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"Have fun RBO: Pels hire black mediocre retread coach Alvin Gentry"
Sat May-30-15 06:49 PM by ShawndmeSlanted

  

          

to 1-up the magic.

Word is Vinny deal negro has had interviews too.

Gonna be a nice summer for these mediocre guys.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Hmm...got it over Van Gundy too. **shrugs**
May 30th 2015
1
Why would Van Gundy not be a mediocre retread?
May 30th 2015
2
      Solid reg season record, solid playoff record, been to a Finals.
May 30th 2015
3
      Scott Brooks, Avery Johnson, Mike Brown, Byron Scott and Stan...
May 30th 2015
4
           ^^^MY NIGGGA.
May 30th 2015
5
           And they could've hired Avery Johnson, Mike Brown, or Scott Brooks
May 30th 2015
7
      Bickerstaff is a good coach in the general sense, but not a good HC
May 31st 2015
15
           Bickerstaff understands the race dynamics
May 31st 2015
20
                you're improving at making bullshit up as you go along
May 31st 2015
22
                     Nah, I'm right.
May 31st 2015
25
                          Bickerstaff is the last person to GAF about what people think
May 31st 2015
27
                               Bwaha. Lakers wasn't giving HIM that job.
May 31st 2015
28
                                    I'll let Lakers fan handle all the wrong you packed into a tight space
May 31st 2015
29
                                         Haha. So Bernie was OFFERED, turned it DOWN, and THEN Pringles got it?
May 31st 2015
31
                                              He was the interim coach, you fucking idiot, and said he didnt want
May 31st 2015
34
                                                   Bwhaahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha
May 31st 2015
35
                                                        have any more speculation to offer?
May 31st 2015
36
Tale of the tape: "mediocre, dumb coach" vs. "Top candidate for a job"
May 30th 2015
6
Might wanna check that math again, boss.
May 30th 2015
8
Glad you agree with me. Fucked up, ain't it?
May 30th 2015
9
      I actually have no idea who the 2nd one is.
May 30th 2015
10
           "Meh" sounds about right.
May 30th 2015
11
           Will there be ONE thread that goes by without mention of Mike Brown?
May 31st 2015
17
                "Doofus." You never called a YT coach with a .600 win % a "doofus."
May 31st 2015
21
                     not sure what george karl's win percentage is but yes i have
May 31st 2015
23
                          Bwahahaahaha. NOOOOPE.
May 31st 2015
24
                               Well ...
May 31st 2015
26
I know it's so obvious that RBO hates black people
May 31st 2015
16
      https://youtu.be/Zrl2Dm8Rwtk?t=50s
May 31st 2015
19
gimme all the shares of Alvin Gentry
May 31st 2015
12
no one is fighting you for them lol
May 31st 2015
33
      good
May 31st 2015
37
      Hmm...
Jun 01st 2015
48
Figured this was going to happen. Vaya con Dios, Alvin
May 31st 2015
13
This thread....
May 31st 2015
14
Gentry is above average, Vinny Del Negro is well below average
May 31st 2015
18
are you just salty because the Suns beat the Rockets or something?
May 31st 2015
30
RE: are you just salty because the Suns beat the Rockets or something?
May 31st 2015
32
LMAO when is the last time the Suns beat Hou
Jun 01st 2015
38
      In fairness on the Clipper end, that whole team was a bunch of losers
Jun 01st 2015
39
           RE: In fairness on the Clipper end, that whole team was a bunch of loser...
Jun 01st 2015
40
                Of course it wasnt all on him
Jun 01st 2015
41
                     This agenda has jumped over a tornado full of sharks.
Jun 01st 2015
43
                          its best when white posters start agreeing with OE
Jun 01st 2015
44
                          RE: its best when white posters start agreeing with OE
Jun 01st 2015
50
                               No Gentry is mediocre. And his head coaching career shows as much.
Jun 01st 2015
51
                                    You said the Pelicans should have been > The Rockets, bro.
Jun 01st 2015
53
                                    Find the Post or You Are A Liar.
Jun 01st 2015
55
                                         RE: Find the Post or You Are A Liar.
Jun 02nd 2015
66
                                              Pretty close? No. And I also broke down each of those rosters.
Jun 02nd 2015
67
                                                   RE: Pretty close? No. And I also broke down each of those rosters.
Jun 02nd 2015
68
                                                        Lol...I can't talk to you if you insist on pretending to be dumb.
Jun 02nd 2015
69
                                                             RE: Lol...I can't talk to you if you insist on pretending to be dumb.
Jun 02nd 2015
72
                                                                  RE: Lol...I can't talk to you if you insist on pretending to be dumb.
Jun 02nd 2015
76
                                                                       RE: Lol...I can't talk to you if you insist on pretending to be dumb.
Jun 02nd 2015
78
                                                                            RE: Lol...I can't talk to you if you insist on pretending to be dumb.
Jun 02nd 2015
80
                                                                                 RE: Lol...I can't talk to you if you insist on pretending to be dumb.
Jun 02nd 2015
82
                                                                                 RE: Lol...I can't talk to you if you insist on pretending to be dumb.
Jun 02nd 2015
83
                                    RE: No Gentry is mediocre. And his head coaching career shows as much.
Jun 02nd 2015
63
                          nah, I peep game on you two & since we got a podcast no more I'm gonna
Jun 01st 2015
52
                               Bomb I can't read a whole Bombland Oral History of Alvin Gentry...
Jun 02nd 2015
57
                                    RE: Bomb I can't read a whole Bombland Oral History of Alvin Gentry...
Jun 02nd 2015
60
                                    RE: Bomb I can't read a whole Bombland Oral History of Alvin Gentry...
Jun 02nd 2015
71
                                         Whoa bud...
Jun 02nd 2015
73
                                              RE: Whoa bud...
Jun 02nd 2015
74
                                              Who said contempt? Lol...this agenda or obsession with me is crazy bro.
Jun 02nd 2015
77
                                                   RE: Who said contempt? Lol...this agenda or obsession with me is crazy b...
Jun 02nd 2015
79
                                                        Kevin Ollie would be new blood. A former player who..
Jun 02nd 2015
81
                                                             RE: Kevin Ollie would be new blood. A former player who..
Jun 02nd 2015
84
                                              Hey man, like I said. I want it to work. I'll give him a chance.
Jun 02nd 2015
75
                                    RE: Bomb I can't read a whole Bombland Oral History of Alvin Gentry...
Jun 02nd 2015
65
Related: Brian Shaw looking to replace Gentry as Dubs assistant coach
Jun 01st 2015
42
Oh and this prediction right here, who wants to put money on it:
Jun 01st 2015
47
      Dunno what that has to do with Shaw... But I only half agree
Jun 01st 2015
49
      LOL @ off Kerr's coaching tree. Do you understand what that means?
Jun 02nd 2015
56
Damn OE, this one is tailor made for you.
Jun 01st 2015
45
Even Malcom X prolly chilled and played spades from time to time
Jun 01st 2015
46
go eat a nice dinner, go get some dessert pussy too, got u covered @ #52
Jun 01st 2015
54
Wow, this post finally gave Kajun & I something to agree on re: his team
Jun 02nd 2015
62
      Is this where we hug?
Jun 02nd 2015
70
Can someone explain to me how Hoiberg is worth $11.25 million more...
Jun 02nd 2015
58
He's white, Bulls are dumb, and they fell in love with him months ago
Jun 02nd 2015
59
Bulls are trying to save face after the Thibs mess & Hoiberg is getting
Jun 02nd 2015
61
      RE: Bulls are trying to save face after the Thibs mess & Hoiberg is gett...
Jun 02nd 2015
64
I'm not out on Alvin yet. Umm hmm. I'll wait 'til Reke comes back. Um hm...
Nov 02nd 2015
85
damn...already?
Nov 02nd 2015
86
"nigger chance"(c)James Harris
Nov 02nd 2015
87
3 losses against 2 of the NBA's best teams with half the squad gone
Nov 02nd 2015
88
too soon to panic
Nov 02nd 2015
89

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1. "Hmm...got it over Van Gundy too. **shrugs**"
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I guess they want to focus on offense.

It's like a mediocre merry-go-round.

Bernie Bickerstaff and Lawrence Frank somewhere sitting by their phones.

