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"Eagles trade Shady McCoy to Buffalo"


  

          

weird


http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12415886/philadelphia-eagles-trade-lesean-mccoy-buffalo-bills


The Philadelphia Eagles have a trade in place to send running back LeSean McCoy to the Buffalo Bills, a source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.

In return, the Bills will send linebacker Kiko Alonso to the Eagles, the source said.

The trade can not be made official until the new league year begins next Monday.

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really don't get this one at all
Mar 03rd 2015
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whoa.
Mar 03rd 2015
2
This makes sense if McCoy's cap # is huge
Mar 03rd 2015
3
$12M in 2015 (McCoy)
Mar 03rd 2015
6
RE: $12M in 2015 (McCoy)
Mar 03rd 2015
15
Eagles had 3rd most cap space iin the league
Mar 03rd 2015
61
....and bitch, I love it (c)Kendrick
Mar 03rd 2015
4
whoooohoooo!!!!
Mar 03rd 2015
21
the rest of the NFC East dancing like this:
Mar 03rd 2015
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      lulz
Mar 05th 2015
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Is there something else wrong with Kiko?
Mar 03rd 2015
5
Bc Shady is an incredibly dynamic back with several good years left in
Mar 03rd 2015
13
      Yeah, the ACL is what I was referring to
Mar 03rd 2015
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           I'm not so sure Chip will easily replace Shady's production. Look at th...
Mar 03rd 2015
28
just Alonso? no picks?
Mar 03rd 2015
7
Buffalo doesn't have a first round pick this year
Mar 03rd 2015
9
Kelly's system is perfect for a running back like McCoy.
Mar 03rd 2015
12
      from the two giants games and having him on my fantasy team
Mar 03rd 2015
20
W....T.......F
Mar 03rd 2015
8
Alonso was really good (pre-ACL, if that matters)
Mar 03rd 2015
10
^^^^^
Mar 03rd 2015
17
i assume the opposite
Mar 03rd 2015
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I assume Shady McCoy's worth more than a white LB from Oregon whose
Mar 03rd 2015
22
dude we had eight of them on last year's roster, not one made any level
Mar 03rd 2015
24
      was Casey Matthews supposed to play before the season?
Mar 03rd 2015
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           if Chip Kelly wasn't the coach, he woulda never made the roster
Mar 03rd 2015
39
Firstly - SPM, I was wrong (said he wouldn't be dealt or cut)
Mar 03rd 2015
11
They couldn't move him for a healthy linebacker though?
Mar 04th 2015
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RE: I believe the Eagles will end up regretting this move
Mar 03rd 2015
14
both teams got better imo
Mar 03rd 2015
16
Maybe Shady was in a gang too. Let's wait for this to play out guys.
Mar 03rd 2015
23
lmao
Mar 03rd 2015
25
LOLOL @ this
Mar 03rd 2015
26
there's apparently a video of Dez, Shady & Desean jumping in Terio
Mar 03rd 2015
27
LOL...awesome
Mar 03rd 2015
30
good one
Mar 03rd 2015
32
hmmm...just heard LT on NFL Network....
Mar 03rd 2015
29
It might be the right move and I hate it
Mar 03rd 2015
31
Chris "Keeper" Polk
Mar 03rd 2015
33
strong roster management
Mar 03rd 2015
35
Wtf is Chip doing? 2 yrs in a row we lose our 2 best offensive players??
Mar 03rd 2015
34
but now you have a new best defensive player right?
Mar 03rd 2015
37
      we do? a guy with 1 season under his belt 2 years ago rehabbing an ACL?
Mar 03rd 2015
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      i havent seen anything to think he wont be back fully
Mar 03rd 2015
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           Fletcher Cox was our best defensive player last year
Mar 03rd 2015
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      No. Kendricks, Cox, and Barwin are better. Potentially great player
Mar 03rd 2015
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      Yup. Add 2 corners, a safety, and it's a very good defensive unit
Mar 03rd 2015
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      agreed on barwin and maybe cox.
Mar 03rd 2015
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           Not maybe Cox, he was the best player on the D
Mar 04th 2015
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                yeah his numbers don't represent how good he was last year
Mar 06th 2015
165
      Fletcher Cox, man...he was an absolute DESTROYER...
Mar 03rd 2015
52
I'm pissed.
Mar 03rd 2015
40
40 mill will be very useful in this free agency
Mar 03rd 2015
53
      true, but now they're 50 mil under
Mar 03rd 2015
60
           demeco was always gonna get cut bc of his achilles tear
Mar 03rd 2015
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Bills gonna fuck around and be good
Mar 03rd 2015
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Who's their QB though?
Mar 03rd 2015
44
      Surprised they didn't pick up Josh McCown
Mar 03rd 2015
50
      Josh McCown aint good
Mar 03rd 2015
56
           He's probably better than Manuel...and who else is out there on the
Mar 03rd 2015
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      Shoulda kept KING THAD.
Mar 03rd 2015
88
           so should have the Browns
Mar 04th 2015
108
Ouch! Cj Spiller is live on NFL network
Mar 03rd 2015
43
LOL....I was watching that as it happened...hilarious
Mar 03rd 2015
49
The NFL is truly a business first and second.
Mar 03rd 2015
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Like I said from Day 1 Chip Kelly is fucking moron
Mar 03rd 2015
45
if he was my HC I'd drink KoolAid too, still won 10 games last year
Mar 03rd 2015
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I am still drinking the kool aid
Mar 04th 2015
90
trying to be Belichick-esque with this move
Mar 03rd 2015
46
Huh? Alonso is 24 yo and on his rookie contract
Mar 03rd 2015
51
      oops.. read some shit wrong. thanks
Mar 03rd 2015
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https://twitter.com/Pro_Hunt58/status/572912526628921346
Mar 03rd 2015
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RE: Eagles trade Shady McCoy to Buffalo
Mar 03rd 2015
55
As a Pats fan I'm pissed at Philly with this damn move
Mar 03rd 2015
57
Sammy and Shady. And a top 5 defense.
Mar 03rd 2015
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Bills could be good if they get a QB
Mar 03rd 2015
64
      other than that, Mrs Kennedy, how was Dallas?
Mar 03rd 2015
68
Getting Mariota could be a blessing in disguise
Mar 03rd 2015
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Marshawn Lynch is the only top RB to win a superbowl since 2000
Mar 03rd 2015
62
Ray Rice was awful that season, averaged 3 yards a carry
Mar 03rd 2015
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and had some brutal fumbles along the way, esp in super bowl
Mar 03rd 2015
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This is all wrong. Ray Rice had a great year in 2012 (the SB season).
Mar 05th 2015
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Exactly and that team obv had a GREAT defense
Mar 03rd 2015
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      Lol, Shady WAS Chip's offense, I bet they keep Cooper tho
Mar 03rd 2015
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           Lolz. Don't embarrass yourself
Mar 03rd 2015
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           No he wasn't
Mar 06th 2015
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Like this move for Philly a lot, don't mind it for Buff either
Mar 03rd 2015
63
first Jackson.....now McCoy.....
Mar 03rd 2015
67
Do we go after Spiller now?
Mar 03rd 2015
75
lol for what?
Mar 03rd 2015
79
lol...to do what?
Mar 03rd 2015
81
lol 1st 2 repliers don't think so, I could see it, it's a deep RB draft ...
Mar 03rd 2015
82
LOL
Mar 03rd 2015
80
RE: Eagles trade Shady McCoy to Buffalo
Mar 03rd 2015
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what? He was NASTY for the Ducks.
Mar 04th 2015
129
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvdFzS8IEAAHT_z.jpg:large
Mar 03rd 2015
85
If I wanted to root for the Patriots, I'd root for those MOTHERFUCKERS!
Mar 03rd 2015
86
Wow
Mar 03rd 2015
89
More big moves coming
Mar 04th 2015
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Bills got tired of seeing Marshawn in the Super Bowl
Mar 04th 2015
92
Eagles won this trade
Mar 04th 2015
94
Using your logic ...
Mar 04th 2015
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he was out there in trade talks, teams aren't jumping to take on 10 mil ...
Mar 04th 2015
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      ^^^Nobody wasn't gonna trade you an upgrade over Foles for Shadys contra...
Mar 04th 2015
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RE: Eagles won this trade
Mar 04th 2015
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this is not how I remember this at all
Mar 04th 2015
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      RE: this is not how I remember this at all
Mar 08th 2015
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LOL, they were never going to release him for nothing
Mar 04th 2015
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maybe not this offseason, definitely next though
Mar 04th 2015
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      if they weren't going to this season, then the point is irrelevant
Mar 04th 2015
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Reasons this trade may not be awful
Mar 04th 2015
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      no reason for eagle fans to not think they can replace mccoys production
Mar 04th 2015
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      ^^not the king of negatives for nothing
Mar 04th 2015
102
           ha
Mar 04th 2015
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                my finalish opinion: it's a good trade and i hate it
Mar 04th 2015
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                     totally understandable, esp McCoy being such a philly dude
Mar 04th 2015
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      RE: Reasons this trade may not be awful
Mar 04th 2015
107
no brainer and it's been obvious for a while shady wasn't coming back
Mar 04th 2015
104
can this nigga cover Dez?????
Mar 04th 2015
109
Shady $10 mil might be enough to get Maxwell
Mar 04th 2015
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      they already had enough money to sign Mac, keep Shady & sign Maxwell
Mar 04th 2015
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           you don't get extra credit for wasting money just because u can
Mar 04th 2015
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                RE: he wants that security
Mar 04th 2015
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                dawg, they been 20 mill under the cap every year for literally 20 years
Mar 04th 2015
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I get the reasoning behind dealing him.....but
Mar 04th 2015
112
Bill Barnwell: Eagles won (swipe)
Mar 04th 2015
113
Y'all got Wilt Chamberlain reach from the grave
Mar 04th 2015
114
Y'all heard the newest Eagles rumor?
Mar 04th 2015
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And everybody involved should be fired...
Mar 04th 2015
119
people just making shit up
Mar 04th 2015
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      ... That was from an Eagles board......
Mar 04th 2015
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           they never make shit up on message boards.
Mar 04th 2015
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                LOL
Mar 04th 2015
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                lmao
Mar 04th 2015
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TAMPA better take that deal ASAP!
Mar 04th 2015
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Oh god how I wish this was true.... hahahahaahaha
Mar 04th 2015
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^^^Keeping It Ridiculous Always
Mar 04th 2015
132
LOL...cmon
Mar 04th 2015
133
lol-3 straight years of giving up 1st and 2nd rounders-lol
Mar 05th 2015
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Wouldn't it make sense for an offensive expert to invest the
Mar 05th 2015
134
RE: Eagles trade Shady McCoy to Buffalo
Mar 05th 2015
135
Mychal Kendricks is very similar in size to Alonso
Mar 05th 2015
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      RE: Mychal Kendricks is very similar in size to Alonso
Mar 05th 2015
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           he'll be better, cheaper, and younger than demarco ryans
Mar 05th 2015
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           The team was fifth in yards per run allowed
Mar 05th 2015
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                RE: The team was fifth in yards per run allowed
Mar 05th 2015
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                     Our offensive pace and limited ToP results in...
Mar 05th 2015
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                     RE: Our offensive pace and limited ToP results in...
Mar 05th 2015
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                          no team really beat us with their ground game last year, seriously.
Mar 05th 2015
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                               RE: no team really beat us with their ground game last year, seriously.
Mar 05th 2015
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                                    RE: no team really beat us with their ground game last year, seriously.
Mar 05th 2015
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                     you have to factor in pace, teams get more possessions in Eagle games.
Mar 05th 2015
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                     You're trying to argue with people who actually watch the Eagles and
Mar 05th 2015
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                          RE: You're trying to argue with people who actually watch the Eagles and
Mar 05th 2015
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                               No shade intended. The Eagles front 7 was legitimately good this year
Mar 05th 2015
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Now that I've had to time to calm down and look at this rationally,
Mar 05th 2015
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what's annoying is we had the money anyway, so they're gonna really have
Mar 05th 2015
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      Exactly, it wasn't a cap issue. IMO Chip just wants his own guys in
Mar 05th 2015
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           keep an eye out for Kendricks possibly moved rather than re-upped now
Mar 05th 2015
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           according to Shady himself, he knew he wasn't gonna be back..
Mar 05th 2015
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at least Chip modeling the Eagles after a CFB team that won natl titles
Mar 05th 2015
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RE: at least Chip modeling the Eagles after a CFB team that won natl tit...
Mar 06th 2015
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      Exactly. Anybody expecting him to do things in a conventional way is
Mar 06th 2015
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      Yea its real unconventional to trade talent because they don't
Mar 06th 2015
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           When have you ever expressed an opinion of the Eagles that isn't
Mar 06th 2015
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                RE: Maybe he learned from the DJax fiasco
Mar 06th 2015
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                You guys are delusional this is classic EAGLES mantra sell talent
Mar 07th 2015
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      i dont really gaf about the eagles. that was a dart at Oregon.
Mar 06th 2015
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           You don't say!
Mar 07th 2015
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                Chip just took the reins from Belotti
Mar 09th 2015
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In classic Eagles fashion let go of all pro talent get older and cheaper...
Mar 08th 2015
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SHADY SHOULD HAVE RETIRED AN IGGLE!!!
Mar 08th 2015
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1. "really don't get this one at all"
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Not that I care, but there's got to be more than that LB coming to the Eagles, right?

