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"OH BUT WHY THAT BITCH HOPE SOLO STILL PLAYING THO?"


          

http://www.sportingnews.com/soccer/story/2014-09-19/hope-solo-domestic-violence-ray-rice-nike-uswnt-us-soccer

Hope Solo's domestic violence incident raises double standard question

Chris Littmann @chrislittmann Email RSS
September 19, 2014 10:09am EDT

Hope Solo took the field for U.S. soccer on Thursday as the USWNT defeated Mexico, 4-0, and extended the keeper's shutout streak to 73.

But this morning, the story that's been brought to the forefront regarding the star goal keeper isn't her shutout or the U.S. soccer win; it's her own issues with domestic violence.

Cindy Boren of the Washington Post reminded readers that Solo is currently awaiting trial in November on two counts of misdemeanor domestic violence. The incident invovled her sister and 17-year-old nephew.

So while Solo awaits trial she continues to play and she remains part of the Nike family, something Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson can't say. She's also still on the field, unlike Peterson and Rice. Boren challenges readers to ask why Solo's case is treated differently.

Solo actually married former NFL player Jerramy Stevens, just hours after he was released following a domestic violence arrest involving her back in 2012. Stevens was released because there was "no evidence connecting Stevens to any assault."

Read Cindy Boren's examination of this complicated issue here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/09/19/hope-solo-and-the-domestic-violence-case-no-one-is-talking-about/

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bcz its soccer and nobody gives a dam
Sep 19th 2014
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I'm dismissing myself, sorry Doc
Sep 19th 2014
2
I think he's being facetious with that subject line
Sep 19th 2014
3
I'm being so rude lmao
Sep 19th 2014
4
      loooool...
Sep 19th 2014
8
Is it that serious though?
Sep 19th 2014
6
shes assaulted several of her own relatives. it fits.
Sep 19th 2014
7
      no.
Sep 19th 2014
13
real talk
Sep 19th 2014
5
she's safe
Sep 19th 2014
9
the sponsors are the same, Nike dropped Peterson yet still has her on...
Sep 19th 2014
10
      if enough noise is made in the public... I imagine the same would happen
Sep 19th 2014
11
           Exactly. Sponsors aren't in the integrity game
Sep 19th 2014
16
*clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick*
Sep 19th 2014
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this too
Sep 20th 2014
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ehh, but that's not what happened actually...
Sep 20th 2014
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      so you expect people to care the same whether it's a football star
Sep 20th 2014
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its women's soccer. no one cares.
Sep 19th 2014
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She shouldn't be playing
Sep 19th 2014
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WHY shouldn't she be playing? because Ray Rice can't play?
Sep 19th 2014
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      Because she's a piece of shit abusive asshole
Sep 19th 2014
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hope solo married Jerramy Stevens????
Sep 19th 2014
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yes, she's nuts -- pretty notorious for it, wrote a whole book about it
Sep 19th 2014
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uh, yeah. she's batshit.
Sep 19th 2014
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      man i don't keep up with this shit
Sep 19th 2014
26
Kobe was accused of sexual asslault and played through the whole thing.....
Sep 19th 2014
20
^^^
Sep 19th 2014
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different times breh. those were better days.
Sep 19th 2014
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      Were they better?
Sep 20th 2014
29
you sound like a white boy crying about reverse racism
Sep 19th 2014
22
lulz
Sep 19th 2014
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I'm just trying to say, whey can't we have ONE month about white history...
Sep 20th 2014
28
thats it, im getting a white pride tattoo
Sep 20th 2014
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RE: you sound like a white boy crying about reverse racism
Sep 20th 2014
33
ray rice and Adrian Peterson both copped to wrongdoing
Sep 20th 2014
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Did they?
Sep 20th 2014
34
      ap said he beat his kid and left bruises, rice admitted to punching his
Sep 20th 2014
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           and I said, I think you're missing the point of the post
Sep 20th 2014
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                well ap gave an incriminating statement to police and rice got caught on...
Sep 20th 2014
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                     but Solo has had DV issues WITH an NFL player before...
Sep 20th 2014
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                     RE:are we really surprised by the difference in the fallout?
Sep 21st 2014
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Domestic Violence is okay in the minds of America as long as it's men......
Sep 20th 2014
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she has a vagina but is loving and kind to all almost always.
Sep 20th 2014
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She should be suspended for having the un sexiest nude pics ever.
Sep 21st 2014
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I've seen more naked pictures of her in the past month
Sep 22nd 2014
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Olby agrees (vid)
Sep 22nd 2014
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No, Women’s Soccer Does Not Have a Domestic Violence Problem
Sep 23rd 2014
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Does the NFL have "a Domestic Violence Problem"? Are NFL players...
Sep 23rd 2014
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it's hard keeping track which shitty argument you're making
Sep 23rd 2014
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I read that as...NFL >>> NWSL, so it's okay
Sep 23rd 2014
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that's a bit of a cynical reading of the article
Sep 23rd 2014
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      RE: not that it's ok that Hope Solo is a violent scumbag
Sep 23rd 2014
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           Solo's trial is pending, NWSL has stated clearly they'll discipline then
Sep 23rd 2014
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                as long as you can admit that this whole shitstorm has nothing to do wit...
Sep 23rd 2014
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gotta ride w/ this article.
Sep 23rd 2014
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No, Hope Solo Is Not "Like" Ray Rice
Sep 23rd 2014
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welp. that'll about do it.
Sep 23rd 2014
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Really?
Sep 24th 2014
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I agree with Coates but I think he's letting Solo off too easy
Sep 24th 2014
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      But he didn't say she's blameless
Sep 24th 2014
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1. "bcz its soccer and nobody gives a dam"
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2. "I'm dismissing myself, sorry Doc"
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3. "I think he's being facetious with that subject line "
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4. "I'm being so rude lmao"
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8. "loooool..."
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6. "Is it that serious though?"
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7. "shes assaulted several of her own relatives. it fits."
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13. "no."
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5. "real talk"
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9. "she's safe"
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maybe because of her gender (I doubt it though, I think a dude in the same sport would get the same look, or lack of one...)

