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"Boxing: Is Gennady Golovkin Overrated?"
Thu Oct-09-14 01:39 AM by Rolo_Tomasi

          

To me Gennady Golovkin is probably the most exciting boxer fighting today - i'm not saying the best or the most complete - just the most exciting. He has gained a reputation as a knock out machine (27 KOs in 30 pro fights).

He has the amateur pedigree (Silver Olympic medal in 2004) and he has power.

However, he isn't a recognisable name yet apart from boxing heads who tend to love him and thats where I wonder if he is overrated. He's keeping busy and for the second straight year fighting three times each year. All of them knock outs.

GGG doesn't have a big name victory on his resume. His next fight is against Marco Antonio Rubio on 18th October and a victory here should make him the name to watch in 2015. He should go main stream next year.

The problem he faces is no-one really wants to fight him because he has been demolishing opponents with his power. People think they are going to get hurt.

Because he has been smashing opponents it is hard to know how good GGG's defence is as he mostly comes forward. Will he get found out against a supremely technical boxer?

By the end of 2015 he needs to have fought against Cotto or Alvarez or maybe even Andre Ward if Ward is able to fight next year. I think he'd beat both Cotto and Alvarez but Ward's style does not suit GGG. I would love for him to fight Mayweather but it seems an unfair mismatch and Floyd would never face GGG.

If you don't know who i'm talking about check out this video
Greatest Hits: Gennady Golovkin (HBO Boxing):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XADmJl18CfA&spfreload=1

  

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He's currently my favorite fighter
Oct 09th 2014
1
he's in the same boat as keith thurman
Oct 09th 2014
2
RE: he's in the same boat as keith thurman
Oct 09th 2014
11
Spot on.^^^^
Oct 12th 2014
31
He could fight ward tomorrow. He won't nm
Oct 18th 2014
49
      Ward could've fought Kovalev yesterday, but he didn't.
Oct 19th 2014
62
           Do you really think Ward's afraid to fight anybody?
Oct 21st 2014
           Do you really think Ward's afraid to fight anybody?
Oct 21st 2014
86
                I mean, the nigga hand-picked Sakio Bika for a tune-up fight.... so no.
Oct 22nd 2014
92
Quite simply: We don't know yet.
Oct 09th 2014
3
http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=31593&cat=boxer
Oct 09th 2014
4
I agree 10000 % but this is my only gripe with MW
Oct 11th 2014
22
Kelly Pavlik & Jeff Lacy don't have GGG's chin nor GGG's footwork
Oct 11th 2014
28
Mogs always gotta act like they Bert Sugar on here
Oct 16th 2014
43
no
Oct 09th 2014
5
This
Oct 09th 2014
9
      haha okay, guy who picked hatton over floyd in a 24 foot ring
Oct 09th 2014
12
           Don't remember that, but Hatton looked good through 5 Lol
Oct 09th 2014
17
                Hatton fought his heart out, Floyd was just simply out of his league.
Oct 09th 2014
18
                Castillo was SHOT to hell and Collazo had already exposed Hatton
Oct 17th 2014
45
                     Cotto versus Mayweather now at middleweight
Oct 17th 2014
46
                you're right, but where's the fun in that?
Oct 10th 2014
20
There's a few fighters that I could see giving him problems, Ward
Oct 09th 2014
6
What can he do in 2015?
Oct 09th 2014
7
not overrated. solid amateur career.
Oct 09th 2014
8
I remember when you said that about Brandon Rios.
Oct 09th 2014
10
      RE: I remember when you said that about Brandon Rios.
Oct 09th 2014
16
I think he's untested, but not overrated. I think the fact that dude pun...
Oct 09th 2014
13
he's all right but again who has he fought?
Oct 09th 2014
14
I would love to see that fight. I think Kirkland gets KO'd though.
Oct 09th 2014
15
I LOVE James Kirkland, but he wouldn't last 3 rounds with GGG.
Oct 12th 2014
34
      Yeah, Kirkland's way too chinny to trade with GGG
Oct 12th 2014
35
           oh he'll trade w/ GGG - whether he'll win is another story.
Oct 12th 2014
37
yes
Oct 09th 2014
19
Gennady Golovkin Avoided in 2015
Oct 11th 2014
21
james kirkland would love to fight him.
Oct 11th 2014
23
      Kirkland vs GGG on the undercard of Cotto-Alvarez would be great
Oct 11th 2014
24
      agreed nm
Oct 11th 2014
25
      That card would be amazing. I'd pay no problem...
Oct 11th 2014
26
      Floyd doesn't have that date locked in ?
Oct 11th 2014
27
      Cotto/Alvarez would trump Floyd on 5th May
Oct 12th 2014
32
      Kirkland is a dumbass.....he already turned down a chance to fight Rosad...
Oct 11th 2014
30
           Kirkland is a dumbass.....totally agree
Oct 12th 2014
33
           Oh, word?
Feb 27th 2015
115
      Kirkland isn't getting off the mat against GGG unlike his previous bouts
Oct 11th 2014
29
           you say that as if it's a bad thing.
Oct 12th 2014
36
HBO Podcast talking about the Rubio bout
Oct 14th 2014
38
jermain taylor?? i didn't even know he was still active
Oct 16th 2014
41
      He has a belt now too.
Oct 16th 2014
42
      He's going to end up in a coma if he gets into the ring against GGG
Oct 18th 2014
57
The making of a Los Angeles boxing attraction (swipe)
Oct 16th 2014
39
i'm used to being able to buy tickets to fights at Stubhub on the day of
Oct 16th 2014
40
      Really really wanted to go to this fight...
Oct 16th 2014
44
GGG's 2015: Four fights planned
Oct 18th 2014
47
He's not overrated. But this idea that he's being avoided is some bullsh...
Oct 18th 2014
48
GGG is not afraid of Ward
Oct 18th 2014
50
No.
Oct 19th 2014
63
they asked the dude who is one of the champs in a division or two higher...
Oct 18th 2014
54
      He's becoming the new Margarito aura wise as the cat nobody wants to fig...
Oct 18th 2014
56
Link anyone?
Oct 18th 2014
51
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_h1UkyYAko
Oct 19th 2014
59
Down goes Rubio!
Oct 18th 2014
52
Annnnd another bites the dust...I can't see anyone who would be
Oct 18th 2014
53
He has those Hands of Stones...cats knees buckle w/ every shot
Oct 18th 2014
55
I love Nonito...
Oct 18th 2014
58
You buggin.
Oct 19th 2014
65
      Not questioning his heart in the ring...
Oct 20th 2014
82
           Ok, I hear what u sayin.
Oct 20th 2014
83
                Oh Damn: Nonito Eyes Comeback Fight in Philippines
Oct 21st 2014
89
                     I mean... I get it.
Oct 21st 2014
90
                          Who is there to fight at 122 other than Rigo? He bett'not.
Oct 22nd 2014
93
GGG said he wants Cotto!
Oct 19th 2014
60
RE: GGG said he wants Cotto!
Oct 19th 2014
64
      GGG fighting Cotto before Ward
Oct 19th 2014
67
      Cotto ain't never ducked anyone but I highly doubt Canelo wants GGG
Oct 19th 2014
70
      Nobody was labeling Canelo "a pussy" for calling out Floyd
Oct 19th 2014
71
I want to see him move up and fight Ward
Oct 20th 2014
76
      Ward will smother him up & beat him up inside
Oct 20th 2014
79
      RE: I want to see him move up and fight Ward
Feb 27th 2015
120
Well we know Nick Walters aint overrated. DAMN.
Oct 19th 2014
61
GGG is a middleweight Edwin Valero (r.i.p.)..... minus the crazy shit.
Oct 19th 2014
66
Yall hyping this dude too much. let's not. Nm
Oct 19th 2014
68
Valero was a reckless fighter ala a young Pacquiao
Oct 19th 2014
69
      You might be talkin reckless, but Valero was far from reckless.
Oct 20th 2014
77
           All I was saying was Valero was reckless in relative to GGG
Oct 20th 2014
78
                Yeah well he's not quite as batshit as V-nam,
Oct 20th 2014
84
both of last night's KO hooks were something to watch.
Oct 19th 2014
72
GGG x Canelo = fireworks
Oct 19th 2014
73
RE: GGG x Canelo = fireworks
Oct 19th 2014
75
His jab is retarded too.
Oct 21st 2014
87
Dat Kostya Tszyu
Oct 19th 2014
74
I just don't understand that kind of heavy-handedness
Oct 20th 2014
80
donaire was doing too much with that "he beat theshit out of me&quo...
Oct 20th 2014
81
RE:
Oct 21st 2014
85
      i'm talking about his fighters not being able to make weight
Oct 21st 2014
91
           Oh, damn.
Oct 23rd 2014
94
As SPM mentioned though, Keith Thurman is being ducked like a muhfucka
Oct 21st 2014
88
Feb. 21 (HBO): GGG vs Martin Murray in Monte Carlo (swipe)
Oct 25th 2014
95
GGG wants to go the distance not for KO - (swipe)
Feb 20th 2015
96
Fight about to start.
Feb 21st 2015
97
this guy's power is incredible
Feb 21st 2015
98
      Round 3 and 4...whooo not so young Kostya
Feb 21st 2015
99
lol British Announcer so proud of Murray
Feb 21st 2015
100
That's was a Rocky like performance
Feb 21st 2015
101
He won't get KO'd but he'll get dominated by Ward
Feb 21st 2015
102
      Why would you really want to see it if he would get dominated?
Feb 21st 2015
103
           Because it's amazing to see a fighter so good
Feb 21st 2015
104
Nobody else caught this?
Feb 22nd 2015
105
I watched it. I was surprised it went 11. Murray is tough!
Feb 22nd 2015
106
      Canelo is booked...so its Cotto or Ward i think
Feb 22nd 2015
107
           Yeah I agree with pretty much all of this.
Feb 22nd 2015
108
           Still no-one wants to get in the ring with GGG
Feb 22nd 2015
109
           main problem with GGG is he's 32
Feb 22nd 2015
110
                A young 32
Feb 23rd 2015
111
           Ward will need a tune up or two
Feb 23rd 2015
112
           Cotto will NEVER fight an undefeated GGG. Never.
Feb 28th 2015
121
1st of all Kirkland is going to beat the shit outta Canelo.
Feb 23rd 2015
113
Kirkland has a reeeeeal suspect chin.
Feb 24th 2015
114
he from houston or something? he's not lasting 3 rounds
Feb 27th 2015
116
minuswell be. & LOL.
Feb 27th 2015
117
He didn't do himself any favors firing his trainer
Feb 27th 2015
118
      RE: He didn't do himself any favors firing his trainer
Feb 27th 2015
119
So... who's next?
May 18th 2015
122
RE: So... who's next?
May 18th 2015
123
      His response to the Ward question was notable.
May 18th 2015
125
           Ward has been talking about it lately.
May 18th 2015
126
                the path hes trying to take is the smart one
May 18th 2015
128
                NO. NO. NO. That never actually happened.
May 18th 2015
130
                     RE: NO. NO. NO. That never actually happened.
May 18th 2015
131
                     Floyd moved up to fight boxing's biggest star
May 18th 2015
134
                          Ward can't even draw in his own hometown n/m
May 18th 2015
135
                               It's sad considering he's about #2 P4P
May 19th 2015
138
                absolutely no reason to go up and fight Ward at this point
May 18th 2015
133
he's pound for pound #1 guy IMO right now.
May 18th 2015
124
With the resume of fighters he's fought? How is that even possible?
May 18th 2015
127
It's WC, don't expect consistency
May 18th 2015
132
NOW he's overrated
May 18th 2015
129
      Floyd has to fight the avengers while WC's satisfied with GGG beating Mo...
May 21st 2015
144
Genady Golovkin/K2 Promotions
May 19th 2015
136
Because he is the MANDATORY challenger for Cotto's MW strap!
May 19th 2015
137
yes he will get washed by SOG, cotto, MW, and Nelo
May 19th 2015
139
SOG, MW can't call it... but he's 100% mutilating the other two
May 19th 2015
140
      definitely.
May 19th 2015
141
      Lara would give him problems
May 19th 2015
142
Looks like GGG vs. Froch may be up next.
May 21st 2015
143
good test for his power against bigger guys
May 21st 2015
145
That's a great fight at this stage in GGG's career. Froch is still...
May 22nd 2015
147
      This is exactly the fight I want him to take.
May 22nd 2015
148
      It's not a question of him...
May 22nd 2015
149
      in the end Ward will make him look like Abraham
May 22nd 2015
150
           naw.... I could see a Ward victory... but not like that
May 22nd 2015
151
                yeah I thought that about several cats Ward fought
May 22nd 2015
152
                     i do have a history of underestimating him myself so... *shrugs*
May 25th 2015
153
right now he is a Goose among Ducks.
May 21st 2015
146
Cotto didn't sound to eager to fight GGG in the post-fight.
Jun 06th 2015
154
Cotto has fought anyone who's anybody in his range
Jun 06th 2015
155
That was as close to straight up "no" youll ever see
Jun 07th 2015
157
Cotto had the middleweight strap for a year without ever defending it
Jun 07th 2015
156

