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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12318808/the-philadelphia-76ers-radical-guide-winning

The 76ers' plan to win (yes, really)
Or: How one analytics-mad franchise learned to stop worrying and love the bomb
Originally Published: January 26, 2015
By Pablo S. Torre | ESPN The Magazine
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Steve Boyle
Call it a development year, of three, for franchise cornerstones Michael Carter-Williams, Joel Embiid and Nerlens Noel.
This story appears in ESPN The Magazine's March 2 Analytics Issue. Subscribe today!

THE ARCHITECT OF the ballsiest experiment in American sports would greatly appreciate it if this article disintegrated.

It's a snowy January afternoon in New York City, and Sam Hinkie and I are having a two-hour lunch inside an upscale, dimly lit restaurant on Park Avenue. This is no small concession: Hinkie, the hypercompetitive general manager of the Philadelphia 76ers, has a hyperactive brain that runs cost-benefit analysis as relentlessly as a normal human breathes oxygen. To label the 37-year-old press-shy would be woefully inadequate. By Hinkie's math, talking on the record, about pretty much anything, unfailingly grades out as a cost.

"Sam views everything said in public as information given away for free," one ex-colleague of his later explains. Or as Rockets GM Daryl Morey, Hinkie's previous boss, tells me, "In terms of personality, we're extremely different -- for better and for worse."

It was Morey who co-founded and presides over the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, an annual social event designed around the sharing of quantitative insight. Morey jousts media criticism, scraps with Charles Barkley on Twitter and urges questions on Reddit. By contrast, his protégé has spoken on the record precisely once since this season began. "They want us to be the same," Morey says, "but Sam is strategic in everything." And ever since Philadelphia's owners entrusted Hinkie with his very first front office, in May 2013, his mind has worked to obscure even the barest hint of competitive advantage for his team.

To anyone who has glimpsed said team, of course, all of this may sound somewhere between aggressively weird and tragicomically delusional.

More than any other franchise in memory, these 76ers have been derided for being not just uncompetitive but singularly anti-competitive. In a sport where the worst teams secure the best odds at the best draft picks, Philadelphia tied the NBA record for consecutive losses (26, an alphabet's worth of L's) last season. This season, the Sixers started 0-17, triggering a formal league vote on whether the draft lottery should be reformed altogether. (The proposal -- which would have cut the worst team's shot at the No. 1 pick from 25 percent to 11 percent -- fell six votes short.) On this depth chart, backup guard Jason Richardson is so old that his teammates recently gifted him a box of adult diapers for his birthday. He turned 34.

"If you're in tanking mode," Lakers co-owner Jeanie Buss recently told ESPN, throwing shade in Hinkie's general direction, "I think that's unforgivable." SLAM magazine declared the team "a flesh-eating bacteria of sorts on the NBA's collective self-respect." The league's former deputy commissioner, Russ Granik, testified to The New York Times, "I don't understand this strategy at all." By November, the national backlash had grown so overwhelming that Philadelphia's point guard, 23-year-old Michael Carter-Williams, wrote a defiant essay for the Players' Tribune, Derek Jeter's online publishing concern, titled "Don't Talk to Me About Tanking." "Grown men are going to purposely mail it in for a 1-in-4 shot at drafting somebody who might someday take their job?" Carter-Williams wrote. "Nope." The night it was posted, Dallas blew out the Sixers by 53.

So it was, before an 18-point December loss against the Celtics, that Hinkie and three team executives met with NBA commissioner Adam Silver in Philadelphia to attempt to assuage the league's tanking-related concerns. No, the Sixers weren't throwing games -- no one who has watched them can reasonably begin to believe they were. But for two years in a row, one might point out, Philadelphia's top two lottery picks, Nerlens Noel (No. 6 overall in 2013) and Joel Embiid (No. 3 in 2014), have both been conspicuously injured big men who couldn't take the court their rookie seasons. "The idea of a teardown was the right thing to do," one Eastern Conference scout says. "But for this second year, smart, reasonable people I know are curious as to why they put together such a bad team."

This curiosity, of course, is why Hinkie and I are at lunch in New York. And before he summons the Uber that will usher him to tonight's game in Brooklyn, I want the GM to share, on the record, how exactly it is that he put Silver at ease. I want Hinkie to share, on the record, exactly why he has put together such a woeful team. I want to him to share, on the record, whether he minds that a supposedly brainy front office so often gets called myopic and brain-dead.

But his cost-benefit analysis finds risk in even publicly acknowledging these questions. Or any other ones. No, Hinkie won't discuss how he and his head coach were hired. No, he won't comment on his transaction history and the quieter strategies he's pursued. The very last thing Hinkie wants to do is admit his bets on 1) injured prospects and foreign players, 2) a collective-bargaining-agreement-driven, pre-apocalyptic stockpile of second-round picks, and 3) wingspan and subpar shooters. These Sixers may feel like "an educated science project," as Brett Brown, their coach, puts it. But it is Hinkie who intentionally lets his silence breed intrigue, fermenting disgust for his experiment like mold in a petri dish.

BET 1: A BIRD IN THE HAND IS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH -- BUT SEVEN EGGS ARE WORTH MORE.
On draft day 2013, when Hinkie agreed to trade Jrue Holiday, a 23-year-old All-Star, for Nerlens Noel and a protected 2014 first-rounder, a rival Eastern Conference GM turned to his war room and declared: "They're crazy." Thaddeus Young, then a Sixers forward, tweeted one word: "OMG."

If the Sixers were trying to contend in the first year of Hinkie's tenure, these would be logical responses. But they weren't. And the fact that Noel had torn his left ACL four months earlier presented Philly with a two-pronged opportunity that no one else had the stomach to pursue. There was the price of the big man's talent, which was now discounted because of injury. (Noel had once been the projected top pick.) Then there was the injury timetable, which was now that much more palatable because, well, the Sixers had designs on the lottery in 2014 too. (Hinkie put Noel on what can only be called a "conservative" rehab program, sitting him all season as the team went 19-63.)

So when the 2014 draft came along and the Sixers had the No. 3 pick, perhaps it shouldn't have been surprising that Hinkie picked Joel Embiid, a would-be Hakeem Olajuwon, just as he had nabbed Noel. A 7-footer who might be the best prospect in the draft? Whose injury (a stress fracture in his right foot) dropped him across so many draft boards but not Hinkie's? Who wouldn't be asked to win as a rookie? Check, check and check.

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Seven-footer Joel Embiid, out with a foot injury, is on the Noel rehabilitation plan.
But injured players aren't the only way to invest in the future and divest from the present. Consider that with the 2014 first-rounder that Hinkie got for Holiday, he picked Elfrid Payton, a point guard coveted by Orlando, at No. 10. Hinkie then flipped Payton to Orlando for pick No. 12, a 2015 second-rounder and a 2017 first-rounder. With that No. 12 pick, Hinkie nabbed 20-year-old Dario Saric, a 6-foot-10 Croatian who has already been named the FIBA Europe Young Player of the Year twice.

Another front office might have been afraid to select a player who might not come to the U.S. for two years. But here, as with injury, the cost of a young, foreign centerpiece not immediately playing for the Sixers is exceptionally discounted. Even better, an NBA team doesn't even pay an overseas pick who has yet to suit up for it, meaning that the rest of the planet can effectively serve as a free minor league system. Hinkie, who has modeled exchange rates for foreign-to-domestic stats, has four other prospects -- all second-rounders -- still ripening in Turkey, Germany, China and Australia. For free.

As Brown says, "We talk often about having a very, very long lens." Philadelphia doesn't need their help -- doesn't want their help -- just yet.

THE FIRST TIME the owners of the 76ers rejected Hinkie, they were trying to figure out which NBA strategies to steal. In their day jobs, this was not a novel idea. In July 2011, when billionaire Josh Harris led a group of investors in purchasing the team for a reported $280 million from Comcast Spectacor, The New York Times declared, "Private Equity Princes Reach Deal for 76ers." Harris (a co-founder of Apollo Global Management) and co-managing owner David Blitzer (a partner at the Blackstone Group) are both ludicrously wealthy Wharton grads and Sixers diehards; another owner, David B. Heller, spent 23 years at Goldman Sachs. More than any other owners, they knew how to turn around distressed properties and how to replicate the best practices of unfamiliar industries. And now they wanted to win.

NBA title contention, for all its elusiveness, is depressingly simple. You need stars. In a five-on-five sport governed by salary caps, max contracts and rookie wage scales, the biggest talents double as both the biggest difference makers and biggest bargains. FiveThirtyEight found that of the past 40 teams to make the Finals, their No. 1 player, on average, ranked in the 96th percentile in statistical plus/minus. The No. 2 player was 90th percentile; the No. 3, 79th. The real question is how to acquire them.

In the summer of 2012, with Philly's then-president, Rod Thorn, acting as general manager, the new ownership identified two organizational models, Sixers executives tell me. The first was the approach of the Spurs and Thunder, franchises renowned for developing players and internal basketball culture. The other was the method used by 
the Celtics and Rockets, franchises renowned for command of the NBA's arcane CBA and analytics. For the latter approach, Hinkie -- whom Morey had made the NBA's youngest VP in 2007 at age 29 -- fit the bill.

The 5-9 Hinkie had graduated at the top of his class at Oklahoma's Marlow High (where he started at point guard and defensive back), at the University of Oklahoma (where he majored in finance) and at Stanford Business School (where he resolved to work in sports, shedding a résumé heavy in management consulting and private equity). In 2005, not long after leaving Palo Alto, Hinkie joined the Rockets, working up from special assistant to Morey's deputy two years later, managing the salary cap and championing data collection -- once calling himself Customer Zero of the motion-tracking SportVU cameras now installed in every NBA arena. Morey, though, came to believe that evaluation was Hinkie's greatest skill. "He watches more basketball than anyone I know," the Rockets' GM says. "And he was on the road constantly." Hinkie insisted on quizzing team managers and van drivers in an effort to gather data on a college kid. He enthusiastically volunteered to visit one-prospect gyms from Eastern Washington to Istanbul.

But in 2012, during those first midsummer interviews with Sixers ownership, it was Hinkie's native tongue that resonated most. As a veteran of finance, he was fluent in the dispassionate language of expected value and probability. And in a world governed by random chance, Hinkie believed, as Harris and Blitzer did, that the process leading to a decision -- say, the selection and execution of a shot attempt or the logic of an investment -- should matter more than the result. That is why Hinkie saw value in measuring essentially everything in Houston, constructing financial models and running Monte Carlo simulations of the NBA season, investigating, among many other things, how certain players impact thousands of possible outcomes. That is why he also warned his prospective employers that by so investing in the present, they were treading down a dangerous path.

Months earlier, in the 2012 playoffs, the Sixers had won their only series since 2003, edging a hapless Bulls squad that had lost Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah to injuries in Games 1 and 3, respectively. In August, still high off its own fumes, Philly went all-in with a sequence of roster moves. Most radical of all: a four-way trade centered on Magic center Dwight Howard and Lakers center Andrew Bynum. The latter, who had just a year left on his contract, became a Sixer for an extraordinarily high cost: Philly's best player, Andre Iguodala; the No. 15 pick from June, Moe Harkless; a gifted young center, Nik Vucevic; and a 2017 first-rounder. Harris and Blitzer believed they were clearing the decks for a top-10, 96th-percentile-type player. But Hinkie, surveying payroll, delicately submitted that not only had they overvalued Bynum, but their 35-31 team might actually have been made worse.

Come September, the Private Equity Princes chose not to hire Hinkie (or any of their other Sloan-savvy favorites, Celtics assistant GM Mike Zarren among them). They instead opted to promote Tony DiLeo, a Sixers lifer they credited with helping Thorn acquire Bynum, from within.

After only one year in control, ownership had figured, the time wasn't yet right for a shake-up, not with their second playoff run imminent. Incumbent head coach Doug Collins, who still had a say in personnel matters, also viscerally loathed the data-driven approach. "I'd blow my brains out," Collins would tell reporters that October when asked about the possibility of consulting analytics.

And besides: As much as they were charmed by Hinkie's abstract ideas, they couldn't help but think skeptically. It all sounded great. But if they could just go out and get Bynum -- a talent who inspired fans to chant not only his name but also JOSH-UA HAR-RIS, at his first news conference -- why didn't Hinkie's Rockets already have a superstar of their own?

Such a question would be answered with a nightmare leavened only by absurdity. The Sixers finished 34-48 that 2012-13 season, tying for last in the division. Worst of all, Bynum wound up recording more bowling-related season-ending arthroscopic knee surgeries (one) than games played in a 76ers jersey.

Their would-be star was a hazardous fit -- sometimes even literally. One day, memorably, the rehabbing big man parked next to Aaron Barzilai, DiLeo's newly hired director of basketball analytics, in the parking lot of the team facility at the Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine. As Bynum shuffled inside, Barzilai noticed something on their would-be star's custom black Ferrari and called after him. Bynum, it turned out, had driven away from a gas station without removing the pump's nozzle and eight-
foot rubber hose, which he'd dragged, pythonlike, through the street.

