few exceptions, whatever you did
Dec 01st 2015
102
Predict the road to Mania here...
Dec 02nd 2015
104
I predict the road will be boring, uninspired, and ignorant to the fans
Dec 02nd 2015
105
I would guess something like
Dec 02nd 2015
106
A not cut of the mill path:
Dec 02nd 2015
107
I'm thinking they do Reigns/HHH
Dec 02nd 2015
108
      Ugh what if they go full Bryan with him
Dec 02nd 2015
109
           I feel like they're both trying to copy themselves AND make it original.
Dec 02nd 2015
110
           During the PPV they kept selling how he could never win
Dec 02nd 2015
111
                there was the fatal 4-way as well
Dec 02nd 2015
112
           Yeah the "underdog" that hasn't been pinned clean in like 2 years
Dec 02nd 2015
113
                Ever*?
Dec 02nd 2015
114
                     Someone made a Reddit post about it
Dec 02nd 2015
115
                          I'm sure Fandango or Tyler Breeze will put an end to that.
Dec 02nd 2015
116
How are NXT's backstage segments so much better than WWE's?
Dec 02nd 2015
117
Motivation. That's what is missing from most WWE characters
Dec 02nd 2015
118
Because they don't have a senile control freak with archaic
Dec 07th 2015
121
Impromptu 16-man elimination match to start RAW? What in the...
Dec 07th 2015
119
they have no more ideas
Dec 07th 2015
120
Woo fucking hoo. It's Gang Warz all over again.
Dec 07th 2015
122
I loved that the Wyatts came out and Rhyno was an excellent surprise...
Dec 08th 2015
125
Breeze vs Ziggler? Finally!
Dec 07th 2015
123
how the FUCK can Dreamer get cleared for action but DBry cant
Dec 08th 2015
124
We know this shit trash but we don't know how to fix it - HHH (swipe)
Dec 10th 2015
126
Really bizarre statements...
Dec 11th 2015
127
      I love this point
Dec 11th 2015
128
      RE: I love this point
Dec 11th 2015
138
      Great point about their use of social...
Dec 11th 2015
129
      Vince is a control freak who can't accept being wrong
Dec 11th 2015
130
           Vince is a business man, not an idea man
Dec 11th 2015
131
      yeah, mick foley said on austin's podcast last week that..
Dec 11th 2015
132
      I think Hunter gets wrestling and knows how to get guys over
Dec 11th 2015
134
      I feel like people underrate how good he actually was
Dec 11th 2015
135
           Agreed.
Dec 11th 2015
136
           nah you just gotta acknowledge him with the proper context
Dec 11th 2015
137
                RE: nah you just gotta acknowledge him with the proper context
Dec 14th 2015
160
                     HHH suffers from a lack of great rivals
Dec 14th 2015
162
                          Foley...
Dec 14th 2015
167
      RE: yeah, mick foley said on austin's podcast last week that..
Dec 11th 2015
139
      the social media thing boggles my mind
Dec 11th 2015
133
Lucha Underground Season 2 Trailer!!!! (returns Jan 27)
Dec 13th 2015
140
head and shoulders above everyone else right now
Dec 13th 2015
141
RE: Lucha Underground Season 2 Trailer!!!! (returns Jan 27)
Dec 13th 2015
149
Network crashing is EXACTLY what WWE needs tonight
Dec 13th 2015
142
I already hate this, this is why WWE is garbage
Dec 13th 2015
143
I wish they'd do a reboot on the Divas Revolution
Dec 13th 2015
144
      RE: I wish they'd do a reboot on the Divas Revolution
Dec 13th 2015
145
WWE has always been able to nail tag ladder matches
Dec 13th 2015
146
Followed by Ryback vs Rusev. Classic
Dec 13th 2015
147
I'm enjoying Rusev and Lana quite a bit lately
Dec 13th 2015
148
RE: WWE has always been able to nail tag ladder matches
Dec 13th 2015
150
Yikes, that tables match was a mess.
Dec 13th 2015
151
Hoss fight jumpin off...
Dec 13th 2015
152
RE: Hoss fight jumpin off...
Dec 14th 2015
157
Operation: Get Roman Over...
Dec 13th 2015
153
I didn't watch a minute of this, forgot all about it.
Dec 14th 2015
154
Sheamus vs Reigns was essential viewing IMO...
Dec 14th 2015
155
Story Wise not really, but the wrestlers put on a great show
Dec 14th 2015
158
so basically "50/50 booking" continued?
Dec 14th 2015
159
      Depends what you use the network for, I still find it a good value
Dec 14th 2015
161
      RE: Depends what you use the network for, I still find it a good value
Dec 14th 2015
164
      funny thing about the 50/50 booking
Dec 14th 2015
166
RE: I didn't watch a minute of this, forgot all about it.
Dec 14th 2015
163
I don't know where they're going with that...
Dec 14th 2015
156
I mean, I guess I'll give Raw a shot tonight.
Dec 14th 2015
165
So they follow what many have said was a pretty good TLC PPV
Dec 14th 2015
168
Sigh.
Dec 14th 2015
169
Double sigh
Dec 14th 2015
170
Double sigh
Dec 14th 2015
171
lmfaoooooooooo
Dec 14th 2015
172
Thing is, this wasn't that bad
Dec 15th 2015
173
      It just came off as a last minute, thrown together thing
Dec 15th 2015
174
           Yeah, all of that.
Dec 15th 2015
175
           That's probably literally what happened, but I'm still ok with it
Dec 15th 2015
176
           i'm wondering if vince called it on the fly during the show. nm
Dec 15th 2015
179
                I had the same thought
Dec 15th 2015
180
The main thing I'm pissed off about with all of the recent Roman stuff
Dec 15th 2015
177
wwe pumping crowd noise into the arena to get reigns over? LOL
Dec 15th 2015
178
NXT: London
Dec 16th 2015
181
RE: NXT: London
Dec 16th 2015
182
Ugh I hate the "THIS IS WRESTLING" chants
Dec 16th 2015
183
I think you're missing the point of that chant.
Dec 16th 2015
184
I have been getting annoyed with the NXT crowds lately though
Dec 16th 2015
189
      I'm becoming a fan of fans shutting the fuck up
Dec 16th 2015
193
           THIS IS AWESOME needs to be retired ASAP
Dec 16th 2015
194
           THIS IS AWESOMEis fine. It just needs smarter fans to chant
Dec 16th 2015
197
                Yeah but he did looking fucking stupid lol
Dec 16th 2015
201
                     I think Sheamus has shown himself to be fairly savvy
Dec 16th 2015
202
                     He's proven to be fairly savvy in certain respects
Dec 16th 2015
203
           agreed, "this is wrestling" is the least bad of all offenders
Dec 16th 2015
198
                god I fucking despise those fans. And hate all faces fans
Dec 16th 2015
200
It's a message to ppl in charge of the main roster
Dec 16th 2015
185
      To reply to both you and Cold Truth in one reply
Dec 16th 2015
186
      Exactly. I really thought this was obvious.
Dec 16th 2015
187
           It IS obvioous, but unecessary. The in ring wrestling isn't the problem ...
Dec 16th 2015
188
                THIS IS WRESTLING and THIS is wrestling are different.
Dec 16th 2015
190
                     No it's not, it's a chant that comes as a direct result of great in ring...
Dec 16th 2015
191
                          I disagree completely.
Dec 16th 2015
195
                          I've heard the chant more than once at a few ROH shows.
Dec 17th 2015
205
Glad Corbin got the win there, he's been needing a big Takeover win
Dec 16th 2015
192
He’s quietly becoming very competent.
Dec 16th 2015
199
      I've turned the corner on him.
Dec 16th 2015
204
      I just can't get into him
Dec 18th 2015
210
I think the best part of NXT is we love the faces and hate the heels
Dec 16th 2015
196
      This all day.
Dec 18th 2015
206
      RE: I think the best part of NXT is we love the faces and hate the heels
Dec 21st 2015
215
your boy was on a wrassling podcast reviewing NXT
Dec 18th 2015
207
Hey you're not the yellow shirt guy arw you
Dec 18th 2015
208
I'm Long Hair McGillicutty
Dec 18th 2015
211
      Cool. Can you do one with you and other people?
Dec 21st 2015
216
           haha, that's the host
Dec 21st 2015
217
every time I hear your voice all I hear is
Dec 18th 2015
209
      hahaha
Dec 18th 2015
212
Got NXT Dallas tickets for Mania weekend
Dec 18th 2015
213
You'll have a blast
Dec 21st 2015
214
Wrestle kingdom 10 +
Jan 05th 2016
218
I just don't get it with Styles
Jan 05th 2016
219
      RE: I just don't get it with Styles
Jan 05th 2016
222
           Styles peaked a few years too early and a few years too late
Jan 06th 2016
223
Title on the line in the Rumble is exciting
Jan 05th 2016
220
I'm excited, but they picked a weird way to get there huh?
Jan 05th 2016
221
Cena likely to be out of WM32
Jan 07th 2016
224
this roster is looking real thin for WM
Jan 07th 2016
225
Taker Rock would draw for sure but be kind of useless
Jan 07th 2016
226
right, they have some options, I'm just not sure how interesting they ar...
Jan 07th 2016
227
I hope they both get injured
Jan 07th 2016
229
This Wrestlemania always looked like shit anyways.
Jan 07th 2016
228
      I'm fantasy booking Rock vs Owens
Jan 07th 2016
230
      I'm booking Rock, Taker, Jericho, HHH, Sting, Show, and Kane into injuri...
Jan 07th 2016
231
      I'm assuming Jericho vs Ambrose?
Jan 08th 2016
241
           I'm guessing we get Jericho vs Owens
Jan 08th 2016
244
      i was hopeful that it would be old guys getting the current roster over
Jan 07th 2016
232
           I always felt those matches were best left to the 3 other shows
Jan 07th 2016
233
                I'm with you
Jan 07th 2016
234
                It's an 11 month a year problem, not a Mania problem
Jan 07th 2016
235
                     in fairness, and we don't really know what their original plans were
Jan 07th 2016
236
                          At the very least they had Rollins ready to take a top Mania spot
Jan 07th 2016
237
                               I'm gonna keep pretending that this was the start of Cesaro's big push
Jan 07th 2016
238
                                    The Start was WM 30
Jan 07th 2016
239
                                         I guess the 2nd step was Heyman which made no sense...
Jan 08th 2016
242
                                              They literally turned him face and alligned him with the biggest heel
Jan 08th 2016
243
he'll rub some HGH on it and be back next week.
Jan 07th 2016
240
aaaaaand now Sasha is injured too.
Jan 08th 2016
245
knowing what you know, book the best Mania you can
Jan 09th 2016
246
RE: my good as hell mania. No way these matches happen tho.
Jan 09th 2016
247
We talking Dream Mania or realistic Mania?
Jan 09th 2016
248
Here's what I'd pull together...
Jan 11th 2016
249
1. Owens vs Ambrose for the WWE Title
Jan 12th 2016
250
finally taking a stab at this
Jan 13th 2016
251
R.I.P. "Iron" Mike Sharpe
Jan 18th 2016
252
The end of tonight's Raw is worth watching spoiler free
Jan 18th 2016
253
lol they can't fool me again
Jan 18th 2016
254
Oh there;s plenty of reason for apathy and I'm with you
Jan 18th 2016
255
For about 30 seconds I thought
Jan 19th 2016
256
      the most refreshing thing they could do
Jan 19th 2016
261
           Agreed. Ditto Owens, Ambrose, Neville, Calisto.
Jan 19th 2016
264
My best guess knowing how WWE does things
Jan 19th 2016
257
      I forgot about HHH, I bet his is the 4th man
Jan 19th 2016
258
           When was the last time he was on TV?
Jan 19th 2016
262
                Been gone since Reigns beat him up
Jan 19th 2016
263
boy that Roman Reigns has the deck stacked against him!
Jan 19th 2016
259
LMAO @ Titus throwing Breeze over Henry
Jan 19th 2016
260
I know no one here cares, but
Jan 19th 2016
265
damn, can't they give EC3 a run?
Jan 20th 2016
266
This is exactly WHY nobody cares
Jan 20th 2016
267
Well that isn't as bad as
Jan 20th 2016
269
      I actually like Drew Mac. But yeah.
Jan 20th 2016
270
Matt Hardy
Jan 20th 2016
268
TNA...and the rumble
Jan 21st 2016
276
HHH the Vegas favorite to win the Rumble
Jan 21st 2016
271
Not too bad - Alex Riley 150/1
Jan 21st 2016
272
I like Bray at 15/1. I'd bet equal money on him and Trips.
Jan 21st 2016
273
Shoutout to Stone Cold E.T.
Jan 21st 2016
274
to confirm, we definitely don't think Rollins is eligible right??
Jan 21st 2016
275
If what they say about his injury is true, it'd be a miracle
Jan 22nd 2016
278
nope. he should sit out a full year.
Jan 22nd 2016
290
A lot of rumours have suggested HHH vs Reigns at Mania...
Jan 22nd 2016
277
Putting it on HHH gives them 2 months to figure it out too
Jan 22nd 2016
279
RE: A lot of rumours have suggested HHH vs Reigns at Mania...
Jan 22nd 2016
280
      HHH coming out as #31 would make me laugh out loud...
Jan 22nd 2016
285
If I were a betting man KO would be my dark horse.
Jan 22nd 2016
283
RE: HHH the Vegas favorite to win the Rumble
Jan 22nd 2016
284
The best rumble fantasy booking?
Jan 22nd 2016
281
Roman Reigns wins via throwing out whoever, maybe a LoN member
Jan 22nd 2016
282
      My biggest issue with Bray vs Brock is this...
Jan 22nd 2016
286
           I think they could make it work with it being Wyatts v Brock
Jan 22nd 2016
288
                Ya it would be cool, I just don't see them doing it
Jan 22nd 2016
289
just saw the trailor for the sunny/tammy p*rn LINK
Jan 22nd 2016
287
Austin Aries signs with NXT
Jan 23rd 2016
291
I think we're gonna start to see NXT become it's own thing
Jan 23rd 2016
292
RE: Austin Aries signs with NXT
Jan 23rd 2016
293
2000 - 2004 wwe
Jan 23rd 2016
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great, great period.
Jan 23rd 2016
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      I remember in that era thinking how bad it was starting to get
Jan 23rd 2016
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      I love that Taker/Angle/Rock match...
Jan 23rd 2016
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      You haven't broke me taker
Jan 23rd 2016
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      RE: great, great period.
Jan 23rd 2016
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Buck
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1. "Earliest rasslin' memories involved Bockwinkel."
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I mostly remember thinking how weird a name "Bockwinkel" is, but I was pretty young. Rest in peace.

  

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MaxPtah
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2. "Loved it when he used to come down here and torture Lawler"
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Definitely one of Lawler's top ten rivals in his heyday. Also the feud with him and Zbyszko is still one of my favorites.

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Warren Coolidge
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Mon Nov-23-15 12:44 AM

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21. "Bockwinkle had a few pretty exciting fueds..."
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Zbysko... Rick Martell....Hulk... King lawler.... Verne Gagne...

Bockwinkle was big time in the AWA for a long time..

  

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Buck
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3. "Global jihad tryna eff with my rasslin'."
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This is the world we live in.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/fbi-taking-anonymous-isis-threat-seriously-atlanta/npSN9/

ATLANTA — FBI officials have confirmed to Channel 2 Action News that they are taking seriously a report about an ISIS threat at a WWE Survivor Series event in Atlanta on Sunday.

The FBI released the following statement to Channel 2 Action News:
"The FBI is aware of reports of an alleged threat that includes an Atlanta, Georgia venue and event. While we take all threats seriously, we do not have specific or credible information of an attack at this time. We have, however, made the proper notifications as we continue to work closely with our law enforcement and private sector partners to keep our community safe."

The hacker group Anonymous said Saturday that it had uncovered information about Islamic State group attacks in Paris as well as locations in the U.S.

According to an article in the International Business Times:
"Anonymous also said the Islamic State group is planning an assault at the WWE Survivor Series event scheduled to take place in the Philips Arena in Atlanta Sunday at 7.30 p.m. EST, as well as attacks at multiple events in Paris. "

Channel 2's Mark Winne spoke with the director of the Georgia Emergency Management Agency, Jim Butterworth, who said his agency is working closely with the FBI, the Georgia Information Sharing and Analysis Center and others in evaluating the threat on a Sunday WWE event in Atlanta reported by the group Anonymous.

WWE released the following statement to Channel 2 Action News Saturday:
“WWE Survivor Series is currently scheduled as planned while we investigate the matter with federal, state and local authorities.”

  

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4. "Got Survivor Series predictions guys?"
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I'm getting more excited about this the closer we get. There's a lot that's predictable but there's still interesting ways to go with it still. I do prefer 3 rounds of a tourney in one night. It's a lot to squeeze in, but I think it's fun.


Charlotte vs. Paige - After the other night I don't see how Charlotte loses this. They'll find a way to extend this feud another month or two though. Sidenote: I had more of an issue that the Reid angle came out of left field than that it happened, but I still wasn't crazy about it.

Breeze vs. Ziggler - They gotta give Breeze a win here, right? At this point I'm just hoping his trajectory is "jobber with some legitimacy" rather than just straight jobber. A win over Ziggler sets that up.

Brothers of Destruction vs. two members of the Wyatt family - This is the toughest one. Taker could get a win as a celebration of his 25 years (if Harper and/or Rowan are in the match I expect they will). Wyatt could win to force the rubber match at WM32. Kane could turn on him to set up WM32. Will there be soul-taking? What even is soul-taking? Didn't they already do that? Why are Taker and Kane back then? There's not much that makes sense here but I think the match will be entertaining. I guess I'll predict a taker win since I see heel wins in a lot of other places, but I don't mind any outcome of this really. I just want to see Strongman look Strong, man.

Random ass Survivor Series match - Like, why did they even bother at this point? There's literally no setup to this. I'm just hoping they throw Cesaro in there and have him clean house with mad running/spinning uppercuts. Can't get enough Swiss Superman these days.

Reigns vs. Del Rio - Couldn't be more obvious that it'll be Reigns. And as a big Del Rio fan I'm really disappointed in this run. He already looks bored, and I don't think anyone knows where this MexAmerica shit is going.

Ambrose vs. Owens - I like either result here, but it'll be Ambrose. They'll get around to Reigns-Owens eventually and it'll be a lot of fun though.

WWE Title - Ambrose in a heel turn over Reigns, but I'd prefer a heel Reigns. In the off-chance Owens gets into the finals I hope he'd win. If it's babyface Reigns I think Sheamus cashes in and loses.

ISIS attack? - Idk, it's probably bullshit.

  

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5. "This bothers the hell outta me....."
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>Random ass Survivor Series match - Like, why did they even
>bother at this point? There's literally no setup to this. I'm
>just hoping they throw Cesaro in there and have him clean
>house with mad running/spinning uppercuts. Can't get enough
>Swiss Superman these days.

they did like 2-3 traditional Survivor Series matches on Raw in the last couple of weeks but couldnt build to one for the actual PPV? If my son wasnt so excited to go tomorrow (little dude has had this date circled on his calendar since I bought the tickets in July) I'd be trying to sell my tickets to the highest (lowest) bidder. I hope they got some surprises in store because right now I'm feeling like I'm gonna be highly disappointed tomorrow.....



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6. "At least you won the World Series"
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but yeah...this may be the worst SS in a while, and no traditional match of note does suck.

