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10 QUESTIONS FOR THE BULLS HEADING INTO 2015-16

Sam Smith breaks down 10 questions for the Bulls as the players report back for 2015-16
Posted: Sep 28, 2015

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By Sam Smith | 9.28.2015 | 9:50 a.m.

It’s the official start of the 2015-16 NBA season for the Bulls with media interviews Monday and practices beginning Tuesday, and there’s one very big question not hovering over the team’s aspirations for the first time in three years: The health of Derrick Rose.

Of course, there always will be concerns and uncertainty regarding Rose’s health after the 2012 ACL surgery and subsequent meniscus surgeries. Rose isn’t really vulnerable to injury now more than most others. But society doesn’t view history that way. If you fell down three times, you are believed to be more susceptible to falling down. Even if you have worked more diligently than anyone else not to fall down any longer.

Rose recognizes that public reality and acknowledged as much in recent seasons as he agreed every time he falls for the rest of his career people will fear the worst. Rose for the first time since his catastrophic 2012 injury spent this past summer training without any limitations and generally without any media anticipation of what he can or will be and when. Certainly, given Rose’s injuries and his importance to the team, his fate will always be a concern. Yet, for the first time since 2012, it’s not the primary question facing the team.

Here’s a look at 10 that perhaps are:

1. CAN THE BULLS DO THE FREDDIE?

The biggest addition from last season—and it is a huge one—is the coaching change from Tom Thibodeau to Fred Hoiberg. The general cliché with coaching changes is if you’ve got a tough guy you go to a player friendly guy. Have a good guy and then you go to a demanding guy. So this change fits the pattern from a simplistic view. But it’s more involved with Hoiberg’s expected increased pace of play and use of depth and varied rotations. Thibodeau was the right coach at the right time for the Bulls, a demanding, defense oriented, well prepared basketball junkie. The Thibodeau tenure also created a base for defense that will aid Hoiberg. But the NBA continues to evolve with the spread court and inverted offenses that have prospered enough so that even the Spurs moved from a slow down post game to a spread passing and shooting game to remain relevant. Hoiberg is in the model of successful young coaches like Brad Stevens and Steve Kerr in being able to relate well with a light and supportive touch. That should produce a much more energetic and appealing game to watch and which fits with the emerging styles. Though it won’t be easy to surpass Thibodeau success record, at least in the regular season.

2. CAN NOAH HOLD OFF THE FLOODS OF INJURY AND AGE?

Actually, the return and status of Joakim Noah is of greater concern than with Rose. Noah’s knee surgery from last summer was obviously more serious and debilitating than expected. It proved a punishing setback for him that even bled into his gregarious basket soul. Noah seemed to lose confidence in his offensive abilities, and his effusive leadership suffered. That’s vital for a Bulls team without any true vocal leaders. Noah was said to have had an encouraging summer of recovery, though no one will truly know until he stops turning down those 15 footers. This is Noah’s last contract year with the Bulls, so it’s a big season for him in many ways.

3. SO WHO STARTS AT CENTER?

No one in the NBA has this problem, if it can be called that: Having last year’s starting All-Star center and the previous season’s Defensive Player of the Year and All-Star center. Thibodeau’s experiment playing Noah at power forward, while laudably deferential to Noah’s status, even further crowded a poorly spaced Bulls court. It really won’t be much an issue other than in the media. Gasol coming off a rigorous summer playing for Spain clearly will play less. He figures to start, but the minutes should be about the same between he and Noah. Hoiberg will be less structured and more flexible than Thibodeau in his rotation, so either likely will finish depending on needs at the time. And often perhaps neither with the surfeit of small lineups. Niko the center?

4. CAN NIKOLA MIROTIC MAKE A THREE?

The 6-10 forward came advertised as a three-point specialist and even adopted the “threekola” nickname for his Twitter account. But he did most everything well but shoot. He showed an ability to put the ball on the floor and get to the basket, though needing to finish better, and a knack for defensive rebounding. But he seemed to fall in love with pump faking and driving. Now with Rose and Jimmy Butler likely doing more ball handling, and thus drive-and-kick possibilities, Mirotic needs to hold his space and make the defense come out to him. That requires making those shots. He was a pleasant surprise last season and amazing clutch player for a rookie. Spain used him often as a center backing up Gasol. His versatility has positives and negatives.

5. CAN DOUG MCDERMOTT MAKE A THREE?

With some similarities to Mirotic, McDermott showed abilities far beyond the mortal shooter. He posted up —at least in summer league when he got to play — drove hard, defended reasonably well, handled the ball. Did about everything but make threes, which he was really known for in college. Sometimes he looks like he’s almost wishing them to go in the way he tries so hard. He’s been like the golfer who doesn’t miss a shot on the range and then hits out of bounds on the first hole. He just needs to relax.

6. CAN MIKE DUNLEAVY BE REPLACED, EVEN FOR A MONTH?

The conventional wisdom now is McDermott will start at small forward with Dunleavy coming off back surgery and not due to play until around Thanksgiving. But this is one of the advantages of having someone like Hoiberg as coach. He’s not going to be locked into a starting and reserve unit, other than the certainty of the Rose/Butler backcourt. McDermott could start at small forward, but so could Butler with Tony Snell at shooting guard. Or Snell at small forward. Mirotic mostly showed last season he’s best against bigger matchups. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see Dunleavy in his return join the second unit as he was supposed to be a reserve when he first signed with the Bulls.

7. IS TONY SNELL THE X-FACTOR OR THE WHY-FACTOR?

Like in why doesn’t he do more. Snell’s playing time was in inconsistent spurts again last season, though he showed flashes of great defensive ability with his long arms and movement and shooting. This is a big season for him to make a case for a contract extension. He showed the ability to defend great scorers and make big shots. And then he’d disappear for entire games or weeks. His versatility could be vital in plugging holes all over the floor. There are more physical limitations on players like McDermott and Mirotic than Snell. But can Snell break through, which seems now more in attitude and desire?

8. DOES JAHLIL OKAFOR HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BOBBY PORTIS FOR ROOKIE OF THE YEAR?

Obviously not given the depth of the Bulls roster, which can probably match anyone’s. Under Thibodeau, Portis would likely have had little chance to play given the Bulls having one of the strongest front courts in the league. Yet, that would be understandable. It is about having that home court advantage as well. But you get the sense, especially having seen him in college, Hoiberg is intrigued by Portis’ all out play and shooting ability for a big man. It’s still difficult to see a regular role for him, but Taj Gibson’s ankle surgery likely will have him coming into the season slowly. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see Gibson playing much less early as Hoiberg seems inclined, with top assistant Jim Boylen from the Spurs staff, to follow the Spurs model of using the bench more often in the regular season to have players building toward the playoffs. Though the balancing act is not sacrificing too many regular season wins since teams don’t often climb from beyond the top two or three spots to the Finals.

9. CAN ROSE AND BUTLER GET ALONG?

This was the urban myth of last season. There really wasn’t anything to this supposed feud. But since everyone mentioned it there much have been something. It really was a dynamic not unusual with most teams and exacerbated some by Thibodeau. Given the playing time limitations placed on Rose, Thibodeau, obviously openly upset about it along with the restrictions on Noah, instead plotted much more offense for Gasol and Butler instead of Rose and Noah. It seemingly had a bit to do with Noah’s regression, but also put Rose and Butler at odds at times on the court with who should initiate the offense. Both are private off the court and spend time mostly with immediate family. But both have long shown in their actions a desire for team success first. Butler openly talked at USA Basketball in July of handling the ball more, which should help Rose as well since he likes to work on that three pointer off the ball. Of course, not everyone is thrilled seeing him take it. But Rose has shot it well at times and not having so much ball handling responsibility should help his legs and shooting. And though it’s supposedly anti-analytic, Rose’s mid range game is so good he should find space for that. Rose has worked more this summer on his floater and finishing, at which he surprisingly had some difficulties last season.

10. CAN ANYONE BEAT LEBRON AND THE CAVS?

If anyone can, it’s the Bulls. It’s tough to see anyone else in the Eastern Conference with a chance to knock off Cleveland. The Cavs had a great offseason adding Mo Williams, bringing back J.R. Smith and having Anderson Varejao return from injury. They are loaded. It’s hard to see Miami with its age and recovering players, Indiana with its makeover, Atlanta once again, the Wizards, Raptors or young Milwaukee make a run. The East will be better with teams like Orlando and new coach Scott Skiles, the Pistons with a second full season under Stan Van Gundy, and the Knicks with Carmelo Anthony back. But it’s not a done deal. The Bulls obviously had a great chance last spring with Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love hurt. But there are lingering issues with the Cavs. How will Love and Tristan Thompson fit? And Varajao? Smith with Iman Shumpert and Williams? Irving starting the season late after surgery and having been injured every season in his career including in high school? With Rose, the Bulls can match Irving. All-league defender Butler can play against LeBron. There’s Noah’s spirit and defiance, which you need against the Cavs. The Cavs were flummoxed against Gasol before Gasol was hurt. Gibson, Mirotic and Portis can match up with the Cavs’ power forwards. Kirk Hinrich with fewer minutes can play hard in those short spurts and Aaron Brooks with space can make shots. The Cavs are and deserve to be the favorites. If you have LeBron you should be, anyway. But let’s see Rose in his first chance to play like an MVP candidate since 2012 along with All-Stars Butler, Noah and Gasol. It’s time.

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/samsmith/10-questions-bulls-heading-2015-16

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RE: let's hear it for the hoi (bulls 15-16)
Sep 28th 2015
1
Butler's encore.
Sep 28th 2015
2
!
Sep 28th 2015
5
RE: let's hear it for the hoi (bulls 15-16)
Sep 28th 2015
3
Why can't I be really fucking good? © Derrick via Random
Sep 28th 2015
4
RE: let's hear it for the hoi (bulls 15-16)
Sep 28th 2015
6
lol no
Sep 28th 2015
7
on paper, still one of the best rosters in the league
Sep 29th 2015
8
^^^Yup...alladis
Sep 29th 2015
9
are ppl in chicago mad over rose talking about his next contract?
Sep 29th 2015
10
Bulls fans are used to Rose putting his foot in his mouth
Sep 29th 2015
11
Only meatheads/closet racists that dislike the guy
Sep 29th 2015
12
It's an age thing too.
Sep 29th 2015
14
I don't care.
Sep 29th 2015
16
these guys need to just shut up about each other
Sep 29th 2015
13
Hoiberg thinks Mirotic can play some 3.
Sep 29th 2015
15
shit...Rose catches a bow in prakdiss...needs surgery to his eye...
Sep 29th 2015
17
was it from jimmy?
Sep 29th 2015
23
Rose w/ orbital fracture. Surgery wednesday.
Sep 29th 2015
18
He's a bum! Made of glass! Trade his ass - Chicago Media/Most of fanbase
Sep 29th 2015
19
I'll say again...
Sep 29th 2015
20
RE: I'll say again...
Sep 29th 2015
21
RE: I'll say again...
Sep 29th 2015
22
      RE: I'll say again...
Sep 29th 2015
24
      RE: I'll say again...
Sep 29th 2015
26
           RE: I'll say again...
Sep 29th 2015
28
      Chill. He just got hit in the face.
Sep 29th 2015
27
He needs to be afforded a year (this year) to return to form.
Sep 29th 2015
25
RE: He needs to be afforded a year (this year) to return to form.
Sep 29th 2015
29
RE: He needs to be afforded a year (this year) to return to form.
Sep 30th 2015
31
      ok then, what's your dream scenario for a Rose trade?
Sep 30th 2015
32
           RE: ok then, what's your dream scenario for a Rose trade?
Sep 30th 2015
33
                RE: ok then, what's your dream scenario for a Rose trade?
Sep 30th 2015
34
                     RE: ok then, what's your dream scenario for a Rose trade?
Sep 30th 2015
36
Elton Brand status
Sep 30th 2015
35
RE: Rose w/ orbital fracture. Surgery wednesday.
Sep 29th 2015
30
Two-week timetable set for Derrick Rose's return
Sep 30th 2015
37
wow. modern nba offense.
Oct 06th 2015
38
all those open 3pt looks too.
Oct 07th 2015
39
That's Hoiberg's trademark.
Oct 07th 2015
40
      That sounds disasterious for the playoffs
Oct 07th 2015
42
           Dunleavy, McBuckets, Brooks, Butler, Mrotic sometimes Rose
Oct 07th 2015
43
           Dunleavy (48%) is our only 3pt "specialist"
Oct 07th 2015
45
           I expect Doug to play more and for Snell and Mirotic to improve.
Oct 07th 2015
46
           If he's smart
Oct 07th 2015
49
           Both Snell & McDermott are supposed to get PT.
Oct 07th 2015
50
           You must not have seen McBuckets last night
Oct 07th 2015
48
           He balled in Summer League too.
Oct 07th 2015
51
                It'll be Dougie. Snell looks like he's hit his ceiling
Oct 08th 2015
54
           mcdermott's the best 3pt shooter on the team by far.
Oct 08th 2015
53
                The only downside to Doug...
Oct 08th 2015
55
                     yeah, chicago's got the system and personnel to hide him.
Oct 08th 2015
56
           It's a big departure from Thibs
Oct 07th 2015
47
                RE: It's a big departure from Thibs
Oct 07th 2015
52
           Well, it didn't get him results in March in the NCAA...
Oct 07th 2015
44
McBuckets looking ready nm
Oct 07th 2015
41
What's your opening day lineup?
Oct 12th 2015
57
Noah's gotta be in there.
Oct 12th 2015
58
^^^This
Oct 12th 2015
59
If Doug continues to outplay Tony I hope he starts
Oct 12th 2015
60
noah and pau's minutes need to be staggered.
Oct 12th 2015
61
bobby portis.
Oct 12th 2015
62
Gonna be hard for Fred to keep him off the floor this season
Oct 12th 2015
63
no doubt...
Oct 13th 2015
67
^^^
Oct 13th 2015
64
I'm going to watch for him to extend his range to the 3-pt line.
Oct 13th 2015
70
yeah i figure he'll have a workable corner 3 by year 2.
Oct 13th 2015
71
Dude showed range in summer league.
Oct 13th 2015
74
portis is killing in the preseason (swipe)
Oct 14th 2015
80
Can Bulls find playing time for Portis? (swipe)
Oct 14th 2015
81
      knee jerk: Gibson gone by deadline?
Oct 14th 2015
83
           it's possible. likely even.
Oct 14th 2015
84
If they play d halfway as good as they did with Thibs, they will beast
Oct 13th 2015
65
RE: If they play d halfway as good as they did with Thibs, they will bea...
Oct 13th 2015
66
      lebron's 30.
Oct 13th 2015
68
      rose is 27
Oct 14th 2015
79
           i know.
Oct 14th 2015
82
                bron is bron tho...his game can go into his late 30s
Oct 21st 2015
87
                     ehh.
Oct 21st 2015
89
                          by the time bron fades, KY, TT and Love in the prime.
Oct 21st 2015
91
      I keep hearing this from certain NBA fans, and I'm puzzled.
Oct 13th 2015
69
      This particular team has this season.
Oct 13th 2015
73
           I'm sure this particular team will do what they can.
Oct 13th 2015
75
      Lol, who can stop Lebron?
Oct 13th 2015
72
      Spot on about rose, Dude has definitely had enough of the bullshit
Oct 13th 2015
76
           RE: Spot on about rose, Dude has definitely had enough of the bullshit
Oct 14th 2015
77
                I cant prove it but, part of the reason we were so banged up was Thibs.....
Oct 21st 2015
94
Mirotic at the 3 tonight.
Oct 14th 2015
78
Joakim Noah's California summer could make Bulls a contender
Oct 16th 2015
85
looks like pau-niko b/w jo-taj
Oct 21st 2015
86
makes sense. happy that fred sowed some balls here
Oct 21st 2015
88
RE: makes sense. happy that fred sowed some balls here
Oct 21st 2015
90
      RE: makes sense. happy that fred sowed some balls here
Oct 23rd 2015
100
           So you're tired of the Bulls gambling on Rose.
Oct 24th 2015
112
Y'all not worried about Gasol/Mirotic...
Oct 21st 2015
92
i'm not.
Oct 21st 2015
93
It's all about the spacing re: Niko
Oct 21st 2015
95
      the finishing five will be situational.
Oct 21st 2015
96
           This is true
Oct 21st 2015
97
                word.
Oct 24th 2015
111
RE: looks like pau-niko b/w jo-taj
Oct 21st 2015
98
noah ok with bench role.
Oct 23rd 2015
99
I'm not worried
Oct 23rd 2015
101
let's not
Oct 23rd 2015
102
RE: I'm not worried
Oct 23rd 2015
106
Unlike Thibs, Hoi seems to actually speak to players
Oct 23rd 2015
103
stuck in good but not great purgatory is a painful nba situation
Oct 23rd 2015
104
RE: stuck in good but not great purgatory is a painful nba situation
Oct 23rd 2015
105
derrick playing tonight
Oct 23rd 2015
107
He looked great. Everything we do still revolves around him.
Oct 23rd 2015
108
      Not sure about MVP, but All-Star definitely.
Oct 24th 2015
110
Important words from Derrick re: HOIBERG
Oct 23rd 2015
109
jimmy butler profile (chicago magazine)
Oct 26th 2015
113
HOIBERG: most all players' minutes in 25-32 range
Oct 26th 2015
114
http://giant.gfycat.com/RespectfulEverlastingEquestrian.gif
Oct 26th 2015
115
Anyone else think it should be Pau/Gibson and Noah/Mrotic?
Oct 26th 2015
116
.
Oct 26th 2015
117
E'Twaun Moore & Post Game Thoughts
Oct 28th 2015
118
The absence of Kirk was the biggest revelation
Oct 28th 2015
119
Benching Kirk = Made his money
Oct 28th 2015
120
      what I saw was more guys driving to the rim..
Oct 28th 2015
121
Wednesday - Bulls front court overcrowded /. Thursday Bulls are deep tea...
Oct 29th 2015
122
Z-LO DA GAWD: five minutes with the mayor (grantland swipe)
Oct 29th 2015
123
Bulls Pick Up Options On Tony Snell, Doug McDermott
Nov 01st 2015
124
Bulls seek local NBA Development League franchise in Hoffman Estates
Nov 01st 2015
125
Bulls win approval for D-League team in Hoffman Estates (swipe)
Nov 10th 2015
132
How much 3 can Nikola play?
Nov 01st 2015
126
Hornets hang 130 on the Bulls (SWIPE)
Nov 04th 2015
127
RE: Hornets hang 130 on the Bulls (SWIPE)
Nov 04th 2015
128
      RE: Hornets hang 130 on the Bulls (SWIPE)
Nov 04th 2015
129
Windhorst: The Derrick Rose/ Bulls Breakup has begun
Nov 05th 2015
130
Based on hearsay from random people around the league
Nov 05th 2015
131
CIRCUS TRIP.
Nov 14th 2015
133
RE: CIRCUS TRIP.
Nov 19th 2015
134
      really hoping Rose is healthy enough to play on Friday
Nov 19th 2015
135
      RE: really hoping Rose is healthy enough to play on Friday
Nov 19th 2015
137
      i'd be fairly surprised if rose isn't active friday night.
Nov 19th 2015
136
           RE: i'd be fairly surprised if rose isn't active friday night.
Nov 19th 2015
138
snell needs to be the starter.
Nov 24th 2015
139
So....
Dec 08th 2015
140
Coaching
Dec 08th 2015
141
ain't nothing wrong with the damn defense, man.
Dec 08th 2015
142
This too:
Dec 08th 2015
144
RE: ain't nothing wrong with the damn defense, man.
Dec 08th 2015
145
I thought we were supposed to be running. But we're plodding.
Dec 11th 2015
154
East closed, dogg. LMAO!
Dec 08th 2015
143
      RE: East closed, dogg. LMAO!
Dec 08th 2015
146
           HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
Dec 08th 2015
148
                RE: HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!
Dec 10th 2015
150
                     K
Dec 10th 2015
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                          RE: K
Dec 10th 2015
153
                               i mean, i ain't talking in circles with you all year...
Dec 11th 2015
155
THE CHICAGO BULLS ARE NOT GOOD (swipe)
Dec 08th 2015
147
RE: THE CHICAGO BULLS ARE NOT GOOD (swipe)
Dec 10th 2015
151
What has Hoiberg done to earn the benefit of the doubt?
Dec 08th 2015
149
Butler wants Hoiberg to hold team, himself accountable.
Dec 19th 2015
156
Free og Bobby portis
Dec 20th 2015
157
      RE: Free og Bobby portis
Dec 20th 2015
158
yeah, fuck this team.
Dec 21st 2015
159
http://s3.amazonaws.com/illroots3-images/articles/26523/image/1415048893...
Dec 21st 2015
160
RE: yeah, fuck this team.
Dec 22nd 2015
161
Zach Lowe
Dec 22nd 2015
162
Z-Lowe the gawd indeed. Everything is spot on
Dec 22nd 2015
163
^^^I think its time to think about blowing this shit up
Dec 24th 2015
165
Wilbon goes in...:
Dec 23rd 2015
164
And folks were...(Sporting News breakdown of Bulls' struggles)
Dec 24th 2015
166
Friedell made a good point on this podcast.
Dec 24th 2015
167
Um, Jimmy Butler has accomplished more than Hoiberg
Dec 25th 2015
168
The org is low key demonizing him, me thinks.
Dec 25th 2015
169
      Odd, cuz Jimmy was the anti-Rose before
Dec 25th 2015
170
we need jo. kind of badly
Jan 09th 2016
171
When Hoiberg put Gasol in w/ 7 min left..
Jan 11th 2016
172
Why is there no narrative about his IQ?
Jan 12th 2016
173
Entitlement minutes. So frustrating.
Jan 12th 2016
174
      RE: Entitlement minutes. So frustrating.
Jan 12th 2016
175
So Bulls r down to Philly right now....
Jan 14th 2016
176
Hoiberg get any blame, or naw?
Jan 14th 2016
177
      RE: Hoiberg get any blame, or naw?
Jan 14th 2016
178
           you got time now, cuz?
Jan 15th 2016
180
                RE: you got time now, cuz?
Jan 16th 2016
182
                     We not don't physical condition into account. He played
Jan 16th 2016
186
Yeah, fuck this team.
Jan 15th 2016
179
Which team that would trade for vets has trade worthy athletes?
Jan 15th 2016
181
this is the most frustrating Bulls team to watch since 07-08
Jan 16th 2016
183
      and with all of that said
Jan 16th 2016
184
      i just call it like i see it dula
Jan 16th 2016
189
      where i'm at:
Jan 17th 2016
194
           I'm with Dula but I have dash of mash's POV as well
Jan 18th 2016
196
                RE: I'm with Dula but I have dash of mash's POV as well
Jan 18th 2016
197
      For real. It's Year 1 with a roster he inherited.
Jan 16th 2016
191
      Who would have been a better choice?
Jan 16th 2016
185
           o so now we tryna defend the coach? Bwahahah
Jan 16th 2016
187
           Idgaf lol. Im asking him about his opinions
Jan 16th 2016
188
           I don't know, but Hoiberg came a year too early
Jan 16th 2016
190
Joakim out for the season, so Bulls about to lose Rose/Jo for nothing
Jan 16th 2016
192
Noah out 4-6 months.
Jan 16th 2016
193
RE: Noah out 4-6 months.
Jan 17th 2016
195
seems like bron regards chicago more highly than a lot of their fans do.
Jan 20th 2016
198
Dude shot 39% & committed 27 TOs with a HEALTHY Kyrie vs. Jimmy
Jan 20th 2016
199
if this team decides to stop with the mental flatulence I think we can
Jan 20th 2016
200
RE: seems like bron regards chicago more highly than a lot of their fans...
Jan 20th 2016
201
Going to acknowledge an elephant in the room here
Jan 25th 2016
202
RE: Going to acknowledge an elephant in the room here
Jan 26th 2016
203
Derrick does the same thing too
Jan 26th 2016
204
      RE: Derrick does the same thing too
Jan 26th 2016
205
When it rains......Niko Out.....
Jan 28th 2016
206
Bulls....
Feb 01st 2016
207
ball sticks too much. defense is lazy too often.
Feb 02nd 2016
208
Looks like Jimmy hasn't been spared by the curse of the Thibs era
Feb 05th 2016
209
RE: Looks like Jimmy hasn't been spared by the curse of the Thibs era
Feb 06th 2016
210
Do you understand structural vs acute injuries?
Feb 06th 2016
212
      RE: Do you understand structural vs acute injuries?
Feb 06th 2016
213
      He had missed the previous game w/bad left knee after 47 min on B2B
Feb 09th 2016
216
      Let me answer that for you: no.
Feb 09th 2016
220
Well, may be time to just start from scratch....
Feb 06th 2016
211
We're 0-2 against Minnesota. Minnesota has won 16 games.
Feb 06th 2016
214
RE: We're 0-2 against Minnesota. Minnesota has won 16 games.
Feb 07th 2016
215
Tony Allen/Jeff Green for Snell/Noah's expiring contract
Feb 09th 2016
218
      makes too much sense for the Bulls.
Feb 09th 2016
219
Jimmy will miss 3-4 weeks with strained knee
Feb 09th 2016
217
alright Bulls fans, what are your thoughts at All Star break?
Feb 11th 2016
221
RE: alright Bulls fans, what are your thoughts at All Star break?
Feb 11th 2016
222
According to Gar, Gasol is part of the core.
Feb 18th 2016
223
RE: According to Gar, Gasol is part of the core.
Feb 18th 2016
224
      This summed it up for me.
Feb 18th 2016
225
           The core is Jimmy and an engaged Derrick.
Feb 19th 2016
226
why have we averaged many assists since Jimmy went down?
Feb 25th 2016
227
Hm.
Feb 25th 2016
228
      Dunny makes the difference
Feb 25th 2016
229
wow. fuck this team.
Mar 24th 2016
230
there are some losses that push this post to pg.1
Mar 24th 2016
231
Oh you WOULD blame a black coach, though.
Mar 24th 2016
232
thanks for those Knicks losses - Pistons
Mar 25th 2016
234
lose a home and home to the knicks??? wow
Mar 25th 2016
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Jimmy Butler needs knee surgery.
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RE: Jimmy Butler needs knee surgery.
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Bulls gave up almost 70 points in the 1st half..
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when they miss the playoffs, it's time to fire BarfPacks
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           Not sure how plugged in Nick Friedell is but...
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God this post title is corny as fuck lol. That's all I came to say.
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http://i.imgur.com/AFNm9hU.gif
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so much wrong I don't know where to start.
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relic1203
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1. "RE: let's hear it for the hoi (bulls 15-16)"
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I'm geeked for this season. This team will be good, but I'm not sure they can break through Bron & them, & even if they do, they'll probably get massacred in the finals, by any one of these Western Conference teams.