That spring, Hinkie met Harris and Blitzer for dinner and another interview in Manhattan. Less than a year after their initial conversations, the contrast between ownership's personal probabilistic sensibility and the current administration's older-school tack stung. And Hinkie, as if to underscore that divergence, walked into dinner carrying a laptop, complete with a massively detailed PowerPoint presentation that Sixers executives now recall as an "investment thesis." Its centerpiece was a diagram that illustrated, arrow by arrow, transaction by transaction, how Houston had amassed the assets -- two first-rounders and a second-rounder, along with guards Kevin Martin and Jeremy Lamb -- to acquire superstar guard James Harden from the Thunder in October ... a month after the Sixers had hired DiLeo. Hinkie's abstract vision for artfully delayed NBA production suddenly felt concrete.

BET 2: A PENNY STOCK SAVED IS A PENNY STOCK EARNED.
The CBA is an all-important, demoralizingly confusing document that the Sixers scrutinize like billionaires searching for a tax loophole. So when the team cleared the balance sheets -- the payroll is now a meager $42.5 million, lowest in the league by $11 million -- it did so knowing certain opportunities in the market would follow.

Today, Philadelphia is so unencumbered by the current salary cap ($63.1 million) and luxury tax ($76.8 million) that it sits below the cap floor ($56.8 million). But many franchises struggle to create financial flexibility on a regular basis. Enter Hinkie, who is more than happy to take on others' contractual waste -- and dump it himself -- all for a small, negligible fee: a future second-round pick.

Throughout league history, the second-rounder has been the penny stock of hoops, the spiritual brother of baseball's player to be named later. But they're not valued that way by these Sixers, who collect the things like bingeing hoarders, amassing them via salary dumps and throw-ins on other deals. In last year's draft, Hinkie acquired or traded five second-round picks, not including his own; this June he'll have the rights to four more from other teams. Hell, he's acquired one for 2016, two for 2018, two for 2019 and one for 2020 already. Nobody else in the NBA has an extra 2020 pick -- very possibly because said pick might presently be 12 years old.

But to Philly, any second-rounder is both an embryonic trade chip and a lottery ticket that jumps in value come draft day, when some team will inevitably take a shining to a specific prospect without having the picks to draft him. When that happens, the Bank of Hinkie will be there -- ready to flip the second-rounder for cash (and profit); or to package it for another asset (and profit); or to keep it himself, hoping to sign the next Chandler Parsons, the eventual $46 million forward whom the Rockets drafted 38th overall in 2011 (and profit).

Consider Jerami Grant, whom Philly took 39th out of Syracuse in June. Grant signed a four-year deal that guaranteed his first two seasons for $885,000 and $845,000, respectively, some $300,000 more annually than the league-minimum salary of many second-rounders. That financial security was catnip to him and no sweat to the Sixers, who certainly have cap space on their delayed production schedule. But the key twist -- just as it was with Parsons -- is that the forward's third and fourth years are neither guaranteed nor big raises. This template led guard K.J. McDaniels, the 32nd pick in June, to reject Hinkie's four-year offer in favor of a one-year, unguaranteed deal. And by those latter two seasons, when the Sixers do plan to spend, Grant will be something very different: either an underpriced keeper -- "He's one of those guys, for me, that makes me want to hug Sam," Brown recently gushed -- or someone you can cut loose at zero cost. In both cases, he will be a team-friendly asset and maybe one day, if Hinkie plays his cards right, a detail in a PowerPoint slide.

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Sixers GM Sam Hinkie performs his least favorite activity -- giving information away for free.
HINKIE USHERED IN his tenure as general manager by tearing down the walls. Literally. Not long after his arrival, one of Hinkie's first acts was to graft the open plan of a Silicon Valley startup -- replete with whiteboards and squiggly lines -- onto the front office of a half-century-old organization. (A wholly state-of-the-art, 120,000-square-foot practice facility in Camden, New Jersey, is coming in 2016.) Virtually overnight, the Sixers went from not even having Microsoft Outlook to having mandated biometrics. From day one, Hinkie has had every player wear a fatigue-tracking GPS device, made by an Australian company called Catapult, at practice. The team would soon measure hydration and, thanks to take-home monitors, sleep.

Jason Richardson, the team's only pre-Hinkie holdover, was shocked: "As an old-school guy, it was a big wake-up call." The 14-year veteran watched as a franchise with one analytics-focused staffer under DiLeo came to employ 32-year-old VP of basketball operations Sachin Gupta, an MIT alum and Stanford MBA who was Morey's first hire in Houston, and 25-year-old VP of basketball strategy Ben "Wiz" Falk, a Maryland grad who's never played organized hoops but who impressed as the analytics manager for Portland. Both men stand well under 6 feet tall; alongside their boss, they must make up the shortest front office in the league.

When I asked Brett Brown, who was hired in August 2013, about Hinkie's diligence in hiring, he told me that his own interview experience often felt like "the gauntlet on one of those game shows where you have to run over a bridge and then something flies out and hits you, and the pole is slippery, and then another thing swings out and hits you." Spread wide over that summer, there was a phone call after Collins resigned, a meeting with Hinkie in Houston and another summit in New York, weeks after the draft, with four Sixers owners present. When Hinkie finally called with an offer, shortly after the New York meeting, Brown was in a Chevy Suburban headed to LaGuardia Airport, on his way back to San Antonio. Hinkie asked the Spurs assistant -- the man whom Gregg Popovich had made his first director of player development in 2002 -- to turn the car around.

By then, Brown had only one condition for employment. "I wouldn't have accepted the job if it wasn't for four years," he says. "I always get upset when people talk about trying to 'build a culture.' It takes time."

Brown, who won four rings with Popovich, would know. True to his Spurs lineage, which enticed ownership, the Maine native has seen the world, having spent 17 years coaching in Australia. (Tim Duncan, San Antonio's Hall of Fame big man, refers to Brown's hybrid, vowel-hammering accent as "Bostralian.") The son of two schoolteachers, the 54-year-old is also an extroverted learner who calls himself "one of the all-time great fans" of TED Talks. "I did my homework on the owners and Sam," Brown says. "I knew that this job was high-risk, high-reward: In a city as competitively brutal as Philadelphia, how do you create something that matters?"

Two years into Brown's four-year contract, Hinkie has handed his coach a staff of more than a dozen, with individuals responsible for everything from offense and defense, to analytics, to sports science, to video, to strength and conditioning. One basketball-ops staffer, Lance "Doc" Pearson, has a Ph.D. in cognitive and neural systems from Boston University and degrees in mathematics, computer science and philosophy from the University of Kentucky. Another guy, who teaches team-building part time, is a Navy SEAL.

Hinkie is fond of sending Brown selected articles by one of his idols, Warren Buffett. Brown is fond of bringing his entire team on field trips, like the one to a University of Pennsylvania lecture hall in October. There, the Sixers met MacArthur-winning psychologist Angela Lee Duckworth, whose TED Talk on grit -- which she defines as "passion and perseverance for very long-term goals" -- had touched a coach tasked with alchemizing failure into development. "I've never met anybody more positive than Coach Brown," undrafted forward Malcolm Thomas says. "We could lose by 30 and he'd still be like, 'You guys played your heart out! I'm proud of you!'"

But exertion -- as with any goal for these Sixers -- is more than a cliché. After every game, a squad of as many as eight staffers, under the direction of Pearson and assistant coach Vance Walberg, constructs something called an Effort Chart. Every Sixer, on every possession, is graded on five complex, proprietary criteria. On offense, for instance, the team wants to reward pace, so staffers time a player's first three steps when a miss is recovered. On defense, they'll recognize accomplishments such as contested shots, tips and deflections. Report cards, linked to video for review, are announced to the team. "We set it up as a competition," undrafted forward JaKarr Sampson gushes. Brown harps on the team average -- a score of 20 is high -- and denotes improvement in 10-game chunks.

The result: Hinkie's alleged collection of flesh-eating bacteria, anonymous as they are, actually try. "Development, for me, is everything," Brown tells me. "It lets me truly look at somebody and not feel like, 'We're going to cut you in a week or two weeks to get another draft pick.'"

Spend enough time around these Sixers, in fact, and you may notice something astonishing: A city known for whipping batteries at subpar outfielders and lustily booing Santa Claus at Veterans Stadium has not been proportionally vicious. Not as much as the rest of the country, at least. Sure, you might spot a winter cap with a small knitted tank bearing a 76ers logo sewn on top. Or, on Martin Luther King Day, two fans wearing paper bags on their heads with, "I have a dream ... but the 76ers traded it for a 2nd round pick" scrawled in black marker.

But the marketing department has slashed prices, invited kids to stand courtside during shootarounds and dispatched Brown into a conference room, before every hard-fought but inexorable loss, to personally mollify season-ticket holders. The team's official slogan, as euphemistically honest as possible: Together We Build.

The locker room lives by a different phrase, one that Hinkie underscores so often that it might as well be capitalized on a wall inside Wells Fargo Center. "They tell us every game, every day, 'Trust the Process,'" guard Tony Wroten says. "Just continue to build." The mantra is so pervasive that there is only one person on the team who even comes close to explicitly mentioning an NBA title -- a Result, instead of The Process -- when I ask about goals.

"It's always a championship," Brown says. "Why else would I do this?"

The next afternoon, my cellphone rings. It is the coach, and his Bostralian accent is verging on breathless. He was jogging through the streets of Philadelphia, he says, and he'd been stressing about his poor choice of words ever since we talked.

"We're trying to see what we have in Nerlens, what we have in Michael, what we have in Saric, in Joel," Brown clarifies. "We're trying to make sure that when our guys start getting older, or a legit free agent is attracted to our program, the infrastructure is in place to absorb it all. But none of us are beating our chests, saying that it's 100 percent certain we're going to get this right."

BET 3: WHEN THE WELL IS DRY, WE KNOW THE WORTH OF WATER.
Show up to a January shootaround at Wells Fargo Center, 120 minutes before tip-off, and two things quickly become apparent. First: These Sixers are conspicuously long-limbed -- 10 of the 14 athletes boast a wingspan at least six inches longer than their height. Second: With the remarkable exception of forward Robert Covington -- an undrafted, sweet-shooting 24-year-old with a 7-2 wingspan -- approximately none of them can, you know, shoot.

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A long-limbed point guard who can't shoot? MCW is a perfect fit on Hinkie's team.
This is no accident. It remains scientifically impossible to develop arm length, an underrated characteristic on defense. ("Sam is very studied in regards to that," Brown says.) But as Spurs wing Kawhi Leonard has verified, it is possible to grow a prospect's shooting ability over time. And Philly, forcing turnovers at a league-high 15.6 percent through the All-Star break but shooting a league-low 41 percent, is incentivized to wait on such a large-scale renovation. If the Sixers happen to have one of the worst offenses in history in the meantime, boosting their odds in the draft lottery? That's no accident either. The 2008-09 Thunder pulled off a version of this with Russell Westbrook, who led the league in turnovers as a rookie point guard as the team went 23-59. The next year, Oklahoma City took Harden at No. 3.

Hinkie, as part of his drive to measure everything, tracks each shot his players take, not just in games but also shootarounds and practices. "You can't hide," Richardson says. Some of the tallying is by hand; some of it is noted off video. Brown uses the data to see which players "are investing time into development," he says, and doles out playing time and in-game privileges accordingly. "It's crazy," Noel says. "They'll tell me what my free throw percentage is in practice. And I'm like, 'What?!'"

It is possible that no team takes the structure of its pregame shootarounds more seriously. The players arrive in scheduled 15-minute waves of two or three and promptly begin to sweat under the supervision of shooting coach Eugene Burroughs. On one recent night in Philadelphia, Hinkie observes from a sideline as a platoon of assistants, video coordinators and basketball-ops guys waits on the sidelines with MacBooks bearing video and spreadsheets. When each wave finishes its tailored drills -- in Brown's system, for instance, bigs focus exclusively on baseline jumpers and rolling to the basket -- the players sit down with a designated coach, who walks them through preselected clips from the last game. It's like jump shot triage. "They really hit us over the head with percentages," Thomas says, "and what type of shots they want us to take."

Like Houston, which shoots the most 3s in the league, Philadelphia fetishizes the importance of being lethal from behind the arc. Just as the title-winning Spurs fetishized it last season, and the playoff-bound Warriors, Hawks and Trail Blazers fetishize it now. But that trait can also be purchased and supplemented, Hinkie knows, when production is no longer delayed: Think of nomadic snipers like Ray Allen and Mike Miller; now think of what their spacing could do for a Nerlens Noel. Until then, the Sixers are second to last in 3-point percentage, at 31 percent, while still attempting more 3s than all but 10 teams.

