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dula dibiasi
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"really, tristan?"


  

          

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13761200/tristan-thompson-cleveland-cavaliers-fail-reach-agreement-contract

this is getting ridiculous. dude is a backup power forward with exactly 2 offensive skills: he sets solid screens and he's an elite offensive rebounder. that's it. he can't shoot, can't pass, can't handle. no post game. doesn't finish well at the rim over length. and his P&R switching defense is extremely overrated.

paying this guy 18M per for 20 nightly minutes of setting picks for kyrie and grabbing jr smith's misses would be completely absurd. i don't care who his agent is, cavs are 100% right to play hardball.

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RE: really, tristan?
Sep 28th 2015
1
junkman ass nigga got some nerve. reggie evans wept.
Sep 28th 2015
2
      Come on, B, love Big Handsome but there is not much comparison
Sep 28th 2015
3
           cmon. obvious cyse.
Sep 28th 2015
4
                What about Kevin Love? They can't go cheap there?
Sep 28th 2015
9
                Love moves tickets and jerseys.
Sep 28th 2015
18
                In Clevand he don't move shit. Lebron does.
Sep 28th 2015
20
                     *pats you on the head*
Sep 28th 2015
25
                5 years/$110M. Not cheap.
Sep 28th 2015
26
                The problem is they're out of cap space.
Sep 28th 2015
19
Weird, you didn't say this about Kevin Love.
Sep 28th 2015
5
the spurs?
Sep 28th 2015
11
Kevin Love has done more in his career than TT has.
Sep 28th 2015
17
      Right today, TT is more valuable to the Cavs than Kevin Love
Sep 28th 2015
21
           You should read the rest of the post.
Sep 28th 2015
22
                TT is a better value than Kevin Love, right today
Sep 29th 2015
30
                     And right when he gets this contract he wont be.
Sep 29th 2015
32
                          He is more valuable to the Cavs than Kevin Love.
Oct 03rd 2015
95
I thought bron signed him already, right after he reupped JR
Sep 28th 2015
6
#teamTristan
Sep 28th 2015
7
isnt lebron his agent?
Sep 28th 2015
8
Anderson Varejao is the sole reason
Sep 28th 2015
10
Getting ridiculous? Sign and trade him for another superstar or young pl...
Sep 28th 2015
12
lol @ the spurs comparison
Sep 28th 2015
14
Ky, Tristan, Delly, and Dion (still in the league) say WAT
Sep 28th 2015
15
He was a role player, now he'd start on most teams, even good teams
Sep 28th 2015
27
WHAT future flexibility?
Sep 28th 2015
28
They've gotta ditch Andy somehow.
Sep 29th 2015
34
We have to ditch Andy at some point....
Sep 29th 2015
39
lmao @ future flexibility
Sep 28th 2015
29
Well, the players know the cap is going WAY up next year
Sep 28th 2015
13
Get your money, Tristan.
Sep 28th 2015
16
RE: Get your money, Tristan.
Sep 28th 2015
23
      He was still playing with Lebron.
Sep 28th 2015
24
           He's still young
Sep 29th 2015
38
if the cavs had a do over i wonder if they would just keep wiggins
Sep 29th 2015
31
glad they didn't. He so great, let him carry a shit team
Sep 29th 2015
33
      like Kyrie did?
Oct 02nd 2015
90
It's not right, but it's predictable after the playoff run
Sep 29th 2015
35
i knew it soon as i saw him in that ecstasy-from-whodini hat.
Sep 29th 2015
36
lol
Sep 29th 2015
37
LOL
Sep 29th 2015
40
See: Gordon, Ben
Sep 29th 2015
41
man, lemme see taj or mo sp8z in some damn culottes....
Sep 29th 2015
42
      http://i.imgur.com/dUGDzbw.jpg
Oct 01st 2015
43
           #SP8ZLYFE
Oct 01st 2015
54
                Speights could show to every presser decked out in Yeezy 2015 gear...
Oct 01st 2015
59
                     SPM used to run with some of his cum buckets, maybe she can confirm
Oct 02nd 2015
89
Goddamn, I need to use this. This applies for *everything.*
Oct 01st 2015
44
lol...so damn true
Oct 01st 2015
45
nigga wasn't pulling that shit when 'mardo was in that corner, young...
Oct 01st 2015
47
      someone needs to tell that nigga to GAP and chill..
Oct 01st 2015
48
LOL, going in the lexicon!
Oct 01st 2015
46
Yeah it is
Oct 01st 2015
52
bwahahaaaha
Oct 01st 2015
49
dogg.
Oct 01st 2015
50
      All he's missing are the mask and the rapier.
Oct 01st 2015
56
      lolz
Oct 01st 2015
57
           He asked Bron how many shots he should take.
Oct 01st 2015
58
      he got on the darkwing duck. i cant.
Oct 01st 2015
60
      LETS GET DAAANGEROUS
Oct 01st 2015
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      What a stellar reference.
Oct 01st 2015
62
      lol nm
Oct 04th 2015
97
      Nigga got on the Indiana Jones hat.
Oct 01st 2015
69
      So is Bron, obviously.
Oct 02nd 2015
76
MM HMM GOAT and Melo are examples
Oct 01st 2015
70
lmao
Oct 01st 2015
71
He rejected the initial offer the Cavs gave him
Oct 01st 2015
55
Mfers up in here wanting slumlord billionaire to keep his money
Oct 01st 2015
51
yeah. that's it.
Oct 01st 2015
53
I know, I know
Oct 01st 2015
65
I don't think that's the case.
Oct 01st 2015
63
Dula: we gonna discuss Kevin Love, tho?
Oct 01st 2015
64
nope.
Oct 01st 2015
66
      Nah, we good, was just putting that out there, pause
Oct 01st 2015
67
           what's good with them hummus recipes you was finna inbox tho
Oct 01st 2015
68
                I haven't hung out with lesbians w/good jobs in a min
Oct 01st 2015
73
                     yup. all about the finger foods.
Oct 05th 2015
99
He's gonna get offered more next year on the open market
Oct 01st 2015
72
Archive.....
Oct 01st 2015
74
"You ain't weird clothes good" <---truest shit ever typed out
Oct 02nd 2015
75
I second this motion.
Oct 02nd 2015
88
So yesterday was the deadline for him to
Oct 02nd 2015
77
His problem is right now nobody will pay him bigger dollars
Oct 02nd 2015
78
      I'm sure he'll stay put this season.
Oct 02nd 2015
79
           RE: I'm sure he'll stay put this season.
Oct 02nd 2015
80
           He probably won't become a starter this year for the Cavs
Oct 02nd 2015
83
                What about MosGOD
Oct 02nd 2015
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                     He's the starting center, what about him?
Oct 02nd 2015
85
           Wouldn't it have made more sense for him to sign the one year qualifying...
Oct 02nd 2015
81
                Didn't Cleveland have to offer him that type of deal?
Oct 02nd 2015
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                     Yeah, all teams have to make that for for RFAs
Oct 02nd 2015
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                          It appears getting that
Oct 02nd 2015
87
Cavs remove all Tristan images from arena, team store. (link)
Oct 03rd 2015
91
Really? Dan Gilbert is an immature prick.
Oct 03rd 2015
92
Ain't that serious.
Oct 03rd 2015
93
      why be precise when you can always sice?
Oct 04th 2015
96
Leverage
Oct 03rd 2015
94
THE 26TH LETTER ZAKIM ALLAH:
Oct 05th 2015
98
So who's gonna blink?
Oct 13th 2015
100
done deal. 5/82.
Oct 21st 2015
101
RE: really, tristan?
Nov 02nd 2016
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fam you gotta check snopes before you posting random facebook links
Nov 02nd 2016
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      that's why I didn't make a new post, I figured I'd post it in a random.....
Nov 02nd 2016
104
goddamn bum.
Jun 07th 2017
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bron fault for reals
Jun 07th 2017
107
Kardashian curse is REAL
Jun 07th 2017
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https://twitter.com/DefPenHoops/status/872614872403517441/video/1
Jun 07th 2017
108
LMAO he looks like he's about to get in stage to battle the Treacherous ...
Jun 08th 2017
109