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8. "Can't blame you"
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I do think the rest of the card is strong, but I'm left wondering why they even keep the Survivor Series brand name at this point. I mean at least announce most of the participants on Raw the week of. Most of the big names are taken up so I can't imagine there's gonna be any worldbeaters in there.

  

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7. "RE: Got Survivor Series predictions guys?"
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>I'm getting more excited about this the closer we get.
>There's a lot that's predictable but there's still interesting
>ways to go with it still. I do prefer 3 rounds of a tourney in
>one night. It's a lot to squeeze in, but I think it's fun.


This Survivor Series has ZERO JUICE for me. Usually watch PPVs with a bunch of friends...may not even bother for this one.


>Charlotte vs. Paige - After the other night I don't see how
>Charlotte loses this. They'll find a way to extend this feud
>another month or two though.

Yeah probably, but I would love it if Natalya did a run in and crushed Charlotte to give Paige the belt, leaving together for a major swerve.


>Breeze vs. Ziggler - They gotta give Breeze a win here, right?
>At this point I'm just hoping his trajectory is "jobber with
>some legitimacy" rather than just straight jobber. A win over
>Ziggler sets that up.

I don't watch NXT, so I don't really know Breeze, but the little I've seen is corny as hell IMO. If you're gonna bring him up, you gotta put him over...Breeze wins.


>Brothers of Destruction vs. two members of the Wyatt family -
>This is the toughest one. Taker could get a win as a
>celebration of his 25 years (if Harper and/or Rowan are in the
>match I expect they will). Wyatt could win to force the rubber
>match at WM32. Kane could turn on him to set up WM32. Will
>there be soul-taking? What even is soul-taking? Didn't they
>already do that? Why are Taker and Kane back then? There's not
>much that makes sense here but I think the match will be
>entertaining. I guess I'll predict a taker win since I see
>heel wins in a lot of other places, but I don't mind any
>outcome of this really. I just want to see Strongman look
>Strong, man.


I want a final burial of the Undertaker and Kane, but I won't get it...B.O.D. in a yawner.


>Random ass Survivor Series match - Like, why did they even
>bother at this point? There's literally no setup to this. I'm
>just hoping they throw Cesaro in there and have him clean
>house with mad running/spinning uppercuts. Can't get enough
>Swiss Superman these days.


Who cares??? Not me...


>Reigns vs. Del Rio - Couldn't be more obvious that it'll be
>Reigns. And as a big Del Rio fan I'm really disappointed in
>this run. He already looks bored, and I don't think anyone
>knows where this MexAmerica shit is going.
?

They can't have my boy Del Rio waltz in off the street and beat their new golden boy after beating the old one, as much as I'd love it. Reigns wins.

>Ambrose vs. Owens - I like either result here, but it'll be
>Ambrose. They'll get around to Reigns-Owens eventually and
>it'll be a lot of fun though.


Vince isn't big on big patient build up, so "Reigns-Owens eventually" will be today. I'm gonna go Owens, just to set up....

>WWE Title - Ambrose in a heel turn over Reigns, but I'd prefer
>a heel Reigns. In the off-chance Owens gets into the finals I
>hope he'd win. If it's babyface Reigns I think Sheamus cashes
>in and loses.


...*sigh* Reigns over Owens. Having him beat the other two champions establishes the "Superman Punch" as the corniest move in WWE, supplanting the 5 Knuckle Shuffle, the People's Elbow, and the Hogan Legdrop. Sheamus cashes in and get squashed.



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9. "Breeze is a lot of fun, but his debut has sucked ass"
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He was already the guy who was great but couldn't be taken too seriously in NXT, so his exit was basically him jobbing to the bigger names for a while. It's not a huge surprise that it isn't working, but there's a lot of simple things they fucked up. They shouldn't have saddled him with Summer Rae and if they allowed him more freedom on the mic (I know, we say this for half the roster) then his character would get over way better. When it's too scripted he just comes across as Fandango mixed with Ziggler.

  

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10. "Thanks for the back story"
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>He was already the guy who was great but couldn't be taken
>too seriously in NXT, so his exit was basically him jobbing to
>the bigger names for a while. It's not a huge surprise that it
>isn't working, but there's a lot of simple things they fucked
>up. They shouldn't have saddled him with Summer Rae and if
>they allowed him more freedom on the mic (I know, we say this
>for half the roster) then his character would get over way
>better. When it's too scripted he just comes across as
>Fandango mixed with Ziggler.

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11. "cesaro bout to be gone for a minute for shoulder surgery"
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according to JR twitter.

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12. "renee young look good as fuck tonight. good grief"
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espn might need to go ahead and scoop her up.

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19. "Is she the other ring announcer?"
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Every time she left the ring I was following her back to her seat, goodness gracious....



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36. "nah renee is the one who does that sportscenter desk type thing"
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with Booker T (usually) and whoever else.

i think you talking about JoJo (black chick w/ the curly long hair). that's Jose Offerman's daughter lmao.

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37. "JoJo was doing backstage stuff, I believe he's talking about Cody's wife..."
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_Stiles


sidenote: JoJo looks a lot like my ex. it's really weird.

  

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13. "Still unsure WHO, but the winner of Reigns/Ambrose is via heel turn "
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14. "It's... It's gotta be Reigns! #lockit "
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15. "10:37 victory. Cue Sheamus or some shenanigans. "
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16. "Why is he getting the WM treatment?"
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17. "LOL so exactly what I called the day the tournament was announced"
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WWE always with the twists and turns that keep you interested and surprised.

  

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18. "they should've just turned Reigns."
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20. "Disagree completely. There's money on the Ambrose/Reigns bond"
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I say keep both faces and keep building in that and in two years flip the switch so that whenever one of them turns there's enough emotional equity that it's an actual event instead of just another ho hum run of the mill heel turn.

Plus everyone hates Sheamus and he's dann near the perfect guy to help Reigns get over the hump with certain fans and it's worth trying to build him as a face right now. It may not work but i say stay the course and see how this plays out.

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23. "Agree..."
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Perfect result (which I say as a Reigns fan). Credit to WWE for biding their time and not throwing the belt on him the first viable chance they could.

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22. "oh, and the show mostly sucked"
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24. "Roman is just about the dumbest wrestling character alive"
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Dumber than the Bushwhackers even.

After Rollins cashes in and cheats his way to the title Roman should be on the lookout for any bullshit that might get in the way of finally tasting glory. Yet he continues to be caught off-guard, looking dumbfounded each time. How can anyone sympathize with this guy?

He really outdid himself last night. Anyone with half a brain would take their boss' deal to go straight to the finals of a tournament. Hell, he had every right to believe he deserved that treatment as #1 contender. Once you have the title you don't HAVE to be his lapdog.

Anyone with half a brain wouldn't spear their boss for basically no reason. Sure, you got cheap applause, but even if Sheamus doesn't cash in you know he's gonna make your life as champion a living hell until you lose.

And what has HHH done recently to deserve this? He gave you an opportunity to skip to the front of the line, you said you wanted to do it the hard way, and YOU DID. End of story. he comes out to say "Hey good job, you really earned it." Whether he's sincere or not, a spear is not in order.

Anyone with half a brain would know that the perfect opportunity to cash in the briefcase is after a grueling tournament (more reason to agree to skip to the finals btw). Shit, the confetti, Triple H being there... this has Bryan at Summerslam written all over it. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE RING! CELEBRATE ON THE RAMP! DON'T HANG AROUND LIKE AN IDIOT!

  

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25. "My Dyson ball has more charisma and a larger moveset than him too"
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BELIEVE THAT
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26. "not turning Reigns last night is a missed opportunity."
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they're too afraid to take risks anymore. Cena is out, so they just need to plug an affable babyface in his spot. That's their panicky line of thinking.

I maintain that they should've turned Roman Reigns last night. Then he's a made man and you spend all Winter with Ambrose chasing him, in turn heating them BOTH up even more.

When they turned Rock for the first time at Surivor Series, by the time Mania rolled around people were REALLY ready to cheer him. They should've done the same thing here. Right today Reigns isn't a consensus favorite; by April he would've been, after a long heel run.

If Reigns sells out, he could state his case from a pragmatic and vulnerable place - he was so close at Wrestlemania, it ate him alive all year long, and he wasn't going to pass up the opportunity to become champion again. Simple as that, he went with a guarantee.

And then you can add another layer to Ambrose.
Ambrose is a cartoon character right now, wrestling in jeans and playing crazy and bouncing off the ropes in the middle of matches. I don't get him, but I'm evidently in the minority because he's almost REALLY over. So think about how interesting it would be if after Reigns turns, crazy man Ambrose is ironically the one guy who's left standing alone without having ever sacrificed his ideals. Go deep with it - "I never had friends, I never trusted anyone, and now the only two guys I ever believed in have both stabbed me in the back." Now he's incensed! And the empathy is built in too - not only is he angrier than ever but dammit everyone is BOUGHT IN on this guy getting his revenge.


I just think mostly through no fault of his own that Reigns is pretty uninteresting. Ambrose is also not my cup of tea. Turning Roman Reigns heel could've made both him and Ambrose a lot more intriguing.

  

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28. "agreed. I don't even see it as a risk."
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smarks love booing him, marks and kids like him but aren't as crazy about him as Cena, and the company needs a big heel more than it needs a big face. It's much easier to get away with not talking as a heel than a face. You really gonna rely on Sheamus as your top heel, even for a month or two?


>If Reigns sells out, he could state his case from a pragmatic
>and vulnerable place - he was so close at Wrestlemania, it ate
>him alive all year long, and he wasn't going to pass up the
>opportunity to become champion again. Simple as that, he went
>with a guarantee.

I'm willing to hold out hope that this is the long-term plan, but probably not. Either way, I think that's what they should go with.


>
>I just think mostly through no fault of his own that Reigns is
>pretty uninteresting. Ambrose is also not my cup of tea.
>Turning Roman Reigns heel could've made both him and Ambrose a
>lot more intriguing.
>

co-sign. it's so simple, but apparently it makes too much sense.

  

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31. "I was a big advocate of him turning following the Rumble disaster..."
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but I respect that he (and creative) stuck with it and turned the tide significantly. I agree he's perhaps not yet as over as he could be, but I think he's done well.

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34. "I think he's progressed in ring and regressed on the mic."
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which is the main reason I think heel Reigns works better. I think it's easier to be the big (relatively) silent enforcer heel, and we already know he excels in that role. I mean the Raw promo he cut on Wyatt about his daughter is one of the worst in recent memory and if they're giving him Cena-level attention then he needs to be able to turn around those crowds that hate him. As monotonous as those speeches are, there's a skill in that, and he's just gonna continue to look dumb most weeks if they continue down this path.

  

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27. "The spear caught me off guard like I almost took it as a heel turn..."
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It would've made sense if HHH was making his life difficult in the run up to SS.

Oh, and credit to the poster in the last wrestling thread who called the Sheamus cash-in following a Reigns win.

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30. "All I know is that last night made Reigns look weak as shit."
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Crying in the ring? Your top babyface?

Who wrote this?

  

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32. "monkeys could book this shit better man."
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29. "RIP...i remember that huge belt he had as AWA champ"
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as a kid i used to think that was the biggest belt ever.....it also seemed like he and harley race were nwa and awa champs for like EVER...

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38. "RE: RIP...i remember that huge belt he had as AWA champ"
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>as a kid i used to think that was the biggest belt
>ever.....it also seemed like he and harley race were nwa and
>awa champs for like EVER...

Bockwinkel and Verna Gagne were the AWA champs for ages...lol

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33. "Full PPV thoughts"
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The fact that they continue to abide by "time constraints" when they have their own network they can do anything with confuses me greatly. They don't even seem to care When Raw's final match starts at 10:55, but PPVs that aren't paid per view have strict rules. Ambrose-Reigns should have gone longer. Afterall, how long does a coronation and cash-in really take? I guess I prefer a 1-2 month Sheamus run over a boring babyface Reigns win, but I think there were many more creative ways to go with this. Have to chalk this up in the disappointment column.

The semifinals were the clear highlight to me, which probably shouldn't happen. Reigns-Del Rio was nice, and made a rudderless ADR look decent in a loss that needed to happen. Ambrose-Owens was the match of the night.

Taker's win was fan service and I'm totally fine with that. Still, putting Harper in only makes sense from a booking standpoint, but from Bray's angle... why the hell wouldn't you put in Strong Broman? Isn't bray supposed to be smart or something?

I was really disappointed in the "We Want Sasha" chants during Charlotte-Paige. I'd argue that it gets your point across on Raw and Smackdown, but is pointless on a PPV. WTF do you think they're gonna do, call an audible and throw Banks in there? Mind you, I'm the biggest Sasha fan, and this feud does nothing for me, but I still saw it as disrespectful to the performers. The match was no classic, but they were putting together something that made sense and then the air was sucked out of the room by those chants.

But that's not to let WWE off the hook here. They tried a desperate attempt at throwing it into 6th gear last week, then eased off the gas by not mentioning Reid at all yesterday. If you're gonna go there you gotta commit. You're not gonna get any more outside criticism than you already have, and Paige could get much-needed heat.

Breeze-Ziggler happened and was booked correctly. That's all I have to say about that. I skipped both SS matches cause I started late and needed to sleep.

  

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39. "Is anyone actually writing this show?"
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This is getting real WCWish.

  

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40. "If I bought a ticket to this Raw I'd be furious"
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"Oh, I bet the Raw after Survivor Series will have some crazy shit."

Nope. Just garbage.

  

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41. "It is pretty bad... I stopped after "
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the Charlotte/Paige fiasco

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43. "YOU MISSED HEATH SLATER'S BIG RETURN!!!"
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UGGGHHHH

  

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45. "Damn...and I forgot to set the DVR...LOL"
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42. "Why were Henry and Neville in a match?"
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Why was Henry even there?

What was Heath Slater doing? Is he in a program with Ryback now? Why?

Why are Ambrose and Ziggler wrestling Breeze and Owens?

  

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44. "This feels like they a worst of Raw compilation"
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like... wtf is this?

  

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46. "Hate for Reigns has officially become a caricature of itself. "
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The post SS reaction in here is just about the most tone def I've ever seen.

It's like some of you have never watched pro wrestling before.

Triple H has done nothing to warrant a spear?
People shouldn't attack their boss!
Why is Reigns crying? He's their top babyface! THAT NEVER HAPPENS!
What an idiot, he got attacked! Don't stay in the ring!
What an idiot, he chose to earn his title instead of taking the easy way out! What a dummy!

Easily some of the worst critiques I've ever read on OKP. These are 100% due to the fact that this is Reigns, unless you just plain don't know a thing about pro wrestling.

Definitely an analytical low point.

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47. "this isn't reigns hate, it's booking hate"
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he's greatly improved in the ring and i think he can be champ with the right circumstances, but the writing for him is just plain dumb. i don't actually care about him staying in the ring or trying to earn his way up, i'm mostly just having some fun with those, but the character is written REALLY dumb. his motivations are really fuzzy and something about family and brothers and punching people in the mouth and blah blah blah.

they've tried to fix everything they did wrong before last year's rumble, but they've only gone halfway. this latest tournament does not make him a sympathetic figure, and that was the whole point.

>Triple H has done nothing to warrant a spear?

not recently, no. he offered reigns a deal to shoot straight to the top, just like he had earned. reigns decided not to... fine. had HHH gone out of his way to try to screw him during the tourney, THEN he deserves a spear. but he didn't. he let the tournament play out, watched reigns earn it, then came out for the handshake. even if you don't trust his intentions, BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR SHEAMUS.

OF COURSE the plan would be HHH serves as the distraction while sheamus cashes in.

  

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48. "Ya it's dumb booking, those critiques would come for most wrestlers"
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The top face is often booked stupid to do things that make no logical sense. The top face is often the most hated person in the IWC so you tend to see them taking the brunt of that hate due to the combo.

  

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49. "it's everything that's wrong with the Cena character magnified"
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because Cena has other intangibles that'll keep people watching (for the most part).

  

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50. "Right. It's paint-by-numbers writing and it sucks."
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And maybe "make it easier for everyone" is the point, maybe this shit just isn't for me anymore and I'm holding onto an idea that is antiquated, the idea that stories can be told with consistency and nuance.

It's not just Reigns dude, it's everything. It is lazy, obvious, inconsistent writing plagues that plagues this show.

Some more recent examples:

- What did the Wyatts do with Kane and Undertaker? And how were Kane and Undertaker allowed to simply reappear a few short weeks after these abductions seemingly unscathed? Did they escape from some dark lair, were they brainwashed? (And don't get me started on the Wyatts. Their writing is the worst across the entire show.)

- WWE conveniently played up Reigns being related to the Rock earlier in the year...and last time Survivor Series hosted a tournament for the world title, the Rock won after selling out to a similar authority figure...why not remind the audience of this and openly question Reigns motivations? Why not lean on that lineage more and wonder aloud if Rock and Reigns had talked going into the tournament, implying that Reigns may too seize a similar opportunity? Again, NUANCE - have some fun with it and plant those seeds of doubt in the minds of the viewers!!!

- What makes Dean Ambrose crazy? Where is Dean Ambrose from? WHO THE FUCK IS DEAN AMBROSE??? I mean he's announced from Ohio and we can assume that he's from some white trash town - but have we seen this town or him in this environment? Is he just some wacko in jeans, or is he a kid with a troubled past from the wrong side of the tracks who escaped his meager surroundings and had his life saved by wrestling?


These aren't nitpicky questions, they're fair questions that are a direct result of the gaping holes that are left time and again in the storytelling. No nuance, no foreshadowing, no canon, barely any attention to detail.

The reason I'm so charged up about these things is because they used to care about backstory and hints and subtlety and feel. Go back and watch the buildup to the Wrestlemania 12 main event. Besides the point that that main event is one of the more overrated matches ever, the build to it was SOAKED in emotion.

Go back and watch the stuff where Jake and Taker are haunting Savage. THEN, watch when Taker turns babyface...even this pale white dead monster has VALUES. (http://www.wwe.com/videos/undertaker-saves-miss-elizabeth-from-a-backstage-attack-superstars-feb-15-1992-26149537) From that very moment you are ON Team Taker.

There's no fucking depth in this show anymore. None. I can't bring myself to care about any of these guys. Sheamus, Del Rio, Ambrose, Reigns. They're faces. They're proof that all of the talent and good looks in the world can only take you so far IF THERE'S NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. There's a reason the crowd pops huge when they trot Shawn out a few times a year - it's not just because he's the all time best in ring worker ever, it's because we KNOW that Shawn is a reformed addict who saved his life and found redemption! We all have an uncle Shawn dude. THAT's part of Shawn's legened, as much as Undertaker's backstage reputation is now part of his onscreen mystique. CM Punk really WAS frustrated. Daniel Bryan really WAS shit on time and again. DEPTH DEPTH DEPTH DEPTH, find some.

Who are these guys and why are they here and what do they hope to accomplish????? They don't answer those questions enough, and when they do answer these questions the answers are so god damn obvious and hamfisted that even my fifth grade self would've thought this was corny.

The issue is NOT Roman Reigns. Reigns should be great and should inevitably end up in the Hall of Fame. The issue is that I really don't CARE about Roman Reigns. That isn't his fault at all.




  

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51. "RE: Right. It's paint-by-numbers writing and it sucks."
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>And maybe "make it easier for everyone" is the point, maybe
>this shit just isn't for me anymore and I'm holding onto an
>idea that is antiquated, the idea that stories can be told
>with consistency and nuance.

This is literally the problem. I'm a grown man in my 30's and wrestling is not written for me as much as I want it to be.

Us watching and getting mad that it's aimed as kids is literally the equivalent of us turning on Disney Channel or something and getting mad that we don't like the shows on it and they were better when we were a kid.