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Center Nerlens Noel might, someday, be a defensive anchor. For now, he's simply part of a plan.
Not coincidentally, Philly also plays at the sixth-highest pace in the league -- all the better to up its players' counting stats, however flawed, in case any buyers are vaguely paying attention. Carter-Williams might not be traded, but if he is, rest assured that his Rookie of the Year award -- which he won while hoisting 15.1 shots a game -- will factor into his new employer's calculus. Or take the aforementioned Thaddeus Young, of OMG fame. After Hinkie took over, the forward took a career-high 16.2 shots and 3.7 3s a game, producing a career-high 17.9 points despite shooting a career-low 45.4 percent overall. That summer Philly flipped Young to Minnesota for two players and a 2015 first-round pick. "The team I'm coaching now isn't the team I'll be coaching a few years from now," Brown admits. "Some people will make it. Some people won't."

NEAR THE END of our lunch on Park Avenue, once it starts to become evident that this article won't disintegrate, Hinkie makes an editorial concession that catches me by surprise. There is a quote I can have before he heads off to Brooklyn.

It does not address the risk of Hinkie's five lottery picks failing to yield stars, plural, within the next season or two. Or the risk of two years of artfully delayed production resulting only in a third or fourth year of increasingly commonplace mediocrity. Or the risk of America mostly remembering these Sixers, by dint of injury or scouting or a zillion other threats, as an indictment of Hinkie -- or analytics altogether.

Instead, the quote concerns Robert Caro, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author of painstaking, mountainous biographies of Robert Moses and President Lyndon B. Johnson, the latter of whom the 79-year-old writer is in the midst of chronicling in five volumes. When Caro first set out to write all 1,296 pages of The Power Broker, the Moses tome, he'd famously promised his wife that he'd be done with a manuscript in nine months. It took him 522 interviews and seven years. At one desperate point in the process, the story goes, Caro ran out of money, and when he returned home from a research trip, his wife told him that she'd been forced to sell the house they were sitting in.

It was Caro's very first book. He kept working.

"Robert Caro," Sam Hinkie tells me, grinning, "is my favorite writer."

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Really good read...
Feb 16th 2015
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2020 shaping up to be a big one!
Feb 16th 2015
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Feb 16th 2015
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my team will win their next title before yours
Feb 16th 2015
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      *yawn*
Feb 16th 2015
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           wake me up when you're ready to show some guts about Knees Kneeblock
Feb 16th 2015
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                lulz. the balls on this prick.
Feb 16th 2015
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                     LMFAO im gonna need a piece of this action as well
Feb 16th 2015
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                     I'm a fiscal conservative with a keen eye for the bottom line
Feb 16th 2015
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                     so not *that* confident, in other words.
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                          What if woman-testicles descend?
Feb 16th 2015
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                               ew.
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                                    Co-Sign.Longo lets stick to the 'if your aunt had balls....' line please
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                     did we end up making this bet?
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                          haha. prolly so. no clue.
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None of their guys do anything well
Feb 16th 2015
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^^hasn't watched a Sixers game
Feb 16th 2015
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Nerlens Noel can't legally drink yet.
Feb 16th 2015
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      so you're saying rookies might need time to develop? interesting
Feb 16th 2015
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           More than 40 games even?
Feb 16th 2015
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Lol, dat sixers strategery!
Feb 16th 2015
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^^his guy busted for us, so he won't never forgive
Feb 16th 2015
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      My guy hit a game winner over ATL last I checked
Feb 16th 2015
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I need their strategy to be successful for a few reasons:
Feb 16th 2015
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The KJ McDaniels pick was fantastic.
Feb 16th 2015
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More to it than that...
Feb 16th 2015
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I know. I'm just high on Payton.
Feb 16th 2015
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      I like his game too.
Feb 16th 2015
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           I'm sure they are praying for a top three pick.
Feb 16th 2015
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DONT YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON HIM FRANKIE LONGO.
Feb 16th 2015
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No Hustle for Russell in full effect
Feb 16th 2015
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:(
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He'd be an amazing fit there.
Feb 16th 2015
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and no one would score. Ever.
Feb 16th 2015
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There's fat Philly sports writer wearing a sweater & track pants...
Feb 16th 2015
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      or will I be posting untitled after our third title?
Feb 16th 2015
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but payton for saric was not one-for-one
Feb 17th 2015
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      I acknowledged all of this above.
Feb 17th 2015
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naw.... you don't learn shit from losing....
Feb 16th 2015
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13-40...
Feb 16th 2015
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RE: 13-40...
Feb 16th 2015
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well the coaches and players are not tanking, at all
Feb 17th 2015
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never seen so many words dedicated to the worst team in basketball.
Feb 16th 2015
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third worst, and WE COMIN FOR U, LAKERS!
Feb 16th 2015
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I actually like what they are doing in Philly
Feb 17th 2015
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They doing yoga too?
Feb 17th 2015
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Let's say everything goes sideways
Feb 17th 2015
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I love his strategy of stockpiling second round picks.
Feb 17th 2015
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You can't teach length.
Feb 17th 2015
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      Or you could use one of those early second round picks
Feb 17th 2015
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so where does Nerlins 8pts 7reb and 45%FG fit into all this
Feb 18th 2015
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you're special and I appreciate you
Feb 18th 2015
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Word...and some don't even end up NBA players http://tinyurl.com/qfppusy
Feb 18th 2015
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      Nerlins having about the same rookie season as Ed O had...
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           Except Ed was like 25 & now pushes Kia Rondos...
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                Dem Rondos
Feb 19th 2015
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                yeah..and winning in court so that student athletes don't get
Feb 19th 2015
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they're hiring mad data scientists right now :)
Feb 18th 2015
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RE: they're hiring mad data scientists right now :)
Feb 19th 2015
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The 76ers Are Run By A Ridiculous TED-Humping Moron *swipe*
Feb 18th 2015
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RE: The 76ers Are Run By A Ridiculous TED-Humping Moron *swipe*
Feb 18th 2015
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"So far, my experiment has fallen flat on its face" - Phil Jackson
Feb 18th 2015
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      RE: "So far, my experiment has fallen flat on its face" - Phil Jackson
Feb 18th 2015
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           No shit
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                we're in year 2 of a rebuild...
Feb 19th 2015
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                How's he clearly fucking up?
Feb 19th 2015
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                     8 first rounders in 4 years now.
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                     Welp!
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                          So, you not gonna explain? Word
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                               Good luck with your rebuild of a rebuild
Feb 19th 2015
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                                    Cool, can't explain. Glad you backpedaled.
Feb 19th 2015
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                                         You think trading an all-star for Oliver Miller, Jr and...
Feb 19th 2015
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                                              By all-star you mean Jrue? You mean that one time...
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smh
Feb 18th 2015
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      Not allowed one postive Sixers article
Feb 18th 2015
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lolz
Feb 19th 2015
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i need one of the Hinkie stans to hold my hand and explain this to me
Feb 19th 2015
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tanks on tanks on tanks
Feb 19th 2015
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Let's see
Feb 19th 2015
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MCW and KJ are the same issue
Feb 19th 2015
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      MCW is an issue of attempting to trade up.
Feb 19th 2015
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Sixers fishing for a superstar
Feb 19th 2015
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      so, theoretically, sixers fans should be ok if nerlens/embiid get traded...
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           Jason Kidd...
Feb 20th 2015
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                Wait What?
Feb 20th 2015
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                Rondo?
Feb 20th 2015
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                Wall maybe?
Feb 20th 2015
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ye' Basketball God(s), PLZ keep these NBA lepers away from D'.Russ
Feb 19th 2015
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Still blaming us for ET's being average?
Feb 19th 2015
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RE: Still blaming us for ET's being average?
Feb 19th 2015
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Fam, I'm not about to say "Free Nerlens" but that campaign...
Feb 19th 2015
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So, no on the breakout yet...
Feb 19th 2015
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      i never said anything abt breakin out...he's winning games for Boston
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average is extremely generous
Feb 19th 2015
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No Hustle for Russell is full engaged
Feb 19th 2015
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Russell with Noel and Embiid down low should make you salivate.
Feb 19th 2015
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      toxic franchise w/ a culture of losing. no thanks.
Feb 20th 2015
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We need an NBA wikileaks
Feb 19th 2015
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Javale at pg please
Feb 19th 2015
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With the 2015 NBA Draft...
Feb 19th 2015
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I must say, I do like the "its just business" approach being t...
Feb 19th 2015
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the Sermon on the Mount
Feb 20th 2015
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Thanks
Feb 20th 2015
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MCW was given every chance to prove he was star
Feb 20th 2015
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Yeah bro, be the next Kobe or get the fuck on with your sub-Kobe...
Feb 20th 2015
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lol..Sixers fans are a special breed
Feb 20th 2015
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I'd settle for him being the next brandon knight....
Feb 20th 2015
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      what about the next Jrue Holiday?
Feb 20th 2015
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           Hahaha...exactly
Feb 20th 2015
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           LOL..
Feb 20th 2015
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           Jwho?
Feb 20th 2015
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Noel still needs to fill out. For a big this isnt a bad rookie campaign.
Feb 26th 2015
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      I see him somewhere in the Tyson Chandler range
Feb 26th 2015
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LOL@ guru in here tryin to claim Duck Sauce isn't garbage after the fact
Feb 20th 2015
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There's like 3 guys in this draft with star potential
Feb 20th 2015
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You can't be a friend now bro. Let Giannis play pg like you wanted.
Feb 20th 2015
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I'd rather have kept BK for the playoffs and let him walk this offseason
Feb 20th 2015
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      Alright, I'll stop being mad about the BK shade. But this is...
Feb 20th 2015
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           That's exactly where I am with this
Feb 20th 2015
           That's exactly where I am with this
Feb 20th 2015
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                And truthfully, you know BK's my guy, but how much $ could...
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                all it takes is one
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                He's probably gonna get 12-13 over 4-5 years
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                     I still have reservations on Giannis. For all we know he could..
Feb 20th 2015
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                          Nah, he's already shown to be different mentally
Feb 20th 2015
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                          We don't know that yet.
Feb 20th 2015
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                          A 7 foot Batum is a superstar
Feb 20th 2015
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                               A 7 foot Batum is a guy that has to bend down lower to nutpunch
Feb 20th 2015
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                LMFAO!
Feb 20th 2015
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I'm just mad you think anybody but you gives a fuck bout the Bucks
Feb 20th 2015
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      Covington the Gawd
Feb 21st 2015
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Make another Evan Turner post bro.
Feb 20th 2015
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prolly not, since nobody cares about that bum
Feb 20th 2015
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sell high?
Feb 20th 2015
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      The Laker pick is for this year's draft, sporty
Feb 20th 2015
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           it would be...if the LAL werent comfortably in the protected range
Feb 20th 2015
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           4th worst record at worst ain't all that comfortable
Feb 20th 2015
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                i suppose in ordinal terms 4 is close to 6
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                     Yeah, even Hinkie expects the Lakers to keep it this year
Feb 21st 2015
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           not if it's top 5
Feb 20th 2015
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                I don't know where y'all are getting with the 'almost certain' bit
Feb 20th 2015
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                     well, they won't fall any lower than 5th in lottery odds.
Feb 20th 2015
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                          they ain't sniffing first or second, I think we/NYK got that on lock now
Feb 20th 2015
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https://twitter.com/bball_ref/status/568512623613841410
Feb 20th 2015
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2019 8th seed berth! and franklin the blue dog! get excited!
Feb 20th 2015
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nerlens balling
Feb 20th 2015
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Damn, missed the triple double by a board and a block
Feb 20th 2015
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Hinkie Dinky Dawg on with Mikey Miss to talk deadline deals
Feb 21st 2015
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so trading last seson's rookie of the year for some picks...
Feb 22nd 2015
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Thanks for the awful Nash trade and the lotto pick
Feb 22nd 2015
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Lol, you were resigned to another Lakers ring after that trade
Feb 22nd 2015
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      LOL, I killed that awful trade when it happened, the Howard trade was
Feb 22nd 2015
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           Bull and shit on you lambasting the Nash deal
Feb 22nd 2015
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                RE: Bull and shit on you lambasting the Nash deal
Feb 22nd 2015
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My guy, I've been arguing the same points with Sixer fans for months
Feb 22nd 2015
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They flipped the 11 pick & leagues worst shooter outside three feet
Feb 22nd 2015
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Bro, I hear you. But if you get Mudiay or D'Angelo, they're gonna..
Feb 22nd 2015
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      RE: Bro, I hear you. But if you get Mudiay or D'Angelo, they're gonna..
Feb 22nd 2015
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Heinke been in the job less than two years.
Feb 22nd 2015
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      Basically. And ironically it's mostly media/non-Sixer Fans/non-NBA fans
Feb 23rd 2015
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           I love it when people tell me how much I should hate my team
Feb 26th 2015
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           Basically.
Feb 26th 2015
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but the Red Wings havent missed the playoffs in 24 yrs
Feb 22nd 2015
148
Develop MCW into what exactly?
Feb 22nd 2015
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an aside - im not sold on Russell as a primary ballhandler
Feb 22nd 2015
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      RE: an aside - im not sold on Russell as a primary ballhandler
Feb 22nd 2015
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We are building...
Feb 22nd 2015
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thing is sixers fans hyped the hell out of MCW
Feb 22nd 2015
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      who hyped the hell out of MCW? We said he was ROY of a terrible class
Feb 22nd 2015
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           you, mtbatol, bags,john_forte, djr. just do a search
Feb 22nd 2015
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           nah u can do the search if u care, Top 10 what in 5 years, PG?
Feb 22nd 2015
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           i felt that felt way listening to presser.
Feb 22nd 2015
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                nobody respects Jim Buss and nobody wants to play with Old Kob
Feb 23rd 2015
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I'm not throwing confetti... but... I'm eager.. shits wisdom tooth pulli...
Feb 25th 2015
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I will miss his passing ability and...
Feb 26th 2015
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The key to a caffeine heavy lifestyle is hydrating.
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http://oi64.tinypic.com/8wla2g.jpg
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gmltheone
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1. "Really good read..."
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That bynum story was a gem. There will be stories about him years from now. The legend will grow.


