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plz dont insult me like that.

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...I'm from the era when A.I. was the answer, now they think ai is the answer - Marlon Craft

Huge problem with double standards.

All I ask is for consistency.

But that's how this works-

When you ask for FAIRNESS you look like Marcus Garvey,
because that's how unfair shit is.

Same with the Barry Bonds narrative vs. the Mark Mcgwire
narrative.

Same with dozens of other situations in sports.

You can't remove sports from society. It's all embedded.



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>
>
>
>Huge problem with double standards.
>
>All I ask is for consistency.
>
>But that's how this works-
>
>When you ask for FAIRNESS you look like Marcus Garvey,
>because that's how unfair shit is.
>
>Same with the Barry Bonds narrative vs. the Mark Mcgwire
>narrative.
>
>Same with dozens of other situations in sports.
>
>You can't remove sports from society. It's all embedded.

Can't we do a myriad of things at once? I.e. - give Kerr credit while recognizing Brown's success as a coach?

or nah?

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>Can't we do a myriad of things at once? I.e. - give Kerr
>credit while recognizing Brown's success as a coach?
>
>or nah?

We HAVE NOT given Brown credit.

We HAVE NOT been fair.

That's what I'm saying

And UNTIL WE ARE I'm going to bring shit up and point
out how UNFAIR we are in judging these coaching
performances.

Dog, Monty Williams made the playoffs in the Western
conference with Anthony Davis and a broken down injury
plagued team and we are SHITTING ON HIM for being
better?!?! AND we're giving ALL the credit to Anthony
Davis?

Do we do that with other coaches?

Did Pop had to deal with that skepticism? Check his
credit prior to Duncan. Does ANYONE say ALL his success
is because of Duncan? Duncan manned the ship for MULTIPLE
ERAS of champion Spurs (the David Robinson Spurs, the Big
three Spurs and the Kawhi Spurs)

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When monty williams has a fist full of gold we can compare him to popovich

Till then chill lol

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

>When monty williams has a fist full of gold we can compare
>him to popovich
>
>Till then chill lol

Pop is one of the most successful coaches to ever live.

He also was dogshit before Tim Duncan. That's a fact. That
is not my opinion.

The idea that his success was more Duncan than Pop never
comes up. Ever. Never for a second. Not once.

And it almost never comes up for white coaches who coach
superstars. Ever.

Mike Brown coaches the Cavs to TWO 60 win seasons with
a team with Lebron and a bunch of bums?

All Lebron.

Or, as Concretecharlie says:

"Mike Brown gets credit for the defensive side of the ball."


NOT for being the HEAD COACH.


We see this kind of double standard all the time.


And it's racist.

It's not, because those are their respective fortes.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Nash didn't get the credit for D'Antoni's success.
In fact, the opposite happened: Nash transformed from
really good to superstar under D'Antoni, and everyone
said it as the "Genius" offense that did that.

(Strangely, Nash did get credit for Shawn Marion, who
was really good before Nash even got there, but that's
a different story)

Lebron has OPENLY SAID that Mike Brown developed him
into a well rounded player.

Nobody gives Brown credit for anything.

He won 66(!!!!!!) fucking games with those bums.

But it's aall Lebron. You just said it. Shells just said.

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the straw man strikes again. for those of us who actually watched and paid attention, he was getting a ton of credit for what they did at the defensive end and it maximizing a team that didn't have a lot of natural scoring.

that's what he deserved.

i won't even touch this tangential crap about d'antoni and pop. i mean, you're just try to muddy a simple, basic and true example. pringles is known as a good coach at one end of the floor. don nelson was another guy with a similar reputation.

what you're saying is even confusing. was it racist that he only got credit at one end of the floor (which happens with white coaches all the time) or that he got no respect at all? if he got none at all, which would you pick out a statement about him getting lots of credit in some areas and very little in others?

you are just trying to push mike brown's name out there. i cannot WAIT until his big head is back in a head coaching job, so we can extend his already well-defined history.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Sorry, you can't back out of this one.

and what has brown done done to dispel the very obvious fact that he is inept coaching offense, aside from lose in the playoffs with cleveland in said 66-win season, be terrible with cleveland on the second go-round and underachieve in L.A.?

again, some coaches are better on one side of the ball than the other. when you move past the fisher price stages of fandom, this will be a very easy concept to grasp.