ShawndmeSlanted
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1. "RE: really, tristan?"
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Man this has been the rumor all summer and nobody seemed to be that mad because BRON BRON BRON

This is absolutely maddening, any cavs fan should not want this

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dula dibiasi
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2. "junkman ass nigga got some nerve. reggie evans wept."
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3. "Come on, B, love Big Handsome but there is not much comparison"
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Shit is kinda ridiculous but you're hammering dude in here. For openers he is going to play a lot more than 20 minutes a night.

They have to decide if they want him for the long haul or the short push. If the latter, fine, qualifying offer and then peace next summer. If not, they gotta pay him.

When I heard talk of a three-year deal for a little over $50M, that seemed to be a fair compromise. But why would Thompson be into compromises? He can short himself for a season and then get a new max deal next summer. It's not like there will be zero good teams with cap space next offseason, in fact it's kind of an unprecedentedly good time to be a UFA.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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dula dibiasi
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4. "cmon. obvious cyse."
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but yeah, they're better off finding the next handsome, to give them 85% of what TT does at half the sticker price. shit, holla @ t-rob.

thompson avgd about 25 mpg after the mosgov trade, and that was with no andy. when they're at full strength he's a part time player.

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9. "What about Kevin Love? They can't go cheap there? "
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You gonna address that or naw?


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18. "Love moves tickets and jerseys."
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Does anyone who's not in Tristan's family have one of his jerseys?

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Orbit_Established
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20. "In Clevand he don't move shit. Lebron does."
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Nobody shows up to a Cavs game, on the road or at home to watch
Kevin Love play basketball.

