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"Kobe Bryant: Titles >>> Friends"
Tue Jun-30-15 09:06 AM by melmag

  

          

Kobe: Friends can come and go, but banners hang forever

Earlier this year, Kobe Bryant said “being a great friend is something I will never be.” The Los Angeles Lakers star guard explained that comment at an event Saturday by saying, “I meant that friends can come and go, but banners hang forever.”

Bryant, a five-time NBA champion, made his remarks during an interview with ESPN's Jemele Hill at the BET Experience at the Nokia Theater in Los Angeles.

The question posed by Hill alluded to Bryant’s comments in a GQ magazine piece published in March 2015.

“It’s crazy, right?” Bryant said Saturday of his mindset. “It’s like, ‘This dude is nuts.’ But when you grow up, I loved the game so much. It wasn’t on purpose to be a bad friend or not to be as good of a friend. It takes time to do that. It takes a lot of energy to do that.

“Consciously, all my energy was focused on one thing. It’s like, friends, I have friends that have known me since I was 11. They know that that’s how I am. But nine times out of 10, that’s how they are too. Because they’re as driven at what they do as what I am. It works out.”

Hill asked Bryant what he has learned from strained relationships with teammates over his 19-year NBA career.

“Don’t be an a--h---,” Bryant said with a laugh. “No, I mean, I’ve never been the most patient person in the world, and one of my pet peeves is laziness or people who make excuses. I can’t stand it. Working with Shaq, the guy, he’s a freak of nature. He’s mean when he plays, which I relate to.

“But there are other parts that I just didn’t relate to. So there are certain things that were strengths of his, like putting his arm around the guys and helping them be better emotionally and giving them support. I wasn’t very good at that.

“But my strengths were my focus and my dedication to the game. I had to sit back and say, ‘We have these disagreements, but what can I learn from him? What does he do well?’ And once I was able to look in the mirror and say, 'OK, maybe you are being an a--h---?' You’ve got to self-assess. All this stuff ain’t coming from . It’s not just made up. So once I learned that, I think we were able to go to a higher level as a team.”

Did Bryant un-learn how to be, as he put it, an “a-hole”?

"There’s two ways to do that,” he said. “One, you can stop. Or two, you can just be extremely consistent, and then the people will get used to it. So when I said, 'I stopped being an a--h---,' what I’m really saying is people just got used to me being an a--h---. Then it was like, ‘OK, that’s just him.’”

"There's certain players that I've made cry. If I can make you cry by being sarcastic, then I really don't want to play with you in the playoffs."
Kobe Bryant

Bryant then recounted a memorable interaction with a former Lakers teammate.

“Honestly, I remember Rick Fox said something in a meeting that stuck with me forever,” Bryant said. “Because we were having a discussion and he said, ‘Kobe, we just want to feel like you’re a part of us.’ And I never looked at it that way. I thought, ‘What do you mean? I am. I’m practicing hard every single day.’

“But that’s not what he meant. For me, stop being an a--h--- really meant you’ve got to start approaching the game on a human level and understand that we are people and we need to have that connection versus this hard drive all the time. Because no matter how skillful you are, it’s an emotional game. If you don’t have that emotional connectivity with somebody or with a group, you’re not going to get at your highest level of potential.”

Bryant said he’s still close with several of his former teammates, such as Lamar Odom, Derek Fisher, Ronny Turiaf and Shannon Brown.

“Now, to them, if you ask them, they’ll sit here and say, ‘No, he’s not an a--ho---,’” Bryant said. “But if you go to some of the other guys who show up to practice an hour later. You know what I’m saying? You know them. They’re easily identifiable. Those guys will say, ‘Yeah, he’s a big a--h---.’”

He added, “Your job is to imprint a DNA on a team. You have to push buttons. The trick is figuring out when to push them and how to push them. You’ve got to do that.”

What's the worst thing Bryant ever said to a teammate?

“Oh, Jesus, let me think,” he said with a laugh. “I’m not sure if the fact that I’m thinking about the worst things that I’ve said really means that I haven’t said that many, or maybe I’ve said too many. I’m scrolling through them . I’m like on iPod shuffle.

“I have made somebody cry before.”

Who?

“There are certain players that I’ve made cry,” Bryant said. “If I can make you cry by being sarcastic, then I really don’t want to play with you in the playoffs if that’s making you cry.

“But let me see. There was one teammate that was just so bad. He was so bad. It wasn’t Kwame . Kwame wasn’t actually that bad. I tease Kwame. It wasn’t Smush . It was a player that you guys won’t even remember if I said who his name was. I can’t even pronounce his name. It was some European kid.

“But he was really, really bad. I said, ‘Dude, you might want to reconsider what your life purpose is. Maybe it’s not this.’ It came out that way. I was like, maybe 20-something years old, I don’t know, really young.

“You know how you think one thing in your head, like, ‘I’m going to say this, and it’s going to sound like this.’ Then it comes out and it’s like, ‘Oh, s---. That’s not what it sounds like.' That is not how I envisioned it coming out. No, I meant, maybe you’re not reaching your highest potential by doing this. Maybe it’s something else.”