As a fan. Glad to finally have a plan. High risk, high reward is fine.
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2. "2020 shaping up to be a big one!"
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3. "http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lowv2jTw2l1qgj47l.jpg"
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http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lowv2jTw2l1qgj47l.jpg

cool story and all. wake me when it yields fruit.

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7. "my team will win their next title before yours"
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I'll put $100 on it.

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14. "*yawn*"
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empty bluster bores me, dogg.

like i said, wake me when something of actual note has been accomplished.

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22. "wake me up when you're ready to show some guts about Knees Kneeblock"
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25. "lulz. the balls on this prick."
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the 2011 bulls won 62 games, 9 playoff games, and featured the league's most valuable player.

i got a grand saying the sixers don't do any of those 3 things in the next 5 seasons.

your turn.

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26. "LMFAO im gonna need a piece of this action as well"
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If i got 8-5 odds id stretch that to 5 uears

  

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27. "I'm a fiscal conservative with a keen eye for the bottom line"
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So I'm not betting a grand, and I'm only betting on shit that counts, like rangs. 100 for next rang, mang. That the bet.

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36. "so not *that* confident, in other words. "
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lulz

yeah we can book the 100. gladly. that's a no brainer.

other thing's still on the table too, whenever your man-testicles descend.

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37. "What if woman-testicles descend?"
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38. "ew."
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140. "Co-Sign.Longo lets stick to the 'if your aunt had balls....' line please"
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That hypothetical got a little too graphic for my aging sensibilities.

  

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175. "did we end up making this bet?"
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176. "haha. prolly so. no clue."
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i got u either way tho.

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4. "None of their guys do anything well "
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Yeah Noel guards the rim,but so did Larry Sanders,who did it better,on the worst team in the League.


MCW plays loserball,Embiid is an injury concern,and there really isn't a sure fire guy in this draft
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8. "^^hasn't watched a Sixers game"
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9. "Nerlens Noel can't legally drink yet."
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Larry Sanders was playing in the CAA when he was Noel's age. Not really a fair comparison at all.

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11. "so you're saying rookies might need time to develop? interesting"
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"yeah he can protect the rim" as a rookie will do just fine, thank you very much.

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29. "More than 40 games even?"
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5. "Lol, dat sixers strategery! "
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Pathetic

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10. "^^his guy busted for us, so he won't never forgive"
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20. "My guy hit a game winner over ATL last I checked "
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Him and my other guy (who is better than anyone in Phillys front court) have a young Celtics team fighting for a playoff spot.

My other guy is one of the league's best point guards and D'Angelo Russell is the second best player in CBB, so nah, I'm fine.

Enjoy your brilliant losing strategy though. It should be easy. Sixers fans not used to NBA championships anyway.

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6. "I need their strategy to be successful for a few reasons:"
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We never know how history is going to pan out so your favorite team might have to use this strategy.

No Sixers can ever talk shit about anyone tanking. If this strategy works y'all the OGs of this shit so don't hate when someone else does it.

The league needs stop hating. If the Pelicans can turn it around then so can the Sixers. The Thunder used the same strategy but drafted better players and turned it around quicker.

  

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12. "The KJ McDaniels pick was fantastic."
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As were the Noel/Embiid choices, especially considering their long term goals. Those are both guys with #1 in their respective draft ceilings.

I thought they should've kept Elfrid Payton and shopped MCW. He fits their whole "let's see if we can fuck people up defensively with our length" long term strategy. MCW is probably longer, but Payton has better defensive instincts. It'll obviously pay off if Saric becomes someone special, and he could-- I know nothing about him. I just really like Payton and you could've definitely gotten some terrific value for MCW coming off of a ROY season.

If they can get a Top 3 pick this year and end up with D'Angelo Russell or Karl Towns? Sheeeeeeeit. That MCW/Russell/KJ/Noel/Embiid lineup is pretty sexy on paper.

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15. "More to it than that..."
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>I thought they should've kept Elfrid Payton and shopped MCW.
>He fits their whole "let's see if we can fuck people up
>defensively with our length" long term strategy. MCW is
>probably longer, but Payton has better defensive instincts.
>It'll obviously pay off if Saric becomes someone special, and
>he could-- I know nothing about him. I just really like Payton
>and you could've definitely gotten some terrific value for MCW
>coming off of a ROY season.
>


It wasn't a guy for guy thing. Word is they took Payton because they knew Orlando wanted him desperately. Leveraged that desperation for that Bynum pick back back in 2016, a 2015 second and the rights to the guy they wanted in Saric. This year we will tell how they feel with a couple PG's slated to go early and them being different type players than MCW.





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17. "I know. I'm just high on Payton."
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And I think he would've fit beautifully into what they're trying to build there. (He fits beautifully into what they're trying to build in Orlando too.)

But I get the general reasoning.

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18. "I like his game too. "
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>And I think he would've fit beautifully into what they're
>trying to build there. (He fits beautifully into what they're
>trying to build in Orlando too.)
>
>But I get the general reasoning.

That front court really is a waste of He and Oaldipo's talents. Getting gordon back next year will help.
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19. "I'm sure they are praying for a top three pick."
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Karl Anthony Towns with that backcourt and Gordon would be such an awesome core.

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23. "DONT YOU PUT THAT EVIL ON HIM FRANKIE LONGO."
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>
>If they can get a Top 3 pick this year and end up with
>D'Angelo Russell or Karl Towns? Sheeeeeeeit. That
>MCW/Russell/KJ/Noel/Embiid lineup is pretty sexy on paper.

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24. "No Hustle for Russell in full effect"
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28. ":("
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30. "He'd be an amazing fit there."
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He wouldn't have to play the role of auto-distributor from day one, since I'm afraid some teams are going to try to funnel him into the role of point guard. He could simply exists as the SG/playmaker, let MCW worry about getting others involved, and he could get a lot of spot-up opportunities with offensive rebounds getting kicked back out. And playing at that pace? He'd drop 20 a game, easy.

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33. "and no one would score. Ever."
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34. "There's fat Philly sports writer wearing a sweater & track pants..."
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with cheese whiz on the left leg saving a word doc titled, "D'Angelo's = Evan Turner".

He's just waiting for the right time so he can update the dates and particulars in the article and submit.

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35. "or will I be posting untitled after our third title?"
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HOW DOES IT FEEDEEEEEEEEEL

WOO

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39. "but payton for saric was not one-for-one"
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saric fills a role that's vacant where as payton/mcw are kind of similar. philly also gets to stash saric, somewhat of an advantage given their outlook IMO. and, of course, they got a very good asset out of trading down all of a couple spots.

i get what you're saying, but given the full context i don't think it's very compelling. payton fits what orlando was trying to do more, i think, getting a guy to compliment oladipo and fit into their bigger picture.

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44. "I acknowledged all of this above."
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Again, I'm just high on Payton and think he would've fit nicely with the defense the Sixers will develop. I also like his potential more than MCW's.

But I get it when you throw in the picks. Longer term moves. I just really like Payton.

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13. "naw.... you don't learn shit from losing...."
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that's why purposeful tanking is not a good thing...

another year...another lotto pick.... Will this one be a guy who can actually come in and play??

Philly hasn't been a prime free agent destination so tanking year after year after year serves no purpose really other than to extend losing and make your location less desirable... No real impact free agency is going to come running to you just to play with ex lotto picks coming off of injuries..

what's the appeal of that...


  

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16. "13-40..."
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>that's why purposeful tanking is not a good thing...
>
>another year...another lotto pick.... Will this one be a guy
>who can actually come in and play??
>
>Philly hasn't been a prime free agent destination so tanking
>year after year after year serves no purpose really other than
>to extend losing and make your location less desirable... No
>real impact free agency is going to come running to you just
>to play with ex lotto picks coming off of injuries..
>
>what's the appeal of that...
>
>
>

What about accidental tanking?

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21. "RE: 13-40..."
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>>that's why purposeful tanking is not a good thing...
>>
>>another year...another lotto pick.... Will this one be a guy
>>who can actually come in and play??
>>
>>Philly hasn't been a prime free agent destination so tanking
>>year after year after year serves no purpose really other
>than
>>to extend losing and make your location less desirable... No
>>real impact free agency is going to come running to you just
>>to play with ex lotto picks coming off of injuries..
>>
>>what's the appeal of that...
>>
>>
>>
>
>What about accidental tanking?


I laughed.

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40. "well the coaches and players are not tanking, at all"
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you look at it, they eat soup with a fork out there every night.

they are just going young and do it in a purposeful way.

you look at the 90s clippers, kings, et al, they did the same thing, just not purposefully. or you could be team with no future at all, like the lakers.

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31. "never seen so many words dedicated to the worst team in basketball."
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definitely unnecessary.

  

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32. "third worst, and WE COMIN FOR U, LAKERS!"
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41. "I actually like what they are doing in Philly"
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I think MCW is eventually gonna breakthrough. He's angry and someone angry at losing (and simply not full of disdain) is the type of guy who will work hard to prove everyone wrong.

The young guys are getting lots of experience. And I've watched a few philly games and they are usually in the games I've seen but they either blow it at the end or the other team just has more weapons when needed.

The core guys are promising: MCW, Wroten, KJ, Noel, Embiid...and they've found w hidden gem in Covington. That's not even including Saric.

Another top 3 pick and I think they are in business. Would be interesting if they landed #1 or 2. Gotta imagine they'd take Okafor or Towns which means Noel or Embiid is likely traded if they keep them or the pick gets traded for a veteran haul.

I think they could be next year's Mil. They certainly have as much upside on their roster:

Knight - MCW
Mayo - Wroten
Giannis - Covington
Jabari - Noel
Henson - Embiid
Middleton - Covington
Wolters - KJ
Sanders - Mbah a Moute

And Philly gets to add either another top 3-4 pick or a good vet/star in exchange for their pick this summer.

If Jason Kidd in Mil has taught me anything is that a talented roster just needs the right coach. Larry Drew was HORRIBLE for that team last year and they have pretty much the same roster minus Jabari but he's hurt and they are still winning. So Brown might need to be replaced but maybe not...OKC was patient and it paid off. Philly maybe can do the same. I think Shelly is being a bit homer with the predictions but playoff competitive is definitely within reach (especially in the east).

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42. "They doing yoga too? "
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I just want to know what to praise or blame, following my convos with O_E. B/c they have a Pop tree guy AND analytics. I just don't know which of those is going to be the key factor when Philly wins it.

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43. "Let's say everything goes sideways "
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We're still better off that we would've been. We're still good cap-wise, no contract issues to worry about. We have all of OUR picks coming up, plus a boatload of seconds, and all those protected 1's become 2nds (doug collins LMAO). And in 2017 that heat pick is unprotected.

Iggy was going to opt out and want a new deal. Jrue was the only young player we had who could be considered top 15 at his position. We had a huge question mark with the loon bynum and a bunch of 6th man and 7th man dudes.

We traded Thad, ET, and Hawes. People wen ape-shit. Thad is doing thad things on a worse minny team. Not his fault, but he isn't a difference maker and he's going to opt out and want a new deal. Hawes and turner are just guys on other teams. It needed to be blown up and rebuilt. We were a perpetual 33-38 win team.

Maybe we should've kept and played vuce and harkless. Maybe we should've had some balls and drafted boogie. Maybe we get the 8th seed while all of the big three developed malaria. Or we luck into the bron/gilbert draft special. A lot of hope and wishes.

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45. "I love his strategy of stockpiling second round picks. "
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They gonna hit on one and if they don't they don't lose much. I like that plan a lot.

I dunno about drafting though. Drafting a bunch of players that are alike isn't the greatest idea in the world. They are all long and can't shoot. I don't care how much analytics you put into development, its all gonna be fairly limited if you keep getting the same kind of player. But I am not a GM though. Its crazy enough to work. Or its just crazy.