  

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2. "whoa."
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3. "This makes sense if McCoy's cap # is huge"
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Gets them a LB (which they need) and a good RB can be acquired in so many ways...

But we are talking the Eagles, so this will surely blow up in their faces...

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6. "$12M in 2015 (McCoy)"
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15. "RE: $12M in 2015 (McCoy)"
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THX

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61. "Eagles had 3rd most cap space iin the league"
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we always have cap space. That's bullshit, just like D-Jax salary concerns.

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4. "....and bitch, I love it (c)Kendrick"
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21. "whoooohoooo!!!!"
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76. "the rest of the NFC East dancing like this:"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXekcYyTqXU&t=107

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154. "lulz"
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5. "Is there something else wrong with Kiko?"
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Not sure why Buffalo would do this.

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13. "Bc Shady is an incredibly dynamic back with several good years left in "
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the tank. Seriously?

Sure, Shady doesn't help himself with his tendency to dance and move E/W too much. However, he's still the most elusive back in the league. He can run, catch, and block. Bias aside (I've watch him since he was in high school at nearby Bishop McDevitt in Harrisburg, PA), I honestly think he's got 3 really highly productive years left.

Watch the Eagles running game last year. Way, way too many zone stretch runs that are extremely difficult to gain yards on - especially on our broken down, depleted line last year.

Let's not forget Alonzo is coming off an ACL injury.

  

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18. "Yeah, the ACL is what I was referring to"
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RB's are do disposable now that you really can't count on them staying consistent. They're also the easiest offensive position to replace.

They can bring in an RB who can put up similar numbers for cheaper while significantly improving their LB corps.

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28. "I'm not so sure Chip will easily replace Shady's production. Look at th..."
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guys he's brought in thus far. He's been very hit or miss with his player evaluation. I'm hoping for the best, but I can't say with certainty that we'll find an adequate replacement.

Sproles is electric, but his carries have always been limited. Chris Polk is a big bruiser, but can he carry it 15-20 times a game AND be outstanding in passing game? I dunno. There are some really intriguing backs in the draft, so there's that too.

*IF* Alonso returns to form I can see a pretty big payoff. But we'd still have to pay him a LOT of $ and our other young stud LB - Mychal Kendricks.

  

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7. "just Alonso? no picks?"
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Not trolling but there are about to be a bunch of bearded, onion breathed folk furious and choking on they cheesestakes.

that said i hope there are picks involved, i'd like this to end in a trade up for mariota

also shady wasnt shady in this system forget the total numbers last year

  

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9. "Buffalo doesn't have a first round pick this year"
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They traded it to Cleveland to move up and grab Watkins last year.

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12. "Kelly's system is perfect for a running back like McCoy. "
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>also shady wasnt shady in this system forget the total numbers
>last year

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20. "from the two giants games and having him on my fantasy team"
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he rarely got the freedom to cause disruption he did in years past it looked like any old running back could have done what he did in that system last year and when he's not being paid 'any old running back' money it makes sense to ship him out.

I'll bow to your knowledge of their system though but that was what my eyes saw

  

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8. "W....T.......F"
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Chip is clearing the deck. I agreed with every move except this one. Cole was done. Cary was trash and Todd was done. But Shady? Naw.

"hey, make this right mayne
stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

  

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10. "Alonso was really good (pre-ACL, if that matters)"
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true three-down linebacker with instincts and borderline dirty/nastiness to his game. and he's still on his rookie deal.

although this also continues Kelly's insistence on acquiring former Oregon players. he's banking his job on his college guys.

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17. "^^^^^"
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Do folks just see "Buffalo" and assume he must suck?

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19. "i assume the opposite"
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since the bills always suck, they always have a few young studs ballin quietly

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22. "I assume Shady McCoy's worth more than a white LB from Oregon whose"
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played one good rookie season then promptly had his knee exploded and missed all of his second.

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24. "dude we had eight of them on last year's roster, not one made any level"
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of contribution that even warrants still being here.

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36. "was Casey Matthews supposed to play before the season?"
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He seems like a decent special teams guy

Not much more tho

  

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39. "if Chip Kelly wasn't the coach, he woulda never made the roster"
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>He seems like a decent special teams guy
>
>Not much more tho

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11. "Firstly - SPM, I was wrong (said he wouldn't be dealt or cut)"
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Secondly, actually thinking about the most important pieces on recent championship teams...rb is one of the most replaceable spots...which is even more true in Chip's system.

