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CherNic
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"new NFL Domestic Violence policy: 2nd offense = lifetime ban"
Thu Aug-28-14 01:37 PM by CherNic

  

          

@AdamSchefter · 4m

So the Ray Rice Fallout continues with a new domestic violence policy. Six games for 1st offense, lifetime ban for 2nd.

@AdamSchefter · 17s

Key phrase in new domestic violence policy sent to NFL owners: "These disciplinary consequences apply to all NFL personnel." ALL personnel.

Goodell hopscotched straight to 10 on this one eh?

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
I wonder what the new drug policy will be then.
Aug 28th 2014
1
classic Goodell
Aug 28th 2014
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uh where the union at on this?
Aug 28th 2014
3
yeah like what if it's just snatching her phone out her hands
Aug 28th 2014
5
This does not fall under CBA, NFLPA guidelines .
Aug 28th 2014
12
i applaud them for actually getting a policy
Aug 28th 2014
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No 3 strikes?
Aug 28th 2014
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2 cases of domestic abuse is a lot
Aug 29th 2014
37
Why do they have to specfically point out domestic violence?
Aug 28th 2014
7
Right? Can a dude beat up a random broad?
Aug 28th 2014
9
New #NFL rules cover "assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual...
Aug 28th 2014
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They're trying to appease women's groups.
Aug 29th 2014
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http://www.bellybillboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/goodellthor.jpg
Aug 28th 2014
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LMAO, exactly
Aug 28th 2014
13
DAAAAAAAMMM ® The Liks
Aug 28th 2014
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would any current players be banned fo life
Aug 28th 2014
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I see broads trying to provoke cats like "I dare you! 6 games bitch!"
Aug 28th 2014
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I guess they'll have to just not knock their women out anyway
Aug 29th 2014
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      or knock anybody out....domestic is just a part of it
Aug 29th 2014
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           I was replying to a specific ugly comment
Aug 29th 2014
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                lo siento
Aug 29th 2014
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I'm sure there is already plenty of abuse not reported
Aug 29th 2014
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Here's a swipe & link
Aug 28th 2014
15
Unless rice admitted to beating homegirls, this don't even apply
Aug 28th 2014
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is there a 'provoked' clause?
Aug 28th 2014
18
real talk.
Aug 28th 2014
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Asshole team fans are going to use this as a strategy against opponents
Aug 28th 2014
22
I don't see this happening.
Aug 29th 2014
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      You're underestimating how manipulative people are
May 26th 2015
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           you gotta show me these women who got rich
May 26th 2015
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smfh
Aug 28th 2014
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This doesn't make sense
Aug 28th 2014
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This is just window dressing
Aug 28th 2014
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
May 26th 2015
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i dont see a problem with it...
Aug 28th 2014
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i think ppl here are more pissed at the 0-60 ness of it all
Aug 28th 2014
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hes giving them one shot on their chick as a warning...
Aug 28th 2014
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It Ain't About Beating Up Women
Aug 28th 2014
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youre speculating ...ray rice hit his gal,,and got a pass
Aug 28th 2014
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That was already true though
Aug 29th 2014
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Ray rice was definitely charged
Aug 29th 2014
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      You are right. My bad
Aug 29th 2014
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           Yeah. Which made this a shitty system from the jump.
Aug 29th 2014
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or beating up anybody....it's not just women/domestic abuse
Aug 29th 2014
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      RE: or beating up anybody....it's not just women/domestic abuse
Aug 29th 2014
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they're right to distrust the commissioner and half assed due process
Aug 28th 2014
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      ^ ^
Aug 29th 2014
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this policy is bad for the same reason america's prisons don't work
Aug 28th 2014
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ben's not a good example. he got away with stupid shit and kept doing it...
Aug 28th 2014
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lethality!
Aug 29th 2014
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nm
May 26th 2015
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I appreciate the priorites...but it could be problematic...
Aug 29th 2014
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RE: I appreciate the priorites...but it could be problematic...
Aug 29th 2014
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      RE: could be problematic...
Aug 29th 2014
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           RE: could be problematic...
Aug 29th 2014
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                ehh, yes and no...
Aug 29th 2014
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Message to players: don't get married or cohabitate.
Aug 29th 2014
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that should be the first thing they tell them at rookie orientation, any...
Sep 01st 2014
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      True. Men will put up with just about anything for pussy.
May 27th 2015
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whoo some of yall look like women haters...not surprising but damn
Aug 29th 2014
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KITCHEN
Aug 29th 2014
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Look like?
Aug 29th 2014
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it always surprises me how many dudes assume women are faking it
May 26th 2015