  

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46. "You can't teach length."
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I'm of the mindset that teaching shooting to a pro is also incredibly difficult, and that the vast majority of players who can't shoot when entering the league aren't realistically going to be sharpshooters at any point in their careers.

But I understand the thought process. Stake your advantage in size and length, emphasize a top-tier defense in practice, root your offense in penetration, post-ups, and the offensive glass, and hope that one or two of these guys can become outside threats. With the right talent, that blueprint could work in theory.

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47. "Or you could use one of those early second round picks"
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48. "so where does Nerlins 8pts 7reb and 45%FG fit into all this"
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of course he got some upside...but in the long run if Nerlins and Embid are supposed to be your 4-5 combo.... Is that going to be the best option if you consider what your other courses of action were....

just because someone was projected as a #1 pick at some point...before an injury..doesn't mean they will manifest into an all-star player.....

  

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57. "Word...and some don't even end up NBA players http://tinyurl.com/qfppusy"
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http://tinyurl.com/qfppusy

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60. "Nerlins having about the same rookie season as Ed O had..."
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so I see the comparison...

  

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66. "Except Ed was like 25 & now pushes Kia Rondos..."
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as opposed to playing guys like Rondo.

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69. "Dem Rondos"
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75. "yeah..and winning in court so that student athletes don't get"
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pimped.....

that too

  

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50. "they're hiring mad data scientists right now :)"
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compensation isn't competitive for what they expect
but it's probably the fastest way for some one to go from message board poster to potentially a GM one day
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63. "RE: they're hiring mad data scientists right now :)"
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Applied for one of those jobs...got to the second round of online questionnaire stuff. Its obvious they are looking for a fresh-outta college number nerd they can pay peanuts. I got a kid and a mortgage.

  

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51. "The 76ers Are Run By A Ridiculous TED-Humping Moron *swipe*"
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One startling scene serves as the crux of ESPN writer Pablo Torre's very good magazine feature about the braintrust of the Philadelphia 76ers. In it, the general manager of a rival Eastern Conference team calls together a motley assembly of coaches, scouts, media relations experts, retired spies, and straight-up nefarious criminal underworld figures in a dim corner of an anonymous downtown parking garage. The mood is grim and desperate.

"We must learn how they do it," he whispers, referring to the 76ers, winners of 31 of their last 135 games. "We must unlock their secrets. Stop at nothing. We must crack their code or perish." He hands out thick manila envelopes filled with grainy black-and-white surveillance photos, clandestine recording devices, and pistol flash suppressors; then, crushable cyanide suicide capsules stashed safely in their false molars, he and his operatives commence their operation. Their professional survival and the fate of the NBA hinge on its outcome.

This sinister gathering never appears in the actual text of Torre's article, because it has never happened in real life. By all indications, though, it's pretty much playing on a loop in the movie theater inside Sam Hinkie's skull. Philadelphia's general manager and president of basketball operations is a man so convinced that he's fighting—and winning—a shadow war against the rest of the NBA that he won't even talk to Pablo Torre about how he got his job lest his hungry competitors find in the anecdote some exploitable opening. ("Oh man, lemme tell you Pablo, I was so nervous, I tripped over my shoelace and almost crushed my enchanted, Milton Friedman-shaped keychain fob, which glows green whenever I'm in the presence of an available second-round draft slot.") The movie theater is huge and empty and this paranoid, masturbatory fantasy is the only thing echoing around in it. Sam Hinkie is a moron and a fraud.

Under Hinkie, the 76ers have invested deeply in presenting themselves as an operation at the cutting edge of technological, analytical, and econometric innovation in sports. Their staff looks like what would happen if FiveThirtyEight and Palantir Technologies fucked and gave birth to an org chart—all MIT and Stanford wonks, a former Navy SEAL who "teaches team-building part-time," some dude with a Ph.D. in cognitive and neural systems—and their commitment to internal data gathering is downright fetishistic. They make their players wear motion-tracking GPS devices! They record their free-throw percentages ... during practices! They track and analyze their hydration and sleep patterns! The idea here being, Here is the serious-minded, sophisticated, techno-messianic NBA front office of the future, unlocking and deploying never-before-seen subtleties and optimizations in its flawlessly rational success-maximization process.

This is hilarious! At every turn, the gap between Hinkie and the Sixers' self-presentation, over here, and observable reality, over there, yawns like the goddamn Grand Canyon. Consider the following passage from Torre's article, about Hinkie's aptitude and passion for talent evaluation:
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Morey, though, came to believe that evaluation was Hinkie's greatest skill. "He watches more basketball than anyone I know," the Rockets' GM says. "And he was on the road constantly." Hinkie insisted on quizzing team managers and van drivers in an effort to gather data on a college kid. He enthusiastically volunteered to visit one-prospect gyms from Eastern Washington to Istanbul.
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Verily, here is a John Forbes Nash of player scouting. Obsessive and unconventional! Digging deeper! Leaving no detail, no matter how minor-seeming, uninterrogated! ("Lemme ask you: How does he handle himself in a van?" "He likes to draw a dick and balls in the window condensation." "Mmm, yes, interesting.") Truly, the amateur draft's inefficiencies and hidden gems are laid bare under the gimlet-eyed gaze of this relentless genius.

Now consider the real world, where in the two drafts Hinkie has overseen since assuming stewardship of Philly's basketball operations, he's come away with Nerlens Noel, Joel Embiid, Michael Carter-Williams, and an assortment of international men of mystery, most of the latter of whom will never so much as appear in a Sixers team photo. Noel and Embiid were both presumptive first overall picks who slid in the draft because of leg injuries; Carter-Williams was a no-brainer at 11th, especially for a team that was in the process of trading young, All-Star point guard Jrue Holiday for the rights to Noel. The only thing unusual about any of it is that Noel and Embiid were drafted at least in part for their short-term inability to stop the team from sucking raccoon ass on the court.

Virtually any NBA personnel honcho could use a young All-Star and high draft picks in successive drafts to get a pair of sliding blue-chip prospects with injury and NBA-readiness concerns, a well-regarded but unexceptional player at the NBA's deepest position, and nothing of note from the later parts of the draft. Watching 50,000 hours of game-tape, interrogating a lineup of pizza deliverymen and toll-booth operators, and flipping around second-round picks like they were Magic: The Gathering cards in order to produce this outcome does not make Sam Hinkie a talent-evaluation savant; it makes him a fucking dunce. Both a smart person and a stupid one will pick up a $20 bill off the sidewalk; the difference between them is that the stupid one spends two hours researching international exchange rates and the ergonomic efficiency of bending over before he does it.

To wit: No one disputes that Philadelphia's on-court goal, this season, has been to lose as many games as they can without embarrassing the NBA thoroughly enough to force a rejiggering of the draft lottery system. To accomplish this, Hinkie has monkeyed around ceaselessly, trading players for flotsam and flotsam for assets and assets for other assets until his roster looks like nothing so much as a bad fish-out-of-water comedy in which a judge sentences Michael Carter-Williams and Nerlens Noel to donate their play to a sad-sack vocational school's lovably terrible basketball squad. To placate fans, the Sixers have lowered and frozen ticket prices and worked the "We Suck ... But We Play Hard!" angle as hard as an early-days WNBA team. But that isn't enough—they want the players to not just stumble through a miserable, season-long humiliation but to believe they're doing so for the greater glory of Philadelphia basketball! Hell, they took their sad, bad players on a field trip for the sole purpose of indoctrinating them in this nonsense! From Torre's article:
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Brown is fond of bringing his entire team on field trips, like the one to a University of Pennsylvania lecture hall in October. There, the Sixers met MacArthur-winning psychologist Angela Lee Duckworth, whose TED Talk on grit—which she defines as "passion and perseverance for very long-term goals"—had touched a coach tasked with alchemizing failure into development.
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Oh God. Oh God. Can you fucking imagine? They made their players sit through a goddamn TED Talk about grit. Grit! "You see, guys, all this losing—it's actually cool and good! Can't you feel yourselves adding Grit points to your attribute loadout?"

It's a process, Hinkie and his acolytes and apologists want you to understand, subtle and intricate and sophisticated. Trust the process. We drew it up on whiteboards in our open-plan office, like visionary developers, you see. If it turns out to involve as many moves and deals as your average nuclear submarine procurement and development cycle, hell, think of how nice it'll be to watch Jahlil Okafor pull on a Sixers cap in June!

Meanwhile, in New York, Knicks president Phil Jackson—a man whose pursuit of the analytical frontiers of sports management begins and ends with the photo of Luc Longley he has sewn into the crotch of all his pants—has assembled a worse team than Hinkie's, and taken the gruesome lead in their perverse race to failure ... and he didn't even decide to stop gunning for the playoffs until six weeks ago! Everything before that was accidental! On the actual basketball court, Hinkie's cagey, analytics-juiced process is utterly indistinguishable from Jackson's pure ineptitude. (I bet Hinkie works much longer hours, though.) Which of them is the stupid one? Trick question: They're both fucking idiots.

Further consider: their endgames are identical! The spring-loaded defense of Hinkie—that his approach to tanking has the Sixers many millions of dollars below the NBA's salary floor, while the Knicks' tank-job cost them all their cap space and then some—only works if you acknowledge that. The Process—all its technological sheen, its insurgent sneer and sweaty, desperate, Scientology-grade insistence upon its own legitimacy—reaches its fruition with Hinkie standing in the same line as 29 other NBA GMs—including Phil Jackson's stone-dumb, bad-apartment-choosing ass—hoping to unload a big, blunt, CBA-standardized wheelbarrow of cash on one of the tiny number of available stars and hoping one of the shinier ones pops a boner for his city's team and the gated suburbs near which it plays.

The absolute best, most delicious, most wonderful part, is this: when the NBA's gargantuan new television deal sends the salary cap skyrocketing the offseason after next, literally every team, no matter how shamelessly it tanked or how haphazardly it threw money around before, will be bidding on those same four or five players. JaKarr Sampson and K.J. McDaniels didn't buy Hinkie into an exclusive shot at LeBron James or Anthony Davis or Kevin Durant; they bought him the right to bid against himself for the services of a half-dozen consolation prizes. You think it'll help his pitch when he whips out the PowerPoint showing Jerami Grant's sensor-tracked, NBA-best Fatigue Units Per Stride metric?

I just love it so much. Hinkie and his gang of triumphal futurist dorks slapping fatigue-tracking GPS devices on a group of future Turkmenistan Basketball League All-Stars and loading them onto the team bus to go sit through a TED Talk about how the organization will benefit from the collective grit-growth it gains from their constant losing. Hinkie, poker-faced, paranoid, hunched over the secrets and insights of his intricate Master Plan—one that hinges not just on the Sixers winning a weighted draft lottery that has screwed the league's worst team in 22 of the 25 years since its inception, but also on two clumsy, raw young big men with bad leg injuries in their pasts developing into legitimate cornerstone players, and on Michael Carter-Williams not being ruined by these years of nightly humiliation, and on all that abundant cap space sufficing to attract a superstar or two who might reasonably prefer literally any other team, and on one of those stashed-away Euro dudes eventually deciding he'd like to come play for an NBA team that wants to lose, and on that Euro dude being a good player and not Nikoloz Tskitishvili, and on an open front-office floorplan and a team-building Navy SEAL and forwarded Warren Buffett quotes revealing some revolutionary basketball truth beyond "Having Kevin Durant is good." Just imagine Hinkie watching from the shadows of some executive suite at the Wells Fargo Center as his team of long-limbed, metrics-honed, motion-tracked, TED-Talked nobodies scratch out an ugly, meaningless midseason win over the friggin' Hornets, and having no idea how to feel about it. Mmm, yes, the process is working, look at the lessons they've learned, how they've improved, this collection of men I'll dismiss to China the moment they improve enough to seem like they might belong here. Lemme just fire up the ol' Google Glass here to see if our proprietary player valuation metrics still say Anthony Davis is better than Henry Sims.

God bless you, Sam Hinkie. Keep your secrets.

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52. "RE: The 76ers Are Run By A Ridiculous TED-Humping Moron *swipe*"
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Meanwhile, in New York, Knicks president Phil Jackson—a man whose pursuit of the analytical frontiers of sports management begins and ends with the photo of Luc Longley he has sewn into the crotch of all his pants—has assembled a worse team than Hinkie's, and taken the gruesome lead in their perverse race to failure ... and he didn't even decide to stop gunning for the playoffs until six weeks ago! Everything before that was accidental! On the actual basketball court, Hinkie's cagey, analytics-juiced process is utterly indistinguishable from Jackson's pure ineptitude. (I bet Hinkie works much longer hours, though.) Which of them is the stupid one? Trick question: They're both fucking idiots.

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53. ""So far, my experiment has fallen flat on its face" - Phil Jackson"
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"Our long term strategy is to lose every year on purpose and draft mediocre talent" - unnamed NBA general manager

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56. "RE: "So far, my experiment has fallen flat on its face" - Phil Jackson"
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You do know this is not a good look for phil right?

