Looking at the two finals teams has me wondering what direction the team should go in.
The wiz are great defensively, and could build on that, like Cleveland with a front court similar to thompson and mozgov (maybe gortat and humphries) with a defensive minded back up point (Delly). In some ways, this is the easier model to mimic and Blatt/LeBron and them are achieving simply off of effort (i.e. The Wittman Way).
But Leonsis is talking alot about how the team is adopting the analytics approach next year and shooting more threes (and humphries is talking about working on his 3 point shooting and becoming a stretch). he cant guard multiple positions like draymond so they'd have to look to the draft or FA for that.
Wall will never be Curry, but curry cant shoot for his life right now and wall getting to the basket is an advantage when spacing the floor and getting needed buckets.
Beal could be Klay eventually... but who knows if he is healthy enough. He did have solid defense this playoffs. Otto and Barnes are prolly a wash.
In neither system does Nene or Seraphin play a role. And going after premier bigs like like Love, KD, M. Gasol, or Horford will drastically effect how we play.
We all know EG is gonna eff up the draft so to some degree this next draft pick doesnt even matter.
So what do yall think? Which style? What off-season moves do you want to see?
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2. "Otto is gonna be better than Barnes" In response to Reply # 0
i'll make this an agenda if i have to, but i don't think i have to.
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3. "Anyone who saw him this playoffs would agree" In response to Reply # 2
maybe as soon as next year, otto will officially "arrive". But i wouldnt be surprised if it takes another year for him to really make his presence felt consistently.
He's gonna play more games/minutes than ever next year. Hitting a wall, getting injured or both wont be surprising.
6. "you're an agenda gawd, who do i need to compare him to to mad make?" In response to Reply # 4
because i will do it this offseason. i will. ----------- Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious
9. "yeah, that agenda is so thoroughly won by the hoyas it's not worth it" In response to Reply # 7
and rudy gay old.
wait...rudy gay is 28? Otto better.
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12. "problem is, no one gives a fuck about rudy gay" In response to Reply # 11
i don't have an opponent. I'll stop hijacking this thread now.
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8. "Ugh....As much as I want the team to use more analytics...." In response to Reply # 0 Thu Jun-11-15 02:16 PM by B.J.S.301
I don't think this stretch PF thing is exactly the way to go. Ernie has tried to develop 4 PF in the last 5 years and none of them panned out. I hope Ernie doesn't think about drafting another one.
If they are going the analytics route, Wiz should consider drafting Tyus Jones. This team definitely needs more shooters and Tyus is a good as it comes. Heard Houston was interested though so that might not materialize.
Wiz should consider acqiring another defensive big in the near future. Gortat is not a defensive anchor. He barely plays 4th quarters. He bout to end up being a bad signing if Wittman keeps using him like he has. Who is gonna see value in a dude who don't play 4th quarters? Plus this team needs Nene's replacement.
...dunno which team will take him (probably a team that can eat $13M), but he could be got for 2 second round picks if it was up to me. use them shits on some young BIGS overseas.
go after a BIG in FAgency (i.e. Amir Johnson; Tyson Chandler; Greg Monroe?).
21. "Looney most likely will be the pick." In response to Reply # 20
Wiz have been working him out. They seem to like him. Not too excited about drafting him. Past drafting record with tweener PFs suggest that he won't work out.
I don't think there is enough value in trading the pick. Nobody really wants Nene and cap relief is not a premium like in years past.
23. "EG is already talking about the pick not being a contributor..." In response to Reply # 21
not getting minutes on a veteran playoff team. Setting the stage to draft the next project that leaves after his rookie contract. ugh.
I hope they take grant. He has size, might complement sessions if they have to play at the same time and is so raw. Could have an impact in this year's playoffs even if his upside is limited. Beal and Wall need to keep their minutes down a bit more and the second team needs a general to keep them from not sucking. Beal's injury and blowing leads in the third cost them a 50 win season last year.
This shit is the reason why this team will not go anywhere. Ernie doesn't see the value in developing talent at all. Ernie gonna need to see the value in drafting soon as it will be his cheapest option to fill roles with the cap going up. He can't keep bargain basement hunting talent forever.
I hear you about Grant. For me its either him or Tyus Jones. I really want Tyus but it seems like Houston got a strong hold on him. A guard that can spell Beal and Wall is definitely needed. They can use all the rest they can get.
I see all these Wiz fans pining for a stretch power forward. I don't think it's a bad idea, but I don't see it as a major need at this point. This team still lacks consistent talent.
25. "They just need to get lucky " In response to Reply # 24
i'd take a stretch 4, but the cats in our draft area are small or cant shoot. if they could somehow trade up to get one... or maybe portis or dekker falls.
Not a stretch, but WCS could fall...draft express has him at 16 now. They just need some luck.
Looks like Looney's health has bumped him down some...
in place of grant, Vaughn might be a good look coming off the bench.