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1. "He's currently my favorite fighter"
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I would love to see him get a shot at (and probably destroy) a big name.
No one wants to see GGG though.

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2. "he's in the same boat as keith thurman"
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looks too good for his own good
his brand is building faster than thurmans though, it's going be hard for ppl to avoid him the more popular he becomes

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11. "RE: he's in the same boat as keith thurman"
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>looks too good for his own good
>his brand is building faster than thurmans though, it's going
>be hard for ppl to avoid him the more popular he becomes

I agree. Neither are acceptable risk at their respective weight classes for the bigger name fighters. I really don't see GGG getting a fight with Cotto, Canelo, or Chavev at 160. He will probably have to go to 168 to face Ward if he wants a big fight. You can really throw Andre Ward in this category as well. If the GGG fight doesn't happen, he will have to go to 175 to face Stevenson or Kovalev. If he fought Froch today, he would probably have split the purse 50/50 and the fight would have to be in London.




  

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31. "Spot on.^^^^"
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>looks too good for his own good
>his brand is building faster than thurmans though, it's going
>be hard for ppl to avoid him the more popular he becomes

  

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49. "He could fight ward tomorrow. He won't nm"
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62. "Ward could've fought Kovalev yesterday, but he didn't."
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"Do you really think Ward's afraid to fight anybody?"


  

          

Really?

  

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86. "Do you really think Ward's afraid to fight anybody?"
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Really?

  

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92. "I mean, the nigga hand-picked Sakio Bika for a tune-up fight.... so no."
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3. "Quite simply: We don't know yet."
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He looks great and has a glittery string of incredible knock-outs, and his punching power seems out of this world. That said, until he fights a real top-tier guy, we just don't have a reliable barometer upon which to assess him.

Same thing with Kovalev. Now we will see if he's the real deal when he fights B-hop. He could by dynamic, or he could be another bloated prospect who will be exposed by a master class boxer when he finally stepped up.

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4. "http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=31593&cat=boxer"
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http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=31593&cat=boxer

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?cat=boxer&human_id=15844


Nah, he better than that, but still, O_E be looking
like this at big punchers:

http://thegradstudentway.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/skeptical-baby.jpg


O_E just shuts his trap on these big punchers
until I see them SQUIRM out a victory

Like, I didn't know Roy Jones was an all time great
until Hopkins I

Didn't know Floyd was great until Castillo

Didn't know Pacquiao was great until he avenged
that ass whooping by Morales

Didn't know Tyson was great until Razor Ruddock

You gotta squirm to be great, no matter how
gifted you are

HAVE to


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22. "I agree 10000 % but this is my only gripe with MW"
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We never seen him squirm
He dominated Chico

Closest we came was JLC I




  

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28. "Kelly Pavlik & Jeff Lacy don't have GGG's chin nor GGG's footwork "
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Arthur Abraham is a counter puncher while GGG is a pressure fighter. Rios meanwhile doesn't have GGG's power.