Not just the record. The bad trades, the coaching hire, the clear bad call on the talent level. This guy has no track record of building anything from scratch. He may not know what he's doing. Oh yeah and about 100 mil invested in a injured 30yr old.
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58. "No shit"
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At least Phil has the self-awareness to know he's fucking up. Hinkie, on the other hand, is clearly fucking up yet acting as though he's somehow winning.

Hinkie's genius master plan has him in the same position as Phil. I'm not quite sure how any Sixers fan can take solace in this.

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59. "we're in year 2 of a rebuild... "
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>At least Phil has the self-awareness to know he's fucking up.
>Hinkie, on the other hand, is clearly fucking up yet acting as
>though he's somehow winning.
>
>Hinkie's genius master plan has him in the same position as
>Phil. I'm not quite sure how any Sixers fan can take solace in
>this.

Clearly fucking up?
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61. "How's he clearly fucking up?"
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Please explain in detail. Cause all he's done is make sound draft picks and clear cap space. As a Sixers fan, I'm fine with dealing away Jrue and getting Noel and a higher 2014 pick (which ended up being Embiid) in return. What path was our team on prior to Hinkie? Did he derail a train headed to the finals? No. So again, how is he clearly fucking up?

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62. "8 first rounders in 4 years now."
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65. "Welp!"
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80. "So, you not gonna explain? Word"
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Like I said. Show me how he's clearly fucking up, given what the plan is and has been since he arrived.

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82. "Good luck with your rebuild of a rebuild"
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83. "Cool, can't explain. Glad you backpedaled. "
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85. "You think trading an all-star for Oliver Miller, Jr and..."
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a future joruneyman was a good deal.

There is no reasoning with you.

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88. "By all-star you mean Jrue? You mean that one time..."
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in 2013, in the Eastern conference when Rose and Rondo couldn't play in the game b/c of injury? The same Jrue that's done what since we traded him? Yes, I think getting Noel and Embiid (who we would've potentially missed out on had we not traded Jrue and some other parts to stink it up) is better than keeping Jrue, who plays pg, possibly the deepest position in the league. Getting a pg is easy, getting quality bigs isn't. Jeff Teague was an all start this yr. We have a shot at two pg's in this draft that I think will end up being better than MCW and Jrue. However, like I said in the other post, I was down for a 2-3 yr rebuild process and still am. If in yr 4, we're still making trades for future draft picks and sucking I'll agree with you. I just can't see how you can say he's clearly fucking up, when the plan was to do just what he's doing for 2-3 yrs. You either agree with a blow up and rebuild process or you don't.

So, was that you're "he's clearly fucking up." Cause we traded Jrue, who I guess in your eyes is a Zeke, Stockton level talent?

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54. "smh"
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This is too much vitriol for a team that doesn't matter right now, and a gm nobody believes in. Why the hot takes now? Let it epically fail, thwn then write novels about it. Please do. But until then. This comes off as sad and bitter.



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55. "Not allowed one postive Sixers article"
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Unless we are talking about the tanking team and the awful, stupid fans, we can't talk about the sixers

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64. "lolz "
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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67. "i need one of the Hinkie stans to hold my hand and explain this to me"
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you dump a young player who fits all of your player criteria (length,defense,etc)
who you just traded assets to get couple years ago
who just won ROY and is on a rookie contract
for a protected draft pick just to roll the dice and hope you get another comparable player?

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68. "tanks on tanks on tanks"
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he's tanking his tank...?

I officially give 0 fucks about the 6ers, is now extended through next season.

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70. "Let's see"
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>you dump a young player who fits all of your player criteria
>(length,defense,etc)
>who you just traded assets to get couple years ago
>who just won ROY and is on a rookie contract
>for a protected draft pick just to roll the dice and hope you
>get another comparable player?

He was our 11th pick. Cost us nothing but development time.
Won ROY and was a good dude. Traded him for future value. Not much more to it than that.

Upside for him. He gets to go to the bucks to start on a playoff team and learn from Kidd. Not too upset.

I'm more upset about the KJ trade. We hit on a 2nd round pick and traded him away for a backup PG and another 2nd.

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71. "MCW and KJ are the same issue"
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>He was our 11th pick. Cost us nothing but development time.
>
>Won ROY and was a good dude. Traded him for future value. Not
>much more to it than that.
>
>Upside for him. He gets to go to the bucks to start on a
>playoff team and learn from Kidd. Not too upset.
>
>I'm more upset about the KJ trade. We hit on a 2nd round pick
>and traded him away for a backup PG and another 2nd.

you find a player you like that's fits all your criteria and you STILL move him , hoping you get something better?
k, i guess.
seems unnecessarily risky. 1 in the hand 2 in the bush and all that

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72. "MCW is an issue of attempting to trade up."
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Pick Russell or Mudiay with your pick (presumably both of whom are valued higher than MCW to the organization), and then hope your get an additional pick in this lotto from the Lakers.

KJ, as TJT pointed out above, is a contract re-sign issue. But yeah, that one's harder to swallow.

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74. "Sixers fishing for a superstar"
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I think basically came down to:

Odds that Laker's pick yields a superstar or is part of a trade package for a superstar >>> Odds MCW becomes a superstar or is part of a trade package for a superstar

  

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93. "so, theoretically, sixers fans should be ok if nerlens/embiid get traded..."
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have no idea if MCW will be a star or not
none of us have any idea if any of these players will be stars

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94. "Jason Kidd..."
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>have no idea if MCW will be a star or not
>none of us have any idea if any of these players will be
>stars

That's the list of star PG's who can't shoot. That's it. And even then by the end of his career Ason became a avg shooter. MCW is not that dude. Actually he's not as good as the guy he's replacing. Brandon Knight. Can he get better? Yeah. But how long do you hold on to him waiting? One more year? Two? Then we're talking second contract. And can you really lace him with a 4-5 yr deal for good money.

I get the frustration. This is a guy we think we're building around, then boom, traded for a "chance" at something more valuable this year or next. WE really could end up with the 11th pick next year. Who knows.
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95. "Wait What?"
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>Jason Kidd
>That's the list of star PG's who can't shoot. That's it. And
>even then by the end of his career Ason became a avg shooter.
>MCW is not that dude. Actually he's not as good as the guy
>he's replacing. Brandon Knight. Can he get better? Yeah.
>But how long do you hold on to him waiting? One more year?
>Two? Then we're talking second contract. And can you really
>lace him with a 4-5 yr deal for good money.
A. See Rondo
B. You're giving up on a kid coming into his THIRD FULL SEASON? REALLY? With all that turmoil in Philly and all that turnover?

>I get the frustration. This is a guy we think we're building
>around, then boom, traded for a "chance" at something more
>valuable this year or next. WE really could end up with the
>11th pick next year. Who knows.
SPM said it best...seems unnecessarily risky. What's the point of picking players if you're gonna trade them after 2 years?

  

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97. "Rondo? "
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>>Jason Kidd
>>That's the list of star PG's who can't shoot. That's it.
>And
>>even then by the end of his career Ason became a avg shooter.
>
>>MCW is not that dude. Actually he's not as good as the guy
>>he's replacing. Brandon Knight. Can he get better? Yeah.
>>But how long do you hold on to him waiting? One more year?
>
>>Two? Then we're talking second contract. And can you
>really
>>lace him with a 4-5 yr deal for good money.
>A. See Rondo
>B. You're giving up on a kid coming into his THIRD FULL
>SEASON? REALLY? With all that turmoil in Philly and all that
>turnover?
>


A. Look at that team he was on. KG, Allen, Pierce and vets. How often does that happen?

>>I get the frustration. This is a guy we think we're
>building
>>around, then boom, traded for a "chance" at something more
>>valuable this year or next. WE really could end up with the
>>11th pick next year. Who knows.
>SPM said it best...seems unnecessarily risky. What's the point
>of picking players if you're gonna trade them after 2 years?

It is risky. Didn't say it wasn't. Just how long do you hold on to a guy who you know isn't going to be that good. Who could be regressing.

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98. "Wall maybe?"
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73. "ye' Basketball God(s), PLZ keep these NBA lepers away from D'.Russ"
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maybe the threat of going to philly will convince to come back for his sophomore year.

*fingers crossed*

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77. "Still blaming us for ET's being average?"
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>
>maybe the threat of going to philly will convince to come back
>for his sophomore year.
>
>*fingers crossed*
>
>

LOL

He breakout yet somewhere else?

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78. "RE: Still blaming us for ET's being average?"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOzg1jMAcaI


>>maybe the threat of going to philly will convince to come
>back
>>for his sophomore year.
>>
>>*fingers crossed*
>>
>>
>
>LOL
>
>He breakout yet somewhere else?


he's on a team with tradition of WINNING, with a GM who knows what he's doing and with a great young coach & in the fight for an 8 seed. it could be a lot worse. he could still be a sixer.

and now that they got fugazi Zeke? Even better.

the sixers are hot steaming trash with no real plan other than to lose, a lot.

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81. "Fam, I'm not about to say "Free Nerlens" but that campaign..."
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is drafted.

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84. "So, no on the breakout yet..."
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOzg1jMAcaI
>
>
>>>maybe the threat of going to philly will convince to come
>>back
>>>for his sophomore year.
>>>
>>>*fingers crossed*
>>>
>>>
>>
>>LOL
>>
>>He breakout yet somewhere else?
>
>
>he's on a team with tradition of WINNING, with a GM who knows
>what he's doing and with a great young coach & in the fight
>for an 8 seed. it could be a lot worse. he could still be a
>sixer.
>
>and now that they got fugazi Zeke? Even better.
>
>the sixers are hot steaming trash with no real plan other than
>to lose, a lot.
>

Cool. You know he won't be part of the winning right? Danny signed him on a whim. Lil zeke about the take those minutes too.

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90. "i never said anything abt breakin out...he's winning games for Boston"
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and yaaaawn at the rest.

he would have been dealt today if he wasnt part of the plan.

besides, i have more important agendas.

#GrizzNation.

#Conley4MVP


>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOzg1jMAcaI
>>
>>
>>>>maybe the threat of going to philly will convince to come
>>>back
>>>>for his sophomore year.
>>>>
>>>>*fingers crossed*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>LOL
>>>
>>>He breakout yet somewhere else?
>>
>>
>>he's on a team with tradition of WINNING, with a GM who
>knows
>>what he's doing and with a great young coach & in the fight
>>for an 8 seed. it could be a lot worse. he could still be a
>>sixer.
>>
>>and now that they got fugazi Zeke? Even better.
>>
>>the sixers are hot steaming trash with no real plan other
>than
>>to lose, a lot.
>>
>
>Cool. You know he won't be part of the winning right? Danny
>signed him on a whim. Lil zeke about the take those minutes
>too.
>
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79. "average is extremely generous"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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87. "No Hustle for Russell is full engaged"
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As is Suck More for Okafor, Awful Play for Mundiay, and urhything else

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89. "Russell with Noel and Embiid down low should make you salivate."
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My movies: http://russellhainline.com
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137. "toxic franchise w/ a culture of losing. no thanks."
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76. "We need an NBA wikileaks"
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If the Sixers are really doin' this:

"After every game, a squad of as many as eight staffers, under the direction of Pearson and assistant coach Vance Walberg, constructs something called an Effort Chart. Every Sixer, on every possession, is graded on five complex, proprietary criteria."

Then the world needs to see Javale McGee's charts leaked.

  

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86. "Javale at pg please"
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---
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91. "With the 2015 NBA Draft..."
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The Philadelphia 76ers select the University of Kentucky, Duke University, and the 1982-83 Philadelphia 76ers.

  

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92. "I must say, I do like the &quot;its just business&quot; approach being t..."
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After so many years paying/extending/catering to the likes of Andre Iguodala (who is good, but not THAT damn good), Elton Brand (old and washed up by this time), Chris Webber (see Elton Brand), etc..

Chopping heads is good as long as you don't burn bridges, Sam.

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96. "the Sermon on the Mount"
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https://soundcloud.com/kneubeck/hinkie-trade-deadline-presser

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113. "Thanks"
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99. "MCW was given every chance to prove he was star"
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which he is not. He is a nice piece and I would have no problem keeping him but that puts even more pressure on your shooting guard to carrying the load on outside shots.


Whats the worst rookie year or second year from a true star? And could you really not tell they were starts? Jordan, Bird, Magic, Bron, Timmy, Shaq, Kobe(Eddie Jones was starting over him, never got that) factoring in their teams wins. Point being, its easy to tell who is a true stud. MCW proved he was not, Noel is not. Saric and Embiid will have their chance to hit the floor to prove they are a man among boys and not just one of the guys.



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stop at the light mayne,
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100. "Yeah bro, be the next Kobe or get the fuck on with your sub-Kobe..."
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game.