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2. "Why would Van Gundy not be a mediocre retread? "
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>I guess they want to focus on offense.

Its funny how him hugging on Alonzo Mourning's leg
seems to be enough for us to think he's actually
a great coach

He isn't.

>It's like a mediocre merry-go-round.
>
>Bernie Bickerstaff and Lawrence Frank somewhere sitting by
>their phones.

And Bernie Bickerstaff is actually a good coach.


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3. "Solid reg season record, solid playoff record, been to a Finals."
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Bernie Bickerstaff is mediocre to bad. More losses than wins.

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4. "Scott Brooks, Avery Johnson, Mike Brown, Byron Scott and Stan..."
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Van Gundy have all been to the Finals since Jeff Van Gundy did 16 years ago.

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5. "^^^MY NIGGGA. "
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>Van Gundy have all been to the Finals since Jeff Van Gundy
>did 16 years ago.

Goddamn

Comedy how niggas....and PROUD STRONG black men like RBO
(who I fucks with) just ELEVATE white people for NO REASON

IMAGINE what white people do?

This is so sad

We will NEVER have a fair chance in this country

EVER


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7. "And they could've hired Avery Johnson, Mike Brown, or Scott Brooks"
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...(in that order) and it would've been a good look as well.

**shrugs**

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15. "Bickerstaff is a good coach in the general sense, but not a good HC"
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same thing with frank. bickerstaff seems very comfortable with that, and hopefully for the basketball watching public frank is too.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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20. "Bickerstaff understands the race dynamics"
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>same thing with frank. bickerstaff seems very comfortable
>with that, and hopefully for the basketball watching public
>frank is too.

He's far, far, far better than Lawrence Frank.

And he's an older black man, and knows not to ruffle
feathers or he won't get a job.


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22. "you're improving at making bullshit up as you go along"
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but still transparent, and also pretty condescending toward bickerstaff with that remark. hey, whatever furthers your needle dick agendas on a message board.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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25. "Nah, I'm right. "
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>but still transparent, and also pretty condescending toward
>bickerstaff with that remark. hey, whatever furthers your
>needle dick agendas on a message board.

Cry sissy

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(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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27. "Bickerstaff is the last person to GAF about what people think"
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He wanted no parts of the Lakers head job and he's actually pretty outspoken. I've talked to him personally, he is a real ass dude, unlike youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.


G'night.

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28. "Bwaha. Lakers wasn't giving HIM that job. "
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They gave it to PRINGLES, speaking of mediocre retreads

Pringles ran them into the ground

Unlike Mike Brown

  

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29. "I'll let Lakers fan handle all the wrong you packed into a tight space"
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31. "Haha. So Bernie was OFFERED, turned it DOWN, and THEN Pringles got it? "
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Is that why Pringles FIRED BICKERSTAFF!?!?

Because the Lakers loved him soooo much!?!?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHH
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHH


You fucking dipshit!!! Lakers wasn't going to give
him that job for keeps!! NEVER had a chance!!

  

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34. "He was the interim coach, you fucking idiot, and said he didnt want"
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the HC job.

He was considered.

That D'Antoni brought in his own staff is hardly unusual.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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35. "Bwhaahahaahahahahahahahahahahaha"
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>the HC job.
>
>He was considered.

They wasn't give him the fucking job you stinking
liar

Ain't about what he WANTED

He wasn't going to get it

>That D'Antoni brought in his own staff is hardly unusual.

  

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36. "have any more speculation to offer?"
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according to you, he was never a candidate for the job and he turned it down to avoid making waves. yet he actually was a candidate, told them he wasn't interested and, if that was his motivation, it sure didn't work out because they canned him when the new coach came in.

just admit you dont know shit about it and move on.

i am surprised he didnt put out this mind-bending stat juke, saying that bickerstaff had a better winning percentage than phil jackson or pat riley but they still fired him. nevermind that he didn't want the job or that he coached five games (4-1 record).

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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6. "Tale of the tape: "mediocre, dumb coach" vs. "Top candidate for a job" "
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"Dumb, ignorant, doesn't understand offense, stupid,
doesn't understand lineups:"

347-216 regular season (.616)
47-36 Playoff record (.566)



"Elite coach, waiting for the right top job to take,
really earned his stripes, a championship caliber
coach"

430-218 regular season (.575)
88-44 playoff record (.500)



We will NEVER end racism

EVER





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8. "Might wanna check that math again, boss. "
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>
>
>"Dumb, ignorant, doesn't understand offense, stupid,
>doesn't understand lineups:"
>
>347-216 regular season (.616)
>47-36 Playoff record (.566)
>
>
>
>"Elite coach, waiting for the right top job to take,
>really earned his stripes, a championship caliber
>coach"
>
>430-218 regular season (.575)
>88-44 playoff record (.500)
>
>
>
>We will NEVER end racism
>
>EVER
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
>
>
>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "

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9. "Glad you agree with me. Fucked up, ain't it? "
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Hug?

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10. "I actually have no idea who the 2nd one is. "
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I just know 88-44 is a .667 playoff record, which is pretty goddamn good.

EDIT: Oh, it's Van Gundy, who has a 44-44 playoff record.

Meh.

I'm not a fan of him or Mike Brown. We haven't seen Jeff coach for a long time. I'd miss him on TV.

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11. ""Meh" sounds about right. "
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That about summarizes why shit will never be fair.

"Meh."

It's not fair.

It's not "meh."

And until regular like YOU start saying it, it won't change.

Not that I expect you to! Not even mad if you don't, because
we all got problems of our own, and I don't know you.

I'm just saying: that is why we have a problem.

It's blatant, unfair shit like that...it's rampant everywhere.

And instead of admitting it, we cop pleas, qualify, and Harlem
shake around it.


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17. "Will there be ONE thread that goes by without mention of Mike Brown?"
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I want this spud cranium doofus to get another job just someone will STFU, until he fucks up a third straight job royally, that is.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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21. ""Doofus." You never called a YT coach with a .600 win % a "doofus." "
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Checkmate, biatch


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23. "not sure what george karl's win percentage is but yes i have "
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referred to him as that and worse.

you can't play this game with me. race doesn't mean shit to me in sports, apart from pulling for the minority. that means black coaches, that means black players in hockey, that means international players in all sports, etc. that's a rooting interest, too, as far as evaluating it just doesn't even register to me. conversely you are fucking obsessed with it, to the point of self-caricaturization and outright bigotry. if it were sincere, it would be very sad.

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24. "Bwahahaahaha. NOOOOPE. "
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>referred to him as that and worse.
>
>you can't play this game with me. race doesn't mean shit to me
>in sports, apart from pulling for the minority. that means
>black coaches, that means black players in hockey, that means
>international players in all sports, etc. that's a rooting
>interest, too, as far as evaluating it just doesn't even
>register to me. conversely you are fucking obsessed with it,
>to the point of self-caricaturization and outright bigotry. if
>it were sincere, it would be very sad.

"Bigotry?"

Now you crying victim?

And you're the furthest from a bigot. Never even came close
to saying that.

But even RBO was saying "New Orleans should have won more
games than Houston" and is in here INVENTING reasons that
JVG would have been a good hire

You see, this belief in black incompetency is as American
as Apple pie, bro. Everyone believes it to the point of
basic unspoken truth

It's worse than skin color and beauty, bro

It's just the way it go

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26. "Well ..."
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>"Bigotry?"
>
>Now you crying victim?
>
>And you're the furthest from a bigot. Never even came close
>to saying that.

No, I don't consider myself a victim or that you've been bigoted toward me, but any time a white coach does anything less than win a title (and possibly in some cases where they *do* win), you're quick to push out a hyperbolic version of criticisms of a black coach. Is it satire? Or is it bigotry? I used to think it was satire, but now I am not as sure.

>But even RBO was saying "New Orleans should have won more
>games than Houston" and is in here INVENTING reasons that
>JVG would have been a good hire

You can have that argument with him. I do think Van Gundy is a more sought-after coach, I mean, he hasn't coached in some time and he stays on short lists, whereas Gentry is intermittently available for a variety of positions. I like the Gentry hire OK but at this point I am not really sure why they bothered firing Williams. That's their call and I mean it was hard to judge much last year because they had a revolving door roster wiht injuries.