If anything GGG is Fernando Vargas w/ a dynamite chin

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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43. "Mogs always gotta act like they Bert Sugar on here"
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>Like, I didn't know Roy Jones was an all time great
>until Hopkins I
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5. "no"
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of course i'm wrong all the time, but i'm convinced this guy is a top p4p candidate for years to come. it's not just his power, it's also everything on top of it. excellent footwork, amazing at cutting off the ring, good jab with a lot of force behind it, and he can counter when he needs to also.

  

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9. "This"
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>of course i'm wrong all the time

That you are

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12. "haha okay, guy who picked hatton over floyd in a 24 foot ring"
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17. "Don't remember that, but Hatton looked good through 5 Lol"
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Real spit, though, never trust a guy who has been
mopping the floor with dudes, punching heads off

Only get on board after you've seen the full arsenal,
and a tough victory

Remember: Andre Ward wasn't mowing cats down like
that early...he was winning easily, but not like *that(

Hell, even Dirrell is still relevant where Arthur Abraham
isn't anymore...Abraham was demolishing cats...Dirrell
was showing the full range of skills


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

  

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18. "Hatton fought his heart out, Floyd was just simply out of his league."
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That said, a lot of very smart people in boxing picked Hatton. He was
fresh off destroying Castillo w/ that patented bully, hold, and body-blo
style, and people still had Floyd-Castillo I in their psyche....Hatton was
game and it wasn't all that crazy to pick him in that fight - lot of people did.

Thing is, the world didn't know just *how* dominant of a boxer Floyd
was at that time. I distinctively remember saying after that fight that
I would never have Floyd as the underdog again. I thought it was
at that exact moment that Floyd transcended from a great fighter
to an All-Time Great fighter.

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45. "Castillo was SHOT to hell and Collazo had already exposed Hatton "
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at 147.

the Hattton win is way overrated.

i'm still pissed at Floyd for never fighting prime Cotto, Margarito, Paul Williams or Pacquiao.

i appreciate $May, but we'll never really know how great he was above 130/135.

  

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46. "Cotto versus Mayweather now at middleweight"
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Cotto wins with ease if he fought Mayweather at this current time at middleweight.

I would lose even more faith in boxing if Floyd somehow arranges to fight Jermain Taylor for the Middleweight belt just so he can claim a "title" at another weight division. It is already being talked about and Taylor would probably take it because the money would be right. Please bar Al Haymon from controlling so much of boxing, it is currently a problem. However, I am intrigued by Haymon's potential TV plans for next year to bring boxing back to network TV.

  

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20. "you're right, but where's the fun in that?"
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i'm getting in on the ground floor and will take my L if i have to.

>
>Only get on board after you've seen the full arsenal,
>and a tough victory
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6. "There's a few fighters that I could see giving him problems, Ward"
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being the first to come to mind

Canelo would also be a good test for him

Maaaybe Chavez Jr. just becaus Chavez does have a chin but I'd still favor GGG in a matchup between the two

I think he'd put Cotto to sleep

Floyd on his way out, no way he'd get in the ring w/him

Having said that, I don't think he's overrated

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7. "What can he do in 2015?"
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Lets say GGG wins this month against Marco Antonio Rubio probably by KO but it doesn't really matter.

What is GGG's next step? One fight in the 1Q in 2015 in a big market (LA/NYC or Vegas) on HBO again and possibly the last time for a while on cable before he moves to PPV.

If we are to believe speculation in the boxing world Cotto and Alvarez will fight at MSG on Cinco De Mayo 2015 which will be a huge fight. Can GGG persuade the winner of that fight to box him before the end of the year?

The problem is who of any quality will fight him next year? Al Haymon reps new title holder Jermain Taylor, Hassan N'Dam and Peter Quillin and he'll probably get those three to fight each other leaving GGG with ?

I mean who can GGG get to fight him? Segio Martinez or Kelly Pavlik might if the purse is big enough. Someone like Felix Sturm would not be a valid fight as he has lost to people that GGG has already beaten easily.

Would GGG have to move up in weight to get a good fight. Imagine a fight against Carl Froch that would be a war both fighters have such heavy hands.

  

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8. "not overrated. solid amateur career. "
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hits like a fkn mule. he's got some skills too. just haven't seen him tested in the pro ranks yet.

he's good enough to be in there with any of the big doggs at this point. the problem is, he doesn't bring enough revenue to the equation yet to make it worth the ass whooping that most of them would take from him. but his following is growing fast.

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10. "I remember when you said that about Brandon Rios. "
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Just saying


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16. "RE: I remember when you said that about Brandon Rios. "
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ok...

i may have said something similar.

but i think ggg is a better caliber of all around fighter compared to a brandon rios.

time will tell.

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13. "I think he's untested, but not overrated. I think the fact that dude pun..."
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straight, with so much power, is gonna give most guys his weight problems. There are guys who have legit punching power, but they aren't accurate and just loop shit all over the place. He doesn't and he's also a stalker that is good at cutting off the ring, which so many pressure fighters don't do well.

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14. "he's all right but again who has he fought?"
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Put him in with James Kirkland let's see what's popping

  

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15. "I would love to see that fight. I think Kirkland gets KO'd though."
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34. "I LOVE James Kirkland, but he wouldn't last 3 rounds with GGG."
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i think he would KO Cotto. Canelo-- 50/50. but Gennady is out of his league.

  

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35. "Yeah, Kirkland's way too chinny to trade with GGG"
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37. "oh he'll trade w/ GGG - whether he'll win is another story."
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19. "yes"
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21. "Gennady Golovkin Avoided in 2015"
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So Dan Rafael from ESPN commented that if GGG wins next weekend which he is favoured to do then the following fighters make sense

"Cotto, Canelo, Ward, Chavez Jr., Froch, Quillin, Jacobs. Any of those guys would suffice. None are likely and not because GGG would look to avoid them".

If he doesn't fight any of those guys in 2015 or another big name then the sport of boxing shows how irrelevant it has become in the way it is managed. It is ridiculous how not just one fighter (the champion) can avoid a particular fighter but how most boxers in a weight division can avoid a feared fighter and stop the progress of that feared fighter's career.

This is a good interview with GGG about being avoided: (although several months old).

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=11063500

  

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23. "james kirkland would love to fight him. "
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& thats a fight many boxing fans would love to see


does it really matter?

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24. "Kirkland vs GGG on the undercard of Cotto-Alvarez would be great"
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If Kirkland wants GGG and remember GGG isn't going to have a lot of boxers that want to face him then it would be perfect to have GGG face Kirkland on the undercard of the supposedly happening Cotto vs Alvarez Cinco de Mayo 2015 fight.

All of the fighters should be under contract with HBO so they could make it happen. As its a PPV GGG's presence on the card could even boost the PPV numbers.

The winner of both bouts face each other later in the year. It makes great sense.

  

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25. "agreed nm"
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does it really matter?

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26. "That card would be amazing. I'd pay no problem..."
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and that's saying something.

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27. "Floyd doesn't have that date locked in ?"
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32. "Cotto/Alvarez would trump Floyd on 5th May "
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Who if Floyd going to fight on 5th May in what would be a bigger fight than Cotto vs Alvarez.

Considering PBF's next opponents are likely to be Amir Khan/Keith Thurman/Kell Brock or AN Other then he won't be able to demand 5th May if a Mexican/Puerto Rican super fight is bookable on the same date.

  

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30. "Kirkland is a dumbass.....he already turned down a chance to fight Rosad..."
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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33. "Kirkland is a dumbass.....totally agree"
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Kirkland has talent but no common sense or business sense. He is sabotaging his own career with his decisions. If he gets a high profile fight offered to him he should take it. Winning said fight changes the game for him.

  

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115. "Oh, word?"
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29. "Kirkland isn't getting off the mat against GGG unlike his previous bouts"
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That muphucka's chin takes a couple of round to warm up ala Tito....dude basically has had his knees buckle every time he steps into the ring. GGG would put him to sleep once he gets hurt in the EARLY rounds: I predict a poorman's Hagler-Hearns to take place.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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36. "you say that as if it's a bad thing."
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A poor mans hagler/hearns?