The FA guard situation is much worse than the available bigs. The draft may be the only way to improve the backcourt without overpaying.
---------- "To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache. He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on (rookie-year) RG3
17. "RE: Pluses, development of Beal, Porter, minuses, Pierce departure, Bigs" In response to Reply # 16
>IMO this team is going nowhere but I hope that they (continue >to) entertain us in the process.
*sigh*
I'm tired of them being entertaining though. Gil era was entertaining too.
They trying to clear cap room to win the KD sweepstakes. I'm a pessimist. That shit ain't happening. Problem with the Wiz is that all the other draft picks outside of Beal and Porter were so bad that they have no real assets. If they want to do anything of significance, Porter, Beal or even Gortat gotta be on the block.
19. "Eh, I'm not entirely sold on that and even if it did, so what?" In response to Reply # 18
They already sported the overachievers' crown for beating Toronto's ass and hanging tough with Atlanta. Losing to the Cavs wouldn't have gotten them much more respect and damn sure no banners.
I just don't see it for this team, and it's got nothing to do with your boy being suspect as the No. 1 guy on a real contender. They just don't have enough inside and foreseeably won't get enough. They are the new Hawks, shoot for the middle and hit it squarely.
And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
28. "RE: High, they have to work with him of course, but the versatility..." In response to Reply # 27
At this point, I like our young core. Porter showed the same poise and grit this year that Beal did in his first year in the playoffs.
Unless it's someone who puts us in the ECF, I don't see moving either of them. I say stockpile for this farfetched KD to DC thing if anything and if that fails, have flexibility ______________________________________________________________________________
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32. "If Pierce goes to LA, Otto is the starter. " In response to Reply # 31
Which honestly would make me happy, cause that means Oubre would get tick sooner than later and we can start bringing him along immediately.
Otto's biggest defensive weakness is lateral quickness, and I can see Wittman bringing Oubre in to defend guys that are a little quicker on the first step. ______________________________________________________________________________
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33. "Re-signing Beal is gonna be a tough one to do" In response to Reply # 31
>but with beal... i wonder if they think he is not worth the >max, either cuz of his injuries or because it limits their >flexibility in 2017. >
He does somewhat limit their flexibility as a Max contract with him might be higher than Wall's contract. That is one of the reason's why I don't mind trading him. If they are gonna trade him, they should do it now. Plus if he can attract someone better, then it is a definite win.
34. "whoever they get for beal better be damn good." In response to Reply # 33
kid turns 22 this month, and is going to be a top 3-5 SG in a shooters league on a team with no other legit shooters...
so, if they can get Aldridge or KD, that's one thing, but talented losers like Love, or cousins is another. KD is getting old and has a foot thing too...
35. "Maybe, maybe not. " In response to Reply # 33
He's a RFA in 2016.
If this KD to DC thing happens, you just sign KD and then Beal as we should have his Bird rights. Sure you go into the luxury tax at that point, but if you have a team with Wall, Beal, Porter AND KD, YOU PAY THAT SHIT!
If KD is a no go, I think Beal can be gotten for less than the max.
Remember Pierce will be gone by then, Nene's $13million should be off the books by contract expiration or trade, and I think Webster's contract comes off the books too. We still have quite a bit of flexibility. ______________________________________________________________________________
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36. "Depends on Ted. He pretends his pockets aint straight." In response to Reply # 35
>If this KD to DC thing happens, you just sign KD and then Beal >as we should have his Bird rights. Sure you go into the luxury >tax at that point, but if you have a team with Wall, Beal, >Porter AND KD, YOU PAY THAT SHIT!
When it suits him, he talks about DC being a large market that can attract fans, players and investments.
When it suits him otherwise, he talks about games not being sold out, needing to develop the fan base and spending wisely.
I dont have faith that he will pay the tax to keep beal, get KD and resign otto a year later.
Maybe the new naming rights deal will help buffer some of this...
>its the nick young part that obviously scares me.
i think the key difference is that nick young was a knucklehead on a team full of knuckleheads. the inmates aren't running the asylum anymore so i think oubre will be fine.
38. "but nick young is near 30 still goofballing it up" In response to Reply # 37
Its certainly possible that oubre will be tamed/matured by the seriousness of this bunch... but i just dont like that gene in the DNA of my contributors at all.
let the 11th or 12th guy on the bench be entertaining while the team full of over-competitive ballers win games.
you can make shazaam and shaq fu after you earn some stardom.
ninjas that come into the league feeling themselves too much scare me.
30. "Don't know much about him, but I like his confidence. " In response to Reply # 26
He'll need that as Wittman likes to make his young guys wait. Hopefully he can provide some depth and scoring from the bench.
But if Pierce comes back, I'm not sure how that rotation works out. I really don't like the idea of Wall, Beal, Oubre, Porter/Pierce at the 4. Just don't think this team is built to play that way for sustainable periods.