>You see, this belief in black incompetency is as American
>as Apple pie, bro. Everyone believes it to the point of
>basic unspoken truth
>
>It's worse than skin color and beauty, bro
>
>It's just the way it go
>
>Don't get mad at me for pointing it out

To hear you tell it Mike Brown is an elite coach who got a raw deal from having bad jobs, which just happened to be coaching two of the best players in NBA history. It's rare that I'll value the general consensus over someone's opinion, but you have managed to reach that level of sophistry and wrongness. Quite a feat, I admire your dedication staying up until 4 AM to really hammer home your delusions about why someone might disagree with your poorly formed opinions.

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16. "I know it's so obvious that RBO hates black people"
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19. "https://youtu.be/Zrl2Dm8Rwtk?t=50s"
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https://youtu.be/Zrl2Dm8Rwtk?t=50s

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12. "gimme all the shares of Alvin Gentry"
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he'll prove himself with the talent on that squad

  

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33. "no one is fighting you for them lol"
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He couldnt get prime grant hill out of the 1st round here.

That was all ill ever need to see.

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37. "good"
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48. "Hmm..."
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13. "Figured this was going to happen. Vaya con Dios, Alvin"
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Called it in the "Monty fired" thread. After this season, he was a season to get a head coach spot. Glad he gets to work with a young team like the Pels. Also glad he'll finish up the play offs with us.

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14. "This thread...."
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...captures OEs point about how Black coaches never get the benefit of doubt. I hope Al G. does a good job. It hurts to see black folks buy into the bullshit...White supremacy is a tricky bastard...

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18. "Gentry is above average, Vinny Del Negro is well below average"
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Let's not lump those two together. Gentry is an adequate pro coach that should be in the cycle of head men and lead assistants. Good for him. Van Gundy seems to be mentioned constantly but probably won't leave broadcasting, plus I don't know how good of a fit he is in New Orleans. Thibs didn't seem like their guy, I suspect they want Gentry to be the head man and install an offense, then try to find the next Thibs to be his main assistant.

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30. "are you just salty because the Suns beat the Rockets or something?"
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Gentry has supercharged the Warriors offense and in his last stop took an aging Phoenix team with two defensively useless stars to game 6 of the conference finals, then watched management let Amare walk and hire a GM who undermined him.

Of all the candidates mentioned, he is by far the best. I trust him with the future best player in league.

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32. "RE: are you just salty because the Suns beat the Rockets or something?"
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U making too much sense. Stop!!!!

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38. "LMAO when is the last time the Suns beat Hou "
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in a meaningful game or series.


>Gentry has supercharged the Warriors offense

great. he's an awesome assistant. Like I said in another post, that's okay.

and in his last
>stop took an aging Phoenix team with two defensively useless
>stars to game 6 of the conference finals, then watched
>management let Amare walk and hire a GM who undermined him.

Great. That 09-10 season was his only good year as a coach. He had a pretty good team that year that had underachieved with Porter

I followed the early 2000 clippers pretty closely and his inability to get that team to the next level was pretty frustrating. He didnt make in game adjustments and even struggled to get that team to adapt his style. He was mediocre in Detroit. There was nothing after he lost the horses in Phx that showed he could develop a team or young talent.

Fans of those clipper teams, the pistons, the suns didnt cry a beat when he was fired
>
>Of all the candidates mentioned, he is by far the best. I
>trust him with the future best player in league.


Sure he's better than VDN but he's still mediocre. He's had only 1 full season over .500, made it to the playoffs twice, and gotten out the first rd once. That is as mediocre as you can get.


I dont know if JVG was the right fit for NOK but hes a tier above Gentry. This is the dude who took the NYK franchise to the finals. Just let that marinate for a second. The NY knicks franchise.

He underachieved in Houston, but Id take him over Gentry any day. In contrast, his teams have missed the playoffs once in an injury riddled season.

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39. "In fairness on the Clipper end, that whole team was a bunch of losers"
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I mean I get it, I liked watching them too, I still remember their episode of "The Life" on ESPN2, would watch their broadcasts as much as I could even on the East Coast at the time in my bartending days.

And yeah it was fun to buy into them initially as a team filled with young promising athletic talent plus Bill Walton and Ralph Lawler calling their games but every one of those guys was completely unable to ever put it all together for any length of time.

D Miles was a volleyball player who then made movies, got traded, tried to fight Moe Cheeks, got traded again, got injured, was soon sitting in the stands at a Cavs game looking like post-prison ODB.

QRich handled his breakup with Miles like Cat Mobley, briefly reinvented himself as a spot up shooter in Houston, dated Brandy, went to the Knicks and played like a Knick.

Kandi Man......do we even need to discuss it?

Gentry got to coach the young, *less mature* version of Lamar Odom, a grown man nearing 40 addicted to candy, celebrity and allegedly crack cocaine who despite being the basketball equivelant of baseball's "five-tool player", never bothered figuring out how to go right and never won anything until accepting a role coming off the bench, then promptly went from Six Man of the Year to out of the league because he got traded.

He had Elton Brand for one season and he was injured for almost all of that season.

They went and got Andre Miller but tried to make him a team leader which he's proven to never be able to do and he didn't get along with Brand nor was he able to match the assist production of his Cleveland days even though he had ostensibly more talent around him to pass the basketball. I think he just won his first postseason series last year at 40 on his 10th team.

Maggette was still unable to drink legally and he never ended up getting it anyway, he was washed the minute he lost a shred of athleticism around age 30.

Who else........Jeff McInnes, who's known primarily for getting bitchslapped by Oak?

Little Earl?

Keyon Dooling?

I mean in retrospect, that was a "promising, exciting" team made up almost entirely of heatbreaking jackasses.

Tough to really put that on Alvin Gentry.

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40. "RE: In fairness on the Clipper end, that whole team was a bunch of loser..."
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>I mean I get it, I liked watching them too, I still remember
>their episode of "The Life" on ESPN2, would watch their
>broadcasts as much as I could even on the East Coast at the
>time in my bartending days.
>
>And yeah it was fun to buy into them initially as a team
>filled with young promising athletic talent plus Bill Walton
>and Ralph Lawler calling their games but every one of those
>guys was completely unable to ever put it all together for any
>length of time.
>
>D Miles was a volleyball player who then made movies, got
>traded, tried to fight Moe Cheeks, got traded again, got
>injured, was soon sitting in the stands at a Cavs game looking
>like post-prison ODB.
>
>QRich handled his breakup with Miles like Cat Mobley, briefly
>reinvented himself as a spot up shooter in Houston, dated
>Brandy, went to the Knicks and played like a Knick.
>
>Kandi Man......do we even need to discuss it?
>
>Gentry got to coach the young, *less mature* version of Lamar
>Odom, a grown man nearing 40 addicted to candy, celebrity and
>allegedly crack cocaine who despite being the basketball
>equivelant of baseball's "five-tool player", never bothered
>figuring out how to go right and never won anything until
>accepting a role coming off the bench, then promptly went from
>Six Man of the Year to out of the league because he got
>traded.
>
>He had Elton Brand for one season and he was injured for
>almost all of that season.
>
>They went and got Andre Miller but tried to make him a team
>leader which he's proven to never be able to do and he didn't
>get along with Brand nor was he able to match the assist
>production of his Cleveland days even though he had ostensibly
>more talent around him to pass the basketball. I think he
>just won his first postseason series last year at 40 on his
>10th team.
>
>Maggette was still unable to drink legally and he never ended
>up getting it anyway, he was washed the minute he lost a shred
>of athleticism around age 30.
>
>Who else........Jeff McInnes, who's known primarily for
>getting bitchslapped by Oak?
>
>Little Earl?
>
>Keyon Dooling?
>
>I mean in retrospect, that was a "promising, exciting" team
>made up almost entirely of heatbreaking jackasses.
>
>Tough to really put that on Alvin Gentry.

And yet some people will continue to put it on Al....

See how that works?...lol

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41. "Of course it wasnt all on him"
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But there was no development of those teams. Im not saying they couldve ben champions, they were fun to watch and had potential they didnt live up to as a unit, coach included.

I know what became of those guys but that team shouldve been better. They had plenty of pieces compared to who they were up against at the time to at least fight for a playoff spot, they were knuckleheads but they loved playing together (except the failed Dre Miller experiment).