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For D'Antoni...wow.

And congratulate Steve Kerr on his successful season, but it's insane to me that a lot of cats in the media summarily dismiss Mark Jackson's stamp on the team...HE got the culture to change in GS. It's like MJax ran with the ball to the 4 yd. line and Kerr got the TD

>For D'Antoni...wow.
>
>And congratulate Steve Kerr on his successful season, but it's
>insane to me that a lot of cats in the media summarily dismiss
>Mark Jackson's stamp on the team...HE got the culture to
>change in GS. It's like MJax ran with the ball to the 4 yd.
>line and Kerr got the TD


^^^^^^^^^^^^

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

it's more like jackson got them down to the 40-yard-line, only to get to fourth down and punt, and now kerr has them moving up the field with aplomb.

kerr had *less* size to work with and yet has been considerably more successful. i am sick of this narrative that they were a great team under jackson. if they were, the playoff results sure didn't show it.

credit to jackson for developing some of their players and giving some of their guys the right attitude. he did an adequate job. but it's funny i didnt see this type of defense of rick carlisle when larry brown took over the pistons, and he really did these things you guys are attributing to jackson. i wonder why no one cared, hmmmmmm.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

>it's more like jackson got them down to the 40-yard-line,
>only to get to fourth down and punt, and now kerr has them
>moving up the field with aplomb.


>kerr had *less* size to work with and yet has been
>considerably more successful. i am sick of this narrative that
>they were a great team under jackson. if they were, the
>playoff results sure didn't show it.
They lost in the 2nd round to the Spurs, and in the 1st round in 7 games to the Clippers. Exactly how much more do you want from those teams? Should they have beaten EITHER team, even with injuries to Bogut last year?

>credit to jackson for developing some of their players and
>giving some of their guys the right attitude. he did an
>adequate job. but it's funny i didnt see this type of defense
>of rick carlisle when larry brown took over the pistons, and
>he really did these things you guys are attributing to
>jackson. i wonder why no one cared, hmmmmmm.
Dude, 75% of the board said Carlisle got a raw deal. Most of us said that Larry Brown "GRUDENED" his title. A lot of us were saying that.

So 3 years in, Jackson was supposed to be in the WCF? I'm blown away that cats actually think he underachieved in Golden State.

this year they are the top seed.

you can cop pleas for bigs going down at the end of the year, well, they havent been there or they havent played much the entire season this year.

kerr has done much more with as much or less. he's also managed to not piss off his staff or his bosses. which are pluses, whether people want to admit it or not.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

...he certainly didn't do more with less. This is essentially the same team as last year, but with two additions: Livingston and Barbosa. They aren't difference makers, but they've helped the teams' depth, which was non-existent last year (the two of them>>>>Toney Douglas and Jordan Crawford). And both really started contributing the second half of the season. Along with Speights and Iggy, they're the bench players that we'll lean on during the play-offs.

Kerr's also had the benefit of a healthy Ezeli for the second half of the season. I don't think he played a minute last season, forcing us to rely on an inspired by 56 year old Jermaine O'Neal. Iggy's also been healthy all season. Bogut's played the same amount of games, but we're going into the play-offs with him healthy, a benefit we didn't have last year.

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LOL.

With their two best players a year closer to their
primes?

Oh, okay.

"Mark Jackson made this team then before but got treated unfairly" and "Kerr has done a great job and made this team better than before" are not mutually exclusive statements.

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> "Kerr has done a great job and made this team
>better than before"

But it's okay.

Do you.

I know what's good.

So they are not necessarily adversarial positions, instead they are just an opinion and a fact, respectively. One does not negate the other.

That said, Kerr's success validates that "unfair" treatment because in the end you make hires and fires to improve your team and this worked. Is your argument that the team was improving on a linear course and would have done this anyway? The results don't support that.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

If white racists are saying "Mark Jackson didn't have
the mental aptitude to run a basketball team" (as the
OWNERS of Golden State said, but Steph Curry ETHERED,
something you fucks ignored, of course), then it calls
into question every narrative after that.