WWE had a brief run aimed at older audiences, but that was almost 20 years ago at this point.

  

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53. "But even things for kids should make sense."
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Aiming at 10-year-olds doesn't absolve you from actually telling a story.

If you want to have little guy Neville scratch out a win against giant Mark Henry, fine, but even a child should be presented with some reason, some cause/effect why they're in the ring together in the first place.

Just having random shit happen at random time might work for, say, a 4-year-old, but even Sesame Street develops narratives.

  

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54. "yeah I hate when "aimed for kids" becomes synonymous with bad"
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You can entertain kids and adults. Pixar films are enjoyed by all, for example.

  

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55. "Ya I'm not calling it impossible, but WWE's writers ain't pixar writers"
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Also the biggest issue remains Vince at the top stuck in his old ways.

The difference between NXT and the main roster makes that so obvious at this point, Vince is hands off in NXT and the storytelling is everything everyone wishes Raw was. That's why it's so weird to me when people say they don't watch NXT then have these complaints, like it's right there to watch and get what you want.

  

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57. "and to add on, it's not like NXT is reinventing the wheel"
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I've probably said this a million times. They keep it simple. They make the character's motivations clear. Even when they have a down episode, it's really not that bad and at least SOMETHING is accomplished. There are certainly people in NXT I'm not crazy about, but they've at least tried to make it work and put stories out there that make sense.

The main roster, on the other hand, is all over the place. Vince is constantly responding to bad ratings by putting tired old crap out there. Give us something new that'll keep us talking. With 5+ hours of TV it's insane that we barely know what the motivations of major characters are. The Shield guys have been there for 3 years and the Wyatts for 2. We shouldn't have major questions about them.

Yeah, the more I write about it the more convinced I am I gotta check out during the Sheamus reign. I'll keep Raw on the DVR just in case, but I can't see this being anything but brutal.

  

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58. "Hulu is the way to go for Raw"
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Especially if you pay the $2 extra for commercial free

It's 90 minutes long with no commercials.

  

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61. "i typically start it late and fast forward through the garbage"
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but lately I'll do picture-in-picture with MNF. they haven't been giving me many reasons to switch away from football.

  

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59. "NXT right now is better than Raw in every possible way."
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And has been for a while. If it ran on a regular cable channel it would probably thrash Raw in the ratings every single week.

I'm terrified that Vince will try to take it over from Regal and HHH.

As I type that, a side note that it's pretty dumb to have HHH essentially a babyface on NXT and a heel on Raw.

  

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60. "The NXT world kind of exists in a world where Raw doesn't exist"
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It's non realistic but I'm ok with that.

NXT pulls the curtain back and breaks the 4th wall so to speak a lot. Just like they will talk about the 4 horsewomen on NXT but on Raw pretend that Sasha and Charlotte hate each other.

I don't think Vince will take it over at any point, I think he just views it as unimportant and not mattering (a problem in its own right). By the time it was so huge that it could make as much as Raw you have to imagine he'd be retired anyway.

  

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56. "Storytelling was never great in WWE's history"
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There are better eras like the Attitude Era but that was for older audiences.

We can always look back and remember great stories being told (especially because there were only a few big events each year), but there are countless times in the 80's and 90's where a face turn just happened simply by having a guy come out for no reason to save another face. Now he fights heels.

Or random heels and faces being teamed together for no other reason than them being faces and heels. For every slow build to HBK throwing Marty through the window there are dozens of random bad guy doing a good guy thing and us now cheering for him for no reason.

  

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72. "The Attitude Era was Rock and Austin. Remove them and it's pretty bad. "
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Yeah everyone was over, but that was more due to an overall fervor for pro wrestling as a whole. Rock, Austin, NWO, and DX pretty much drove this fervor and a lot of others reaped the benefits but a lot of the attitude era stuff aged horribly.

Hell, acts like Too Cool were MASSIVELY over and were fucking awful. That shit aged about the worst.

Val Venis was over like crazy, but why? There was nothing particularly creative in his character or the writing of his character. It played on tastes for more risque material and nothing more. Ditto the Godfather. They were over more as a reactionary product of the time than anything else because there was absolutely nothing special about them.

Granted there were other bright spots such as the Hardyz and Edge and Christian and Mick Foley, but there's a lot of things that are romanticized about the era as a whole. The Ministry was a particularly hokie faction, as was it's corporate hybrid.

Crucifying Austin was shock TV capitalizing on the Springer effect, but that shit didn't age well at all.

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52. "right, they barely mention things and then rush the story when they do."
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I didn't know Reigns even had a kid or Dean's dad was a bad guy (or whatever, I barely remember) until their feuds with Wyatt, and then when Bray brings that up it comes out of nowhere.

the undertaker-wyatt feud really annoys me as well. it's taker vs. the modern version taker. this feud has no right to not be incredible, but outside of a few moments is just a mess.

  

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62. "great post"
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the could improve the product by...

- cutting back RAW to two hours. i think this is USA network's call, not the company's though. maybe when both parties start to concede that ratings are at an 18-year low, they'll make an adjustment. less is more.

- bringing back "enhancement talent"/jobbers in moderation to work with the main roster. why would i care about a PPV when wwe creative just fed me the same two guys a couple weeks earlier? oh, yay, it's ziggler and seamus for the hundredth time. oh, yay, what a limp-dick blowoff to a feud.

- letting heels cheat. why no more grabbing the trunks for the pinfall? why no more doing malicious shit behind the ref's back? vince has all but forgotten how to get real heat on a heel. either that, or he's so overly-concerned about being PG and setting a positive example for kids that he's put the clamps on it (jim ross said it's the latter).

- stop the ADHD/shaky camera angles. do they really need to quick zoom in and out of every single kick and punch?

look, we know the kayfabe times are long gone, but they can't continue to operate a publicly-traded company like they are.

i stopped trying to convince myself that the product is good a long time ago.

  

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63. "this has been bothering me a lot recently:"
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>- letting heels cheat. why no more grabbing the trunks for the
>pinfall? why no more doing malicious shit behind the ref's
>back? vince has all but forgotten how to get real heat on a
>heel. either that, or he's so overly-concerned about being PG
>and setting a positive example for kids that he's put the
>clamps on it (jim ross said it's the latter).
>


i'm kind of amazed when i go back and watch old shit. heels were cheating all the time, crowds went ballistic, and it rarely got old. just little things get heels over in a big way. i was watching shawn michaels pull a dude's hair and then act all innocent when the ref called him out, only to go right back to it. does something like that affect the match in a meaningful way? not particularly. could shawn win without that? absolutely, and that's why it's fucking hilarious.

  

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64. "It was character development and traits"
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It's a thing nobody has

Roman Reigns is big and acts nice to faces and beats up heels so we cheer for him.

Rusev is mean to faces so we boo him. He no longer even has his Russia thing, he's just a heel for no real reason.

Literally 90% of the roster is good because they fight heels and bad because the fight faces.

Kevin Owens is kind of the only heel who really acts like an old school heel and no surprise he gets actual heat. My girlfriend HATES Kevin Owens. When he threw the flowers in that Japan match for the NXT title she was done with him and despises seeing him on screen. From such a simple activity.

  

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65. "to be fair, they've never perfected it"
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Hogan did more back rakes than just about anyone, but he was the good guy so people cheered.


>Rusev is mean to faces so we boo him. He no longer even has
>his Russia thing, he's just a heel for no real reason.

yeah, everyone just straight up bullied Rusev. For a while he wasn't even saying much inflammatory shit and it was really weird.


>Kevin Owens is kind of the only heel who really acts like an
>old school heel and no surprise he gets actual heat. My
>girlfriend HATES Kevin Owens. When he threw the flowers in
>that Japan match for the NXT title she was done with him and
>despises seeing him on screen. From such a simple activity.

see? stuff like that and sasha taking the girl's hair bow is so rare that it really jumps out at you when it happens. I really think these guys and gals would come up with more stuff like this if you took the leash off them. wrestlers on the main roster are afraid to try anything new for fear of getting yelled at by vince. meanwhile, they're stuck with the same shitty characters in the same half-baked storylines. no wonder no one's grabbing the brass ring.

  

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68. "and in-ring psychology"
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jake roberts' "do you trust me?" run is sooo underrated. granted, slapping a valet elizabeth would never fly in 2015.

>It's a thing nobody has
>
>Roman Reigns is big and acts nice to faces and beats up heels
>so we cheer for him.
>
>Rusev is mean to faces so we boo him. He no longer even has
>his Russia thing, he's just a heel for no real reason.

sadly, i'm different on both these guys. neither one gives me a reason to love or hate.

>Literally 90% of the roster is good because they fight heels
>and bad because the fight faces.

>Kevin Owens is kind of the only heel who really acts like an
>old school heel and no surprise he gets actual heat. My
>girlfriend HATES Kevin Owens. When he threw the flowers in
>that Japan match for the NXT title she was done with him and
>despises seeing him on screen. From such a simple activity.


  

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66. "RE: this has been bothering me a lot recently:"
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>way. i was watching shawn michaels pull a dude's hair and then
>act all innocent when the ref called him out, only to go right
>back to it.

LOL ...exactly.

ironically vince on the stick was equally masterful in the subtleties of putting heat on someone.. "TURN AROUND! C'MON REF, GET IN THERE!"

now we're left with the cole-jbl-saxton sleeping pill

  

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67. "that's the other thing about NXT: the commentary is better"
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I really don't mind Cole for the most part, but why the main roster doesn't have a true heel announcer is beyond me. JBL's "sometimes I like the good guys" schtick makes no sense whatsoever. Corey Graves excels at throwing subtle jabs, being obviously hypocritical, and calling out his fellow announcers for being hypocritical whether they are or not. Again, these are all the basics, but he's nailing them. Even Saxton is fun when Corey is around.

  

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86. "Corey Graves GETS it."
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I've been really impressed. I cottoned onto NXT just as he was sidelined, but he's honestly one of the most promising commentary talents I've seen in ages. Reminds me of Jesse Ventura with his heel-leaning but impossible-to-deny logic.

Saxton is Michael Cole level or lower... no wit whatsoever. The Black Todd Pettengill.

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70. "Heels make wrestling..."
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good when it is good. Outside of that, wrestling is just 'movez' and star ratings, which is basically impossible to maintain with a fanbase across a whole card or even at the top of the card without getting everyone hella hurt. I'm with old man Ross on that one...

Think:
- Savage sneak-attacking Steamboat with the bell.
- Ric Flair period (the fact that he was a hoss in the ring just put it over the top when he had someone who could go with him).
- Flair in WWF claiming to have hollered at Liz at some point to piss off Liz-crazy ass Randy Savage. The pics by the pool with the skrawberries! And the embroidered towels!

http://41.media.tumblr.com/c0c2f98cc8e790dca8de8190ae592dc3/tumblr_nt6a39f6f81rg89a6o1_1280.jpg


- Vince trying to 'hold down' Stone Cold.
- Truly heelish Eddie G.
- Corporate Rock.
- Early nWo Hulk Hogan saying 'to hell with your fanhood..you can act like you hate me now, but I'm the reason you ever watched wrestling' and being a chickenshit heel in matches. The way he laid the hell down for Goldberg might still be his best in-ring thing ever even if it all got effed up after.
- 'You have a point but you've gone too far with it'/crybaby/sore loser/Super Canadian Bret Hart.

If there's no solidly bad guys who do bad things in most situations and are tough to beat, why in the hell do we need to see the good guy prevail?

AKA there HAS to be a story or some 'emotional investment'. You're better off having someone to root for and against. And the wrestlers have easier gigs in that situation too.

Instead, older cats like most of us watch shows basically 'knowing' who is going to win and either rolling with it because the guy usually has good matches or hating it because a cat like Cena goes over in 'obvious'/'lazy' ways that 'bury' the heel opponent by making it clear that Cena is just better.

But don't swerve us just swerve us cuz we don't want that either!

It has to be tough for them to book stuff for older folks. You have to keep things going in logical ways. They're clearly trying to wink at us with NXT like 'Look over here! We think we kinda know what you want! Indy/Japan dudes! Matches! Movez! Corny jokes! Stories! Long builds! Likable faces and dastardly heels! But we can't give it to you on the big shows and still keep our casuals and the kids. SOOOOO...here's more Cena kinda being a scumbag as a character and winning via get up outta the blue and doing specials because neon wristbands be sellin and real Cena is good cat who works hella hard'.

I can damn near cry watching Zayn, the NXT girls, and those folks wrestle in big matches. I mean really...I'm not ashamed to say it..I would've straight up cried with tears if Bayley would've lost that big title match to Sasha. And they made it look like she totally could've lost cuz Sasha was throwing it all at her. They did that thing RIGHT and I was all the way in on wanting her to win that match. She's good! And it took her a long time to get to that point! BUT Sasha is good too! And she's had to become a bad person to get to the top. I get it, but I wanted her to lose to a good person who was trying to do it the 'right way'! SIMPLE! I could mark out to the whole story, buy into the match, and be invested in seeing the good person win over the bad person.

Meanwhile, I can just straight up not GAF about Reigns getting jobbed at Survivor Series by a heatless MITB-holding Sheamus and HHH doing the 1998 Vince without the shock value or the 'newness' of having a shady authority figure. I couldn't buy in. I can't believe that Reigns is just gonna not end up champ at some point because the folks in charge want him to be champ even though the folks in charge are the 'shady folks in charge' who don't want him to win. But they keep giving him reasonably straight-forward ways to win the title! I can't buy it!

Remember when Vince got fed up and showed up 'ready' to wrestle Stone Cold with that black beater on? He looked pissed enough to do it. Of course we all knew he was gonna get beat the hell up but still try to cheat his way up on a win. AND IT WAS AWESOME. Because it was heeling done right!

When HHH wrestles to 'put a stop to' some face, we all just tend to hope he doesn't win via being booked to look better than the other dude. That doesn't work.

Jimaveli

>
>>- letting heels cheat. why no more grabbing the trunks for
>the
>>pinfall? why no more doing malicious shit behind the ref's
>>back? vince has all but forgotten how to get real heat on a
>>heel. either that, or he's so overly-concerned about being
>PG
>>and setting a positive example for kids that he's put the
>>clamps on it (jim ross said it's the latter).
>>
>
>
>i'm kind of amazed when i go back and watch old shit. heels
>were cheating all the time, crowds went ballistic, and it
>rarely got old. just little things get heels over in a big
>way. i was watching shawn michaels pull a dude's hair and then
>act all innocent when the ref called him out, only to go right
>back to it. does something like that affect the match in a
>meaningful way? not particularly. could shawn win without
>that? absolutely, and that's why it's fucking hilarious.

  

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75. "co-sign all of this:"
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and lol@ this:

But they keep giving him
>reasonably straight-forward ways to win the title! I can't buy
>it!

it really is that simple. i mean he DECIDES to go through a whole tournament and HHH just lets him do it. how the fuck do you STILL get screwed over when they weren't even trying to? all you gotta do is win the tourney and be on the lookout for sheamus.... YOU HAD ONE JOB ROMAN!!!

  

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71. "Well hell that's a relief. "
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>i don't actually care about him staying in the
>ring or trying to earn his way up, i'm mostly just having some
>fun with those,

well that's good lol.

but the character is written REALLY dumb. his
>motivations are really fuzzy and something about family and
>brothers and punching people in the mouth and blah blah blah.

Honestly when you look back that's par for the course. Outside of specific feuds the motivation for most wrestlers is pretty vague and general.

>they've tried to fix everything they did wrong before last
>year's rumble, but they've only gone halfway. this latest
>tournament does not make him a sympathetic figure, and that
>was the whole point.

I really don't see why. Dude has improved and dude has worked his ass off. I think people are asking for a little too much. In fact, I'll argue there's nothing he can do to win over the people who hate him.

Here's what I know: the shows I've gone to always have these obnoxious ass smarks who boo everyone they're "supposed" to like and cheer everyone they're not. I'd argue these make up the bulk of those booing him and enough people are following that lead that it's going to be difficult to turn that tide enough to prevent the "Cena" effect. I'd bet money that there's NO booking that can fix this.

>>Triple H has done nothing to warrant a spear?

>not recently, no. he offered reigns a deal to shoot straight
>to the top, just like he had earned. reigns decided not to...
>fine. had HHH gone out of his way to try to screw him during
>the tourney, THEN he deserves a spear. but he didn't. he let
>the tournament play out, watched reigns earn it, then came out
>for the handshake. even if you don't trust his intentions, BE
>ON THE LOOKOUT FOR SHEAMUS.

Nah. Come on. Hunter has been the proverbial devil in Reigns ear for the duration of this tournament. There's every reason to suspect he's up to something. Not to mention Hunter recruited Rollins away from the Shield.

That, of course, brings me to the criticism about the way he's written. The writing is awful across the board, so why the particular emphasis on him there? There's pretty much NOTHING well written in WWE (not including NXT), so the writing for Reigns shouldn't be all that big a deal in that context.

To that end, they should have realistically written more of that history into this story. I can't think of a single element of this show that is remotely well written.... aside, that is, from the relationship between Dean and Reigns, which is why I vote against a turn until they've built enough equity long term that the shock will actually be an event.

>OF COURSE the plan would be HHH serves as the distraction
>while sheamus cashes in.

Well yeah. So why NOT take out HHH if the plan is that obvious? I think this portion is overblown in context of wrestling history, particularly with the money in the bank cash ins. Everyone gets got with that, not counting Super Cena surviving an incredible beating at the hands of Sandow (remember him?).

Plus, there was no music on this one. Typically a MITB cash in involves music hitting for the guy with the briefcase. At least with this they created a distraction and had him come from nowhere.

So Reigns has two matches in one night, wins his first title after beating his best friend, the little devil in his ear- the one who drove a wedge in The Shield, no less- comes out to "congratulate" him and most likely has ulterior motives, Reigns takes him out, and then Sheamus rolls up from nowhere mid distraction to take him out?

Damn. That's a long ass night. That's an awful lot. If you're not, at a minimum, understanding of such a mental lapse under those circumstances, I can't see how you're anything but biased. Frankly that's harsh criticism for Reigns that borders on unfair IMO.

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77. "bad writing for the top guy will obviously get criticized more"
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>That, of course, brings me to the criticism about the way he's
>written. The writing is awful across the board, so why the
>particular emphasis on him there? There's pretty much NOTHING
>well written in WWE (not including NXT), so the writing for
>Reigns shouldn't be all that big a deal in that context.

I like Cena the guy, I hate Cena the character. he was the symbol for the bad writing of the PG era. it's nothing personal.

>
>Honestly when you look back that's par for the course. Outside
>of specific feuds the motivation for most wrestlers is pretty
>vague and general.

why are we JUST hearing about his daughter once bray wyatt brings it up? my first thought should be "oh shit, Bray's bringing his fam into this?!" not "oh... Roman has a family?" that's the type of lazy shit that didn't used to happen as much.

>
>I really don't see why. Dude has improved and dude has worked
>his ass off. I think people are asking for a little too much.
>In fact, I'll argue there's nothing he can do to win over the
>people who hate him.

yeah, he has. the writing hasn't. and if his mic skills are still this bad (i'd argue they're getting worse) they need to find a way around that that makes sense. they haven't even tried.