but like LA said above: soccer ain't making NFL Geld in the States.
they're under the radar, they don't have to worry -as much- about that public image and how things like this can make them (their money) look.

if/when that changes, something like this could be an embarrassment.

that being said, Hope BEEN wildin'

  

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10. "the sponsors are the same, Nike dropped Peterson yet still has her on..."
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the payroll

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11. "if enough noise is made in the public... I imagine the same would happen"
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question is... will there be noise made in the public?

  

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16. "Exactly. Sponsors aren't in the integrity game"
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They are in the $$$ (and thus PR) game; therefore, they are only going to act when their bottom line is potentially going to get mucked up (aka, as you said, when the public actually cares about it). If sponsors really gave a shit about someone's integrity or values, the Clippers wouldn't have had a sponsor since the early 2000's when all the dirt about Sterling's racism came out....the public paid no attention, no PR nightmare, and thus no sponsors paid any attention.

This applies to 99% of corporate entities including the NFL and NBA.

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12. "*clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick*"
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You know, the real problem the NFL (particularly Goodell) made for itself was strongly positioning itself as an extra-judicial disciplinary committee, set to punish and reform whenever evil shall raise its head. The problem being it's not a defined legal system and its justice was impfect and crude, then reactionary and dangerously blind -- not the "good" blind justice, but justice with no clue at all.

Hope Solo plays in a different league with different discipline protocol. Just because Ray Rice (and his fellow abusers) are being fucked. By an idiotically reactionary Goodell doesn't mean all other sports organizations need to start running themselves as equally poor. When The Rog is Solo's boss, sure, this would be a valid question, until then it's pretty fucking stupid spineless media clickbait.

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30. "this too"
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>You know, the real problem the NFL (particularly Goodell)
>made for itself was strongly positioning itself as an
>extra-judicial disciplinary committee, set to punish and
>reform whenever evil shall raise its head. The problem being
>it's not a defined legal system and its justice was impfect
>and crude, then reactionary and dangerously blind -- not the
>"good" blind justice, but justice with no clue at all.
>
>Hope Solo plays in a different league with different
>discipline protocol. Just because Ray Rice (and his fellow
>abusers) are being fucked. By an idiotically reactionary
>Goodell doesn't mean all other sports organizations need to
>start running themselves as equally poor. When The Rog is
>Solo's boss, sure, this would be a valid question, until then
>it's pretty fucking stupid spineless media clickbait.