I absolutely love Shady, but I understand the move because we can get enough production from a replacement while being able to plug Alonso in the middle and use the salary differential to balance the team. Need to have a top-fitting QB for this system and a balanced defense.

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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93. "They couldn't move him for a healthy linebacker though?"
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If he were 100%, I would see the logic because you're getting a good talent at a position of need and saving money. But the knee has me concerned. You have to realize that like all the Philly teams, you learn the healthiness and value of pessimism.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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14. "RE: I believe the Eagles will end up regretting this move"
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grassrootsphilosopher

  

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16. "both teams got better imo"
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The emergence of Nigel Bradham and Preston Brown made *someone* available out of that group

And the Eagles needed someone to play inside

  

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23. "Maybe Shady was in a gang too. Let's wait for this to play out guys. "
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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25. "lmao"
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26. "LOLOL @ this"
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____
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They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

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27. "there's apparently a video of Dez, Shady & Desean jumping in Terio "
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it's release is 'eminent' so Chip had to act fast.

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30. "LOL...awesome"
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32. "good one"
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----
bshelly

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29. "hmmm...just heard LT on NFL Network...."
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he said he talked to Shady a couple of weeks ago and he told him he didn't expect to be back in Philly and that he and Chip's relationship had become strained and he also felt like he was phased out of the offense at times last year. Damn.

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31. "It might be the right move and I hate it"
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Peace out, shady.

And because it's a Duck, Chip better damn well be right. Right now I have little faith he is.

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33. "Chris "Keeper" Polk"
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----
bshelly

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35. "strong roster management"
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34. "Wtf is Chip doing? 2 yrs in a row we lose our 2 best offensive players??"
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"when I was growin' up if we wanted a jacuzzi we had to fart in the tub!"

  

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37. "but now you have a new best defensive player right?"
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38. "we do? a guy with 1 season under his belt 2 years ago rehabbing an ACL?"
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>

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78. "i havent seen anything to think he wont be back fully"
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And that one season was more productive than anything any Eagle but Barwin did last year

  

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87. "Fletcher Cox was our best defensive player last year "
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>And that one season was more productive than anything any
>Eagle but Barwin did last year

And Kendricks was hurt.

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42. "No. Kendricks, Cox, and Barwin are better. Potentially great player"
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though and he fills a need.

  

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47. "Yup. Add 2 corners, a safety, and it's a very good defensive unit"
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---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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77. "agreed on barwin and maybe cox. "
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But i really liked Alonso in '13

This assumes full injury recovery obviously

  

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131. "Not maybe Cox, he was the best player on the D"
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Bar none. He is an absolute monster and graded out as such

---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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165. "yeah his numbers don't represent how good he was last year"
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An absolute monster. I expect him to be an Eagle for a long time and that makes me happy.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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52. "Fletcher Cox, man...he was an absolute DESTROYER..."
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against us. Just a ruiner of game plans.

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40. "I'm pissed."
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Know the cap # is huge, but they're 40 million under. And that was before they cut Trent Cole. Wtf
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Same as it ever was!

  

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53. "40 mill will be very useful in this free agency "
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Re-signing Mac and getting 2 starting corners will dent it significantly.

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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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60. "true, but now they're 50 mil under "
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>Re-signing Mac and getting 2 starting corners will dent it
>significantly.

And word is demeco is next.

This better not be a skins style spending spree so they can mortgage the draft for mariotta.

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72. "demeco was always gonna get cut bc of his achilles tear "
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It's the sad reality of the league.

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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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41. "Bills gonna fuck around and be good"
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44. "Who's their QB though? "
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50. "Surprised they didn't pick up Josh McCown"
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grassrootsphilosopher

  

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56. "Josh McCown aint good"
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66. "He's probably better than Manuel...and who else is out there on the"
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market?

I know Bradford is but his history of injuries is troublesome

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88. "Shoulda kept KING THAD."
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108. "so should have the Browns"
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43. "Ouch! Cj Spiller is live on NFL network"
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap3000000476213/Spiller-reacts-live-to-McCoy-to-Bills-trade-agreement

  

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49. "LOL....I was watching that as it happened...hilarious"
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71. "The NFL is truly a business first and second."
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Dude handled that very well. I wonder how many mintues of prep time he had in terms of knowing of the trade before going on camera.

  

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45. "Like I said from Day 1 Chip Kelly is fucking moron"
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Oregon fucking reunion bullshit. Lurie let this clown loose and now he's going to blow his whole draft on his bust QB.

I was expecting this shit but I'm still fuckin pissed.

He had plenty of cap space, so all that salary BS about DeSean and Shady are just excuses.

I'm very curious to see how many fans turn on him after this trade, since so many kept drinking Chip's kool aid after he dumped DJax for nothing, even going as far as booing him when all he did was get cut after his best season.

I think a lot of people will hop back on his dick once we get Mariota though. At least until everyone realizes he's not that good. He at least has a chance in Chip's system though, which could be his saving grace but regardless where he lands I can't wait until Jameis pisses everyone off by balling the fuck out.

Chip is going to set the franchise back at least 5 years, probably longer because someone will have to clean up his clusterfuck and hopefully they make the right hire.

I'm really just crossing my fingers and hoping Chip pulls a Nick Saban and goes back to a big job in college.

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65. "if he was my HC I'd drink KoolAid too, still won 10 games last year"
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trading an overpaid RB for a guy who has potential to be an elite defender is not that crazy, the Desean thing is totally different

>Oregon fucking reunion bullshit. Lurie let this clown loose
>and now he's going to blow his whole draft on his bust QB.
>
>I was expecting this shit but I'm still fuckin pissed.
>
>He had plenty of cap space, so all that salary BS about DeSean
>and Shady are just excuses.
>
>I'm very curious to see how many fans turn on him after this
>trade, since so many kept drinking Chip's kool aid after he
>dumped DJax for nothing, even going as far as booing him when
>all he did was get cut after his best season.
>
>I think a lot of people will hop back on his dick once we get
>Mariota though. At least until everyone realizes he's not that
>good. He at least has a chance in Chip's system though, which
>could be his saving grace but regardless where he lands I
>can't wait until Jameis pisses everyone off by balling the
>fuck out.
>
>Chip is going to set the franchise back at least 5 years,
>probably longer because someone will have to clean up his
>clusterfuck and hopefully they make the right hire.
>
>I'm really just crossing my fingers and hoping Chip pulls a
>Nick Saban and goes back to a big job in college.


@rob_starrk

  

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90. "I am still drinking the kool aid"
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It's quite refreshing actually.

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46. "trying to be Belichick-esque with this move"
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move big contracts, especially at "easily-replaceable" positions to get younger and take money off the books... but he fucked it all up by getting an older dude that's not on a rookie deal

  

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51. "Huh? Alonso is 24 yo and on his rookie contract "
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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

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54. "oops.. read some shit wrong. thanks"
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48. "https://twitter.com/Pro_Hunt58/status/572912526628921346"
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55. "RE: Eagles trade Shady McCoy to Buffalo"
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I think this is a move the Eagles might regret.

The idea that running back is such a fungible position is overblown. And Shady was the perfect back for Chip's system.

On the flip side...Eagles should sign LaMichael James, wherever he is now.

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57. "As a Pats fan I'm pissed at Philly with this damn move"
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58. "Sammy and Shady. And a top 5 defense. "
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Kiko was an animal but they didn't exactly miss him last season and he wasn't going to play every down this season. Rumor is he wanted out so this turned out good.

  

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64. "Bills could be good if they get a QB"
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I think they'll sign a FA to start.

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68. "other than that, Mrs Kennedy, how was Dallas?"
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59. "Getting Mariota could be a blessing in disguise"
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When he (probably) fails spectacularly it might be bad enough that the Eagles have to fire Chip, or his seat gets hot enough he runs back to college.

I think Chip knew he was dumping Shady a long time ago. Avant said that they knew at least one of the WR's would be gone and it's no coincidence that Shady didn't get any touches at the goaline this year.

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62. "Marshawn Lynch is the only top RB to win a superbowl since 2000"
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You could maybe argue Ray Rice but that was the year Flacco went wild in the Playoffs.

Eagles don't need Shady to win, whether it's a good move is a different argument, but Shady is not the answer to win a superbowl.

  

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69. "Ray Rice was awful that season, averaged 3 yards a carry"
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>You could maybe argue Ray Rice but that was the year Flacco
>went wild in the Playoffs.
>
>Eagles don't need Shady to win, whether it's a good move is a
>different argument, but Shady is not the answer to win a
>superbowl.

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70. "and had some brutal fumbles along the way, esp in super bowl"
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136. "This is all wrong. Ray Rice had a great year in 2012 (the SB season). "
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257 Touches
1,143 Yards
4.4 Avg Yds
61 Receptions
9 TDs

Also, without "4th&29" the Ravens probably don't get to New Orleans.

It's 2013 that he fell off in.

And by comparison, the Ravens defense in 2011-2012 was slightly better (ranked 15th) than the one that succeeded it for the SuperBowl (ranked 16th).