MDJ & Taj being down for the first part of the season might be a great thing for this team. We'll get to see what we have in the rook, & whether or not we can get at least replacement level play from either of the young wings. I really want to like Snelly, he's shown flashes, & I think there's a player in there somewhere, but the inconsistencies are maddening, & McNickName... I just don't see it. Maybe the Mayor can get something out of him.

I hope we let the young guys play good minutes to start the year, I'd rather lose a couple games getting them good experience than go into the post-break run trying to get them ready for the 'Offs.

Here's to another year of GarPax being relatively mediocre. I just don't understand their reticence, or inability to take any kind of risk whatsoever. The moves they've made since they let Omer go, & broke up the bench mob have not made much sense.

  

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2. "Butler's encore."
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Really excited to see how he follows up last year.
Is it possible he's added something more to his game?
A more consistent jumper maybe?

Rose is still a superstar in my book. It'll be interesting how Hoiberg uses both him and Butler. When healthy, they're the best back court in the NBA. No disrespect to the Warriors and Wizards.

Gasol looked great overseas. Still think Hoiberg should keep his minutes down.

Can't wait for that first game against LeBron, Kyrie and Love.

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5. "!"
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When healthy, they're
>the best back court in the NBA. No disrespect to the Warriors

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3. "RE: let's hear it for the hoi (bulls 15-16)"
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http://33.media.tumblr.com/ad72608986d838fc70c93f4fdfc6d5c2/tumblr_mkdw7gfkaW1s9v4ozo1_400.gif

____________________________________________________


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4. "Why can't I be really fucking good? © Derrick via Random"
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1. First time in years he's had a full season to focus on improving his game while not rehabbing. This will help.

2. Contrary to popular belief, he showcased elite athleticism and speed last year. He still has *it," though his task this year is to be consistent and smarter with said *it.* Last year we saw a man that barely played basketball for two seasons. Inconsistent with everything, including his conditioning. Highly doubt he has the same inconsistencies this year once everyone settles in with Hoiberg and his system.

3. He'll be 27 in October. He's not 34. He's got at least three years of Prime left. His knees can't get much more fucked up either. In short, he's not washed up and is still probably better (as of right today) than 85% of the PG's in the league.

4. Hoiberg's offensive mind >>> Thibs' meathead mind. I don't even need to see Fred coach a pro game to know this. Everyone, including Derrick, will benefit.

  

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6. "RE: let's hear it for the hoi (bulls 15-16)"
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Could this year be similar for the Bulls to the season the Warriors had last year when Kerr replaced Mark Jackson?

Kind of addition by subtraction?

  

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7. "lol no"
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8. "on paper, still one of the best rosters in the league"
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Last season they really underachieved and went out like some bitches in the playoffs. There was clearly something going on behind the scenes that affected the team chemistry. Let's hope firing Thibs and bringing in a more likeable, offensive minded coach will fix those issues.

I've learned to temper my expectations as a Bulls fan, but they COULD win a Championship this year, which is good enough for me. For that to happen though, they'll need a lot of things to go right:

- Healthy come playoff time.

- Niko/Doug/Snell need to make a large jump in their games to the point where at least 2 of them are consistently contributing.

- The defense has to be elite level again. I'm expecting Pacers' 2011 style defense with Jim Boylen.

- Rose & Butler need to develop more chemistry. I don't buy that there's a beef going on, but they haven't had a chance yet to learn how to play off each other. This was an issue in last year's playoffs and something they'll have to work on.

- Jo has to return to being a difference maker on the court. He's supposedly healthy and feeling good, so I'm optimistic.

I expect Pau, Rose, and Butler to all have big seasons. Not really worried about them and excited to see how Rose looks after a summer of training instead of rehab.

One week til preseason tips off and that Bucks opener will be a good one. OKS been boring the shit outta me with all this baseball and football talk, bring on the NBA madness.

  

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9. "^^^Yup...alladis"
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>- Rose & Butler need to develop more chemistry. I don't buy
>that there's a beef going on, but they haven't had a chance
>yet to learn how to play off each other. This was an issue in
>last year's playoffs and something they'll have to work on.

Bron and Wade had this problem in year one. Not so much year 2. I think they figure it out this year. It might make both of them better but will probably result in Jimmy scoring more and Rose score more efficiently.

>- Jo has to return to being a difference maker on the court.
>He's supposedly healthy and feeling good, so I'm optimistic.

^^^Top priority to ANY championship aspirations. He played like boo-boo last year...injury or not. We can't play 4 on 5 anymore. He has to be 2013 Jo or close to it for us to have a shot.

>I expect Pau, Rose, and Butler to all have big seasons. Not
>really worried about them and excited to see how Rose looks
>after a summer of training instead of rehab.

Pau was beasting this summer. We should focus on keeping him healthy and limiting his minutes early. Gradually increasing them a lil toward the end of the year to prep for the 'offs.

>One week til preseason tips off and that Bucks opener will be
>a good one. OKS been boring the shit outta me with all this
>baseball and football talk, bring on the NBA madness.

Amen!

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10. "are ppl in chicago mad over rose talking about his next contract?"
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he said he had tunnel vision on basketball and his son
should of left it there
all that extra shit about getting another big contract and feeding his family sounded real sprewell'ish (from a pr pov)

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11. "Bulls fans are used to Rose putting his foot in his mouth"
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he's not ummmmm...the brightest ummm...starburst in the umm...bag man.

as long as he competes and continues to lead and improve on the court then I couldn't care less about what poorly worded soundbyte Chicago sports writers want to bitch about.

  

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12. "Only meatheads/closet racists that dislike the guy"
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And there are too many Chicagoans that dislike him due to the injury history and games missed. The standard "if he was a hockey player he would be playing thru a torn ACL" type of meathead. He'll end up with the Lakers eventually.

He basically said that there is a shit ton of money being thrown around the league and of course he wants to get a piece of the pie so he's thinking about it. He shouldn't have said shit (dude is still not comfortable in front of the mic after all these years), but what he said isn't much different from any employee in any industry voicing their wish for a future pay raise.


>he said he had tunnel vision on basketball and his son
>should of left it there
>all that extra shit about getting another big contract and
>feeding his family sounded real sprewell'ish (from a pr pov)

  

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14. "It's an age thing too."
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I can always tell when my ol' man has been listening to sports radio because he'll text me saying "Rose is a bum. They should trade him."

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16. "I don't care."
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I just want him to have a solid year.

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13. "these guys need to just shut up about each other"
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even if it didnt mean shit. Saying stuff allows the media spin agenda.


Say something nice or dont say it al (c) Bambis mom



Butler on Rose’s contract comments: "He can talk about unicorns and rainbows for all I care. Just help us win some basketball games.’’Beat Writer (twitter.com)

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15. "Hoiberg thinks Mirotic can play some 3."
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You can read the rest in the link below but I'm thinking with Dunleavy out Hoiberg may have a frontline that has Gasol, Noah and Mirotic. You can understand my reservation because that experiment didn't work so well last year.

Hoiberg gives his Bulls scouting report
http://blogs.bulls.com/2015/09/hoiberg-gives-his-bulls-scouting-report/

Nikola Mirotic: “Niko is going to have a big role. There’s no doubt about that. What that role is, I don’t know yet. Whether he’s starting or coming off the bench, it really doesn’t matter to me. Niko’s skill set fits in very well with how we like to play. I think you can play him some at the three. And especially with the way the league is going, you can play him at power forward a lot as well. Niko’s one of the more versatile players in this league because he’s very good on the block and also shoots the heck out of the ball.”

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17. "shit...Rose catches a bow in prakdiss...needs surgery to his eye..."
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http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/derrick-rose-injury-update-0

...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

  

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23. "was it from jimmy?"
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18. "Rose w/ orbital fracture. Surgery wednesday."
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What else is new?

DERRICK ROSE HAS LEFT ORBITAL FRACTURE
The Bulls guard took an elbow to the face during today's practice and suffered a left orbital fracture. He will have surgery Wednesday, which is when the team will determine how long he is out of action.

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19. "He's a bum! Made of glass! Trade his ass - Chicago Media/Most of fanbase"
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Worst case scenario (I assume) is that he misses a majority of the preseason. He should be able to keep up with his conditioning at least.

Sucks that this delays the Jimmy/Derrick/Fred building phase, but this far from the end of the world.

I really hope dude balls so very hard and fucks shit up this year.

  

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20. "I'll say again..."
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Rose is my dude. Hometown kid...Has shown guts coming back from career ending injuries......

But if u r a true Bulls fan and not just a fan of a one player on the team then u know what we have to do. We have to see what we can get for Pooh while hea still relatively young...Love the guy but we got to move on....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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21. "RE: I'll say again..."
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>
>
>Rose is my dude. Hometown kid...Has shown guts coming back
>from career ending injuries......
>
>But if u r a true Bulls fan and not just a fan of a one player
>on the team then u know what we have to do. We have to see
>what we can get for Pooh while hea still relatively
>young...Love the guy but we got to move on....

Because of an orbital fracture? You're out your damn mind.

  

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22. "RE: I'll say again..."
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U think this about an orbital fracture?...

Like for real?....Its the cherry on top for a player I have been riding for since he was in high school..

I dont think Derrick will ever play a whole season again..His latest injury is beyond the point...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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24. "RE: I'll say again..."
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>U think this about an orbital fracture?...
>
>Like for real?....Its the cherry on top for a player I have
>been riding for since he was in high school..
>
>I dont think Derrick will ever play a whole season again..His
>latest injury is beyond the point...

That's just some fatalistic bullshit. This injury has nothing to do with a)his knee, b) how injury prone he is (this just some random shit probably caused by Kirk being OC, and C) has no bearing on his ability to play a whole season again.

There's literally no reason to think he can't play a whole season unless you're convinced he's just cursed or something. If this was a knee or some other breakdown of his body, you'd maybe have a point. It isn't, so you don't.

Cats kill me with this let's trade him because he's been injured bs. Like his contract is tradeable, we'd get anything close to value in return, and nevermind the fact that he hasn't even been given a season following a summer of training instead of rehab. Ya'll gotta really hold your horses on that shit.

  

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26. "RE: I'll say again..."
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Man...Im the biggest supporter of Rose on this board...Ive battled it out with the usual heads...In other words u r coming late to the party and truly living up to your login name...

If I took such things seriously I would be insulted by your clueless post...


Im a Bulls fan first....Thats it...

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28. "RE: I'll say again..."
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>
>Man...Im the biggest supporter of Rose on this board...Ive
>battled it out with the usual heads...In other words u r
>coming late to the party and truly living up to your login
>name...
>
>If I took such things seriously I would be insulted by your
>clueless post...
>
>
>Im a Bulls fan first....Thats it...

Man, I've been here for years. Save me with the coming late to the party bs. I've seen years of arguments between you and Basa about Rose.

  

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27. "Chill. He just got hit in the face. "
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You shouldn't be too concerned about a player getting hit in the face. Shit happens sometimes. Be different if he broke his wrist.....*knock on wood*

  

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25. "He needs to be afforded a year (this year) to return to form. "
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Any talk about trades right now is unfair.

Love the rest of the guys on our team but nobody can match Derrick's offensive repetoire... even if he is 80% of what he once was. You don't trade that. Especially when the guy still has room to grow. If the knee injuries persist he walks after 2017. But you dont trade a former MVP coming into a season healthy with a shit load to prove and a whole lot of people to shut up.

And this orbital fracture is irrelevant.

  

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29. "RE: He needs to be afforded a year (this year) to return to form. "
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>Any talk about trades right now is unfair.
>
>Love the rest of the guys on our team but nobody can match
>Derrick's offensive repetoire... even if he is 80% of what he
>once was. You don't trade that. Especially when the guy still
>has room to grow. If the knee injuries persist he walks after
>2017. But you dont trade a former MVP coming into a season
>healthy with a shit load to prove and a whole lot of people to
>shut up.
>
>And this orbital fracture is irrelevant.


^^^^^^gets it^^^^^^^^^^^^^

  

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31. "RE: He needs to be afforded a year (this year) to return to form. "
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Life is unfair...

Rose has missed 212 games out of 312 games since being name MVP. .The Bulls havent been out of the second round in four seasons.

And Im saying all this as one of Rose's biggest boosters on this board. The truth is if Pooh understood that his injuries meant that he would have let go of being the Bulls main guy then I would have no problem holding on to him. He still shows flashes of being an exceptional talent. But its hard to depend on such a talent to lead u to a CHIP when he's coming off of knee surgeries that more than enough takes away from his trump card: HIS ATHLETICISM....

Again the eye injury is just a slap in the face compared to the more serious issues. Like the fact that the Bulls struggled to beat a hobbled and depleted Cavs team yet again...I dont say these things with a smile on my face. I am not at all happy to talk about moving on fromm a player that has such a special bond with MY hometown.

But when your franchise player struggles to play full seasons, is coming off serious knee injuries as a point guard who needs his physical tools to thrive AND shows questionable common sense with his "lifestyle" comments concerning a gangbang that even if it was on the up and up, showed my dude can easily be trapped in some bullshit its time to look at every option...

I am a Derrick Rose STAN...

But Im even a bigger Bulls fan...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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32. "ok then, what's your dream scenario for a Rose trade?"
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While I understand your arguments, the way I see it Rose is considered an uncertainty in the league right now. As in, all teams are unsure of his productivity, not to mention his offcourt situation, and would be unwilling to trade valuable assets for a contract that lasts two years.

So if we were to trade him before 2017 free agency, when would you want the the Bulls to do it and realistically what pieces do you think we would get back that would bring more to the team than what Rose does?

Seeing the FO's trade history, Rose's situation, and the status of other teams in the league, I can't argue that it's a smart move to trade Rose. Might as well let him finish his contract, see where his play is at, and move on accordingly from there.

  

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33. "RE: ok then, what's your dream scenario for a Rose trade?"
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There is no dream scenario when trading such a great yet confounding talent like Rose. We will most likely get hosed no matter. If we could link up with a desperate team like a Charlotte or another cellar dweller looking to get a true star and we can get a top 10 draft pick, I would be down with that.

But thats a big IF....

The tough question we should be asking ourselves is this: How much would the Bulls miss Pooh at this point? Would we be ousted out of the 1st or 2nd round again paying and depending on him like he is our franchise player?

I say its a wash at this point....

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34. "RE: ok then, what's your dream scenario for a Rose trade?"
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>
>
>There is no dream scenario when trading such a great yet
>confounding talent like Rose. We will most likely get hosed no
>matter. If we could link up with a desperate team like a
>Charlotte or another cellar dweller looking to get a true star
>and we can get a top 10 draft pick, I would be down with that.
>
>
>But thats a big IF....
>
>The tough question we should be asking ourselves is this: How
>much would the Bulls miss Pooh at this point? Would we be
>ousted out of the 1st or 2nd round again paying and depending
>on him like he is our franchise player?
>
>I say its a wash at this point....

So you're cool with getting hosed for no reason? That makes absolutely no sense.

You ride it out, see what he can do until the end of the contract and then go from there.

Trading him for pennies on the dollar accomplishes absolutely nothing. It ain't like you're freeing up space to bring in a superstar. You'd still be biding time until whatever bad contract you received is off the books.

There is no logical argument for trading him now. It's a 100% emotional response with no rational backing.

  

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36. "RE: ok then, what's your dream scenario for a Rose trade?"
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>>
>>
>>There is no dream scenario when trading such a great yet
>>confounding talent like Rose. We will most likely get hosed
>no
>>matter. If we could link up with a desperate team like a
>>Charlotte or another cellar dweller looking to get a true
>star
>>and we can get a top 10 draft pick, I would be down with
>that.
>>
>>
>>But thats a big IF....
>>
>>The tough question we should be asking ourselves is this:
>How
>>much would the Bulls miss Pooh at this point? Would we be
>>ousted out of the 1st or 2nd round again paying and
>depending
>>on him like he is our franchise player?
>>
>>I say its a wash at this point....
>
>So you're cool with getting hosed for no reason? That makes
>absolutely no sense.
>
>You ride it out, see what he can do until the end of the
>contract and then go from there.
>
>Trading him for pennies on the dollar accomplishes absolutely
>nothing. It ain't like you're freeing up space to bring in a
>superstar. You'd still be biding time until whatever bad
>contract you received is off the books.
>
>There is no logical argument for trading him now. It's a 100%
>emotional response with no rational backing.


Im not cool with any thought of moving Rose. At all.

But if u think Im being emotional about this then u really havent been paying attention to my posts on the matter.

Its not about accepting getting a bad deal for Pooh. Its about dealing with reality. Im worried about my teams future than anything else. I want the Bulls to win it all...

The stats with and without Pooh and his injury history r what they r...

We should not be going around like a drunk salesman pitching a trade for a PG struggling to stay on floor. But if someone gives us a high draft pick or a decent haul back we should jump on it. The irony is to do so would mean the Bulls franchise would be acting very unemotional...Not emotional as u claim....

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35. "Elton Brand status"
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30. "RE: Rose w/ orbital fracture. Surgery wednesday."
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God really be testing this nigga

  

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37. "Two-week timetable set for Derrick Rose's return"
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-derrick-rose-orbital-surgery-20150930-story.html

Two-week timetable set for Derrick Rose's return
K.C. Johnson
September 30, 2015, 3:56 PM

Bulls coach Fred Hoiberg said Derrick Rose's Wednesday surgery to repair his fractured left orbital bone went "as expected" and didn't rule out Rose's participation in the Oct. 27 season opener against the Cavaliers.

The Bulls estimated Rose will be able to resume basketball activities in two weeks. Previous NBA examples and medical experts said the range is from two to six weeks.