Tristan Thompson is a better teammate and more integral to the Cavs' success
Than Love is

Cry wimp

  

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25. "*pats you on the head*"
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26. "5 years/$110M. Not cheap. "
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Again this is pending UFA versus current RFA also, and a guy willing to sign under the current salary structure versus one that is ambivalent about it. Remove your sadness/madness for a moment and look at the whole picture.

IMO they can use Mozgov/Love/Thompson together, the guy I would try to move is Varejao because of his age.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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19. "The problem is they're out of cap space."
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So they need to sign TT, because he's already on the roster. Thus he has a lot of leverage. They aren't getting someone at half his price unless they trade for it somehow.

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5. "Weird, you didn't say this about Kevin Love. "
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Who has proven to not worth anywhere near the Max. You said
he was top 5 in the league, when he's not even one of the
5 best forwards in the eastern conference.

Plus,

The Cavs with Kevin Love and no Tristan are less formidable
than a Cavs team with Tristan and no Kevin Love. We saw as
much when Love was getting benched in fourth quarters. And
the Cavs lost to the Spurs because of no Kyrie, not because
of no Love.



  

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11. "the spurs? "
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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17. "Kevin Love has done more in his career than TT has. "
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Cry.

Or disagree and be wrong.

But he has, so bye.

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21. "Right today, TT is more valuable to the Cavs than Kevin Love "
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>Cry.
>
>Or disagree and be wrong.
>
>But he has, so bye.

You sound sad that Kevin Love been exposed as a stat padder


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22. "You should read the rest of the post."
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I give no shits about Tristan or Kevin Love.

But Love's accomplished more, so...cry.

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30. "TT is a better value than Kevin Love, right today"
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And contributes to the Cavs more

  

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Ryan M
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32. "And right when he gets this contract he wont be."
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What's your point?

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95. "He is more valuable to the Cavs than Kevin Love. "
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Kevin Love is making the max.

Fuck is wrong with you?

  

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6. "I thought bron signed him already, right after he reupped JR"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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7. "#teamTristan"
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get ya money mayne

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the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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8. "isnt lebron his agent?"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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10. "Anderson Varejao is the sole reason"
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I can see why the Cavs have hesitations re-signing him. He is limited offensively, but dude earned his paper seeing how most of the teams the Cavs faced in the playoffs had absolutely had no clue how to deal with him grabbing rebounds and he caused problems with big men fouling him as result. He's still young, so there's room for him learning to either get decent low post moves or getting an outside jumper so he's not a total black hole on the offensive side of the ball.


I'm curious if he's serious enough about wanting to get his paper and will actually leave the Cavs if he doesn't get what he wants.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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12. "Getting ridiculous? Sign and trade him for another superstar or young pl..."
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>http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13761200/tristan-thompson-cleveland-cavaliers-fail-reach-agreement-contract
>
>this is getting ridiculous. dude is a backup power forward
>with exactly 2 offensive skills: he sets solid screens and
>he's an elite offensive rebounder. that's it. he can't shoot,
>can't pass, can't handle. no post game. doesn't finish well at
>the rim over length. and his P&R switching defense is
>extremely overrated.
>
>paying this guy 18M per for 20 nightly minutes of setting
>picks for kyrie and grabbing jr smith's misses would be
>completely absurd. i don't care who his agent is, cavs are
>100% right to play hardball.

A backup power forward is not worth the $18 mill he's asking. Tristan is a role player and this contract messes up future flexibility. I want to say we're into the luxury tax for the forseeable future without this contract anyway. You can't have four max players with one of them a role player.

Spurs don't need to do this to win so we shouldn't have to do it either.

  

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14. "lol @ the spurs comparison"
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The spurs dont have to do that because they draft and develop players

The cavs...do not.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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15. "Ky, Tristan, Delly, and Dion (still in the league) say WAT"
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>The spurs dont have to do that because they draft and develop
>players
>
>The cavs...do not.

Obviously, it's not as high as the Spurs. The Spurs have a long-term system in place so they can plug and play draft picks to save money. Once again, my initial statement stands: The Spurs don't need to overpay role players max salaries.

  

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27. "He was a role player, now he'd start on most teams, even good teams"
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I admitted it during last year's off, as constructed they are a better team with him on the floor than they are with Love. I would still play Love liberally but use him more like a scoring anchor for the second unit. Starting is for high school, work that however you want but I would use Love primarily as a first option when Bron, Kyrie or both are resting. It's a nice problem to have. I would not be quick to get rid of either one. They play the same position but very differently. They can also both play a little five. The guy who now seems redundant with the cheaper, younger, more offensively capable Mozgov's arrival is Varejao.

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28. "WHAT future flexibility?"
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Love is signed through 2020.
Kyrie is signed through 2019.
Bron will certainly reup when the cap rises.
Andy V is signed another 3 years.
Shumpert through 2019
JR another 2 years
You're gonna have to pay Mozgov soon.