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101. "lol..Sixers fans are a special breed"
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103. "I'd settle for him being the next brandon knight...."
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But he's not. And you know it.


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105. "what about the next Jrue Holiday?"
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106. "Hahaha...exactly"
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Good one
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129. "Jwho?"
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169. "Noel still needs to fill out. For a big this isnt a bad rookie campaign."
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172. "I see him somewhere in the Tyson Chandler range"
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If he can get a 10-12 jumper to match the D I would be happy.

But I would trade him if we could get a top 5 lottery pick in the Thon Maker draft.

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102. "LOL@ guru in here tryin to claim Duck Sauce isn't garbage after the fact"
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Spare us the pseudo-Celtic-Pride, no one's buying that bullshit for all the kicks in China.

For the record regarding yesterday's activity, the MCW & KJ trades were the first moves Hinkie Dinky Dawg has made that I haven't been all about on its face but I guess they saw enough to decide to sell-high on MC Dub and didn't think they could re-sign KJ after the season.

I prolly woulda left both but with four first-round picks in this next draft I'd imagine things will look a lot different.

  

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104. "There's like 3 guys in this draft with star potential"
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All those picks and you're still likely ending up with more MCW trades in your future.

I'm just mad the Bucks punted on BK to get that loserball playing turd
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108. "You can't be a friend now bro. Let Giannis play pg like you wanted."
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2344075&mesg_id=2344075&listing_type=search#2384692

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110. "I'd rather have kept BK for the playoffs and let him walk this offseason"
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I think we got actively worse by trading Hero Ball for Loserball.

We've already had a PG who can't shoot or finish,and I didn't like Scrubby Ass Gunner the first time
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111. "Alright, I'll stop being mad about the BK shade. But this is..."
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what I think.

I don't think MCW is as good as BK or will be. And he's older by a few months. I'm not sure his skills mesh well with the roster either. Because you have 2 guys already who's unique skills (Jabari & Giannis) would lend them to be ball handlers and playmakers. And that's what MCW thinks he is, but he can't shoot or make good decisions.

If I was a Bucks fan, I'd be puzzled by the move. It's a step back. Y'all could've won a series this year even without a future good to great player in Jabari.

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"That's exactly where I am with this"


  

          

BK is what he is,and on this particular team,he had a great role as the main scorer and he tries really really hard to get everyone involved. If you were gonna trade him,I would have rather gotten a string of picks or a big body to help out Zaza and Henson. We could have taken out Atlanta or the Raptors in round 1. And the experience would have been huge for Giannis and Henson.


Now,if it turns out that Ennis can be serviceable,and that MCW is there for length,then I can be sort of happy.


And if the real reason for this was to say to Giannis and Jabari that the team is absolutely theirs,even better. But Giannis needs to be the focal point of the team now. And for God's sake dont let Captain Loserball shoot.Ever
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112. "That's exactly where I am with this"
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BK is what he is,and on this particular team,he had a great role as the main scorer and he tries really really hard to get everyone involved. If you were gonna trade him,I would have rather gotten a string of picks or a big body to help out Zaza and Henson. We could have taken out Atlanta or the Raptors in round 1. And the experience would have been huge for Giannis and Henson.


Now,if it turns out that Ennis can be serviceable,and that MCW is there for length,then I can be sort of happy.


And if the real reason for this was to say to Giannis and Jabari that the team is absolutely theirs,even better. But Giannis needs to be the focal point of the team now. And for God's sake dont let Captain Loserball shoot.Ever
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114. "And truthfully, you know BK's my guy, but how much $ could..."
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he make on the open market?

Most teams have a pg. If he can make 8-10 for 5 years, that's good. I don't see him getting Bledsoe money.

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115. "all it takes is one"
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117. "He's probably gonna get 12-13 over 4-5 years"
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I'd rather pay Middleton to be the shooter to complement Giannis and Jabari.


Giannis deal coming up is where the interest lies. He's gonna get a ton of cash. And he'll be 22 when he signs it. Him and Jabari are the franchise,and I just think Kidd didn't see enough from Knight to make that a big 3
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118. "I still have reservations on Giannis. For all we know he could.."
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end up being Batum 2.0. Looks like he should something. Shows flashes. But just a regular athletic wing.

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120. "Nah, he's already shown to be different mentally"
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Batum's problem is that he's soft and Nyquilly

Giannis is hawk

He gets mad and the whole 9

He wanna be great

Not sure he will be, but he doesn't have Batum
Nyquil issues


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123. "We don't know that yet. "
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Giannis has shown flashes. And faded at times. That is at least Zzzquil

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121. "A 7 foot Batum is a superstar"
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122. "A 7 foot Batum is a guy that has to bend down lower to nutpunch"
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124. "LMFAO!"
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>We could have taken out Atlanta or the Raptors in
>round 1.

No one can ever question your homerism, ill give you that

  

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128. "I'm just mad you think anybody but you gives a fuck bout the Bucks"
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143. "Covington the Gawd"
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107. "Make another Evan Turner post bro."
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Maybe someone will reply to it this time.

probably not though.

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126. "prolly not, since nobody cares about that bum "
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>Maybe someone will reply to it this time.
>
>probably not though.
>

  

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109. "sell high? "
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After the Lakers use 2 first round picks of their own this year, the space to sign a max player (Dragic?), and get back Randle...

I dont think the pick the Sixers *actually* get will not be thought of as good value for the reigning ROY

  

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127. "The Laker pick is for this year's draft, sporty"
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>After the Lakers use 2 first round picks of their own this
>year, the space to sign a max player (Dragic?), and get back
>Randle...
>
>I dont think the pick the Sixers *actually* get will not be
>thought of as good value for the reigning ROY

  

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130. "it would be...if the LAL werent comfortably in the protected range"
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132. "4th worst record at worst ain't all that comfortable"
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134. "i suppose in ordinal terms 4 is close to 6"
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But look at the teams around them

They have a better chance of falling behind utah than passing minny

  

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142. "Yeah, even Hinkie expects the Lakers to keep it this year"
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but he's smart enough to know the Lakers are still gonna be a train wreck next year too no matter who they get while they try to fit in with Kobe in his last year, under Tommy Boy running the organization and devoid of any young talent on the roster besides Randall in recovery or any sane free agent piece coming there......all coached by Byron "Take This Bullet For Us" Scott.

That pick could be Top 5 next year and we keep it or a piece to flip in a deal.

The Lakers are in the Dino Radja Celtics era right now, working their way towards Al Davis level doom if they don't fix it after the jaw-jutter stops collecting checks.

And the good thing is the alumni, fanbase and decision-makers all still remain deludedly unaware of the biggest thing holding them back for going on four seasons now.

  

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131. "not if it's top 5"
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which it almost certainly will be.

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133. "I don't know where y'all are getting with the 'almost certain' bit"
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They're at fourth-worst, won't go lower, could go higher and would still be in range to get bumped out of the Top 5 with a break or two.

They'll suck again just as bad with less restriction next year if so anyway.

And keep in mind I'm not really even all that excited about the move.

Just saying.

That's a pretty solid asset with which to play with and use either for our own pick or package with other picks to get something of substance.

  

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135. "well, they won't fall any lower than 5th in lottery odds."
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as things stand:

NYK: 43 losses
MIN: 42
PHI: 41
LAL: 40
ORL: 39

then a pretty big gap to UTA/SAC @ 34

so they're closer to 1st than 6th.

if they finish 1st or 2nd worst, there's a 100% chance they keep
the pick. 3rd would drop the odds to 96%, 4th to 80%. even in 5th,
they're more likely to keep it than not (55.3%)

and i'm sure they'd be smart enough to strategically tank the last
couple games if absolutely necessary.

so like i said, they're almost certainly keeping it this year.

>That's a pretty solid asset with which to play with and use
>either for our own pick or package with other picks to get
>something of substance.

no dispute there.

how u btw?

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136. "they ain't sniffing first or second, I think we/NYK got that on lock now"
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>as things stand:
>
>NYK: 43 losses
>MIN: 42
>PHI: 41
>LAL: 40
>ORL: 39
>
>then a pretty big gap to UTA/SAC @ 34
>
>so they're closer to 1st than 6th.
>
>if they finish 1st or 2nd worst, there's a 100% chance they
>keep
>the pick. 3rd would drop the odds to 96%, 4th to 80%. even in
>5th,
>they're more likely to keep it than not (55.3%)
>
>and i'm sure they'd be smart enough to strategically tank the
>last
>couple games if absolutely necessary.
>
I'm not sure, they're a pretty strong combination of prideful and dumb as a collective organization these days.

>so like i said, they're almost certainly keeping it this
>year.
>
perhaps, they'll be a Top 3-5 worst team next year too though and Hinkie may not even plan on keeping the pick until then anyway.....I have no idea what to expect on draft night besides activity.

>>That's a pretty solid asset with which to play with and use
>>either for our own pick or package with other picks to get
>>something of substance.
>
>no dispute there.
>
>how u btw?
>
Doing aight, brotha, how about yourself?

I been traveling a bit the past few weeks and just started a new gig this week so ain't really been around BurgerWorld lately but I'd imagine I'll be here a bit more often come spring.

  

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116. "https://twitter.com/bball_ref/status/568512623613841410"
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https://twitter.com/bball_ref/status/568512623613841410

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125. "2019 8th seed berth! and franklin the blue dog! get excited!"
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yea its still arguably year 2 of a rebuild

but before it was year 2 of a 4yr rebuild

now its yr 2 of 6yr plan
except if embiid doesnt avg 18 and 10 in 2017, with high GRiT metrics, i guess we restart the clock again


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138. "nerlens balling "
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10/10/10 possible tonight.
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139. "Damn, missed the triple double by a board and a block"
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>10/10/10 possible tonight.
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141. "Hinkie Dinky Dawg on with Mikey Miss to talk deadline deals "
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http://www.975thefanatic.com/teams/sixers/2015/02/20/mike-miss-talks-with-sixers-gm-sam-hinkie

I apologize for even casting any aspersions or hints of hesitation with what Hinkie Dinky Dawg is doing.

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144. "so trading last seson's rookie of the year for some picks..."
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here's the thing that makes the sixers strategy bogus..

whatever strategy you employ with a team...there are a couple of end games that you will have to get to .... like...winning games....and developing players...

if you tank ...and tank...and tank...and make trades....and tank...and tank... at some point you have to get to the end game of winning and developing players...

the Sixers seem to be avoiding the end game...purposely...

if you can't develop MCW into a player to build around...you have a major problem....

sure trading him for picks allows you to tank some more this season and continue this cycle ...but the end game seems to have less of a priority with the Sixers....

not being able to develop MCW is a failure.... there is no guarantee that you will get players with these picks that will rise to the level of a league rookie of the year..

if you can't develop young players to build around...so you can win..and attract free agents..whatever you want to call your strategy ..analytics or whatever the hell...that shit is garbage and people need to be fired and people who believing in winning games and developing players should be hired...

the fact that this fukked up strategy is getting passed off as some sort of legit brilliance is just a plea cop for an organization that has sadly fallen into being a yearly joke...

and yep..I know the Lakers suck .... but the strategy isn't to suck.... we just aren't very good this year...but rest assured we are building to win, and getting players we can develop and win with...

that's what this is supposed to be about....you ain't gonna win all the time...er'body has to rebuild...even the greatest franchise in modern pro sports history....

  

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145. "Thanks for the awful Nash trade and the lotto pick"
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147. "Lol, you were resigned to another Lakers ring after that trade "
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The 20/20 hindsight peanut gallery act is always fun but I distinctly remember you (along w the majority of OKP) being scared as shit when that deal went down.

Cue your response of "I under-estimated xyz"....

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152. "LOL, I killed that awful trade when it happened, the Howard trade was"
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the one that struck fear in my heart but was necessary for us to have a shot at Bynum.

We saw how that worked out tho and now the Lakers have about the worst outlook in the league save the Knicks and then we got Hinkie Dinky Dawg gaming the system for a potential long-view stable of young elite talent.

So again, thanks to Jimmy and Kobe and 45-year-old Steve Nash for that.

I wouldn't trade our place with yours from here out for all the Li Nings in China.

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155. "Bull and shit on you lambasting the Nash deal"
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The only thing you had to say in the "Nash traded to Lakers" post (looking at it right now, in the archives) was two snide remarks about Kobe....nothing negative about the actual deal...yeh, you totally "killed" it. I also distinctly remember the 2012-13 prediction posts and there was not a single person saying shit about it, including some who were resigned to the Lakers winning again and other to Kobe getting his 6th (one of which was you). So I'll say again, FOH with the peanut gallery 20/20 revisionism.

Say all you want about the current situations, that's completely fair...but don't try to pull some fake, contorting history shit about the Nash deal.