End of the day if the Clippers were his only job, fine. He's been miediocre in Detroit adn he's been mediocre in Phx aside from one season.


Yall wanna defend 1, One, UNO winning season in 5 full seasons coached.

He's coached 12 seasons in the NBA
Has had 3 winning seasons (2 of those in short seasons)
Missed the playoffs 10 times
and advanced out of the first round Once.

Be my guest...



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43. "This agenda has jumped over a tornado full of sharks. "
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44. "its best when white posters start agreeing with OE"
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just to get in his good graces.

Remember friends, OE posts when he's bored at work or has absolutely nothing better to do.

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50. "RE: its best when white posters start agreeing with OE"
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>just to get in his good graces.
>
>Remember friends, OE posts when he's bored at work or has
>absolutely nothing better to do.


OE might be posting bored....But he's correct on Al G.....

Mike Brown, though? That's another story....

But basically, yeah....Al G. is a good coach and far from mediocre....I'm glad he is getting another chance like his "mediocre" white coaching brethren who seem to get chance after chance after chance...

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51. "No Gentry is mediocre. And his head coaching career shows as much."
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Alvin Gentry being a mediocre coach....
Is a Different Issue from...
Should black mediocre coaches get hired as often as white ones?

Yes all mediocre coaches should be hired and fired at the same rate.

But teams should strive for not hiring mediocre coaches.

Its that simple.

Some of y'all cats put on your fancy kufis for the wrong party.

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53. "You said the Pelicans should have been > The Rockets, bro."
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So your standards for black coaches been exposed as
tragically unfair

  

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55. "Find the Post or You Are A Liar. "
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66. "RE: Find the Post or You Are A Liar. "
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From the homie Billy O.:

>As far as their roster goes, on paper they're a lot better
>than or as good as a few teams that made the playoffs:
>Dallas
>Houston
>Memphis


Pretty close, no?

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67. "Pretty close? No. And I also broke down each of those rosters."
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Soooooooo.....

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68. "RE: Pretty close? No. And I also broke down each of those rosters."
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>Soooooooo.....


I'm just using your own words, my dude...

U can break it down however u want....All of those teams went into the season being viewed as BETTER than the Pels...Dallas, Memphis, Houston, ect....Especially in the STACKED West....Most people in their right minds would not have looked at them on paper (as u said) and deemed the Pels as on the level of those other teams...

And this was pointed out by sports media outlets and local NO newspapers even BEFORE the injury bug hit the Pels....

Like I said...I think u may be too involved in the success of Ant Davis to really take an unbiased view on this...From Monty to Al G....
The irony is Al G. has the type of offensive philosophy that should suit the Brow's skill set perfectly....

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69. "Lol...I can't talk to you if you insist on pretending to be dumb."
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Shit aint that hard to understand. Before the season, the Pels talent on their roster is as good or better than those other squads.

You disagree? Debate that. One by one. And let's see where we at.

Of course you don't want to. Because you want to pretend you're dumb.

If Alvin works out, great. Monty was not working out. The team did not execute on either end for the past 2 yrs.

You did not watch them. So I do not know how to understand your lazy man's analysis of what you may or may not have read in your Sunday Paper for a NBA preview.





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72. "RE: Lol...I can't talk to you if you insist on pretending to be dumb."
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>Shit aint that hard to understand. Before the season, the
>Pels talent on their roster is as good or better than those
>other squads.

Nothing dumb at all...I'm saying this^^^^^^ opinion was not shared by many folks....Because most folks don't judge a roster off of talent alone...What are the specifics of said team? We all knew what Houston, Dallas, Memphis were capable of even before the season started ON PAPER......

THAT Pels talent had too many question marks before the season started....Starting with the Pels' back court...Would Tyreke be able to rhave a bounce back season after his previous stinker of a year? Would J. Holiday come back strong after injury issue? And let's not even get started with E. Gordon, who people believed was on his last show-and-prove leg, injury wise....

The guiding light was the greatness of Ant Davis....

But when it came to measuring up to other teams in the West ON PAPER PRE-SEASON most media outlets had this team missing the playoffs or making the 8th spot....

So u can talk about how the Pels looked on paper all you like. Once again, u have to use nuance and specifics, not an NBA 2K approach....Here's basically what captures the view of how the Pels, coming off of injury issues the previous season, were viewed ON PAPER....

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2014-2015 NBA Season Predictions: what will happen in the Western Conference?

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New Orleans Pelicans: So Close They Can Taste It

The New Orleans Pelicans could be a potential playoff team, and they have the talent to do it. The performances of Eric Gordon and Tyreke Evans are key. With Jrue Holiday back from injury and Anthony Davis' potential starting to blossom, I can see NOLA making it close to an 8 seed. I just can't see them in the playoffs yet. The development of Anthony Davis will determine New Orleans' future. Can he continue to improve his offensive game and mold into the NBA's finest and most versatile big man? Also, do not forget an offseason move that has snuck by some people: the Pelicans acquired Omer Asik from the Houston Rockets. Under Dwight Howard, Asik was forced into a minuscule role that he clearly hated, but now he will be put alongside a top tier rim protector in Davis. The Asik/Davis defensive duo will become a dominant force across the league, but not quite enough to take home a playoff spot.

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76. "RE: Lol...I can't talk to you if you insist on pretending to be dumb."
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Most importantly, that notion was shared by management. Essentially they said, "The roster has enough talent to be very successful. Make them a team."

That's it. No excuses.

That's the job.

Yes, it's unfair. But it is what it is.

You have a Top 5 player, an All-Star pg who's not 25, a former R.O.Y., a big contract SG who was one of the top up and coming players who is now healthy, a coveted 6th man, and a solid Center.

That is on par with what the other teams had.

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78. "RE: Lol...I can't talk to you if you insist on pretending to be dumb."
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>Most importantly, that notion was shared by management.
>Essentially they said, "The roster has enough talent to be
>very successful. Make them a team."
>
>That's it. No excuses.
>
>That's the job.
>
>Yes, it's unfair. But it is what it is.
>
>You have a Top 5 player, an All-Star pg who's not 25, a former
>R.O.Y., a big contract SG who was one of the top up and coming
>players who is now healthy, a coveted 6th man, and a solid
>Center.
>
>That is on par with what the other teams had.

Man...that franchise was drinking their own Kool Aid....lol...All of the players involved beyond Ant Davis had MASSIVE question marks attached to them....

That All-Star PG? Was traded for a reason and was coming off of injury issues...

That SG? Was being viewed as having one of the worst contracts in the NBA? That 6th Man? He was never the issue, but he played a lesser role than the players that we all had questions about...It was questions about their backcourt...

And that Center? There was a question mark with Asik as well....Could he show the same promise he did with the Bulls?

Don't get it twisted, Billy....On paper....That team this season would be top 4 in the East. But in the West on paper? They were a 7th/8th seed, which has more to do with injury history and lackluster past play of key players than actual talent....

Do I think Gentry will improve them over Monty? Yeah....Because Gentry is the better coach. But do I believe that Monty deserved to be a scapegoat following a season where his team made the playoffs IN THE WEST despite serious injury obstacles?

Nah...

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That All-Star pg, had never been injured previously. And was traded, because the Sixers were tanking for picks.

The SG was paid based on his talent. And was pretty healthy this year. And had a good year. Still not his old self, but still good.

We can pick and choose over the Pels roster, but the other teams had just as many if not more question marks on lesser talented players.

You are debating with me vs teams that started Jameer Nelson, Patrick Beverly, Tony Allen, Tayshaun Prince, and Chandler Parsons.

What are we talking about here? Seriously.

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>You are debating with me vs teams that started Jameer Nelson,
>Patrick Beverly, Tony Allen, Tayshaun Prince, and Chandler
>Parsons.
>
>What are we talking about here? Seriously.

It's not about the whole NBA 2 K view point u r bringing to the table, my dude....it's about what those players mean to their teams...

Beverly was HUGE for the Rockets because he allowed Harden to be Harden and covered up for his defensive mistakes on the perimeter....Tony Allen? First team defender....Works well with HIS team...

Chandler? Well, he had a good season didn't he and was part of one of the best offenses in the league until Dallas made that trade, right?