  

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31. "ehh, but that's not what happened actually..."
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"Hope Solo plays in a different league with different discipline protocol. Just because Ray Rice (and his fellow abusers) are being fucked. By an idiotically reactionary Goodell doesn't mean all other sports organizations need to start running themselves as equally poor. When The Rog is Solo's boss, sure, this would be a valid question, until then it's pretty fucking stupid spineless media clickbait."

The reaction came from the public

pearl clutching ensued from both the original video

and then the 'light' penalty

I actually made a hope solo DV post about a month ago that went wood

people need to admit, they care because it's football

and they don't really care about DV

because if they cared about DV, the reaction wouldn't be reserved for NFL players.

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40. "so you expect people to care the same whether it's a football star "
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Or joe schmoe from around the corner?

Whatever the issue, it's gonna be a bigger deal the bigger the individual is.
>
>people need to admit, they care because it's football
>
>and they don't really care about DV
>
>because if they cared about DV, the reaction wouldn't be
>reserved for NFL players.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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14. "its women's soccer. no one cares."
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15. "She shouldn't be playing"
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But "pussification of MURRICA FEMINAZIS RUIN EVERYTHING"

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18. "WHY shouldn't she be playing? because Ray Rice can't play?"
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Because Roger Goodell's idiotic attempts at pandering to public outrage need to be replicated by all other sports? Because WHY?

Just cuz Goodell sucks at his job doesn't mean all athletes have to suffer his incompetence.

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27. "Because she's a piece of shit abusive asshole"
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17. "hope solo married Jerramy Stevens????"
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she nuts?

  

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19. "yes, she's nuts -- pretty notorious for it, wrote a whole book about it"
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Marrying Jerramy Stevens (and their subsequent arrest) is completely symptomatic of that.

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23. "uh, yeah. she's batshit."
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i bet that pussy is golden tho.

  

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26. "man i don't keep up with this shit"
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thought she was just your avg white soccer gal

this board is critical for keeping me informed

  

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21. "^^^"
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25. "different times breh. those were better days."
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22. "you sound like a white boy crying about reverse racism"
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nigga on that BUT WHERE'S THE WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION

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28. "I'm just trying to say, whey can't we have ONE month about white history..."
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37. "thats it, im getting a white pride tattoo"
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33. "RE: you sound like a white boy crying about reverse racism"
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I can't believe this thread was made....Shit is comical....In all the wrong ways....

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32. "ray rice and Adrian Peterson both copped to wrongdoing"
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Did solo?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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34. "Did they?"
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I thought they both were charged

Rice pleaded not guilty

as did Solo

I don't think AP has even entered a plea yet

so yeah...

...unless you're referring to public statements that both have made

which is kind of the point

there is no public reaction to Solo's case.

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35. "ap said he beat his kid and left bruises, rice admitted to punching his"
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Wife. I didn't say the plead guilty. I said they admitted wrongdoing.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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36. "and I said, I think you're missing the point of the post"
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what has Hope Solo said?

probably have a hard time finding a statement from her about the incident

because nobody is asking

comparatively, I think you can see the difference...no?

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39. "well ap gave an incriminating statement to police and rice got caught on..."
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Did solo get caught on tape or confess to police? It's not like a hard hitting investigation or the public/media's interest into rice/ap blew this up. Ap basically confessed from day 1 and the ravens/nfl cover up made the story more juicy than it needed to be. Factor in rice's video and the fact that solo is a isolated case of a freaking soccer player, compared to a seemingly epidemic of domestic issu3s in the nfl, are we really surprised by the difference in the fallout?

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41. "but Solo has had DV issues WITH an NFL player before..."
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She has a history of being abusive



Rice was a first time offense.


Solo both has abused her husband...

Now a woman and a kid.


She has the trifecta.


All she's needs now is to abuse a handicapped gay native American and her collection is complete.

  

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43. "RE:are we really surprised by the difference in the fallout?"
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Really, I was.

you act like Hope Solo is soccer becky from the local HS

olympic darling and once the face of the USWNT

NWSL

I think we all remember the body issue cover

even if Ray Rice is more 'famous', plenty of people still didn't know who he was

but even if you consider the current climate

I'm still surprised

especially when you consider, they bringing up ol' stuff, like Brandond Marshall, from what? 4 years ago?

and they are LOOKING HARD for the next MFer

DWYER
MacDonald
HARDY

w/o reading each incident report, didn't all 3 of these listed and the AP incident happen in relatively the same time frame? i.e., this summer?