Rose suffered the injury when he took an accidental elbow to the face in the first practice of the season on Tuesday.

"It’s not a structural injury," Hoiberg said. "When he comes back ready to go, he should be able to go right back into it 100 percent, which if you have something going on with one of your other body parts it’s going to be you gradually get back. You know, 50 percent load and then move all the way up from mid-restriction. I don’t anticipate that in his case this will happen with this eye injury as soon as he’s cleared to play."

Hoiberg said Rose will be with the team during training camp and no determination has been made on whether Rose will wear a mask upon his return.

"He’s still going to be here in practice; he’ll still be learning," Hoiberg said. "Hopefully it’s an injury that won’t keep him out too long. He’s in great shape. We don’t know how much he’ll be able to do even when he’s in his recovery mode, but he’ll still be here learning. So we’ll go as expected, as far as putting our stuff in."

Hoiberg said point guards Kirk Hinrich, Aaron Brooks and E'Twaun Moore would handle Rose's responsibilities if he misses time. Players said they expect Rose to recover quickly.

"It’s not the end of the world. He’ll be back in no time," Joakim Noah said. "I texted with him (Tuesday) night. It is what it is. But this team is in good spirits. Things like that happen. I know he’s really hungry to come in and help lead this team."

  

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38. "wow. modern nba offense."
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jarring to watch.

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39. "all those open 3pt looks too."
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butler facilitating.

definitely a different look.

kinda want to see how it looks with rose & gasol.

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40. "That's Hoiberg's trademark."
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As someone who watched roughly thirty Iowa State games in the last two seasons, it's a sea of wide-open 3s. It's very live-and-die-by-the-3, but it's fast-tempo, high-scoring, and a lot of fun to watch.

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42. "That sounds disasterious for the playoffs"
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if the roster doesn't have dependable outside shooters. Isn't that pretty much what the Hawks tried last year?

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43. "Dunleavy, McBuckets, Brooks, Butler, Mrotic sometimes Rose"
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We got plenty of people that can hit the shot...and with the spacing Gasol and Gibson will cause in the middle.....its going to be an interesting year.

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45. "Dunleavy (48%) is our only 3pt "specialist""
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...and he's out until possibly the all star break.

The rest? Eh.

Snell 33%
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46. "I expect Doug to play more and for Snell and Mirotic to improve."
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Snell was pretty good by his junior year of college at the 3 ball. He could get that up to 37-38%. Which, at the volume this team will shoot 3s, along Butler and Doug, would almost certainly suffice.

If they don't improve, I imagine he'd make a move or two to bring in more specialists.

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49. "If he's smart"
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he'll adjust in the playoffs and use those three point looks to open things up so Rose and Butler can create easier by driving to the bucket or dish off to Noah or Gasol easier. Living or dying strictly by 3's against LeBron, Kyrie, and Love in a seven game series will not end well. At all.

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50. "Both Snell & McDermott are supposed to get PT."
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So like you suggest, with more touches I hope their percentages and confidence increases. It's just during the Thibs era we only saw Snell in spurts, McDermott barely at all. I'm glad we're running something that gets people open but until Dunleavy gets back I'm still not sure we have the guys to hit those shots regularly.

I mean we HAD Korver but... (ha)

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48. "You must not have seen McBuckets last night"
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that boy went ham. Granted...he was going against the 2nd unit...but with the spacing I saw...it's only going to get better with Gasol and D Rose commanding attention. I've got my eye on him....he's going to be a sleeper.

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51. "He balled in Summer League too."
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Not from deep.

Again, I need a larger sample size. I hope either him or Snell can be that guy that keeps defenses honest.

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54. "It'll be Dougie. Snell looks like he's hit his ceiling"
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Key Bench contributor with above average D.

Dougie, tho? He's looking like a starter.

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53. "mcdermott's the best 3pt shooter on the team by far."
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both sam smith and hoiberg say that in practice he regularly hits 25 or 30 in a row without touching the rim. his struggles last season were mental. the "midseason surgery x thibs" combo killed his confidence. he'll be fine.

saw a lot of ppl this past summer on bulls blogs and msg boards suggesting that dude was a bust and the team should move him. that's crazy.

let them trade dude, and 3 yrs from now he's leading the league in 3s and playing a pivotal role on a top 4 seed just like korver, and those exact same ppl will be complaining about "remind me again why we traded doug? garpax are idiots"

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55. "The only downside to Doug..."
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... is obviously his defense. In college, he was pretty much a net negative on the defensive end. He has a decent nose for the defensive boards, but other than that...

... but then again, so was Dellavedova in college. Yet when he got to the pros and didn't have to carry the offensive load of his team anymore, his defense got much better. Maybe Dougie will be the same. It's not like the Bulls would ask him to do anything more than "don't suck."

Hoiberg doesn't really emphasize defense anyway. He emphasizes the fast break and he emphasizes hitting offensive boards. He dares the opponent to try to outrun and out-uptempo his teams, and he doesn't let his players foul and send the other team to the stripe. So I doubt it'd be much of an issue either way.

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56. "yeah, chicago's got the system and personnel to hide him."
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i doubt he'll see many floor minutes w/o either butler or snell to cover the opponent's best wing threat. and every team's got a non scorer like shumpert or thabo that you can feel safe switching him onto.

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47. "It's a big departure from Thibs"
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I'll give you that. Looks like management made a statement going with Hoiberg in that sense. With the injuries the Cavs are dealing with and no Tristan Thompson on the roster (for now), I wonder if it's possible for the Bulls to have a better regular season record, assuming Rose and Noah are 100% healthy and the Bulls hit a huge number of three pointers. I dunno if that will matter against a healthy trio of LeBron, Irving, and Love in the playoffs, but I suppose that for a whole other thread altogether.

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52. "RE: It's a big departure from Thibs"
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With the injuries the Cavs
>are dealing with and no Tristan Thompson on the roster (for
>now), I wonder if it's possible for the Bulls to have a better
>regular season record, assuming Rose and Noah are 100% healthy
>and the Bulls hit a huge number of three pointers.

Going into the playoffs healthy is all I'm concerned about.

But yeah, I think we could get a leg up on the division with Cleveland not being 100%. I think the Bulls may lose some trying to go through growing pains of this 2nd unit.

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44. "Well, it didn't get him results in March in the NCAA..."
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... though to be fair, the year I thought they could go all the way they lost Georges Niang to a broken leg. I still think they could've maybe done it.

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41. "McBuckets looking ready nm"
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57. "What's your opening day lineup?"
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In fact, who do you want to see, and who do you think will actually be there?

WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE

Gasol
Mirotic
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Rose

WHAT WILL HAPPEN

Gasol
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58. "Noah's gotta be in there."
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Hoiberg loves his offensive rebounding bammas. They're essential to his offense.

Noah/Gasol/McDermott/Butler/Rose.

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59. "^^^This"
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60. "If Doug continues to outplay Tony I hope he starts"
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Doug has the ability to be one hell of a wild card. If he can replicate apprx. 75% of the offensive swag/confidence he's shown this preseason during the regular season we'll be in great shape.

Not sure about the frontline, though. Need to see how the rest of the preseason plays out with Noah. Them knee's still look questionable.

  

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61. "noah and pau's minutes need to be staggered."
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they're both centers, and the team has 3 rotation-worthy power forwards (mirotic, gibson, portis)

however, i don't think that means you can't start both noah and pau. just play them together the first 5 min of the 1st and 3rd, and stagger them @ center otherwise. that's ~25 mpg apiece, and you can ramp that up when the rotation shortens down the stretch run and into the postseason.

mcdermott should get the first shot at MDJ's vacant wing spot. if mirotic is coming off the bench then the starting unit needs doug's floor spacing more than the reserves do.

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62. "bobby portis."
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what a find (another in the long line of garpax's late 1st / 2nd rd discoveries)

that kid's gonna be really good.

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63. "Gonna be hard for Fred to keep him off the floor this season "
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At the same time it's gonna be hard for Fred to keep him on the floor.

The problems of a deep team.

>what a find (another in the long line of garpax's late 1st /
>2nd rd discoveries)
>
>that kid's gonna be really good.

  

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67. "no doubt..."
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but he's 20. his time will come.

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64. "^^^"
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70. "I'm going to watch for him to extend his range to the 3-pt line."
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He showed the capability to do so at Arkansas in flashes, and certainly his mid-range ball is very effective. If he can hit a 3 per game, or at least make it enough to keep defenses even more honest, it'll spread the floor even more-- and I think he could do it, especially under Hoiberg's tutelage. He's been great about helping bigger guys hit 3s efficiently.

I think he's sort of a perfect fit for this system-- his weaknesses (finessed post game on offense, rebounding on the defensive end, etc) aren't really things that are necessary in Hoiberg's style of play, while his strengths (super high motor, jump shooting, offensive rebounding) all are.

He should be a nice role player for years to come.

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71. "yeah i figure he'll have a workable corner 3 by year 2."
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the fundies are there. now it's just getting the reps in.

noah loves the kid btw. already taken him under his wing lol.

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74. "Dude showed range in summer league."
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But I've been happy with his energy on the court.
I have this feeling Noah has been in his ear during practice.

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80. "portis is killing in the preseason (swipe)"
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http://www.blogabull.com/2015/10/13/9521577/bulls-rookie-bobby-portis-is-killing-in-the-preseason

When the Bulls selected Bobby Portis with the No. 22 overall pick in the 2015 NBA Draft, I pleaded for patience. The Bulls had an obvious need in the backcourt and could also have used another wing, but the selection of Portis was never about the present.

With Joakim Noah, Pau Gasol, Taj Gibson and Nikola Mirotic already entrenched in the front court and fighting for playing time, it didn't seem like there would be much of an opportunity for the 6'11 Portis in his rookie season. But while it's dangerous to draw too many conclusions from preseason games, the initial returns on Portis have already been so impressive that he may be forcing his way into a role this season after all.

In his fourth preseason game against the Pelicans on Monday night, Portis played his best game yet. He dropped 20 points, grabbed 11 rebounds and blocked three shots. His per-36 minute numbers right now: 17.5 points, 17.1 rebounds, 6.6 offensive rebounds, 2.1 assists and 1.7 blocks per game.

The first thing that really stands out for Portis is his energy. He runs the floor hard every play, he's been tenacious on the offensive glass and he doesn't seem to share any of the same rookie jitters that plagued Doug McDermott throughout last season.

His jump-shooting has left an even bigger impression. Anyone who watched Portis as he won SEC Player of the Year last season at Arkansas knew he had a nice stroke, but the NBA line has intimidated more accomplished shooters. Yes, Portis hit 46.7 percent of his threes last year in college, but he only attempted 30 all season. That's why the ability he's shown thus far to take and make NBA threes from anywhere on the court has been so impressive.

Portis hit both of his three-pointers on Monday, with each coming above the break. He's now made 3-of-7 attempts from downtown through four games.

There's still no need to rush Portis. He's 20 years old, and his time will come eventually. Noah, Gasol and Gibson won't end up playing all 82 games. Portis will get on the court one way or another, and he's already shown he has the size and skill set to be a contributor.

Portis was never supposed to be around at No. 22, and the Bulls should consider themselves extremely fortunate that he was. This very well could be your center of the future, and the next in the long line of late Bulls draft picks to come in and make an impact. It's obviously early, but Bobby Portis has been that good already.

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81. "Can Bulls find playing time for Portis? (swipe)"
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http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20151013/sports/151019527/

The Bulls expect to have Joakim Noah and Taj Gibson back in the lineup for Wednesday's preseason game against Detroit at the United Center.

Noah skipped the last two games after taking a hard fall against Denver last week, while Gibson has yet to play in preseason as he recovers from ankle surgery in June.

As the Bulls get closer to full strength, a problem arises. One of their best players in preseason has been rookie Bobby Portis, who happens to play the crowded power forward spot.

Portis ranks third in the NBA in rebounding during preseason with 12.3 per game. He led the Bulls with 20 points in Monday's 123-115 loss to New Orleans.

"Surprised? No. I prepared myself for this situation. I prepared myself to be a good NBA player someday," Portis said after Tuesday's practice. "I always stayed composed, stayed level headed. It's not being surprised, it's being ready for your moment. When coach puts me out there, the only thing to do is play hard."

A good comparison for Portis' preseason play might be LaMarcus Aldridge, who puts more effort into rebounding. Portis is good at that faceup jumper, sometimes extending all the way to the 3-point line. He hit 8-of-12 shots against the Pelicans, including 2-for-2 from behind the arc.

Portis has earned some playing time, but how will he get it? The Bulls can mix up their big men, but Noah, Gibson, Pau Gasol and Nikola Mirotic already stand in front of him on the depth chart.

"He is making it hard, there's no doubt about it," coach Fred Hoiberg said of Portis. "I've said since Day One that my biggest job is going to be to figure out a rotation and try to get everybody to buy into roles.

"It's going to be tough. A lot of guys deserve to play. Taj and Jo had very good practices today. Bobby was good again. Obviously, we know what Niko and Pau can do. We have a lot of people we can throw out there."

There are a couple potential solutions. One is to play Mirotic at small forward, something he was able to do with success last season. Another is to take a page from San Antonio's playbook and give some of the older starters planned rest. If Gasol, Noah and Gibson skip five games each during the regular season, that opens 15 chances for Portis to play heavy minutes, in addition to whatever injuries pop up during the 82-game grind.

Portis was asked Tuesday how he would deal with limited playing time when the regular season arrives.

"Of course it'll be tough, but that's all players," he said. "I feel like all great players have to go though adversity to go somewhere. If I want to be a great player it'll happen to me someday. Everything isn't peaches and cream. You can't come in and be LeBron or KD. I just have to be myself. I can't worry about minutes, can't worry about playing. I can just take it a day at a time."

In the meantime, Portis is using preseason as good preparation for battle. He's quickly become a fan favorite at the United Center for his hustle and he took on a trash-talking Kevin Garnett when the Bulls played Minnesota last Saturday.

At first, Portis said he couldn't repeat anything Garnett told him because it was too explicit. He finally edited one line for a family audience.

"He was talking about, 'Grown man business right here, boy. I'm 40 and you're 20,'" Portis said with a smile.

"I loved it. That kind of taught me some good things I can do. I might put that in my game and talk a little trash. I like that. I think he kind of did that just to fire himself up and get his teammates going off."

Based on preseason so far, Portis might be ready for some for some of that grown-man business on opening night

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83. "knee jerk: Gibson gone by deadline?"
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84. "it's possible. likely even."
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mirotic and portis are the future.

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65. "If they play d halfway as good as they did with Thibs, they will beast"
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66. "RE: If they play d halfway as good as they did with Thibs, they will bea..."
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It's gonna be all out about the Defense.

I don't think we have the offensive personnel to be raining 3's on the league.

It will be fun to watch though.

And much to most Bulls fan's chagrin, I don't think Butler is our answer. I like him, but he's not a superstar, and he can't stop Lebron. All roads will have to go through Lebron for the next decade.

Rose will destroy this year. you can't keep talkin shit about a dude from Chicago the way folks keep talkin. He got shit to prove. Plus, the dude can flat out BALL.



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68. "lebron's 30."
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>All roads will have to go through Lebron for the
>next decade.

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79. "rose is 27"
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good thing i didn't say "All roads will have to go through Rose for the next decade" or you'd have a point.

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87. "bron is bron tho...his game can go into his late 30s"
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he's actually smart. rose is 80% athleticism.

nah, since i'm picking number outta thin air...make that 99.91%

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year 13, 43000+ minutes in, i really don't see another decade of "all roads going through" him.

that's a fucking cyse.

rose has literally nothing to do with what i said btw. pressed ass nigga. lolz.

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69. "I keep hearing this from certain NBA fans, and I'm puzzled."
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About the Bulls under Hoiberg specifically:

>I don't think we have the offensive personnel to be raining
>3's on the league.

Do people think Hoiberg was brought in for a 1-year rental?

The process of becoming a full-blown Hoiberg roster will take time. They'll draft players who fit his style. They'll let players go who don't. They probably won't be able to play optimal Hoiberg ball this year. Give him a couple of years for the roster to fully fit what he wants to do.

He's got some strong Hoiberg pieces already (Butler, McD, and Noah in particular all fit the type of ball Hoiberg wants to play beautifully... and, if he can shoot the long ball better, Mirotic). It'll just take time. And with the right personnel, I absolutely think they can rain 3s on the league and make it work.

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73. "This particular team has this season."
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Gasol and Noah are up next summer.
The Bulls are trying to be contenders now.
That's my particular concern about the current roster and having shooters.

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75. "I'm sure this particular team will do what they can."
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And I'm sure Hoiberg will try to ease the transition into the style of ball he wants to play in order to try to maximize his roster.

But everyone saying "his teams shot 3s in college! that won't work here! not with this team!"-- which I've heard from multiple sources-- is only looking short picture. Very very short picture.

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72. "Lol, who can stop Lebron?"
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However, Butler made him pretty damn inefficient. That's the best you can ask for and he did just that while also contributing on the other end.

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76. "Spot on about rose, Dude has definitely had enough of the bullshit"
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Folks hate that he is talking about contract but he is about to have a contract year soon. He is hella motivated both financially and socially.

  

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77. "RE: Spot on about rose, Dude has definitely had enough of the bullshit"
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Hoiberg's cool. Not mad at him being the coach, but his style means we're rebuilding.

Thibbs had a good thing going with the defensive strategy, now it's MORE ABOUT OFFENSE with Hoiberg. Not mad at that, but man Thibbs defensive strategy was working. It was the injuries and personnel that hurt us, not the defensive team strategy.

So, i see Hoiberg as being a sign of rebuilding. Not too happy about us rebuilding. We were "Rose's health", and a decent two-guard away from going to the championship.

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94. "I cant prove it but, part of the reason we were so banged up was Thibs....."
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If we get through this year almost injury free, that will be my proof

  

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78. "Mirotic at the 3 tonight."
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@KCJHoop "Hoiberg said Gasol, Noah, Mirotic, Butler and E'Twaun will start vs. Pistons. Jumbo lineup. No Hinrich (foot). Gibson is a go."

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85. "Joakim Noah's California summer could make Bulls a contender"
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http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25342065

Joakim Noah's California summer could make Bulls a contender
By James Herbert / NBA writer
October 16, 2015 02:10 PM ET


At the end of the summer, Joakim Noah walked into Murchison Gymnasium at Westmont College, a small, Christian liberal arts school in Montecito, Calif. The Chicago Bulls center was there to play pickup basketball. On the opposing team was Al Jefferson of the Charlotte Hornets. The rest of the participants represented the Westmont Warriors, last year’s NAIA runner-up.

The Westmont players weren’t awed by Noah. They took the games seriously and they went at him. There was a ton of ball movement, cutting and speed. Noah acted like he was just one of the guys.

Thanks to a new and challenging offseason routine, the version of Noah at Westmont moved nothing like the one who had knee trouble and saw just about all of his numbers drop last season. This version, the one Chicago head coach Fred Holberg said looked “awesome” in training camp, is quicker, jumps higher and has more lean muscle.

Still, when Alex Perris, Noah’s longtime trainer and best friend since high school, shows people footage of these games, they all wonder the same thing: Why in the world was the 2014 Defensive Player of the Year sharing the court with these guys?

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When a group of NBA players showed up late for their training session at Peak Performance Project (P3) in Santa Barbara, they had to explain that they’d gotten sidetracked — driving by the beach at about 7:30 a.m., they saw Noah’s big head of hair coming out of the water. They decided to stop and say hi. For Noah, a dip in the Pacific Ocean was the standard way to start to the day. Three or four mornings a week, he’d be on FaceTime before that with his yoga instructor. He liked to get a session in, then eat breakfast.

Five days a week, Noah went to P3. There, he followed a precise training program based on enormous amounts of data in an effort to get healthy and reduce his risk of injury. In the afternoon, he worked out with former Los Angeles Lakers guard Mike Penberthy, who now specializes in player development. Noah ate dinner and went to bed early so he could recover and repeat the process.

Dr. Marcus Elliott, the founder of P3, sold Perris on his plan in January. Perris and Matt Rosenberg, who also grew up with Noah and now works for his agency, toured Santa Barbara and the facility. When Noah saw the information they took home, he bought in right away. It didn’t hurt that his ex-teammate, Kyle Korver, had been telling him about the place for years and played in his first All-Star Game a month before turning 34.

“They showed us the testing and we just thought that the technology and where they were was way ahead of anything we’ve ever seen,” Perris said. “With the importance of his offseason and coming back from his injury and the Bulls’ prospects of winning, we were just like, ‘Why take any chances? Let’s do this, let’s go there and commit to it.’ And we did.”

On the first day, Noah did all of P3’s standard testing with motion-capture technology so a personalized program could be designed. By the end of the summer, his performance metrics were all completely different.

“Everything improved, physically,” Elliott said. “I mean literally everything. He had a handful of biomechanical things he did that didn’t serve him that we worried about. Some of them were compensation patterns from old injuries and some of them were just the way he moved. He did some things that were hard on his body. And all those things improved. His risk of injury is much, much less than what it was before.”

In a couple of months, Noah made more progress at P3 than almost anyone. When he moved laterally, at first he wasn’t stable enough in his trunk, which meant he flexed it and lost energy. On exit testing, his trunk flexion was down from 21.6 degrees, a bad outlier, to 12.1 degrees, much better than an average NBA big man. His drop jump — a vertical jump off a box — went up 4.5 inches. With plyometrics, he learned how to be much more efficient when he landed, which took pressure off his knees and allowed him to jump not just higher, but faster.

As Noah saw the results, his enthusiasm was evident. His one-on-one basketball workouts got extremely technical, but Penberthy started with simple conversation, trying to get to know him better. Penberthy thought Noah was searching for excitement after a difficult season, and his objective, beyond trying to teach him some skills to help him in the Bulls’ new offense, was to help him find it after a difficult season.

“The goal was just to get him to fall in love with the game again,” Penberthy said. “I think the hard part was just the pressure of trying to win and that whole situation with everybody last year in Chicago just really took its toll on him. I just wanted him to enjoy playing again.”