You're 94 mil in THIS year before TT's contract is signed, and your financial future is fucked...but who cares, cause you're all in NOW.

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34. "They've gotta ditch Andy somehow."
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That contract is a first-class encumbrance.

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39. "We have to ditch Andy at some point...."
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>Love is signed through 2020.
>Kyrie is signed through 2019.
>Bron will certainly reup when the cap rises.
>Andy V is signed another 3 years.
>Shumpert through 2019
>JR another 2 years
>You're gonna have to pay Mozgov soon.
>
>You're 94 mil in THIS year before TT's contract is signed, and
>your financial future is fucked...but who cares, cause you're
>all in NOW.

JR took less to re-sign.
Andy's getting moved.
Sign and trade a maxed Tristan somewhere gives us some type of flexibility.
We're over the cap for the presumable future but that doesn't mean we don't have options as far as improving the team.
The cap won't continue to go up as it has to go down at some point. In other words, a maxed out Tristan locks our roster for the future.

TL;DR a sign and trade with Tristan gives us other pieces to add to the team.

  

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29. "lmao @ future flexibility"
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the only thing they have to worry about is how much they can spend in luxury tax and how tight they are against the hard cap (which is almost crazy to even think about, a team being close to it).

they will get something done with thompson, they just need to sell him on a compromise. they can save $10-$12 mil up front if he takes the qualifying offer. he seems to be banking on himself being a max player at the new max. i don't know. i see the upping of the cap and the max as an opportunity to make the max mean something finally. but with 20-ish teams having cap space, i doubt that will happen, at least not immediately. so maybe his agent knows what he is doing.

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13. "Well, the players know the cap is going WAY up next year"
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$20 million a year will be the new $16 million a year during the next off-season. Shoot, even if Tristan has an off-year, SOME team will sign him to a $20 million a year. So he figures he's got zero incentive to offer the Cavs a discount right now.

The Dubs are going through a sorta similar siuation with Barnes right now. The difference is that the front office feels bad because the believe Barnes development got unfairly stunted in his second season. And, for any potential future trade possibilities, it would make things easier if they sign Barnes now.

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16. "Get your money, Tristan."
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Fact is - it's the Cavs job to give him as little money as they can, and it's his agent's job to get him as much money as they can.

Nobody else will pay him this much, but guess what - he's Bron's dude, so he's going to get a sweet deal out of all this. Who cares.

Plus anything extra that Gilbert has to pay is good for me.

But nah that dude isn't that good - and if he went somewhere to be the man, it wouldn't end well. But he should get all he can. I'll never fault an NBA player for doing so.

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23. "RE: Get your money, Tristan."
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>But nah that dude isn't that good - and if he went somewhere
>to be the man, it wouldn't end well. But he should get all he
>can. I'll never fault an NBA player for doing so.

Based on how much of a problem he was in the playoffs last year, I think he'll have great individual stats and do more than fine in terms of grabbing rebounds if he bounced and left the Cavs. I am curious if he's willing to leave Cleveland, which is such a favorable situation since the Cavs will be favorites in the East for at least three or four years now. Anywhere else and he's pretty much screwed in terms of team-based success.

I'm hoping him balling out in last years playoffs wasn't the case of him playing well just for the purpose of looking for a big payday and he'll regress to being a bum once he get the contract he wants. With rebounding as well as he does involving so much skill, I'm guessing that isn't the case, but I could be completely wrong.

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24. "He was still playing with Lebron."
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The dude is doing Omer Asik/Kenneth Faried numbers. Good to have, sure. But that's probably his ceiling. And he's a backup.

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38. "He's still young"
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There's still time and room for him to develop some semblance of an offensive game, so I'm not 100% sure if last years playoffs are his ceiling and that he won't improve.

That's assuming he doesn't become lazy and complacent if and when he gets a long term contract.

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31. "if the cavs had a do over i wonder if they would just keep wiggins"
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*assuming they still got moz


i don't think thompson is worth what he's demanding
but giving it to him wouldn't be as big an issue if the cavs didn't already have 140 million tied up in 2 big men with moz contract looming
the love extension forces a dude who could start on a lot of teams....and might actually get 80 mil on the open market to come off the bench

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33. "glad they didn't. He so great, let him carry a shit team"
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90. "like Kyrie did?"
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35. "It's not right, but it's predictable after the playoff run"
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that his head would get big as shit.

  

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36. "i knew it soon as i saw him in that ecstasy-from-whodini hat."
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like, this dude really think he GOOD. only dudes that know they good be tryna pull off weirdo shit like that.

you aiight. but you ain't "weird clothes" good, bruh.

