Congrats to Ryan! Long time coming and definitely earned.

2006 - Shawn (The Originators Title)
2007 - A_B (The Dark Clouds Title)
2008 - Theo (The GOAT Emergence Title)
2009 - TJT (The Rookie Title)
2010 - Ernie (The Stake My Claim Title)
2011 - A_B (The First Second Title)
2012 - Ernie (The Two Titles Club Title)
2013 - Frank (The Most Dominant Title)
2014 - Robe (The Cloaked in Robe Title)
2015 - RYAN (The Long Time Coming Title)

Congrats to Boogs as well on successfully making it to the Finals 4 times.

All payouts will occur today if you haven't received it yet:
-Ryan = $560 ($60 Walton title, $500 Champ winnings)
-Boogs = $280 ($60 Jet title, $220 Runner up)
-Ernie = $60 (Round Mound title, sent to Ceej on your behalf)
-Basa = $60 (Elevator title, I sent it to you fam, you can hold it for next year)

All proposals for next year should be presented in this post for voting.

On the Docket:
1-Payouts: Should we still do division winners or an alternative? Best records in division? Highest Averages?
2-GM replacement:

Definitely returning:
Commish
Deputy Commish
Shawn
Theo
Ryan
Ernie
Ceej
Basa
LABeat
Boogs
TJT
Frank
RBO

Iffy:
Magilla?
Robe?

Retiring:
Matty

Possible replacements:
josephmurf2384 said he'd be interested based off his Fanduel experience
Suggestions?

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I'm still in smh/wtf happened/what if mode. Dont know that I would have beat Ryan, though Russy did go HAM a couple times, but I at least shoulda been there. That Lakers/Ed Davis shit was more annoying that anything I've dealt with in fantasy. Ultimately, Kawhi over Wade coulda made it all moot though, so it's my L.

On to next year. If we cant change the format, namely the early locking of the full lineups, which I dont believe we can, we have to adjust payouts. So much goes into the first 62 with so little to show for it. And the tenth best team can "win" a division, so fuck that. I'd put the full 240 towards regular season champ, be it wins or points. My vote would be points.

Ending the season a few games earlier would be awesome too, but I know thats out of our control.

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>On to next year. If we cant change the format, namely the
>early locking of the full lineups, which I dont believe we
>can, we have to adjust payouts. So much goes into the first 62
>with so little to show for it. And the tenth best team can
>"win" a division, so fuck that. I'd put the full 240 towards
>regular season champ, be it wins or points. My vote would be
>points.

^^^The 10th best team doesn't mean it STARTED as the 10th best team. Ryan's squad was ranked #1 preseason and dipped then came back around and won. He was ranked like 7th or 8th. I actually think it takes MORE skill to recover from stumbling than to just ride out a good draft and minimal injuries. And it's not like the Walton was EASY to win. Me and LABeat had some injuries and Theo had a 'eh'/bad draft but between us there's 3 titles and 5 final trips...Ryan beat us all.

I think the division realignment circumvents this as it prevents someone from having to play with cupcakes year after year. I mean last season, we even decided division make up by winning % over the last 3 years. I personally think if you win a division, you've earned that $.

>Ending the season a few games earlier would be awesome too,
>but I know thats out of our control.

This would be ideal for the playoffs but it still wouldn't necessarily address division winners.

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I'm talking about DIVISION winners, who all get $60 regardless of their overall standing in the league. Here's our overall finish.

1) Me (won division)
2) TJ
3) Bags (won division)
4) Shawn
5) RBO
6) Cenario
7) Boogs (won division)
8) Ryan (won division)
9) Ceej

etc. etc

So, the 7th and 8th best teams, barely better than Ceej at 9 get rewarded because.....I dont know, I just dont feel like its an accomplishment worth rewarding, especially when there's 4 of em, and moreso with the playoff crapshoot we have. Let's just balance rewarding the first 62 to the actual top teams, as well as the best playoff teams the way we currently do.

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If we do what you're suggesting, we could just eliminate divisions and conferences. Top 12 make the 'offs based on record and top 4 records get the $60 refund would be logical then (I missed the 'offs though my team was 10 games better than Matts, who tapped out 40% through the season).