Shit, sign me up what channel is it on?


does it really matter?

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38. "HBO Podcast talking about the Rubio bout"
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They favour GGG and say the whole card should be very good. Is anyone going to the live event?

Plus if GGG keeps winning they speculate that at some point in 2015 Peter Qillin will fight Jermain Taylor and Alvarez will face Cotto that the two winners will come under intense pressure to match up against GGG.

https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/hbo-boxing-podcast-episode/id847703257?i=320063550&mt=2

  

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41. "jermain taylor?? i didn't even know he was still active"
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42. "He has a belt now too."
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57. "He's going to end up in a coma if he gets into the ring against GGG"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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39. "The making of a Los Angeles boxing attraction (swipe)"
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Gennady Golovkin: the making of a Los Angeles boxing attraction

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/360087-gennady-golovkin-the-making-of-a-los-angeles-boxing-attraction

Gennady Golovkin: the making of a Los Angeles boxing attraction



To call Saturday’s Gennady Golovkin-Marco Antonio Rubio headlined card a sellout is an understatement.

The StubHub Center in Carson, California, where the HBO-televised middleweight showdown will take place, will be packed beyond capacity by the time Golovkin and Rubio step into the ring. The event, which is being called “Mexican Style,” is such a hot ticket among Southern California fight fans that the 8,000-seat outdoor arena has been expanded three times to accommodate the demand.

Mexican Style, which is supported by an excellent featherweight matchup between Nonito Donarie and Nicholas Walters, officially sold out one month ago, according to Tom Loeffler of K2 Promotions, which promotes Golovkin.

Loeffler had StubHub (formerly known as Home Depot Center) add bleachers around the arena, which made 384 seats available. They sold fast, which was a pleasant surprise to Loeffler. It should be noted that Golovkin, the undefeated WBA titleholder who is viewed as the main attraction of the event, is making his California debut on Saturday.

“When we made the fight we knew it would sell well and that it would likely sellout but we weren’t expecting it to be sold out a month in advance,” he told RingTV.com at the Golovkin-Rubio media workout on Wednesday in Santa Monica.

So what was it about this event that drove fans of the greater Los Angeles area crazy?

“I think it was great chemistry between Golovkin’s popularity and a well-known and respected opponent,” Loeffler said. “We have Golovkin, who is bringing in new fans, and a proven veteran like Rubio, who lets hardcore fans know they’re going to get a real fight. Fans just reacted to it.”

They are still reacting to it.

Once the bleacher seats were bought up, 280 standing-room tickets were put on sale. Fans obviously don’t mind not having an actual seat for this show because those tickets also sold quickly.

On Tuesday, K2 released another 288 tickets for the concourse level around the arena. Needless to say, there will be more than 8,000 fans on hand to witness Golovkin-Rubio.

“There will be 1,000 more fans at this fight than there was for any other event ever held at StubHub,” Loeffler said. “We hit a grand slam with this one, a clear sellout. We couldn’t have hoped for a better a result.”

Loeffler, a successful boxing manager in the 1990s who entered the promotional part of the game with the Klitschko brothers 10 years ago, is understandably proud of the accomplishment.

Golovkin (30-0, 27 knockouts), a 2004 Olympic silver medalist from Kazakhstan, was largely unknown in the U.S. when Loeffler signed him to K2 in early 2012. The powerful technician, 29 at the time, lived in Germany where he turned pro in 2006 and fought almost exclusively until 2009.

Golovkin had begun training with Abel Sanchez in Big Bear Lake, California in 2010, but fighting in America and making a name among U.S. fans remained a dream for the former amateur star.

However, starting with his U.S. debut against Gregorz Proksa in September 2012, Golovkin – “GGG” to his ever-growing legion of hardcore fans – quickly established his now-fearsome reputation by brutally stopping a string of solid fighters, with all of his fights in America showcased on HBO.

All of Golovkin’s previous HBO appearances took place in the Northeast, including three bouts in Madison Square Garden. Golovkin’s last bout, an impressive third-round TKO of former IBF/WBA titleholder Daniel Geale on July 26, took place in the main arena of the storied New York City venue, where around 8,500 fans showed up to witness his brand of power and ring generalship.

“There aren’t a lot of boxers that can fight in the big arena at Madison Square Garden and then come to Southern California and sellout the StubHub Center,” Loeffler said. “We took him to the media capital of the world, now we’re taking him to the entertainment capital of the world.”

Boxing fan residents of the entertainment capital aren’t just eager to see Golovkin fight live, “GGG Fever” seems to have taken over the region as fight night approaches.

What could explain the high level of anticipation?

It certainly doesn’t hurt that Rubio, a puncher in his own right with 51 knockouts in 59 victories, is a Mexican national. However, it was Golovkin, not Rubio, who was mobbed by Mexican fans at the kick-off press conference held at El Paseo restaurant in the historic Olvera Street area of Los Angeles.

There’s something about Golovkin’s clean-cut, humble out-of-ring demeanor and his seek-and-destroy style inside the ring that resonates with the same fans that once idolized Julio Cesar Chavez Sr., as well as the children of those fans.

There’s a “Mexican Style” rap video that has taken off since it was posted on Youtube.com last week. The rap – which was written and performed Mario Ruiz and Omar Cruz, two young Mexican-American Los Angeles residents – isn’t about Rubio, or Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., or Canelo Alvarez. It’s about Golovkin.

Bernie Bahrmasel, publicist for K2 Promotions, believes the Southern California sports media played a key role in Golovkin’s local popularity.

“All those stories and features and videos that came from the many media lunches we’ve done in Southern California made Golovkin a Los Angeles fighter before he ever fought here,” Bahrmasel said. “I’ll bet we’ve done a dozen since 2012.”

With Golvokin training in Big Bear and Loeffler’s office based in Santa Monica it made sense for K2 to hold press conferences – usually informal lunches at Le Petit Greek in Los Angeles, Traktir Russian restaurant in West Hollywood, the Marriott hotel in Manhattan Beach or the Radisson hotel at LAX – before Team GGG broke camp to leave for the next fight. Media lunches, which were attended by beat writers from the Los Angeles Times, Daily News, the Associated Press, and most of the major boxing websites, were even held when Golovkin fought outside of the U.S. and off HBO.

“We always had him in front of the media here,” said Loeffler, who also set up Golovkin appearances at major Los Angeles entertainment events, such as the Emmy Awards and the L.A. Kings season opener at Staples Center. “That laid the foundation for this response.”

Some have assumed that Golovkin will fight exclusively in Southern California going forward, given the response to Saturday’s fight. Not so, says Loeffler.

“It depends on the opponent,” he said. “If it’s Miguel Cotto, the East Coast makes sense. If it’s Canelo or Chavez Jr., it’s the going to be on the West Coast.”

Loeffler added that Golovkin, who has fought twice in Monaco since his U.S. debut, will continue to fight overseas.

“There’s always going to be an international fight because Gennady wants to fight three and four times a year and HBO can’t accommodate his activity,” he said. “Golovkin has fans in other countries. Saturday’s fight will be televised live in Germany on Sat-1, in the UK on Sky Sports, in Russia on Russia 2 and on three networks in Kazakhstan.

“Plus, he’s got potential opponents in other countries. There’s Carl Froch and Martin Murray in Britain. There’s Arthur Abraham or the winner of Abraham versus the winner of Stieglitz- Sturm in Germany. There’s Mikkel Kessler in Denmark.”

In other words, there’s more than enough GGG to go around.

  

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40. "i'm used to being able to buy tickets to fights at Stubhub on the day of"
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this shit been sold out for a long while now and kinda ruined my bday plans during my LA visit

  

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44. "Really really wanted to go to this fight..."
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But I'm glad it got the reception it did.

  

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47. "GGG's 2015: Four fights planned"
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With a win over Rubio, Golovkin is ticketed for a February return in Monte Carlo, perhaps against British contender Martin Murray. After that he wants a big pay-per-view fight.

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This is exactly what GGG should be doing. Keeping busy and fighting overseas when U.S. middleweights avoid him.

He is expecting to move up to super middleweight at some point in 2015 but unless Froch and Ward will definitely fight him I don't see the point in moving up quickly.