Streets won't let me chill.

  

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73. "Exactly and that team obv had a GREAT defense "
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The rb spot is the most replaceable in the league, even more so in Chip's offense.

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"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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74. "Lol, Shady WAS Chip's offense, I bet they keep Cooper tho"
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>The rb spot is the most replaceable in the league, even more
>so in Chip's offense.

"when I was growin' up if we wanted a jacuzzi we had to fart in the tub!"

  

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83. "Lolz. Don't embarrass yourself "
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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

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166. "No he wasn't "
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He got shut down a lot last year. Not that it was all his fault.

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63. "Like this move for Philly a lot, don't mind it for Buff either"
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MLB is SCARCE right now, Jets may have to overpay old ass David Harris cause half the teams in the nfl need a MLB this offseason... Kiko could easily end up being a pro bowler for the next 8 years, I'd almost be surprised if he's not

Throw in the financial savings and one of the best RB draft classes in years this is a really smart move... The Eagles will always score points with Chip, Kiko is a nice upgrade on defense...

For buff, their d was borderline great without Kiko anyway last year, and with a running offense, why not have a great rb

  

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67. "first Jackson.....now McCoy..... "
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Chip putting himself on a bit of an island.... if it don't work out.... it's all on him.

  

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75. "Do we go after Spiller now?"
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"when I was growin' up if we wanted a jacuzzi we had to fart in the tub!"

  

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79. "lol for what?"
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81. "lol...to do what?"
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82. "lol 1st 2 repliers don't think so, I could see it, it's a deep RB draft ..."
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80. "LOL"
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84. "RE: Eagles trade Shady McCoy to Buffalo"
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The other thing is Kiko was playing in a 4-3 in Buffalo. Which, I think, was part of why he looked much better than he did during his time in Oregon. He is fast, instinctive and could be good in coverage but not that great at shedding blocks or taking on olinemen.

Now he's gonna be in a 3-4 with OG's getting up close and personal...


I'm not a fan of the idea.

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129. "what? He was NASTY for the Ducks."
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85. "https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BvdFzS8IEAAHT_z.jpg:large"
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Da fuk is going on with my Eagles!

Damn damn damn ...

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86. "If I wanted to root for the Patriots, I'd root for those MOTHERFUCKERS!"
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89. "Wow"
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I'm pissed as a Jets fan that my squad has to deal with this dude now.

I'm stunned that the Eagles traded McCoy for Alonso. Not to say Kiko isn't good, he's a good player, but not worth Shady. If it were Alonso and picks it'd make more sense. Plus, the Eagles could've just waited until teams made some cuts and kept Shady and paid someone decent coin.

If I were an Eagle fan, I'd question this move. It'd only make sense if they had a RB up their sleeve that was on Shady's level. Maybe they make a move for Murray

  

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91. "More big moves coming"
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its going to be interesting to see what else they do. They have a lot of money to play with. If they sign Maxwell and the safety from NE the defense has a whole lot of potential. I think they will draft a rb.

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92. "Bills got tired of seeing Marshawn in the Super Bowl"
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and now got the horse we need and we are going to the Super Bowl.

Buffalo is back. we about to run it again

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94. "Eagles won this trade"
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They got a potential top 10 LB in the NFL and they sent a RB that they were planning to release for nothing.

RBs are replaceable. And they are cheap...there is no reason to pay 10+ mil for a RB.


  

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95. "Using your logic ..."
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Why not leverage Shady for a better QB and not a player that had 1 good season then had to learn to walk all over again? If true Mariotta is his focus he had a commodity to wager.

In two consecutive seasons we've traded our best WR and best RB. Our QB Foles is now in the doghouse and we are still broken in our secondary.

The question is what comes now ... Maybe he spins gold out of the dollars now available. We'll see ... personally, he has maybe 2 yrs left if they don't win big next season.

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98. "he was out there in trade talks, teams aren't jumping to take on 10 mil ..."
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RB's



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111. "^^^Nobody wasn't gonna trade you an upgrade over Foles for Shadys contra..."
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96. "RE: Eagles won this trade"
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>They got a potential top 10 LB in the NFL and they sent a RB
>that they were planning to release for nothing.

Alonso was playing in a 4-3 in Buffalo. I am skeptical that he will have the same success in a 3-4 where lineman are going to be able to get their hands on him. He was in a 3-4 in college and routinely disappeared against power running teams like Stanford.

>
>RBs are replaceable. And they are cheap...there is no reason
>to pay 10+ mil for a RB.
>
>
>

Even if we assume this is true (and I think it's hyperbole), couldn't we say the same about non-pass rushing linebackers? The Giants won two Super Bowls and never, ever put an emphasis on interior linebackers. Packers won a SB with bum ass Brad Jones and AJ HAwk starting inside in their 3-4. Both guys are already jobless. Seahawks Malcolm Smith was a 5th round pick. The Cowboys won the Eagles division last year with a middle linebacker who was cut twice by other teams, retired and then was picked up off the scrap heap.

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130. "this is not how I remember this at all"
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>and routinely disappeared against power running teams like
>Stanford.
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171. "RE: this is not how I remember this at all"
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Really?

I mean, that Stanford loss his senior year was a neverending series of dive plays, as I recall.

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97. "LOL, they were never going to release him for nothing "
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They had plenty of cap space.

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99. "maybe not this offseason, definitely next though"
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115. "if they weren't going to this season, then the point is irrelevant"
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everything in the NFL is on a year-by-year basis.

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100. "Reasons this trade may not be awful"
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1) History says the team that trades a star running back almost never regrets it.

2) History says that trading with the Buffalo Bills is almost always a good idea.

3) Let's see where these free agent dollars land us.

4) Running backs are replaceable.

So I'm off the ledge, for now.

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101. "no reason for eagle fans to not think they can replace mccoys production"
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maybe not to the yard, but close, especially in such a great RB draft class...

adding an LB who can make plays and actually cover RB's, on a bargain deal

Eagles will be winners of this deal as time goes on for sure


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102. "^^not the king of negatives for nothing"
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103. "ha"
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not thinking out these quick replies... but yea, they'll still run the shit out of the ball successfully no matter who's back there, may not have the ability that shady has to make something out of nothing like shady, but still



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105. "my finalish opinion: it's a good trade and i hate it"
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I can get on board with one of my teams living the heartless Asset Lyfe. Two is hard, and we all love Shady.

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106. "totally understandable, esp McCoy being such a philly dude"
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Kiko is good enough to become an instant fan fave, but eagle fans gonna be mad if they don't find another star rb


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107. "RE: Reasons this trade may not be awful"
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>1) History says the team that trades a star running back
>almost never regrets it.

Buffalo did.

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>2) History says that trading with the Buffalo Bills is almost
>always a good idea.

Okay

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>3) Let's see where these free agent dollars land us.
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Indeed

>4) Running backs are replaceable.
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104. "no brainer and it's been obvious for a while shady wasn't coming back"
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i haven't watched a lot of alonzo
but i remember he was being hyped as a potential DPOY during parts of his rookie year
if he can be even 75% of what he was then this is a good deal for the eagles
i'm not even overly concerned with the injury really, AP and Maclin are two dudes off the top of my head who bounced back from ACLs like nothing happened
i trust the eagles to do their due diligence on the knee and either way it's only a $700k gamble with HUGE upside

shady is cool and all but the OG had him put over 600 carries on his body the past two yrs
if we're being honest about injury risk than a RB with 6 yrs of workload >>>>>>> MLB coming off 1 injury and a year of rest
again it's a no brainer
save a ton of money , get a young stud who could captain your D for the next decade, and get something for a player you didn't want who plays the easiest position to fill/replace. when healthy sproles looked better than shady last yr anyway. go RB by committee and call it a day
u got to be an idiot to not like this on paper at least

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109. "can this nigga cover Dez?????"
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110. "Shady $10 mil might be enough to get Maxwell"
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def enough to get McCourty
eagles could add Alonso, Maxwell, McCourty, AND Suh this offseason
i doubt that happens but they have that kind of flexibility now

ppl bitched about the defense, now that OG is putting the team in position to fix it they are still bitching, smh

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116. "they already had enough money to sign Mac, keep Shady & sign Maxwell "
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with Shady's money gone, I now want them to sign both Maxwell & McCourty.

Sick of this team patting itself on the back for being twenty mill under the cap every year for the past two decades.

What purpose is that shit if you're just gonna roll it over in perpetuity while losing production for cap management reasons?

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117. "you don't get extra credit for wasting money just because u can"
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shady ain't worth 10 mil per, that's the long and the short of it
he's already reportedly trying to ask buffalo for more money
he wants that security knowing his production is about to fall off a cliff
BYE

they got their production from him, time to move on

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120. "RE: he wants that security "
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or he wants his $$$ because NFL contracts don't mean shit

for the love of god man

how can you possibly turn this against Shady?

he's been our best player almost damn near since the day he walked through the door

if he's not worht the $$$ who the fok is?

as bomb said, congrats on being under the cap

every fok'n year

what big name FA is going to sign in PHI

with the recent history of giving their best players the kiss off

but hey, at least we've got the $$$ right...?