I really hope he does bring some offense along with his length and defensive ability. We need it. ______________________________________________________________________________
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42. "Word is we're trying to trade Nene...." In response to Reply # 0
...there just isn't a lot of interest right now.
Which is understood. An oft hurt aging forward with a $13 million dollar price tag ain't sweet.
Then again we're in the middle of free agency. No one is going to take that on now. But mid season when people will be looking for expiring contracts, we might be able to land something.
43. "Nene too old, broke and expensive to be an asset to someone." In response to Reply # 42 Tue Jun-30-15 12:27 PM by B.J.S.301
Like you said though, he will be good trade bait at the trade deadline.
I don't mind keeping Nene because his deal is almost done. Gortat however is looking pretty questionable as a signing now. He doesn't play 4th quarters. That's not a good look for a marquee signing. I blame Witt for that though.
44. "His expiring deal should have value at some point" In response to Reply # 43
just depends on what we get back. Dont want to hurt cap flexibility in 2016 unless you know KD is not coming.
i think gortat plays more center in the 4th this season with Nene's status up in the air and a stretch forward getting more tick at the 4.
---------- "To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache. He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on (rookie-year) RG3
46. "the knicks could use a Nene. Of course once we finish fagency." In response to Reply # 42
Ya'll want calderoff?
-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.
45. "What's the latest on the Wizards?" In response to Reply # 0
With Pierce moving on, what is the team looking to do? You guys looked somewhat decent in the playoffs despite having a somewhat suspect showing from the staring front line. Curious how you guys will retool.
47. "Stand pat for KD basically" In response to Reply # 45
Maybe move Nene. But the roster isn't gonna get much retooling. I expect Ernie to stand pretty pat with everything. Ernie gonna give the youngins another year to develop I guess.
Doesn't me that I as a fan like this though. This roster is destined for first/second round exits at best as long as they stay where they are.
The locker room will be mature as hell, West brings physicality and smarts and Dudley is versatile. I still anticipate regression this season, which is ok if the reward is KD.
52. "why would they regress?" In response to Reply # 50
they didnt play up to their potential with the bench that they had. With the exception of losing pierce, all of their moves since the Sessions trade have been additive.
They werent major moves, but miller for sessions and oubre/dudley for webster/butler are moves toward a younger, faster, better defensive bench that can still score.
West adds leadership like you said and a nice jumper if he comes. prolly equals out the loss of seraphin although kevin had the greater upside obviously.
It comes down to whether wall can solidify his shot and beal can stay healthy, but these moves certainly wont hurt unless you think the Wizards overachieved last season.
54. "Oubre, Dudley, Neal, Anderson >>> Butler, Seraphin, Gooden, Pierce?" In response to Reply # 0 Wed Jul-08-15 08:51 AM by Awburn
Given the available cap space and the team friendly contracts, this was a fine offseason of modest upgrades. Would have loved to sign West too, but competing with SAN is kinda impossible. Either Seraphin or Gooden could still return so the net additions outweigh the losses.
Oubre is prolly not getting many minutes this year, which will be a mistake. But if his game is half as big as his ego, he'll force Wittman's hand like Otto did in the playoffs.
As always, this season will depend on how healthy Wall and Beal are whether either becomes a significantly better shooter.
56. "Gooden is a UFA but they might bring him back." In response to Reply # 55
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59. "Yup. Modest Upgrades." In response to Reply # 58
Butler and Gooden were both out of the league over the course of the last two years. At some point you have to stop relying on the andre millers of the world and get legitimate bench players.
Anderson shoots like Webster but actually plays defense. One or two out of Anderson, Neal and Dudley could easily see the increase in production that Ariza saw when he played with Wall.
An ECF run will still depend on the evolution of Wall, Beal and now Otto. The car is still the car, but the inside got detailed them mcdonalds fries from 2012 arent under the seat anymore.
62. "disappointing, i think that is why they brought gooden back " In response to Reply # 61 Thu Jul-23-15 11:42 AM by Awburn
should be back by the start of the season. its gonna take some time for him to help the team this year, but they have enough bodies to fill the void if he starts slow. Webster didnt help at all when he came back but i dont know the relative severity of the injuries.
the forward spots are full up with anderson, oubre, webster,gooden, humphries and otto.
ECF or bust.
---------- "To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache. He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit." Justin Tuck on (rookie-year) RG3
64. "The wiz are all in for 2016. This year is just a step towards KD" In response to Reply # 63
>Cause the roster changes have been marginal at best. No real >game changer this season. Otto and Oubre gonna have to develop >pretty fast too.
Regardless of 2016, Wall and Beal need to become all-NBA type players to elevate the team. KD with a bad foot won't get it done alone.
I do think that anderson and neal are the kind of players that can keep us from blowing so many 3rd quarter leads. We arent a team that has a bench full of starters like the clippers or warriors, but you dont need that in the east this year to compete for a top 3 seed.
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