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37. "lol"
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40. "LOL"
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41. "See: Gordon, Ben"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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42. "man, lemme see taj or mo sp8z in some damn culottes...."
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swearfoegawd i'm writing a letter to my alderman

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43. "http://i.imgur.com/dUGDzbw.jpg"
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http://i.imgur.com/dUGDzbw.jpg

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54. "#SP8ZLYFE"
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59. "Speights could show to every presser decked out in Yeezy 2015 gear..."
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...and I wouldn't GAF. Much of what makes me a fan of dude is that his Give a Fuck meter is permanently broken. He fronts like he's the star of the show when he knows everyone is there to see Curry, Klay, Kerr, etc. Him and Draymond on the same bus during the Dubs celebration parade was the best shit EVAR.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one who fucked Lisa Ann and offered to be her Master Pimp.

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89. "SPM used to run with some of his cum buckets, maybe she can confirm"
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Everyone should think they are the show. In 10th grade we had a stacked JV team (30-1, including one game we won by about 75 points). There was a kid who never played and our big forward asked him one day, "Who's better, you or __________?" And he would always say the other guy, probably because it was true. The other kid said, "Man, NEVER admit someone is better than you." I see that attitude in guys. Guys like GP and Sam Cassell and Bubba Chuck took that court with every intention of being the illest motherfucker out there. I like to see that attitude wherever it can be shown.

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44. "Goddamn, I need to use this. This applies for *everything.*"
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Musicians. Celebrities in general.

>you aiight. but you ain't "weird clothes" good, bruh.

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45. "lol...so damn true"
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____________________________________________________


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47. "nigga wasn't pulling that shit when 'mardo was in that corner, young..."
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he already knew what it was.

now bron hit town, all a sudden you styling on niggas?

man, if you don't go get yo ass a fitted and sit down somewhere. old upjumped ass bamma.

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48. "someone needs to tell that nigga to GAP and chill.."
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You ain't culottes and man purses yet, stick with the khakis and wingtips until you make an all star team.
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46. "LOL, going in the lexicon!"
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"To Each His Reach"

  

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52. "Yeah it is"
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49. "bwahahaaaha"
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http://imgick.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width620/img/cavs_impact/photo/cleveland-cavaliers-lebron-james-tristan-thompson-d5279fb6da2e02b9.png

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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50. "dogg."
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http://imgick.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width620/img/cavs_impact/photo/cavs-players-postgamepng-b3e868026eeb1406.png

i was disgusted.

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56. "All he's missing are the mask and the rapier."
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.

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57. "lolz"
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dat 'ro

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58. "He asked Bron how many shots he should take."
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He misheard what Bron said and took it as fashion advice.

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60. "he got on the darkwing duck. i cant."
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61. "LETS GET DAAANGEROUS"
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---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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L D E A

  

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62. "What a stellar reference."
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As much as I'm pro-Thompson, it's a pretty bad look that he has more than one version of that type of hat though. I wonder what kind of closest space is needed to store those hats.

I wonder if anyone photoshopped one of the buckles from those Thanksgiving pilgrim hats when those post-game interviews popped up.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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97. "lol nm"
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does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
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69. "Nigga got on the Indiana Jones hat."
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Nigga trying emulate the GOAT and rock the hat like Michael Jackson.

  

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76. "So is Bron, obviously."
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"Giorgio hand delivered this turtleneck sweater to me personally, and I have to share the stage with La Isla Bonita"

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70. "MM HMM GOAT and Melo are examples"
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>like, this dude really think he GOOD. only dudes that know
>they good be tryna pull off weirdo shit like that.
>
>you aiight. but you ain't "weird clothes" good, bruh.

At least Melo has a college championship to back him up. GOAT said fuck it, 5, and rocked the avant garde homage fashion. When you've five or more rings you can rock anything. Fucking Jorn rocking anything for no reason.

  

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71. "lmao"
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PSN ID - dirty_MF_bucks

  

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55. "He rejected the initial offer the Cavs gave him"
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from the beginning of last season, no? I thought this hold out started from the jump last year. I remember hearing about Thompson gambling on himself during the regular season.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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51. "Mfers up in here wanting slumlord billionaire to keep his money"
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Get every single cent you can. no ones paying to see Dan Gilbert.

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53. "yeah. that's it."
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*rolls eyes all the way back to hypothalamus*

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65. "I know, I know"
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1) I hate Dan Gilbert, owners, and Dan Gilbert the owner most of all. I want everyone but him to have money.

2) I enjoy "slumlord billionaire" and wanted to use it

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63. "I don't think that's the case."
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I think it's definitely Darkwing Duck Hat Delusions.

  

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64. "Dula: we gonna discuss Kevin Love, tho? "
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You said he was top 5 in the L a couple years back

Now he's not one of the 5 best forwards in the Leastern

You gonna talk about his paper, or naw?

I just want to know what's good, and yes I'm salty that
you stood me up at Giordano's that one time, pause

Nah sike

  

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66. "nope."
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mad?

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67. "Nah, we good, was just putting that out there, pause"
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>mad?