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http://espn.go.com/blog/dan-rafael/post/_/id/10706/ggg-expects-a-huge-2015

  

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48. "He's not overrated. But this idea that he's being avoided is some bullsh..."
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He's afraid to fight Ward.

  

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50. "GGG is not afraid of Ward"
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Ward's supermiddle weight and GGG is middleweight so they are fighting in different weight classes.

Ward has fought twice in almost three years. GGG has fought seven times in the last two years.

Ward is in a court battle with his promoter which he is losing and Ward's actions are keeping him out of the ring.

GGG will first demolish the Middleweight division before he moves up but really the only two fights at 168 are Ward and Froch. Everyone else at super middleweight would get dominated like GGG does at 160.

Froch may not want to fight GGG because its a dangerous fight for him. I think GGG would win in a close UD fight or maybe a late stoppage.

Ward would probably beat GGG. Styles make fights. I don't see them fighting until 2016 anyway and by that point GGG might have significantly improved and Ward's skills might have declined from the long lay offs.

  

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63. "No. "
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GGG's trainer Abel Sanchez already admitted months ago that they didn't want it with Ward right now. don't have the link to the article right now but it's prolly not hard to find.

GGG is the king of everything under 160, but he don't want it with Ward, period.

  

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54. "they asked the dude who is one of the champs in a division or two higher..."
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If he would fight Golovkin, and he said "I'll swerve on that one".

  

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56. "He's becoming the new Margarito aura wise as the cat nobody wants to fig..."
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51. "Link anyone?"
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59. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_h1UkyYAko"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_h1UkyYAko

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52. "Down goes Rubio!"
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Down and out... 2nd round KO!

...

my thoughts,

peace.

  

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53. "Annnnd another bites the dust...I can't see anyone who would be "
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eager to get in the ring w/this guy

His fanbase is growing though



Oh and Nonito Donaire got destroyed - Nonito sounds like he's leaning towards retirement

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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55. "He has those Hands of Stones...cats knees buckle w/ every shot "
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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58. "I love Nonito... "
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But I'll be mad if he steps in the ring again. Rigo took his heart from the game then starting a family softened him. It was fun while it lasted but he's done.

And holy shit GGG... post match interview was highlight of the night. Rubio just wanted a check.

  

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thebadnegro
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65. "You buggin."
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Rigo gave him a boxing lesson, but FAR from took his heart. Flash's performances against Vic and Walters bear witness to that. he's got nothing left BUT heart and a big left hook.

retirement wouldn't be a bad idea, but i'd still pick him to whup Johnny Gonzales and Abner Mares, and a puncher's chance against Lomanchenko.

  

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wallysmith
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82. "Not questioning his heart in the ring..."
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I'm talking about outside of it. He's never been a Manny where boxing lifted him out of poverty kinda thing... he's a middle class American kid that got into boxing to avoid getting bullied. He had/has a life outside of boxing unrelated to the sport.

With that Rigo loss, it became clear he had no desire to improve his technique, he just kept leaning on his huge hook and athleticism to get him through matches. He got lucky against Darchinyan, let's be honest.

I'm not sure I want to keep watching him endanger himself for a sport he no longer has the heart for.

  

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83. "Ok, I hear what u sayin."
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yeah, i don't think he's been focused for quite a while. he was basically training himself for a few fights :/

maybe one more big $ fight.. with Juanma or somethin lol

nah foreal neither one of them need to take another shot to the dome.

  

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89. "Oh Damn: Nonito Eyes Comeback Fight in Philippines "
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http://www.boxingscene.com/nonito-donaire-eyes-comeback-fight-philippines--83394

  

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90. "I mean... I get it."
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But I don't. We'll see. Maybe a fight in the Philippines will rejuvenate him, but I hope he knows what he's doing.

  

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93. "Who is there to fight at 122 other than Rigo? He bett'not."
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maybe Mares would return to superbantum for a Donaire fight.

i also forgot about Santa Cruz.... and Quigg...and Frampton... and Kiko.

wow.

  

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60. "GGG said he wants Cotto!"
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Let's do it!

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

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thebadnegro
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64. "RE: GGG said he wants Cotto!"
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i'm a big GGG fan, but calling out the smaller guys and avoiding the man at 168 is kind of... well, i can't even use the man's name and pussy in the same sentence, but ... cmon son.

  

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67. "GGG fighting Cotto before Ward"
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>i'm a big GGG fan, but calling out the smaller guys and
>avoiding the man at 168 is kind of... well, i can't even use
>the man's name and pussy in the same sentence, but ... cmon
>son.

GGG is calling out Cotto because he is the biggest name in the weight division as well as the considered lineal champion. GGG is not calling out Cotto because he is small and thinks he can beat him because of Cotto's stature.

The critics of GGG are saying well he hasn't been tested yet by a talented fighter or GGG isn't a true big name star yet. This is why GGG fighting Cotto or Alvarez is so important for him and for boxing.

GGG will fight at 168 super middleweight but for those saying he needs to fight Ward hold your horses. I hope GGG does fight Ward at 168 but Ward is the established champion at 168, he won the (super middleweight tournament) Super Six World Boxing Classic 2009-2011. Coming up a weight division and fighting the experienced champion as your first fight would be demanding a huge amount from any boxer.

GGG should box one more year, up to four more fights at 160, he'll beat everyone put in front of him. Then he can come up and fight at super middleweight.

Plus at 168 now Froch doesn't want to fight him, Froch's manager Eddie Hearn has already said they don't want GGG. And as we all know Ward isn't fighting anytime soon given his problems with Goosen (RIP).

Other middleweights now want Danger Money for facing GGG.

  

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70. "Cotto ain't never ducked anyone but I highly doubt Canelo wants GGG"
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>The critics of GGG are saying well he hasn't been tested yet
>by a talented fighter or GGG isn't a true big name star yet.
>This is why GGG fighting Cotto or Alvarez is so important for
>him and for boxing.

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71. "Nobody was labeling Canelo "a pussy" for calling out Floyd"
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>i'm a big GGG fan, but calling out the smaller guys and
>avoiding the man at 168 is kind of... well, i can't even use
>the man's name and pussy in the same sentence, but ... cmon
>son.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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76. "I want to see him move up and fight Ward"
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That's the only guy who can beat him right now within 10 lbs of him

  

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79. "Ward will smother him up & beat him up inside"
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I don't think I've seen GGG fight inside....when he lost the gold medal match in Athens it was b/c the Russian fighter was clinching & roughing him up inside. It might end up like the Tito-Hopkins bout if he fights Ward.

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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120. "RE: I want to see him move up and fight Ward"
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...agreed...Ward is that dude...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

  

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thebadnegro
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61. "Well we know Nick Walters aint overrated. DAMN."
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more than anything i'm glad to see Nonito didn't make any excuses and went out on his shield.
respect all the way around.

  

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66. "GGG is a middleweight Edwin Valero (r.i.p.)..... minus the crazy shit."
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from his puncher/well schooled boxer fighting style to his California gym rep- he is the new Valero.

no one under 168 can come close to fucking with him. no one.

unfortunately, that's not saying much right now, cuz the mw division is hella weak. very bad time to be a mw.

  

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68. "Yall hyping this dude too much. let's not. Nm"
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does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

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69. "Valero was a reckless fighter ala a young Pacquiao"
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Besides Mosquera had him backing up for the 1st half of their fight which is something you never see happen to GGG.

GGG is on that Roberto Duran "calm, cool and collected" seek & destroy steez.

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77. "You might be talkin reckless, but Valero was far from reckless. "
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he was a risk taker with excellent boxing skills, an A class chin and dynamite in both hands.

both Valero and GGG often expose themselves to getting hit in order to open up opportunities to land their power shots.

you think GGG doesn't get cracked? he takes plenty of shots. and occasionally fought moving backwards against Curtis Stevens AND Rosado.

has GGG fought anyone = to that version of El Loco Mosquera? nope.

  

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78. "All I was saying was Valero was reckless in relative to GGG"
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Valero had those moment in every round where he got caught up in the moment & went full brawler mode. GGG on the other hand is always seemingly aware of what he's doing even when he takes risks.