I think the Pels will be better if they keep the injuries at a low clip and Tyreke is inspired AGAIN to show and prove...

I think u will be happy with Gentry if the Pels can get a healthy team out there...

But that's a big IF...

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And how they fit on the court is the coach's job, until they revamp the roster.

The Cavs put together talent for their team. Blatt had the responsibility for making it work.

What Beverly does for his team is irrelevant when gauging talent. Holiday is a lot better than him.

Parsons struggled for a good part of the season. He's not better than Tyreke Evans.

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63. "RE: No Gentry is mediocre. And his head coaching career shows as much."
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>Alvin Gentry being a mediocre coach....
>Is a Different Issue from...
>Should black mediocre coaches get hired as often as white
>ones?
>
>Yes all mediocre coaches should be hired and fired at the same
>rate.
>
>But teams should strive for not hiring mediocre coaches.
>
>Its that simple.
>
>Some of y'all cats put on your fancy kufis for the wrong
>party.




Nah Billy....I think u too invested in Ant Davis to give Gentry a chance....That's the biggest issue....I mean, I don't know about u...But coaches that take their teams to a Western Conference Finals (Suns), helped shape VERY young, ragtag team and joke of a franchise pre Blake/CP3 (Clippers), and was lauded for HIS offensive philosophy which he brought to Golden State is not usually branded as mediocre....Again, Black coaches don't get the benefit of the doubt...

Actually, let me chill. I trust the opinion of folks that have covered the NBA over a few heads who have their own agendas...This is what Gentry means to GS....And what he will bring to the Pels and the Brow....U should be happy....

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What Alvin Gentry means to the Golden State Warriors

By Nate Parham  @NateP_SBN on May 31, 2015, 2:01p

With Alvin Gentry headed to the New Orleans Pelicans as their new head coach, the Steve Kerr and the Warriors will have the challenge of replacing someone that brought far more than knowledge of basketball strategy to the organization.

Just a couple of weeks ago, Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News wrote a pair of articles about the dynamics of the Golden State Warriors' coaching staff, posting a transcript from an interview with head coach Steve Kerr shortly after Game 4 of the second round and then a second, more formal, article prior to the Western Conference Finals.

Both provided some interesting insight in terms of understanding Kerr's coaching vision in more concrete terms and how he constructed this staff. And with Alvin Gentry leaving to coach the New Orleans Pelicans after the Warriors finish the 2015 NBA Finals, that insight that Kawakami provided is even more useful in thinking about how Kerr might add to his staff this offseason.

We all know Gentry is the offensive coordinator and the Warriors offense has done alright for themselves this season, to put it mildly. But three more subtle things stood out about Gentry from those articles:

* Gentry and Kerr have built up enough of a rapport over the years to the point where the former is both a sounding board and calming presence.
* Gentry was willing to listen to Kerr's vision for the team and use his experience to help mold it into something that the team could bring about.
* Kerr, a rookie coach who has just led a team to the NBA Finals after a 67-15 regular season, has enormous faith in Gentry.

Gentry is not just an offensive mind who's good with x's and o's; he's someone with an outstanding ability to cultivate relationships — with both coaches and players — listen to others with less experience than him, and he is someone who others feel they can depend on.

And we also know that he's willing to get his sleep by any means necessary.

Aye @AlvinGentry guess what.... Sleep Nights pic.twitter.com/WEFkqH2TWW
— Draymond Green (@Money23Green) February 2, 2015

Those are the soft skills of coaching, particularly in the pros, that we rarely see and almost never talk about when considering candidates (unless they're clearly absent). And the photo war with Draymond Green, silly as it was, does tell us something about his ability to cultivate positive bonds with the players and staff without alienating others in the organization. That's certainly not all Gentry — this team had a pre-existing bond of sorts before he came — but given the authority he has been given with this team he deserves some of the credit.

Every team in any sport at all levels should want the kind of dynamic the Warriors have, one that find manages to balance joy and productivity. If Gentry can replicate any part of that dynamic in New Orleans — from the schemes to the team dynamics — while smoothing out any (miniscule) bumps that might have come about due to Kerr's inexperience, Anthony Davis & Co. could be a frightening team for years to come.


The beauty of Steve Kerr adding veteran coaches Ron Adams and Alvin Gentry to the Golden State Warriors' staff was not only that he was humble enough to acknowledge that he could benefit from the experience of others but also that he was secure enough to share the responsibility from people with the credentials to replace him if necessary.

Before Kerr even had a chance to run a practice, it was obvious that he was bringing an entirely different coaching disposition to the franchise, one that was either great in the context of an organization that has eagerly worked to integrate analytics into its daily operations or problematic for those that assumed the front office wanted a "yes man". Kerr clearly embraced this idea of collaborative leadership that owner Joe Lacob has obviously wanted and that meant bringing in the best and the brightest.

And the veteran people that Kerr brought in had to buy in to that way of thinking for this system to generate a top-seeded result.

Of course, the cost of seeking out the best talent to take first commander positions is the potential instability that comes when they earn the opportunity to captain their own ship. Perhaps the New Orleans Pelicans position isn't an offer that Alvin Gentry couldn't refuse but, as an offensive mind who is clearly willing to collaborate with people like Kerr in service of team success, coaching budding perennial MVP candidate Anthony Davis is about as good as it gets.

Yet it's worth noting that losing Gentry is not solely a problem of losing the person at the helm of what has become a beautiful offense — Kerr brought that same vision and he undoubtedly knows others out there in the coaching world who share the same philosophy. The real loss is the comfort level that Gentry has built up with both Kerr and the players, who have greeted new people at the Warriors' revolving door for top assistants for each of the last three years.

- - -

Without criticism — because how can you criticize these results, right? — it's kind of weird to realize that coaching staff stability has absolutely not been a feature of the Warriors ascent from mediocrity to championship favorite. And although this is a point that reasonable people can disagree on, that's actually a credit to the organization that Lacob has built: success is distributed among the group instead of dependent on a single individual.

The structure now in place might just guarantee a certain level of success.

As much as losing the man who oversaw the league's best offense for most of the season is significant, it's hard to be fearful about the resulting uncertainty — this organization has earned the benefit of the doubt in terms of being able to make the right personnel decisions to ensure its future growth. There's no reason to assume they won't hit the right notes and attract a top tier talent once again. Gentry will be hard to replace with his combination of history with Kerr, ability to build relationships, and basketball experience but he has imparted some of that to the remaining coaches and we have to respect the collective judgment of the system to find the right replacement at this point.

And that's as new for Warriors fans as being in the NBA Finals — we're used to being able to count on the organization making sub-optimal, if not the worst, choice from a set of options. Now we're seeing an organization that has consistently made the right decision and can be expected to do so again.














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52. "nah, I peep game on you two & since we got a podcast no more I'm gonna"
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take a bit of time at the end of a Monday in which I'm kicking ass and counting names over here at my office, put off the final loose ends I have to tie up and give y'all some of this work via the Get-A-Blog-Bomb post you both seem to begging me for in this thread.

Back to thy game which hast been peeped.....you and Shawn I notice seem to put more emphasis (read: blame) on a coach than said coach actually warrants if you're discussing a team that oh I don't know.....has a player or two you seem to support?

Shawn's spent three seasons (starting out with Lin still being on the team and we've seen the air come out of his career balloon badly since) campaigning for the firing of McHale when the reality is the Rockets basically maxed out in these playoffs while their superstar had moments of brilliance and bizarre bad-meaning-badness.

Even won a game and a series his team had no business winning, with said star sitting on the bench in the most pivotal quarter of that whole seven-game series.

You on the other hand, attempted to put the Mavs underachieving in the post-Rondo-trade segment of the season on Rick Carlisle (who likely will eventually be in the Hall of Fame) over your boy (who almost surely at this point will not) while he shot 38% from the free throw line, created a myriad of distractions, sulked while not dominating the basketball despite the fact that he had no ability to hit an outside shot or inclination to take it to the basket......then quit on that team in the midst of the playoffs in the most blatant display possible since Dennis Rodman was on the Spurs in his socks during a playoff game or when Scottie refused to get off the bench for the final play of a Knicks/Bulls Game 5 because Feel drew up a play for Kukoc, the best shooter on the team.