NONE of you EVEN BOTHERED TO LISTEN TO STEPH CURRY when
he was PLEADING with the organization to keep Jackson,
and was praising Jackson DURING THIS SEASON.

So that you're so quick to point to "Kerr's elevated
understanding of the game" is funny style.

It's ALL getting the *people's eyebrow*

Until you guys have demonstrated that you can not be
racist, and can be fair about anything....I'm skeptical..

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And I say this as someone who thought and said it was a mistake for the Warriors to fire Jackson. But although Jackson did a big part in changing the culture, Kerr made more improvements and took this team to the next level.

Under Jackson, Barnes regressed and looked lost out there; under Kerr his development is back on track and he's become an important part of the team. Speights was a disappointment under Jackson; with Kerr, he's a sixth man of the year candidate. Some of that had to do with Speights improved conditioning, but some of it had to do with Kerr figuring out how to use him.

And I've made this point before, but it really is key: Under Jackson, the Warriors lost to good number of mediocre to bad teams at home. Seven games that they should have won against often fairly lousy teams, but lost instead. That might not seem like a lot, but winning even four of them is the difference between a #6 seed playing the Clippers in the first round and a #4 seed and playing the Rockets with home court. And losing that many games to bad teams at home is on the coach. With Kerr, the Dubs only lost two games the entire season at home. He did his part to keep everyone frosty and ready for damn near every game.

So yeah, Kerr wasn't just catching Jackson alley-oop here. He did a big part in taking the Dubs to the next level. Jackson did a very good job in the regular season 2013-14, but Kerr did a better job in the regular season of 2014-15.

Of course, this is all prelude to the play-offs, and if they team lays an egg and goes out before the conference finals, I'll fry Kerr appropriately. But for the regular season, Kerr did his absolute damn thing. Anyone who says otherwise didn't watch Warriors games this season and last season.

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>And I say this as someone who thought and said it was a
>mistake for the Warriors to fire Jackson. But although Jackson
>did a big part in changing the culture, Kerr made more
>improvements and took this team to the next level.
I'm not against Kerr at all...he's done a great job. But IMO, it's easier to take a good team and make them GREAT than to take a bad team and turn them around completely.

>Under Jackson, Barnes regressed and looked lost out there;
>under Kerr his development is back on track and he's become an
>important part of the team. Speights was a disappointment
>under Jackson; with Kerr, he's a sixth man of the year
>candidate. Some of that had to do with Speights improved
>conditioning, but some of it had to do with Kerr figuring out
>how to use him.
I can't disagree with that...however I think Jackson leaned on David Lee a lot more, and Lee was productive. He's been banged up this year so one could argue because of that, Barnes and Speights stepped up.

>And I've made this point before, but it really is key: Under
>Jackson, the Warriors lost to good number of mediocre to bad
>teams at home. Seven games that they should have won against
>often fairly lousy teams, but lost instead. That might not
>seem like a lot, but winning even four of them is the
>difference between a #6 seed playing the Clippers in the first
>round and a #4 seed and playing the Rockets with home court.
>And losing that many games to bad teams at home is on the
>coach. With Kerr, the Dubs only lost two games the entire
>season at home. He did his part to keep everyone frosty and
>ready for damn near every game.
Fair enough

>So yeah, Kerr wasn't just catching Jackson alley-oop here. He
>did a big part in taking the Dubs to the next level. Jackson
>did a very good job in the regular season 2013-14, but Kerr
>did a better job in the regular season of 2014-15.
Fine...but the foundation was already set by Jackson. Every year the Warriors got better, and after a 50 win season Jackson gets fired. Nobody knows how well they would've done with Jackson this year (maybe they win as many games, maybe not), but Jax took a 23 win team and turned them into this. Kerr's taken them to the next level, but Jax never got the chance to do that.