Noah had new life almost immediately after getting in the gym. He had no problem with doing 45 minutes to an hour of non-stop activity in order to feel the same adrenaline as he would in a game. Penberthy called him the hardest-working guy he’s ever seen, and his attitude was as impressive as anything.

“When I deal with superstars, and I’ve dealt with a lot of them, it’s rare to find a guy who comes in ready to learn,” Penberthy said. “Most guys are saying, ‘What’s this little white guy going to show me? What does he really have?’ And then once you build that trust, then I can unleash everything on him. But you’re trying to find connecting points. When he walked in the door, he just said, ‘Coach!’ Which was basically him saying, ‘Show me what you got.’ The walls were kind of brought down.”

Noah listened and made little changes. “We gotta adjust your hook angle,” Penberthy told him. “We gotta get you a floater, a little bit of a runner because of the depth of your pick-and-rolls. Your dribble spin move can be out of control, we gotta slow you down.” He and Penberthy practiced footwork and decision-making — when he rolled to the basket, he’d attack when he caught the ball low, kick out when he caught it high. If he misses a few easy-looking shots in the beginning of the season, it’ll probably be because he’s getting used to having the ball roll off his fingers in a more traditional way.

Joakim Noah suffers a playoff loss in Cleveland. (USATSI)

Joakim Noah suffers a playoff loss in Cleveland. (USATSI)
The 30-year-old Noah didn’t pay much attention to all the stories saying he looked like a shell of himself, his body was betraying him and he couldn’t complement Pau Gasol. He learned long ago that there’s enough pressure on him without letting others add to it. Still, Perris described 2014-15 as “a year of frustration,” as Noah was always feeling the effects of the offseason surgery he had on his left knee.

Noah has long been Chicago’s spiritual leader, known for his hustle plays and exuberance as much as his triple-doubles. He couldn’t be himself because of his lack of mobility, but still played in 67 games in the regular season and handled big minutes in the playoffs.

“I see him hurting, it makes me sad,” Perris said. “Just seeing him like that, it was so unusual. And it was hard. It was a difficult season and we stuck together and pulled through and he really fought through and I’m really happy he played as many games as he did last year. And I think he gave them everything he had.”

Perris said “everything was all mixed up” in terms of their regimen. He tried to keep everything as normal as he could, but they couldn’t get their regular weightlifting sessions in because Noah needed that time for recovery. Now things are back to normal, and both P3 and Penberthy will continue to be a part of his training.

Elliott sees “exact parallels” to Korver, who started going to P3 in 2008 while dealing with several injuries. Rather than getting less athletic in his 30s, Korver ended up being able to do things he couldn’t when he came into the league. Elliott is confident Noah will keep improving and produce like he used to. That’s saying something, considering he finished fourth in MVP a couple of seasons ago. If he reaches that level, the Bulls are contenders. If he doesn't, they're probably not. While Hoiberg will equip them with a more modern offense, Jimmy Butler should continue ascending and Derrick Rose is trying to stay on the court, perhaps nobody can transform this team like a full-strength Noah. It is hard to overstate what he can give Chicago as a defender and facilitator.

“I don’t see any reason why, over these next couple years, he shouldn’t be in as good of physical shape as he’s ever been if he continues with the approach that he had this summer,” Elliott said. “Physically, everything has improved. He’s going to be a whole lot better than what he was last year. If he wasn’t, it would just be bizarre. It just wouldn’t make any sense.”

Joakim Noah challenges Andre Drummond in the preseason. (USATSI)

Joakim Noah challenges Andre Drummond in the preseason. (USATSI)
Everybody who saw what he was doing at the end of the summer agreed: Noah is going to make people forget about the guy who had trouble covering ground on defense. After a couple of months of focused, targeted work, it was obvious.

“He was a totally different player,” Penberthy said. “He was quick, he was explosive and he was in above the rim. It was just a different guy. He looked young. And he wasn’t just worried about his knee. Like last year, he just kind of lumbered and struggled in a lot of those areas. He was bouncy again.”

Westmont’s players had a chance to witness that up close, and Penberthy, one of the few to make it from the NAIA to the NBA, encouraged Noah to play there. Far away from expectations and far removed from playing hurt, he tried out everything he’d been practicing. No one worried about what anyone was saying about Noah heading into a contract season, and no one played selfishly. He loved it.

“There’s nothing better than just enjoying basketball for being basketball,” Penberthy said. “There’s no motive there. It’s just, 'let’s hoop.’”

Throughout his tenure in Chicago, he has always been at his best with a clear mind and healthy body. That’s why he was sharing the court with those guys.

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86. "looks like pau-niko b/w jo-taj"
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for now at least.

"i can dig it" © mista lawnge

http://www.blogabull.com/2015/10/20/9580911/the-bulls-blitz-the-pacers-103-94-at-home-in-the-preseason#

"So: while nothing is official yet, it looks like Gasol and Mirotic will start with Noah and Gibson backing them up. Hoiberg was consistent with those pairings through the game."

Bulls' big man pairings so far tonight, with 7:16 left in 2Q: Gasol-Mirotic Noah-Mirotic Noah-Gibson Gasol-Gibson (No Gasol-Noah yet)
— Cody Westerlund (@CodyWesterlund) October 21, 2015

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88. "makes sense. happy that fred sowed some balls here"
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it's 2015. we can't have more than one guy in a lineup that can't score and/or shoot.

and lol @ people who want to trade derrick. with the spacing that fred's offense creates, derrick is our most valuable asset on offense (per usual). everyone (including buckets) needs derrick and his ability to create and exploit the driving lanes.

  

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90. "RE: makes sense. happy that fred sowed some balls here"
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>and lol @ people who want to trade derrick. with the spacing
>that fred's offense creates, derrick is our most valuable
>asset on offense (per usual).

The Bulls without Derrick Rose are not contenders. Period.
People who want to trade him don't understand that.

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100. "RE: makes sense. happy that fred sowed some balls here"
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>>and lol @ people who want to trade derrick. with the
>spacing
>>that fred's offense creates, derrick is our most valuable
>>asset on offense (per usual).
>
>The Bulls without Derrick Rose are not contenders. Period.
>People who want to trade him don't understand that.


There are folks that want Rose traded (or at the very least take on a different role) who are well aware of how important he is to the Bulls....And that's the rub....He's so important to the Bulls' post season hopes that the issue is depending on someone who can't seem to stay on the floor...

I will be the first person to do back flips if Pooh can stay relatively healthy this season and flourish in Da Mayor's offense...At this moment, it's Rose or bust....

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112. "So you're tired of the Bulls gambling on Rose."
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I get that.
But I'm assuming you're not ready for the Bulls FO to begin rebuilding, correct?

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92. "Y'all not worried about Gasol/Mirotic..."
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...defensively?

The more I watched, the more I though Hoiberg was going to mix it up.

Gasol/Gibson
Noah/Mirotic

That's unless Boylen has something up his sleeve.

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93. "i'm not."
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they were actually pretty good together defensively last season.

99.3 pts allowed per 100 possessions, over a total of 653 minutes. one of the team's better defensive big man pairings.

taj/niko: 98.9 pts allowed/100 poss (666 minutes)
noah/niko: 99.9 pts allowed/100 poss (579 minutes)
pau/noah: 100.4 pts allowed/100 poss (1258 minutes)
pau/taj: 102.6 pts allowed/100 poss (870 minutes)
noah/taj: 104.8 pts allowed/100 poss (421 minutes)

for comparison's sake:

bogut/green: 95.1 pts allowed/100 poss (1271 minutes)
duncan/splitter: 96.0 pts allowed/100 poss (546 minutes)
davis/asik: 100.5 pts allowed/100 poss (1321 minutes)
gasol/randolph: 101.5 pts allowed/100 poss (1875 minutes)
love/thompson: 102.6 pts allowed/100 poss (1081 minutes)
griffin/jordan: 102.8 pts allowed/100 poss (1957 minutes)

statistically, pau was one of the best rim protectors in the league last year, and he and niko were both among the best per-minute defensive rebounders. they should be ok.

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95. "It's all about the spacing re: Niko"
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And Niko isn't *horrible* on that side of the ball. He rebounds well and seems to have a better understanding of defensive positioning during this preseason. Pau's slow feet with the p & r will probably be our main issue with that lineup. Noah won't be there to make up for those deficiencies. I assume Fred expects Derrick, Jimmy, and Snell to secure the perimeter. We should be about average with that group out there.

But yeah, we'll see who finishes. I doubt that starting five will be together during the final five minutes when getting stops are vital.

  

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96. "the finishing five will be situational."
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like last night, when they went up double digits in the fourth,
i think he put in snell/taj/pau/butler/kirk or something like that.
might've been e'twaun at point. but yeah, in that case you're more
worried about stops than buckets. if they're chasing a lead, you'll
see some mix of niko, AB, MDJ/McD out there.



>But yeah, we'll see who finishes. I doubt that starting five
>will be together during the final five minutes when getting
>stops are vital.
>
>

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97. "This is true"
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Having depth is great.

Hopefully guys (Pau, Jo in a contract year) don't have issues swallowing their ego's a bit. Those minutes are going to be down. Goes without being said but health in May is more important than logging 30+ minutes in the regular season. If/when we win consistently I'm sure we won't hear a negative word.

  

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111. "word."
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I'm expecting the first half rotation to be 5 stints of 4 to 6 minutes apiece

pau/niko
jo/niko
jo/taj
pau/taj
pau/niko

and second half to vary based on game script

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98. "RE: looks like pau-niko b/w jo-taj"
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alls I know is, these dudes need to be putting up 30+ in the 1st quarter. No excuse for that lineup NOT to be running up the score.

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99. "noah ok with bench role."
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Two years ago, the idea of making Chicago Bulls center Joakim Noah a sixth man would seem ludicrous. But it’s funny how time — and other changes — can alter the perception on a supposed crazy idea. Two days ago, the notion was floated by Chicago Bulls coach Fred Hoiberg that Noah may be a sixth man when 2015-16 gets rolling. While nothing has been decided yet, Noah is playing the part of good solider and says he’d be OK with such a switch, writes Nick Friedell of ESPNChicago.com:

While new Bulls coach Fred Hoiberg hasn’t officially said that Joakim Noah will come off the bench in the team’s opener against the Cleveland Cavaliers on Tuesday, the former All-Star center seems resigned to the fact he will be out of the starting lineup early in the season.

“It’s definitely an adjustment,” Noah said after Thursday’s practice. “But at the end of the day, it’s still basketball. I got to go out there, bring energy, and do what I do.”

Hoiberg said the Bulls will use the same lineup in Friday’s preseason game against the Dallas Mavericks in Lincoln, Nebraska, as they did Tuesday against the Indiana Pacers, when Kirk Hinrich, Jimmy Butler, Tony Snell, Nikola Mirotic and Pau Gasol opened the game.

“We’ll start the same way,” Hoiberg said. “If it looks good, (that’s) a pretty good chance that’s the way we’ll go on opening night.”

The hope within the organization is that injured point guard Derrick Rose (orbital) will be able to return against the Cavaliers. That still leaves Noah, the NBA Defensive Player of the Year in 2013-14, on the outside looking in.

“We’ve talked,” Hoiberg said of discussing the possibilities with Noah. “We talk about everything that he’s done. He was great, he was excited about playing with Taj (Gibson) last game. I think those two have a very good chemistry out there together. And (Noah) was the one that talked to me about that, about how well he feels he and Taj play together out there on the floor.”



“I’ve played well with Taj in the past,” Noah said. “We just got to keep building. This isn’t about me, it’s not about Taj, it’s about what we can do to make this team better. It is what it is, and we got to go out there and find ways to make it work.”



“Jo’s a pro,” Hoiberg said. “All our guys are at the end. Whatever we decide to do on the 27th, it’s not necessarily what we’ll do on Nov. 1. It’s just the start (of the season). It’s not an easy (decision); however, we start on Tuesday, but it’s not an absolute. We’ll continue to play different lineups out there, combinations, and see what we like best.”

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101. "I'm not worried"
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It does help balance the second unit.

My concern is what he's gonna do with McBuckets. With Snelly cat starting, what happens when Dunny gets back?

E'Toine played so well in the preseason, I don't see how he's kept off the court in the early going. I think Brooks (due to size) is the odd man out eventually (though I think it should be Kirk.

Rose/Moore/Brooks/Kirk
Jimmy/Snell
Dunny/Dougie
Niko/Taj/Portis
Pau/Noah

^^^Should look like that eventually. I don't see how we keep Taj and Portis though. Taj probably gonna get traded or they are gonna let him walk at the end of his contract.

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102. "let's not"
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> Snelly cat
>

this dumbass nickname is the one thing I'm mad at Jo about

  

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106. "RE: I'm not worried"
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>Rose/Moore/Brooks/Kirk
>Jimmy/Snell
>Dunny/Dougie
>Niko/Taj/Portis
>Pau/Noah
>
>^^^Should look like that eventually. I don't see how we keep
>Taj and Portis though. Taj probably gonna get traded or they
>are gonna let him walk at the end of his contract.


Portis was mostly playing center during preseason so I could easily see Jo getting traded over Taj.

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103. "Unlike Thibs, Hoi seems to actually speak to players"
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Like Noah said...it will be an adjustment but Hoiberg approaching him about it first is going to take a lot of sting out of it. Seems like a lot of coaches fail to realize how much of a difference basic human communication can make with their players.

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104. "stuck in good but not great purgatory is a painful nba situation"
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Bulls in the same situation as my Celtics. Only difference is the Bulls will make it to the 2nd round.

  

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105. "RE: stuck in good but not great purgatory is a painful nba situation"
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in that case, every eastern conference team in the playoff hunt other than cleveland is in purgatory.

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107. "derrick playing tonight"
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108. "He looked great. Everything we do still revolves around him. "
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If he's healthy I wouldn't be surprised if he's top-5 in MVP voting.

Thibs called plays on *every* offensive possession. Hoiberg is letting guys read and react while not barking out a play every 24 seconds. This could be great for Derrick.

  

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110. "Not sure about MVP, but All-Star definitely."
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Every Bulls fan should be excited about how aggressively Rose was going to the basket.

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109. "Important words from Derrick re: HOIBERG"
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I would put money on dude having a great year.

Rose: "I love the way Coach designed everything. He’s got me running downhill and catching the ball with a live dribble."

K.C. Johnson ‏@KCJHoop
Rose: "We weren’t thinking about what we were running. We’d start with a pick-and-roll and then that opened up everything else."

K.C. Johnson ‏@KCJHoop
Rose on offense: "There are a lot of lanes and so many opportunities"

  

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113. "jimmy butler profile (chicago magazine)"
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http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/November-2015/Jimmy-Butler/

It’s Good to Be Jimmy Butler
All-star status. Fat new contract. Celebrity pals. Life is a dream these days for the Bulls’ breakout star. But that wasn’t always the case.

BY BRYAN SMITH

Above the rippling hills, past where a pair of Southern California valleys join to begin their golden ascent, the house . . . no, the mansion . . . no, the estate rises on a promontory like a crown.

To get there takes work. You must first pass a clipboard-wielding sentry, who fixes you with the fish eye even if your name appears on his list. Next you grind up past a bewildering succession of palm-treed cul-de-sacs, each jeweled with sumptuous homes and luxury automobiles—Porsches and Jags and Shelbys that loll in the desert sun like sleeping cats. A last climb (enlivened, occasionally, by the odd rattlesnake slithering across the road) brings you to a 40-acre property that has its own guesthouse, horse barn, corral, and baseball diamond. There you will find the nine-bedroom, 14-bath, 13,000-square-foot manor proper, with its vaulted 30-foot ceilings and an infinity pool set against a Shangri-la of flora.

You’ll also find, in the stillness of a lazy September afternoon, a figure lying on a chaise by that pool, dozing in the Pacific breezes. His familiar Kid ’n Play meets Bart Simpson fade cuts a corrugated silhouette against the sunlight pouring down. A nugget-sized diamond winks from his left ear.

Soon enough, Jimmy Butler is up, yawning loudly and stretching. He ambles inside, dwarfed, big as he is, at 6-foot-7, by the massive house, situated in a tony enclave outside San Diego. The 26-year-old Chicago Bulls star rented it in the off-season for himself and his two longtime pals Jermaine and Ifeanyi, whom he introduces as “my brothers.”

“Nice place,” you offer, the only icebreaker that comes to mind as you follow him into the living room.

Butler laughs and nods. “Tell me about it.”

Just then, Jermaine floats past into the kitchen, a 30-foot expanse of quartz and stainless steel. Soon Ifeanyi wanders in, too, ostensibly to forage. “Don’t no one buy no groceries around here?” Butler yells over his shoulder in mock irritation.

Jermaine throws up his hands. “What? I just went.”

A five-minute zingfest ensues about who’s the most efficient supermarket navigator. (Butler: “Two hours? And that’s all you got?” Jermaine: “You hear of traffic?”)

And so it goes. The digs may be extravagant, but Butler will be damned if he and his roomies are going to tiptoe around with cups of tea and raised pinkies. “We have fun in our own way,” Butler tells me. “All the things we did as kids we do now. It’s what makes us laugh.”

For one thing, they’ve set up a makeshift indoor putting green that consists of a red plastic cup duct-taped to the carpet. And at any moment, spongy hellfire can rain down on your head. “We go to Wal-Mart and buy, like, $1,500 worth of Nerf guns,” Butler explains. “We have flat-out wars.” A too-casual walk past that Eden outside will almost certainly bring a shove into the pool—“and believe me,” says Butler, “nobody cares if you have your cell phone.”

Then, sly as a Cheshire, he grins his million-dollar grin—his $95 million grin, to be exact, given the five-year contract he signed in July, a deal that clearly signaled his arrival as the new face of the franchise . . . or at least the shared face, with the often-hobbled Derrick Rose.

“For years, as we’ve been trying to build the team, it’s always been, ‘You need a complement to Derrick Rose,’ ” says Bulls VP John Paxson. “Well, we’ve got one.”

What a difference a year makes. Headed into last season, his fourth with the Bulls, Butler was a $2-million-a-year, not-exactly-awe-inspiring role player good for a dozen or so points a game and solid D. Then last year—a year in which Rose, the former league MVP with the star-crossed knees, missed another 31 games—Butler stepped up to the tune of 20 points a game, nearly double his career average, while playing lockdown defense, night after night, on the other teams’ best players. He hauled in rebounds, buried game-winning shots, and ran the floor for 40 minutes a night—more than any other guy on the squad—all while playing with a passion and energy that made Bulls fans embrace “Jimmy Buckets,” as he’s come to be known because of his hot shooting streaks. By midseason, he was an All-Star. By the end of the season—a year in which he led the Bulls to the second round of the playoffs—he was voted the NBA’s Most Improved Player, the first Bull to ever win that award. There was even talk among some pundits that he should be considered for league Most Valuable Player.

“We knew we had a (talent),” says John Paxson, the Bulls’ vice president of basketball operations and, of course, a key cog in the Jordan-era championship runs. “But to ever think that he would become the player that he advanced to last year? I’m going to tell you straight out that there’s not a person in this building that saw that coming.”

Even Butler was stunned. “Hell, it came out of nowhere for me, too,” he says. “I’m not going to sit here and tell you I knew I was going to average 20 points a game in the best league in the world. I had no idea. Tell you the truth, I’d never averaged 20 points a game since high school. I was just playing ball, trying to help the team. But when I look at it now, I’m like, Wow.”

Soon he was reaping the rewards—signing that fat new contract, hanging out with the likes of Taylor Swift and Mark Wahlberg, strolling the red carpet at ESPN’s ESPY Awards (the sports world’s version of the Oscars) in a polka-dot-lapel tux and black high-tops, and luxuriating in San Diego splendor. As his publicist, Ashley Smith Becker, puts it: “It’s good to be Jimmy Butler.”

...

Life certainly looks fine from the mountaintop. But if you think Butler is spending all day putting into plastic cups or fighting Nerf wars, you don’t know Jimmy Buckets. Dude came to San Diego to put in work.

So if he was catching some z’s poolside, forgive him. He’d risen at 5 a.m., standard reveille for him all summer, and caravanned with his crew to nearby Poway High School for the first of three hardcore workouts that day. At 6 a.m. sharp, Chris Johnson, Butler’s basketball skills trainer, had him drilling moves—step, pivot, hard fake, shoot.

Balls ripped through the net, six in a row, then seven, eight. At a dozen, one rattled out of the rim, and Butler hissed through his teeth. “Don’t worry about that,” said Johnson, who wanted him to stay focused on the move itself. “That was good, that was good. You gettin’ it.”

When the school’s basketball coach came in at 7:30, followed by a trickle of awestruck students, Butler pleaded, “I got five more minutes, Coach. Please?” The coach grinned. “No worries.”

Later, the question will come up: Where does Butler get his work ethic? “I think it comes from not having much all your life,” he says. “And whenever you’ve got to grind for everything that you’ve ever had, whenever you do get a little something, it’s not satisfying enough for you.”

All through the workout, while Butler toiled, Ifeanyi tended to the music: Z-Ro and Slim Thug, Big Moe, Lil’ Keke—a far cry from the twangy tunes that Butler, a Texas native, grew up liking. Jermaine, meanwhile, retrieved balls and zipped them to Butler, occasionally jumping in to put a hand in his friend’s face. At one point, Ifeanyi, Jermaine, and Johnson triple-teamed Butler during a midrange shooting drill.

Saying that Butler takes care of his friends is like saying Jordan was a pretty good player. They are virtually inseparable, with Butler taking them on trips, keeping them in cars and cash, and indulging any want. Why train in San Diego? It’s not out of Butler’s secret yen for sailing, but rather as an accommodation to his buddies. “I let them choose where we would live this off-season,” he explains. “They chose San Diego. I wanted my guys to enjoy the life we will live for the rest of our lives. They work just as hard as I do.”

And there’s the rub. More accurately, he insists that they work as hard as he does—or at least try. Because for Butler, there is strength in solidarity. “I have to travel, they have to travel,” he says. “I make them train at the same hours I train. I think I work pretty hard. And if I’m working, you best bet your last dollar that these lazy bums around me are working as well. Around here, if you don’t work, you don’t eat.” (In mid-September, Butler found a new in-season pad for himself and his pals, plunking down $4.3 million for a four-story, six-bedroom house in River North.)