>
>Here's what I know: the shows I've gone to always have these
>obnoxious ass smarks who boo everyone they're "supposed" to
>like and cheer everyone they're not. I'd argue these make up
>the bulk of those booing him and enough people are following
>that lead that it's going to be difficult to turn that tide
>enough to prevent the "Cena" effect. I'd bet money that
>there's NO booking that can fix this.

disagree. he was a more natural heel and everyone loved him then. him as a face straight up doesn't work, at least not in it's current incarnation. and i don't think it's that every face is booed. it's only if they're shoved down their throats. you can argue IWC fans get nitpicky and i somewhat agree, but you can't argue that the company is making a good attempt at storytelling. they simply aren't. it's a mess. they've sold reigns as this supposed underdog when he looks nothing like the part. time for something new.


>
>Nah. Come on. Hunter has been the proverbial devil in Reigns
>ear for the duration of this tournament. There's every reason
>to suspect he's up to something. Not to mention Hunter
>recruited Rollins away from the Shield.

sure, he's right to suspect something's amiss, but in the kayfabe world a face is generally not supposed to attack a guy who didn't attack him first. yeah, HHH made it clear he didn't want him winning, but did he physically do anything to impede the process? no. go ahead and don't shake his hand, look around for sheamus, a spear makes no sense there... as is evidenced by the fact that he DISTRACTED HIMSELF by doing it. see? stupid. a face should be beat down by overwhelming odds or his honest ways didn't get the job done against a cheat. He shouldn't be beat by his own stupidity.

i mean seriously, why is the face the aggressor? that's not just roman btw, they keep having faces bully dudes like rusev. cena gives another AA to rollins before his sting match... why? what if he's just going to take a breather? there's no rule that says rollins has to stay in the ring in between.

>
>Well yeah. So why NOT take out HHH if the plan is that
>obvious?

Aitch comes out all alone in a full suit and tie and offers a handshake. Tell me, are you more afraid of Aitch attacking you or someone sneaking up behind you? It's the latter, of course, and Roman the character should know that from having been on the roster during the entire Authority era. Show or Kane or J&J or somebody is probably around the corner. That's what always happens.Just leave the ring without shaking his hand. Doesn't that send the same message AND prepare you better for a surprise attack?

  

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69. "Raw rating last night the lowest in 20 years."
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http://www.pwtorch.com/site/2015/11/24/1123-raw-tv-ratings-are-in-audience-rejects-post-ppv-show/

  

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73. "not enough. it can go lower."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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76. "wow, who knew a sheamus/roman wouldn't move the needle?"
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lolWWElol

  

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74. "Punk/Rollins vs Cesaro/Ohno coming to a dvd player near you"
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https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/3u45is/wwe_confirms_long_lost_punkrollins_vs_cesaroohno/

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78. "Austin SHREDDING Survivor Series on his podcast today"
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rips the current style of working and writing. And he's totally right.

  

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79. "I wonder if all these HOF wrestlers turning sour will make a differnce"
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I feel like Vince may not respect his writers and staff, but he respects Austin and Foley and these wrestlers who are publicly bashing the company. I wonder if this will get his ear.

  

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80. "And Austin is a pro's pro. If he's publicly saying it sucks then, well....."
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81. "RE: I wonder if all these HOF wrestlers turning sour will make a differn..."
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>I feel like Vince may not respect his writers and staff, but
>he respects Austin and Foley and these wrestlers who are
>publicly bashing the company. I wonder if this will get his
>ear.

They have to really understand 'why' something works when it works to understand why it doesn't when it doesn't. I deal with that at my gig all the time. People want the good stuff from before to happen without doing the hard work or the framework that went into making the good stuff possible. I think this is Vince's/WWE's biggest issue.

It is NOT a case of them all being clueless. I'm pretty sure HHH and Regal know enough to know that the product is lacking. NXT is proof that they can do wrestling 'right' per old folk standards.

It is possible that WWE has spread themselves too thin. NXT is good. The network as a whole is good. They are obviously recruiting 'good wrestlers who can work'. But it all falls apart on the main shows because they have yet to truly change the template to match the current situation. Saying 'go to twitta and talk about us' <> having a show that is worth talking about. Having 15-30 minutes of event-less talking to start most shows in 2015 when folks have entirely too many options is a joke.

They could also probably use a little well-done title hotshot era to TRY to make a few folks hotter. I'm not saying every week, but let's say 5 or 6 dudes get to be champ during a year for different amounts of time. As it stands, it is reasonably obvious that almost no one can be the main champ. That takes suspense out of almost all title matches. That has to be fixed. Even 80s Flair would throw in a 'lose to Ronnie Garvin' every now and then. Even 90s nWo Hogan would get beat every now and again. Now, if Cena or Brock have a belt they basically have to get shot and/or outrageously cheated to lose most of the time.

  

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82. "Foley's had "I'm not watching" rants before. They don't care what he say..."
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Maybe they'll care more about Austin but he's never afraid to be critical anyways, so who knows?

  

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85. "Their comments about the "This is Awesome" chant were fascinating..."
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I don't completely agree with them but I can't really argue with them either.

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87. "always a great show when wade keller's on.."
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whom i'd rather listen to than dave meltzer.

was a good listen on the long thanksgiving drive.

they particularly nailed it when they broke down the sasha banks vs. becky lynch match on RAW and the glaring mistake by wwe brass in failing to tell a story:

(paraphrasing)

banks used outside interference and pulled the tights for the pinfall. she blatantly CHEATED to get the win. michael cole didn't call it out --- either he missed it or is being instructed not to --- therefore it put no real heat on banks.

and instead of later on having becky lynch sell being pissed off about the way in which she lost, they had her fucking around backstage with the new day doing a youtube vid.


the "wrestlers letting the crowd work them instead of them working the crowd" now was pretty damning too. 50/50 club.

  

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83. "Man, the booking of the Wyatts looks like"
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hot garbage. On Smackdown (don't judge me, football has sucked all day), Stroman ans Roman against the Dudleys...lost by DQ when Harper gets involved. These monsters can't win any match clean?? they should be marching through teams, but they look like the Dungeon of Doom out there...so weak. I realize that they are heels and they cheat, but damn, can they beat someone without some BS?

I'm kind of a heel guy, but I like my heels a certain way...little guys cheat to win, monsters smash. They shouldn't be losing to teams in their 40's IMO.

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84. "It's the 50/50 club and everyone's a member"
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88. "Was offered free tickets to Raw in Pittsburgh tonight and passed"
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That's the state of Raw right now, I viewed it as having to sit through 4 hours of WWE and maybe being into 20 minutes total.

I'm going to Mania and I know that will be fun, but like I didn't even take free Raw tickets and I used to get so hyped for any show to come to town....says a lot.

  

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89. "going to Raw blows."
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You can hear crickets chirp by hour 3. So many commercial breaks and lame videos shown throughout the night. It's awful, you didn't miss anything.

  

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96. "I was at a Raw last year and was like damn this isn't fun anymore"
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I'll stick to major things. I like travelling for Mania b/c that is always a fun trip even for a bad Mania. When the Rumble or something similar is in town I go, but weekly TV shows and me are done as far as attending live.

I guess most things watching on TV has become better than the live experience so this shouldn't be that surprising.

  

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97. "RE: Was offered free tickets to Raw in Pittsburgh tonight and passed"
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>That's the state of Raw right now, I viewed it as having to
>sit through 4 hours of WWE and maybe being into 20 minutes
>total.
>
>I'm going to Mania and I know that will be fun, but like I
>didn't even take free Raw tickets and I used to get so hyped
>for any show to come to town....says a lot.

Yeah...at this point, if it's not nxt or a ppv, I ain't interested in seeing a wwe show live. It always tends to turn out okay because it's even more 'physically impressive' in person. But still..the roster is basically cut down with injuries and inactivity (looks at Brock) and the writing is all but ruining errbody who is on the show.

Del Rio's finisher is the worst thing going.

Jimavel

  

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100. "The Superman punch begs to differ"
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>
>Del Rio's finisher is the worst thing going.
>

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103. "RE: The Superman punch begs to differ"
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>
>>
>>Del Rio's finisher is the worst thing going.
>>
>
>

It's cheesy but at least it's a strike that folks can eat to make look okay if they choose to. He can also spam it and get two or three. I get that folks hate the guy and won't let it go like them cats with the sheets and the flag still hate jiggas. But cmon now, that stomp? Dude is holding a title and he's a part of the super duper foreign heel force.

Watching folks have to lamely get themselves into position for that that turnbuckle stomp is a mess. Goldy deserves better.

  

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90. "Dreamer's cool, but..."
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it should have been New Jack

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91. "*Shrug* is my reaction to this kind of stuff"
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Dreamer is cool, ECW is cool, but *Shrug*

Stop rolling out people I cheered for 20 years ago as the only way to get me excited. In the end it's not a long term move and isn't even all that great of a short one.

  

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92. "Basically..."
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the only reason I'm watching is because Ravens /Browns is the other viable option

and why bring him in for a 30 second "no contest"

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93. "Set up for TLC"
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94. "Can't wait *eyeroll*"
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95. "yeah I'm tapping out"
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>the only reason I'm watching is because Ravens /Browns is the
>other viable option
>

I'm gonna catch up on Breaking Ground instead. I see no reason to keep doing this to myself.

  

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98. "New Jack? Nah. Raven would have been perfect. "
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99. "New Jack's schtick was coming out "
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with the trash can of weapons. IMO, Raven would do well with the Wyatts

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101. "Based on recaps, I am not sorry to miss tonight's episode."
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102. "With few exceptions, whatever you did"
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was time better spent.

VERY BAD

Without question, my highlight was Team B.A.D. gracing us with their presence, so...yeah.

Bad.

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104. "Predict the road to Mania here..."
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I'm thinking Sheamus will retain at TLC and subsequently lose the belt at the Rumble to.... Lesnar.

Guess who wins the Rumble?

Yup, I'm predicting Reigns vs Brock 2 with Reigns going over. Unless the people react just as badly as they did last time.

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105. "I predict the road will be boring, uninspired, and ignorant to the fans"
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Desires.

This prediction will unfortunately come true.

  

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106. "I would guess something like"
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- Taker/Cena
- Reigns/Lesnar
- Triple H/ who cares
- Jericho/Ambrose
- Sheamus/Daniel Bryan

A great match they should make but aren't smart enough to know they should make is New Day vs Wyatts. (come on, Big E vs Stroman?)

Not a bad card on paper, but predictable. And, assuming that's probably the best card they can make, is that going to sell out 100,000 seats?
I know they hate Daniel Bryan, but he'd certainly help so that's why I included him - they're going to need all the help they can get given the size of that building and the lukewarm feeling hovering above the company right now. I could see them bringing in types like Rey Mysterio and RVD too, along with a presumably returning Chris Jericho (zzz).

  

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107. "A not cut of the mill path:"
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Reigns vs Cena - returning Cena wins the Rumble, Reigns wins the title at the Rumble
Taker vs Kane - retirement match for them both
KO vs Lesnar- probably won't happen but wouldn't this be a dream match? Lesnar vs Lesnar light


I'd LOVE to see Taker win the rumble, win the belt at Mania and then retire as champ, but I don't think they'll want another vacant belt so soon.

  

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108. "I'm thinking they do Reigns/HHH"
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I just hope it's not for the title.

Double points if the stipulation is if HHH loses The Authority is gone, and then if Roman loses he's not allowed a WWE Title shot ever again or something. Reigns goes over, Authority is gone (for realz this time, not gone for a month a la Survivor Series 2014).

I really have no idea where they are going with the title, but I'd guess Cena is going to be involved somehow since they literally have no healthy main event guys besides him and Lesnar.

They are trying to put 100K people into Cowboy Stadium, they are trying to sell tickets with marquee matches rather than doing shit that betters themselves for the future. So I expect Taker, Sting, HHH, etc to all be on the card in some fashion.

10000-1 odds for the CM Punk's leaving was a work and is coming back at the Rumble to challenge Triple H at WM or something scenario.

  

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109. "Ugh what if they go full Bryan with him"
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He is basically already repeating that storyline

Billing him as an underdog who can't win the big one for some reason

Authority hates him

Wins the title but Authority helps someone cash in to take the title

Can you imagine if at Mania he had to fight HHH and if he wins that he gets a title shot that night

I'll vomit

  

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110. "I feel like they're both trying to copy themselves AND make it original."
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but really it's just treading water. And Reigns as underdog doesn't make all that much sense, at least as currently constructed.

  

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111. "During the PPV they kept selling how he could never win"
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And it was annoying because he had only ever had 1 title shot.

  

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112. "there was the fatal 4-way as well"
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and i guess they're counting the MITB match as an "opportunity" which makes some sense, but yeah, the underdog role doesn't really work here. especially where the authority hasn't really been having people intervene recently (obviously it looks like that'll change with the league of nations in action).

  

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113. "Yeah the "underdog" that hasn't been pinned clean in like 2 years"
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114. "Ever*?"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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115. "Someone made a Reddit post about it"
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Went back 2 years and he had never actually been pinned without some interference or shady stuff going down.

  

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116. "I'm sure Fandango or Tyler Breeze will put an end to that. "
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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117. "How are NXT's backstage segments so much better than WWE's?"
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Aren't these supposed to be the guys and gals who are still figuring out their characters? The backstage stuff just comes across so much more crisp and fun than the main roster's. There are so many main roster wrestlers who I couldn't tell you what their character REALLY is if my life depended on it. Even ones who have been around for years. NXT, on the other hand, makes every character clear.

  

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118. "Motivation. That's what is missing from most WWE characters"
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If it's not "doing what's best for business" or "taking out the authority" nobody has any motivation whatsoever.

That, and every WWE promo is basically just the person recapping what happened the last few weeks of whatever "storyline" they are part of.

  

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121. "Because they don't have a senile control freak with archaic "
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sensibilities that are somehow spliced with the sensibilities of an 8 year old boy pulling their puppet strings at every turn.

Yeah I think that about sums it up.

  

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119. "Impromptu 16-man elimination match to start RAW? What in the..."
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120. "they have no more ideas"
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raw after mania they just need to do a hard reset on their whole creative direction. dead the authority first of all.

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122. "Woo fucking hoo. It's Gang Warz all over again. "
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May as well trot out Los Boriquas, D.O.A, N.O.D, and the Truth Comission while they're at it.

  

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125. "I loved that the Wyatts came out and Rhyno was an excellent surprise..."
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Can't be mad at that brawl at the end either.

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123. "Breeze vs Ziggler? Finally!"
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nevermind, he's just there to distract

  

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124. "how the FUCK can Dreamer get cleared for action but DBry cant"
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they said the holdup is all about the concussion shit. SO WHAT THE FUCK IS THE DEAL. get every 40+ nigga on this shit off my TV.

except R-Truth. he can stay. i have always loved his intro.

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126. "We know this shit trash but we don't know how to fix it - HHH (swipe)"
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man you'd think this shit is nuclear physics and not wrestling the way they struggle with it.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/650785-triple-h-addresses-fan-frustration-with-the-current-wwe-product-explains-why-talents-like-finn-balor-are-not-on-the-main-roster-more

On fan frustration with the current WWE TV product:

“We just have to become more disciplined and more Creative with how we do things, and how we operate the shows. We’ve had some unfortunate situations with injuries and everything else. It’s on us to be more creative and come up with a better format; a better show. We hear people’s frustrations and in a lot of ways feel the same way. It’s fixing it. And, trying to fix it. It is what it is. How we fix it, we’re not 100 percent sure yet. But, we will get there. Trust me.”

WZ Daily host Nick Hausman asked Hunter why talents like Finn Balor have yet to be called up to the main WWE roster, and Triple H responded with the following:

“The thing that I hate doing is, ‘Well, there’s a lot of injuries right now, so we’re going to pull this guy up,’ but then the injured guys will come back and then we’re not sure what we’ll do – now we have too many guys for the space.

I hate taking a guy as talented as Finn Balor and saying, ‘You’re the band-aid to hold us over until all these other guys come back and then we’ll see from there.’ If we don’t have that gameplan for when we call these guys up, especially for a Finn Balor, then it’s not the right time. You need to have something in your mind, and hopefully a long-term plan in place that gets them to where you want them to be. At least that would be the goal for me when guys come up.”

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127. "Really bizarre statements..."
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NXT's popularity proves that people like wrestling matches, women can be a much bigger draw than WWE ever gave credit for, and that fans are excited for new talent.

When Hunter actively prepares one show (NXT) that highlights these points and then another show (RAW) that contradicts them all, his confusion and uncertainty don't really make sense.

I appreciate there's a lot of flaws in the above logic in that there are way more millions of people watching RAW than NXT so it shouldn't specifically be their blueprint.

WWE were such huge proponents for social media - they saw it as a hugely valuable tool to get their message out but wanted to use it as a megaphone instead of a 2-way line. They never saw the value in listening to what people actually thought.

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128. "I love this point"
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>
>WWE were such huge proponents for social media - they saw it
>as a hugely valuable tool to get their message out but wanted
>to use it as a megaphone instead of a 2-way line. They never
>saw the value in listening to what people actually thought.

They push social media SO hard but the only time they want to hear from us on it is when we can pick between No-DQ, No Holds Barred, or No rules as the stipulation for tonight's main event.

  

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138. "RE: I love this point"
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I can't think of what goes into writing that many hours of storylines every week or what goes in to the decision-making process of which wrestler to push etc, but to me, half the job is done for them when stadiums of people are screaming for one person's name throughout an entire PPV (Daniel Bryan) and they're not even there.

Zach Ryder is the one guy who truly went out there and grabbed "the brass ring" and he's currently trying to get a tag team off the ground in NXT. That's weird to me.

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129. "Great point about their use of social..."
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...and do you guys think he's possibly implying that he knows how to run a show now and Vince doesn't anymore?

I mean the proof is right there in the pudding.

  

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130. "Vince is a control freak who can't accept being wrong"
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The problem is, outside of coming up with Hulkamania/WrestleMania, nothing that was 100% his (or his idea) has been successful. Let's discuss the following wrestler's Vince tried to build as "the guy" but ultimately failed:

* Diesel. Never caught on and eventually Vince had to drop the title back to Bret
* Luger. LOL, need we go into this? Again, Vince had to let Bret run with it
* Lashley. Had him become the "face" of the ECW brand when the entire WWE universe and the crowd at the December to Dismember PPV wanted Punk. This resulted in Heyman quitting the company and several other wrestlers asking for their release.
* Reigns

To fill in the gaps with the stars who Vince would like you to think were his creation:
* Stone Cold was mix of Austin finding the character and the crowd organically getting behind him. Not Vince's create
* Same goes for The Rock
* Cena? That was Stephanie urging him to take his freestyle rapping backstage and turn it into a character. When did Cena become stale and hated for the wrong reasons? When Vince turned him into Super Cena.

Anybody who organically gets over, without Vince's permission or in spite of Vince's other pet projects, they get cooled off one way or another (jobbed out, put into meaningless fueds or taken off TV entirely) while he continues to try and push his latest musclely monster. He'd rather have his idea fail than somebody else's make him tons of fucking money.

  

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131. "Vince is a business man, not an idea man"
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He totally deserves the credit for turning the WWF/E into a worldwide power, he made those moves.

But yea as an idea man he hit a goldmine in Hulk Hogan, the right time and the perfect mix of muscle monster combined with charisma.

Like you said all the other huge success stories have come straight from the wrestlers own talent getting them over. There was certainly good booking and writing going on that kept stories and characters compelling - a major missing piece now.

As much as Vince likes to avoid listening to the audience now, he used to do it and that's the huge difference. His creativity and ideas were never that needed when he was willing to let people naturally rise to the top.

  

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132. "yeah, mick foley said on austin's podcast last week that.."
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he's offered creative advice to stamford on three separate occasions, and that they've repeatedly told him, "no thanks."

helmsley might want the vets to think he's inherently "one of the boys" still, but he, along with the company's c-level/senior level reporting up to vince, seems to be hugely insular to any creative ideas not conceived internally.