FOH

now we're predicting Shady's downfall...huh

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121. "dawg, they been 20 mill under the cap every year for literally 20 years"
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it ain't like they're wasting money signing the best safety or corner on the market considering they haven't had a half decent player at either in half a decade.

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112. "I get the reasoning behind dealing him.....but"
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anytime you trade an established known quantity..it's always nice to get some sort of draft pick...

but I get it.... you can get 2 guys to tote the rock for you for less money than you'd pay shady...I get it..

and it is a deep RB draft...

you can get a versatile back like a Synjyn Days from G.Tech in the later rounds who would fit perfectly with what Chip does...

but it would have been nice to get some sort of draft pick in the deal

  

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113. "Bill Barnwell: Eagles won (swipe)"
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Things were just too quiet in the NFL. The Bills and Eagles sent shock waves around the league Tuesday evening with reports of a stunning trade that defies simple analysis. Buffalo’s acquisition of running back LeSean McCoy in exchange for linebacker Kiko Alonso is a football rarity, a meaningful player-for-player swap where both teams can make a case they bought low and sold high. Both sides are assuming large amounts of risk, albeit in vastly different ways. The NFL doesn’t see very many trades like these. This is a fascinating exception, and a heck of a way to spend 20 minutes.

This trade really ran the gamut of reactions. I heard from everybody — from people within the league to friends who are fans of the teams involved — and the range of responses was extraordinary. Some saw this as a franchise-destroying mark of ultimate hubris for the Eagles. Others saw it as a sign that the Bills are just going to make the same futile mistakes they’ve made during their 15-season vacation from postseason play. I think it’s unfair to jump to those conclusions; this isn’t a deal with an obvious winner at the moment, even if it is the sort of trade that seems likely to end with one side regretting its decision. It’s a shocking trade — not necessarily a bad one.

Even if this isn’t a swap with a clear winner on its face, it’s a deal that raises all kinds of questions. Let’s answer them and get some insight into the pros and cons for both teams.

Why did the Eagles trade away McCoy?

It all starts here, right? This doesn’t feel like a trade where the Eagles said to themselves, “We have to acquire Kiko Alonso,” and just happened to settle on McCoy as the cost. It feels like a deal where the Philadelphia organization decided it was time to move on from its star running back and found Alonso to be the best option available.

Why would the Eagles want to move on from their franchise running back? Put yourself in their shoes and you can come up with a number of reasons. Start with McCoy’s production, which declined noticeably last year after a career season in 2013. While McCoy stayed healthy for the second consecutive season, his rushing average dropped precipitously, falling from a robust 5.1 yards per carry in 2013 to a far more middling 4.2 yards last year.

While McCoy seemed less explosive last season, that drop-off was more gradual than it might seem. McCoy had nine carries of 20 yards or more on 312 rushing attempts in 2014 … after posting nine carries of 20 yards or more on 314 rushing attempts in 2013. His longest run in 2013 (57 yards) was similar to his longest rush of 2014 (53 yards). His profile as a long-distance runner was not dramatically different between the two seasons under Chip Kelly.

Instead, McCoy’s performance suffered in the context of keeping the Eagles offense on schedule. Football Outsiders has a running back statistic called Success Rate that tracks how effectively backs keep their team on pace for first downs. A successful run, by its standards, is one that picks up 40 percent of the yards needed for a conversion on first down, 60 percent on second down, or 100 percent on third or fourth down.1 McCoy’s Success Rate in 2013 was 52 percent, the eighth-best rate in the league. Last year, it fell to 45 percent, which was 22nd among 43 qualifying running backs.

Some of that falls on McCoy’s inimitable running style, which relies on his unfathomable agility in the backfield to cut back and make free defenders miss behind the line of scrimmage before bursting upfield. When that works, it looks incredible. When it doesn’t, you start hearing rumblings about how McCoy needs to be more of a north-south runner and hit the hole before the defenders can even make it into the backfield. (Kelly, at least publicly, suggested that he only cared about McCoy’s production.)

The other factor is the one that should leave Bills fans wary. In 2013, the Eagles turned their offense around with a mammoth season from what was widely regarded as the league’s best offensive line. The Philly front five finally stayed healthy for all 16 games and delivered a dominating campaign. Last year, the Eagles were beset by injuries up front, eventually starting 10 linemen during a frustrating campaign. That goes both ways for McCoy; the healthy line surely inflated his numbers in 2013, but it also affected them last season.

Buffalo’s offensive line stayed mostly healthy last season, as the only starter to miss time was guard Chris Williams, an ill-advised free-agent pickup whose season ended after just three games because of a back injury. The problem was, the line just wasn’t very good. The Bills ranked just 26th in Adjusted Line Yards, and while those numbers can be misleading, Buffalo’s reputation matches the metrics here. The Bills added Richie Incognito earlier this offseason, but in addition to whatever odiousness Incognito brings as a human being, he wasn’t very good for the Dolphins on the field in 2013 and was out of football last year. McCoy will need to make his own magic happen again in 2015.

What about the money?

This has to be the biggest reason the Eagles made this trade. McCoy’s deal is onerous. He had a $12 million cap hit coming for Philadelphia in 2015, which would have only been topped among running backs by Adrian Peterson, and Peterson’s deal may also be ripped up and renegotiated very soon. By trading McCoy, the Eagles incur $3.4 million in dead money on this year’s cap but otherwise save $8.6 million in 2015.

Those are the direct savings. Acquiring Alonso as opposed to a draft pick also allows the Eagles to clear out cap space elsewhere. The Eagles will plug in Alonso at inside linebacker in their 3-4 defense, where he’ll play alongside promising young incumbent Mychal Kendricks. Alonso will replace veteran DeMeco Ryans, who tore his Achilles for the second time last season and will now likely be released. While the Eagles might have released Ryans even without acquiring Alonso, the difference between Alonso’s cap hit in 2015 (just under $800,000) and Ryans’s ($6.9 million) will give the Eagles a cool $6.1 million more in cap space to work with this offseason.

It certainly seems like the Eagles are trying to clear out as much cap space as possible with a plan in mind. They have been busy this week outside the McCoy trade, cutting Cary Williams and planning to do the same with Trent Cole. Releasing those veteran defenders will create $14.9 million, and if the Eagles also release Ryans, that adds up to $29.5 million in newly free cap space.

What will the Eagles do with all of that space?

It opens up all kinds of possibilities. This is a scary thing to say after Philadelphia lived through the Dream Team, but the Eagles can sign whomever they want in free agency. Ndamukong Suh? The Eagles can comfortably give him a hefty signing bonus and an enormous guaranteed first-year base salary without having to corrupt their cap in years to come. Byron Maxwell might as well pack his bags now. Devin McCourty is in play. And this makes Jeremy Maclin easier to re-sign if the Eagles are interested. If you can dream it, the Eagles can do it.

The most interesting options, though, are a pair of offensive weapons Kelly might find to his liking. McCoy’s impending departure means the top running back on Philadelphia’s roster will be Chris Polk, with Darren Sproles limited to a situational role. Could the Eagles be interested in going after DeMarco Murray, a move that would weaken their division rivals in Dallas while giving Kelly a more consistent back who was fourth in the league in Success Rate last season?2 Or could the Eagles go after 24-year-old Packers star Randall Cobb, whose versatility could allow Kelly to line him up anywhere on the field as a mismatch?

There are reasons to argue against both options; Murray is coming off a year of overuse in Dallas, and the 5-foot-10 Cobb is hardly the sort of big, physical receiver Kelly seems to favor when he’s making the personnel calls. But it’s clear that part of this trade revolves around what the Eagles do with the cap space they’ve cleared out. McCoy for Alonso is curious. McCoy for Alonso and Cobb? That’s a lot more appealing if you’re an Eagles fan.

So why would the Bills trade for McCoy if the Eagles are so eager to shed his salary?

Because this is the sort of thing you do when you don’t have a quarterback or any path toward getting one. With their first-round pick shipped to Cleveland in last year’s Sammy Watkins trade, the Bills can’t formulate a credible offer to trade up and grab Marcus Mariota, even if they thought he was worth the risk. Kyle Orton’s retirement has left them with EJ Manuel and Jeff Tuel at quarterback, and given that the Bills paid Orton a comfortable sum to come out of semi-retirement and hop into the lineup last year, you can figure out just how little Manuel showed in camp. I mean, the Bills were just outbid for Josh McCown and actually upset about it. This is the worst quarterback situation in football.

The Bills will surely head into the veteran free-agent market and come away with somebody like Jake Locker or Brian Hoyer on a short-term deal, but there’s no long-term option at quarterback available to them until the 2016 draft. And even with a dominant defense, Manuel (or Locker, or Hoyer) is so subpar that they’ll need an excellent running game to win. Adding a guy who was the league’s best running back in 2013 and who turns just 27 in July seems like a reasonable way to improve a running game overnight, especially if it comes in combination with a free-agent bid for somebody like 49ers guard Mike Iupati, who played under new Bills offensive coordinator Greg Roman in San Francisco.