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68. "what's good with them hummus recipes you was finna inbox tho"
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73. "I haven't hung out with lesbians w/good jobs in a min"
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I'm working on this one potential friend, Euro bisexual
babe...working on FRIENDSHIP, mind you, and am encouraging
her to date WOMEN...makes tons of money, got a crazy fly
crib in Boston, and loves talking to the Orbster about
Sci-Fi and hip-hop and the black man and shit, you know,
you are me in your Chicago circles

She date a straight man, the highest quality hummus at her
party is Trader Joe's brand....the HIGHEST quality...nah

So I'm encouraging her to date the white lady consultant
she went on a date with.

The quality of that wine? That hummus?

Damn right I orchestrate friendships over good dinner parties


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dula dibiasi
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99. "yup. all about the finger foods."
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#priorities

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72. "He's gonna get offered more next year on the open market"
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if he doesn't get injured.

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74. "Archive....."
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....this bitch....Like right now...

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75. ""You ain't weird clothes good" <---truest shit ever typed out"
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88. "I second this motion."
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77. "So yesterday was the deadline for him to"
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sign the deal Cleveland offered him this summer, correct? I truly wonder if this dude will walk away from playing with Cleveland's chosen son LeBron and a relatively young (but injury prone) Kyrie Irving so he can get paid bigger dollars.

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78. "His problem is right now nobody will pay him bigger dollars"
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the 2 teams that had the chance Philly and Portland --wouldve offered by now

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79. "I'm sure he'll stay put this season."
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He's banking on things being more open and lucrative next offseason. At least Cleveland will capitalize off getting a motivated contract season mode Tristian Thompson. I'm curious if he worked on getting a better offensive game in the off season or if he paid more attention to his hat collection.

In addition to him going beast mode and assuming he stays healthy, I wonder how much coin he'll get if Cleveland wins a championship.

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80. "RE: I'm sure he'll stay put this season."
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His #s will always be limited unless the guys in front of him get hurt.

Which is why he wants to gamble now and get as much as he can

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83. "He probably won't become a starter this year for the Cavs"
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unless Kevin Love gets a new injury or he still has to recover from the shoulder surgery, but I would have to think he earned a slot in the rotation over Anderson Varajeo (sp?).

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84. "What about MosGOD"
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85. "He's the starting center, what about him?"
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I remember Thompson coming off the bench in the power forward slot last year. With the current roster, assuming all the small forwards, power forwards, and bigs are healthy, I would think the reserve power forward slot would be between Varejao and Thompson for the current season.

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81. "Wouldn't it have made more sense for him to sign the one year qualifying..."
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Like Greg Monroe did last year?

I have no idea what he's thinking.

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82. "Didn't Cleveland have to offer him that type of deal?"
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I read Cleveland counter offered a three year deal recently and he wanted a five year deal. I wasn't aware a one year deal was on the table for him.

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86. "Yeah, all teams have to make that for for RFAs"
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It just seems like he'd have a better chance at multiple years next season.

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87. "It appears getting that"
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long term guaranteed paper is important for him. Doesn't appear Cleveland wants to take that gamble at the moment.


I'm curious if he was this hungry for a long term lucrative contract before LeBron decided to go back to Cleveland. If LeBron landing in Cleveland sparked that fire in him, it appears he's going to have to leave Cleveland to get what he badly wants, which will be pretty interesting.

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91. "Cavs remove all Tristan images from arena, team store. (link)"
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Uh-ohhhhhhhhhh.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2575183-cavaliers-remove-anything-tristan-thompson-related-from-arena-team-store?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-league

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92. "Really? Dan Gilbert is an immature prick. "
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If it wasn't for LeBron, he'd probably be Dan Snyder.

  

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93. "Ain't that serious."
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https://twitter.com/mcten/status/650384603455356928

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96. "why be precise when you can always sice?"
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>https://twitter.com/mcten/status/650384603455356928

in any case, that THIS case has taken so long is beyond ridiculous

never though the Cavs would have an easier time retaining Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving than Tristan Thompson

this, not the end of last season is prime "Cleveland Sports"

  

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94. "Leverage"
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https://instagram.com/p/8Zs5W-CTOi/

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98. "THE 26TH LETTER ZAKIM ALLAH:"
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Tristan Thompson Continues His Poker Game With Cleveland
OCTOBER 2, 2015
by ZACH LOWE

When Festus Ezeli was sitting out in 2013 with a knee injury, Mark Jackson, then the Golden State coach, accused Ezeli of cheering against the team — presumably because the Warriors struggling would prove Ezeli’s value, per several team sources. Ezeli denied it during a tearful talk with teammates, and still denies it today.

Tristan Thompson wants the Cavaliers to succeed, but rooting for some short-term pain may be the only play that Thompson and his agents have left after they refused to sign Cleveland’s one-year, $6.8 million qualifying offer by 11:59 p.m. yesterday. That offer, now expired, gave Thompson leverage. He could have signed it, played the season, and bolted Cleveland as an unrestricted free agent in July. His agent, Rich Paul, explicitly threatened the Cavs with this weeks ago to get them to bump their five-year, $80 million offer up to the maximum five-year, $94 million deal for which Thompson is eligible. In Paul’s scenario, if the Cavs were to balk, Thompson would sign the qualifying offer, ditch the Cavs, and snag a max deal from someone else amid the flood of cap money coming in July.