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The smartest forum on OKP
May 26th 2015
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If this was based on convictions by a court I would be with it nm.
Aug 29th 2014
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Goodell’s PR Move Also Better Policy (swipe)
Aug 29th 2014
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CORRECTION: 2nd Offense = At least 1 Year Ban
Aug 30th 2014
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49ers Ray McDonald arrested on domestic violence charges
Aug 31st 2014
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The sad part is that an arrest doesn't equal guilt.
Sep 01st 2014
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      hopefully Ray McDonald isn't being victimized again. and again.
May 26th 2015
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           maybe the woman AND the baby provoked him
May 26th 2015
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                I bet you 5 bucks the infant started it nm
May 26th 2015
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                Ray McDonald specifically aside, Case is right, I could see this getting...
May 26th 2015
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                in your opinion it always was out of hand
May 26th 2015
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                Oh so you're making stuff up again today?
May 26th 2015
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                     bruh. we're all here. that's who you are.
May 26th 2015
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                          okayplayer. n/m
May 26th 2015
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                by 'out of hand', do you mean....
May 26th 2015
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                     "domestic violence" is a very broad term and can mean anything from...
May 26th 2015
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                          If you think someone is trying to abuse the law...
May 26th 2015
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                               you sound like people saying police should shoot people in the leg...
May 26th 2015
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                                    LOL @ I don't cop pleas for those who do
May 26th 2015
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                                    RE: LOL @ I don't cop pleas for those who do
May 26th 2015
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                                         I know you like who you are.
May 26th 2015
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                                         its funny that you are kind of making his point with this
May 26th 2015
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                                              when you're that guy, you've gotta be that guy
May 26th 2015
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                                              I guess you can't read either.
May 26th 2015
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                                                   I can read, that's how I know you're making his point
May 26th 2015
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                                                        RE: I can read, that's how I know you're making his point
May 27th 2015
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                                    First of all, your subject line is incomprehensible.
May 26th 2015
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                                         fixed it for ya...
May 26th 2015
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                                              Maybe instead of worrying about this...
May 26th 2015
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                                                   RE: Maybe instead of worrying about this...
May 26th 2015
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                                                        In the Ray Rice case, she dropped the case again him..
May 26th 2015
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                                                             I'm saying DV is a broad topic that covers a broad range of things and.....
May 26th 2015
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                                                                  and everyone else is saying STFU
May 26th 2015
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                                                                       and I'm not even talking to your dumbass...
May 26th 2015
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                                                                            despite a preponderance of evidence to the contrary
May 26th 2015
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                                                                                 Unfortunately I can't say the same about you.
May 26th 2015
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                                                                                      I'm ok with you not being a fan of me
May 26th 2015
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                clearly it's his fiance's devious plan to take all of his money
May 26th 2015
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                     She wouldn't do it for the money, Rj.
May 26th 2015
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                          well obviously
May 26th 2015
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Hookers everywhere rejoice
May 26th 2015
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Gold-diggers too.
May 27th 2015
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should be the same for cheating.
May 26th 2015
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Focused!
May 26th 2015
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you can almost hear the balls deflating.
May 26th 2015
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ok. that made me laugh
May 26th 2015
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maybe 2nd offense = lifetime ban is a bit harsh
May 27th 2015
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what a dumb motherfucker.
May 27th 2015
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this dude got arrested on Wednesday...
May 27th 2015
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      #AYDMF
May 27th 2015
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BennyTenStack
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1. "I wonder what the new drug policy will be then."
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Firing squad after your second joint?