>When Hunter actively prepares one show (NXT) that highlights
>these points and then another show (RAW) that contradicts them
>all, his confusion and uncertainty don't really make sense.

  

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134. "I think Hunter gets wrestling and knows how to get guys over"
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He's just painted in a corner for the foreseeable future

  

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135. "I feel like people underrate how good he actually was"
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The major view of his career will be how he buried a ton of wrestlers, but I think people forget that he really was great.

Whether a face or a heel he absolutely understood what to do and say to get the maximum reaction from any crowd. He had the ability to carry long matches and make plenty of wrestlers look better than they were.

I also don't know how much of the HHH burying everyone stories really are all about him or if knowing what we know about Vince now he saw HHH as that guy and never wanted to let him lose- though being married to his daughter certainly influenced that in some way.

It's also worth mentioning that in an era when everyone was trying to spin their star power into something more, he was 100% about the business and nothing else.

Basically I think HHH loves the business more than any star of the past 20 or 30 years and despite all the knocks on him always got it.

  

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136. "Agreed."
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>Whether a face or a heel he absolutely understood what to do
>and say to get the maximum reaction from any crowd. He had the
>ability to carry long matches and make plenty of wrestlers
>look better than they were.

  

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137. "nah you just gotta acknowledge him with the proper context"
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the best credit you can give him is that he was a solid foil for the true GOATs. and i will agree that he does love the business, but he doesn't have any other choice but to. that boy aint have the juice to do it. wasn't nobody trying to see HHH on SNL or in a movie

niggas used to dread them 20 minute meandering promos at the start of Raw. "i am the gaaaaaaaaame uhhh" fuck off HHH.

niggas know he was catching a lot of unjustified Ws and title reigns just because of who he was porking. his shit is just flaw all around man.

he will never be on the GOAT tier or even second tier. 3rd tier is where he resides. and that's a FINE career for him. and he/they cannot revise that no matter how much they try.

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160. "RE: nah you just gotta acknowledge him with the proper context"
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>the best credit you can give him is that he was a solid foil
>for the true GOATs. and i will agree that he does love the
>business, but he doesn't have any other choice but to. that
>boy aint have the juice to do it. wasn't nobody trying to see
>HHH on SNL or in a movie
>
>niggas used to dread them 20 minute meandering promos at the
>start of Raw. "i am the gaaaaaaaaame uhhh" fuck off HHH.
>
>niggas know he was catching a lot of unjustified Ws and title
>reigns just because of who he was porking. his shit is just
>flaw all around man.
>
>he will never be on the GOAT tier or even second tier. 3rd
>tier is where he resides. and that's a FINE career for him.
>and he/they cannot revise that no matter how much they try.

all of this. HHH's "greatness" is largely due to his own overexposure. like, it seemed like he was the only thing on after austin and rock bounced.

i can't remember a great HHH match (c) bret hart

  

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162. "HHH suffers from a lack of great rivals"
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He had great feuds but people view his greatest rival as The Rock who would call Austin his greatest rival.

WWE's inability to build more stars was an issue for sure, and he gets shit for holding guys like RVD and Booker down, but RVD was never good enough to be true top tier and Booker was good but also not top tier in my opinion.

Even Cena in his era of domination had Edge for a while and Orton (as boring as that got)

Imagine Austin with 0 Rock matches and it's a different world. He'd still be at the top tier, but having that rivalry really pushed both of them over the top. all of the GOATs also had a GOAT level rivalry. HHH never did.

When I look back at HHH and that era when he was on TV non stop I can't really think of a memorable rival that really mattered other than HBK well past his prime who was really just being used to elevate HHH.

  

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167. "Foley..."
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But his style caught up to him big-time before him and HHH could really build a full 'thing' together. And beating the hell out of Mick didn't make Haitch special since Rock and Taker did it in more 'iconic' ways while Hunter tried to be decent about it and...you know...not kill the man.

I kinda buy HBK's take..HHH's greatness is based more on 'loving it enough to stay even with the BS stacking up' than any isolated greatness. He was put in some grand spots at times. But just like any other WWE main eventer, you got stuck with some toads who couldn't work too.

In a vacuum, he's pretty much the B+ player he describes on a regular with a reasonably solid health history, good size, and grand choice in the chick and 'staying off of the stuff' departments. No...not that stuff. He was probably on that a lot. I'm talking the rec drugs.

>He had great feuds but people view his greatest rival as The
>Rock who would call Austin his greatest rival.
>
>WWE's inability to build more stars was an issue for sure, and
>he gets shit for holding guys like RVD and Booker down, but
>RVD was never good enough to be true top tier and Booker was
>good but also not top tier in my opinion.
>
>Even Cena in his era of domination had Edge for a while and
>Orton (as boring as that got)
>
>Imagine Austin with 0 Rock matches and it's a different world.
>He'd still be at the top tier, but having that rivalry really
>pushed both of them over the top. all of the GOATs also had a
>GOAT level rivalry. HHH never did.
>
>When I look back at HHH and that era when he was on TV non
>stop I can't really think of a memorable rival that really
>mattered other than HBK well past his prime who was really
>just being used to elevate HHH.

  

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139. "RE: yeah, mick foley said on austin's podcast last week that.."
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His comments though about bringing Balor up from NXT to help tide things over isn't the problem - what about the currently under-used guys on the roster who are missing opportunities. Like I've said before, when arenas are screaming for Cesaro and Ziggler, then why aren't they given that?

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133. "the social media thing boggles my mind"
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it's so much you can do with that from a story perspective.

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140. "Lucha Underground Season 2 Trailer!!!! (returns Jan 27)"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOaZ2tbDhis

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141. "head and shoulders above everyone else right now"
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can't wait.

  

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149. "RE: Lucha Underground Season 2 Trailer!!!! (returns Jan 27)"
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOaZ2tbDhis

They have a list of things that WWE is bad at. They spend the whole time trying to nail that stuff. And they do with regularity.

And Prince Puma/Ricochet is THE shit.

  

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142. "Network crashing is EXACTLY what WWE needs tonight"
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143. "I already hate this, this is why WWE is garbage"
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You put one of your brightest stars on the pre show in her hometown.

THEN you have her and her stable sing an awful awful awful 12 days of Xmas parody that is in the top 10 worst things I've seen WWE do in terms of just all around awfulness.

THEN you go to commercial mid match ON THE NETWORK and advertise THE NETWORK!

I guess if we wanted them to treat the women more like the men we got it.

  

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144. "I wish they'd do a reboot on the Divas Revolution"
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change it to the WOMENS championship, get some new writers, and assign them to just the womens division. Make it work. You have all the talent in the world. There's no excuse for this much garbage.

  

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145. "RE: I wish they'd do a reboot on the Divas Revolution"
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You can't expect them to care about this division when they treat the entire show and roster like garbage they don't care about.

  

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146. "WWE has always been able to nail tag ladder matches"
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That Kalisto move off of the ladder was next level.

  

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147. "Followed by Ryback vs Rusev. Classic"
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148. "I'm enjoying Rusev and Lana quite a bit lately"
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150. "RE: WWE has always been able to nail tag ladder matches"
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>That Kalisto move off of the ladder was next level.

Most of the wrestling is on the money.

And even with the injuries, the roster has a gang of folks. I watched TNA a month ago during the 'point system-style' title tourney with brackets and they were making things work with like no one on the roster. They went with 'cut the crap and bring the wrestling, make it matter, and go from there'.

WWE is just screwing the pooch like nobody's business on the 'other' stuff. They can't figure out how to make folks or matches seem important. They do it in NXT, but that's mostly because they put the audience in a zone and manage to not ruin it 10x a show. The main show just had Cole hollering to try to make things seem important. And we're all done with Cole and have been FOREVER.

We get stuck wanting them to 'shock' us cuz the folks they are spotlighting aren't over.

  

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151. "Yikes, that tables match was a mess."
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Really all I can say about that. It was ugly.

  

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152. "Hoss fight jumpin off..."
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I know Sheamus is a shade warmer than ice cold, but you know him and Super Uso are gonna beat each other down.

Jimaveli

>The last post was over 300 strong, so it's about time for a
>new one.
>
>A legend had left us, the Great Nick Bockwinel
>
>http://www.caulifloweralleyclub.org/rip-nick-bockwinkel/
>
>It is with a heavy heart the Cauliflower Alley Club announces
>that “The Greatest AWA World Champion of All Time” and
>former CAC President and WWE Hall Of Famer, Nicholas
>“Nick” Bockwinkel, passed away Saturday night at approx.
>8:40 pm due to health issues.
>
>We will have more on this later Sunday afternoon.
>
>**EDIT** A couple of promos
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBVTkqzG58
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrHM4NgQz5Q
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxV77nAuAQ8

  

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157. "RE: Hoss fight jumpin off..."
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Credit to them both - they must be super human to take that kind of punishment.

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153. "Operation: Get Roman Over..."
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Ulimate Uso? Super Uso? Ultra Uso?

HHH jumped into chairshots like Billy Gunn, Ziggla, HBK, and Benoit combined. And he didn't waste time trying to get heat back. He just ate move after move after move. It's just unfortunate that he's basically the top heel right now without even playing a straight ahead heel. That says much more about the how the other cats are booked than anything else.

BTW...where the hell was Barrett at the end?

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>The last post was over 300 strong, so it's about time for a
>new one.
>
>A legend had left us, the Great Nick Bockwinel
>
>http://www.caulifloweralleyclub.org/rip-nick-bockwinkel/
>
>It is with a heavy heart the Cauliflower Alley Club announces
>that “The Greatest AWA World Champion of All Time” and
>former CAC President and WWE Hall Of Famer, Nicholas
>“Nick” Bockwinkel, passed away Saturday night at approx.
>8:40 pm due to health issues.
>
>We will have more on this later Sunday afternoon.
>
>**EDIT** A couple of promos
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBVTkqzG58
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrHM4NgQz5Q
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxV77nAuAQ8

  

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154. "I didn't watch a minute of this, forgot all about it. "
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Was the show any good

  

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155. "Sheamus vs Reigns was essential viewing IMO..."
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Can't remember the last time I saw a match as brutal as that. Some of those spots and chair shots were beyond vicious.

Reigns' breakdown at the end was insane. The last 10 minutes were amazing!!

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158. "Story Wise not really, but the wrestlers put on a great show"
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In the end, not much progressed in any angles.

Roman is a bit more of a bad ass
Charlotte is confusingly being booked as a heel and a face
Ambrose gets another belt

But for the most parts all the feuds will continue and probably all of the winners will lose on Raw tonight.

There were good matches though, the tag match was fantastic. Swagger and Del Rio went hard in a match nobody cared about. Roman and Sheamus put on a good match.

Basically the wrestlers all worked really hard to make a not important show as good as possible

  

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159. "so basically "50/50 booking" continued?"
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sounds like i didn't miss much by not having the wwe network for some months now.

  

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161. "Depends what you use the network for, I still find it a good value"
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I like the shows they have added like Breaking Ground and Ride Along.

I like to go back and watch old Raws from 98-2002 and if I can catch an occasional big show like the Rumble and Mania it's worth the $10 a month. I use it as much as things like Netflix and Hulu.

  

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164. "RE: Depends what you use the network for, I still find it a good value"
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>I like the shows they have added like Breaking Ground and
>Ride Along.
>
>I like to go back and watch old Raws from 98-2002 and if I can
>catch an occasional big show like the Rumble and Mania it's
>worth the $10 a month. I use it as much as things like Netflix
>and Hulu.

yeah, i felt like i got what i needed from it after watching soooo many of the old PPV's from about '90-'93 and then the attitude era. so i unsubscribed.

if i remember correctly, they'd started to add a bunch of old RAW episodes after going so long with only a few from the attitude era. hell even the watching the old RAW's when they only broadcast from NYC with macho, heenan and vince on the stick is super entertaining.

  

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166. "funny thing about the 50/50 booking"
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i know everybody hasnt checked out lucha underground but they basically 50/50 booking when you look at the records (saw a breakdown on reddit).

the difference is they do it in streaks so you can destroy/rebuild a character effectively.

theres a lot of ways to effectively book but i just thought that was an interesting way to make 50/50 work.

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163. "RE: I didn't watch a minute of this, forgot all about it. "
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>Was the show any good

The wrestling was really good for the most part. The hosses hossed. New Day Rox. The tag match was grand. Only the Wyatt thing was zone out bad..it just took them too long to get rid of those old ass dudes. They missed another shot to show the Wyatt crew off as something to be thought of as a 'real threat'. They are basically King Kong Bundy with much more talking.

Sheamus and Reigns need an Hbk greatest hits viewing so they can learn how to get more out of their holy shit spots. Until then, they're just gonna beat each other the hell up. My All Japan memories scare me on that stuff. Also, looking at a lot of how Indy darlings run out of gas after eating video game powerbombs, attempted murder drivers, and Brock-ish suplexes in front on 147 people makes me want the hosses to slow down a little and hbk it up some. Give me some 'ouch' faces and some 'whooo...I'm soooo hurt! And tired!' Selling in between table spots.

The key is the ending. They could be onto something if they take it to a good place. They're clearly going all out to get Super Uso 'there'. And what do you know...there's HHH showing a gang of ass again..getting beat the hell down to try to get something over.

  

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156. "I don't know where they're going with that..."
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But I LOVED the ending. Reigns's crazy eye look was perfect. The final spear to HHH on the outside was jaw-dropping. Refs and announcers were looking at Reigns like he was genuinely insane.

I'd give anything to be in attendance at RAW just to hear the reaction Reigns gets. Don't know where they're going with that but... wow!!

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165. "I mean, I guess I'll give Raw a shot tonight."
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I don't want to just abandon all hope, but they're making it real difficult.

  

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168. "So they follow what many have said was a pretty good TLC PPV"
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with Bo Dallas vs R-Truth?? SMH

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169. "Sigh."
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170. "Double sigh"
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171. "Double sigh"
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172. "lmfaoooooooooo "
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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173. "Thing is, this wasn't that bad"
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I didn't watch, so I'm doing a box score opinion here, but we all knew he was winning the belt eventually right? And we all knew he was going to do it in a lame overcoming the odds story right?

So now he's done it, and to make it better he did it on Raw, something nobody actually thought would happen. Hell I didn't even stay up to watch it. Anything to shake Raw up a bit is good with me, when was the last legit world title change on raw anyway? Has to be years.

  

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174. "It just came off as a last minute, thrown together thing"
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McMahon shows up out of nowhere, gives Reigns a title shot, threatens to fire him if he loses (like that was gonna happen) and he wins the belt. It was like VKM woke up monday morning, saw the PPV results, and said "screw this, you're killing my product...I'm taking over right now". I agree this was the eventual result, but the way it got there doesn't feel right IMO.

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175. "Yeah, all of that."
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176. "That's probably literally what happened, but I'm still ok with it"
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Vince probably realized the only way Reigns was getting over was the Stone Cold route of beating him up, so he pulled the trigger quick.

I think it also was the only way to guarantee it would work. Avoid a smarky PPV crowd and get Raw fans excited at a world title change that none of them ever thought would happen when showing up at the arena. Now you have your coronation with an excited crowd and all of the images you need for video packages in the future.

I'm not calling this the best move WWE has ever made, but they polished the turd they gave themselves as well as possible.

  

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179. "i'm wondering if vince called it on the fly during the show. nm"
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180. "I had the same thought"
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Like he knew he'd come out and schedule the match and basically if it seems Reigns was getting the huge face pop give him the win and if it still wasn't working don't give him the belt and then try the classic fired wrestler earning his way back storyline.

  

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177. "The main thing I'm pissed off about with all of the recent Roman stuff"
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Is McMahon on the Stone Cold podcast saying these damn millennials need to grab the brass ring, yet if he put 1/10th of the effort into guys like Cesaro they'd be 10X more over than Roman is now. Like, congratulations, you FINALLY got a crowd to pop for Roman, but you could have already had this if you took a guy fans were telling you they already liked and ran with that.

  

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178. "wwe pumping crowd noise into the arena to get reigns over? LOL"
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at least that's what the wrestling observer raw report is saying.

i only watched the first 30 minutes on dvr, so i didn't see the main event. reigns did get a surprisingly big pop when he appeared for his promo. i think philly's a smark stronghold, so it was bizarre to hear.

if those were real boos for kevin owens, that kid is drawing heat like you're supposed to, mayne. i mean, dude did a run-in (more like walking) to the ring with NO THEME MUSIC, squashed the two babyfaces, and left.

  

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181. "NXT: London"
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So TLC was bookended with very decent bouts (shout out Kalisto and Jey for bump of the year), but the middle sucked pretty hard for me. Skipped a lot.

The REAL draw is tonight... got tickets in the bag, first time I've been to a live event since I was a kid. NXT was too good to miss at the moment... even the lady's kind of hyped.

Card:

NXT Championship Match:

-Finn Bálor (c) vs. Samoa Joe

NXT Women’s Championship Match:

-Bayley (c) vs. Nia Jax

NXT Tag Team Championship Match:

-Dash & Dawson (c) vs. Enzo Amore & Colin Cassady

-Apollo Crews vs. Baron Corbin

-Asuka vs. Emma

Thoughts/Predictions?

I think Balor wins (can't see him dropping the strap in the UK tbh... especially when the BBC ran a documentary this week on his time in Japan)

Bayley retains after a couple of failed attempts at the Bayley to Belly, finally slamming Nia Hulk/Andre style... or possible Nia DQ.

Enzo and Cass have to take the tag straps after their promo last week, right? I won't be mad if they don't (Dash and Dawson are exactly the sort of Brain Busters inspired tag heels WWE need), but I'm not sure where they'll go if not.

Crews goes over Corbin in a hossfest. Expecting some big hits.

Emma to run Asuka close, but Asuka to get the win... unless there's some Dana interference setting up the eventual handicap finale.

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182. "RE: NXT: London"
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>So TLC was bookended with very decent bouts (shout out
>Kalisto and Jey for bump of the year), but the middle sucked
>pretty hard for me. Skipped a lot.
>

Watching Reigns for the wrestling is a rewarding thing. He's a big strong kid who is visibly 'athletic' and can do some fun stuff. He takes shots and gives them out. Aka solid hossery. His horrid booking and rough mic-work don't ruin that for me. Someone watched a Shield DVD and realized that the kid is at his best when he's intensely blowing stuff up.

>The REAL draw is tonight... got tickets in the bag, first time
>I've been to a live event since I was a kid. NXT was too good
>to miss at the moment... even the lady's kind of hyped.

Enjoy the show! My next scheduled live show is Mania in Dallas. I'd like to catch NXT at some point while it is still a great little thing that folks love.

Predictions? This is just another good NXT card. The wrestling is gonna be on too because NXT.

- Joe and Finn kill it. Demon Finn = SNK Boss status so it is auto-win if he breaks it out. But they'll make it close to make Joe look great. I was scurred for a minute, but Joe looks like he wants to be there right now.
- Bayley is my dog. I like her and Sami like the biggest marks like Daniel Bryan. IE: I care if she wins or not. Even this mini battle with Nia is gonna work on me. Bayley will sell the danger because she's lady Sami Zayn. Nia will benefit because she's big enough for folks to buy it. Everyone wins.
- Realest Guys all the way. They're both healthy. It is on.
- Apollo and Baron will be the sneaky good match aka the Tyler Breeze match of the show. Apollo ain't losing though. He's Super Mario with a star and no pits status right now. He's borderline P-Wing, but not quite. And yes, they're gonna give us some 'movez' and reversals.
- Asuka has been handled well. The mood changes and 'trust us, these strikes hurt/kill' build is good stuff for me. She's winning unless there's heavy shenanigans.