>Of course, this is all prelude to the play-offs, and if they
>team lays an egg and goes out before the conference finals,
>I'll fry Kerr appropriately. But for the regular season, Kerr
>did his absolute damn thing. Anyone who says otherwise didn't
>watch Warriors games this season and last season.
Fair enough...but if people are frying Jax for ONLY the 2nd round, Kerr should get absolutely ROASTED

>I'm not against Kerr at all...he's done a great job. But IMO,
>it's easier to take a good team and make them GREAT than to
>take a bad team and turn them around completely.

Fair enough, but again, Kerr took a 51 win team and turned them into a 67-win team, of which there are a total of 10 in NBA history. And he did it with essentially the same roster. That's pretty damn impressive.

>I can't disagree with that...however I think Jackson leaned on
>David Lee a lot more, and Lee was productive. He's been banged
>up this year so one could argue because of that, Barnes and
>Speights stepped up.

Speights certainly stepped up into the role that Lee filled. And he played defense (something he almost did last year). Barnes also began starting again over Iggy, which helped his development quite a bit. And Kerr's decision to start Green at essentially the PF spot was also huge in the team's growth.

>Fine...but the foundation was already set by Jackson. Every
>year the Warriors got better, and after a 50 win season
>Jackson gets fired. Nobody knows how well they would've done
>with Jackson this year (maybe they win as many games, maybe
>not), but Jax took a 23 win team and turned them into this.
>Kerr's taken them to the next level, but Jax never got the
>chance to do that.

Eh, as has discussed, Jackson's exit was in the works long before the play-offs ever started. His inability to get along with his bosses meant he wasn't going to get a chance. Things with the front office and the coaches were a dysfunctional mess last, and it was the biggest part of costing Jackson his job. And the fanbase wasn't happy with the decision at the time, but things have turned out for the best for the team.


>Fair enough...but if people are frying Jax for ONLY the 2nd
>round, Kerr should get absolutely ROASTED

Again, there was ever a prevailing notion locally at all that Jackson underachieved at all. His time here was well-regarded by vast majority of people. Everyone acknowledged that Bogut's injury probably prevented us from advancing past the first round. It was the ownership and front office that wasn't happy; if Jackson had gotten along with Lacob and the rest, he would have coached this year, flaws and all.

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>Pop is one of the most successful coaches to ever live.
>
>He also was dogshit before Tim Duncan. That's a fact. That
>is not my opinion.
>

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He said he would have built a dynasty in the NBA
had the table tennis balls gone differently in that
1997 draft.

Rick Pitino ALREADY SHOWED that he could coach in the
NBA. Did a more than adequate job with the Knicks in the
80s.

So why was he a bum ass coach with the Celtics on his
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He didn't get Tim Duncan.


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and generally lost coaching pros. he can say whatever he wants, popovich is a much better coach than rick pitino.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

That's how you know the Orbster runs this shit

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AND

Chauncey Billups & Ron Mercer.

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LMAOOOO

I mean, DAMN, just disagree with the point I'm making

Hell, me and you disagree about Monty Williams,
but you ain't said anything insane

But the ANGER that I cause in these niggas bro

"Fuck Pitino, he can't coach"

"Duncan not really that good, Pop woulda had 5
chips with Ron Mercer"

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Like Pop was beating down the door before Duncanc.

I mean he's great and all. But the players matter. And Duncan mattered the most out of anyone in the past 20 years.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

>Like Pop was beating down the door before Duncanc.

So theres actually no way of knowing one way or another.

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CLAREMONT STAND UP!!!

Nah but really you bullshittin. You and OE tryna make it sound like there is some failure to compare to. I mean, an equally true statement is that Duncan has never done shit without Pop. Equally true and equally meaningless.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

I mean, an equally
>true statement is that Duncan has never done shit without Pop.
>Equally true and equally meaningless.

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Duncan was actually winless before Pop.

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But it was all pop, so cool

saying pitino is not as good of a coach on the pro level as popovich is not an opinion, it's a fact. he did try things that just didnt work on the pro level. if an NFL coach tried to run the option, you'd laugh at him, right?

no one said pitino cannot coach and certainly no one said anything that could be construed as diminishing duncan's ability.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

The second Bron came back we saw Kyrie begin his journey to greatness.

OE is consistent and that's nothing any of us can take away from him.