Now you'll gladly jump at the chance to sign on with Shawn's post here since it gives Brow a scapegoat moving forward into next season (his fourth) as he still lines up to be "the next best" in the game once Bron finally falls off but has yet to lead a team to a single playoff victory.

And the reality is that doesn't matter, because he probably ends up leaving anyway but Gentry will have to be a reason he sticks around if he does.

Shawn was probably also a teennager on the West Coast watching DMiles & QRich do head-tap moves, listening to Walton & Lawler, iconoclastically riding for the Clippers to be a relevant team with seemingly an embarrassment of young riches but like Minnesota over the past decade the Clippers fucked up some of those drafts and a lot of those young building blocks ended up just being blockhead disappointments as I outlined in terms neither of y'all can actually discount with real evidence.

So let's talk about Gentry, who again, isn't my guy but is still essentially the offensive coordinator of the best offensive team in basketball currently favored by a 3 to 1 margin to beat the greatest player of this generation's team in the upcoming Finals.

Alvin Gentry coached ZERO full seasons with the Detroit Pistons.

He was an interim coach tossed into a lost season because the Pistons decided to revolt against Doug Collins in the middle of the season.

His only season where he started and ended as Piston coach was the '98/99 strike year, they make the playoffs and Grant Hill plays in the only game of his pre-injury NBA career, a Game 5 of a best-of-five in which GHill goes 10-for-27 from the floor and Stack disappears, the Pistons are kept in the game only by a where-the-fuck-did-this-come-from best-career playoff game from Bison Dele....who would never play another NBA game, retiring at 30 then disappearing on a sailboat in the South Pacific a couple years later.

The Pistons come back that following season after Dele retired with a starting five that besides Stack/Hill includes Lindsay Hunter, Post-ATL-Achilles-Rupture-Laettner and Terry Mills.

Their bench is Jerome Williams and Michael Curry with a small does of Mikki Moore and John Crotty.

Gentry, who never officially was even taken off interim status and never got to coach them for a full NBA season, is the head coach.

They start off losing their first few games, Stackhouse was gunning like shit, Stack also punches Laettner on the team plane, the media is finally starting to turn on Grant Hill for not having won a playoff series while the Pistons are hovering around .500 after the All-Star Break.

They then decide to fire Gentry, still creep into the playoffs and get swept by Miami with whoever the interim coach replacing Gentry is coaching.

Grant Hill amidst all the criticism then ruins his career trying to tough it out on an ankle that leads to the ruination of his career but neither he nor the Orlando Magic knew that.

Gentry, taking the only job he can get, working for Donald Sterling with zero personnel input and Elgin Baylor entrenched in GM.

That Clipper team had won 15 games the season before Gentry got there but HELP IS ON THE WAY in the form of THREE FIRST ROUNDERS and TWO LOTTO PICKS!

Problem is, the 2000 NBA Draft is probably the worst draft of all-time save maybe the '86 Draft Len Bias OD'd celebrating joining.

They draft Darius Miles at 3 and Keyon Dooling at 10 and Quentin Richardson at 18.

With that big hall of scary-good young talent, they more-than-double their win total in Gentry's inaugural year going from 15 to 31.

The next year the young Clippers are starting to knock on the door it seems, heading into the final month of the season they are 37-36.

The Los Angeles Clippers are poised to finish over .500 for the first time in franchise history!!!

They might even make the playoffs!!!!

Nah, in Clipper fashion, they lose 7 out of their last 9 while the W total stays stuck on 39.

An eight-win gain from the year before but dissapointing in the face of a 16-W jump in Year One and the fact that they wilted in the final two weeks.

Somehow Gentry heads into the next season, after improving his team's record by a total of 24 games over the course of his first two seasons, in WIN-NOW-OR-ELSE mode because Elgin makes an offseason trade for Andre Miller and is now convinced he's got the makings of a young dynasty and if it doesn't work it must be the coach's fault even though he'd already been GM of this cheap franchise owned by a crazy cracker for 17 years with zero winning seasons.


Miller's halfcourt-style game developed under Rick Majerus and then allowed to stagnate putting up empty-counting-stats losing in Cleveland in the NBA, ends up becoming just the opposite of a match with the young/athetic/transition-driven Clippers of the year before.

Odom gets hurt before the start of the season, then spends the first half of it trying to come back in drips-and-drabs between puff-and-pass.

The team struggles and Gentry isn't even permitted to finish the year before getting fired despite having improved exponentially in the first two years of his time and missing (arguably) his team's best player while trying to work the quietly surly Miller into the fold?

So which of those years did he underachieve so far?

How many complete NBA seasons had he been given to start-and-finish as an NBA coach?

Two, Bomb, you say?

Well, maybe three Bomb, if you count the Pistons strike year.....OK.

And what were the results of those three seasons.....the Pistons best result of the Grant Hill era and two seasons with the young-and-dumb Clips with an average of 12 victory improvement over the prior season?

"Okay, then"(c)Pimp C

It must be the Phoenix job, which Gentry again gets as an interim coach.....where he really shows himself to be the sad sack you and Shawn want him to be.

That doesn't seem right though because I remember being shocked as shit when he made it to the Western Conference Finals led by Old Nash with Old Grant Hill as his second-best player in those playoffs.

But anyway, let's look and refresh our memories.....

Takes over there for the deposed Terry Porter in early 2009 because the Suns went from being seven-seconds-or-less to being unable to score or figure out how to use Shaq with the rest of the squad.

Hmmm, Amare goes down for the season two games after Gentry takes over.

Tough break but I guess finishing the end of the lost season without Amare at a 60% winning clip was okay.

Next season they lose Shaq for nothing in the offseason and win 54 games then surprisingly take the defending champion Lakers to the brink in the Western Conference Finals.

Series is even tied at 2-2 with the Suns dangerously close to stealing home court in Game 5 to set up going back to Phoenix (where the Lakers had lost to them in five or six straight playoff games) with a trip to the Finals on their racket.

But ah, it's the Lakers and as much as I hate to admit it give their star plus his cast some credit, they often did find a way to pull shit out of their ass when needed in their best Feel-coached seasons.

Phoenix makes a strong push and ties the game 101-101 with 3.5 seconds left off a Nash pull-up vs Gasol and a JRich three.

Staples is stunned.

Phoenix has all the momentum.

They've got 3.5 seconds with the ball, which it being the Lakers is undoubtedly gonna be Kobe tossing up some ridiculous bullshit.

Like clockwork, Kobe fights thru a screen to get back to inbounder then gets the ball with his back to the basket between the three-point line and the sideline, Grant Hill and Nash both with their hands up, turns around, throws up a horrific hero ball which does not reach the basket and seems to be about to land right in JRich's hands until Artest (who just fucked up with a quick shot 45 seconds earlier but wisely knowing there's no chance a foul is getting called going for this rebound) bully-bump/hip-checks his way into getting beyond him and into the ball's line of trajectory to catch it and toss it back in just as the buzzers sounding in a play so close it required referee replay to win the game.

It would be the first of eventually two times Artest (who was increasingly erratic by this point in his career) saves Kobe's bacon in this final chip run.

If he doesn't do it there, Phoenix very likely at least makes the Finals and possibly even beats the Celtics to win the 2010 title in Gentry's fourth full season of coaching.

So for those still with us, that's: Best GHill Pistons Result, 15 Games Better Clippers, 9 Games Better Clippers, 54-W Suns team (1st in Offensive Efficiency) losing a squeaker WCF Game 5 at the buzzer which could have prevented Kobe from getting five.

That offseason following Kerr leaves knowing the Suns just lost their last chance of the Nash era as Amare exits to the Knicks via free agency.

Richardson goes down for the season before the All-Star Break.

Nash and Grant Hill still carry them as best they can but they're 38 and 36 years old by this point.

The team finishes 40-42, the first time out of five tries that a Gentry-coached team regresses from one season to the next.

Dissapointing, sure.

No great disgrace though considering.

The next season is the strike-season, which does wonders for a team whose only two stars are almost 40.

They finish .500 and miss the playoffs.

Nash and Grant both go to L.A. in the offseason and without the Phoenix Suns training staff assistance don't play a full season of NBA games combined between the two of them ever again before retiring.