>
>Card:
>
>NXT Championship Match:
>
>-Finn Bálor (c) vs. Samoa Joe
>
>NXT Women’s Championship Match:
>
>-Bayley (c) vs. Nia Jax
>
>NXT Tag Team Championship Match:
>
>-Dash & Dawson (c) vs. Enzo Amore & Colin Cassady
>
>-Apollo Crews vs. Baron Corbin
>
>-Asuka vs. Emma
>
>Thoughts/Predictions?
>
>I think Balor wins (can't see him dropping the strap in the UK
>tbh... especially when the BBC ran a documentary this week on
>his time in Japan)
>
>Bayley retains after a couple of failed attempts at the Bayley
>to Belly, finally slamming Nia Hulk/Andre style... or possible
>Nia DQ.
>
>Enzo and Cass have to take the tag straps after their promo
>last week, right? I won't be mad if they don't (Dash and
>Dawson are exactly the sort of Brain Busters inspired tag
>heels WWE need), but I'm not sure where they'll go if not.
>
>Crews goes over Corbin in a hossfest. Expecting some big
>hits.
>
>Emma to run Asuka close, but Asuka to get the win... unless
>there's some Dana interference setting up the eventual
>handicap finale.

  

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183. "Ugh I hate the "THIS IS WRESTLING" chants"
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No shit this is wrestling, what were you expecting when you bought tickets to a wrestling show?

  

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184. "I think you're missing the point of that chant."
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It's a reaction to the overemphasis of "sports entertainment".

The same as the "women's wrestling" chants being a reaction to the divas bullshit.

  

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189. "I have been getting annoyed with the NXT crowds lately though"
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I get the point of those chants, but the message has been received. WWE is struggling with what to do with that message, but it's clear they know the issues. Plus, NXT is about as big as it could be while still being somewhat underground, so the "movement" towards real wrestlers is effectively over. WWE knows how big a deal this is. I mean I'll complain and play armchair booker with the rest of ya, but when you're actually going to the shows what's the point of these chants*? They're selling out arenas and going overseas. There's nothing else to prove.

*it's more that these chants are every 5 seconds. the chants themselves are pretty harmless, but if they all boil down to "Fuck Vince" then there's not much of a point to it anymore.

  

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193. "I'm becoming a fan of fans shutting the fuck up"
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And I ride shotty with you and Oak on that front.

I do think there's a distinction from chant to chant though and if all we got was "this is wrestling" and "women's wrestling", they'd be great.

And frankly, I don't think WWE- ahem, Vince and that fucker Dumbfuck Duncecap Dunn- actually DO get the message.

I just don't think these two issues are mutually exclusive.

Most of the chants need to fucking GO. These idiots are making it difficult to really get into the match sometimes. I just think this particular chant, on its own merits, is worthwhile and has a few benefits attached. Taken a sea of the rest of the masturbatory garbage we get, yeah. I agree with you and Oak in that context.

  

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194. "THIS IS AWESOME needs to be retired ASAP"
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Chants should be unique to the wrestlers in the match (this NXT crowd has some good ones, the Enzo Amore in the theme of "Seven Nation Army" and "Crews there it is!" were great), but for the love of god, do NOT chant for somebody NOT in the match.

  

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197. "THIS IS AWESOMEis fine. It just needs smarter fans to chant"
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I've seen too many THIS IS AWESOME chants in response to garden variety moments.

Oh, someone went through a table?

Meh.

Smarter fans- actual smart fans who have a reasonable understanding of how and why pro wrestling works, not guys that just keep up on behind the scenes gossip and regurgitate the opinions of the Mark Maddens of the world- would have the restraint it takes to make that an effective chant.

So, I suppose it should be retired if only because those fans are much further and fewer in between than the apes that currently chant that nonsense at every turn.

Agreed on the character centric chants, though I think this is usually a fail with heels.

NOBODY should be cheering Kevin Owens, especially his rabid fans. When I want to reward a good heel that I like, I boo him relentless and say every foul thing short of insulting his mama, because that's what they're working for. These idiots who cheer him are too busy trying to be "in the know" to realize they're cutting his balls off.

The Sheamus "you look stupid" nonsense is another masturbatory chant IMO.

  

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201. "Yeah but he did looking fucking stupid lol"
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And Sheamus is good enough to play off of it and retaliate against the audience.

>The Sheamus "you look stupid" nonsense is another masturbatory
>chant IMO.

  

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202. "I think Sheamus has shown himself to be fairly savvy"
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Particularly with that move where he beats the dogshit out of his opponents chest on the ring apron.

As soon as the crowd gets into the chant he stops. I love that shit. I don't think he's flipped the you look stupid chant all that well but it hasn't been a disaster or anything.

Also I thought that was a dope look. It's got a warrior vibe.

At any rate he's one of the very best workers in the company IMO and they've fucked him up in ways I'm not sure they're creatively capable of salvaging in any meaningful way. As it stands he's my pick for Brock at Mania if they want a match that will have people buzzing years from now but that won't happen and if even if it did they'd make him yet another Kenny Wangler to Brock's Adibisi.

  

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203. "He's proven to be fairly savvy in certain respects"
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Particularly with that move where he beats the dogshit out of his opponents chest on the ring apron.

As soon as the crowd gets into the chant he stops. I love that shit. I don't think he's flipped the you look stupid chant all that well but it hasn't been a disaster or anything.

As an aside, Orton and Owens are masterful in that regard.

Also I thought that was a dope look. It's got a warrior vibe.

At any rate he's one of the very best workers in the company IMO and they've fucked him up in ways I'm not sure they're creatively capable of salvaging in any meaningful way. As it stands he's my pick for Brock at Mania if they want a match that will have people buzzing years from now but that won't happen and if even if it did they'd just fuck it up and make him yet another Kenny Wangler to Brock's Adibisi instead of giving us the MegaHoss fapfest it should and would be without interference.

  

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198. "agreed, "this is wrestling" is the least bad of all offenders"
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I'm fine with chanting a lot if it arises naturally. A really live crowd can chant all the time and it adds to the show rather than detracting. I've been a part of those crowds and it's SO much fun. It just seems forced most of the time now, especially when it's a small crowd that knows it's being televised. Mostly it reinforces bad habits for more laid back shows.

Told this story before, but I was at an Evolve show recently. It was a small room that had a nice crowd that wasn't too rowdy. The problem is there were 3 dudes next to me who thought that every show needs to be like Full Sail. Only one of their chants took off (they were quite literally starting them every 5-10 seconds) and they couldn't get it through their heads that they were annoying everyone. They saw it as everyone else refusing to have fun.

  

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200. "god I fucking despise those fans. And hate all faces fans"
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The cheer all heels fans

They're usually the same guys so that's easy I guess lol.

  

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185. "It's a message to ppl in charge of the main roster"
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186. "To reply to both you and Cold Truth in one reply"
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I get the "anti-sports entertainment" and message to main roster stuff, but it's literally every show now. It was great and effective the first few times, especially during those Banks/Bayley matches as the Divas division is what was really a joke, in-ring wrestling wise, in the WWE.

The wrestling isn't a problem on the main roster. The matches are great from a flippy shit, technical wrestling, and big spot standpoint. The issue is a 5 star match is not entertaining if there isn't a story behind it or if you don't give a shit about either of the guys in the ring or if it really means nothing who wins and loses.

At this point the "THIS IS WRESTLING" chant is just another example of the crowd trying to takover the show and get themselves over.

  

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187. "Exactly. I really thought this was obvious. "
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NXT as a whole is presented in such a way that the chant can easily be applied to the brand itself.

The chant isn't really "THIS IS WRESTLING!"

It's

"THIS is wrestling!

  

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188. "It IS obvioous, but unecessary. The in ring wrestling isn't the problem ..."
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People love the attitude era but if you rewatch Raws from 97 til the Radicalz showed up, the wrestling was complete shit 90% of the time. It was a great product because of the storytelling.

  

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190. "THIS IS WRESTLING and THIS is wrestling are different. "
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The chant works because it's true across the board.

It's the presentation of the entire promotion.

As in, THIS. THIS is wrestling. This is WRESTLING.

As in... .this is how professional wrestling is supposed to be.

  

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191. "No it's not, it's a chant that comes as a direct result of great in ring..."
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You don't see them chanting THIS IS AWESOME during a squash match on the weekly show or when Regal is cutting a promo from his office.

  

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195. "I disagree completely. "
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I think the undercurrent of the overall state of affairs in WWE and the rise of NXT as the definitive counter culture response to WWE's excesses and bad habits is what fuels that chant to begin with.

It's derived from guys like CM Punk coming out and emphasizing the fact that he was a great professional wrestler, which, conversely, was just another way of saying "I'm great at all the things that make this thing of ours great and this sports entertainer superstar shit can kick rocks".

Sure, it might come during matches where the action is good, but that's a very simplistic take that doesn't really factor in the groundswell of desire for a change from this bloated "entertainment" bullshit Vince keeps shoveling.

Saying it's nothing more than a response to good in ring action is overly simplistic and basic and ignores the greater overall message that THIS- NXT- is wrestling done the way many long time fans think it should be done.

You won't agree and that's all good

  

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205. "I've heard the chant more than once at a few ROH shows."
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cornball mark shit.

  

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192. "Glad Corbin got the win there, he's been needing a big Takeover win"
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199. "He’s quietly becoming very competent."
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He’s rounding into someone with the potential to be a legitimate upper card player with this trajectory. I’ve always liked him but I get a little more bullish on his prospects week after week.

  

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204. "I've turned the corner on him."
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The little stuff like yelling "You should have stayed home" are exactly what his persona needed. He's now ACTIVELY not giving a fuck rather than passively not giving a fuck.

  

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210. "I just can't get into him"
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He bores me and I feel like all of his heat is the wrong kind of heat.

He reminds me of just so many other big guys that they want to be stars but don't have it.

  

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196. "I think the best part of NXT is we love the faces and hate the heels"
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There's no need to be a smark, heels generate boos and faces are likable,most with some kind of vulnerability. It's to the point where I don't a scenario where I could EVER cheer for Corbin or boo for Bayley.

  

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206. "This all day."
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The show was brilliant live - crowd was absolutely insane, but always engaged with the action and on the right side.

One of the biggest things wrong with the main product is that they don't make you want to support the faces or hate the heels enough... half of the time the big face will be getting booed and the big heel will be getting ironic cheers... it completely blows the TV product out of the water.

With NXT it's just obvious who you want to win and the crowd don't feel the need to be "alternative" as a protest. A great example in this show was Bayley Vs Nia. Bayley is as simple a babyface as you'll get anywhere... she's just a nice girl who's dreamed of this her whole life and has fought against the odds to make it "the right way". Nia is bigger, stronger, meaner and doesn't give a fuck about Bayley's childhood dreams. Everybody in that building cheered for Bayley because she connects and they booed Nia because SHE connects. My girl went in wanting to cheer for Nia, but came out screaming for Bayley because of the story they told. THAT is wrestling. (and it deserved the chants)

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215. "RE: I think the best part of NXT is we love the faces and hate the heels"
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>There's no need to be a smark, heels generate boos and faces
>are likable,most with some kind of vulnerability. It's to the
>point where I don't a scenario where I could EVER cheer for
>Corbin or boo for Bayley.

Font 80 cosign. NXT allows you to fall for the trick that makes wrestling 'work'. Ross is right about the whole 'you need to be rooting for one side and against the other for the work to work' thing. Black hat. White hat. Make it simple.

When Bayley is in danger, I'm legit thinking 'she might lose here...that would suck cuz she's so awesome'. It's Sami Zayn all over again.

That's why YesGoat worked out so well to me. He was booked as an actual good guy who just wanted a fair shot. His flaw? He's little as hell and goofy-looking so the suits wouldn't want him as the champ/face of the company. But hey..if he knees your champ in the face or catches him slipping and twists his shit up in a submission, he wins. He even got Cena with it. So...the suits stacked the deck and he couldn't win because unlike Hulk, Rock, Super Cena, or even Steve...HE'S LITTLE! The stories almost told themselves. When he beat HHH AND Orton AND Bootista, glory was upon us. And it worked!

Contrary to nerd belief, it is NOT just 'movesets' (FirePro wrestling ruined us all for a while I guess), corkscrew flips, planchas, dangerous suplexes, and reckless spots to end matches. WWE is generally right in trying to make the focus be on the stories. They're just impressively terrible at telling those stories sometimes. They can't seem to regularly make their good guys be good people ON-SCREEN like they were doing with YesGoat.

Outside of the early post-WCW era when there was a reasonably clear lack of 'wellness' all over the place, they've never had a better roster of wrestlers than they have now. Maybe that 'kill the territories' mid-80s staff was up there too, but it was a different time and you could headlock and PS Hayes your way up on a 18-minute match. It wasn't the same core of wrestling ass wrestlers. And it didn't matter then anyway since wrestling ass wrestling wasn't a focus. Steamboat was back in NWA the year after his Mania 3 joint with Savage.

  

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207. "your boy was on a wrassling podcast reviewing NXT"
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nearly unbearable audio issues throughout and ya have to stare at my big ugly mug, but it was pretty fun regardless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0wxXQz9a1k

  

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208. "Hey you're not the yellow shirt guy arw you"
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211. "I'm Long Hair McGillicutty"
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216. "Cool. Can you do one with you and other people? "
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Yellow shirt dude... I just can't with his voice and mannerisms.

Otherwise not a bad outing.

  

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217. "haha, that's the host"
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so nothing I can do to help you there, but they do want me back for future shows. i should be doing my friends' wrestling podcast soon enough and they're all great so i'll be sure to post it here as well.

  

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209. "every time I hear your voice all I hear is "
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"EVERYBODY WAKE UP, THE 8:15 PUSSY TRAIN IS HERE!"

  

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212. "hahaha"
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I think you're the first person to get the time of the pussy train right when recalling that joke, so kudos to you for the attention to detail.

  

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213. "Got NXT Dallas tickets for Mania weekend"
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I'm more excited for that than actually going to Mania

  

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214. "You'll have a blast"
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The Wembley show is the best live event (wrestling or not) I've been to all year. So much fucking FUN.

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218. "Wrestle kingdom 10 +"
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AJ Styles and Nakamura allegedly leaving new Japan? AND allegedly planning to sign with wwe!? Wth!? And a couple bullet club folks? Aka Balor club on the scene?

Aka mania 32 could be something more than taker/Cena and Roman/hhh?

Thinking about the wcw invasion...Nevermind maybe. Well...maybe these guys don't get stuck having to identify with their previous organizations. Super optimistic...maybe this gets them closer to fixing the schedule these guys work so that we they can put on stronger style matches. Ie: Brock is an extreme example but there's no way his matches are what they are if he was working 4x a week.


>The last post was over 300 strong, so it's about time for a
>new one.
>
>A legend had left us, the Great Nick Bockwinel
>
>http://www.caulifloweralleyclub.org/rip-nick-bockwinkel/
>
>It is with a heavy heart the Cauliflower Alley Club announces
>that “The Greatest AWA World Champion of All Time” and
>former CAC President and WWE Hall Of Famer, Nicholas
>“Nick” Bockwinkel, passed away Saturday night at approx.
>8:40 pm due to health issues.
>
>We will have more on this later Sunday afternoon.
>
>**EDIT** A couple of promos
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBVTkqzG58
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrHM4NgQz5Q
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxV77nAuAQ8

  

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219. "I just don't get it with Styles"
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He's fine, I guess. In TNA, every time I saw him he always struck me as the lovechild of Shane Helms and Jeff Jarrett - in the worst way possible.

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222. "RE: I just don't get it with Styles"
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>He's fine, I guess. In TNA, every time I saw him he always
>struck me as the lovechild of Shane Helms and Jeff Jarrett -
>in the worst way possible.

Best days Jeff Jarrett was a B- across the board...he was like a weaker, smaller HHH in that way. Helms was like a sloppy, less athletic RVD. DAAAAANG! Styles is better than that, right?

I get that TNA put a stank on him that basically won't come off with most folks. They messed him (and Samoa Joe) up so many times in so many ways.

BUT

He's pretty awesome as an in-ring thing. His run in Japan gave that back to him.

Of course, there's a gang of dudes who be flippin now so he's not as 'special' anymore. But lawd...dude was a create a wrestler earlier in his career. And now...he's straight up a good match-having dude. And if his opponent is good too, it is all the way on. WWE having more good wrestlers with their roster of wrestling ass wrestlers is a good thing. They are running out of ways to mess this up once folks stop breaking their shoulders.

  

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223. "Styles peaked a few years too early and a few years too late"
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If he was younger right now he'd be in NXT with everyone going nuts for him to make it to the main roster.

If he peaked in the height of the Monday Night Wars he'd have been a heavily fought over free agent, likely after making a name for himself in WCW but then getting looked over and moving to WWE like Jericho.

Instead he wallowed away in TNA during his prime

He's basically the Friday Night Lights of wrestling. Too late for the era when everyone was watching on a set night and too early for the era when everyone had access 24/7

  

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220. "Title on the line in the Rumble is exciting"
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I'm sure it just means Lesnar will win it, but it's still a nice different feel.

Guessing we'll still see Roman vs Brock at Mania but now Roman can reclaim the belt and get his WM moment he didn't get last year.

  

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221. "I'm excited, but they picked a weird way to get there huh?"
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Holy shit last night was a mess.

  

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224. "Cena likely to be out of WM32"
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Confirmed shoulder injury needing surgery via Twitter.

Might force them to make an interesting main event.

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225. "this roster is looking real thin for WM"
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>Might force them to make an interesting main event.

I'm hoping they get creative but I bet they just throw a bunch of money at Rocky. I'm pretty bummed though. Wasn't looking forward to Cena-Taker exactly (if that was the plan), but he's coming off his best year.

  

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226. "Taker Rock would draw for sure but be kind of useless"
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But there also isnt anyone for him to fight that would be interesting at this point. I really don't have interest in Sting vs Taker after seeing how Sting looked vs Rollins

*Edit* Maybe this will force a Taker Kane retirement match which would be the last compelling storyline left

  

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227. "right, they have some options, I'm just not sure how interesting they ar..."
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I'll temper my pessimism because they surprised me with 31, but they've hyped up this "biggest crowd ever" thing so much that it's gonna be tough to deliver the goods.

  

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229. "I hope they both get injured "
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Just enough to be unable to compete this Mania.

  

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228. "This Wrestlemania always looked like shit anyways. "
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It was always projected to be another Old Man Mania. This card never looked good to me. It always looked awful. It was always going to be some boring ass combination of old guys.

Cena, Hunter, Rock, Brock, Taker and possibly Sting were always projected to be in the top matches here.

Reigns and Seth were the young guys in that mix but that was pretty much it.

What’s worse now is that with Cena down that probably means Jericho gets slotted in there somewhere. OH BOY CAN’T FUCKING WAIT FOR THAT. Whoopdeefuckingdo. I get to hear more horrendously antiquated shouts of BABAAAAY! For the next 3 months.

Rock? Oh boy. It’s gonna be electrifying! Can’t wait for some more gay jokes and badly dated promo style. I got my nostalgia fill a few years back and I got one more year than I needed from him. I’m good on that.

Taker looks like an old ass drag queen now. Wrestles like one too and we’re probably going to be stuck looking at more of that awkward chin length hair. I get that I’m picking at cosmetic shit but that’s because it stands out a great deal and I just don’t give two fucks about anything he does now since his Mania programs are now just shoehorned into the card because they’re just coasting on it being TakerMania.