And again, where the team finished isn't indicative of how good the team/GM is/was during the season. Ceej's team was top 4 in scoring at the start of the year but he lost his first EIGHT GAMES as he had the highest opponent avg in the league:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2391077&mesg_id=2391077&listing_type=search

If you add 6 wins to Ceej's record he's near the top of the league so going 0-8 off bad luck isn't HIS fault. Sometimes sh*t happens. He might have won that division if not for the bad start and the injuries to his guards down the stretch. And you're saying Boogs doesn't deserve his $60 after beating out Frank and Robe for that division?

The logic around the compartmentalizing of our GM's is to create

1) Rivalries within divisions
2) Rivalries within conferences
3) Rivalries against conferences
4) A carrot to chase all year

^^^Keeps a lot of trash talking active and gives some tribal pride to play off of.

If we're all chasing the top 4 teams then theoretically, only 4 squads or so will have a shot at the halfway point. I mean, you can pretty much call it a day if you suffer a bad injury within the first month or so of the season. Currently, it depends on how far out your division leader is.

This feels like rewarding the lucky and not the diligent. The regular season should reward the diligent more than the lucky imo. The playoffs rewards the lucky AND diligent. You cruised to your division on a decent draft, minor tweaks and relative health...cool. That's not the norm though. The norm is managing injuries, being pressed over FA's and that breakthrough player, tweaking your lineup to squeeze the most out of hot streaks and minimizing cold ones. <--if THAT guy wins a division, he deserves it (and he likely won't have a top 4 record).

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Rewarding winners (monetarily) is not. The playoff berth and first round bye should be enough. But to get paid for beating out three other guys, often two or even one when the others mail it in or just arent good? Makes no sense.

I'd rather ALL the money go to the final two than reward a team barely over .500.

I do think regular season champ should be rewarded though, with the way our league/format is constructed.

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keep division for playoff seeding, take two of the division dollars and put one toward high average over the whole regular season and one to highest win total over the regular season. the other two get added to the playoff payoffs.

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Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario
It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious

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17x NBA Champions

Taking the division $ away and making it best record and avg BUT the draw back is potential diminished interest from divisions that don't look like 'favorites'.

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That can be HUGE come playoff time. Should be motivation enough.

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HI THEO! (sorry)

this year, favorites going into the season flopped.

in fact, had boogs not won his division, there's a decent chance (I didn't bother doing the numbers) he might have lost the first round. in both cases, they would have been the "visiting team" were it not for the divisional advantage--boogs woulda been the 4th or 5th seed, ryan the same.

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everyone is likely to disappear at the end without real incentive. (see reply 3)

and am in favor of canning Robe unless he's got a legit reason for his disappearance. I haven't seen him on the site in general tho.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

incentive to care...even if you teams out of it.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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Why tho?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

If you asked the league if they could find something fun to do that ties into one of their interests and it would cost them less than $15 a month, and there's a chance they'd make their investment back 10 fold, most of them would be interested.

But then you say, let's make the survivor fee $100 (for roughly 7 mos of entertainment and the opportunity to win upwards of $1000) and everyone is like 'ooooh nooo, my mortgage!'

lol

I understand things being tight for some of us at one time or another but it's a matter of valuation really.

The Survivor fee can be paid in installments, you just lose IR if you don't do it before the draft. With a $100 fee, I'd even open up the fee payment period to July-Oct but it's not valued that way.

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members to stay active and weed out those that ain't really into it.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

That way they can still fight to do better than the other losers when they are eliminated from playoff contention.

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But we had teams quitting in Feb when they were still in the playoff race. Everyone was eliminated close to the last week of the season for the most part. Matty made the playoffs but was ghost for a while

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

My issue is you can't control injury. Most everyone in this league actually cares, but when someone's season has gone to shit, I'm not inclined to force them to cling to a lost season under risk of monetary penalty.

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My movie reviews: https://letterboxd.com/RussellHFilm/
My beer TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thebeertravelguide

you're never REALLY out of it UNLESS...you stop caring.

2013-2014 season I lost 4 of my 5 starters for 20+ games and 2 to season ending injuries. I hustled, made the playoffs and made the conf finals. Probably the best GM job I've ever done too.

Because I cared.

There's always guys who have break out years none of us saw coming or someone punts too early on a rook/young guy/contract year dude/injured dude.

I dunno if a penalty is the way to go but there's no excuse for not caring until you're at LEAST eliminated from the playoffs.