So seriously does Butler take the idea of sacrifice that he uses that word, in big block letters, as his phone’s screen saver. And, in a kind of basketball Lent, each off-season, he and his roommates agree to give up one major activity to allow more time for training. The summer of 2014 it was no cable and Internet. This summer: no going out to party. (Well, less going out.) “Staying home is way harder” than last year’s sacrifice, says Butler: “We are in bed on a good night by 10. On some bad nights, 12. Because 5 a.m. comes around early—and you’re up, grinding, grinding, and grinding.”

Butler’s disciplined approach to life comes as much as anything from an unlikely source: his friendship with Mark Wahlberg. The two met in the fall of 2013, when the actor was in Chicago filming the latest installment of Transformers. Wahlberg dropped by the Berto Center, the Bulls’ old training facility in Deerfield, in search of a basketball game. “He was like, ‘I want to play,’ and we were like, ‘Let’s hoop,’ ” recalls Butler, who admits to being a little starstruck. “I was like, Damn, this is the first bigtime famous individual that I’ve met.”

The next night, Butler joined Wahlberg and his entourage at Lucky Strike. Wahlberg had rented out the bowling alley to watch a boxing match on TV. The two exchanged numbers, but Butler was reluctant to reach out. “I didn’t text him because it was awkward,” Butler says. “He’s a really good dude and I wanted to thank him, but I didn’t want to bother him.”

Finally, after a few weeks, he worked up the nerve. “I was just like, ‘Hey, man, I’m checking in. Hope all is well,’ ” Butler recalls. “And he’s like, ‘Whenever you’re in L.A., come to the house, meet the family, the kids.’ ” On the Bulls’ next West Coast road trip, Butler took Wahlberg up on the offer. “Ever since then, he’s been my guy,” says Butler. He accompanied Wahlberg on a private-jet trip to Paris last year and did the same this summer—a summer in which the two hung out for nearly four solid weeks.

“I love him to death,” Butler says. “He’s always asking about me as a person. Forget Jimmy Butler as a basketball player. ‘Hey, you doing OK? Is there anything I can help you with?’ I try to pick his brain a little bit.” One thing that impressed Butler about Wahlberg, in addition to the actor’s commitment to his wife and kids, was his work ethic: “I just saw the way he got after it, the way he would train. I was like, You know what? That’s probably something a lot of people aren’t doing. Which is why I started waking up at 5 a.m. to start working out. He was doing it.”

Says Wahlberg about his bromance with Butler: “We just kind of clicked. For me, it’s exciting to see a young 20-something-year-old kid, who’s got the world basically in the palm of his hand, controlling his own destiny. Just to see the excitement in his eyes, but also a good, strong head on his shoulders. There are a lot of people who will try to come around and get on his good side to get something from him. And he knows that I don’t need anything from him, that all I’m trying to do is point him in the right direction.”

It’s not random that Butler chose staying in as his crew’s sacrifice. Explains Wahlberg: “I told him, ‘Look, I was lucky. I got it all out of my system when I was younger. When I was your age, I was not disciplined, but if I had been, I think I’d be a lot further along in what I’ve wanted to accomplish. If you don’t give it your all now, you’re going to regret it. You’ll look back on that time you wasted going out and having fun, spending all hours of the night out instead of all hours of the morning at the gym.’ He just got it.”

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If Wahlberg comes off as a bit of a father figure to Butler, there’s good reason. Bulls fans who have closely followed Butler’s career are familiar by now with his early life, an ugly chapter that began in Tomball, Texas, a town of about 11,000 just north of Houston, and was first detailed in a 2011 story on ESPN’s website. Butler’s father wasn’t around for the early part of his life. Then, following a dispute, his mother kicked Butler out of the house when he was 13, with the words, “I don’t like the look of you. You gotta go.” He was taken in by a high school teammate’s family, to whom he expresses deep gratitude even now.

Still, he loathes reliving the past—so much so that he has removed the rearview mirror on his car (yes, really) as a symbolic reminder to never look back. His coach at Marquette University, Buzz Williams, says Butler was so sensitive about his upbringing that he swore Williams to secrecy while playing for him.

When I ask why he hates talking about the past so much, Butler shifts uncomfortably on the sectional in the grand San Diego house. “It’s because I don’t ever want that to define me,” he says. “I hated it whenever it came up because that’s all anybody ever wanted to talk about. Like, that hasn’t gotten me to where I am today. I’m a great basketball player because of my work. I’m a good basketball player because of the people I have around me. And if I continue to be stuck in the past, then I won’t get any better. I won’t change, I’ll get stuck as that kid. That’s not who I am. I’m so far ahead of that. I don’t hold grudges. I still talk to my family. My mom. My father. We love each other. That’s never going to change.” In fact, the day I visited Butler, his father was staying with him.

(Butler’s less-than-idyllic upbringing may explain the roots of one ritual that has become a rule with him and his roomies: When you go to the grocery store, you pay the bill of the person behind you in line. “I don’t care how many groceries they have. It could be a 99-cent ice-cream cone or a $2,000 grocery bill,” says Butler. “We have been so blessed. It’s fun.”)

“We just kind of clicked,” says Mark Wahlberg. “For me, it’s exciting to see a young 20-something-year-old kid, who’s got the world basically in the palm of his hand, controlling his own destiny.”

In high school, Butler was the best player on his team but hardly the kind of star who attracted attention from major colleges. Tyler Junior College in Tyler, Texas, was the only school that showed real interest in him. After a year there, Butler transferred to Marquette, where Williams, who had just taken over as head coach, brought him in solely on the word of a Marquette player who had been Butler’s teammate at Tyler. “I never sent Jimmy a letter, I never sent him a piece of mail, he never took a visit to Marquette,” recalls Williams. “He faxed his national letter of intent from the nearest McDonald’s. And that’s how we signed him.”

Williams rode him hard from the get-go. One of the first things he said to Butler—and continues to say, as a running joke—was, “Jimmy, you suck.” Says Williams: “I was bordering inhumane how I coached him. But I was brutal because I wanted him to make it. He was weak, he was overwhelmed, but he never quit. Jimmy just kept showing up, kept showing up.”

By his junior year, Butler was a starter. Over the course of his last two seasons, he averaged more than 15 points a game, while earning a reputation as a strong defender. He never even made all-­conference in the Big East, but in 2011 the Bulls and their defense-minded coach, Tom Thibodeau, drafted him in the first round, the 30th pick overall. “You just loved his toughness,” says Thibodeau, who lost the Bulls job at the end of last season. “When we drafted him, we didn’t know how good he was going to be, but we definitely felt like, OK, this guy is going to be able to work himself into the rotation quickly.”

Fans weren’t as happy with the pick. “A lot of people wanted offense,” says Bill Wennington, a former Bull who is now a color commentator on the team’s ESPN radio broadcasts. “Jimmy came in not being able to do that or not known for doing that.”

In Butler’s lockout-shortened rookie year, he played sparingly, averaging a measly 3 points. But each off-season, he worked on his game. And each subsequent season, he improved—to 9 points per game his second year, then 13 his third. The real turning point came when Butler began working with Chris Johnson a couple of seasons back. “I told him, ‘Give me two years and I’ll make you an All-Star,’ ” the trainer recalls. Adds Butler: “And he was right. He was right.”

But no one could have foreseen the success Butler had last year. Before that season, the final one under his rookie contract, the Bulls offered him an extension: $44 million over four years. Butler was tempted. “Forty-four million is a lot of money,” he says. “It was more money than I ever thought I’d have.” He decided to turn it down and roll the dice: play out his contract and hope to sign a bigger deal as a restricted free agent at year-end. “I was nervous, I’m not going to lie to you,” says Butler. “But everything I put myself through, I knew what I was capable of.”

The gamble, of course, paid off bigtime. After Butler signed the $95 million deal, Wahlberg threw him a party. “We had quite the dinner at my house,” says the actor. And though Paxson now has to sign the paychecks, he is equally delighted. “For years, as we’ve been trying to build the team, it’s always been, ‘You need a complement to Derrick Rose,’ ” he says. “Well, we’ve got one.”

But adding a star to a team that already has one isn’t always a smooth transition. When Rose returned to the lineup late last season, he had to adjust to the fact that Butler had become the team’s primary scorer. And his unease with that, according to a report on the website of Chicago’s CBS affiliate, culminated in some bad chemistry during the playoffs. In the second half of the Bulls’ elimination-game loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers, Rose, looking a bit lost, attempted only four shots, while Butler, perhaps forcing things, put up three times as many.

Naturally, the front office plays down any tension. “If you’re asking about their relationship, only Derrick and Jimmy can speak to that,” says Paxson. “Our concern is how they blend on the basketball court and how that translates into winning, and I don’t envision anything other than both those guys and everybody else putting their best foot forward and trying to win.”

Butler treads lightly on the matter but does acknowledge, albeit in a supremely diplomatic way, a shift in team leadership. “I think people look at me now as kind of, maybe, the face of the Chicago Bulls,” he says. “When you think of the Chicago Bulls, yeah, you think Derrick Rose, Joakim Noah, and Pau Gasol, too—but maybe every now and then you think of myself.”

What about his relationship with Rose? “I think our relationship is great,” Butler says. “I think we each want each other to be successful. And I think we share the goal of wanting a championship. I think if we just continue to change for the better, build off of each other, then we’ll be fine. We are fine.”

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The first two workouts of the day done, Butler, Jermaine, and Ifeanyi mull over the idea of playing a round of miniature golf. With a wager, of course. There’s always a wager. And the stakes are never small—in this case, $1,000. But the afternoon is growing late and traffic is already building.

Instead, Jermaine has a better idea. They could go to the golf course just down the street, pay for full rounds, and simply putt the greens. And so, bearing two putters and one ball to share among them, the three young men pile into golf carts and zip past the first fairway of the nearly empty course to the green. Butler doesn’t love golf (Wahlberg theorizes that he is hesitant to embrace the game until he’s mastered it), but he does love to putt.

Over the next hour or so, he and his friends rule the course, racing down cart path slopes, mocking each other’s awful putts, woofing back and forth, laughing, sneering, gloating, and generally doing all the things that close friends (and brothers) do. In the end, Jermaine, the golfer in the crew, ekes out a one-stroke win, sending the competitive Butler into a semifunk.

Walking to the parking lot, however, Jermaine erases any vestige of irritation. The group has just passed a pipe spilling water into a drain. “Give me $7,000 and I’ll drink it,” he says to Butler.

Butler counters: “Man, you crazy. Seven thousand? That’s worth, like, $1,500, tops.”

“Man, that’s sewer water,” Jermaine protests. “You gave me $5,000 for drinking syrup!”

“Well, that was a lot of syrup,” Butler says.

“It was,” Jermaine nods. “Damn.”

“Now,” says Butler, his mind churning, “if you lick the inside of that trashcan, that’s worth $7,000.”

“Psh. You crazy. Raccoons be licking on that. They got rabies!”

The group howls, Butler louder than anyone.

In the fading afternoon, the three jump into Butler’s Mercedes G-Class SUV and begin the slow ascent to the grand house, past the guardhouse, past the other beautiful homes, headed back to the top.

Butler would love to take another nap when he gets there, but he can’t. He has one more workout to go, then dinner, then bed. Five o’clock comes early.

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114. "HOIBERG: most all players' minutes in 25-32 range"
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https://twitter.com/KCJHoop/status/658697877468766208

KCJHoop: Hoiberg said depth will allow him to keep most all players' minutes in 25-32 range.

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116. "Anyone else think it should be Pau/Gibson and Noah/Mrotic?"
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One offensive focus...one defensive...Portis playing the Noah/Gibson role off the bench.

No way in hell we get our defense on track with Mrotic and Pau playing at the same time.

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117. "."
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Our back up PG position is already weak.
But dude has come in and played solid minutes.
I like that Hoiberg went with him over Hinrich.

Minutes allocation was spread out nicely.
Hoi mixed that front court up all game.
It'll be interesting to see how soon he brings in
Noah/Gibson in the future if the defense struggles.

Mirotic was great in the 1st half.
There was one break in the 1st half where he
got the rebound and Rose was kinda looking for the ball.
Too late. Ha. Dude was already pushing it.

Finally, props to Snell. He was getting open looks,
but wasn't hitting those shots.
I'm more so glad he's taking them.
He'll start hitting them.

Good win against a division rival.
Didn't like that Mo kinda got off.
Rose was going under the PNR a few times.

I know guys are probably gassed, but with a back to back tonight
we might see some Portis tick in Brooklyn.

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ALL HAIL HOIBERG

Nice to see Snell drive to the rim some as well. He needs to be doing that more often.

  

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120. "Benching Kirk = Made his money"
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I like that Mcbucketts got some tic as well.

The offense looks MUCH improved. It looks like they are still working out the kinks but I saw some things that made me feel like they'll be working on all cylinders in a few months.

-Rose/Jimmy pick and flare out to the baseline = 4-5 open looks for Jimmy. He just missed most of them, then they reversed it and Rose got a look too. Nice two man game with those two.

-Niko/McBucketts/Snell = Letting it FLY. They ain't scared to shoot no more...great. AIR IT OUT. Saw Snell look off Rose calling for the ball and got all the way to the rim. Loved it.

-Derrick driving to the basket. Those shots are gonna be falling in 3 weeks...this is his preseason. AND he tweaked his ankle, came right back in. Time to take the kid gloves off and treat him like he's healthy. Because he is.

-Health = Noah and Taj looked spry again. Good.

Kinks - Pau has to be more involved. Might not have been as necessary last night but he needs to have 12-15 touches a night. They have to establish him inside. No Portis...would love to see him play but I know it'll be situational. We didn't shoot particularly well either but I think that'll curb going forward.

The D is still there but it's not gonna be as intense until the end of the season. I can already see it. But outside of Bron goin' Bron and Mo Williams eating up the seams...nobody else really did anything. Love got hot but not because we didn't D him up.

Personally, I think we should have won this game by about 13 points but I'll be patient as there are acclimation factors.

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121. "what I saw was more guys driving to the rim.. "
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makes them WAY less predictable on offense & way harder to defend..
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I swear I love seeing ESPN and the talking heads walk the shit back.

  

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123. "Z-LO DA GAWD: five minutes with the mayor (grantland swipe)"
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http://grantland.com/the-triangle/five-minutes-with-bulls-coach-fred-hoiberg/

Five Minutes With Bulls Coach Fred Hoiberg
OCTOBER 29, 2015
by ZACH LOWE

Fred Hoiberg didn’t know it, but he was one collision from death toward the end of his 10-year NBA career. A routine medical exam for a life insurance policy revealed that Hoiberg had an aortic aneurysm — a bulge in the aorta that could burst upon impact, triggering fatal internal bleeding.

The diagnosis essentially ended his playing career, but Hoiberg rose fast as a front-office executive in Minnesota, and then as head coach at Iowa State — his alma mater, and the place where everyone calls him “The Mayor.” (One athletic club even has a parking spot reserved for “The Mayor,” and it isn’t reserved for the actual mayor of Ames, Iowa.) He quickly rebuilt the Cyclones around a group of high-profile transfers, including Royce White, but he couldn’t resist the lure of the NBA when Chicago — after an “exhaustive search” that lasted four days — offered him the chance to follow in Tim Floyd’s path.

Before Chicago’s game in Brooklyn on Wednesday, Hoiberg took a few minutes to chat with Grantland about bringing Joakim Noah off the bench, the chemistry between Nikola Mirotic and Pau Gasol, fashion choices, and more.

...

How was the conversation when you told Joakim he officially wasn’t going to start?

Jo actually came to me and talked to me about that. He said, basically, “I’ve always played well with Taj.” He said he thought Niko and Pau played very well together, so let’s go that route. It was actually Jo that started the whole conversation. He came to me. That says a lot about him.

Were you already leaning that way anyway — like as early as August or September?

I had thought a lot about a lot of different lineups. I hadn’t come to any type of conclusion. But it was great of Jo to just come and have that conversation.

Could it flip back? I already get nervous watching those bench units trying to generate offense.

Sure. We’re not married to anything right now. We’ll see how things go. I liked the chemistry of our first group last night (against Cleveland). I thought the bench guys came out and played well.

Can the Niko/Pau combination defend well enough for you guys to compete for the title — and especially do enough on the defensive glass?

I thought they were good last night. Cleveland went right to (Kevin) Love early in the game, and he scored right away on the first possession, but I thought Niko battled the heck out of him the rest of the night. Pau had a couple of great defensive plays for us to the end the game. With Jimmy (Butler) and Tony (Snell) out there on the wings, you have two very good defenders. And even Derrick (Rose) does a solid job.

The great thing about Pau — he has great length. Look at his numbers. He was high up in blocked shots last year. We’ll see and monitor all that.

The Cavs were shredding him in the pick-and-roll before that block at the end. I was surprised he was out there at first, but then I remembered Gibson had fouled out.

Yeah. But he wanted to be out there, and Taj had fouled out. He’s been out there in big moments. He wanted it.

Very important question: Does Mirotic pump-fake too often? He pump-fakes at ghosts, I think.

Ha. When Niko has an open shot, I’d love him to shoot it. But he does get guys up in the air on that. If he can do that, and get into the paint, and shoot his little floater, I’m fine with that.

You’re a clean-cut guy. Does his beard offend you on any level?

No! Not at all! I love his beard.

What about Jimmy Butler’s untucked jersey? He leads the league in minutes played with an untucked jersey.

Really?

I mean, it’s not an official stat, I don’t think.

I’ve never noticed that.

Come on.

I haven’t, really. If he gets dinged for it, then we’ll address it.

Derrick went hard at the rim the other night, and maybe he should have gotten some calls, but a few of those drives kind of ended in chaos. If you freeze the film, you see some easy, simple passes staring him in the face: Pau open for a ball reversal, Doug McDermott spotting up. Is it hard to find the balance between making the easy play and just rushing to the rim? Because good stuff, like drawing fouls, can happen when he just puts his head down.

He’s only got one eye right now.

This is true.

He got (14) shots in the paint out of his 22 against Cleveland. That’s great. I loved that.

So what I’m hearing is, you’re not concerned.

No, I’m not concerned.

Mirotic has been to the basket a ton this season. A lot of stretch 4s, and even big guys who can’t really shoot it that well, just kind of pop or fade after setting picks. Niko rolling kind of goes against what the defense expects. Is that a point of emphasis for you?

Yeah. We’ve given him the freedom — he’s such a smart kid. He and Pau play well off each other. That’s why I like them out there together so much. He does a good job reading the situation. He came to me and talked about that, and just said, “Hey, I really like to roll.” And sometimes when he rolls, Pau pops. And when he pops, Pau rolls. They have great chemistry.

You had one play where you clear a side for Niko to roll, then Pau pops up to catch the ball at the opposite elbow, and Niko was open cutting to the rim.

Right. We like that one. They play off of each other so well.

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I’m a fan of coaches who don’t wear ties, but there’s a medical reason linked to your heart surgeries why you’ve ditched it, right?

That’s why I stopped wearing it last year. I got a little light-headed with it on. The valve in my heart was in really bad condition last year, so that was a big part of it. But not wearing a tie was just so much more comfortable for me. I feel it every time my heart beats. Every time. Since the very first surgery, I feel every beat. For me, it’s a comfort thing. I’ve talked to my doctors about it, and they said they are more comfortable with me not wearing a tie.

Like, it could be an issue that doesn’t go away.

Yeah, as the games go on, I can feel every beat more and more. It’s either that, or I look like Jim Calhoun with the knot of my tie hanging way down at the middle of my chest.

That haggard look is a good one, though. “This game is killing me!”

Yup. Exactly. Maybe I’ll grow a beard and do that.

What’s one concrete basketball thing you have taken from Flip Saunders, after playing for him and then working with him?

Honestly? The big thing is relationships. Flip was so good at having a feel for how you were doing. If you were struggling, he’d come put his arm around you. I remember he came back and talked to me for half an hour on a trip home one time, just to make sure I was doing OK. He has such a great feel in that respect.

We were playing a team in college that played a matchup zone. I went up to visit him to see if I could spend half an hour with him, just for some advice on the zone, and he ended up spending the whole day with me. We had a morning session, we had lunch, and then we had an afternoon session. To take the time like that, and go out of his way — he’d do anything for people he was close to.

People told me to ask about the music on your iPod.

I’m gonna keep that to myself.

Oh, come on.

Sorry!

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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/10/30/bulls-pick-up-options-on-tony-snell-doug-mcdermott/

Bulls Pick Up Options On Tony Snell, Doug McDermott
October 30, 2015 3:52 PM

(CBS) The Bulls have picked up their third-year option on wing Doug McDermott and fourth-year option on wing Tony Snell, they announced Friday. After the expected move, both players are now under contract through the 2016-’17 season.

McDermott was selected at No. 11 overall by Chicago in the 2014 draft. After a disappointing rookie season in which he was hampered by a knee injury and didn’t play consistently enough to get regular time, McDermott is expected to see an increased role under new coach Fred Hoiberg. He’s averaging 8.0 in 18.0 minutes through two games of the young season as he comes off the bench.

The 20th overall pick in the 2013 draft, Snell has started the first two games of this season with Mike Dunleavy out with a back injury. He’s averaging 10.5 points in 25.5 minutes.

  

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125. "Bulls seek local NBA Development League franchise in Hoffman Estates"
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-nbdl-bulls-franchise-spt-1031-20151030-story.html

Bulls seek local NBA Development League franchise in Hoffman Estates
By K.C. Johnson
October 30, 2015, 10:24 PM

The Bulls finally could develop strong ties with the NBA Development League.

The team confirmed it's trying to establish a franchise that would play at the Sears Centre Arena in Hoffman Estates starting in the 2016-17 season. The village board must approve the plan at a Nov. 2 meeting.

"Playing in the NBA's official minor league, a Bulls NBADL team will create tremendous opportunities to promote the game in our surrounding communities, extend the reach of the Bulls and deepen our integration with the community," the team said in a statement. "(It will also) establish a developmental program that will benefit our younger players in an atmosphere consistent with our NBA program."

Beyond the business impact, that last line is why the possibility excites the Bulls. Historically, the Bulls have been averse to using the league, letting their affiliation with the Iowa Energy lapse years ago.