Hunter? Yeah I don’t see enough of him and his wife emasculating the entire roster the rest of the year. I need more Hunter like fucking cowbell. The possibilities of a tag match with McHelmsley vs Rock & Rousey was never interesting beyond some TMZ shit. Sure it would have driven buys and on its own on another card could have been interesting but since it was always going to be slotted in the muck and mire of mothballs and dentures anyways.

Brock is exciting until you realize he’s been utilized nearly exclusively with Hunter, Brock, and Cena for this entire run. Seth and Roman made things interesting last year but there wasn’t much of a program last year aside from a sitdown interview and the go home confrontation. Now if they had some fucking balls they’d start booking Owens vs Brock NOW and make that shit the headliner. Please, everyone, spare me the bullshit about Owens not being ready or Rock meaning more buys or whatever. WE NEED NEW STARS. Not old ones. Not unless it's Punk. Or hell, Angle, if he could fucking survive Mania season.

There was never anything truly intriguing about this show and the only thing that perks my ears now is that so much is up in the air. That interest dies an agonizing death when I realize this will most likely mean throwing big money at more Attitude Era guys to fill the main event because YET AGAIN, they haven’t bothered to build anyone up to true star status and likely won’t.

I remember people saying dumb shit when Rock was back talking that ‘rising tide lifts all boats’ stupidity, and all I see today is a washed up shoreline and ships that would be worth sailing if Vince would grow some goddamn grapefruits and go outside the box of his weirdly geriatric preteen sensibilies and hesitance toward all the shit that actually makes pro wrestling work instead of this mind numbingly dumb philosophy of trotting out guys who used to headline as the current headliners.

Sure it may sell a couple more subs for the month and add a couple buys for the PPV side but all the pop culture bullshit and retiree headliners NEEDS TO FUCKING STOP until they build some fucking stars and THEN add the retirees and pop culture stars in small doses so we can stop living in the goddamned attitude era in 2016.
Yeah I’m mad.

  

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230. "I'm fantasy booking Rock vs Owens"
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An easy storyline with Owens hating everything Rock stands for in terms of being hollywood.

A match that Rock doesn't have to do a lot, it can just be a brawl, and even him going over Owens still gives him a good rub.

That's too interesting though we'll probably just get Jericho vs Owens and snore.

  

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231. "I'm booking Rock, Taker, Jericho, HHH, Sting, Show, and Kane into injuri..."
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Then I'm signing Austin up some a three picture deal with a major tentpole trilogy that starts filming in March.

Foleys wife will be booked to be a nagging shrew who will divorce him if he wrestles again.

Everyone from the attitude era will be booked to be anywhere outside of Texas.

  

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241. "I'm assuming Jericho vs Ambrose?"
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The 6-man tag match was clearly building to something down the line so perhaps Mania.

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244. "I'm guessing we get Jericho vs Owens"
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The Ambrose story makes sense since they sort of started it months ago, but it's not like they have never just dropped a story.

I think Jericho vs Owens can be a good feud on the mic, Jericho can take the beating from Owens and disappear again.

I'm very focused on who Owens is fighting at Mania because I think his match is one of the most important ones, he needs to be at the top of the card next year and that starts now. In reality though he'll probably just fight Neville and beat him which won't mean much.

  

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232. "i was hopeful that it would be old guys getting the current roster over"
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which i'm fine with, but now it's probably just old guy vs. old guy for 2 or 3 major matches.

  

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233. "I always felt those matches were best left to the 3 other shows"
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and post-mania programs. I also don't think it's wise to continuously make these guys such a heavy Mania presence whether they're wrestling each other or younger guys.

If we saw something this year along the lines of Brock vs Owens and, say, Taker vs Fin Balor (deadman vs the demon? Sign me up) and that was it, yeah I’m all in on something like that. But when you look at the bulk of the upper card and see nothing but old part timers, the truth is that is still at the expense of younger talent who should begin to occupy those slots. Not to mention that Sasha Banks is the sort of talent who should occupy one of those upper tier spots.

It’s time to move on from the attitude era completely when it comes to Mania and start utilizing these older guys throughout the rest of the year in order to build younger talent into Mania headliners and begin to limit the role of throwback guys for Mania so that when we get the one or two part timers at Mania it actually feels special.

I say start those programs on the post Mania raw so that when the following Mania roles around we have a younger and fresher set of stars ready to do the heavy lifting next year.

  

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234. "I'm with you"
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I understand why they freak out about ratings, subscriptions, and attendance and go back to the tried and true, but it seems like the company can't learn from it's own mistakes OR successes. The youth movement is working even if the numbers aren't where you want them. Run with it, Vince.

The attitude era nostalgia needs to go away for a while. I mean for christ's sake it wasn't even THAT long ago, there's a bunch of great young guys, and Austin and Rock have been on 2 of the last 3 video game covers.

  

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235. "It's an 11 month a year problem, not a Mania problem"
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What you're saying is true, but it requires spending 11 months - or at least half a year- building to it.

What happens is they get caught up in the week to week ratings and say, well The Rock will draw bigger if we get him to appear on Raw than an Owens vs Ziggler match will so we'll just give the time to the Rock.

Then mania time comes along and the only way to sell tickets to casual fans and get the press to talk about it is to involve The Rock and Hogan and all the old guys again. They can't just decide in January that Mania should be about giving the spot to their young guys who may run with it and surprise people. They need to commit to that by Summerslam and then start the build and long term planning and commitment has never been their strength.

  

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236. "in fairness, and we don't really know what their original plans were"
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They could very well have made the current roster look like a million bucks without THAT many old guys wrestling, but we'll really never know because of the injuries.

  

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237. "At the very least they had Rollins ready to take a top Mania spot"
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238. "I'm gonna keep pretending that this was the start of Cesaro's big push"
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he's probably my favorite wrestler to fantasy book for because he's probably the most versatile on the roster.

  

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239. "The Start was WM 30"
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I'm still waiting on the 2nd step

  

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242. "I guess the 2nd step was Heyman which made no sense..."
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Cesaro is clearly over at this point but all Heyman wanted to do was rub Taker's loss in everyone's face constantly. People clearly wanted to cheer Cesaro but how could they?! Disastrous booking.

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243. "They literally turned him face and alligned him with the biggest heel"
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at the same time. And Vince wonders why people are afraid to reach for that "brass ring".

  

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240. "he'll rub some HGH on it and be back next week."
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245. "aaaaaand now Sasha is injured too."
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hopefully it's not too bad, but the amount of injuries right now is insane.

  

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246. "knowing what you know, book the best Mania you can"
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Reigns v Lesnar
Taker v Daniel Bryan
Triple H v Kevin Owens
Charlotte v Bailey (winner of a women's Rumble on Raw?)
Wyatt Family v New Day (v Bullet Club?)
Jericho v Ambrose
Stardust v Goldust

Is it enough to sell 100,000 tickets? Don't know. But I think this is pretty interesting.

  

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247. "RE: my good as hell mania. No way these matches happen tho."
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I won't cheat with dudes who are hurt beside the obvious one.

This mania need to matter. Stars need to get made...even at the risk of blowing some loads. There needs to be emotional gravity to it too. The storytelling has to be in-ring and high end. WWE needs to kill it.

Title: Reigns vs HHH vs Taker. Crown the kid. Let the old men do the damn honors with grand storytelling and some supreme laying around grimacing for effect so they can rest while taking turns getting their stuff in to call back and false finish folks to death.

Shinsuke vs Brock. Hour 3 main. Let Swag get physical with the beast and make a big star outta the gate. Imagine Paul doing a Paul in the interviews. And then swag hits him with the 'What? I wasn't paying attention' no-sell one good time. It would be so awesome. And then the knees and signature moves would go flying. Brock would eat them since he's a part-timer and Swag's strikes would be MADE.

Wyatts vs League of Nations. Wyatts as the faces here.

Title: New day vs kalisto and Neville. That's right. Neville is the best Sin Cara replacement.

Title: Owens vs Zayn. Hour 2 main. No dq or some kinda stip because fill Jerryland with the best wrestling possible. And those guys deserve a shot at stealing a show that needs emotional stealing. Zayn can make adults care.

AJ Styles vs Balor. Best wrestling possible. Demon entrance. Balor/Bullet club implications. Wrestling nerd gift card. Wwe needs to get on with making some stars up in here.

Title vs title. Hour 1 main: Bayley vs Flair or whoever cuz Bayley is grand and The Boss is hurt. Pretty athletic girls crying and killing it. More emotional depth gets added to the show...make it 'matter'.

Title: Jericho vs Ambrose vs Ziggler. Sorry Dean. Sorry Ziggla. Somebody's getting stuck with Jericho.

Curtain jerk/early show theft attempt: Samoa Joe vs Daniel Bryan. Silly me! I'm adding more good wrestling just to do it while these guys exist on the same roster.

Dustin vs Cody cuz you don't screw over shweet dusthy after he rolls out.

The three man matches...why so many!? Covering folks physically is my crazy idea here.

Four NXT folks is a lot. And Daniel Bryan. I'm outta my mind. But this card has folks who are totally on their roster with mostly working shoulders. It shoudnt be so unrealistic. But it is. And I left folks off who will somehow end up on the show. And that's 10 matches.

>Reigns v Lesnar
>Taker v Daniel Bryan
>Triple H v Kevin Owens
>Charlotte v Bailey (winner of a women's Rumble on Raw?)
>Wyatt Family v New Day (v Bullet Club?)
>Jericho v Ambrose
>Stardust v Goldust
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>Is it enough to sell 100,000 tickets? Don't know. But I think
>this is pretty interesting.

  

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248. "We talking Dream Mania or realistic Mania?"
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No way so much of that can happen but it would be good

My dream mania based on current roster, some realistic things here and some stretches

Reigns vs HHH - there is no real Reigns story I want to see but I'd enjoy the humor of HHH winning the rumble
Brock vs Owens
Taker vs Kane
Charlotte vs Sasha vs Becky
New Day vs Enz and Cas - I don't think they could come up and get a title shot so quick, but the promos for this match are a dream
Ziggler vs Ambrose
I'd also like to see some type of NXT vs WWE match like Finn and bullet club vs League of nations or something

  

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249. "Here's what I'd pull together..."
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1. WHT: Reigns vs Ziggler
I'd have a classic Vince screw job at the Rumble with Reigns picking #30 and having it come down to he and Ziggler and Vince interfering giving the win to Reigns, who has basically succumb to the allure of the dark side. I'm not even a huge Ziggler fan but people adore him so go with it and see what happens.

2. DIVAS: Sasha vs Charlotte
Give them lots of time and they'll do the rest.

3. IC: KO vs Finn
Fin's ready for the call up and there's a potential show stealer here.

4. US: Del Rio vs Neville vs Breeze
I was desperate to include Breeze and this seemed like a good slot.

5. TAG: New Day vs ????
No idea who to put them against. Been through Dudleys which (apart from their debut) led to no memorable moments or matches; Usos again??; Luchas are on the shelf; I've included two NXT tag call ups elsewhere but for tag titles just seems too soon for them to be seen as viable contenders so I'm stumped.

6. The Rock vs HHH
They always had great chemistry and the match would be good so let's go.

7. Dudleys vs Dash & Dawson
Dash & Dawson are ready and they'd have a great fight here.

8. Ambrose vs Y2J
The seeds have been planted and I think the match would be good.

9. Paige vs Bayley
Give them lots of time and they'll do the rest.

10. Usos vs Gable & Jordan
No reason other than the fan reaction - the match could steal the show.

11. Bray Wyatt vs Brock
I dunno. Could be great as long as Bray doesn't get squashed - there could be something good to be had here particularly if Bray goes over with the squad behind him. Imagine Heyman and Bray going back & forth with the promos too.


NO UNDERTAKER. He had become a Mania attraction so don't understand why he didn't hang it up after the Streak ended. I do mean this respectfully though - he can definitely still go (his last 2 matches with Brock were great even though the booking for the SummerFest finish was disastrous!!). The streak ended, he then went on to TAP to Brock, then lose to him again. It's over dude.

Rusev and Sheamus deserve a mention in the card but I couldn't find opponents for them(?)

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250. "1. Owens vs Ambrose for the WWE Title"
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First and foremost I’d make this a youth movement in a massive way. I’d make this the show where new stars are born and sell this as a new beginning. A new, well, goddamnit… day. Lol.

I’d make it a point to use this show to create fresh stars. I don’t give two fucks about 100,000 tickets. I’d sell this as something we’ll look back on as a pivotal night where we all bore witness to the rise of the next generation of major stars, guys coming into their own, yadda yadda yadda. I think they could bring back some lapsed fans and indy marks with my plan to help boost ticket sales, but who knows.


1. Owens vs Ambrose for the WWE Title

Why?

-We need to make new stars. That time is NOW and these are the two best choices. Plus, despite being mired in 50/50 nonsense they can flip a switch with both of these guys with ease to get them ready for Mania. Tell the story of Owen’s incredible first year and his obsession with Ambrose for beating him for the IC strap. Owens wins the rumble and since the winner usually gets the match at Mania, Dean can make the argument that decision can be made that the IC champ should be the de facto #1contender. Del Rio would pop up and make the same argument for the US champ, despite not having the title.

Del Rio vows to get the strap back and does with help from the LON, and this sets up a non-title match at Fastlane for a shot at the WWE title at Mania that Ambrose wins despite interference from League of Nations members on orders from The Authority. Reigns makes the save on this and we get IC Champ vs WWE Champ in the main.

Winner: Ambrose. KO will get a nice three month run as a sadistic, white hot heel and Ambrose is just the guy to prevent KO from getting too many smarks to cheer for him. Both guys get over and elevate to the title picture.

2. Brock vs Reigns.

Why?

-Roman decides that putting an end to The Authority is the biggest priority in all of WWE and decides his pursuit of the title must wait until he gets rid of The Authority, because the Authority starts putting the screws to all the faces in order to fuck with Reigns.

He decides to do this after learning that the LON interference in the Calisto/Del Rio match was on orders of the Authority and Calisto winds up hurt in a bad way. Reigns makes a proposal: he’ll sign a contract that prohibits him from ever getting another WWE title match against the very existence of The Authority. No gimmicks. No out clauses for either party. No loopholes where only Cena can rehire them. All or nothing. He challenges Hunter to a match at Mania.

Hunter counters under the same terms, but with one key change: Brock fights in Hunters place. Reigns expected this and signs. Brock signs up on some mercenary shit because that’s what he is anyways. Heyman also makes it clear that it’s in Brock’s best interest to keep the Authority in power because they’re lining his pockets.

After The Authority signs, Reigns drops a bombshell: in their arrogance as McMahons (yeah you too Hunter, lol) under the impression they can easily stack the deck, they signed without reading the entire contract and didn’t catch a major element of the deal. The Rock will be present in Romans corner for this match…. But he’s also a fair man (ahem: babyface) and says that the contract also allows Hunter to be in Brocks corner, but no one else is allowed at ringside.

Then we get a few Heyman/Rock promo battles along the road to Mania.
Winner: Reigns, for obvious reasons. Say audios to the Authority and plant seeds for Brock/Rock down the road somewhere that’s not Mania. Probably Survivor Series as that show needs a boost.

Plus we get Rock + Hunter without them having the actual match, which I don't fucking want for anything. We do get the rub though.

3.Taker vs… who knows. Who gives a fuck, really.

Why? Who cares. I don’t care. Unless they bring up Baron Corbin or Samoa Joe or some shit for this and make it a point to use Takers legacy to mint a new star (in WWE, in Joe’s case) I just plain don’t give a fuck. I’m over Taker at Mania. If I had it my way he’d retire and be gone from Mania. Sorry. But he’s going to be there and people still seem to want to watch the Deadmans Corpse lumber around and I’m fantasy booking to some degree based on things that have at least some chance of happening so I guess I have to include him. If I had that book I would bring up Joe for this match.

Winner: I could care less. Personally I would book Joe and elevate him here.

4. Balor Club vs The Wyatt family.

Why?

THIS IS AWESOME. That’s why. This is THAT match. I’d book BC strong and introduce Balor’s Demon at Mania. I’d have TWF set this one off. I’d have Balor and Bray head up these promos with Brays usual deal and Balor telling Bray he doesn’t know what he’s dealing with, teasing the Demon along the way. I’d consider adding some members to each group too as part of the story on the way to Mania. Probably kill this social outcasts bullshit and have Bray pull Hennig and Slater to the Wyatts and add to Corbin to BC for the rub.

I think this match could be a big selling point if built properly.

Who goes over: Wyatts and I’d put Bray and Harper over strong. I’m not sure how I’d do the finish because everyone needs to look strong here regardless of who goes over. Wyatts need some juice though and I’d continue this until SS with the BC ultimately coming out on top.

That’s the top of my Mania card. Not sure about the rest. I think Del Rio vs Neville with Neville going over would work well. There's still Ziggler, Bryan, Ryback, Show, New Day, Usos, etc to book but aside from Bryan there's nobody I really want in my top 4 matches.

I might debut Nakamura the on the post Mania Raw. I’d have Brock come out and fuck up some mid card guys during a match and have him repeat later in the show. Maybe say he’s sending a message on behalf of the Authority. The Authority may be gone, but Brock’s still here and he’s still a hired hand and they’ve paid him handsomely to make sure the WWE roster knows they can still make shit happen.

Whatever. I’d refine that idea down the road but I’d have Brock putting on his second beating of the night and have Nakamura come out and get in his face. Brock stops dead in his tracks, looks like he’s seen a goddamned ghost and bounces.

I think this would firmly establish fresh faces and a fresh direction for WWE as a whole with this. Everyone is built into a big deal, some things get resolved and others get built up for another payoff down the road.

  

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251. "finally taking a stab at this"
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Reigns v Owens for the WWE Title
Brock v Rusev
Taker v Bray
Rock v Daniel Bryan
Triple H v Rusev
Charlotte v Sasha
Paige v Emma
New Day v Bullet Club
Sheamus v Ambrose
Kalisto v Neville
Do they even have enough guys for a battle royale? I think 1/3 would have to be from the NXT roster.

  

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252. "R.I.P. "Iron" Mike Sharpe"
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I remember him as "King of the Jobbers" and for that eternal black "protective" armband...lol


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253. "The end of tonight's Raw is worth watching spoiler free"
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It's not super outside the box or NWO level but it throws a huge wrench into Mania season and I genuinely have no fucking clue where their going.

I have ideas, but there are enough variables here that it's intriguing and doesn't feel predictable. For now, that is.

  

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254. "lol they can't fool me again"
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not even gonna get my hopes up about the wyatts this time.

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255. "Oh there;s plenty of reason for apathy and I'm with you"
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Thing is, with Cena gone for so long I think it's finally hitting home that they need to make new stars in a bad way.

  

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256. "For about 30 seconds I thought"
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YES!!! THE WYATTS ARE GONNA TAKE OVER
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then reality set in and I thought "they're gonna screw it up...AGAIN"

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261. "the most refreshing thing they could do"
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...is from this moment forward push Bray to the fucking moon.

All this guy does is talk about chaos. What if he really followed through on that promise, flew under the radar of everyone's BS with the Authority and Lesnar and Reigns, and won the thing? Man.

  

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264. "Agreed. Ditto Owens, Ambrose, Neville, Calisto."
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Owens and Ambrose need to get into the title picture down the road. With a mix of Bray, Reigns, Brock, occupying that title mix through Mania they should be able to elevate Owens and Ambrose to the fringes of the main event/title mix to get them ready while Neville and Calisto gain momentum in the mid card.