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84. "Yeah well he's not quite as batshit as V-nam, "
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but they both can box effectively going backwards... and btw so did Duran.

  

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72. "both of last night's KO hooks were something to watch."
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such a unique pair of overhand looping hooks that clipped both Donaire
and Rubio on the top of the head.

GGG's just has that buckling power. Nobody stands up to it well. Rubio
was gassed off a huge left hook to the body just prior to that left hook.

What makes GGG so devastating is that you don't know where his
punches are coming from. He's awkward and shifty in combinations,
and he throws feints very well. He hit Rubio with feinting left hook
and followed it up w/ a short right uppercut that Rubio had no
chance of seeing.

So yes he's a raw brawling KO artist, but he does have nuance.
GGG v. Ward would be fascinating. FOH w/ fighting Cotto though.
Not big enough. Canelo is the better matching.


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73. "GGG x Canelo = fireworks"
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if GGG x kirkland is the new hagler/hearns

ggg x canelo would be the much better class gatti/ward


does it really matter?

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75. "RE: GGG x Canelo = fireworks"
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>ggg x canelo would be the much better class gatti/ward

More like Tito-Vargas...a hard-hitting KO artist against a very popular Mexican prodigy. Canelo won't back-down but GGG would break him down round by round.

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87. "His jab is retarded too. "
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74. "Dat Kostya Tszyu"
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Wholl be his Zab Judah W?

When is he gonna fast that slick boxer that will test how good his power really is?
Speed >>> Power Boxing's oldest narrative...

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"though time has passed, im still the future" (c) black thought

  

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80. "I just don't understand that kind of heavy-handedness"
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He consistently buckles people with punches that look like nothing. I don't even see him using his legs and hips to drive the pinches, but everything he throws crushes.

  

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81. "donaire was doing too much with that &quot;he beat theshit out of me&quo..."
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stuff at the end of the fight
seems like he's ready to retire
GGG was impressive as always, i thought marco would be a bit more of a challenge
especially with the 10lb weight advantage
smh @ robert garcia fighters

oh and non ppv fights on HBO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> showtime
shit ain't even debatable this year
bhop vs. kov coming up next. though i'm catching that one live

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85. "RE: "
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>smh @ robert garcia fighters

Garcia had very little to do with this. this shit was beyond a mismatch. GGG just can't find anyone in his weight class to fight.
... and Donaire was trained by his father for this fight.



  

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91. "i'm talking about his fighters not being able to make weight"
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his brother is jumping up two divisions because he can't make weight
and his other fighters have all struggled making weight
seems like they party (and lose) a lot in that camp
he said he can't baby sit his fighters and that's true but damn , seems to be a pattern in his camp

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94. "Oh, damn."
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yeah that Mikey Garcia to 140 shit seems crazy. I wonder if Terrence Crawford has anything to do with that decision.

i see your point tho about Garcia's fighter's weight issues.

  

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88. "As SPM mentioned though, Keith Thurman is being ducked like a muhfucka"
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too. That full got hands and can box. He's one of those dudes that can beat and knock anybody the fuck out at WW (yes even floyd at this stage of Floyd's career) but could get caught too. He's becoming a good boxer-puncher. I'd love to see him in a bigger fight soon.

  

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95. "Feb. 21 (HBO): GGG vs Martin Murray in Monte Carlo (swipe)"
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Golovkin, sitting with K2 Promotions managing director Tom Loeffler, watched as England's Martin Murray came through with a victory to set up a shot at GGG's 160-pound world title on Feb. 21 (HBO), also in Monte Carlo, where Golovkin has fought twice before and where Murray has had his last two fights.

Murray (29-1-1, 12 KOs), 31, won a seventh-round technical decision against Italy's Domenico Spada (39-6, 19 KOs), 34, on scores of 69-67, 68-63 and 67-66 in a rather sloppy fight.

Loeffler told ESPN.com that he and Murray promoter Rodney Berman, as well as the fighters, came to terms for the February fight about a month ago and recently signed contracts pending victories by Golovkin on Oct. 18 and Murray on Saturday.

"This is the first time I've seen a fighter win in front of a sold-out house in California and a week later we're announcing his next fight in Monte Carlo," Loeffler said of Golovkin. "It speaks to the activity he has and to Gennady's position in the sport now."

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/11763345/gennady-golovkin-fight-martin-murray-ggg-160-pound-world-title-feb-21

  

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96. "GGG wants to go the distance not for KO - (swipe)"
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GGG wants the 12 rounds experience for when he fights elite boxers; his trainer says KO is still going to happen

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12353606/gennady-golovkin-faces-toughest-test-martin-murray

GGG faces tough test against Murray

Making The Rounds: Golovkin-Murray Preview
While middleweight titleholder Gennady Golovkin searches in vain for a big-name opponent willing to step into the ring with him to face his thunderous punching power, he still understands that he can not overlook his next opponent.

England's Martin Murray may not have the level of name recognition of the fighters Golovkin would prefer to fight in his next big drama show, such as middleweight champion Miguel Cotto, former junior middleweight titleholder Canelo Alvarez, super middleweight titlist Carl Froch or former middleweight titleholder Julio Cesar Chavez Jr., but he is a vastly experienced fighter with only two debatable blemishes on his record. Both came in world title fights: a somewhat controversial decision loss to then-champion Sergio Martinez in 2013 and a draw against then-titleholder Felix Sturm in 2011.

"I've seen him. They were close fights, and he's big strong guy, smart guy," Golovkin said of Murray. "He had two times title fights. Maybe this time is his last situation. He's hungry. I think this time he is better. He understands the situation. This maybe is the last time for him , so he's more dangerous, more hungry."

Golovkin-Murray

Where: Salle des Etoiles in Monte Carlo
When: Feb. 21, 5:45 p.m. ET/PT
TV: HBO

Indeed, although Golovkin has feasted on several good fighters -- the best guys available at the time who were willing to fight him, such as former titleholder Daniel Geale, Marco Antonio Rubio, Curtis Stevens and Matthew Macklin -- Murray looms as perhaps his toughest test to this point. They will square off Saturday (HBO, 5:45 p.m. ET/PT with a replay at 10:15 p.m. ET/PT) at the Salle des Etoiles in Monte Carlo, where GGG will be fighting for the third time.

For many it's not so much a matter of who Golovkin (31-0, 28 KOs) is fighting it, it's just that they want to see boxing's most dynamic fighter do his thing. Boxing's good boy is riding a streak of 18 consecutive knockouts and has been utterly devastating fight after fight.

His 90.3 percent knockout ratio is the second-best in boxing among active titleholders; newly crowned heavyweight titleholder Deontay Wilder (33-0, 32 KOs), who has knocked out 97 percent of his foes, passed him for the top spot when he won a belt in January, although Golovkin's opposition has been far superior.

Even though all of those booming knockouts are a big part of the reason for Golovkin's growing popularity -- he was the first fighter to sell out the StubHub Center in Carson, California, for a boxing match when he crushed Rubio in two rounds in October to add an interim belt to his collection -- he said he would not at all mind going the 12-round distance, which he has never done.

"I need a decision fight," said Golovkin, who has not heard the final bell since winning an eight-round decision against the unknown Amar Amari in Denmark in 2008. "Martin Murray is the best challenger for a decision. He is strong and smart. I know everybody likes my style and they want big drama show. I need a decision fight. It's OK. Why not 12 rounds? I love big drama show but I understand my situation. People like short fight. I need long fight to prepare for . I must show the people I can do it, not just one or two rounds and, boom, knockout."

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Abel Sanchez, Golovkin's affable trainer, said he is not opposed to a distance fight but thinks Golovkin will add to his knockout streak.

"Murray is a good fighter, and if Gennady wasn't there, he'd probably be a champion, but in the division with Gennady, he's just a guy who will get knocked out," Sanchez said. "He's No. 19 . Maybe he'll last a little longer than the last one, but he's No. 19.