But having a homegrown franchise in such close proximity to the parent NBA club could allow for valuable game experience for young, untested players. Several NBA franchises have developed similar situations, including the Spurs, whose Development League franchise is based in nearby Austin, Texas.

The Development League has changed its policy on the length of time that an NBA player must be sent down for. Theoretically, a rookie like, say, Bobby Portis or Cristiano Felicio could play in a D-League game one night and return to practice with the Bulls the next day.

Such a scenario would afford players valuable game action while still absorbing NBA practices and what the parent club is trying to instill.

The Daily Herald first reported the development.

  

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132. "Bulls win approval for D-League team in Hoffman Estates (swipe)"
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-bulls-hoffman-estates-20151110-story.html

Bulls win approval for D-League team in Hoffman Estates
By K.C. Johnson
November 10, 2015 11:57 AM

The Bulls scheduled a 2 p.m. news conference Wednesday at the United Center with Hoffman Estates representatives after the village board approved the team's plan to start a Development League franchise there for the 2016-17 season.

Though the lease agreement isn't finalized, the team is expected to win approval for 24 home games to be played at Sears Centre from November to April. The pending lease agreement is for five years, with renewal options up to 15 additional years.

From a business standpoint, the franchise provides branding and community outreach opportunities. On the basketball side, the proximity of the franchise would allow for more harmonious use than with the Bulls' former Development League affiliate, the Iowa Energy.

For instance, promising young big men Bobby Portis and Cristiano Felicio could receive valuable game conditioning and action with brief Development League stints while returning to practice with the Bulls. Players rehabilitating from injury also could be sent to the unnamed affiliate for conditioning.

At the news conference, the Bulls are expected to announce a contest for fans to name the franchise. NBA-owned Development League teams are becoming more common, with the Brooklyn Nets recently becoming the 12th such franchise in the 19-team league.

  

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126. "How much 3 can Nikola play?"
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Could certain lineups and match ups shift him to 3, play snell less, get Noah more pt and more importantly squeeze in Portis minutes. Or just try to trade taj?

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127. "Hornets hang 130 on the Bulls (SWIPE)"
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Waaaaaaaay too early to freak out. But a few things jump out...Da Mayor needs to get serious about defense. No, he doesn't have to go obsessive like Thibs, but he needs to build up a legit defensive philosophy. People talk about the high flying Curry Spice led Warriors...But they don't fuck around on the defensive end. Even their weak defenders go after it...

Also, I think we need to bring D Rose back a bit slower...It's not about dude once again having a poor shooting night (hell, everybody looked tuurrrrrible last night...Niko was OFF...Pau looked shook), it's WHY he's missing said shots...His double vision issues need to be dealt with seriously...Not on some "Derrick will play out of it..." Let Rose get healthier before trotting him out there like he's in his MVP year...

But hey...At least Bobby P. got some tick.....


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Lifeless Bulls taken apart vs. Hornets, allow 130 points
Written By Joe Cowley Posted: 11/0

CHARLOTTE, N.C. – How bad was Tuesday night for the Bulls?

They gave up 69 first-half points, were outrebounded 52-33, allowed the winless Charlotte Hornets to finally grab their first victory of the season, but maybe the worst indictment of the evening, actually played a part in resurrecting “Linsanity’’ – if just for a night – as back-up guard Jeremy Lin came off the bench and scored 15 points with a plus/minus of plus-21.

Then again, who didn’t score for Charlotte (1-3), as they crushed the Bulls 130-105 at the Time Warner Cable Arena?
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“It was a complete domination from the tip, and they just had their way with us,’’ Bulls coach Fred Hoiberg said. “We didn’t have any fight, no resolve, didn’t try and go back at them. Just kind of accepted it tonight.

“I mean you want to compete. There’s nights that the ball is not going to go in the basket, you gotta fight. I mean they scored over 30 every quarter, and that’s disappointing. Everyone seemed like they were on an island. Not only on defense, but offense and defense. Just not a good night.’’

The 130 points scored by the Hornets was the most they’ve ever scored against a Bulls team, and was the most since they scored 130 points back in 1997 against the Los Angeles Clippers.

Hoiberg admittedly didn’t see this one coming.

“You could sense it right away, and I’m shocked because we had a great shootaround morning,’’ Hoiberg said of the lack of energy. “We were as energetic in shootaround as we’ve been all year, and I guess I’ve been around long enough to know that doesn’t always carry over, but I loved our energy and spirit in shootaround. Obviously that did not carry over into the game.’’

Obviously.

And pick a player to blame.

Derrick Rose was still dealing with double vision, as well as inconsistent in pushing the ball up the court with the quick pace that Hoiberg wants to play with. Pau Gasol was having all kinds of trouble with Al Jefferson. While Nikola Mirotic shot 2-for-11 from the field, and his defensive holes were exposed.

There was a reason why those three starters each played under 24 minutes on the evening.

“We didn’t have an edge,’’ Rose said. “It showed. It’s frustrating. That’s the first time I think we saw that this season. we could talk about it, look at film. It’s all about giving that effort. That’s from the starters all the way down to the bench.

“I wouldn’t say embarrassing. It’s frustrating, knowing that we could’ve stopped it in the first quarter. When they were going on their run, we could’ve done something to adjust. But we took too long. I really think it was just the effort and having that competitive edge.’’

The Bulls might want to find that edge, and quickly. With Wednesday a practice day, Thursday the Bulls will welcome the Oklahoma City Thunder into town. If they thought Charlotte could score in bunches …

“We’ve got the most powerful offensive team in the league coming in on Thursday,’’ Hoiberg said. “Yeah, we’ll see what we’re made of.

“We’ve gotta bounce back with a great practice . You gotta get back there to erase the sting of this one. Just flush it down the toilet and hopefully move on with a better effort on Thursday.’’

It couldn’t be any worse.

link: http://chicago.suntimes.com/basketball/7/71/1070716/bulls-blown-charlotte

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128. "RE: Hornets hang 130 on the Bulls (SWIPE)"
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>...Da Mayor needs to get serious about defense. No, he
>doesn't have to go obsessive like Thibs, but he needs to build
>up a legit defensive philosophy.

Wasn't that one of the reasons Boylen was brought in?

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129. "RE: Hornets hang 130 on the Bulls (SWIPE)"
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>>...Da Mayor needs to get serious about defense. No, he
>>doesn't have to go obsessive like Thibs, but he needs to
>build
>>up a legit defensive philosophy.
>
>Wasn't that one of the reasons Boylen was brought in?


That's what they say.....

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130. "Windhorst: The Derrick Rose/ Bulls Breakup has begun"
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14054098

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131. "Based on hearsay from random people around the league"
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Clickbait, basically.

  

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133. "CIRCUS TRIP."
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SUNS
WARRIORS
BLAZERS
PACERS

Not sure we can beat GS, but I expect the Bulls to give them a tough game.

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134. "RE: CIRCUS TRIP."
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>SUNS
>WARRIORS
>BLAZERS
>PACERS
>
>Not sure we can beat GS, but I expect the Bulls to give them a
>tough game.


That GS game is looking a little shaky.....


We now down two PG's (Rose out...Now Brooks is dealing with a HAMMY.....)

Cap Kirk had a nice game last night. But if he's starting that GS game and our bench is depleted at the PG spot, it's going to be a long night....

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135. "really hoping Rose is healthy enough to play on Friday"
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If he is, I think it'll be a tight game and the Bulls will break another streak. You're right though, if not, our weakness at backup PG (even with Brooks) will be on full display. That's why I wanted to sign a better guard this year, no idea how GarPaxDorf don't see the need to with Derrick as the starting PG.

So far the Bulls are looking decent though, their defense has improved lately and guys are learning their roles. I'd like to see Rose & Butler develop more chemistry, and I think Snell needs to move to the bench for Doug. The Grim Reaper has been playing horribly as a starter and his defense, which is why he's out there in the first place, is only slightly better than McDermott's. Can't wait to get Dunleavy back, and when we do I hope McDermott gets more playing time than Snell.

Mirotic's been ass too. He's gotta get it together because as much as I like Crazy Eyes, Hoiberg doesn't trust him enough to be the stretch four that's needed for his offensive system. I'd like to see Bobby given a chance though.

I like what I'm seeing in Noah & Taj off the bench. Gasol's been solid. E'Twaun Moore has been good but both him and Brooks need to learn to run the offense if they want to play over Kurt Hinrich, who's been playing well since Hoi went to him.

Good win last night with Jimmy stepping up big. He seems to be on the brink of taking his offensive game to the next level but his ball-handling, first step, and footwork aren't quite there yet so he often has to rely on creating the contact and hoping the refs bail him out. His defense is still elite.

Let's see how this road trip goes. I'm more worried about that Blazers game. Get this: The Bulls haven't won in Portland since 2007. No player on this team has ever beaten the Blazers there as a Bull. Back-to-back streaks broken would be sweet.

  

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137. "RE: really hoping Rose is healthy enough to play on Friday"
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>If he is, I think it'll be a tight game and the Bulls will
>break another streak. You're right though, if not, our
>weakness at backup PG (even with Brooks) will be on full
>display. That's why I wanted to sign a better guard this year,
>no idea how GarPaxDorf don't see the need to with Derrick as
>the starting PG.


I'm baffled by this ^^^ too....



>I like what I'm seeing in Noah & Taj off the bench. Gasol's
>been solid. E'Twaun Moore has been good but both him and
>Brooks need to learn to run the offense if they want to play
>over Kurt Hinrich, who's been playing well since Hoi went to
>him.
>
>Good win last night with Jimmy stepping up big. He seems to be
>on the brink of taking his offensive game to the next level
>but his ball-handling, first step, and footwork aren't quite
>there yet so he often has to rely on creating the contact and
>hoping the refs bail him out. His defense is still elite.
>
>Let's see how this road trip goes. I'm more worried about that
>Blazers game. Get this: The Bulls haven't won in Portland
>since 2007. No player on this team has ever beaten the Blazers
>there as a Bull. Back-to-back streaks broken would be sweet.

That's a crazy ass record...Portland is still a tough place to play....

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136. "i'd be fairly surprised if rose isn't active friday night."
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there was no swelling in the ankle. he should be good to go.

>We now down two PG's (Rose out...Now Brooks is dealing with a
>HAMMY.....)
>
>Cap Kirk had a nice game last night. But if he's starting that
>GS game and our bench is depleted at the PG spot, it's going
>to be a long night....

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138. "RE: i'd be fairly surprised if rose isn't active friday night."
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>there was no swelling in the ankle. he should be good to go.

No doubt I wanna see Rose vs. Curry...But I'd rather dude sit out until he's right. I'm more concerned that our back up PG situation is looking REALLY shaky.

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139. "snell needs to be the starter."
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http://tinyurl.com/qazstfr

the defense when he and butler are on the floor together is stellar (89.9 pts allowed per 100 possessions, +14.7 net rating)

butler + mcdermott? not so much. (team-worst 110.9 pts allowed per 100 possessions, -19.8 net rating)

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140. "So...."
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what do we see from this Bulls team for the rest of the season?

Getting 42 points scored on you in the 4th Q by the Suns (a decent team; no scrubs for sure....but come on....) is indeed alarming....Not cause to jump out the window....

But when the best player on the floor the last few games is a 35 year old big man who should not be relied upon to put up such numbers (Pau was on one: 22 Pts, 10 Reb, 6 Ast, 2 Stl, 3 Blks), there is something eyebrow raising going on...

Defensive issues (coaching?)....Yep...

Butler, AGAIN, playing too many minutes.....Yep...

Rose not getting to the FT line.....Yep....

The talk of trading Pooh needs to slow down because at this point you can't get a suitable deal done for obvious reasons....Plus, despite his anemic, at times terrible shooting, he has been impressive on defense....Hopefully he can get pass his shooting woes....

I don't know....Maybe it's time to truly shake up this team. I like Jo and Taj....But it may be time to start hitting the phones. I know that's not the Bulls brass style. But being just decent in the East, when its so wide open, is not good enough....

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141. "Coaching"
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Last night was Hoi's loss.

He kept Pau in during that run the suns made and he kept lagging off that pick and roll. Knight got going, E-bled chipped in, they get an offensive board...game.

All he had to do was bench Pau and put in Noah, W. He'd get play stopping boards and cover that P/R MUCH better.

I'm not sure what to think right now but Dunny is sorely missed. While Dougie and Snell might be able to replace his offensive production, neither are as good of a team defender and he's a sneaky rebounder due to his length. A lot of our issues would probably be minimized if he was healthy.

I don't know if a trade is pending (or what makes sense at this point) but they need to figure out how to close teams out (ESPECIALLY at home). A 16pt lead in the 4th at the crib should = double digit win, not 2 pt loss at the buzzer.

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142. "ain't nothing wrong with the damn defense, man."
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>Defensive issues (coaching?)....Yep...

they're one of the best defensive teams in the league. 3rd in points allowed per 100 possessions, and 1st in opponents' effective field goal percentage.

don't overreact over one bad quarter. the defense is fine. it's the offense that ain't working. and it's because the team leader in FGAs/game has the 3rd worst FG% in the league.

D gotta play better. point blank, period. he some bullshit right now.

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>it's the offense that ain't working. and it's because the team
>leader in FGAs/game has the 3rd worst FG% in the league.
>
>D gotta play better. point blank, period. he some bullshit
>right now.
>

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145. "RE: ain't nothing wrong with the damn defense, man."
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>>Defensive issues (coaching?)....Yep...
>
>they're one of the best defensive teams in the league. 3rd in
>points allowed per 100 possessions, and 1st in opponents'
>effective field goal percentage.


I know what the stats say....In fact, I've pointed the very same thing...For the most part the Bulls perimeter D (Butler and Rose) has been pretty damn good...

But....

>don't overreact over one bad quarter. the defense is fine.
>it's the offense that ain't working. and it's because the team
>leader in FGAs/game has the 3rd worst FG% in the league.

This is where it gets complex....It's not that the Bulls r bad on D....Its that the Bulls have been hot and cold when it comes to DEFENSE LATE IN GAMES....It seems like teams have no fear of this team in the 4th Q's....

And they are relying too much on one on one defense...If Jimmy ain't being SHUT DOWN MECHANIC and Rose isn't raising his defensive game on a nightly basis, this team is toast....They are coasting in that regard....I had my issues with Thibs. But one thing I will say is he made EVERYONE on the team accountable on D....Da Mayor's offensive issues work hand in hand with some of their late defensive woes....Hell, we can't even get Noah, are best defending BIG, on the floor in crunch time because he can't make basket.....

>D gotta play better. point blank, period. he some bullshit
>right now.

Rose has been terrible on offense...It's just that simple....

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154. "I thought we were supposed to be running. But we're plodding. "
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>D gotta play better. point blank, period. he some bullshit
>right now.
>

And that begins and ends with Derrick. I thought that preseason Dallas game was an indication of things to come with Rose running down hill. But we'e doing the complete opposite now. Not sure what's going on but he needs to snap out of it.

  

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143. "East closed, dogg. LMAO!"
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146. "RE: East closed, dogg. LMAO!"
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Dog...stick to Duke games....

U not watching these East Coast games unless u got a Dukie involved. And Kyrie still resting up. So how would u know what Cleveland is doing?...lol

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148. "HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!"
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you mad because i'm telling you the truth...you KNOW the bulls or anybody else ain't beatin the cavs.

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150. "RE: HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!"
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>
>you mad because i'm telling you the truth...you KNOW the bulls
>or anybody else ain't beatin the cavs.


What truth? Cleveland has been taking their fair share of L's this season, too....Dealing with injuries, Bron's own back issues, Kyrie, ect....

The East ain't no cake walk this year, dog....Forget about my Bulls, homie...The Cavs may have issues getting through the Pacers or even Atlanta...Detroit has been killing teams on the boards...Hell Toronto ain't scared of the Cavs or anyone for that matter...

What I'm saying is simply this...U better than this...lol

Chill with that Duke agenda Trolling and watch some actual games....

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152. "K"
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____________________________________________________


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153. "RE: K"
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^^^^^Brilliant.....

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155. "i mean, i ain't talking in circles with you all year..."
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Fri Dec-11-15 09:48 AM by Basaglia

  

          

i know your position. you know mine. we good.

hey, maybe all three of them get hurt in this year's playoffs and y'all have to beat shump, moz, jr, tristan and change.

who knows, right?

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147. "THE CHICAGO BULLS ARE NOT GOOD (swipe)"
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http://thecomeback.com/blog/nba/the-chicago-bulls-are-not-good.html

THE CHICAGO BULLS ARE NOT GOOD
Posted by Seerat Sohi on Dec 2, 2015 12:00

When the Chicago Bulls hired Fred Hoiberg to replace former head coach Tom Thibodeau, a new era was ushered in, and nothing was set in stone.

That nothing was set in stone, in fact, was the fundamental point of the offseason. The Thibodeau Bulls were an unknowable quantity, perpetually mired by injuries, a retrograde offense, and a minutes distribution that favoured veterans to the point of running them into the ground. One always got the sense they stymied potential for the sake of stability, an assumption that rested on the belief that there was indeed, beneath the inefficiencies, potential.

Hoiberg’s pace-and-space sensibilities—decidedly new-age—would help chemically realign the roster in a manner that fit with the 21st century, thus prompting fans and analysts alike to spend another November paying close attention to the Bulls, eagerly awaiting a sign of progress.

The early returns don’t exactly lend themselves to championship optimism. The Bulls’ 10-5 record, third in the East, is like a shag area rug blanketed over a wine-stained carpet. Per 100 possessions, the Bulls are tucked snugly into the sweaty armpit of mediocrity, outscoring teams by just 0.3 points, which ranks ninth in the East. On Monday against the Spurs, they couldn’t hit a field goal in the final seven minutes and barely escaped with a three-point victory. Of their 10 wins, only two came by a margin of more than six points.

More importantly, the competition is better than ever. Historically, Chicago staved off implications of mediocrity by hinging steadfastly to the belief that bad injury luck foiled their chances, that a healthy Bulls’ squad was the East’s best shot at punting LeBron. The emergence of Atlanta, Miami and Indiana have shattered that internal logic. Against the East’s emerging middle class, merely holding steady would have been disastrous; what’s worse, the Bulls have maintained relative health and somehow regressed. As a result, the expectations propped onto Hoiberg’s shoulders rest under an uneasy anxiety: If things don’t work out now, will they ever? Were they ever meant to?

Disappointment mounts, the old internal logic no longer fits, a new axiom emerges: We have the talent, but lack the consistency. And like all inconsistent oufits, the Bulls’ self-belief hangs on the flickering delusion that they’re really meant to be their best selves all the time, if only they could hammer in some nails and tighten a few bolts.

After letting the decrepit Philadelphia 76ers hang around too long, Pau Gasol opened up on the team’s “up-and-down” execution, saying, “We have a lot of talent. It would be a waste if we didn’t play better than we are right now.”

Hoiberg, at practice the day before the Bulls’ victory against Portland, said, “I feel like if we play the way we’re capable of, we continually play hard and not forget how hard you have to play in order to win games on the road or at home, we’ll be fine.” All the way from Derrick Rose to Joakim Noah to Jimmy Butler, the call for execution and aggressiveness has become a familiar refrain. Perhaps that’s why Butler, who keeps churning out impressive performances while battling a heel injury, is pondering whether or not he should get an MRI — just one of the many indications that this team is still steeped in the past.

It can be argued that Chicago, for whom consistency truly became an issue in Thibodeau’s final season, simply wore tired of his uber-disciplined approach, that they were tapped out and in need of new invigoration. An alternative theory is that consistency can’t be willed into existence by sheer desire; that it’s structural, a product of the execution of a balanced attack.

Chicago’s offense, a relic featuring midrange shots, uncreative post entries and mucky space, was supposed to be flipped over on its head by Hoiberg’s read-and-react system. Instead, an even higher portion of their shots are from the mid-range area, with only as many threes as last year, and far less free throw attempts. What Hoiball relies heavily on is improvisation, and an improvisational offense with ball-handlers who fluctuate wildly in aggressiveness — this isn’t limited to Rose — will naturally lead to inconsistent playmaking. Likely, it will lead to the ball to places the defense wants if to go, like 19 feet from the basket, especially if the old regime ingrained those shots into learned habit. Finally, when the team is fully of streaky shooters, those shots will fall at a rate that is — say it with me, now — inconsistent. In the absence of firepower and creativity, improvisation morphs into disorganization. It’s here that the sharpest critique against Hoiberg can be lodged. Until the front office brings in players suited for Hoiball, his innovations should skew toward structure and discipline.

As of now, the player best suited for Hoiberg’s style is Doug McDermott, Chicago’s best shooter and resident defensive sieve. His counterpart, Tony Snell, escapes the ‘wildly streaky’ tag only if he’s pitted against Nikola Mirotic, who only shoots either 1-for-5 or 3-for-6 from deep, depending on which way the wind blows. Taj Gibson, a dependable rim-roller, can’t extend past 16 feet. Noah — Monday’s game against the Spurs withstanding — can’t hit a layup, let alone a jumper, and Pau Gasol’s game is archaic, whether he’s lobbing shots from the low- or high post.

Kirk Hinrich has been a pleasant surprise, and that doesn’t bode well for anyone.

To say nothing of Rose, the depressing gooey core of this squished donut, who is trying desperately to chase a version of himself that existed four years ago. He’s honing a midrange bankshot, as though the league hasn’t diametrically changed. He worked on floaters and short jumpers in the offseason, as though he wasn’t planning on launching — and bricking — over two threes per game. With Kobe-esque mania and denialism, he is shooting 15 shots per game and making just five. I don’t know what’s more depressing: that he’s trying, quite literally, to shoot himself through an eye injury, or that this is the healthiest he’s been in years. For years, the NBA has running in the opposite direction of Rose’s skillset. His idea of catching up? Running in the opposite direction.

Little by little, this season feels like the final turn of the knob for this iteration of the Bulls. Occasionally, Hoiberg finds a momentary elixir in hot-shooting lineups that move the ball. But eventually, everything fractures. Shooters lose steam. Snell, in one breath, manages to travel off the catch and dribble the ball off his foot. Noah lobs the ball over the backboard. All the while, Hoiberg introduces new sets, tries every possible lineup combination and hurtles into the same old inevitabilities. Tasked with welding copper-level talent into championship gold — and stop me if any of this sounds familiar — he continually runs into failure, while everyone watching knows that the Bulls, an organization short on risk, are reluctant to make mid-season trades.