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you can't understand it with an explanation

tom...4

k...5

floyd...and-0

y'all...mad

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

And every time you do it you act like a pro wrestler pleading his innocence after choking a guy on the ropes

I oscillate between disgust and actually enjoying it

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

on one hand i think he is a first-ballot FOH'er who has backed his way into springfield, but on the other i cant just openly lie about the reasons that led me to that conclusion.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

I've been far more critical of Wade than Bosh - mainly because Wade has been relatively immune from criticism throughout the 'big 3' miami tenure - and inexplicably so.

Bosh is a fine player - but when he and Wade were healthy this year for 44 games together, they under-achieved and were playing average basketball.

Next year there will be absolutely no excuse for this team with Bosh, Wade, Dragic, Whiteside, Deng, McRoberts etc.. all (hopefully) healthy. This year was a disaster any way you look at it for Miami.

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>I've been far more critical of Wade than Bosh - mainly
>because Wade has been relatively immune from criticism
>throughout the 'big 3' miami tenure - and inexplicably so.
>
>Bosh is a fine player - but when he and Wade were healthy this
>year for 44 games together, they under-achieved and were
>playing average basketball.

Let's leave this agenda in the ground, Vex....

I think it hurt Miami even more that the franchise player that they lost in Bron was also their PG beyond playing the SF spot....In a league that is PG dominant having a team that depended on Mario Chalmers to be a starter and a player with a cranky, troublesome knee matters....

Next season is when Miami will be judged accordingly (if they keep Dragic...)....If they struggle with a full line-up and a real PG then your Bron agenda will not be in vain....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

Anthony Davis missed a similar amount of games this season and his team made the playoffs......in the West.....with 45 wins...... No reason for Dwade to not have made 39 wins in the East.....He underachieved like shit....

Wade already had a ring before Bron got there. As much as I hate Miami he's not the one to shit about (besides being a dirty player on the low...)....Hell, that dude's knees are a year away from being totally shot...And I'm going to go out on a limb and say a young Anthony Davis missing games doesn't compare to old ass Wade missing games. If the Heat are depending on Wade to be THE MAN again then that's an L waiting to happen....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

62 games is enough for him to get 39 wins with a decently talented squad and he didn't do it. If you gonna give him credit for his ring before Bron, he should eat this too.

Today he is a high-mileage player better suited for a #2/#3 role. Then he was the Finals MVP. Personally I still think Shaq was their most important player that year, but a prime Wade carried the mail in a major way, especially when it mattered most. Let's not forget they went to the conference finals the year before, too, and it was mostly injuries that hurt their chances of going further.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

when Wade was in his prime?

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>62 games is enough for him to get 39 wins with a decently
>talented squad and he didn't do it. If you gonna give him
>credit for his ring before Bron, he should eat this too.


I don't blame aging SG's that have to take night offs because their knees would explode....

I don't think it's getting through your head...Wade is OLD...What he does in 2016 and on is just gravy...I get that you are pressed to blame him for Miami's inability to make the playoffs...

But think of it this way. Why do you think Bron left Miami in the first place beyond the backstage bickering with management and Riles? James saw the hand writing on the wall. Father Time is winning the battle against Wade....And that's nothing to apologize about when u have already led your own championship team. Shit happens...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>I don't blame aging SG's that have to take night offs because
>their knees would explode...
>
>I don't think it's getting through your head...Wade is
>OLD...
What you don't seem to get is even if he isn't a first option, he is capable enough to score 20ppg in 30 minutes. That old crap don't all the way cut it man. Not in the East where 39 wins could have gotten his team in. Hell Derrick Rose be getting critcized for his passion for the game. All I am saying is he should not get any excuses when his team fails to make the mark. His health isn't the best but he has some help. He is a superstar player that gets no criticism for underachieving. Hold his ass up to that standard too is all I'm saying.

>
>Wade already had a ring before Bron got there.

that's already been acknowledged - but that was a decade ago. Wade has been coasting off that reputation for so long and it's a tad ridiculous how everyone excuses his shortcomings since then while piling on other stars.

If the Heat are
>depending on Wade to be THE MAN again then that's an L waiting
>to happen....