People act like the Ray Rice incident didn't happen long before a couple of weeks ago when the elevator video came out

if they gon' shine the bat signal on DV

why not shine some on her?

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38. "Domestic Violence is okay in the minds of America as long as it's men......"
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.....

Seriously, y'all have to admit there is a double standard. Where's the cries of "SHE SHOULD NEVER BE ALLOWED TO PLAY FUTBOL AGAIN?". <--- All I'm saying.

Niggardly level just rose like the temperature on a hot day.

  

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42. "she has a vagina but is loving and kind to all almost always."
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This was an aberration.

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44. "She should be suspended for having the un sexiest nude pics ever."
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I had know idea who she was til last week

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46. "Olby agrees (vid)"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_WQ5eRdcgk&list=UUdJtV6wXT6lnrvldU_urowQ

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47. "No, Women’s Soccer Does Not Have a Domestic Violence Problem"
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http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/09/hope_solo_domestic_violence_it_is_very_very_stupid_to_compare_the_soccer.html?wpsrc=fol_fb

No, Women’s Soccer Does Not Have a Domestic Violence Problem
Or, why it is very, very stupid to compare Hope Solo to Ray Rice.

By Amanda Hess

Roger Goodell must be relieved. On Friday, critics of the NFL’s handling of domestic violence cases found a new target: U.S. women’s soccer. “When Ray Rice, Greg Hardy and Adrian Peterson were arrested, there were loud calls for those players to be suspended,” the New York Times’ Juliet Macur wrote. Meanwhile, Hope Solo—one of women’s soccer’s biggest stars—is still playing goalkeeper for the U.S. women’s national team, even as she awaits trial on two misdemeanor counts of domestic violence. (Solo is accused of instigating a fight in which she allegedly punched, tackled, and scratched her nephew and attacked her half-sister when she attempted to intervene; the nephew allegedly responded by hitting Solo in the head with a broom and sticking a BB gun in her face). “The response to Solo’s case?” Macur writes. “The sound of crickets—except on game days, when it changes to applause. And that’s inexcusable.” The Washington Post’s Cindy Boren takes the comparison and runs: “While U.S. Soccer doesn’t have the same high profile as the NFL, how do the cases differ? Aren’t women’s soccer players just as much role models as male football players? … Why is the notion of awaiting due process so inconsistently applied?”

The false equivalence here is startling. First, the idea that Solo is getting off easy is based on a standard that was established two weeks ago. Back in July, ESPN’s Jim Caple argued that Solo was, in fact, catching more public heat for her domestic violence arrest than scores of football players who have been arrested for even more serious offenses. The NFL’s new six-game suspension for first-time domestic abusers, as FiveThirtyEight’s Allison McCann wrote last month, quadruples the NFL’s previous average suspension for domestic violence-related violations of the league’s personal conduct policy. It is twice as harsh as the NFL’s previous record for a domestic violence–related suspension. (Tampa Bay Buccaneers running back Michael Pittman was suspended for three games in 2004 after ramming his SUV into a car carrying his wife and their 2-year-old son; the suspension came only after Pittman pled guilty and served jail time.) The NFL’s new normal—where players like the Carolina Panthers’ Greg Hardy and the Minnesota Vikings’ Adrian Peterson are benched with pay pending the outcome of their cases, and Rice has been suspended from the NFL indefinitely—represents a complete inversion of pro football’s prior policy. Again, after years of league inaction and obfuscation, this standard literally emerged in the past two weeks.

Even as the NFL begins to treat domestic abuse as a real problem, it’s worth questioning the league’s motivation. Rice was cut from his team and suspended from the NFL in response to overwhelming criticism from fans, domestic violence advocates, and sponsors who were finally fed up with the fact that the NFL has, for decades, taken domestic violence less seriously than it does, for example, drug offenses. Rice’s indefinite ban (which he plans to appeal) is the NFL’s attempt to demonstrate that it takes his crime seriously, sure. But it is also a bid to deflect criticism directed at the Ravens and league officials, who stand accused of purposefully misleading the public about the details of Rice’s crime and their investigation of it. All of the players who have been benched in the past couple of weeks are taking the heat for their league’s long-standing ignorance of domestic violence. It’s not clear that this approach—which penalizes highly visible players while letting the league off the hook—is ideal. What we do know for certain is that it’s not applicable to U.S. women’s soccer, which has no such systematic, decades-long history of ignoring the fact that certain players abuse their partners.