To be fair, though, they’ve sure given him a nice collection of talent to work with!

  

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151. "RE: THE CHICAGO BULLS ARE NOT GOOD (swipe)"
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Again....the chemistry and 4th Q shooting and key defensive assignments (if Jimmy is not being Superman on D, the Bulls lose) on this team is the issue......If we are going to be a 1st round out then it may be time for a serious shake things up.....



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149. "What has Hoiberg done to earn the benefit of the doubt? "
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Where is the true outrage?

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156. "Butler wants Hoiberg to hold team, himself accountable."
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https://twitter.com/ChrisKuc/status/678419967486857216

"I believe in the guys in this locker room, but I also believe
we probably have to be coached a lot harder at times.
I'm sorry, I know Fred is a laidback guy and I really respect
him for that. But when guys aren't doing what they're supposed
to do, you have to get on guys -- myself included."

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157. "Free og Bobby portis"
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158. "RE: Free og Bobby portis"
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^^^^^^^

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159. "yeah, fuck this team. "
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Entitled bunch of lazy pussies.

I have no idea what Fred is doing but I'm going to assume this shitty play is partially on him and partially on the players stuck in their hard-headed ways. Both parties fucking suck.

Derrick don't care. Dude thinking taking a back seat to your offensive minded teammates means doing nothing. Literally nothing. Seems like those injuries really fucked up his mental state. Sad, sad story all around here.

Pau can't move. Not his fault but he can't move. He scores a lot, he gives up some on the other end. He's also a ball stopper. Pretty much shoots every time he touches the ball. I miss top-3 passing big man Pau.

Jimmy is awesome but ISO ball/ball stopping is not ideal for (what I assume) Fred is trying to do. Jimmy insists on those ISO's which is cool, but he gonna have to bend a lil to fit into this offense. He's a reason for the stagnation ss much as anyone else is. He also needs to chill with calling out the coach. He ain't earned LeBron stripes yet. Foh with that.

Niko takes horrible shots. I have no idea what he's thinking. His regression has really screwed us.

Not going to take the time to rant about anyone else because their leaders are failing them.

But yeah, watching this team is a chore. They don't look like they enjoy playing with each other. Hell, they don't even look like they enjoy playing basketball (aside from Jimmy and Jo). Pathetic all around. Bunch of lazy entitled hard-headed pussiss.

This better be rock bottom. Unfortunately (or fortunately) any resurgence will probably start with Derrick getting his head out of his ass. Dude needs to try hard (so basic but so difficult for him) every night, not just the nights we play on national television. At the end of the day this team still lives and dies with his play.

End rant.

  

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http://s3.amazonaws.com/illroots3-images/articles/26523/image/1415048893/search_results.gif?1415080967

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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161. "RE: yeah, fuck this team. "
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>This better be rock bottom. Unfortunately (or fortunately) any
>resurgence will probably start with Derrick getting his head
>out of his ass. Dude needs to try hard (so basic but so
>difficult for him) every night, not just the nights we play on
>national television. At the end of the day this team still
>lives and dies with his play.


I don't think the fans get it...This will be D. Rose for the rest of his career...up and down...And that has more to do with the realities of the effects of serious injuries than dude needing to get his head out of his head...

This is Jimmy's team. And Da Mayor needs to coach better down the stretch. His decisions during that consecutive overtime game against Detroit were ridiculous. Losing to the Nets though? Np good at all...Hopefully that injury to Noah is not as bad as it looks....

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162. "Zach Lowe"
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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14417182/the-bulls-trying-struggling-figure-are

"there is a powerful team buried in here somewhere, but the longer they fight among themselves and struggle to score, the more it feels like the Bulls won't uncover it."

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163. "Z-Lowe the gawd indeed. Everything is spot on "
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Overall this team is made up of a bunch of weirdos stuck in their own world (aside from Jo).

Pau's ego and his inability to come off the bench. I think he should come off the bench, personally.

Derrick dunking for the first time anyone could remember in a warmup and how it stunned team officials. That pretty much sums up 2015 Derrick.

Jimmy's ISO's and overall rise to stardom being a gift and a curse.

Pretty much nothing else needs to be written anout these Bulls. Zach summed up everything perfectly.

  

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165. "^^^I think its time to think about blowing this shit up "
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keep jim, doug, and mirotic

fuck it
im tired of this shit too

I hate this post injury rose i knew he was gonna be a problem when he had that dumb ass bush

  

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164. "Wilbon goes in...:"
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http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=14426704&ex_cid=espnapi_internal

________________________________________
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

  

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166. "And folks were...(Sporting News breakdown of Bulls' struggles)"
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.....giving me the side-eye when I said THIS team ain't it...I saw the handwriting on the wall when we got beat by Bron and a bunch of role players last season....

But it's hard for some Bulls fans to admit. They continue to bring up meaningless stats....It's not that we have BAD players...It's just that the Bulls past winning formula (with Thibs) seemed entirely entrenched playing a certain style of ball: ugly, slow-it-down, defense-or-die, bring-u-down-to-my-offensive level ball....It seems Thibs understood the caliber of players he had.

Da Mayor is trying to drive a Tank in a Formula 1 race....And to be truthfully about it, it's not a simple blame game...We all screamed for a faster, more modern offense. But what Bulls fans r finding out now is WE DON'T HAVE THE PLAYERS TO ADOPT THAT STYLE.

Anyway, the Sporting News breaks it down way better than I can....It is what it is...either blow it up and or start playing to this team's strengths......
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The Sporting News
By Ian Levy
Contributor
Published on Dec. 23, 2015


Fred Hoiberg was hired to solve the Chicago Bulls' offensive stagnation. He was expected to be the anti-Tom Thibodeau and to help Chicago speed up the tempo while adding movement and spacing.

Yet a third of the way through the season, the Bulls' locker room is cracking. All-Star guard Jimmy Butler even called Hoiberg out , saying that he and his teammates need to be coached harder. However you feel about Butler's comments, though, Hoiberg has made a difference. It simply hasn't led to improvement.

Chicago averages 98.4 points per 100 possessions , 27th in the league. That mark is discouraging on its own but even worse with the context that it is more than six points per 100 possessions worse than what they managed last season under Thibodeau. The thing is, Hoiberg has delivered on changing the Bulls' offensive system.

The chart below compares the team's offense on four stylistic traits—pace, ball movement, people movement and shot selection—from this season and last season. The further a line stretches to the perimeter, the better in each category.

Every team has its own recipe, but this is what a system is designed to accomplish: high-value scoring opportunities. Chicago is doing the system work but not generating the return in easy baskets. For example, even with an increased pace, the Bulls still aren't getting much out of their transition game. According to the play-type statistics at NBA.com , they rank 25th in transition opportunities and 26th in transition efficiency. Although they're generating a healthy number of catch-and-shoot 3-pointers, very few of them are wide open (ranking 25th in uncontested 3-pointers, via Nylon Calculus ).

And this is just a matter of structure and system, what their movements, cuts, passes, and screens create. As ESPN's Zach Lowe pointed out , the Bulls are also struggling to convert high-quality looks when they actually get them:

Even when the Bulls barrel to the basket, they finish at a comically bad rate. The Bulls have hit just 53.1 percent of their shots within the restricted area, on pace to be the lowest rate since the NBA began tracking precise shot location data in 2000, per NBA.com. (Derrick) Rose and (Joakim) Noah have been among the worst rim finishers in the league. Rose isn't even close on some of his patented transition rushes. He often gets all-backboard on desperate flings, and knee injuries have sapped his leaping ability.

There are a lot of explanations for the disparity here. Rose's shooting has been a disaster this season, and Nikola Mirotic has struggled mightily as well. As the Bulls miss shots, the spacing gets tighter, the margins for error slimmer and the good looks harder to find. Hoiberg has already started tinkering with lineups, moving Mirotic to small forward and looking at different frontcourt combinations.

But the ultimate problem is a feedback loop of personnel and system undermining each other. The basic elements of what Hoiberg wants to do are showing up, but Chicago doesn't have the shooters or finishers to make it successful. As the defense adjusts for their inefficiency, getting good looks out of the systemic elements becomes harder and harder.

Even with that problem, Chicago's offense shouldn't be quite this bad. Poor execution in places has hurt them. Stagnation in some old familiar places — Pau Gasol postups and Rose drives — have chipped away at the rhythm. Noah's decline, Rose's double-vision and Mike Dunleavy's absence have all raised the level of difficulty. And through that all, the Bulls are 15-11. If the question is where to point an accusatory finger, Hoiberg's offensive design is probably the wrong culprit. The intention is good. The execution has not been.

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167. "Friedell made a good point on this podcast."
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(link to the podcast below)

I'm paraphrasing.

But the Bulls played 5 years under Thibs. Especially Butler.
Then the FO brings in the ANTI-Thibs.
That is part of the problem. The Bulls really only know how to play one way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2015/12/23/podcast-nick-friedell-on-the-chicago-bulls/

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168. "Um, Jimmy Butler has accomplished more than Hoiberg"
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So why is the ENTIRE narrative negative about Butler's
comments?


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169. "The org is low key demonizing him, me thinks."
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Beat reporters who write nothing of substance 362 days a year suddenly have "sources." Stories go from the standard beat writer fare to these pseudo-investigative pieces where they know everything after knowing nothing for 99% of the year. Happens every year to someone who dares to step out of line. Can't make the higher ups look bad, ya know?

I guess this shouldn't come as a huge surprise when your GM is a Republican leaning military guy (Paxson).

  

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170. "Odd, cuz Jimmy was the anti-Rose before"
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"Works hard, does the right thing" guy

Now he's demonized for having an opinion

I've been both black guys, white people will pick and
choose as they please

Gross


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171. "we need jo. kind of badly"
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been a nice win streak but we're giving up way too many points.

really hope pau's minutes are cut down when jo comes back. there are some matchups that just don't favor pau (i.e. horford giving him the business) but fred continues to run him out there for long stretches. pau gonna need to check that ego and understand he's close to boozer status on that end of the floor. no room for entitlement minutes on this team. and that includes derrick

we're being exploited nightly on that high pick and roll. pau can't recover. derrick's not helping things either with his half ass attempts to fight thru screens. really hope the minutes are split evenly amongst Jo/Taj/Niko/Pau with Bobby getting 10 minutes when possible.

need a fresh pau for the playoffs. also need to maintain some type of defensive identity. hopefully those minutes get revised a bit in the upcoming weeks.

  

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172. "When Hoiberg put Gasol in w/ 7 min left.."
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...I turned the TV off.

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173. "Why is there no narrative about his IQ? "
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Oh, I know

  

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174. "Entitlement minutes. So frustrating. "
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Stating the obvious here but Pau is hopeless on the pick and roll. We're absolutely abused just about every night via the most elementary play in basketbal.

At this point he needs to play roughly 25 minutes per. 28 min tonight was a good start. Obviously those minutes should be higher if the matchup calls for it. We have other issues on that side of the ball but the pick and roll problem is the basis for everything.

  

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175. "RE: Entitlement minutes. So frustrating. "
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>Stating the obvious here but Pau is hopeless on the pick and
>roll. We're absolutely abused just about every night via the
>most elementary play in basketbal.
>
>At this point he needs to play roughly 25 minutes per. 28 min
>tonight was a good start. Obviously those minutes should be
>higher if the matchup calls for it. We have other issues on
>that side of the ball but the pick and roll problem is the
>basis for everything.


I mean...U making too much sense.....

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176. "So Bulls r down to Philly right now...."
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I know we r banged up...No Noah...No Rose, no Dunny...ect....

But come the fuck on....being down double digits to the 76ers?

Straight fuckery.....Shots r off...It's basically Jimmy or bust....

I expect them to come back...But it shouldn't even come to that....

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177. "Hoiberg get any blame, or naw? "
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>
>
>I know we r banged up...No Noah...No Rose, no Dunny...ect....
>
>But come the fuck on....being down double digits to the 76ers?
>
>
>Straight fuckery.....Shots r off...It's basically Jimmy or
>bust....
>
>I expect them to come back...But it shouldn't even come to
>that....


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178. "RE: Hoiberg get any blame, or naw? "
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Right now Butler got 53 points in the column.....No time for this right now, homie...

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180. "you got time now, cuz?"
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182. "RE: you got time now, cuz?"
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Sure kiddo....This is what happens when you are counted on to be EVERYTHING on a team...U see, Klay doesn't have to worry about that...He has a bad game and GS still wins...Out of the lineup, GS still wins...ect, ect...

Jimmy's tongue was hanging out of his mouth after dropping 53 in a game that he wasn't even scheduled to play (dude was a game time decision...)

U r pressed...lol

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186. "We not don't physical condition into account. He played"
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179. "Yeah, fuck this team. "
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Need a trade. Must add energy/athleticism. Team is slow and lazy as fuck.

  

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181. "Which team that would trade for vets has trade worthy athletes?"
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>Need a trade. Must add energy/athleticism. Team is slow and
>lazy as fuck.

-The Rockets could trade T-Jones, D-Mo, Brewer/Ariza/KJ, Lawson for a couple of Bulls vets (Pau/Taj/Noah) but I'm not sure if any of those are going to move the needle for the Bulls.

-The Nuggets are probably willing to part with Faried but why in the hell would they be interested in any of the Bulls vets?

-Maybe Tyson/Morris for Joakim/Pau if the Bulls want to gamble but that might end up like the Ty Lawson trade, lol.

-OKC has had interest in Pau but they maxed out Kanter.

-Whiteside/Deng for Joakim if the Heat are looking for someone to keep Wade company in the training room.

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183. "this is the most frustrating Bulls team to watch since 07-08"
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Definitely the worst of this decade too. Yea, they can string a couple of wins together, and Jimmy Butler's game will continue to evolve, but they're just going to lose badly in the early rounds of the playoffs. No Bulls fan who has been watching this season actually thinks they stand a chance against elite teams in a 7 game series. The team has shown no heart or effort, just empty postgame quotes and an inability to play efficient basketball on both ends of the floor at the same time.

GarPaxDorf's gamble on Fred Hoiberg looks to be a failure. The offensive system that he's trying to implement isn't possible with the roster he has. He relies on forwards who quickly move the ball without overthinking, know how & when to cut and drive to the lane, and hit open shots. Snell, McDermott, and Mirotic are either too young to be comfortable on an NBA court or try to make up for their defensive failures by aggressively taking bad shots. Hoiball needs a stretch 4, but Niko is slow and predictable, Taj can't shoot outside of 15 ft, and Bobby Portis is a rookie. Our two playable centers (now likely down to one) either can't play offense or don't play defense. Derrick Rose can't shoot and forgot how to finish at the rim. We're nearly halfway through the season and Hoiberg hasn't decided on a backup PG. Jimmy Butler is the only silver lining but he can't play with Rose. The whole team looks lost on offense, with passes swinging around the perimeter until there are ten seconds left, forcing someone into an isolation.

The defense is horrible because there is absolutely no toughness. I've heard opposing players on the court loudly proclaim we're soft and they're right. There is no defensive intensity and every team now thinks they can score on us. This team is used to being yelled at and hooked for a blown assignment but now it's not a big deal because everybody is getting beat. Some players have even been forced to go through the media to ask Hoiberg to scold them for shitty defense. None of our forwards play good perimeter defense and we have no rim protection whatsoever. Opponents gameplans are as simple as getting Pau in a pick and roll or forcing the Bulls to switch until they go at our variety of weak defenders. With the game on the line we get repeatedly burned by the simplest play in basketball, and we have no problem letting teams run up the score on us early on.

This team is ass, Thibs is righteously cackling somewhere, and the roster needs to be blown up. Keep Jimmy, McDermott, Portis, Moore, and Felício and start from scratch. Maybe Rose for another year if he can learn to defer to Jimmy. Since we're stuck with a 5 year $25 million contract to a rookie coach we might as well build a team designed to work with his system. And he's got to learn how to bring some toughness and intensity out of his players. But GarPaxDorf have done nothing well aside from a few mid-draft steals (plus a couple of blatant misses) and I have no confidence in them to successfully rebuild a contending team in the next 5 years.


TLDR: Fuck this team, Hoiberg was a bad choice, blow it up with GarPaxDorf inside.

The good news is Mike Dunleavy will be back soon and magically save this season.

  

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184. "and with all of that said"
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chicago still has the 7th best record in the nba and is 7-1 against the teams ahead of them.

I can understand being frustrated, but jeez. everything isn't doom and gloom, bro. yall dudes gotta take it easy with that, it's not a healthy way to live.

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189. "i just call it like i see it dula"
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i'm guessing you're not optimistic about this team's playoff chances either. the difference between this year's Bulls and the last 5 is that in past years, their tenacity and effort made it hard to count them out. they were never going to get outworked by the other team and no matter what they would go down swinging. now there's no fight in this team. i could see them easily losing in the first round.

totally with you that everything isn't doom and gloom. life is good and i'm happy and optimistic for the future, except for the Bulls. This Bulls team has lost its identity and after this year will be in full rebuild mode, with an unproven coach who needs a perfect roster for his system and a FO that hasn't shown the creativity needed to build one. I'll always be a fan but these next couple of years might be tough.

  

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194. "where i'm at:"
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the bulls have at times this season played undeniably great
basketball (the aforementioned 7-1 vs the top 6) and i'm (very)
cautiously optimistic that they can still get to a point where
they're playing that way consistently.

that's pretty much it. i'm not harboring any illusions of them
winning the title (either GS or the spurs are winning it all) so
falling short of that wouldn't be a disappointment for me. i still
think that at their best this team is easily the 2nd best in the east.
listening to some of the fan chatter, you'd think they were the 2nd worst.

the team is clearly in a transitional, rebuilding-on-the-fly-
without-bottoming-out type of year. the fact that they're still
having a significant degree of success, while in the process of
tweaking the personnel to optimize the coaching philosophy, is
commendable imo.

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196. "I'm with Dula but I have dash of mash's POV as well"
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People keep forgetting that the east is the stronger overall conference now too. The teams that were sucky have started to develop players from those drafts they were in. Teams have been together for a while and are gaining continuity.

We could stand to be younger and more versatile on the inside (Pau, Taj and Noah are all on the wrong side of 30). But like Dula said, we're rebuilding on the fly without blowing it up. Portis and Niko is the prototype for what our interior will look like going forward. They just have to learn how to be NBA pro's a little more.

The issue is, the fanbase has title aspirations and this team looks more transitional than contender right now.

There are flaws; Pau's pnr defense, Rose's lack of aggression and fleeting health, some key vets out (Dunny longer than expected and now Noah for the season) and the inconsistent defense overall.

But there are good things as well; Snell and McBucketts getting comfortable being on the court, Jimmy evolving after the huge deal, Portis getting tick, our ability to close a gap quickly with our offense and D clicking (I felt like in the past our O wasn't good enough to do this swiftly), we're a better 3 point shooting team.

This team can beat ANYBODY if they are keyed in. The issue is, keying in is fleeting for this team. I attribute that to age (too old in some spots, too young in others) and transitioning.

At this point, I'm more concerned about the last 2 months of the season than I am where we are right today. If we can stay top 4-5 in the east until the last two months then start to find our way, we'll get the #2 or 3 seed. And we'll look good going into the playoffs. I'd be more optimistic on our chances to win the east if so.

But I agree with Dula, I no longer place them in contention. To me it's Warriors, Spurs, Cavs then everyone else.

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197. "RE: I'm with Dula but I have dash of mash's POV as well"
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>This team can beat ANYBODY if they are keyed in. The issue
>is, keying in is fleeting for this team. I attribute that to
>age (too old in some spots, too young in others) and
>transitioning.

My thing is, if we are going to continue to go up and down while building on the fly we might as well blow up the whole thing....

I've said it before and I'll say it again....If u bring in a new coach who is trying to implement a new faster paced and movement oriented style of play, then why not go all the way with it?

I know the fans don't want to hear anything about rebuilding...But as u noted, the East is tougher this year...Teams like Detroit and Atlanta are looking like the Bulls like we are cooked food...

Keep Jimmy, McBuckets, Portis, and some of the more younger players...And cut bait with Taj, Pau, and (I hate to say it) Rose...

Do I know how the Bulls r going to make such moves? Nope...I just know that if the Bulls r serious about the future and going beyond just being a "good" team who could be a 1st round out, then they need to start rebuilding sooner than later...

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191. "For real. It's Year 1 with a roster he inherited."
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The assets that work well for his offense are young. The ones that don't... well, they may be traded in the offseason. You don't punt this early into a new coach's regime.

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185. "Who would have been a better choice?"
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And how much further do you really think a different coach could take this roster?

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187. "o so now we tryna defend the coach? Bwahahah"
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188. "Idgaf lol. Im asking him about his opinions"
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Id be thrilled if Hoiberg turned them into a laughingstock.

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190. "I don't know, but Hoiberg came a year too early"
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The roster just isn't built for his system and he would (will) serve better as a rebuilding coach with young players than as a rookie coach trying to tweak veterans' playing styles for one last hurrah.

Maybe a coach like Avery Johnson would have been a good one year rental; somebody who has won big before and can make a veteran team compete at a high level. But it's unfair to bring in a guy for one year before the roster is blown up, which frankly was always going to happen with this team.

I still stand by what I said earlier that on paper, this is one of the best rosters in the league. Injuries, lack of progression, and inability to adapt to new roles/style of play have held the Bulls back, along with a peculiar lack of effort/focus.

  

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192. "Joakim out for the season, so Bulls about to lose Rose/Jo for nothing"
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Shyt, they could even have traded Thibs last season for a 1st rd pick.

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193. "Noah out 4-6 months. "
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This is obviously huge. One of the few guys on the team that plays with energy. Always assumed our resurgence this year would come when Noah got healthy. Fuck.

Last night could've been his last game as a Bull. Very sad.

  

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195. "RE: Noah out 4-6 months. "
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>This is obviously huge. One of the few guys on the team that
>plays with energy. Always assumed our resurgence this year
>would come when Noah got healthy. Fuck.
>
>Last night could've been his last game as a Bull. Very sad.