Well, that we can agree on.


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>>
>>Wade already had a ring before Bron got there.
>
>that's already been acknowledged - but that was a decade ago.
>Wade has been coasting off that reputation for so long and
>it's a tad ridiculous how everyone excuses his shortcomings
>since then while piling on other stars.
>
> If the Heat are
>>depending on Wade to be THE MAN again then that's an L
>waiting
>>to happen....
>
>Well, that we can agree on.


This is what I'm going to say....I hated the Heat. And I hate that team's fake ass fans.

But even with all this^^^I'm not obsessed with agenda fever so much as to try to make one of the best SG's over the last 10 years to be some lucky player who got saved by LeBron James...

The truth is Bron and Wade found mutual benefit by their pairing...Wade helped kill Bron's U CAN'T WIN THE BIG ONE storyline and Bron extended Wade's career...

Wade wasn't on the sideline waving his towel in the air on some M.L. Carr shit. Dude contributed to those two rings....And Bron grew to be the leader of that team and took over, proving to everyone that he was the greatest player of his generation...

Over the last two years injuries have caught up to Wade. It's that simple....

Listen...I get it. The Bron Stans are overcompensating for the the shit they have had to take for years about how Bron couldn't win in Cleveland so he got saved by Bosh and Wade.

But here's the rub....That line of thinking is just as silly and agenda driven as someone claiming that a broken down Wade has gotten a pass for his play....

I know it's hard for you to take. But when you already have a ring you pretty much get the benefit of the doubt. That's why you didn't see too many people coming after Wade after Shaq left. And that's why all the pressure was on Bron and Bosh to win...Not Wade...

Now that Bron is a champion he doesn't even have to win 3 rings. Only 1....That's what winning does for your legacy. It takes the pressure off...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>Now that Bron is a champion he doesn't even have to win 3
>rings. Only 1....That's what winning does for your legacy. It
>takes the pressure off...

Incorrect. Had Bron only won a single ring (and lost that S.A. series) - the narrative would be far different and the singular ring would not be regarded very highly at all. Further, if Bron doesn't win any more rings in Cleveland the criticism will be abundant and seething -- while Wade kicks back in Miami enjoying the fruits of Kang's labor.

That's just the way it is when you're an all-time top 3 player ever to play the game - so I'm not complaining about it - again - we're just stating facts.

Just like we stated the fact that Miami grossly underachieved and embarrassingly went home, destroyed by the likes of Boston, Indiana, Brooklyn, and Milwaukee. Just facts.


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>
>>Now that Bron is a champion he doesn't even have to win 3
>>rings. Only 1....That's what winning does for your legacy.
>It
>>takes the pressure off...
>
>Incorrect. Had Bron only won a single ring (and lost that
>S.A. series) - the narrative would be far different and the
>singular ring would not be regarded very highly at all.
>Further, if Bron doesn't win any more rings in Cleveland the
>criticism will be abundant and seething -- while Wade kicks
>back in Miami enjoying the fruits of Kang's labor.


Bron needed to win a ring AND be the Alpha Male....That's what happened with that second ring...And I think u need glasses Vex...I said Bron ONLY has to win ONE ring with Cleveland and he's good. But u best believe those two rings are helping. His legacy is in GREAT shape...


>That's just the way it is when you're an all-time top 3 player
>ever to play the game - so I'm not complaining about it -
>again - we're just stating facts.

Nah...u over compensating....Bron doesn't need that kind of help at this point...Maybe he did three years ago...But not in 2015...

>Just like we stated the fact that Miami grossly underachieved
>and embarrassingly went home, destroyed by the likes of
>Boston, Indiana, Brooklyn, and Milwaukee. Just facts.


By the likes? Wasn't that the same Boston with Paul P., Garnett and Rondo that won a championship that same year? Indy was a good team as well....Milwaukee? Not so much...

I just think u are pressed, homie....Wade old, broken down and will retire a Heat...He also is responsible for leading that team to their first championship and went through the playoffs like a wrecking ball...When healthy he was GREAT...