Gentry is fired 40 games into the 'rebuild' of the Suns that season, an amazing SIXTH time that Alvin Gentry either started a season as an interim coach at a season already begun or losing his job before the season was over (we left out a cup of coffee he had as Miami's coach in the mid-90s at the end of a year in the mid-90's before being bumped out of consideration by a Pat Riley fax).

So we have Alvin Gentry, a guy Shawn cyses as having THREE winning seasons in TWELVE years really having only got to coach SIX seasons start to finish (Only FOUR non-strike seasons as well as only FOUR without an interim tag, TWO after taking over a 15-win Clipper team, TWO after taking the Suns to a surprise WCF dogfight).

So the final tally for Alvin Gentry's seven full seasons (four as non-interim, zero with any personnel-power or other any other organizational hammer for him to wield) coaching in the NBA:

1) the Pistons to their best Hill finish
2) Improved the Clippers by 16 wins in his first year
3) the Clippers by 9 wins in his follow-up season
4) went to the Western Conference Finals which was lost on a Ron Artest hip-check-foul-rebound-replay-worthy-buzzer-beater to the back-to-back Champions
5) drops from 54 to 40 wins the following season after losing 2 of that team's 4 best players retained the oldest two of the four.
6) finishing .500 in Grant Hill/Steve Nash's final season in Phoenix as still the two best players on the team then watching both essentially never play any basketball of consequence again before each retiring.

Am I missing anything else?

Damn, upon further reflection, this was an even stronger case than I actually thought.

Don't underestimate Bomb or Alvin Gentry again, fellas.

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57. "Bomb I can't read a whole Bombland Oral History of Alvin Gentry..."
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1.) It's a stretch to say I blame coaches for team's failures. Your evidence is Rondo? That was perfect sense to me. You can't blame Rondo for Mavs sucking when you don't let him do what makes him special.
That simple.

Any other evidence you have of me blaming a coach?

2.) Alvin is mediocre. He doesn't move the dial either way. Brow doesn't need to have a pretty good season for the Clippers or the best Grant Hill team ever. I would prefer him to be with a guy who's made runs. Coached in big games. So it's not new to both of them. That's not Alvin.

3.) maybe Alvin will open up the offense for the Pelicans. That was one gripe I had with. Monty, so maybe it will work out.

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60. "RE: Bomb I can't read a whole Bombland Oral History of Alvin Gentry..."
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>1.) It's a stretch to say I blame coaches for team's
>failures. Your evidence is Rondo? That was perfect sense to
>me. You can't blame Rondo for Mavs sucking when you don't let
>him do what makes him special.
>That simple.
>
Nothing made Rondo special this year, that's the point, he didn't penetrate because he couldn't hit a free throw and he couldn't ever really hit an outside shot but especially this season.

Therefore he wasn't being held back, his game and attitude held them back which is why they were better before and after than during.

That's it.

>Any other evidence you have of me blaming a coach?
>
I'm stating why hopping on this beforehand is convenient.

There's probably more but I'd have to research,
I was just tying it into this post but this is why u only got lite mention early in this Bomb Simmons breakdown.

>2.) Alvin is mediocre.
I'm not saying he's elite but he's certainly better than mediocre.

Coaching success in the NBA is 90% about players and how much power u wield as a coach, which is usually dependent on how good the players were who helped get u the kind of success that helps u get that power (like Riles having Showtime and Fell having Jordan).

>He doesn't move the dial either way.
He moves it positively in every opportunity he's had.

That is what I just documented above.

>Brow doesn't need to have a pretty good season for the
>Clippers or the best Grant Hill team ever. I would prefer him
>to be with a guy who's made runs.
Like who?
>Coached in big games.
Like against the defending champion Lakers in the Western Conference Finals vs Feel Jackson.

So
>it's not new to both of them. That's not Alvin.
>
It is actually.

And it's not really helping your case that two rookie coaches are in the Finals.


>3.) maybe Alvin will open up the offense for the Pelicans.
>That was one gripe I had with. Monty, so maybe it will work
>out.

He's done it at each stop he's been running an offense so I don't see why not.

Ultimately he'll go where Brow takes him until he leaves, like every other candidate.

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71. "RE: Bomb I can't read a whole Bombland Oral History of Alvin Gentry..."
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>>1.) It's a stretch to say I blame coaches for team's
>>failures. Your evidence is Rondo? That was perfect sense to
>>me. You can't blame Rondo for Mavs sucking when you don't
>let
>>him do what makes him special.
>>That simple.
>>
>Nothing made Rondo special this year, that's the point, he
>didn't penetrate because he couldn't hit a free throw and he
>couldn't ever really hit an outside shot but especially this
>season.

That is arguable. He can still run a team, pass, and defend (when engaged).

>
>Therefore he wasn't being held back, his game and attitude
>held them back which is why they were better before and after
>than during.

Again, we do not know this, because they did not let him do what he is good at.

>That's it.
>
>>Any other evidence you have of me blaming a coach?
>>
>I'm stating why hopping on this beforehand is convenient.
>
>There's probably more but I'd have to research,
>I was just tying it into this post but this is why u only got
>lite mention early in this Bomb Simmons breakdown.
>
>>2.) Alvin is mediocre.
>I'm not saying he's elite but he's certainly better than
>mediocre.
>
>Coaching success in the NBA is 90% about players and how much
>power u wield as a coach, which is usually dependent on how
>good the players were who helped get u the kind of success
>that helps u get that power (like Riles having Showtime and
>Fell having Jordan).
>

That's not completely true. There are quite a few coaches who can coach teams beyond expectations and coach rosters up.

>>He doesn't move the dial either way.
>He moves it positively in every opportunity he's had.
>
>That is what I just documented above.
>

If he moves the dial enough, but is not competing for a title, I don't care.

>>Brow doesn't need to have a pretty good season for the
>>Clippers or the best Grant Hill team ever. I would prefer
>him
>>to be with a guy who's made runs.
>Like who?
>>Coached in big games.
>Like against the defending champion Lakers in the Western
>Conference Finals vs Feel Jackson.
>

So what am I supposed to do with that? That's 1 run in 12 years at 4 stops.

No, that doesn't excite me at all.


>So
>>it's not new to both of them. That's not Alvin.
>>
>It is actually.
>
>And it's not really helping your case that two rookie coaches
>are in the Finals.

That's why I am not pro mediocre retread.

Either get somebody who has a good resume with playoff runs or BRAND NEW. Tried and true or think out of the box.

They could've holla'd at Mark Jackson or Sam Cassell. I would've been cool either way. Mike Brown or Kevin Ollie. Shit, even Nate McMillan (who hasn't had deep runs but stayed in the playoffs for a stretch) or whoever is sitting next to Pop.

>>3.) maybe Alvin will open up the offense for the Pelicans.
>>That was one gripe I had with. Monty, so maybe it will work
>>out.
>
>He's done it at each stop he's been running an offense so I
>don't see why not.

But the defense also needs a lot of help. And I put more weight on defense than offense.

>Ultimately he'll go where Brow takes him until he leaves, like
>every other candidate.

Not completely the case, because he will be the head coach and he does have some say on how the team actually plays and executes which does directly translate to them winning games.

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73. "Whoa bud..."
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We've got similar goals here, so let's not get crazy. You'd be doing yourself a favor to read Bomb's Life & Times of AG piece. If for no other reason than to feel better about the hire. Gentry is legit, the context of his past jobs is really important.

>That's why I am not pro mediocre retread.
>
>Either get somebody who has a good resume with playoff runs or
>BRAND NEW. Tried and true or think out of the box.
>
>They could've holla'd at Mark Jackson or Sam Cassell. I
>would've been cool either way. Mike Brown or Kevin Ollie.
>Shit, even Nate McMillan (who hasn't had deep runs but stayed
>in the playoffs for a stretch) or whoever is sitting next to
>Pop.
>

Mark Jax, Mike Brown and Nate Mac? Wtf man! Ollie I like but he was pretty insistent on staying at UConn. But cmon, you can't spell mediocre retread without Nate McMillan. And I know you like him but Jax is literally insane, you wouldn't want him near AD (solid coach though). Gentry is a better choice than all these dudes.

>
>But the defense also needs a lot of help. And I put more
>weight on defense than offense.
>

They just hired Darren Erman aka "Mini Thibs" (c) Rondo. WE GOOD BRO.