We already have the New Day holding down the mid card pretty well in their slot but there's a huge opportunity right now to go all in with these guys, not to mention Styles coming in and the return of Cesaro and Rollins, maybe Orton down the road.

Still not sure what they're doing with the League Of Nations since they should have been able to beat Brock into a coma and didn't. From a physicality + actual work standpoint Sheamus is a golden opportunity they've probably ruined beyond repair. he should be booked as able to go toe to toe with Brock but nope. We get more Broly (c) DBZ Brock.

At least Harper laid his ass out with a solid boot and that nice looking discus clothesline. Hopefully he gets some shine in this mix as well.

At any rate the cynic in me is screaming at the realest in me because I just know they'll fuck this up too and It will still be The Steph & Paul show (featuring The Rock) at Mania and everyone but Brock will still be a secondary player.

  

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257. "My best guess knowing how WWE does things"
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Wyatt will cost Lesnar and Reigns the Rumble but not win it. We'll either have a random 4th person as champ or possibly a vacant title

Fast Lane will involve figuring out the #1 contender, probably a triple threat match, Lesnar, Reigns and Wyatt.

Reigns will win and win the belt at Mania. Wyatt and Lesnar will fight a useless match at mania and Wyatt will lose another big feud.

The big question here is who the 4th person is to be transitional champ, that could be interesting at least. A good spot for a guy the internet is clammoring for to get a short run like Jericho got waiting for HHH to return.

  

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258. "I forgot about HHH, I bet his is the 4th man"
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HHH wins Rumble

Some kind of #1 contender match at FAst Lane

HHH vs Reigns at Mania
Brock vs Wyatt at Mania

  

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262. "When was the last time he was on TV?"
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>HHH wins Rumble
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it definitely feels like they're throwing us off their scent, so this is very much within reason.

  

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263. "Been gone since Reigns beat him up"
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Not counting NXT

  

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259. "boy that Roman Reigns has the deck stacked against him!"
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I sure hope he makes it out ok !!!




What are we all seven years old? Jesus.

  

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260. "LMAO @ Titus throwing Breeze over Henry "
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cant even get buried clean

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265. "I know no one here cares, but"
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Matt Hardy with the quality heel turn to win the TNA belt..........................................................................................and his wife can get it.

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266. "damn, can't they give EC3 a run?"
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>Matt Hardy with the quality heel turn to win the TNA
>belt..........................................................................................and
>his wife can get it.

  

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267. "This is exactly WHY nobody cares"
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>Matt Hardy . . . win the TNA belt

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269. "Well that isn't as bad as"
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the Kurt Angle "Farewell Tour" with matches against quality opponents like Drew Mcintyre and Bobby Lashley

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magilla vanilla
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270. "I actually like Drew Mac. But yeah. "
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268. "Matt Hardy"
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276. "TNA...and the rumble"
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>Matt Hardy with the quality heel turn to win the TNA
>belt..........................................................................................and
>his wife can get it.

Yes she can. TNA is a goldmine for that tho.

Matt Hardy main-eventing any televised wrestling show in 2016 IS crazy. I like EC3 as much as most do. He's a great character heel. I guess Hardy gets to do his indy heel thing now?

I watched the year-end TNA shows along with a couple of those round-robin shows where it was mostly wrestling and dollhouse promos. Not bad. But I can't be messing with those fools on a weekly basis. I don't even watch all of any Raw nowadays. And I'll mess around and read results before I watch a WWE PPV if I don't love the card.

Obviously, I'm in on the Rumble tho. I'll 2-tv it up in my cave so I can watch the Rumble and Zona/Carolina at the same damn time.

Rumble...

They have a great chance to do cool stuff. They'll get some stuff in, but I can't see it getting too crazy. IE: no Phil. No Bryan. Prolly no Cena. No Orton or Rollins.

I'll be borderline shocked if HHH doesn't at least troll folks by coming out late in the Rumble (late 20s). Maybe they'll have an Omaha code to go with an alternate ending if he comes out and the crowd X-Pac heats him up.

I'll be even more shocked if they risk ruining the goodwill they have by having Reigns pull a Hogan/Austin/Cena-style superface win.

Somehow I think we get Taker showing up (after HHH so we can get the 'awww shit!' face from the heels).

Wyatt's will be on the scene but I don't see dude winning. I just don't. Maybe he's the one who ends up with Brock at Mania...

I don't know how they can have Styles show up in the rumble but get tossed out. He'd look like a bitch unless he gets a super protective exit....bwahahahahahahaha! Just kidding! This is WWE!

I'm STILL calling for a Reigns vs HHH vs Taker Mania main event. But I also want Shinsuke vs Brock, so I'm probably the crazy one that WWE isn't thinking about trying to please. I'm going to Mania and the Raw after Mania so maybe they should reconsider! I'll head to Dallas Saturday afternoon and roll out Tuesday morning. It'll be great.

  

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271. "HHH the Vegas favorite to win the Rumble"
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So much for them keeping him off TV to hope people forgot about it.

Odds to Win the Royal Rumble 2016

Triple H 6/5
Roman Reigns 9/5
Brock Lesnar 3/1
Bray Wyatt 15/1
The Rock 16/1
Daniel Bryan 18/1
Dean Ambrose 20/1
Kevin Owens 20/1
The Undertaker 25/1
Rusev 33/1
Sheamus 33/1
Braun Strowman 33/1
AJ Styles 33/1
Ryback 35/1
Finn Balor 40/1
Cesaro 40/1
Dolph Ziggler 40/1
Alberto Del Rio 50/1
Chris Jericho 50/1
Randy Orton 50/1
Vince or Shane McMahon 65/1
Kalisto 66/1
Neville 75/1
The Big Show 80/1
Mark Henry 95/1
Curtis Axel 100/1
Big E 100/1
El Torito 150/1
Fernando 150/1
Luke Harper 100/1
Kane 100/1
Kofi Kingston 100/1
Titus O’Neill 100/1
Erick Rowan 100/1
R-Truth 100/1
Stardust 100/1
Heath Slater 100/1
King Barrett 150/1
Bo Dallas 150/1
Fandango 150/1
Goldust 150/1
Tyson Kidd 150/1
The Miz 150/1
Shinsuke Nakamura 150/1
Alex Riley 150/1
Adam Rose 150/1
Zack Ryder 150/1
Damien Sandow 150/1
Darren Young 150/1
Stone Cold E.T. 200/1

  

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272. "Not too bad - Alex Riley 150/1"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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273. "I like Bray at 15/1. I'd bet equal money on him and Trips."
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Break even with a Trips win, and have Bray as my underdog.

  

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274. "Shoutout to Stone Cold E.T."
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_________________________________________________________________________________

I'm a simple man. I like pretty, dark haired women and breakfast foods.
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275. "to confirm, we definitely don't think Rollins is eligible right??"
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278. "If what they say about his injury is true, it'd be a miracle"
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It would be incredible to see, but I don't think it's medically possible, like he could probably do a quick apperrance at this point and maybe deliver a hit, but could not win a rumble and become champ and then have to carry that schedule.

  

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290. "nope. he should sit out a full year."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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277. "A lot of rumours have suggested HHH vs Reigns at Mania..."
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So HHH walking out as #30 and winning the whole thing doesn't seem far-fetched at all. The boos will be deafening but at least this time it'll be the reaction they want as opposed to the last few years.

Definitely thought they were going with Reigns/Lesnar but maybe they're still not confident in Reigns coming off good in that pairing.

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279. "Putting it on HHH gives them 2 months to figure it out too"
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Maybe Reigns vs HHH happens at Fast Lane instead because HHH headlining Mania seems like a joke.

Or you could see some kind of Bryan situation where Reigns has to fight HHH for the title in the first match at Mania, but this time if he wins he gets punished and has to fight Lesnar in the main event.

I don't know what the plan is but HHH gives them options, putting it on Brock basically just settles what Mania will be on Sunday.

  

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280. "RE: A lot of rumours have suggested HHH vs Reigns at Mania..."
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>So HHH walking out as #30 and winning the whole thing doesn't
>seem far-fetched at all. The boos will be deafening but at
>least this time it'll be the reaction they want as opposed to
>the last few years.
>
>Definitely thought they were going with Reigns/Lesnar but
>maybe they're still not confident in Reigns coming off good in
>that pairing.

I'm about sure that Wyatt is a smokescreen who won't get past the final 4. Jericho will go out just before that.

I hope they don't risk hearing the crowd react to Reigns throwing everyone out to give him the fake win before the shenanigans.

My guess is HHH comes out as #31 after being nowhere on the whole show and aims to steal the rumble.

Giving that spot to AJ styles via HHH intro on the ramp while AJ sneaks up behind would be sweeeeet (c) lil sweet.

It's Orlando. Styles would get love.

I'll even take the 'masked dude outta nowhere sneak attack' intro for AJ Styles. Of course, we'd know it was him cuz we're nerds and we'd recognize the body type and know he was too big to be Bryan and too small to be Orton, Shinsuke, or Rollins. Too bad they don't have the sack to do that. It would be sweet tho...if only for the month before fastlane.

  

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285. "HHH coming out as #31 would make me laugh out loud..."
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It'd be brilliant!

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283. "If I were a betting man KO would be my dark horse."
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Those are great odds. Shit, Sheamus has really low odds for a recent champ too.

>Kevin Owens 20/1

>Sheamus 33/1

  

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284. "RE: HHH the Vegas favorite to win the Rumble"
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Who I wouldn't mind seeing win the belt

>Brock Lesnar
>Bray Wyatt
>Kevin Owens
>Braun Strowman
>AJ Styles (or Stylish Al Jones, or whatever they name him...smh)
>Cesaro
>Shane McMahon (just to see the intro...he's drop the belt on Raw the next day, but I'd love to see it)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIxwGqR_Mik

Who I expect to win

>Roman Reigns
>Brock Lesnar
>Daniel Bryan
>Dean Ambrose
>Sheamus
>Bray Wyatt

PLEASE GOD..NOOOOO

>Triple H
>The Rock
>Dean Ambrose
>The Undertaker
>Ryback

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281. "The best rumble fantasy booking?"
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It's gotta be something borderline realistic.

I'll go first:

Reigns is getting beatdown by a few heels. Even HHH has come out at 29. But the kid is surviving. #30 is up. The whole internet is hoping for a shortlist of folks who it won't be: Styles, Bryan, Nakamura, etc.

It's the Rock. He gets his shit in but ends up doing something shady and throwing out Reigns to win the whole thing. We get Hollywood Rock, hilarity ensues, and Reigns goes over at Mania vs his cuzo.

This is just one random idea. I still 'want' hhh vs taker vs reigns. I think that's the biggest match they have that they are willing to do. Brock in a triple threat is great too but he doesn't 'need' it like the old guys might at this point.

As long as Shinsuke gets a real match with someone like Owens, styles, or someone who he can kill it with, I'm fine. With their limited roster, there's no way they don't stick him on the show, right? I'm not gonna be watching a 3mb vs new day match at mania, right?

>The last post was over 300 strong, so it's about time for a
>new one.
>
>A legend had left us, the Great Nick Bockwinel
>
>http://www.caulifloweralleyclub.org/rip-nick-bockwinkel/
>
>It is with a heavy heart the Cauliflower Alley Club announces
>that “The Greatest AWA World Champion of All Time” and
>former CAC President and WWE Hall Of Famer, Nicholas
>“Nick” Bockwinkel, passed away Saturday night at approx.
>8:40 pm due to health issues.
>
>We will have more on this later Sunday afternoon.
>
>**EDIT** A couple of promos
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBVTkqzG58
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrHM4NgQz5Q
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxV77nAuAQ8

  

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282. "Roman Reigns wins via throwing out whoever, maybe a LoN member"
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in which case the LoN comes in and beats down Roman to a pulp, 4-on-1.

Out comes Vince McMahon.

"Congratulations Roman but as I said this year's Royal Rumble was going to be special. Not only is the WWE World Heavyweight Championship on the line, but we have 31 entrants instead of 30. Ladies and gentlemen, the 31st entrant of the Royal Rumble is....."

*Triple H's music hits*

Roman/HHH brawl for a bit but Roman is running on E after spending an hour+ in the Rumble plus a beatdown by the LoN. HHH tosses out Roman.

We get HHH/Roman for the Title at Mania (Roman's rematch)
Something happens where the Wyatts take out Lesnar in the Rumble and carry him off like they did Taker after HIAC. Sets up Bray/Lesnar at Mania as well.

  

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286. "My biggest issue with Bray vs Brock is this..."
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It does nothing for anyone

Bray won't win and now we are just looking at another feud that he lost.

Brock beating Bray also does nothing for him, at this point he's just beating up upper midcarders

Bray needs somebody he can beat at Mania this year before they risk him finally just becoming irrelevant.

  

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288. "I think they could make it work with it being Wyatts v Brock"
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Bray obviously can't beat Brock by himself, kayfabe wise NOBODY can, but he can get help from his cult/family and do the job. In doing so they need to seriously start making the Wyatts an actual sadistic, even demonic cult and not just a bunch of dudes in dirty clothes with long beards. Really take it to Brock, leave him bloodied and in shambles, "Sacrifice the Beast".

  

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289. "Ya it would be cool, I just don't see them doing it"
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287. "just saw the trailor for the sunny/tammy p*rn LINK"
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vivid's website

https://youtu.be/d1R7Dx_xepY

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291. "Austin Aries signs with NXT"
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https://www.facebook.com/WWENXT/videos/942794605770104/


With Nakamura and AJ Styles joining WWE, and now Aries, is this gonna be a new era in WWE, or just adding more talent that will be mid-carders or worse in six months...maybe this will trigger some "Wish him well in their future endeavors" notices. Hoping for the best...expecting much less.

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292. "I think we're gonna start to see NXT become it's own thing"
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At this point it's basically becoming ROH and not even creating home grown talent which I'm fine with.

But these guys have no place in WWE and never really wanted to be a part of WWE before NXT.

I can see a day where these guys are not even working towards the main roster but simply developing an "indy fed" within the WWE.

  

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293. "RE: Austin Aries signs with NXT"
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>https://www.facebook.com/WWENXT/videos/942794605770104/
>
>
>With Nakamura and AJ Styles joining WWE, and now Aries, is
>this gonna be a new era in WWE, or just adding more talent
>that will be mid-carders or worse in six months...maybe this
>will trigger some "Wish him well in their future endeavors"
>notices. Hoping for the best...expecting much less.

It's a setup. They want the best Indy guys to see wwe as a destination. For that, they need to take on cats like Aries and at least pretend to 'utilize' them. Nxt is prolly 'losing $' right now so wwe has to grow it at some point as well as 'make some stars'.

I'm very interested/scared about Styles And Shinsuke are gonna get introduced and used.

  

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294. "2000 - 2004 wwe"
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Is pretty damn awesome. Even 'bad' matchups tend to yield solid wrestling. And there's so many good wrestlers that they had to work to find bad matchups.

But hell, old dudes were working their asses off and some of history's best workers were on the scene at the same damn time as some of the biggest stars ever. So you kinda couldn't show up bullshitting in the ring. I just watched an unnecessarily good Hoke Hogan vs Bike Dude Taker title match.

I'm about to get into a Kurt Angle vs Hogan match from kotr 2002. And I have a straight face and I'm not scared. I'll tell you why: Angle has the wig and the headwrap. Fuggin Prime Kurt Angle is the best. And there's like 3 different kurts during this time.

>The last post was over 300 strong, so it's about time for a
>new one.
>
>A legend had left us, the Great Nick Bockwinel
>
>http://www.caulifloweralleyclub.org/rip-nick-bockwinkel/
>
>It is with a heavy heart the Cauliflower Alley Club announces
>that “The Greatest AWA World Champion of All Time” and
>former CAC President and WWE Hall Of Famer, Nicholas
>“Nick” Bockwinkel, passed away Saturday night at approx.
>8:40 pm due to health issues.
>
>We will have more on this later Sunday afternoon.
>
>**EDIT** A couple of promos
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nBVTkqzG58
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrHM4NgQz5Q
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxV77nAuAQ8

  

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295. "great, great period."
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Their second tier guys were Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, and Edge. I mean come on.

There's a triple threat Rock v Taker v Angle match from some PPV in 2002. Fully Loaded? Unforgiven? I think Taker comes in champ and Rock wins then takes the title into his Lesnar program. Dogg the match is stupid good.

There's a Taker v RVD hardcore match from, I don't know, Survivor Series maybe 2002, 2003?

Rey Mysterio vs Kurt Angle at Summerslam 02.

Edge and Hogan won the tag titles on Smackdown around 03?

HBK vs Jericho at Mania 19 of course. (Hogan vs Vince at Mania 19, Austin vs Rock Mania 19, Lesnar vs Angle Mania 19. MANIA 19!!!)

Just so much really great in-ring work in the early 2000s. Damn near everyone could GO.

  

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296. "I remember in that era thinking how bad it was starting to get"
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Here I am a decade later wishing for those days

  

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297. "I love that Taker/Angle/Rock match..."
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Great pick!

Anyone remember Taker vs Hardy in a ladder match on a Smackdown for the title. I was screaming for Jeff to do the impossible with that match but even though he didn't win, the ending was superb. Great match.

Countless matches to mention from that period.

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298. "You haven't broke me taker"
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I always remember that promo with his voice cracking, bent like a pretzel. That was my peak interest in Jeff Hardy

  

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299. "RE: great, great period."
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I was only getting Summerfest and Mania every year in the 2000s up until WWE Network enriched my life by making all of the monthly shows realistic options. Add in that I all but quit watching weekly shows off and on during 2004 - 2010-ish.

AKA I missed a lot of those other PPV matches even when I was watching Raws and Smackdowns, so I'm going back and remembering/'discovering' these matches (in some cases...again). And of course, the WWE video package machine makes every mid-card and above match seem at least decently important at time.

Hoke and Flair weren't locks to main event anything, but they were both still capable of getting carried to something decent by then. Once Shawn came back and started his second, somehow better career, it was curtains.

Angle, Benoit, and/or Jericho are on the scene wrestling their asses off as Austin and Rock got close to their ends and Brock/Cena/Edge are coming up. Angle especially...just silly. Sure, the 3-7 ankle lock sequences per match are what they are, but dude was crazy good.

I peeped that 2002 KOTR final. RVD vs Brock. Whoa young Brock...his arms look fake long. He did a full rotation powerslam from a flat-foot position. It was silly. He also did the 'catch from the top rope --> F5' reversal. And of course, RVD was outrageously athletic too. He did a jumping kick from the top rope with a c'mon now amount of air under it.

I'ma look into that Rey vs Kurt. I assume he was owning his baldness by then. Wig + headgear Angle is amazing...he could somehow wrestle seriously with that on.

>Their second tier guys were Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, and Edge.
>I mean come on.
>
>There's a triple threat Rock v Taker v Angle match from some
>PPV in 2002. Fully Loaded? Unforgiven? I think Taker comes in
>champ and Rock wins then takes the title into his Lesnar
>program. Dogg the match is stupid good.
>
>There's a Taker v RVD hardcore match from, I don't know,
>Survivor Series maybe 2002, 2003?
>
>Rey Mysterio vs Kurt Angle at Summerslam 02.
>
>Edge and Hogan won the tag titles on Smackdown around 03?
>
>HBK vs Jericho at Mania 19 of course. (Hogan vs Vince at Mania
>19, Austin vs Rock Mania 19, Lesnar vs Angle Mania 19. MANIA
>19!!!)
>
>Just so much really great in-ring work in the early 2000s.
>Damn near everyone could GO.

  

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