The Washington Post’s Cindy Boren asks why “no one is talking about” Solo’s domestic violence case. Congratulations­—we are now, and the level of the conversation is incredibly myopic. Boren suggests that perhaps the silence represents a cultural avoidance of the idea that “domestic violence isn’t simply an issue of men against women.” Well, the perpetrators of domestic violence are overwhelmingly male, the victims are overwhelmingly female, and the violence that occurs between intimate partners represents a far more insidious form of abuse than that of a woman fighting with her extended family. But yes, I agree, advocating for male victims of domestic violence and discussing the role of female perpetrators is a worthy goal.

But isn’t it more likely that the lack of public pressure in Solo’s case simply represents the relative lack of attention that women’s soccer receives as compared with pro football? A mixed martial arts fighter who goes by the name War Machine is facing 32 felony charges in the brutal beating of his ex-girlfriend Christy Mack. Based on a Nexis search, that vicious assault has been covered in Macur’s New York Times in just one microscopic AP news brief. Might that be because mixed martial artists are less prominent cultural figures than NFL stars?

Macur suggests that holding Solo accountable for a domestic violence charge would be a step toward “a world in which female and male athletes are ever to be treated equally.” She does not explain how benching Solo will actually serve to close the enormous cultural and financial gulfs between men’s and women’s sports, because it won’t.

Why exactly do we care about domestic violence in the NFL? It’s not because football players are our nation’s leading batterers of women. (In the Atlantic last week, Conor Friedersdorf nominated police officers for that honor.) It’s because domestic violence is a problem bigger than football, one too easily perpetrated in homes across America and excused by law enforcement, and one that is (again) overwhelmingly committed by male partners who exert physical, social, and financial control to keep their victims in their power. Meanwhile, no institution rivals football in its power to exert social and financial pressure on American men and boys. That makes the NFL an awfully convenient perch for tackling this issue. Domestic violence also serves as a powerful symbol of the toxic masculinity and devaluation of women that football promotes: This is a sport where men are rewarded for beating other men until they can’t even walk or think anymore while women appear solely as sexual objects (a task they perform for a criminal sum) and are systematically underrepresented (to the point of nonexistence) as executives, journalists, coaches, and referees.

Now, journalists like Macur and Boren have stripped domestic violence of this context to score gotcha columns about how it’s “inexcusable” to ignore a woman’s alleged criminal acts. But whether or not it’s the right call to suspend Hope Solo, how necessary is it for an institution like U.S. women’s soccer to send a message to young girls that it’s not OK to violently attack their family members? In the long list of social imperatives that can be modeled by women’s sports­—like proving that girls can be strong, active, healthy, competitive, assertive, career-focused, and just as capable as boys on all of these fronts—this one does not exactly compete. Launching a campaign to raise awareness of female domestic abusers would be an absurd way to spend the league’s extremely limited cultural capital.

If we’re interested in elevating Solo as the symbolic face of women perpetuating domestic violence, let’s really investigate what exactly she represents. Macur oddly omits the fact that former NFL player Jerramy Stevens—who is no longer in the league after amassing a truly impressive list of sexual assault, battery, and DUI accusations—was arrested for attacking Solo the night before their wedding. The case was dropped for lack of evidence, largely stemming from Solo’s nonparticipation. The couple was married shortly thereafter, kinda sorta exactly like what happened with Ray and Janay Rice.

When Macur leaves these parallels out of her story—she doesn’t even mention that Solo is married to a football player, much less that said player is Jerramy Stevens—you have to question what her motivation is in writing this column. Is she legitimately interested in evaluating how the NFL and U.S. soccer treat domestic violence, or does she just want to score some cheap points?

“One can argue the differences between an N.F.L. player punching his soon-to-be wife and a soccer star brawling with her family, but it is indisputable that both qualify as domestic violence,” is how Macur compares Rice and Solo. One could also argue about the differences between the NFL and women’s soccer, but it is indisputable that both qualify as sports. So why is one a billion dollar industry that courts millions of viewers, billions in sponsorships, and untold airtime while the other barely registers with the American public outside of the World Cup and the Olympics? And why is no one talking about this?

