http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=2015&p1=dragigo01&y2=2015&p2=knighbr03&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=


Knight is better in the advanced stats

Knight is much, much younger

So who is better at the game of basketball?

I just want plea cops and excuses

I also want an argument for why Dragic is discussing
the max. This means Knight gets the max too, right?

Honest questions.



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teams are looking at what he did last year.


I don't think he's a 20 mil a year pg tho.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

>teams are looking at what he did last year.

You mean the one outlier year? He had 10 WS last
year, and never had more than 5.7 any other year.

So why don't we think that THIS year is his norm and
last year the outlier?


Honest question.


>I don't think he's a 20 mil a year pg tho.


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>So why don't we think that THIS year is his norm and
>last year the outlier?

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Because that's what all NBA 3rd team said and its
associated argument that last year was his norm.


Give him the ball, and he's better than Kyrie or John
Wall.


Okay, you're on record.


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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

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"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

It won't help, though, especially because Korver and
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Context, it do matter.

It's also why the pro Dragic crowds are kings of the cyse. Ooooo, look at the pretty numbers. Ooooo, blame the lack of W/L impact for those pretty numbers on a terrible supporting cast that isn't actually terrible. Oooo, ignore the fact that if Dragic were as good as last year's numbers suggested, the Suns should've made the playoffs.

Dragic a very good point guard in a league filled with very good point guards. he's probably top ten. he's not top five. knight probably has had a better season, and i don't see any reason why a team couldn't legitimately prefer knight as a long-term solution.

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"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

I like the new non-academic Bshellys

Just as white and cuddly, not nearly as pretentious



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but post trade and pre bosh announcement, people were talking about the heat as titles contenders. FOH. dragic's advanced stats are exactly like korvers, in the sense that they inflate his true worth as a player because they came in the absolute perfect situation. anyone who banks on dragic or korver to repeat these levels of production in a different situation is going to be disappointed.

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"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

Because that's the only thing that matters here.

If the analytics crowd doesn't explicitly say that they
upgraded, they are full of shit.

Period.


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>Ooooo, look at the pretty numbers. Ooooo, blame the lack of
>W/L impact for those pretty numbers on a terrible supporting
>cast that isn't actually terrible. Oooo, ignore the fact that
>if Dragic were as good as last year's numbers suggested, the
>Suns should've made the playoffs.

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/SubMarcosHorseFromAfar.jpg

My man has a slow day at work and he wants to have some fun and you guys let him do this to you every time cause yall are too scared/tired to get into it with him. You pussyfoot around some arguments that agree with what he's saying for the most part.

OE still rolling out analytics arguments to fight Guiness' ghost. Yes Rex, there is nobody on this board that agrees with the fundamentalist analytics approach guinny took--not even close.


Ayhow. I dont see how this is an analytics argument. Dragic isnt an analytics darling. Are there analytics articles written about him like that?

I mean Miami the team that traded for him and has first option to sign him for the max this summer is one of the non-analytics teams because Riles is in the front office.

The other top 2 rumored teams that want to throw a max at Dragic this summer are the Lakers (No analytics dept) and Knicks (they may have just started their analytics team in the past 2 years but cant remember).

At most this should be a white/race post.

Dragic is able to "command" the max because he was 3rd team ALL NBA last season in a league full of pgs, thats phenomenal stuff--until you consider he probably won that award because well, he's white.

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i'm so confused. analytics tell you the two aren't far apart so sign whoever is cheaper. it's Pat Riley and traditional journos talking max contracts.

but everydecent player on the market will get a max or so because the cap is about to explode. so....
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Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilariou

Because according to analytics, they got a younger, upward
trending player


If someone can explain this to me, I'd be good and happy


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And not one of race?


There was a poll made last week by Cenario last week and if I remember correctly most people who voted on this board had dragic rated higher than knight-- and they weren't "analytics" guys.

Brandon knight developed a bad rep prior to this season- justified or not.
This has t even been one full season that he's been good.

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I give people a chance.


Now if niggas keep copping pleas?