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Congrats to Ryan, better come with this swag next year, You can be Ernie 2.0.


>Definitely returning:
>Commish
>Deputy Commish
>Shawn
>Theo
>Ryan
>Ernie
>Ceej
>Basa
>LABeat
>Boogs
>TJT
>Frank
>RBO
>
>Iffy:
>Magilla?
>Robe?
>
>Retiring:
>Matty
>
>Possible replacements:
>josephmurf2384 said he'd be interested based off his Fanduel
>experience
>Suggestions?

Damn i had some guys in mind but I can remember. I guess the priorities are 1) know basketball and are in hoops convos. 2) active on this board?

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"though time has passed, im still the future" (c) black thought

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Always good to have a returning vet (a la Frank and Magilla) than a real rook (though those are fun).

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>Always good to have a returning vet (a la Frank and Magilla)
>than a real rook (though those are fun).

Done it before, but is horrendously bad. Two for one.

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Actually, who wants to be in charge of the stats for a postseason joint?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

Could only go 4, maybe 5 games, considering potential sweeps. Maybe 8 dudes, 12 or 13 man rosters, play 5 games roto style. 8 points for Game 1-5 top score, 7 for second, etc. Most points wins.

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was a nightmare to keep stats for.


Was fun but I aint doing it again.

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"though time has passed, im still the future" (c) black thought

5 roto games, first round only. Set lineup before each game. Only issue is drafting before Saturday. Maybe 4 or 5 guys would be better lol.

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that's what he said. i don't really need it like that.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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*sigh* i never win anything.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

It's in my piggy bank.

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out of respect for what you've done in the past.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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my iwatch account needs more money

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

Signed,
Buffalo Boogs

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I've traveled far and wide through many different times...

I got very lucky against you, and I feel terrible you've gone 0-4.

You'll be back.

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17x NBA Champions

if anyones interested we could do a couple leagues for small change

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2019 CABG Survivor

2016 OK Survivor Champion

be about it or be without it

RIP GOATs

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all my other leagues too.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

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Yesterday I mistakenly sent Boogs' old Columbia account the $280 for his winnings. After the transaction didn't complete I went back to Boogs' most recent payment and saw he had a new email for paypal so I cancelled the Columbia payment and sent it to his new one.

Unfortunately, Paypal has yet to refund the $280 for the cancelled transaction (should happen today or tomorrow). When they do, I'll send you the full $560.

FYI

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17x NBA Champions

1-Payouts: Should we still do division winners or analternative? Best records in division? Highest Averages?

^^^We never made a determination on this one

2-GM replacement:

Iffy:
Magilla?
Robe?

Retiring:
Matty

Possible replacements:
josephmurf2384
BShelly
Suggestions?

^^^Anyone heard from Robe? Magilla?

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And rewarding regular season champ.

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but yours is still better than the divisional payout
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Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario
It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious

Anything over what we have now.

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We have 2 months before kick off so...I'll keep this vote up for a month.

Division Payouts-
Option A: Keep it the same $60 for winners
Option B: (courtesy of TJT) $60 highest avg over reg season, $60 best reg season record, $120 back into the pool ($100 for winner, $20 for runner up so total = $600 winner, $240 runner up)

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I've traveled far and wide through many different times...

Division winners still get byes, right?

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17x NBA Champions

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Surprise!
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Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario
It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious

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"though time has passed, im still the future" (c) black thought

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

if im the decider let me know and i'll pick one


lol

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2019 CABG Survivor

2016 OK Survivor Champion

be about it or be without it

RIP GOATs

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"This (and every, actually) conversation needs more Chesterton and less Mike Francesa." - Walleye

sorry, fellas....got a lot going on and I know I'm not going to have much time to focus on this, so I don't even wanna mess around like I can.

I'll try to get back in when I can. Good luck to all y'all this season.

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Steph: I was just fooling about

Kyrie: I wasn't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8OWNspU_yE

i thought about leaving too..but im in til i win.....get dat FD money doe!!!!

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2019 CABG Survivor

2016 OK Survivor Champion

be about it or be without it

RIP GOATs

Gonna be the first REAL rooks we've had in maybe 2-3 seasons.

Fun.

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who wins the OKP yahoo leagues?

Truth, Warrem who else posts a lot during the year?
DOnt think LA2Philly plays fantasy

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"though time has passed, im still the future" (c) black thought