Does any of this mean that Hope Solo should keep playing while she awaits her day in court? Not necessarily. But spare the indignation about how women’s soccer is somehow doing worse on domestic violence than the NFL. If you believe that, you’re either a raging football apologist, or the commissioner of the NFL.

  

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48. "Does the NFL have "a Domestic Violence Problem"? Are NFL players..."
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more likely to commit domestic violence than police officers, politicians or preachers?

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50. "it's hard keeping track which shitty argument you're making"
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but this article generally refuted all of it.

  

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49. "I read that as...NFL >>> NWSL, so it's okay"
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This is where I have an issue with this article, especially when you consider we're talking about Hope Solo

"But whether or not it’s the right call to suspend Hope Solo, how necessary is it for an institution like U.S. women’s soccer to send a message to young girls that it’s not OK to violently attack their family members?"

Well it's not just family members, it's violence in general and I'd say it's pretty important.

Pardon the ramble, but I'm reading The New Jim Crow

In the US, there are approximately 250K female inmates, of which, approximately 90000 have been convicted of violent offenses

The leading offense for both men and women BTW.

"In the long list of social imperatives that can be modeled by women’s sports­—like proving that girls can be strong, active, healthy, competitive, assertive, career-focused, and just as capable as boys on all of these fronts—this one does not exactly compete. Launching a campaign to raise awareness of female domestic abusers would be an absurd way to spend the league’s extremely limited cultural capital."

IMO, I wouldn't want young girls looking to Hope Solo as an example of anything other than talented athelete

she's pretty much a train wreck off the field

I read this paragraph as...Hope Solo is a star in the NWSL, and keeping her on the field does more good, as a draw to fans than suspending her.

I haven't heard anyone demand that the NWSL launch a DV campaign, all I've heard people speak about is consistency

I would expect the other sports leagues, MLB, NBA, etc...to follow the NFL's lead and review their penalties for DV

but we shouldn't ask the NWSL to suspend a player for DV because...?

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51. "that's a bit of a cynical reading of the article"
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I think the point is how miserable this false equivalency is, not that it's ok that Hope Solo is a violent scumbag.

  

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52. "RE: not that it's ok that Hope Solo is a violent scumbag"
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isn't that the message that the NWSL sends by not penalizing her?

seriously, I'm lost

the 'article' you posted alludes to the decades of DV in the NFL

which in itself is a false equivalency

being that the NWSL was founded in 2013

so we should wait a few decades to see if any other NWSL players are involved in DV cases?

another big problem is that ambulance chaser parading Brandon Marshall's OLD DV case from over 4 years ago

if we're gonna start turning over rocks and going back to future for DV examples by atheletes

why is Hope Solo not in the conversation?

the article alludes to female on male violence as being not AS important

another false equivalency

IMO, the defense of Hope Solo sounds more like...but she's a girl

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53. "Solo's trial is pending, NWSL has stated clearly they'll discipline then"
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Again, just because Roger Goodell is too stupid to be able to proactively address the problem of disciplin in this scenario doesn't mean all other leagues must be held to the NFL's abysmal standard.

When the LEGAL justice system reaches a verdict, the NWSL will consider discipline. As it should be. Goodell made his corner where weak drug offenses and mere arrests resulted in discipline, then disciplined incorrectly when given the chance with Rice. Then lied and made weak statements etc. None of that means Solo and the. NWSL need to consider discipline solely for an arrest. The equivalency here is soooo idiotic and diversionary...

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DV

that's all I been trying to say

it's not about holding other leagues to the same standard

of course the NWSL doesn't have to dole out punishments parallel to what's going on in other professional sports leagues

it's the pearl cluthing/faux outrage from the public and the media that is not equivalent here

as far as I know, only Greg Hardy has actually been convicted of anything (outside the court of public opinion that is)

to use the 'let the legal process play out' logic seems out of place, IMO

when the demand came from the public

if this is about DV at all, why is she not in the conversation?

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54. "gotta ride w/ this article."
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equating Solo with these NFL violators is dumb.

they are nothing alike and there is a HUGE reason why getting it right w/ the NFL is hundreds times more important than making an example of Solo.