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http://tinyurl.com/ofnkavr


But I give the world a chance first

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People only watch us for Giannis highlights
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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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>My man has a slow day at work and he wants to have some fun
>and you guys let him do this to you every time cause yall are
>too scared/tired to get into it with him. You pussyfoot around
>some arguments that agree with what he's saying for the most
>part.

yeah, nobody ever gets into it with O_E on here.


>At most this should be a white/race post.
>
>Dragic is able to "command" the max because he was 3rd team
>ALL NBA last season in a league full of pgs, thats phenomenal
>stuff--until you consider he probably won that award because
>well, he's white.

LOL - Dragic won that because he was stellar last year. if anything he should've been 2nd Team All-NBA.

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younger and trending up. dragic is what dragic is--a good, not great star. knight is now about that level (though his offense isn'y dragic level yet) and could continue to get better. He might be the next Kyle Lowry--getting hated on and then suddenly, people give him a chance and he's good (Lowry was always a dragic level offensive bonus to his team).

but that's the analytics side. analytics would basically tell you from a cursory look that the correct answer is whichever is cheaper is probably the one you should sign as they're not very unequal. and, all things considered, go with the younger guy when in doubt.

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Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilariou

and 40% lower than it was last season.

I remember analytics hated Carmelo's high usage rate,
said that truly efficient scorers don't need that high
a usage rate

Like Harden -- he actually had a higher WS/48 his last
year in OKC than he did his first two in Houston (he's
killing this year, though)

Now we're copping pleas for Brandon Knight having BOTH a higher
usage rate AND being more efficient?

LOL. It just means he's doing more is more efficient
in doing more

especially with PG's, since a PG needs to ball in his hands. Dragic is less effective than last season because he has fewer opportunities.

>especially with PG's, since a PG needs to ball in his hands.
>Dragic is less effective than last season because he has fewer
>opportunities.

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happy with what John and E-Bled got. But if they talking about giving Dragic 20 per yr which is what I've been hearing than I got problems.

<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

Again, in the right situation that could be a good deal. But him at 15 where he is the primary ball handler?
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Dragic is gonna look like, well every other year of Dragic with Whiteside and what's left of Wade
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justified or not he'll get 9-13 mill.

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But I was one of the people who ranked Knight ahead of Dragic in that other post, so maybe I'm not the person to ask.

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Dragic was 3rd team all nba last year.
I know some voters had him as high as 2nd team.

This year with the addition of Isaiah Thomas,
he was getting the ball 40% less.

He finishes at the rim at the rate of like Lebron.
And though 28, came into league same year as Westbrook,
has 4000 less minutes on his legs... So he's a really
young 28.

Knight has caught flack for that game winning missed layup
and actually trying when DeAndre Jordan jumped in the air
to dunk the ball... but he's done nothing but improve his game.

That being said, I like Dragic more. While he is a scoring PG,
he's shown a knack for getting in the lane and finding open shooters,
and when he does look for his shot when in the lane, he finishes.

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Russy Westbrook didn't make any of the teams last year.

Neither did Kyrie Irving.

Neither did John Wall.

All three are unquestionably better than Dragic,
and by a significant amount.

I need convincing that he's better than Mike Conley.

Hell, he's closer to Ty Lawson than he is the Top 5.



>Dragic was 3rd team all nba last year.
>I know some voters had him as high as 2nd team.

He's no better than the 8th best point guard in the
league, at his absolute best.

And he's not even close to top 10 THIS season.


So all this "Third team" shit from last year is LOL



>This year with the addition of Isaiah Thomas,
>he was getting the ball 40% less.

>He finishes at the rim at the rate of like Lebron.
>And though 28, came into league same year as Westbrook,
>has 4000 less minutes on his legs... So he's a really
>young 28.

LOL -- he was playing basketball before that. He didn't
START playing when he got drafted. He's 28 years old.

>Knight has caught flack for that game winning missed layup
>and actually trying when DeAndre Jordan jumped in the air
>to dunk the ball... but he's done nothing but improve his
>game.


Translation: Knight is about as good at 23 as Dragic is
about 28. And much better by advanced analytics.


>That being said, I like Dragic more. While he is a scoring
>PG,
>he's shown a knack for getting in the lane and finding open
>shooters,
>and when he does look for his shot when in the lane, he
>finishes.

He might be better today. Analytics doesn't demonstrate that.