You have to wonder why the Bills keep coming back to this well. As the league has rapidly moved away from valuing running backs as big-ticket commodities, Buffalo appears to have missed the memo. Although the moves have come under different personnel departments, the Bills have repeatedly been disappointed with their aggressive moves for running backs.

It has been more than a decade of disappointment, actually. In 2003, the Bills spent a first-round pick on injured University of Miami running back Willis McGahee, who averaged 3.9 yards per carry before bad-mouthing the city on his way out of Buffalo, netting two third-round picks and a seventh-rounder from the Ravens in 2007. Next, the Bills spent the 12th overall pick in that year’s draft on Marshawn Lynch, only to erode Lynch’s confidence and value before dealing him to Seattle for fourth- and fifth-round picks. Disappointed by Lynch, they spent the ninth overall pick in the 2010 draft on C.J. Spiller, who packaged a wildly impressive 2012 campaign inside a five-year Buffalo career marred by injuries and inconsistency.3

While those backs are all talented, they haven’t gotten the most out of their ability in Buffalo. Buffalo’s best back over much of that stretch has been Fred Jackson, an undrafted free agent who fellow Coe College alumnus Marv Levy signed out of NFL Europe. Given that the Bills have had no success committing significant assets toward running backs and have found a keeper in a guy nobody else wanted, doesn’t it seem like it might be worth going down that latter path again? Surely Coe must have produced a running back or two since Jackson left school.

Then again, the risk for the Bills, beyond the opportunity cost of dealing Alonso, is not especially high. After the trade, the Bills will have McCoy on a three-year, $25.3 million deal with just $1 million of that money guaranteed. If McCoy gets injured in 2015 or fails to live up to expectations, they can get out of the contract without any penalties. It’s still a hefty contract for a running back — the franchise tag figure for running backs is $10.9 million, right around McCoy’s cap hit of $10.25 million — but the Bills retain virtually all of the leverage.

The other opportunity cost for the Bills comes in 2016. If the Bills have a priority beyond acquiring a quarterback, it’s extending star defensive tackle Marcell Dareus, who is entering the final year of his rookie deal. Dareus is likely eyeing the record-setting contract Suh is about to receive as the baseline for his new deal, and while the Bills only have $96 million committed to the cap in 2016, every little bit counts. McCoy, whose 2016 cap hit is $7.2 million, is penciled in to have the second-largest cap hit on the team next season.

They can afford both, but when Dareus gets his massive raise, it becomes even more important for the Bills to find value elsewhere. If McCoy is merely a good running back and not the transcendent player he was in 2013, the Bills won’t be getting a worthwhile return on his contract.

What about Kiko Alonso?

It feels like Alonso is being sold short in the analyses I’ve read. Sure, a good chunk of why the Eagles made this trade has to do with dumping McCoy’s salary. Suggesting that Alonso is some spare part or that Kelly is only interested in Alonso because he coached him at Oregon is also unfair. Alonso has a chance to be a Pro Bowl middle linebacker over the next several years, and he could very well provide more positional value than McCoy in the years to come.

We’re almost two years removed from the best stretch of Alonso’s brief career, when he began his professional run in Buffalo with four interceptions and a sack during September of his rookie season. That was always going to be unsustainable, but we saw what Alonso was capable of during that stretch. He was a rangy, speedy linebacker built to play in the modern NFL, where middle linebackers have to be quick enough in short distances to close on the drag routes in front of their zones while simultaneously having enough long-range speed to carry faster tight ends and even some wide receivers up the seams. Alonso can be that sort of player in Philadelphia, and the Bills will miss him, especially as a nickel and dime defender.

Part of Alonso’s allure, as mentioned earlier, is that he works cheap. The former second-round pick still has two years left on his rookie deal, which will pay him $795,546 in 2015 and $991,418 in 2016. Those are bargain-basement prices for a talented young linebacker. Because Alonso missed all of 2014 with a torn ACL and spent the season on the non-football injury list, his contract also dictates that he will become a restricted free agent after the 2016 season as opposed to the vast majority of second-round picks from his class, who will become unrestricted free agents. Barring the unexpected, that gives the Eagles three cost-controlled years from what appears to be an above-average young linebacker.

It’s a lot to give up, but part of the logic unquestionably goes back to Rex Ryan’s ability to develop young defensive talent. Even with fellow middle linebacker Brandon Spikes an unrestricted free agent, the Bills are deep at linebacker with 25-year-old Nigel Bradham and 22-year-old Preston Brown, who impressed in Alonso’s absence. It wouldn’t be a surprise to see the Bills draft an inside linebacker or sign somebody like David Harris, Ryan’s former run-thumping inside linebacker in New York. If the Bills trust that Ryan can get more out of defensive players than he can out of similarly talented offensive ones — and that’s fair to say after his time in New York — it’s smart for them to leverage that and deal some of their defensive products for offensive weapons.

Alonso’s ACL injury also looms large here. ACL repairs and recoveries are commonplace in the NFL these days, but only the Bills are aware of just how well Alonso’s recovery has gone and how sturdy his knee is, especially if the trade really was put together in 20 minutes. Even if Alonso can pass a physical, he might very well be more susceptible to future ACL tears, and there’s no guarantee he’ll come back as the player he looked like during his rookie season. Those aren’t reasons to get rid of a player, but in assuming the risk of the McCoy contract, the Bills are shedding some of the risk that Alonso isn’t the player he used to be.

The flip side of it for the Bills, I suppose, is that they really didn’t need to trade Alonso if they wanted a running back. Murray is a free agent who would probably take $24.2 million over three years if the Bills offered it. Peterson might be a free agent soon. Ryan Mathews and Justin Forsett and a bunch of second-tier backs are out there. McCoy’s probably the best guy out of that bunch if you wanted to pick one over the next three seasons, but wouldn’t you rather have Forsett and Alonso than McCoy and a question mark at linebacker?

Is Kelly going overboard on this whole Oregon thing?

It’s hard to say. Alonso will become the ninth Oregon player on Philadelphia’s roster, which is sort of staggering, but he’s also very clearly the highest-profile and most important Oregon product of the bunch. Most of the Oregon players Kelly’s brought in are special-teamers and fringe contributors like Jeff Maehl, Kenjon Barner, and Taylor Hart. The only Oregon alum on the Eagles roster to suit up on more than 20 percent of the offensive or defensive snaps last year was Casey Matthews, whose arrival in Philly actually precedes Kelly’s time in town.

Given that the pool of replacement-level players competing for the last few spots on an NFL roster is enormous and likely impossible to sift through with any sort of reliable ability, there’s something to be said for focusing on a particular archetype and using that to emphasize some of the things you can control. Bringing in Oregon products to fill the back end of the roster gives Kelly players who are familiar with his intense practices and guys who are likely to be onboard with the program without raising much of a stink.

It’s a mistake to take those guys and have them fill meaningful roles — that’s where Steve Spurrier went wrong in Washington, if we can identify one of the many ways where Steve Spurrier went wrong in Washington — but up to this point, Kelly really hasn’t done that. Now, with personnel power, he’s gone out and acquired a former Oregon star to play a meaningful role on his team. It’s possible this is a one-time thing, that Alonso was a useful player at a position of need who just happened to come from Kelly’s college program. It’s also possible that the Eagles could become Oregon East in a more meaningful way in 2015. With Kelly winning his power struggle against Howie Roseman this offseason, we’ll see what happens in the seasons to come.

So, who won?

I don’t think it’s quite as clear as some might make it out to be, but ask me to pick a winner today and I think the Eagles came out on the better end of the deal. Expensive running backs just aren’t a valuable proposition in the NFL, and while McCoy does things at times that I can’t even fathom other human beings are capable of doing, he’s been inconsistent and probably isn’t worth the money remaining on his deal. Alonso is a three-down linebacker who is going to make pennies for the next three years; even if he’s just an average NFL starter, unless McCoy returns to his 2013 form, that’s a win for the Eagles.

And who lost?

More so than the Bills, I’d be worried if I were Murray or Peterson. Alonso is a talented player, but it’s sort of scary that the Eagles could shop around McCoy and only come away with a middle linebacker who missed 2014 with a torn ACL. It speaks to what little appetite teams have these days for spending big money on running backs; even teams with little hope at the position and plenty of cap space to spend, like the Raiders and Browns, didn’t appear to be interested in sending an asset to Philadelphia for McCoy.

The rule of contracts is simple: You pay a player for what he’s going to do, not what he’s done. More and more, teams are realizing that contracts for veteran running backs confuse the latter for the former. The Bills are hoping that what McCoy has done is proof that he’ll keep doing it.

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114. "Y'all got Wilt Chamberlain reach from the grave "
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in this post.