Thompson and Paul did not go through with their threat. That may be a signal that they understand they overplayed their hand — that there may not be a max-level deal awaiting Thompson. If he re-signs with Cleveland, Thompson will come off the bench behind Timofey Mozgov and Kevin Love — assuming both are healthy. He’d average something like eight points and eight rebounds per game, play energetic defense, and draw some Sixth Man of the Year votes. That probably isn’t getting him a max deal, even amid the upcoming and unprecedented cap-room boom. Power forward is loaded around the league. It’s hard to name even 10 teams on which Thompson would be an obvious starter, and none of them would have LeBron James and Kyrie Irving to draw defenses away from him. Such is life when you have the offensive skill set of a center, but not the size and ability to protect the rim.

The qualifying offer was about $7 million less than Thompson would earn in 2015-16 under Cleveland’s proposed deal. He’d have to make more than $18 million per season starting in 2016-17 to make up for that lost cash, and given how close that $18 million number is to his projected max, it’s not a lock that Thompson would have managed to equal out the money. The Cavs understood this, and held firm.

And so here we are, with Thompson holding out, hoping the Cavs ache so badly without him that they cave. Love is still recovering from shoulder surgery, though he could be ready for opening day. Mozgov is limited after offseason knee surgery. Anderson Varejao is recovering from an Achilles tear, and he’s a center anyway. Sasha Kaun is an unknown at this level. Iman Shumpert is out for three months, which could force Richard Jefferson into playing emergency minutes on the wing instead of as a small-ball power forward.

Paul can plausibly look at all this and say, “You need Tristan to win the title, and you need him right freaking now.” The Cavs won’t have the cap space to sign a big-money replacement for Thompson this summer if he bolts, and they probably never will as long as LeBron, Love, Irving, and key supporting players are in town on huge contracts. They might be able to replace some of Thompson’s production on the cheap, but there is no easy path to an eight-figure salary slot. Cleveland will likely only have small cap exceptions, and those things aren’t buying you a facsimile like Trevor Booker or Ed Davis (now under contract in Portland, of course, but a favorite comp for Thompson among scouts and executives) in a climate where teams almost literally have too much cap money.

The Cavs aren’t budging today, but they also aren’t going to use their newfound leverage to squeeze Thompson. They won’t burn that five-year, $80 million deal and low-ball him. Paul also represents LeBron, currently cycling through one-year contracts that whisper over the shoulder of Cavs GM David Griffin every summer: “I can leave if you fail.” Everyone has an incentive to preserve good will, which is why Thompson signing that five-year, $80 million deal — or something right around there — has long been the only outcome that really made any sense.

The two sides are now free to negotiate any kind of deal, including a one-year contract, though the Cavs have no reason to offer that anymore. If Thompson holds out all season, he becomes a restricted free agent all over again. That’s not a good enough outcome for Thompson to punt one full year of salary during his prime.

Thompson’s side floated a three-year, $53 million compromise last week, but that compromise doesn’t do much for the Cavs. It’s essentially a shorter max contract. It would inflict the same short-term tax punishment without the long-term benefit of having Thompson under contract through his prime. The Blazers and Sixers could make things easier on everyone by making an offer the Cavs could match, but neither seems interested in doing so.

The gap between Cleveland’s proposal and Thompson’s max — about $2.5 million next season, and $14 million over five years — matters more than it might appear. That $2.5 million alone would cost Cleveland about $12 million next season in extra tax penalties. (It would put the Cavs about $26.6 million over the tax threshold, and $1.6 million into the extra-punitive bracket for teams that go at least $25 million over the line.) Dan Gilbert is already spending an insane amount to keep this team together, but that doesn’t mean he should mindlessly add $12 million to the pile just to retain a key reserve — especially when he has some leverage.

The Cavs are not totally without options if Thompson holds out for months. The corpse of Brendan Haywood left behind a $10.5 million trade exception, and the Cavs can trade a future first-rounder that would almost certainly become a 2018 pick. (They owe Phoenix a top-10 protected 2016 first-rounder. They technically can’t trade their 2018 pick, but they can deal their “first available” pick — which would be their 2018 first-round pick as soon as they convey their 2016 pick to the Suns. They also have a 2019 second-rounder to trade.)

That’s enough to start talks for someone like Davis once he becomes trade-eligible on December 15, or even Markieff Morris if he pipes up again. Sources around the league say Channing Frye is available now for very little, though Magic officials deny it. Other names will hit the market, but while the salary of someone like Kenneth Faried doesn’t quite fit the exception, how much would Denver really demand to dump J.J. Hickson into it?