And he's five years older.

>Russy Westbrook didn't make any of the teams last year
>
>Neither did Kyrie Irving.
>
>Neither did John Wall.
>
>All three are unquestionably better than Dragic,
>and by a significant amount.
>
>I need convincing that he's better than Mike Conley.
>
>Hell, he's closer to Ty Lawson than he is the Top 5.

Yes, they were.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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You said when Dragic gets the ball, he's superior
to Kyrie Irving and John Wall ( maybe Russell Westbrook).

That his greatness is so conditional proves my point,
however, that advanced stats aren't robust to fluctuations
is circumstance like Dragic from last year to this year,
and therefore, only tell you how good a player is in a given
situation, something we don't need advanced stats for.

Either that is true OR Dragic is a worse basketball player
this year, in which case the Suns ungraded by getting a
player superior by advanced stats measures.

You know I only enter arguments I can't lose these days. Niggas
ain't got time for that.

Westbrook missed half the season though, that's why he didn't make All-NBA last year.


>That his greatness is so conditional proves my point,
>however, that advanced stats aren't robust to fluctuations
>is circumstance like Dragic from last year to this year,
>and therefore, only tell you how good a player is in a given
>situation, something we don't need advanced stats for.
>
>Either that is true OR Dragic is a worse basketball player
>this year, in which case the Suns ungraded by getting a
>player superior by advanced stats measures.

it's not an either/or proposition. Dragic is a better basketball player right today, but Knight being 5 years younger and alot cheaper makes Knight a better asset for Phoenix.


>You know I only enter arguments I can't lose these days.
>Niggas
>ain't got time for that.

LOL

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If you look at Steve Nash's pre-MVP career trajectory it was similar to Dragic's expect Nash played on a contender once he became a full-time starter & the point guard position wasn't as deep as it is today. Nash actually didn't make the All-Star or All-NBA team in his last season w/ the Mavs & actually got outplayed by Bibby in the playoffs. His usage rate also plummeted once Shimmy Walker/Jamison were brought in after Nash had successful played alongside Van Exel the previous season where he was All-NBA 3rd team. Nash was also a young 29 when he signed w/ the Suns thus Dragic still can have a 2nd career if he stay healthy.

On the other hand, Knight's career trajectory is similar to Jason Terry's early career as a Hawks as they are both jump-shooting combo guards who play PG b/c they don't have the size to check 2 guards. JET was eventually converted into a 6th man b/c he didn't have the floor vision to be a starter on a championship contender but was able to flourish as a 6th man b/c he was simply looked upon to provide a scoring punch rather than run the offense.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
http://40.media.tumblr.com/d8e2daf9f3f37244cd05436bcdf05973/tumblr_mt4qibKq4c1rgam01o1_1280.png

Dragic is not the playmaker that Nash was.

Knight is no worse a ball handler or playmaker than
many elite point guards who can score.

Nash was a backup to a HOF point guard in his first 2 seasons & he never stood out until he became a full-time starter in his 5th season just like Dragic. They also became All-NBA guards in their 6th season when they were both 27. Their careers started to diverge in their 7th season w/ the acquisition of Isaiah which affected Dragic's usage rate but Nash also suffered the same fate in the 8th season w/ the acquisition of Walker/Jamison. Nash redeemed himself in his 9th season but Dragic is still in his 8th season & got traded midseason.....so we'll see how Dragic fares next season. I'm not saying he's going to win the MVP but he could be an MVP candidate ala Lowry if the Heat are one of the top 2-3 teams the East ala the Raptors.

On the other hand, JET/BK are similar type of players & I've made the comparison in a previous poAst. Unless BK dramatically improves his playmaking skills I just don't see him an a starting PG for a contender unless he's playing w/ a point forward(Bron) or a ball dominant 2 guard (Harden). If you look at their early careers, JET actually had a higher assist rate than BK at the same point of their career & JET even averaged over 7 assists in his 4th season good for 6th in the entire league. You also have guys like Devin Harris who had similar playmaking skills & eventually became combo guards. The Suns basically traded for BK to be a combo guard as Bledsoe is the starting PG.