Its no possible way you can justify this trade. Eagles didn't even move laterally they took a major step backwards. This last two off seasons these Nimrods traded their two best offensive players but cause they didn't want to pay them. Its not like they got a replacement or good trade value this reeks of cheapness, ole boy network picking BYU guys and ego.

I'm glad I'm not an eagles fan. This team is gonna suck and when Chip gets the ax an d this team is stuck with guys who can only play in his system eagles will take years to get back to winning.

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118. "Y'all heard the newest Eagles rumor?"
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from Mike Missanelli (RUMOR):

PHI: 2015 Picks - 1, 2, 3
2016 Picks - 1, 2, 3
2017 Picks - 1, 2 / Foles
Tampa Bay: 2015 Pick - 1 / Mike Evans

  

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119. "And everybody involved should be fired..."
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>from Mike Missanelli (RUMOR):
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>PHI: 2015 Picks - 1, 2, 3
>2016 Picks - 1, 2, 3
>2017 Picks - 1, 2 / Foles
>Tampa Bay: 2015 Pick - 1 / Mike Evans
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That's beyond insane. There are metrics out there to protect teams from getting Hershel'ed.




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122. "people just making shit up"
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123. "... That was from an Eagles board......"
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124. "they never make shit up on message boards."
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126. "lmao"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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127. "TAMPA better take that deal ASAP! "
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128. "Oh god how I wish this was true.... hahahahaahaha"
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132. "^^^Keeping It Ridiculous Always"
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>from Mike Missanelli (RUMOR):
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>
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133. "LOL...cmon"
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---------------------------------
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"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
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141. "lol-3 straight years of giving up 1st and 2nd rounders-lol"
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yeah right. They wouldn't even give that up to get Andrew Luck and TY Hilton

  

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134. "Wouldn't it make sense for an offensive expert to invest the"
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majority of cap space and maybe the majority of early draft chips on acquiring top talent on the defensive side of the ball (the opposite of his forte), since, given his expertise, he should be more capable of finding & coaching up hidden gems on the offensive side?

And doesn't it make sense for a defensive expert in Buffalo to invest more heavily in offensive stars?

Trade makes all the sense in the world to me

  

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135. "RE: Eagles trade Shady McCoy to Buffalo"
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I'm seriously confused why no one is questioning how Kiko will fare in the Eagles current scheme.

Anyone who watched him play in a 3-4 in college saw that he struggled to shed blocks by guards and fullbacks, often shying away from contact and trying to use his speed and agility to run around guys.

In a 4-3, like Buffalo, he could chase and tackle.

On the Eagles, interior lineman are going to lay hands on him far more regularly.


Go look at a picture of dude, or some Oregon footage, he is a fantastic athlete but this is not Patrick Willis or Navarro Bowman. I'm not coming up with a lot of superstar 3-4 interior guys who were that slight.

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137. "Mychal Kendricks is very similar in size to Alonso"
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And Kendricks has done extremely well as an ILB in the 3-4. The key is having a d-line who can engage and occupy multiple blocks, and we have a very good one, led by an absolute monster in Fletcher Cox.

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138. "RE: Mychal Kendricks is very similar in size to Alonso"
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Maybe you are right, but you guys were middle of the pack in run D last year. Which makes me question how effective at keeping linemen off your backers the defense really was.

I didn't watch EVERY Eagles game but I watched 10+ and I don't recall ever thinking, wow, this run D is stellar.


You may be right and maybe I just missed it, but eye test and stats would appear to be iffy on your thesis.

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139. "he'll be better, cheaper, and younger than demarco ryans"
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you yourself admit he has experience in both defenses
so all that other noise is whatever, let's see the kid in training camp first fcs

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140. "The team was fifth in yards per run allowed"
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So the stats do back up what I am saying and your "eye test" needs some work

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142. "RE: The team was fifth in yards per run allowed"
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Interesting because clearly teams also felt comfortable enough to continue running on them enough that they ended up middle of the pack in total rushing yards allowed.

Either way, I don't expect Alonso to be a total failure or anything but clearly we disagree on how dominant Philly's front 3 are. I got nothing against Chip or the Eagles, if I'm wrong, I'll be wrong.

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143. "Our offensive pace and limited ToP results in..."
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the defense facing more plays which equals more runs against...even with the defense being on the field for long times each game, they were still top 5 in rush yards allowed per run, that makes it even more impressive and a huge reason why we value depth so highly on our d-line because we constantly rotate. Total yards stats do not take any consideration of number of plays so it's far less telling than yards per play.

Clearly you are going to believe what you want to believe regardless of what the most telling stats say...no point for me to engage any further.

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145. "RE: Our offensive pace and limited ToP results in..."
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At the same time they got pounded on the ground by teams like SF and Seattle. Gave up yards to a Packers team that will quit running the minute you stop them.

Alternatively, they did well against Dallas on the ground.


But I also look at last year's schedule and don't see a bunch of great rushing teams.


I am ready to accept that the front 3 are above average as a unit, or even good, but Thornton, Cox, Logan, Curry, Hart, does not strike me as a fearsome unit.

Like I said though, if I am wrong, I'll be wrong. I hope Kelly is successful in Philly and have been of that mind from the beginning.

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146. "no team really beat us with their ground game last year, seriously."
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148. "RE: no team really beat us with their ground game last year, seriously."
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Okay, obviously you guys are pretty confident. I could easily be wrong.

The caveats I offer are the same as I outlined above.

When they did play strong running teams, the result was a mixed bag. Snuffed out the Boys ground game twice but got royally gouged by Seattle and SF.

So that could go either way too.


If they can keep Alonso clean, which is clearly what Eagles fans in this thread think, he will thrive.

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151. "RE: no team really beat us with their ground game last year, seriously."
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>Okay, obviously you guys are pretty confident. I could easily
>be wrong.
>
>The caveats I offer are the same as I outlined above.
>
>When they did play strong running teams, the result was a
>mixed bag. Snuffed out the Boys ground game twice but got
>royally gouged by Seattle and SF.
>
I'm not sure where you get 'royally gouged' in the Seattle game.

Wilson made a couple plays with his legs off broken plays.

Lynch was held to 3.5 yards a rush and under 100 yards rushing.

They got killed by Seattle's defense and by their passing attack.

Gore had a nice game in San Fran, easily the best a back had against them all season but again that game was dictated by San Fran's defense (which kept the Eagles from crossing the 50 until the final four minutes of the game) and a couple improv pass plays (like the one Kaep threw across his body to Gore on the opposite side of the field that caught Marcus Smith's wack ass watching).

There was absolutely no game they played all season where you could argue the Eagle defense being unable to stop the rush was even a Top 3 factor in the game.

>So that could go either way too.
>
>
>If they can keep Alonso clean, which is clearly what Eagles
>fans in this thread think, he will thrive.

I have no idea what to make of Alonso coming off his second ACL surgery and playing in a 3-4.

I'm a lot less sold on that then most I suppose.

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144. "you have to factor in pace, teams get more possessions in Eagle games."
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>Interesting because clearly teams also felt comfortable
>enough to continue running on them enough that they ended up
>middle of the pack in total rushing yards allowed.
>
Conversely this is why I like to point out to Eagle Fans talking about our Top 3-5 Offense in terms of yards/points/etc need to take a look at the fact we only finished 15th in points-per-possession.

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149. "You're trying to argue with people who actually watch the Eagles and"
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study the team with much more intensity than you do.

The strength of this team's defense was clearly it's run D and the front 7. No one is saying they are elite. They are however, pretty stellar and consistent - especially at stopping the run.

Kiko will fit in just fine with our defense provided he recovers fully from his ACL injury. He's fast, athletic, and is a great tackler. He should be an upgrade over an aging Demeco Ryans who is coming off a pretty serious injury (torn achilles). He'll provide much greater range in coverage. And let's not downplay the importance of having 3 down LB's in a 3-4. Demeco was becoming a liability in coverage. Love the guy tho and I hope he's brought back for a value deal.

  

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150. "RE: You're trying to argue with people who actually watch the Eagles and"
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>study the team with much more intensity than you do.
>

I thought it was a reasoned discussion. On my part anyway. When given information that seemed to contradict what I was saying I said it was interesting and worth thinking about.


>The strength of this team's defense was clearly it's run D and
>the front 7. No one is saying they are elite. They are
>however, pretty stellar and consistent - especially at
>stopping the run.

I would argue someone was saying they are elite. Regardless, I clearly was not saying they were trash and during the discussion, allowed that they are better than I thought.


>
>Kiko will fit in just fine with our defense provided he
>recovers fully from his ACL injury. He's fast, athletic, and
>is a great tackler.

Exactly what I said regarding his attributes. The fit was my only question, and that was born form watching him play in a 3-4 in college and consistently get mauled. I said from the beginning if they can keep him clean he will do really well. You guys say they will have no no trouble keeping him clean, so, cool.

He should be an upgrade over an aging
>Demeco Ryans who is coming off a pretty serious injury (torn
>achilles). He'll provide much greater range in coverage.