"Gennady and I have had several discussions about a decision fight. I, as a coach, would like to see what I've got, if Gennady is who I think he is and a distance fight would disprove what some people say -- that he can't box or manage a 12-round fight. But if it's a short fight, that's OK, too. But I want to see if he can do it. He also wants to see if he can do it. It's something he wonders -- 'Can I go 12?' -- and, to tell you the truth, I do, too. Not that I doubt it, but I want to make sure. We train for 12 rounds, but 12 rounds in the gym is different than 12 rounds in a fight. But if it's a knockout, I will be extremely happy."

Murray said he has done his homework on Golovkin and is prepared to get over the hump and win a title in his third try. "I've been watching all his best bits," Murray said. "I've not been looking at all the things he does wrong. Let's be honest, he doesn't do a lot wrong. What I've been focusing on are all the things he does well. I've been watching him at his absolute best. That then makes me more prepared, more nervous and more on my guard.

"His power is obviously something you have to look out for. He clearly hits hard. His general ring craft is very good, as well. He's very good at putting you in places he wants to put you. I think he does all things very well. He's not just a big puncher. But we've seen a couple of and we feel there's some stuff for us to work on during the fight. We're confident it's going to work."

If all goes well for Golovkin on Saturday, he is due back in the ring May 16, probably at a location in Southern California. Again, it will be difficult for Golovkin's promoter, Tom Loeffler of K2 Promotions, to find a quality opponent willing to fight Golovkin.

"We'll fight the biggest name opponent willing to get in the ring with him, and we'll make concessions to get it done," Loeffler said.

Ultimately, however, Golovkin hopes one of the big names will face him before the end of the year.

"Right now for me it doesn't matter who," he said. "My first big step is Miguel Cotto. He is WBC champion. I am interim champion and my goal is to have all of the belts in middleweight division. For me it is very important to see who is No. 1 in the middleweight division. Let's see who is No. 1 in world. I want the other belts. Of course, I want big fights with Froch, Chavez, Canelo, but now I want Miguel. I hope so. I hope we can do that. First I have Martin Murray."

Said Sanchez, "We are ready for a big fight. Gennady has been ready. It's a matter of if we can get the dance partner. I don't know if Cotto will fight us. Gennady is his mandatory and I think he'll vacate before he fights him. The important thing is to keep Gennady busy. We keep him sharp and ready to fight, four times this year. That's what he wants."

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Golovkin, 32, who is from Kazakhstan and recently relocated with his family from Germany to Los Angeles, will be making his 13th title defense against the 32-year-old Murray (29-1-1, 12 KOs), who is 6-foot and will have a 2-inch height advantage.

Golovkin is tied with Hall of Famer Marvelous Marvin Hagler and Felix Sturm, who avoided Golovkin for years when he was his mandatory challenger, for third place for most consecutive middleweight title defenses. He can break the tie with a win Saturday and then tie the great Carlos Monzon for second place with a 14th successful defense. The record belongs to legend Bernard Hopkins, who made 20 middleweight title defenses in a row.

"If Gennady has a record, great, but he is not worried about streaks," Sanchez said. "I talk about it more than he does. If he is able to be mentioned in the same breath with Marvin Hagler, it's humbling. I'm humbled to be training a guy mentioned in the same breath as Hagler. And Monzon next? Two great names. Hopefully, other guys will step up and fight him and everyone will see how great Gennady can be."

Golovkin also said he is humbled by being on a list with those Hall of Famers.

"My emotions -- just wow," Golovkin said. "I respect them. They are great champions. There are a lot of great champions, Leonard, Hearns, Duran. This is my dream to be a great champion. It is a big deal for me. I'm serious. So I hope I win this fight. Big present for everyone, show everyone big show. Big drama show. But I need big name. I want to show everybody that I am also a great champion."

  

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97. "Fight about to start."
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98. "this guy's power is incredible"
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99. "Round 3 and 4...whooo not so young Kostya"
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he'll eat his share of shots but damn his basic ass combinations are just accurate and powerful as shit.

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100. "lol British Announcer so proud of Murray"
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GGG can get hit, but when you have that chin--I guess it doesnt matter. Walks right through punches like nothing. Murray isnt known for his power but he was obviously bigger and it was like they had no effect.

Also he took some hits but a lot of the stuff they said hit him still glanced off.

That power out of both hands and how he is always on balance is unreal. There's something special about watching boxers like Floyd and Ward do work. But there is also something special about watching the rare fighter like GGG do his work.

That chopping ovehand left is something I havent seen anyone else through with that much frequency.


I thought after round 1 and 2 we might see a boring fight with Murray grabbbing and holding a lot--but GGG found a way through the high gloves, and holding.


Good performance.

Id still like to see him fight Cotto and the Alvarez/Kirkland winner before Ward. Ward is just too big and skilled for him.

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101. "That's was a Rocky like performance"
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His wife was crying horrifically at the end, I was worried about dude's future. I wish boxing was a little more like UFC when it comes to stoppages.

  

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102. "He won't get KO'd but he'll get dominated by Ward"
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That's the only fight in the 160-175 range I really want to see.

  

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103. "Why would you really want to see it if he would get dominated?"
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104. "Because it's amazing to see a fighter so good"
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that he makes the best of the best look like amateurs in comparison

  

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105. "Nobody else caught this?"
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Here the highlights

http://heavy.com/sports/2015/02/gennady-golovkin-vs-martin-murray-results-and-highlights/

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106. "I watched it. I was surprised it went 11. Murray is tough!"
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When is GGG gonna get a shot at Cotto or Canelo?

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107. "Canelo is booked...so its Cotto or Ward i think"
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Cotto doesnt want him cause a loss will end his career. He can get a couple wins over weaker guys and then line up a bigger fight with GGG.


GGG on the other hand shouldnt want Ward now because likewise it hurts his earning power if he loses.

The better financial route is if he eats up Canelo, Cotto, Chavez Jr, Kirkland and all the middleweights--builds a bigger name for himself and then does a superfigjt with Ward.

Him and Ward fighting a ppv now is the fight people wanna see--but neither of them has really ever sold a PPV on their own before.


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108. "Yeah I agree with pretty much all of this."
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>Cotto doesnt want him cause a loss will end his career. He
>can get a couple wins over weaker guys and then line up a
>bigger fight with GGG.
>
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>GGG on the other hand shouldnt want Ward now because likewise
>it hurts his earning power if he loses.
>
>The better financial route is if he eats up Canelo, Cotto,
>Chavez Jr, Kirkland and all the middleweights--builds a bigger
>name for himself and then does a superfigjt with Ward.
>
>Him and Ward fighting a ppv now is the fight people wanna
>see--but neither of them has really ever sold a PPV on their
>own before.


I really wanna see GGG v. Ward. But GGG does need a few more fights.

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109. "Still no-one wants to get in the ring with GGG"
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Agreed on Cotto doesn't want GGG. It will end his career prematurely when he can probably get two more big bouts - at least one with Canelo.

Cotto has been a warrior and boxed all comers in his career but he'll now duck GGG partly because Cotto isn't a real middleweight, he is too small.

I would be impressed if Cotto took the fight with GGG in June or September but I think he vacates and GGG wins the WBC belt against a challenger.

Other possible Middleweights GGG could face soon are David Lemieux, the winner of Andy Lee or Peter Quilln, Hassan N'Dam. Canelo after he gets done with Cotto. I hope GGG has the patience to unify at 160 before moving up to super middleweight.

Apart from Ward the talent level at 168 is even less than at Middleweight. Froch will have retired in 12 months or sooner.

Give GGG another year of fighting bigger names in bigger arenas and he'll be ready to headline PPVs.


>Cotto doesnt want him cause a loss will end his career. He
>can get a couple wins over weaker guys and then line up a
>bigger fight with GGG.
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>GGG on the other hand shouldnt want Ward now because likewise
>it hurts his earning power if he loses.
>
>The better financial route is if he eats up Canelo, Cotto,
>Chavez Jr, Kirkland and all the middleweights--builds a bigger
>name for himself and then does a superfigjt with Ward.
>
>Him and Ward fighting a ppv now is the fight people wanna
>see--but neither of them has really ever sold a PPV on their
>own before.
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110. "main problem with GGG is he's 32"
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hes on a limited timeline himself.