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156. "RE: Bull and shit on you lambasting the Nash deal"
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>The only thing you had to say in the "Nash traded to Lakers"
>post (looking at it right now, in the archives) was two snide
>remarks about Kobe....nothing negative about the deal. I also
>distinctly remember the 2012-13 prediction posts and there was
>not a single person saying shit about it, including some who
>were resigned to the Lakers winning again and other to Kobe
>getting his 6th (one of which was you). So I'll say again, FOH
>with the peanut gallery 20/20 hindsight.
>
Man everybody knew trading four picks (two firsts) and a re-up for a 40-year-old moving away from the Phoenix training staff was a little crazy, only becoming more so once Kobe alienated Dwight of course but was always a complete overpay leaving them with an old non-defending backcourt.

I said as much on these boards and on our show later.

The Dwight shit was the one that scared me and prepared me to be ready for the worst (6) but with the hope that the Sixers might have a shot at a real big man.

>Say all you want about the current situations, that's
>completely fair...but don't try to pull some fake, contorting
>history shit about the Nash deal.

You're conflating two deals.

The big one was the one that seemingly made HGH He-Man Action-Figure the bridge from the Kobe era to the next one.

But then Jimmy, Kobe and well.....you know the rest.....and they a mess.

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146. "My guy, I've been arguing the same points with Sixer fans for months"
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at some point you gotta stop punting waiting for year 2 Durant to show up on your draft board and develop somebody.

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153. "They flipped the 11 pick & leagues worst shooter outside three feet "
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into either the #6 pick this year or #4-7 pick next year, while acquiring additional first rounder for Thad Young (already traded again for KG's corpse) and taking on JaVale McGee's deal (which will have no effect on their cap and ends before the new CBA bump).

They also moved Jwho Holiday for Nerlens Noel (sneaky ROY contender and at worst a rim-protector who will be able to guard three positions), Dario Saric (2 time Player of the Year in Europe by age 20), another late-first and a second.

Y'all can keep talking this 'eventually' game like Hinkie hasn't only been on the job for 18 months so far if you want to do so.

Smart Sixer Fans who havent had shit to cheer about in 25 years besides AI or won a title in 32 years, have more sense and patience than that.

I was fine riding out for another few years with MCW, I concede some of his awful metrics are a byproduct of cast (tho he couldn't shoot at Cuse either), he certainly was a better pick than anything else they mighta got there outside Greek Freak.

But if they didn't see the sense in paying him a big re-up to pout about this process while being part of the long-term nucleus of guys they think could be championship-level talent?

Then "ship his ass out"(c)Kobe Bryant

The Lakers being shitty for another year after this season is one of the safest bets since UCLA getting 16 points on the line vs Arizona last night.

We're trying to have the assets and flexibility to build a team for a decade, taking full advantage of the system and suckers who allow us to do it and don't give a damn about all the dissenting opinions from motherfuckas who ain't aboard the mission with us.

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159. "Bro, I hear you. But if you get Mudiay or D'Angelo, they're gonna.."
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have to take time to develop them. Same with Okafor, Embiid, and whoever. So EVENTUALLY, they'll have to hunker down and make a team.

So until that happens or they show they're willing to do that I have reservations that it's another Rockets keep flipping picks until some magic happens type scenario.

It just doesn't seem like much of a plan to me. And if they end up with 6 bigs, then it'll really seem like a bizarre strategy.

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160. "RE: Bro, I hear you. But if you get Mudiay or D'Angelo, they're gonna.."
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>have to take time to develop them. Same with Okafor, Embiid,
>and whoever. So EVENTUALLY, they'll have to hunker down and
>make a team.
>
I understand that, they'd still be developing them at the same time they do Embiid, Saric and Nerlens further rather than having MCW coming up at the end of his deal while being upset about having to sacrifice stats and getting into spats with the org in the face of all the building losses.

>So until that happens or they show they're willing to do that
>I have reservations that it's another Rockets keep flipping
>picks until some magic happens type scenario.
>
Morey had a different standing with an ownership group who would not support him tanking and he was faced with two max-deal guys still under contract who couldn't physically play in Yao/TMac,

That being said, he raped Presti in the Harden deal and they got Dunce12 for less than he could have gotten in L.A. as a result.

Now it may turn out that Guy Smiley is a diminishing return since he never really learned how to play basketball rather than rely on his athleticism........but it was a risk they needed to take.

I don't know exactly what the Sixers are gonna do.

I just know that they have Nerlens, Embiid and Saric to go along with 8/9 selections (3/4 in the first) to go along with two additional firsts in the year after that along with having more money than any team in the league to spend in the biggest free agent summer in half a decade or more in 2016.

That is bigger than worrying about being burnt by not holding steady with our 23-year-old point guard with a suspect jumper.

>It just doesn't seem like much of a plan to me.
It's the plan that easily makes the most sense if your GM/Coach are empowered with job security by their ownership.

And if they
>end up with 6 bigs, then it'll really seem like a bizarre
>strategy.

Well, I don't see them ending up with 'six bigs' but if they end up being forced into three due to landing the top slot in this year's draft and selecting Okafor, then that's a dilemma I would welcome.

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163. "Heinke been in the job less than two years."
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At some point, yes, you have to build, but I'm jot near that point.

You don't develop superstars. You know right away who can be a superstar and who can't. No Sixer who has been on the court during the Heinke era will ever be a superstar, so Heinke continues in asset collection mode, as he should, Embiid shows out out or we draft the guy this year? then we'll develop.

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who wanna tell us that we've now exhausted that temporal threshold after 18 months.

To all of them I'd just like to say, don't worry for or about us, we'll be ok.

If you don't understand what's happening here it might be just better to remain quiet for a little longer until your case gets stronger.

You'll have plenty of time in two years to petition the league about the loopholes/market-inefficiencies we've explored in creating a dynasty or the spectacular failure that resulted from us lemmings who followed HDD or the NBA's Lyle Lanley off a cliff into an icy, black hole of professional basketball ignominy.

I'm still enjoying the process so far, can't hardly wait for the League's Best Tweeter and Best-Bet Generational Big to actually join this mess along with seeing what we do with this embarrassment of financial flexibility and draft-selection riches.

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168. "I love it when people tell me how much I should hate my team"
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171. "Basically. "
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148. "but the Red Wings havent missed the playoffs in 24 yrs"
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>that's what this is supposed to be
>about....you ain't gonna win all the >
>time...er'body has to rebuild...even the
>greatest franchise in modern pro sports
>history....

So the greatest franchise in pro sports actually does not seem to need to rebuild

  

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149. "Develop MCW into what exactly?"
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What do you think he max out as?


Do the 6ers have a superstar on their team now? Did they trade a superstar so far?


Who starts building with auxiliary pieces? What happens if we dont get the number one pick and are looking at bringing in Mudiay or Russell both whom handle the ball. Do we say, naw we got MCW?

I'm loving the fact that Hinkie is making short minded individuals head explode. Dudes have to pick sides and get mad over a player the caliber of future HOF MCW.

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stop at the light mayne,
my yester night thang got me hung off the night train "

  

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161. "an aside - im not sold on Russell as a primary ballhandler"
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imo
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164. "RE: an aside - im not sold on Russell as a primary ballhandler"
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He is careless at times but he also gets others very very easy buckets when he is running the offense. Either way, the deck is clear to take Russell or Mudiay w/o a second thought.


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stop at the light mayne,
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150. "We are building... "
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>here's the thing that makes the sixers strategy bogus..
>
>whatever strategy you employ with a team...there are a couple
>of end games that you will have to get to .... like...winning
>games....and developing players...
>
>if you tank ...and tank...and tank...and make trades....and
>tank...and tank... at some point you have to get to the end
>game of winning and developing players...
>
>the Sixers seem to be avoiding the end game...purposely...
>

We are developing players. A lot of time and effort goes into these guys. We're making strides. But that's not the issue here.


>if you can't develop MCW into a player to build around...you
>have a major problem....
>

Actually we did develop him. We gave him minutes, coaching, and freedom. He was ROY. What's funny is last summer folks were throwing out "weak draft class." He went to an NBA team that he can start on. Not the d league. He's going to be good for them. He's going to be fine. As will we.


>sure trading him for picks allows you to tank some more this
>season and continue this cycle ...but the end game seems to
>have less of a priority with the Sixers....
>
>not being able to develop MCW is a failure.... there is no
>guarantee that you will get players with these picks that will
>rise to the level of a league rookie of the year..
>
>if you can't develop young players to build around...so you
>can win..and attract free agents..whatever you want to call
>your strategy ..analytics or whatever the hell...that shit is
>garbage and people need to be fired and people who believing
>in winning games and developing players should be hired...
>

Failure is holding on to a player that may not fit what we're doing going forward. We're loading up on bigs. Having guards and wings who can defend and shoot is necessary. His shooting was an issue. A big one. So your answer is to keep hanging onto him to "develop". Too attract free agents? Those days are gone. The guys who matter call their own shots. Glamorous LA and The Basketball mecca whiffing these days. Hell Houston had to settle for ariza after going hard at multiple guys.

>the fact that this fukked up strategy is getting passed off as
>some sort of legit brilliance is just a plea cop for an
>organization that has sadly fallen into being a yearly
>joke...

It's not brilliance. It calculated risks. Nobody knows for sure. But it seems everybody against it is absolutely sure. And can't wait to shout it. So we haveto shiut baback. Even the people involved won't know for 5 yrs or so. Those people work for people who know better. Those dudes are venture capitalists. They would cire this group if they weren't satisfied.


>and yep..I know the Lakers suck .... but the strategy isn't to
>suck.... we just aren't very good this year...but rest assured
>we are building to win, and getting players we can develop and
>win with...
>
>that's what this is supposed to be about....you ain't gonna
>win all the time...er'body has to rebuild...even the greatest
>franchise in modern pro sports history....
>

Which is the point. We don't have the cache to just wait on big ticket free agents and the last regime left us talent poor. So we now have to build our talent back up. Just doing it via the draft.

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151. "thing is sixers fans hyped the hell out of MCW"
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now dumping him is whatever cause he's garbage
k
they have no credibility because they adjust according to Hinkie's moves
they're GM stans
we saw the same thing with the Morey poison pills and Top 5 TRob thing

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154. "who hyped the hell out of MCW? We said he was ROY of a terrible class"
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and that his arrival essentially replaced what you got from Jwho Holiday who they moved to N.O. for a King's Ransom.

Even when/if this plan was designed to be in full fruition (with Embiid, Saric, Nerlens and this year's picks) it was understood he was talent-wise going to need to be our 4th/5th best player for us to be good.

I balked when I first heard the deal but the more I think about it devoid of the emotion or fandom since he was one of the only recognizable faces of the past two seasons, I realize betting for a better asset compliments of the Laker Trainwreck than the 23-year-old 23% three-point shooter we got who the coach had trouble getting to buy in makes more sense.

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157. "you, mtbatol, bags,john_forte, djr. just do a search"
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there was a thread saying MCW would be top 10 in the league in 5 yrs....

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158. "nah u can do the search if u care, Top 10 what in 5 years, PG?"
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He may be........much like JWho could have been argued to be 18 months ago (and who you tried to tell me was better than John Wall).

But that doesn't make him the essential building block if Hinkie and the Coach don't like the way his attitude, contract status and ability to improve are coalescing more than they like a chance at a Top 6/7 lotto pick this year or a Top 4-6 pick next year, especially seeing that if they don't land the #1 pick in this draft with their own pick then they are likely going to take one of the point guards that they likely covet more than MCW.

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162. "i felt that felt way listening to presser."
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>I balked when I first heard the deal but the more I think
>about it devoid of the emotion or fandom since he was one of
>the only recognizable faces of the past two seasons, I realize
>betting for a better asset compliments of the Laker Trainwreck
>than the 23-year-old 23% three-point shooter we got who the
>coach had trouble getting to buy in makes more sense.
>

Most of the questions came off emotional. As did most of the initial responses. Logically it made too much sense. LA has been in the lottery two years now. Sans bron and love taking thier talents to Hollywood they'll be back next year. Healthy bean and all.
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165. "nobody respects Jim Buss and nobody wants to play with Old Kob "
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while the cupboard is absolutely bare on talent aside from (perhaps) one decent young player in Randle returning from a broken leg and the possibility of a lotto pick this year if they don't lose it to us.

There is a better chance that the Lakers keep their pick in 2016 for being one of the three worst teams in the league then there is they make the playoffs in the West.

And that's with or without Grouchy McGunnerson being in the lineup to chuck them in/out of games.

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167. "I'm not throwing confetti... but... I'm eager.. shits wisdom tooth pulli..."
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I'ma miss MCW and all but, he has the jumper of a wet noodle. It can get better but that's not a definite. There's a couple PGs who at the very least can knock down shots better.

And we do improve our chances of landing Okafor.. yaaay for that I guess :\

  

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170. "I will miss his passing ability and..."
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thats it.

When we played the Bucks he came out the gate to score 6pts in the 1st quarter and then could only muster 1 more point the rest of the game.

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173. "The key to a caffeine heavy lifestyle is hydrating. "
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