Damn, man...Just damn....

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198. "seems like bron regards chicago more highly than a lot of their fans do."
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http://www.nba.com/video/games/cavaliers/2016/01/19/0021500622-gsw-cle-postgame.nba/

mentions them 3x here (along w/ GS and san antonio) as being on his radar. kind of confirms what i've always suspected, which is that chicago's the only team in the east that's really earned dude's respect as an opponent.

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199. "Dude shot 39% & committed 27 TOs with a HEALTHY Kyrie vs. Jimmy"
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>http://www.nba.com/video/games/cavaliers/2016/01/19/0021500622-gsw-cle-postgame.nba/
>
>mentions them 3x here (along w/ GS and san antonio) as being
>on his radar. kind of confirms what i've always suspected,
>which is that chicago's the only team in the east that's
>really earned dude's respect as an opponent.

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200. "if this team decides to stop with the mental flatulence I think we can "
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challenge bronny this year.

losing noah is huge but i guess he could possibly come back in may. that would be a nice morale boost.

nice to see derrick trending upwards (18 ppg on 47% since Christmas). i'm sure this trend will continue.

would like to see doug get a shot at the starting lineup again (like tonight against barnes). i still think dougie can still be that x factor. i think his defense will improve with in-game reps (also helps that he never has to guard the opponents best). tony just isn't a starter in this league.

but yeah, we need to stop fucking around and buckle down. we're more than capable of it.

  

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201. "RE: seems like bron regards chicago more highly than a lot of their fans..."
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>http://www.nba.com/video/games/cavaliers/2016/01/19/0021500622-gsw-cle-postgame.nba/
>
>mentions them 3x here (along w/ GS and san antonio) as being
>on his radar. kind of confirms what i've always suspected,
>which is that chicago's the only team in the east that's
>really earned dude's respect as an opponent.


I'm just going to leave this one alone....

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202. "Going to acknowledge an elephant in the room here"
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Jimmy and the "Me" shots. Being going on low key all year but tonight was particularly worrisome. Stacy wasn't feeling it at all. When Stacy comes with the subtle criticism something is amiss. Leaders don't do the "Me" shot thing unless said leader is a first ballot hall of famer type of guy. Jimmy is not that guy and he doesn't have to be on this team, even with Derrick injured.

This team needs to learn how to play together ASAP. Starting with our leaders. And Fred needs to coach and have the balls to call guys out when it's warranted.

Also - Snell is useless. Possibly not a rotation guy on any team in the league. Dunny can't get healthy soon enough. Would love to see Fred/someone run some plays for Doug in the meantime. We need offense out of that position badly.

  

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203. "RE: Going to acknowledge an elephant in the room here"
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This is what happens when u r the only consistently dependable perimeter player on the team....U feel like u have to do too much...It's basically Butler or bust most nights....

This is a flawed team...They want to use space for open shooters up but they struggle in that department because they don't have enough "shooters" to keep teams honest....

I think the problem is Bulls fans don't want to accept the reality that this team is a first round exit...They don't want to accept the fact that D. Rose can have a string of impressive games and then come back down to earth--not because he's not trying hard enough or that he's taking nights off--it's because his body is telling him U CAN'T KEEP UP THIS PACE. When u beat good--great teams and consistently lose to mediocre to bad teams the writing is on the wall....

Maybe Dunny coming back will have a domino effect...Maybe not...But one thing for sure....The issue goes way beyond players indulging in hero ball.....

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204. "Derrick does the same thing too"
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When they play together, which Hoiberg tries to avoid unless it's the start of the game or crunch time, they basically take turns with iso's.

I'm not too mad at it though, because besides feeding Pau in the post, which is feast or famine, iso's are the only offense this team is capable of running. i know ball movement is the ideal now with the warriors showing it at its highest potential, but most rosters don't have the personnel to make that work. especially the bulls, who always have at least one young player on the court who looks lost, and nobody ready to assume the role of stretch 4.

So Jimmy trying to take over the offense when nobody else shows any sign of life is fine with me. I do wish he'd take it to the rim more instead of pull up jumpers, which he's been relying on these last couple of games.

I'm agreeing with murph's realistic pessimism at this point of the season. My last hope is that when Dunleavy comes back this (hopefully early) February, he'll be healthy enough to produce at the same level he has for us in the past. If so, I think he'll be a tremendous upgrade to the roster, and our offense will start to look better.

  

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205. "RE: Derrick does the same thing too"
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>My last hope is that when Dunleavy comes back this
>(hopefully early) February, he'll be healthy enough to produce
>at the same level he has for us in the past. If so, I think
>he'll be a tremendous upgrade to the roster, and our offense
>will start to look better.

This ^^^^ is indeed my hope.....

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206. "When it rains......Niko Out....."
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Looks like everyone has to step up...Injuries KILLING the Bulls....Man up...


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Bulls' Nikola Mirotic has appendectomy, out through All-Star break
Dan Devine By Dan Devine

Ball Don't Lie
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Chicago Bulls forward Nikola Mirotic will be sidelined through the All-Star break after being "diagnosed with acute appendicitis" and undergoing an emergency appendectomy, the Bulls announced Wednesday.

The injury represents another setback in what has thus far been a disappointing second NBA season for the 24-year-old from Montenegro, who earned All-Rookie First Team honors last season after averaging 10.2 points, 4.9 rebounds and 1.2 assists in 20.2 minutes per game off the bench for a Bulls team that won 50 games and made the second round of the playoffs.

After the Bulls fired Tom Thibodeau this offseason, new head coach Fred Hoiberg elevated Mirotic into the starting lineup, hoping that the 6-foot-10 forward could provide a range-shooting, floor-spacing complement to Spanish national teammate Pau Gasol that would unlock the Chicago's long-moribund offense. A strong opening week of the season soon gave way to inconsistency, though, as Mirotic has struggled with his shot and his defensive work.

The Bulls have been about two points per 100 possessions better with him on the court than off it, according to NBA.com's stat tool, and his 3-point percentage has risen from 31.6 percent as a rookie to a roughly league-average 35.4 percent in Year 2, but his per-minute scoring and free-throw generation have both dipped, he's dishing assists less frequently while turning the ball over more often, and he's shooting a grim 42.2 percent on shots inside the arc.

“I have to find a way that I can play maybe 10 games good ,” Mirotic told NBA.com's Steve Aschburner. “I try to do something every day good. Sometimes I have really good feelings before the game. What I should do when I warm up. But after the game , it’s different. I know the first minutes of the game are really important for me. But sometimes when I’m missing those shots, I’m changing my game.That can’t happen. I have to stay focused, you know.”

In the short term, Mirotic's unexpected exit from the lineup — which comes just a week and a half after longtime Bulls linchpin Joakim Noah underwent what's expected to season-ending (and perhaps Chicago-career-ending) surgery on his left shoulder — turns what had previously looked like an overcrowded Bulls frontcourt into a comparatively thinner group, which could change the roster-management decision-making process of vice president of basketball operations John Paxson and general manager Gar Forman ahead of the Feb. 18 trade deadline, according to ESPN.com's Marc Stein:


While the injuries might ease Chicago's roster crunch, they also figure to make it a bit more difficult for Hoiberg to field potent and effective two-way frontcourts.

Gasol's a known quantity, capable of dominating inside, splashing jumpers in the pick-and-pop and even stretching the floor out to the short corners, but his limitations as a defender in space are well known. Taj Gibson's a rock, but one who also operates from the elbows in, which could cramp post-up opportunities for Gasol and driving lanes for chicago's ball-handlers.

Bobby Portis has shown an exciting combination of athleticism, rebounding acumen, tenacity and skill while also making nearly one-third of his 3-point tries in limited minutes, but it very much remains to be seen whether the rookie from Arkansas can maintain or improve upon his production given increased minutes. And if foul trouble, ineffectiveness or additional injury leads Hoiberg to look down the bench to sparingly used sophomore Cameron Bairstow or rookie Cristiano Felicio, well, your guess of what they'll provide is as good as mine.

Given the continuing uncertainty surrounding the health and effectiveness of point guard Derrick Rose and the overwhelming burden being undertaken on both ends of the floor by ascendant shooting guard Jimmy Butler, adding even more question marks up front seems like it could be a recipe for disaster for a Bulls team that entered Wednesday having lost seven of its last 10 to fall to 25-19, fourth place in the Eastern Conference. This also seems like a pretty bad time for the Bulls to be setting out on a seven-game road trip, beginning Thursday at Staples Center against the Los Angeles Lakers. If Butler, Gasol and the rest of the healthy Bulls can hold down the fort until the All-Star break, the returns of Mirotic and, at long last, Mike Dunleavy could help stabilize the rotation and set the stage for a second-half push. Just staying afloat for the next few weeks, though, could be a pretty tough task.

News of Mirotic's appendectomy also came just hours after he was named to the roster of the World team for the 2016 Rising Stars Challenge at All-Star Weekend. (As was the case last year, the former rookie/sophomore game will now pit teams of U.S.-born first- and second-year players against those hailing from outside the states.) Mirotic's shelving means the NBA will have to name a replacement for the World roster. While the league could elect to shift No. 1 overall pick Karl-Anthony Towns over from the U.S. squad (he competes for the Dominican Republic in international competition, after all) and elevating a passed-over American player (Justise Winslow, perhaps, or Devin Booker) to the U.S. team, I know I'm not alone in suggesting that the NBA give the people what they want — a man who can palm a gallon of iced tea like it's a tennis ball.

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207. "Bulls...."
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struggling to finish off the Jazz....Scuffing in overtime.....

Can we just blow up the team already? Win or lose, this team is a first round out...Keep Jimmy and figure it out from there....

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208. "ball sticks too much. defense is lazy too often. "
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such a frustrating group.

but this team isn't being broken up anytime soon. only hope is that they get their head out of their collective ass after the break when MDJ is playing regale starter minutes.

  

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209. "Looks like Jimmy hasn't been spared by the curse of the Thibs era"
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210. "RE: Looks like Jimmy hasn't been spared by the curse of the Thibs era"
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Yo...take this bullshit somewhere else, dog....Do u see anyone popping up in your Spurs' posts talking about injured players on your squad? Chill with this passive aggressive trolling....

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212. "Do you understand structural vs acute injuries?"
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The Thibs curse was that he was wearing players out leading to structural injuries stemming from fatigue and exacerbating existing bio-mechanical abnormalities. Butler's injury was an acute injury where his left leg got caught under his body. Two different things.

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213. "RE: Do you understand structural vs acute injuries?"
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Nah...he understands...He's just a troll....

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216. "He had missed the previous game w/bad left knee after 47 min on B2B"
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Then played at DEN and was carted off the floor.

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220. "Let me answer that for you: no."
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He doesn't.

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211. "Well, may be time to just start from scratch...."
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I'm staying positive about Jimmy's knee...But I don't know...This season has always seemed like a wash to me....

Blow it up....

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214. "We're 0-2 against Minnesota. Minnesota has won 16 games. "
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We obviously lack athleticism on the wings and in the post. Huge issue that a shitty team like the Timberwolves is able to expose without trying all that hard. Need to shake things up if possible.

And my goodness Snell is horrible. GarPax whiffed on that one.


  

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215. "RE: We're 0-2 against Minnesota. Minnesota has won 16 games. "
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>We obviously lack athleticism on the wings and in the post.
>Huge issue that a shitty team like the Timberwolves is able to
>expose without trying all that hard. Need to shake things up
>if possible.
>
>And my goodness Snell is horrible. GarPax whiffed on that one.



It's going to be hard to shake things up without blowing it up....Without Jimmy and Rose being hit or miss, we are a lottery team....

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218. "Tony Allen/Jeff Green for Snell/Noah's expiring contract"
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>We obviously lack athleticism on the wings and in the post.
>Huge issue that a shitty team like the Timberwolves is able to
>expose without trying all that hard. Need to shake things up
>if possible.
>
>And my goodness Snell is horrible. GarPax whiffed on that one.
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>
>
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219. "makes too much sense for the Bulls."
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doubt Memphis would bite, though.

  

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217. "Jimmy will miss 3-4 weeks with strained knee"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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221. "alright Bulls fans, what are your thoughts at All Star break?"
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I'm a glass half full kinda guy so I'll start with the good:

We don't have to watch this team play another game for 8 whole days.

The bad:

This team is trash. The worst team since Skiles got fired and the Bulls missed the playoffs in 07-08. The most alarming part, that makes the games tedious to watch and this season so frustrating is that they're mostly losing due to lack of effort. It's like they've come to accept playing at a mediocre level and letting other teams outwork them. There's no toughness whatsoever, physically or mentally. The body language looks horrible, with players not talking to each other or sulking when they're having an off night. A lot of this is because there's no leader on the team. Rose still wants to be the #1 guy but his skills have been surpassed by Jimmy, who doesn't know how to lead yet and doesn't want to step on the hometown hero's toes.

Hoiberg's offense isn't working at all. The players look like they have no clue what they're running, and after they swing the ball around the perimeter a couple of times it resorts to an isolation play. The offense features a lot of passing but no movement. They rarely get an open three point shot and when we do put shooters in they do nothing but in the corner. Thibs showed more ability to get his shooters (Korver) good looks than boy wonder Freddy. For a guy who was supposed to be an offensive genius he has shown no ability to design a system that works for the roster he has.

The Bulls are either going to make the playoffs and get embarrassed in the first round, or even more embarrassingly miss them and get a mid first round pick. Pau is gone, Noah is too unless he takes a big pay cut, Taj is washed, Snell was a horrible pick, and as I've been saying since he got here, doesn't belong in the NBA. Despite it making sense, the Bulls can't get rid of Rose.

But they need to

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BLOW




IT




UP

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Only players I want to keep are Jimmy, McDermott, Moore, Portis, and Felicio. Lose Pau, Hinrich, Noah, and Brooks this offseason. Package Rose, Taj, Niko, & Tony into a deal or two that will get us young, promising players, that fit within Hoiberg's offensive system, to develop while tanking for a year. Then go after the 2017 FA's: Griffin, Curry, Russy, Giannis, Lowry, Millsap, Oladipo, or Nerlens.

BarfPacks have shown they are completely inept at making trades or recruiting free agents, but that's what this team needs to do for a rebuild.


I think there are about five Bulls fans left on this board, and we've understandably been quiet this season. So where are y'all at?

Does the Bulls team you've been watching look like it can make some noise in the playoffs or would you rather they miss it?

Do we need to get rid of Derrick and if so, how?

Is Hoiberg a good coach?

What's the best way to rebuild and who do you want to keep?

  

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222. "RE: alright Bulls fans, what are your thoughts at All Star break?"
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It's simple...blow it up.....

And we need to be giving Holberg the side-eye too.....

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223. "According to Gar, Gasol is part of the core."
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I disagree. But this is the direction the Bulls are going.
I don't think it's going to end well.

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224. "RE: According to Gar, Gasol is part of the core."
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>I disagree. But this is the direction the Bulls are going.
>I don't think it's going to end well.
>
>http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/02/18/gm-gar-forman-all-in-on-pau-gasol-holds-out-hope-for-current-bulls/


Yep...This shit is going to be a mess...

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225. "This summed it up for me."
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https://twitter.com/cterzz/status/700500439830130689

"To me, the Bulls needing Jimmy to drop 50 against Philly was the tipping point of the season. That game illustrated how BAD the roster is."

So when I hear the FO say that Gasol is part of the core, I wonder what it is they see that I don't. Granted, he could be lying and just trying to say something to the media to keep them off his back about the Bulls lack of action. But if he seriously believes that:

1. Who does he think is the core?
2. Does he think this core can compete for the next few years?

Cause...maaan.

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226. "The core is Jimmy and an engaged Derrick. "
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When/if healthy, that core is still top three in the East.

Anything those dumbasses say about Pau being a core guy is just them trying to save face. At the end of the day they constructed a roster that is unable to play an uptempo brand of basketball. GarPax knows that. Everyone knows that. Our lack of athleticism is astounding. Aside from Jimmy and Derrick everyone is a motionless square. Can't run Hoiball or whatever uptempo system we are attempting to employ with these lunks. And every issue on offense is seamlessly carrying over to defense.

Our goal for the rest of the year should be to get everyone healthy and see who is capable of playing with Jimmy and Derrick (not counting Pau in that group). Basically lookin at Doug and Niko with that. Bobby's a keeper.



  

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227. "why have we averaged many assists since Jimmy went down?"
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Why does it now look like Hoiball is actually a thing? A thing that may produce positive results if employed correctly? Why does our offense not look like this when Derrick and Jimmy are out there together? Is Iso Jim his/our reality? Can Derrick and Jimmy play together? So many questions.

Our defense is still basura buy my goodness the ball movement has been pretty at times during this brief stretch. I think we are seeing glimpses of an actual system.

  

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228. "Hm. "
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Ricky O'Donnell ‏@SBN_Ricky
Turns out Hoiberg's offense is pretty good when he has four shooters on the floor, no one holds the ball and the one big can defend.

  

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229. "Dunny makes the difference"
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Having to depend on both snell and a low confidence having Dougie was troublesome for about 6 weeks.

Dunny comes back, eats Snells minutes, is eons better than both at team defense and is a better one on one defender, can shoot the 3 very well, is 6'10" and puts dougie back in his natural role...apprentice to Dunny.

That + Hoiberg telling Doug to just play his game and voila!

I mean, Derrick has actually moved the ball more this year than he has any year outside of his rookie season so I don't think it's his issue. Jimmy can be a ball stopper but I think Dunny has been the key missing piece all along.

We need a similar type guy for next season if he decides to retire or loses a major step. I don't trust Doug enough yet...especially on D.

We'll see how this all shapes up in about 2 weeks. Last month of the season will be interesting. We could still end up with a top 3 seed.

We're only a game and half back of boston and all that took was a 3 game win streak.

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230. "wow. fuck this team. "
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They don't give a fuck. Not going to even put this all on Fred. These are grown men capable of playing defense. The fact that their performance may be lacking because Thibs isn't there to scream at them like they are a bunch of suburban teen JV football players is hilarious.

never thought I would see such aloofness from a Bulls team. I'm pretty sure everyone hates each other too.

we miss Noah.

  

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231. "there are some losses that push this post to pg.1"
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ha ha ha.
So I"m not surprised to see this.

I wouldn't feel so bad about this season if I thought we'd get one of the following:

a. New front office (although I think the problem is deeper than that).
b. The Kings lottery pick or our own (although the scout who found Butler and Gibson is no longer with the team, so I have little faith we can find something solid. Well, unless that guy is from Iowa in some way).

I'm not sure keeping Gasol at the trade deadline is a fireable offense, but if the ownership needed a red flag as to the competence of Gar Foreman and John Paxson, that's it.

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232. "Oh you WOULD blame a black coach, though. "
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>They don't give a fuck. Not going to even put this all on
>Fred. These are grown men capable of playing defense. The fact
>that their performance may be lacking because Thibs isn't
>there to scream at them like they are a bunch of suburban teen
>JV football players is hilarious.
>
>never thought I would see such aloofness from a Bulls team.
>I'm pretty sure everyone hates each other too.
>
>we miss Noah.

That's for sure.


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234. "thanks for those Knicks losses - Pistons"
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The offspring :-D

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233. "lose a home and home to the knicks??? wow"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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235. "Jimmy Butler needs knee surgery."
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http://www.blogabull.com/2016/3/24/11299796/the-bulls-have-a-jimmy-butler-minutes-problem-always

Can't blame Thibs for running guys into the ground this time.

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236. "RE: Jimmy Butler needs knee surgery."
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Blow it up....

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237. "Bulls gave up almost 70 points in the 1st half.."
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to. the. magic.

I'm not even sure why I'm posting about this.

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238. "when they miss the playoffs, it's time to fire BarfPacks"
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Hoiberg has been a total failure, the "core" can't play together, and most importantly for Reinsdorf; TV ratings are down nearly 30% this season.

If that's not enough to finally fire these incompetent idiots then what is?

  

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239. "RE: when they miss the playoffs, it's time to fire BarfPacks"
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Hoiberg needs to apologize to Noah.

Noah is seriously missed.

This shit of a team out there is just embarrassing right now. How the hell you get smacked in mouth by Orlando like that!?!?

Made Orlando look like Golden State. Shit is just embarrassing.

Hoiberg is a mess. No defense. Call Thibbs, apologize, and give up the bread. Effing Charlotte kicked us in the ass every time and they will be in the playoffs while we watch from home. bullshit.

Princeguy reviews:

"No pretentiousness.

No pompous re-interpretations.

Sometimes, a movie is just a movie. You work hard for your money.

The decision is yours.

See and enjoy what YOU like."

  

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240. "RE: when they miss the playoffs, it's time to fire BarfPacks"
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>Hoiberg has been a total failure, the "core" can't play
>together, and most importantly for Reinsdorf; TV ratings are
>down nearly 30% this season.
>
>If that's not enough to finally fire these incompetent idiots
>then what is?


I've been calling for most of this^^^^most of the season....

Blow this shit up....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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241. "Not sure how plugged in Nick Friedell is but..."
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https://twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/714148243014348800

"A lot of anger and frustration from Bulls fans. Just so you know I don't think Gar and Pax are going anywhere."

https://digife.com

  

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murph71
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242. "RE: Not sure how plugged in Nick Friedell is but..."
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>https://twitter.com/NickFriedell/status/714148243014348800
>
>"A lot of anger and frustration from Bulls fans. Just so you
>know I don't think Gar and Pax are going anywhere."


How sad....They need to be shown the front door.....

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thebadnegro
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243. "God this post title is corny as fuck lol. That's all I came to say."
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everything else is self-evident.

  

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244. "http://i.imgur.com/AFNm9hU.gif"
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http://i.imgur.com/AFNm9hU.gif

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245. "so much wrong I don't know where to start. "
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Though rebuilding (getting quicker and more athletic) could be a relatively quick process. We do have some pieces in place. Unfortunately GarPax aren't all that creative and/or visionary when it comes to landing talent away from the draft.

I do think Derick and Jimmy need to figure it out. After all these years they still haven't seen constitent floor time together. They still have the potential to be a top backcourt and I would prefer to not give up on that yet. But yeah, they gotta learn how to coexist.

  

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