Id say more time also gives him more time to actually fill out to 168- but at 32 his body will be more resistant to change in weight.

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111. "A young 32"
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He seems to be keeping busy, multiple fights per year. He has an excellent pedigree and its not like he has been taking massive shots in his bouts. He could go another five years easily. The big question will be when does he lose some of his power and will his smarts compensate for his lost power as he ages?

  

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112. "Ward will need a tune up or two"
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Sounds like a good 2016 bout though. Gives GGG the chance to potentially have three more fights this year, clean out MW ... MAYBE get Cotto or Canelo later in the year.

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121. "Cotto will NEVER fight an undefeated GGG. Never."
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he's really not a legit middleweight at all. Cotto is small even for a 154 pounder. the Gabe Rosados and Martin Murrays of the world would take Cotto to the brink. wouldn't last 3 rounds with David Lemieux.

  

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113. "1st of all Kirkland is going to beat the shit outta Canelo."
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hes gonna hurt that boy. real bad.

THEN hes going to punish this clown.

& when he does

im gonna stunt here like NEVER before.

book that. re up this. whatever. write it down. idgaf.


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
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114. "Kirkland has a reeeeeal suspect chin."
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so iono about all that.

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116. "he from houston or something? he's not lasting 3 rounds"
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117. "minuswell be. & LOL."
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fight might not last 3 rounds, ill cosign that


does it really matter?

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118. "He didn't do himself any favors firing his trainer"
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Not sure about a KO, but I think Canelo wins a relatively easy one

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119. "RE: He didn't do himself any favors firing his trainer"
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agreed...dude gonna get blown out the water...

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122. "So... who's next?"
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Obviously Canelo and Cotto but they're more interested in fighting each other than they are in fighting GGG even though he's the MANDATORY contender for Cotto's belt.

But unless he can get one of them this year (which I doubt) I say he needs to square up with Lara (who imo beat Canelo), in a match of the ducked fighters.

And Lara is calling GGG out on twitter now.

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123. "RE: So... who's next?"
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I think Lara is good.

Lara/GGG

gets winner of

Canelo/Cotto

Hell the losers can fight ech other too. If GGG clears that out then he can start talking bigger fish.

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125. "His response to the Ward question was notable."
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>Hell the losers can fight ech other too. If GGG clears that
>out then he can start talking bigger fish.

He's game, but he's in no rush to move up when way bigger names exist at MW.

  

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126. "Ward has been talking about it lately."
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Says that GGG's camp talks about it but ain't about it.
GGG's response pretty much confirmed it.

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128. "the path hes trying to take is the smart one"
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theres a lot more money to be made why jump up lose, and then lose that money making potential. This is how its always been done.

Before I see Floyd fans jumping down GGGs throat for not taking ward on now. This was the slow play Floyd use to build his empire.

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130. "NO. NO. NO. That never actually happened."
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Floyd fought Corrales in his 21st fight. GGG's next fight will be his 34th. For Floyd's 34th fight, he moved up to 154 to fight De La Hoya.


Meanwhile GGG ain't fought nobody and refuses to step up out of a mostly dead division, instead waiting for smaller men to come up to him.

  

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ShawndmeSlanted
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131. "RE: NO. NO. NO. That never actually happened."
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>Floyd fought Corrales in his 21st fight. GGG's next fight
>will be his 34th. For Floyd's 34th fight, he moved up to 154
>to fight De La Hoya.
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>Meanwhile GGG ain't fought nobody and refuses to step up out
>of a mostly dead division, instead waiting for smaller men to
>come up to him.

He fought Corrales but he also played it smart. There's a difference between ducking and moving your way up the division/ladder and playing it smart. That was the master plan from Arum to GBP to TMT. That's how things have always been done in boxing, and its the smart thing. Anyone who advises GGG to go take a Ward fight now from a financial perspective is an idiot.

Even if he moved up and beat Ward, that devalue the Cotto and Canelo fight. If GGG beats Canelo and Cotto, it sets up a bigger potential payay for the 3rd fight in that series.

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134. "Floyd moved up to fight boxing's biggest star"
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Andre Ward struggled to break 1 mil viewers on his regular HBO shit when he was *active*... casual fans probably barely still remember him now

  

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135. "Ward can't even draw in his own hometown n/m"
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138. "It's sad considering he's about #2 P4P"
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I don't think anyone from 160-175 can even come close to beating Ward.

  

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133. "absolutely no reason to go up and fight Ward at this point"
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124. "he's pound for pound #1 guy IMO right now."
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127. "With the resume of fighters he's fought? How is that even possible?"
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132. "It's WC, don't expect consistency"
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129. "NOW he's overrated"
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144. "Floyd has to fight the avengers while WC's satisfied with GGG beating Mo..."
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Monroe Jr. Smh

And I love GGG. Think he's great. I'm just not a weirdo about it though.

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136. "Genady Golovkin/K2 Promotions"
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Clearly Alvarez and possibly Cotto have bigger names than GGG. Why would they risk fighting him at 160?

The guy has built this persona as the middleweight Tyson but he stays calling out junior middleweights. Nobody seems to have a problem with this.

After his last fight he called out Cotto, Alvarez, and Ward respectively. You could argue that he called out fighters whom posed the least to the greatest amount of risk. GGG hasn't reached the superstar status yet and his team is already unwilling to take risks. You could say he wants a big money fight but if that were the case, Alvarez should be his first option.

Ward needs to fire his promotional/management team. He is the best, least marketed fighter in the sport. Guys he's already beaten decisively are trying to dictate terms to him for a rematch. Out of all the fighters listed in this thread, he has the least amount of leverage to attract a big fight in his respective weight class. He will have no choice but to go to 175.


  

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137. "Because he is the MANDATORY challenger for Cotto's MW strap!"
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as dictated by WBC

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139. "yes he will get washed by SOG, cotto, MW, and Nelo "
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Really bad

  

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140. "SOG, MW can't call it... but he's 100% mutilating the other two"
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141. "definitely."
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nm

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142. "Lara would give him problems"
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143. "Looks like GGG vs. Froch may be up next."
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he'd be far and away best fighter GGG has faced.
Would be a great test, though Froch is getting a little long in the tooth.

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145. "good test for his power against bigger guys"
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i think Froch is too easily hittable to win against GGG. but if GGG can touch Froch with those heavy hands the same way he's been doing, I'll give him a decent shot vs. Ward.

  

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147. "That's a great fight at this stage in GGG's career. Froch is still..."
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dangerous and may get extra motivated for this fight. He better. Depending on if/ how be beats Froch, I could definitely see Ward.

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148. "This is exactly the fight I want him to take. "
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149. "It's not a question of him..."
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it's if Froch is ready to ride into the sunset with his bucket of cash and hot ass girlfriend


Wouldn't blame him either, honestly

  

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150. "in the end Ward will make him look like Abraham"
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I just want to see it happen.

  

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151. "naw.... I could see a Ward victory... but not like that"
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I believe that 3Gs power is superior to Arthur's and his boxing skill is considerably higher..

I also feel that in a fight like Ward, unlike he has in many of the fights to date, 3G is not going to be looking to show macho bravado for the purpose entertainment and getting rounds in.

Ward may beat him but he doesn't make him look bad if he does imo.

  

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152. "yeah I thought that about several cats Ward fought"
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yet he made them seem like they weren't even close to his class a la Floyd.

  

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153. "i do have a history of underestimating him myself so... *shrugs*"
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you could be totally right.

  

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146. "right now he is a Goose among Ducks."
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154. "Cotto didn't sound to eager to fight GGG in the post-fight."
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He said he'd do it. But he hesitated.

I don't know why this Geale fight even happened. What was the point?

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155. "Cotto has fought anyone who's anybody in his range"
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So it wouldn't surprise me if he took on GGG. But that's dangerous for him.

  

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157. "That was as close to straight up "no" youll ever see"
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during a postfight 'whos next?' question


He wants that Canelo $$$$$ and no piece of Giant triple G

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156. "Cotto had the middleweight strap for a year without ever defending it"
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That's why he fought Geale.

  

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