Agreed.

And
>let's not downplay the importance of having 3 down LB's in a
>3-4. Demeco was becoming a liability in coverage.

Agreed.



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157. "No shade intended. The Eagles front 7 was legitimately good this year"
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Even 'elite' in some spurts here and there, but ultimately just solid (I'd put them in the top 5-10 range). They kept the team defense from being one of the all time worst. I get frustrated when people downplay them because they brought it every game and were one of the few bright spots of the team this past year.

Go back and watch that Seattle game. It was our front 7 that kept us in the game. Time after time they would force a 3rd and long only for our secondary to shit the bed. Fletcher Cox and Mychal Kendricks played the best game of anyone in that game. They flat out dominated. But our offense sucked and our secondary upped the ante on the shitty play.

About Kiko's size. Kendricks was really light in that ass when he got here in Philly. His first season or two he really got eaten up and driven back by OL. It took him a good year or two to really bulk up and hold his own. I'm assuming the same is true with Kiko. I watched him make a lot of instinctive plays behind the line. And he's highly prized because of his versatility.

  

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147. "Now that I've had to time to calm down and look at this rationally,"
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I still don't like it.

It's just hard to part with Shady no matter how you look at it.

But obviously its just a part of a larger plan so I have to reserve judgement until I see what Chip does in the draft and FAgency.

Hopefully he spends this cash on a new secondary that's worth a damn and get this defense fixed. At this point I'll be shocked if we don't get Mariota, so the rest is just a replacement for Shady and some line depth. Still haven't really replaced DJax, but whatever. Let's see where this goes, this shit better make sense in the end. His hard-on for Ducks scares me though.

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152. "what's annoying is we had the money anyway, so they're gonna really have"
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to go a long way to prove to me this was a move they needed to do.

They keep trading or releasing starters and in some cases our most productive offensive players while getting absolutely nothing in return.

To say the jury is out on Chip Kelly as a GM/talent-evaluation guy is putting it mildly.

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153. "Exactly, it wasn't a cap issue. IMO Chip just wants his own guys in"
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and Andy's/Howie's out. I wonder how much this trade had to do with the power struggle, because it seems obvious to me that moving Shady was decided before the season ended.

I wasn't sold on Chip since day 1, and now that he has free reign it scares me. I don't know if it's ego, if it's a lack of appreciation for talent at this level or what but his approach to player personnel decisions and the rumors of his draft preferences that were held in check by Howie doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.

I still can't wrap my head around why so many fans give Chip the benfit of the doubt, especially after the DeSean fiasco, which he really couldn't have blundered any worse.

But we will see. Now that he has complete control, maybe he will go nuts spending and get "his guys". I'm hopeful this will end up a positive, but I'm not optimistic.

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155. "keep an eye out for Kendricks possibly moved rather than re-upped now"
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156. "according to Shady himself, he knew he wasn't gonna be back.."
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due to he and Chip's relationship being strained. I think that's pretty telling.

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158. "at least Chip modeling the Eagles after a CFB team that won natl titles"
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159. "RE: at least Chip modeling the Eagles after a CFB team that won natl tit..."
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Guess he didn't realize he got hired to build something other than the type of system that made him famous. Probably shouldn't have deviated from the Eagles proven championship formula.

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160. "Exactly. Anybody expecting him to do things in a conventional way is"
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deluding themselves. You don't go from being the offensive coordinator at Univ. of New Hampshire to the head coach of the Eagles in span of a half dozen years by being conventional. Chip's going to do things his way. He may fall flat on his face, but at least he'll go down swinging.

Lurie and the Eagles front office knew what they were doing when they got him. They are cool that his vision may be vastly different from most coaches.

I have no idea if he will deliver on his promise. But fuck it, what else does the franchise have to lose at this point? You don't win championships by playing it safe or doing things in a conventional way. Look at how Pete Carroll built the Seahawks. It took awhile (3 years or so), but he eventually got the team he was seeking to build. Of course it doesn't hurt that he lucked in to drafting Russell Wilson (he paid big $ for Charlie fucking Whitehurst).

  

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161. "Yea its real unconventional to trade talent because they don't"
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162. "When have you ever expressed an opinion of the Eagles that isn't "
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steeped in your own bias against the team? We get it, you hate all things Eagles, save for a few individual players.

If you read my post you will note that I never predicted nor expect Chip to deliver us a championship. I would say the results thus far are favorable to him. You can't argue with back to back winning seasons given the team he inherited.

Your opinion of the Shady trade is nothing but your own biased opinion. What evidence do you have that Chip put his own ego above Shady? Perhaps he did. But so what? It's HIS team. He's got to create the team that matches his vision. Perhaps he believes more in platooning the RBs. What good is it to pay a back $12 mill when you can get 3 for half that? Maybe he sees the $ would be better allocated toward improving the defense. Maybe he learned from the DJax fiasco that if you know you aren't going to retain All Pro talent, then you need to get what you can get before letting them play out their contract only to get cut and receive no compensation in return.

I hate seeing Shady go. Trust me on that. As a lifelong resident of the 717, he's one my favorite Eagles of all time. I wanted him to play out his potential HOF career in midnight Green. Oh well, that's life in the NFL these days.

Again, this could all blow up in his face. But so what? It ain't like this franchise has SB rings to fall back on. If this blows up, it's all on Chip. He's got maybe 1-2 years to turn this team into a contender or he could be seeing the door.

  

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163. "RE: Maybe he learned from the DJax fiasco "
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that if you know you aren't going to retain All Pro talent, then you need to get what you can get before letting them play out their contract only to get cut and receive no compensation in return."

uhh, that's not the way I remember it...

the Eagles track record with player relations is abysmal since the days of Reggie White (had to leave to get $$$)

sheeeiiiittt, Randall retired instead of playing for the eagles

so when you luck up in the draft

land a homegrown talent that turns out to be an all-pro

franchise career leader

the one FUCKING THING YOU DO IS PAY THE MAN!

what kind of message do you think the DJax and now Shady kiss offs send to the rest of the league?



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167. "You guys are delusional this is classic EAGLES mantra sell talent"
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get mediocre role players who fit some mythical system that never wins because the FRANCHISE is too damn CHEAP.

This team is gonna crash and burn its several holes on it already and 50 million under the cap or not yall now need

a WR maybe two Racist Reily is trash

A RB

two to three CBs

A Defensive end

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164. "i dont really gaf about the eagles. that was a dart at Oregon."
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168. "You don't say!"
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Terrible program Chip built over there in Eugene. Fucked up their legendary championship tradition worse than he is doing with the Eagles storied history.

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172. "Chip just took the reins from Belotti"
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Lol at the rest

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169. "In classic Eagles fashion let go of all pro talent get older and cheaper..."
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http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/03/eagles_frank_gore.html


Eagles showing serious interest in 49ers running back Frank Gore
Frank Gore
San Francisco 49ers running back Frank Gore (21) runs off the field after an NFL football game against the Arizona Cardinals in Santa Clara, Calif., Sunday, Dec. 28, 2014. (AP Photo/Marcio Jose Sanchez) (Marcio Jose Sanchez)
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The Eagles, after trading LeSean McCoy to the Buffalo Bills, might have found his replacement.

A person with knowledge of the situation, who requested anonymity, told NJ Advance Media that the Eagles have expressed interest in free-agent running back Frank Gore.

That person said a deal with the San Francisco 49ers star could get done as early as Tuesday, the first day free agents can sign with another team.

At this point, teams are not allowed to offer contracts to free agents. It is not clear how much it might cost the Eagles to sign Gore.

Gore, 31, finished last season with 1,106 yards on 255 carries and four touchdowns. One of 13 running backs to gain more than 1,000 yards last season, he ranked 10th among backs in the NFL.

Gore ran behind one of the top offensive lines in the NFL. ProFootball Focus ranked the Niners' as the ninth-best unit in the league last season. The Eagles finished second overall on the list.

His 4.3 yards per carry average was nearly identical to McCoy's 4.2 yards per carry.

Gore had a season high 119 rushing yards and a 55-yard touchdown reception in the 49ers' Week 4 win over Eagles last season.

McCOY: Ex-Eagles RB close to new contract with Bills
How much of the workload Gore will get next season remains to be seen. If he joins the team, it's likely he will be the most experienced player on the roster.

The Eagles' need for a running back increased when they traded McCoy last week. They have Chris Polk (who they tendered as an unrestriced free agent), Darren Sproles, Kenjon Barner and Matthew Tucker on the roster.

There were rumblings on Saturday that the team might be interested in New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram, but Ingram re-signed before being able to accept other offers.

The free agency period is expected to be a busy one for the Eagles, who have approximately $46 million in salary-cap space.

Eliot Shorr-Parks may be reached at eshorrpa@njadvancemedia.com. Follow him on Twitter @EliotShorrParks. Find NJ.com Sports on Facebook.

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170. "SHADY SHOULD HAVE RETIRED AN IGGLE!!!"
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