Thompson on a five-year, $80 million deal might be movable as the cap rises. Thompson at the max is tougher to trade. Mozgov is an unrestricted free agent after this season, and he’s going to cost a ton — perhaps up to the max. Mozgov revived the Cavs last season, and he’s a perfect front-court partner for the LeBron-Love star tandem — a legit center who can screen for LeBron while Love spaces the floor and works the elbows, destroy the boards, and barricade the rim on defense. Thompson can do the first two of those things, and he showed flashes of explosive rim protection in the playoffs when he played at peak effort; the Cavs outscored opponents by a ridiculous 15 points per 100 possessions when LeBron, Love, and Thompson shared the floor last season. Thompson isn’t a great pick-and-roll finisher, but he’s fast, and he sucks in defenders just by scooting down the lane; Cleveland scored at a very high rate on possessions that included Thompson screening for either LeBron or Irving, per SportVU data provided to Grantland.

But Thompson and Mozgov are third wheels in those trios, and no reasonable team would pay near-max money for two third wheels who shouldn’t play much together. They did out of necessity after Love’s injury in the playoffs, and the Cavs got within two wins of the title. But the limitations of the Mozgov-Thompson duo forced LeBron into an unsustainable bulldozing mode that exhausted him. Cleveland doesn’t want to choose between the two, but if Thompson’s price gets high enough, the Cavs might have to.

None of this is to denigrate Thompson’s game, or his role in Cleveland’s run to the Finals. He was sensational. He embarrassed Paul Millsap and Pau Gasol on the glass, showed an improved touch on putbacks, and stifled Jeff Teague, Derrick Rose, and other perimeter players on switches. The Cavs can smother your preferred pick-and-roll combination in crunch time by slotting LeBron on the ball handler and Thompson on the screener, and switching at will.

Opponents have to think twice about doing that to the LeBron-Thompson combination on the other end, even if they have a big who can hang with LeBron; leaving a smaller guy on Thompson is a recipe for death on the glass. He’s such a dangerous offensive rebounder that opponents in the playoffs started putting their best box-out guy on Thompson, even if it left an overmatched forward to check Mozgov. Teams send extra bodies to the defensive glass to protect against Thompson, neutering their transition attacks. Thompson is the rare offensive rebounder so deadly that he changes game plans. The mere threat of his glass-eating creates trickle-down effects that are sometimes hard to see.

He’s just a tough piece to fit in a league where having at least one big man who can shoot at all times is almost a necessity. Millsap can play with anyone; Thompson can’t. He’s a complete non-shooter, and he hasn’t learned to compensate by tossing quick-hitting interior dishes through the tiny slivers that open when he rolls to the basket. He just doesn’t read the floor fast enough. He likes to pause, gather the ball, bring it below his waist, and prime for the next move as help defenders swipe at him.

Thompson is not an especially explosive above-the-rim finisher. He needs time to load up for jumps, and defenders use that window to rotate over and swat him. That’s not ideal for a garbage man, and Thompson on offense is basically that — a bouncy mooch. He’s in the perfect spot to play that role. LeBron and Irving draw help defenders almost every time they dribble, freeing Thompson to cut into open space and gobble up offensive rebounds when those guys miss. A lot of his offensive boards come when he screens for James, rumbles down the lane with defenders behind him, and waits to see if LeBron misses.

His ability to switch on defense will become more important as the league gets smaller, faster, and more pass-happy, but he’s not quite an All-Defense-level player. He suffers half-second blips of confusion off the ball as the rotations fly fast and furiously, and his help at the rim has been inconsistent.

Thompson’s a nice player, but the Cavs are playing the market well in betting that their five-year, $80 million offer might be as good as it gets for him. And Paul is justified in using Cleveland’s semi-urgent health situation against it. This is a tricky situation, but Cleveland has a bit more leverage today than it had yesterday, and it just seems like an easy and fair compromise has been staring both sides in the face for months. Cleveland has offered a fair deal, and it’s uncertain if Thompson can do any better on the open market — if he ever gets there.

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/tristan-thompson-continues-his-poker-game-with-cleveland/

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100. "So who's gonna blink?"
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101. "done deal. 5/82."
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102. "RE: really, tristan?"
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https://www.facebook.com/cryingjordan/photos/a.883978891721420.1073741827.883977168388259/1086605908125383/?type=3&theater

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103. "fam you gotta check snopes before you posting random facebook links"
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http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2016/11/no_cavaliers_tristan_thompson.html

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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104. "that's why I didn't make a new post, I figured I'd post it in a random....."
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thread and let one of y'all do the research

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105. "goddamn bum."
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107. "bron fault for reals "
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106. "Kardashian curse is REAL"
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108. "https://twitter.com/DefPenHoops/status/872614872403517441/video/1"
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https://twitter.com/DefPenHoops/status/872614872403517441/video/1

fuck this nigga, man. for real.

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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes

  

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109. "LMAO he looks like he's about to get in stage to battle the Treacherous ..."
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