As far as their career trajectory, both BK/JET started their careers as starting PGs on mediocre teams & although productive they were both eventually traded away to another team who was looking to fill a void left by a former All-NBA guards. JET became a combo guard in his 3rd season w/ the Mavs while BK is basically going to be a combo guard as long as he's playing w/ Bledsoe.

Another thing JET/BK share:

JET: http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/10/25/LeBronTerryDunk.gif
vs.
BK: http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2300537/deandrethunderdunk.gif

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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This is why advanced stats are a joke.

They only work in some contexts and not others and therefore,
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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilariou

Lulllz

>They only work in some contexts and not others and therefore,
>can never be used to make an entire argument.
>

why are you still arguing with guinness when he hasn't posted in like 2 years?

>why are you still arguing with guinness when he hasn't posted
>in like 2 years?



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>They only work in some contexts and not others and therefore,
>can never be used to make an entire argument.


This was said multiple times in the last analytics post in which you were ranting and raving in


>
>
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>
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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

So Haralbob Volgairs, noted NBA gambler, took to Twitter last night to complain that the Wolves were playing Wiggins 38 minutes in a game, because omg don't you know sports science has conclusively proved that playing minutes is bad?

I pointed out that minutes may not have the same negative impact in long term health for young players.

Haralbob: "tell me more, professor."

Me: a reply offering to build him models for a fee and a link to the wiki on logistic growth curves.

For some reason, he got silent.

But anyway, perfect example of how OE's trolltastic crusade is rooted in truth. In an effort to seem smart, people rely on fancy but flawed statistics, try to generalize results from a narrow study way too broadly, and numerous other things that any real quant person will tell you is a bad, bad idea. In the rush to accept advanced analysis (not just quant), we can't overlook the fundamental necessity to constantly validate our measures, results, etc.

And on the validation front, we have good reason to believe the impact of such analyses in basketball has been overstated. Yes, the Spurs won a title, and they used multiple advanced methodologies to gain an edge in player evaluation, coaching, etc. But Chuck was right that little of it matters if they don't draft Duncan, Parker, and Ginoblli in the pre analytics era, and Popp figured out pace and space well before analysis was sophisticated enough to influence the decision. memphis's success has almost nothing to do with Hollinger. Etc.

...or maybe bitchslapping a noted NBA personality made me feel warm and tingly and I wanted to brag about it.

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"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

THM and I were talking about how he cites analytics but he also knows the game of basketball.

If you can make what he's made off sports gambling youre doing something right.

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lol i wonder why he stopped responding

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he's made his own models which have paid him money.

http://www.businessinsider.com/sweat-in-the-game-a-gamblers-grind-in-the-nba-2011-4

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So I called him on it and gave him a little snark back. Since I have to apparently spell it out, i wasn't actually trying to get a job. "Let me model that for you" is quant trash talk.

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>So I called him on it and gave him a little snark back. Since
>I have to apparently spell it out, i wasn't actually trying to
>get a job. "Let me model that for you" is quant trash talk.

He uses analytics but also watches A LOT of basketball.


Why wasnt that filed under conventional wisdom is to not play guys so many minutes when youre on a losing team that has no chance to win.

Did he put in any stats or analytics to back up the minutes thing?


He was just ranting like he often does.

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Three quick ones (one very similar to the argument you made)

i. As you said, young legs have less total damage, are further
from whatever(theoretical) mechanical breaking point that
we associate with aging and "decline." This is important if, as
many believe, aging is a non-linear process where wear and
tear happens faster the more wear and tear you have.

ii. Young legs recover faster. So not only is Wiggins far
removed from his decline breaking point, he is more likely to
revert back to "fully rested" mode.


iii. A key one: Wiggins is in a very important
cognitive-basketball developmental window, where repetition
is crucial, and so the minutes now, even if they do cost him
time at the end of the career (unlikely but possible), are probably
more important for defining the amplitude of his peak during his prime. Allowing him to work out the kinks now, learning how to be
a teammate, finding a position, etc is a better financial
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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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The big buzz is this paper on analytics for defense defense

http://grantland.com/features/department-of-defense/
(written by your boy Kirk)

Here's the actual paper:
On first flythrough I like the direction is going. For all the Offensive analytics out there, there's jack shit for defense which in nature is a lot less quantifable. The cool thing is with tracking data, a whole new data set is available to try to figure if anything useful can be made from it.