  

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74. "RE: Whoa bud..."
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>We've got similar goals here, so let's not get crazy. You'd

>Mark Jax, Mike Brown and Nate Mac? Wtf man! Ollie I like but
>he was pretty insistent on staying at UConn. But cmon, you
>can't spell mediocre retread without Nate McMillan. And I know
>you like him but Jax is literally insane, you wouldn't want
>him near AD (solid coach though). Gentry is a better choice
>than all these dudes.


Mike Brown and Nate???????....Ollie, who has never had head coaching duties in the NBA yet? I'm done....lol....Billy's contempt for Al G. is quite hilarious....That's how much he wants The Brow to succeed....

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77. "Who said contempt? Lol...this agenda or obsession with me is crazy bro."
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Mike Brown took the Cavs to the Finals. Great defensive coach.

Nate, stayed in the playoffs. I'm more comfortable with him getting another shot.

Ollie was an example of a new coach with no experience.

Seriously, why are you so mad?

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79. "RE: Who said contempt? Lol...this agenda or obsession with me is crazy b..."
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I'm not obsessed homie....lol...We are having a debate...I know it feels like folks are piling on, but that's not the case...

I'm just not sure why Kevin Ollie, who never has been a head coach in the NBA, would have been a better signing than Gentry...And really, that's not that big of a deal...

But Mike Brown? Not saying dude is terrible....But yeah...I don't know about that one...

I see your vision on Mike Jax though....I wanted my Bulls to snatch him up instead of the Mayor....

And Nate? ....I'm just saying, dog....

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81. "Kevin Ollie would be new blood. A former player who.."
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was a positive in every locker room he's ever been in. And someone who can motivate players. That's it. Give him a shot.

If Mike Brown joined, I know their defense will improve drastically. Improved defense means they would be able to compete no matter how much they are scoring.

Mike installs the Princeton offense and the team buys in, the ball doesn't stick in Tyreke's hands.

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84. "RE: Kevin Ollie would be new blood. A former player who.."
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I feel ya...Don't agree, but I feel ya.....

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75. "Hey man, like I said. I want it to work. I'll give him a chance."
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I'm not against Alvin before he starts. But it's not a hire that gets me excited.

If they hired Skiles for example, I'd be mad.

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65. "RE: Bomb I can't read a whole Bombland Oral History of Alvin Gentry..."
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Here's the Cliff Notes version.....

"1) the Pistons to their best Hill finish
2) Improved the Clippers by 16 wins in his first year
3) the Clippers by 9 wins in his follow-up season
4) went to the Western Conference Finals which was lost on a Ron Artest hip-check-foul-rebound-replay-worthy-buzzer-beater to the back-to-back Champions
5) drops from 54 to 40 wins the following season after losing 2 of that team's 4 best players retained the oldest two of the four.
6) finishing .500 in Grant Hill/Steve Nash's final season in Phoenix as still the two best players on the team then watching both essentially never play any basketball of consequence again before each retiring...."


Context is important....

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42. "Related: Brian Shaw looking to replace Gentry as Dubs assistant coach"
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This would make some sense. He's an Oakland native. He was a candidate for the HC job before they gave it to Jackson. Why not?

The speculation for the move comes in the final graf of a Yahoo article about Gentry going to the Pels:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source--pelicans-expected-to-hire-warriors-assistant-alvin-gentry-000548161-nba.html

"Former Nuggets coach Brian Shaw is interested in replacing Gentry as the Warriors associate head coach, a source told Yahoo Sports. Shaw is an Oakland native who attended Warriors practice on Saturday. The Shaw family recently moved back to their Oakland Hills home."

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47. "Oh and this prediction right here, who wants to put money on it: "
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When Gentry does well, he'll be "part of Steve Kerr's
coaching tree."

Watch.

But if Anthony Davis gets hurt and/or those creaky bums
around him don't show up?

Gentry "doesn't develop talent."

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49. "Dunno what that has to do with Shaw... But I only half agree"
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>
>When Gentry does well, he'll be "part of Steve Kerr's
>coaching tree."
>
>Watch.

Nah, every single article about him getting the job talks about his history as a head coach. And he's already recognized for working with Doc and the Clippers as an assistant coach.

>But if Anthony Davis gets hurt and/or those creaky bums
>around him don't show up?
>
>Gentry "doesn't develop talent."

This part is true.

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56. "LOL @ off Kerr's coaching tree. Do you understand what that means?"
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never has the phrase been used so liberally as to apply it to a guy who worked under another guy for one year, and who also has considerable prior coaching experience (more than the guy he worked under).

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45. "Damn OE, this one is tailor made for you."
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You are showing some restraint in here.

Alvin Gentry is an Offensive genius. He was head coach of the 4th best offense in HISTORY (he was a better version of Pringles than Pringles himself...hmmm), and has been the OC for the #1 and #2 offenses the last 2 years. He has evolved with the game and is on the cusp of winning an NBA title in which his contributions will be among the most important to the cause.

Not only that, he is universally liked and respected in the NBA community. Like literally not a bad thing has been said about him as a man or as a leader from those within the game.


The way people are dismissing him is pretty sad. Zero context being given to his previous tenures (hint: his teams have mostly been ranging in talent from mediocre to utter shit). Coaching is as much about opportunity as anything else. This is BY FAR the best opportunity Gentry has had, and I expect it to be successful. The one time he had a roster this good he was an Artest miracle from going up 3-2 on the eventual champs in the Conf Finals. That 09-10 Suns coaching job was among the best in the last decade easily.


And guess what guys, Thibs is now a "retread." JVG is a "retread." Calipari is a "retread." Who isn't? Assistant coaches and unproven college guys. I like going with an experienced genius instead.

  

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46. "Even Malcom X prolly chilled and played spades from time to time"
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And not Little

X

He was prolly like "man, fuck all this, lemme throw
on jazz, smoke a bone, take some of these niggas
money"

I know I'm charged with illuminating the 85 all day
every day, but sometimes a nigga is tired

Plus I'm having a nice dinner with a woman later,
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54. "go eat a nice dinner, go get some dessert pussy too, got u covered @ #52"
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I didn't wanna really get involved, was pretty busy today.

Didn't even really think I was getting involved by mentioning that the Clippers sucked in the Sterling Era.

But the slick honkey-guilt/OE-lackey aspersions sorta forced me to reveal my hand and remind folks who I am.

So for the purposes of this post, you can consider me one of those blue-eyed brothas that Malcolm met at the start of his Hajj season on his pilgrimage to Mecca when he converted to Sunni Muslim in '64.

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62. "Wow, this post finally gave Kajun & I something to agree on re: his team"
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70. "Is this where we hug?"
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Oh wait, you took a shot at us about AD leaving in your otherwise outstanding Gentry essay. We were so close Bumb.

He's about one month from signing the biggest first time 5 year supermax we've seen under this CBA. You saying he's insane and this is not happening?

  

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58. "Can someone explain to me how Hoiberg is worth $11.25 million more..."
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... than Gentry? Gentry received $13.75 mill whereas Holberg gets $25 mill.

I don't get it at all.

What does Hoiberg have to do to justify his contract? I expect an average of 15 wins more per season than Thibs/Gentry and at least two finals appearances.

  

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59. "He's white, Bulls are dumb, and they fell in love with him months ago"
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61. "Bulls are trying to save face after the Thibs mess & Hoiberg is getting "
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that former player rate in a big market like Kerr, Fisher and Kidd got last summer.

>... than Gentry? Gentry received $13.75 mill whereas Holberg
>gets $25 mill.
>
>I don't get it at all.
>
>What does Hoiberg have to do to justify his contract? I expect
>an average of 15 wins more per season than Thibs/Gentry and at
>least two finals appearances.

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64. "RE: Bulls are trying to save face after the Thibs mess & Hoiberg is gett..."
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>that former player rate in a big market like Kerr, Fisher and
>Kidd got last summer.


Basically^^^^^

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85. "I'm not out on Alvin yet. Umm hmm. I'll wait 'til Reke comes back. Um hm..."
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86. "damn...already?"
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87. ""nigger chance"(c)James Harris"
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88. "3 losses against 2 of the NBA's best teams with half the squad gone"
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nothing to talk about yet, IMO.
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89. "too soon to panic"
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