But...Wade ain't in Bron's class legacy wise. Heavy is the head that wears the crown....U can cry about it and say it's not fair. But it's the same reason nobody is shitting on Dirk because he only got one ring yet were whispering that Bron had to win several rings to prove his greatness....

That's life, homie...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

Bosh generates pop at least.

>I've been far more critical of Wade than Bosh - mainly
>because Wade has been relatively immune from criticism
>throughout the 'big 3' miami tenure - and inexplicably so.

Murph said it best, he won a ring and a Finals MVP 4 years before Bron even got there. And ive never liked him at all, but i dont think that was ever *not* his locker room. He had already led an expedition to the mountain-top. Same reason no one talks about Sidney Crosby doing jack shit for 5 years. His name is already on the Cup.

Your deployment of this agenda also gives off a faint implication that Bron would still have at least one ring without Bosh. I thought it would have been Love, but since he hasnt adapted as well to playing with ball dominant players, Bosh is still the best teammate Bron has ever had. By a considerable margin. If they hadnt been together they would still have the same amount of rings...zero.

>Boshis a fine player but when he and Wade were healthy this
>year for 44 games together, they under-achieved and were
>playing average basketball.
>Next year there will be absolutely no excuse for this team
>with Bosh, Wade, Dragic, Whiteside, Deng, McRoberts etc.. all
>(hopefully) healthy. This year was a disaster any way you
>look at it for Miami.

I mean any year where the best players arent on the floor together is a disaster for any team. If Bosh and Dragic play 70 games together, there is no way this team is in the lottery.

Even if Whiteside was just lightning in a bottle and Wade's body keeps him less than 30 mpg, having those 2 together for a full season will make a world of difference.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

I can't see Paul George anymore without thinking of that shit, LOL

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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Has pretty much been on the money with his "black coach" agenda....While at times he has done too much trying to include coaches that have little to do with his ride-or-die mission (His attempts at jumping Coach Thibs was silly and universally panned on this here board) he has hit it out of the park on the Mike Brown, Doc, Mark Jax, Monty Williams front...

It's laughable to see usually sane, intelligent people here to come up with a myriad of excuses as to why the coaches O_E champions have been shitted on....

The Steve Kerr-Mark Jackson debates have especially been telling. As if Kerr didn't walk into the perfect situation and a team that already had a defensive identity....There's nothing remotely strawman about that debate....

Not only has O_E's black coach agenda been entertaining, it's been dead on for the most part....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

Do you see anyone unilaterally panning black coaches? I don't. There are plenty of people who like Rivers and Jackson but not Brown or whatever other combination.

So who is coming from a bigoted perspective or, at a minimum, lacking nuance on the issue here?

I think there are still some obstacles for black coaches but they are becoming so commonplace that that is fading at a steady pace. To hear him tell it, guys like Brown and Jackson are beyond reproach, which no one coach is, and certainly not those guys.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

>Do you see anyone unilaterally panning black coaches? I
>don't. There are plenty of people who like Rivers and Jackson
>but not Brown or whatever other combination.

O_E comments have been more about the short leash and fuzzy bullshit that winning black coaches have gotten by the media. His comments seem more about the media and heads on this board throwing rose petals at the feet at Kerr as if he just found a cure for cancer...His comments are more about the way M. Brown was made out to be a horrible coach on this very site just because he couldn't control a shit show in LA...But....If u notice, O_E's OKS beef is with PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD NOT CALLING OUT THIS BULLSHIT ENOUGH....Not OKS being racist...

Black coaches in the NBA are doing just fine. But every once in a while u see the code words break through...U see GS's owner making some pretty questionable comments about Mark Jackson's basketball IQ...U see Lionel Hollins getting shade thrown his way because of his old school ways and the fact that he is not an analytics guys, but the same guy got his team further than all the other Memphis coaches...

It's not some ham-fisted racism thing happening here. It's the pissing on one's head and telling them that it's raining...

As a black man I see that shit as clear as day...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

...And yet WHITE PEOPLE and UNCLE TOMS said he didn't win
because of his LACK OF BASKETBALL IQ


SAY he's a bad coach.

SAY he's an ASSHOLE

SAY he's a wack asss fake preacher (I'LL AGREE WITH YOU!!)