http://www.sloansportsconference.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/SSAC15-RP-Finalist-Counterpoints2.pdf

Here is the abstract:
Alexander Franks*, Andrew Miller*, Luke Bornn, and Kirk Goldsberry
Harvard University,
Cambridge, MA, 02138
Email: afranks@fas.harvard.edu, acm@seas.harvard.edu
*These authors contributed equally to this work.
Abstract
Due to the ease of recording points, assists, and related goal-scoring statistics, the vast majority of advanced
basketball metrics developed to date have focused on offensive production. It is straightforward to see who
scored the most points in the 1985/86 season (Alex English, with 2414) or took the most 3-point shots in
1991/92 (Vernon Maxwell, with 473). However, try to look up who had the most points against in
2013/14, or who prevented the most shots from being taken that year, and the history books are,
remarkably, empty. Thus we stand in a muddled state where offensive ability is naturally quantified with
numerous directly-measured numbers, yet we attempt to explain defensive ability through statistics only
loosely related to overall defensive ability, such as blocks and steals. Alternatively, we quote
regression-based metrics such as adjusted plus/minus which give no insight into how or why a player is
effective defensively. This paper bridges this gap, introducing a new suite of defensive metrics that aim to
progress the field of basketball analytics by enriching the measurement of defensive play. Our results
demonstrate that the combination of player tracking, statistical modeling, and visualization enable a far
richer characterization of defense than has previously been possible. Our method, when combined with
more traditional offensive statistics, provides a well-rounded summary of a player’s contribution to the final
outcome of a game.

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but most prominently is the question of how in the world you separate an individual's 'defensive rating' or whatever it is from the team / system they play in. Like if you take Steve Nash from the D'Antoni Suns and just swap him straight up for Tony Parker on the equivalent Spurs, what happens to their ratings? If it's truly a measure of individual value, it should be relatively stable what happens to their ratings, right? But yeah, whole lot of questions besides that, although I do appreciate what they're attempting with their modeling...

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I remember years back on here like four niggas wanted
me to write for magazines and blogs based on my PTP posts
and I declined, because talking about Tarantino isn't
worth the money

I like talking shit. I woof. That's how I was raised.
We feel something, we say something. I grew up with
older niggas calling me outside into the project courtyard
just to bag on my wrinkled jeans for 30-40 minutes

Its in my code

And I do analytics, but I'm not about to be breaking
arteries in my neck arguing about why Hollinger didn't
deserve to get that job

Its basically just saying that people in positions of power
don't know WTF they doing, and that white people make shit
up

There are no industries where that is not the case

None

So I'd rather do things my way

I am Elijah Muhammad, so I have to lead the people
my own way

Show them that clean glass of water, feel me


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

To me they are players of similar value in an all-things-equal situation and I find the max-ness of Dragic to be a little strange.

That said, Dragic is a UFA with more experience, whereas Knight is an RFA with less. Even if they both got the max, Knight would make less than Dragic.

Knight is going to get paid. Don't worry about him

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

Some of the reasons for preferring Dragic were mentioned above, Dragic's breakout season was a whole year, Knight's still working on his best year and people don't really watch the Bucks.

But if we're looking for advanced stats what I see mentioned is how even with Knight putting up his best numbers this season the Bucks still score at a much better clip when he hits the bench. This year in about 1600 minutes on the court the Bucks score 103 points per 100 possessions, in about 1000 minutes with Knight sitting the Bucks score 110.7 points per 100 possessions. This has been the story for pretty much his whole career.

In Dragic's big year last year the Suns were a good offense when Dragic and Bledsoe were on the floor together, scored at a elite level when Dragic played and Bledsoe was out, and scored at Sixer's level of awful whenever Dragic sat. That has evened out this year for Dragic but the plea cop is that with Bledsoe healthy and Isaiah Thomas in the mix he doesn't get to control the offense as much.

So I think that's the basic analytical argument in favor of Dragic, both guys are ball-dominant, offensive-minded PG's but even in a breakout year Knight's team scores better when he's off the court.

Remember when Lance Stephenson had one of the best +/-
ratios in the league?