  

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56. "No, Hope Solo Is Not "Like" Ray Rice"
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No, Hope Solo Is Not "Like" Ray Rice

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/09/no-hope-solo-is-not-like-ray-rice/380626/

To say the female soccer star accused of assault is the same as the football player who pummeled his fiancé erases the historical truth about domestic violence.

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SEP 23 2014, 11:46 AM ET

Soccer star Hope Solo is alleged to have assaulted her sister and 17-year old nephew in June of this year. Unlike Ray Rice, Solo is still plying her trade as a goalkeeper for the national team. This led several people to claim that Solo is the beneficiary of a double standard. In The New York Times Juliet Macur makes the argument:

One can argue the differences between an N.F.L. player punching his soon-to-be wife and a soccer star brawling with her family, but it is indisputable that both qualify as domestic violence. The glaring contrast in Solo’s case is that while several football players recently accused of assaults have been removed from the field, she has been held up for praise by the national team.

On Thursday she was even given the honor of wearing the captain’s armband in celebration of her setting the team’s career record for shutouts in its previous game. The question is why.

Celebrating Solo’s achievement right now is like allowing running back Adrian Peterson, who has been accused of child abuse, to continue to play for the Minnesota Vikings — and then awarding him the game ball for his next 100-yard game.
This analysis strikes me as incorrect, as it does for Slate's Amanda Hess. It also exists outside the bounds of human history. Ray Rice did not so much "brawl with his family" as he pummeled his fiancé into unconsciousness. Contrary to the flimsy notion that Real Men don't hit women, Real Men have been pummeling women for much of human history.

It is now becoming fashionable to ignore human history and dump all manner of insupportable violence committed by athletes into the same bucket. The label on that bucket reads "Something Bad, Which We Should Punish." It is true that what Ray Rice did was violent and wrong. It is also true that what Adrian Peterson did was violent and wrong. And it also true that what Hope Solo is alleged to have done is violent and wrong. But they are not the same specimen of violent and wrong.

In our society we recognize different kinds of violence. We understand, for instance, that lynching enjoys a particular place in American history. We generally grant that Emmett Till was not merely murdered, but that he was murdered in a fashion that places his death in a specifically heinous tradition in our history. And thus we understand that what happened to Till, or what James Byrd, or what happened to Sam Hose is not the same thing as what happened to Tupac Shakur or Sam Cooke. This does not mean that what happened to Shakur or Cooke was good. It means that it wasn't a lynching.

In the history of humanity, spouse-beating is a particularly odious tradition—one often employed by men looking to exert power over women. Just as lynching in America is not a phenomenon wholly confined to black people, spouse-beatings are not wholly confined to women. But in our actual history, women have largely been on the receiving end of spouse-beating. We have generally recognized this in our saner moments. There is a reason why we call it the "Violence Against Women Act" and not the "Brawling With Families Act." That is because we recognize that violence against women is an insidious, and sometimes lethal, tradition that deserves a special place in our customs and laws.

This is the tradition with which Ray Rice will be permanently affiliated. Hope Solo is affiliated with a different tradition—misdemeanor assault. If she is guilty she should be punished. And perhaps we do need to have a conversation about punishing athletes for assaulting people. But we don't need Ray Rice to make that case. And we should not pretend that if Ray Rice were accused of assaulting his younger brother and his 17-year old nephew, we would be having this conversation.

Hope Solo only becomes Ray Rice through the annihilation of inconvenient history—through some forgery that implies that there is no tradition of men controlling women through violence. We are familiar with other such forgeries. It is how a conversation about the racism of Richie Incognito becomes a conversation about banning black people from using the word "nigger." Or how the destruction of Mike Brown's body becomes a debate about "black-on-black crime." Or how Ray Rice knocking his wife unconscious morphs into, "Yes, but women do it too." Indeed they do—but neither with the consistency, nor urgency, nor lethality of men.

  

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i rarely agree with Coates it seems, but this time Coates is DEAD ON.

  

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>i rarely agree with Coates it seems,

He's one of my favorite writers.

  

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59. "I agree with Coates but I think he's letting Solo off too easy"
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The comparison may not hold but that doesn't make her blameless. And I'm not advocating for her to be suspended or whatever. But she's got a history of getting drunk and escalating fights with her family.

  

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60. "But he didn't say she's blameless"
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"what Hope Solo is alleged to have done is violent and wrong"

"If she is guilty she should be punished"

  

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