Bryant was asked to explain where the perception that he is difficult to play alongside, a well-documented perception that has reportedly deterred several free agents from coming to play for the Lakers, first developed.

“From people that want to take the easy route with stuff,” Bryant said. “You want to come? You want to play and play your heart out and compete and win? We’ll have no issues. It’s the people that ... say these things and the people that don’t show up to practice and the people that don’t want to work hard and the people that aren’t committed to it. We will never have anything in common. We just won’t. I’m completely fine with that. I’m completely OK with that. We can’t converse.”

Bryant also said growing up in Italy influenced not only his playing style but also his relationships with people.

“It shaped a lot,” he said. “In that situation, you wind up being in isolation a lot, so you have a lot of time to think. I gravitated to basketball even more because of the lack of common ground that I had with friends over there. So I wound up playing the game a lot by myself, imagining and dreaming and envisioning.

“But also, on the flip side of that, it makes you play things closer to the chest. Which is why I’m more comfortable shooting the ball off the double-team than passing to somebody in the corner for a game winner. No joke. Because you grow up really relying on yourself. So I had to learn, no, it’s OK to work with others. But when you grow up in isolation, especially in pressure moments, you always kind of go back to your nature.”

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lakers/post/_/id/41673/kobe-friends-can-come-and-go-but-banners-hang-forever

  

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Medvedenko?
Jun 30th 2015
1
Kobe's asshole-ness is well documented. MJ,while more respected,was also
Jun 30th 2015
2
Other than Bird, I don't think losing really bothers those guys
Jun 30th 2015
3
you're crazy, Magic hated losing, behind that smile he was just as...
Jun 30th 2015
6
      i'm putting magic in the category of older dudes i can't speak
Jun 30th 2015
7
I heard more about Wilt being an asshole off the court
Jun 30th 2015
5
I think Kobe being an asshole has more to do w/who he is a person
Jun 30th 2015
8
      All the greats have some asshole in them, the difference between Lebron....
Jun 30th 2015
9
           You might call that being an 'asshole,' I think it has more to do w/Bron
Jun 30th 2015
10
           yelling at chalmers made him a great teammate? What about
Jun 30th 2015
11
                handshakes tho.
Jun 30th 2015
12
                This is a good point.
Jun 30th 2015
13
                haha right.. Bron learned you gotta be a asshole sometimes to win
Jul 02nd 2015
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           RE: All the greats have some asshole in them, the difference between Leb...
Jul 01st 2015
15
                Tim's just low-key about his, you don't think he's ever cussed out...
Jul 02nd 2015
21
                     RE: Tim's just low-key about his, you don't think he's ever cussed out.....
Jul 03rd 2015
29
so many quotables.
Jun 30th 2015
4
My roommate saw the Kobe documentary and thought...
Jul 01st 2015
14
Ain't no Asperger's, he just Kobe
Jul 01st 2015
16
Sociopath
Jul 02nd 2015
26
Interesting, cuz I've long thought MJ has Aspergers.
Jul 03rd 2015
31
Honestly, old Kobe is kind of an embarrassment
Jul 02nd 2015
17
pretty much.
Jul 02nd 2015
19
he old. None of this counts.
Jul 02nd 2015
25
The whole thing was a narcissist's attempt to be self-deprecating
Jul 03rd 2015
30
I thought this said titties > friends at first glance smh
Jul 02nd 2015
18
lol thought it was just me.
Jul 02nd 2015
20
Hell it might have. There was an edit lol
Jul 02nd 2015
24
Yo, I gotta know what happened between Bean & Smush
Jul 02nd 2015
22
Over/under on Kobe having 5 friends
Jul 03rd 2015
27
Easily over... Let's see...
Jul 03rd 2015
28
      ....you're joking, of course?
Jul 03rd 2015
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      lolz!!!
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1. "Medvedenko?"
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>“I have made somebody cry before.”
>
>Who?
>
>“There are certain players that I’ve made cry,” Bryant
>said. “If I can make you cry by being sarcastic, then I
>really don’t want to play with you in the playoffs if
>that’s making you cry.
>
>“But let me see. There was one teammate that was just so
>bad. He was so bad. It wasn’t Kwame . Kwame wasn’t
>actually that bad. I tease Kwame. It wasn’t Smush .
>It was a player that you guys won’t even remember if I said
>who his name was. I can’t even pronounce his name. It was
>some European kid.
>
>“But he was really, really bad. I said, ‘Dude, you might
>want to reconsider what your life purpose is. Maybe it’s not
>this.’ It came out that way. I was like, maybe 20-something
>years old, I don’t know, really young.
>

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2. "Kobe's asshole-ness is well documented. MJ,while more respected,was also"
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an asshole.

but what about the other greats?

Wilt
Russell
Magic
Kareem
Bird
Lebron
Shaq

how many of them were assholes anywhere near the Kobe/MJ level?