SAY Kerr is better.

I'm OKAY with that.

But to point to his LACK of ball IQ!?!?!

There aren't 20 players in league history who
used their UNDERSTANDING of the game to succeed
more than Mark Jackson has...he is chubby and slow.
He had a GREAT understanding of spacing, and timing
It's EXACTLY how he's succeeded.

Steph Curry SAID THIS TO US and we IGNORED IT. HE
TOLD US that Jackson taught him the nuances to the
guard position, make him well-rounded

Curry TOLD US that Jackson preached toughness, was
one of Draymon's biggest advocates

We STILL allowed that "Mark Jackson doesn't understand
the game" shit to fly

It's fucking RACISM

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Kerr walked into a 50-win very good team and turned them into a 67-win historic team - with the biggest increase in wins of a 50-win team in NBA history (16-game improvement).

So - while people here like to think that Jax brought the team to the goal line and set up the dinner table for Kerr to simply waltz into the end-zone - Kerr did *far* more than that. He took a competitive team and turned them into the best team in the league - and he deserves credit, period.


>
As if Kerr didn't walk into the perfect situation and
>a team that already had a defensive identity

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Why do we bring up his "understanding of the game"
relative to Kerr?

That doesn't have to be the narrative at all.

We could also simply listen to Steph Curry, who praises
Jackson to this day. We don't listen, because it doesn't
fit the narrative we have in our heads.


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

I agree w/ you on this - the only place where we disagree is in your unwillingness to give Kerr credit. Both guys deserve credit - but if anyone deserves to be called out it's Mark Jax. Why? For his regressive homophobia. As intelligent of a basketball mind that he is (and he *is* high IQ, great coach, basketball genius) - that was very dumb, close-minded, and bigoted of him.

G.S. execs called him out because they were upset about how Jax moralized and offended one of their own's sexual orientation - and they had every right to do that.

Why are we not talking about that as if that's not the *only* reason why Jax isn't head coach of G.S.?

This particular instance actually isn't about race - it's about Mark Jax being a bigot.

Now - regarding your larger agenda - I agree w/ it re: rooting out the racist perspectives we have towards assessing black coaches.

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...I would have no agenda.

Nobody hates the fake preacher type more than O_E.
And that homophobia? Unacceptable, and as an African American,
him and his kind embarrass me, quite frankly.

So I'll all in on on hating the fake preacher.

But if his views are the issue, then we should just say it.

problem is, the Warriors' owner said TWO THINGS, both of
which are false:

1) That nobody liked Mark Jackson (Steph Curry openly
and directly refuted that, taking shots at the owner
in the process)

2) That Jackson lacked an understanding of Xs and Os.

Both are false.

If we were talking about the right issue, I'd have zero
problem here.



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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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who been down since the Ehlo era, when he was a hardcore Heat fan (since 2011! diehard!) all of 9 months ago and spent the last several years shitting on the Cavs, the city of Cleveland, and its fans.

Oh and to top it off, he was also a Bulls fan in the 90's when Jordan was tormenting Cleveland knocking them out of the playoffs back to back seasons.

THE LAND! Diehard Cavs fan!

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Mar-A-Lago delenda est

I'm as diehard & loyal of a fan as there is. The definition of a loyal fan is somebody who sticks w/ their team/athlete - no matter what. I've done that as bandwagon fans went from burning jerseys and cursing the name of Kang to now embracing him as their savior.

It pleases me that you're mad though, white boy.


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seems to be the only thing that you're consistent with.

>I'm as diehard & loyal of a fan as there is. The definition
>of a loyal fan is somebody who sticks w/ their team/athlete -
>no matter what.

you criticized fans who stick with their team no matter what as "owner stans", so now you're flip-flopping on the definition of a loyal fan too.


> I've done that as bandwagon fans went from
>burning jerseys and cursing the name of Kang to now embracing
>him as their savior.

they stuck with their team, so by your definition above they are loyal fans. meanwhile you went from cursing the Cavs and badmouthing the city of Cleveland to claiming "The Land" and becoming a Cavs fan.


>It pleases me that you're mad though, white boy.

That's racist.