  

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3. "Other than Bird, I don't think losing really bothers those guys"
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like it would Kobe/MJ. I can't really speak on the older dudes but I think Lebron/Shaq would get over a loss much quicker than Kobe and MJ. Especially Shaq

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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6. "you're crazy, Magic hated losing, behind that smile he was just as..."
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ruthless as MJ or Kobe.

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7. "i'm putting magic in the category of older dudes i can't speak"
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on.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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5. "I heard more about Wilt being an asshole off the court"
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8. "I think Kobe being an asshole has more to do w/who he is a person"
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and less to do w/him hating to lose...

MJ had that rep in college and coming into the league as being an ultra competitive person

It seems like every athletic attribute that we've associated w/MJ ppl project those same attributes onto Bean - Unlike MJ and even Zeke, who I've seen their will to win on more than one occasion and were known as task masters because of their desire to win, there aren't any instances that you can point to to make the claim Kobe is more competitive than anyone else...he's really more of an asshole

And FTR you don't have to be an asshole to win titles - hardly any of the other all-time greats had a rep as being assholes...especially to their teammates...which is why I say to an extent a lot of Kobe's rep is more affectation because he wanted to mimick everything abt MJ


>an asshole.
>
>but what about the other greats?
>
>Wilt
>Russell
>Magic
>Kareem
>Bird
>Lebron
>Shaq
>
>how many of them were assholes anywhere near the Kobe/MJ
>level?

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9. "All the greats have some asshole in them, the difference between Lebron...."
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now and Lebron when he was in Cleveland before and that first season in Miami is he learned how to be an asshole and say fuck people's feelings.

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10. "You might call that being an 'asshole,' I think it has more to do w/Bron"
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maturing and being in a different place in his career

For the most part, he's known to be a great teammate

It's like Bean WANTS ppl to perceive him as an asshole because it somehow makes him seem more driven to win (Jordan started that bs)


>now and Lebron when he was in Cleveland before and that first
>season in Miami is he learned how to be an asshole and say
>fuck people's feelings.

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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11. "yelling at chalmers made him a great teammate? What about"
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totally ignoring and disregarding the coach? Or subtweeting love? Seems more asshole to me

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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12. "handshakes tho."
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Maybe the evolution was in his demeanor as well.

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23. "haha right.. Bron learned you gotta be a asshole sometimes to win"
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15. "RE: All the greats have some asshole in them, the difference between Leb..."
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21. "Tim's just low-key about his, you don't think he's ever cussed out..."
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Manu or TP when their playing like some hoes?

If he hasn't he's not the "great leader" people make him out to be.

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29. "RE: Tim's just low-key about his, you don't think he's ever cussed out....."
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Talk about moving goalposts. I thought we were talking about being an asshole a la Kobe, Jordan, Bird type-shit.


I'm sure 50% of the NBA has cussed out teammates at some point in time.

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4. "so many quotables."
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knew smush's name would find its way in there.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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14. "My roommate saw the Kobe documentary and thought..."
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that he has a mild case of Aspergers.

She's not a psychologist, but the fact that he keeps to himself, is highly obsessive, driven, has a high-aptitude for his craft and also doesn't have a consistent ability to read social cues.

Or he just doesn't care and is simply a prick.

  

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16. "Ain't no Asperger's, he just Kobe"
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26. "Sociopath "
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31. "Interesting, cuz I've long thought MJ has Aspergers."
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So its interesting to see other ppl making similar observations.

As for Kobe, I think he just wants to be MJ lol

But maybe both of them got it. I could see that.

  

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17. "Honestly, old Kobe is kind of an embarrassment"
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The LMA thing kinda seals it

LMA was his last chance at ever being relevant and he
pissed it away

Now he ends his career as a gunning, hobbling disaster



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19. "pretty much."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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25. "he old. None of this counts."
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30. "The whole thing was a narcissist's attempt to be self-deprecating"
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You have to love how if you have any sort of disagreement with him, it's because you're lazy and don't want to win. Yes, we see the winners flocking to learn from him in his farewell tour.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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18. "I thought this said titties > friends at first glance smh"
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20. "lol thought it was just me."
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24. "Hell it might have. There was an edit lol"
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22. "Yo, I gotta know what happened between Bean & Smush"
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this bball rivalry is totally random and hilarious.

“I tell Steve, you won MVP but I was playing with Smush Parker” is still my favorite NBA quote.

They had him out there playing with Smush Parker LOL

This ain't normal 'I don't f*ck with you' talk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94bNyh6BBB0

Smush still salty too

  

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27. "Over/under on Kobe having 5 friends "
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gotta take the under, right?

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28. "Easily over... Let's see..."
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Feel
His trainer
Mitch?
His wife?
His kids?
Shaq
Pau
Derek Fisher plus others

  

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32. "....you're joking, of course?"
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>Feel
>Mitch?
>His wife?
>Shaq
>Pau

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dula dibiasi
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33. "lolz!!!"
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>Feel
>His trainer
>Mitch?
>His wife?
>His kids?
>Shaq
>Pau
>Derek Fisher plus others

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it is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts. - sherlock holmes

  

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