  

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2. "classic Goodell"
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respond to calls of disparity with THE HAMMER

  

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3. "uh where the union at on this?"
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and what counts as an offense?
ray rice was never convicted of anything
god forbid a players get caught up with some jumpoffs and gets fucked by goodell with nary a conviction

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5. "yeah like what if it's just snatching her phone out her hands"
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or something like that? 6 game suspension? not that i condone those lesser incidents, but this policy paints w/ a really broad brush

  

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12. "This does not fall under CBA, NFLPA guidelines ."
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This comes under personal conduct policy from/by Goodell. I am sure the NFLPA may try to protest this if it is at all possible.

  

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4. "i applaud them for actually getting a policy"
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Thu Aug-28-14 01:50 PM by bleekgilliam_420

  

          

I don't know if I have a problem with a lifetime ban for the 2nd offense. how are they going to apply this though? is it when they are officially charged?

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6. "No 3 strikes?"
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Not against strict consequences at all, but I think that severity and context should be taken into consideration rather than number of incidences. 2 I think unfortunately, and I think it's sad to say, is too few chances. By 3 I think we can really understand if the people involved are committed to ending the cycle and taking the proper legal steps to avoid physical altercations.

  

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37. "2 cases of domestic abuse is a lot"
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I agree there will be some gray area in what counts, do charges need to be filed etc etc...

But to say an adult needs 3 chances to not hit his girlfriend/fiancee/wife is being a bit too apologetic for the behavior the first 2 times he did it.

  

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7. "Why do they have to specfically point out domestic violence?"
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Why not define the punishment in terms of the level of crime? A domestic violence and regular assault charge should be treated the same.

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9. "Right? Can a dude beat up a random broad?"
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And not be included in this?

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"D is for what I serve, I don't be on no curb, she aint no junky neither, I ain't no dope dealer" - 3000

  

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11. "New #NFL rules cover "assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual..."
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>Why not define the punishment in terms of the level of crime?
>A domestic violence and regular assault charge should be
>treated the same.


New #NFL rules cover "assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault" against ANYONE. Not just domestic, or against women.

https://twitter.com/dan_bernstein/status/505067331173638144


Very important: domestic stuff just part of this. Goodell is telling #NFL personnel "Stop committing off-field acts of violence." Period.

https://twitter.com/dan_bernstein/status/505070422950297600

  

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34. "They're trying to appease women's groups."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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8. "http://www.bellybillboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/goodellthor.jpg"
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http://www.bellybillboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/goodellthor.jpg

  

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13. "LMAO, exactly"
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10. "DAAAAAAAMMM ® The Liks"
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Wow...unfortunately it seems like an overreaction move though.

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14. "would any current players be banned fo life"
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if this policy were instituted 5-10 years ago?

also will these wives/girlfriends not report to police knowing the money would stop?

  

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17. "I see broads trying to provoke cats like "I dare you! 6 games bitch!""
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>if this policy were instituted 5-10 years ago?
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>also will these wives/girlfriends not report to police knowing
>the money would stop?

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39. "I guess they'll have to just not knock their women out anyway"
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40. "or knock anybody out....domestic is just a part of it"
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42. "I was replying to a specific ugly comment"
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CherNic
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44. "lo siento"
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38. "I'm sure there is already plenty of abuse not reported"
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Hell the Ray Rice thing probably never would have been if not for being in public and on camera.

  

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15. "Here's a swipe & link"
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Here's an excerpt from the full article that stood out. Now, I'm sure that they have an army of lawyers who'll help them break this apart and try to keep them from messing up. But I don't like the fact that there's no clear determination of an "offense.":

To be counted as an "offense," a player would not necessarily have to be convicted in a court of law, but each incident will be judged on its own merits.

"Our personal conduct policy has long made clear that domestic violence and sexual assault are unacceptable. We clearly must do a better job of addressing these incidents in the NFL. And we will," the commissioner wrote.

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The full article & link:

http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-commentary/article/11425377/nfl-implements-domestic-violence-penalties

NEW YORK -- The NFL is immediately implementing a sweeping domestic violence initiative that calls for a six-game suspension for a first offense and a lifetime ban from the league for a second offense.

The measures, announced in a letter from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to all team owners, a copy of which was obtained by ESPN, apply to all NFL personnel.

A six-game suspension would be without pay and the length of the penalty could increase in these cases: an employee was involved in a prior incident before joining the NFL; violence involving a weapon; choking, repeated striking, or when the act is committed against a pregnant woman; or in the presence of a child. A second-time offender may petition for reinstatement after one year but there is no assurance the petition would be granted, the letter said.


The measures come partly in response to intense criticism Goodell received for his handling of discipline for Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice, who received a two-game suspension in July for assaulting his then-fiancee in February. Widely viewed as soft punishment, Goodell left many with the impression that the NFL did not understand domestic violence or take it seriously as a crime.

Goodell acknowledged as much in the letter.

"At times, however, and despite our best efforts, we fall short of our goals," Goodell wrote. "We clearly did so in response to a recent incident of domestic violence. ... My disciplinary decision led the public to question our sincerity, our commitment, and whether we understood the toll that domestic violence inflicts on so many families. I take responsibility both for the decision and for ensuring that our actions in the future properly reflect our values.

"I didn't get it right."

To be counted as an "offense," a player would not necessarily have to be convicted in a court of law, but each incident will be judged on its own merits.

"Our personal conduct policy has long made clear that domestic violence and sexual assault are unacceptable. We clearly must do a better job of addressing these incidents in the NFL. And we will," the commissioner wrote.

The Ravens had no immediate comment on the new policy after it was announced Thursday.

The league also announced a number of outreach measures. It will bulk up the domestic violence portion of the rookie symposium, identify at-risk personnel and offer preventative counseling, and also offer families a phone number as an emergency resource.

The NFL will also take that message on the road.

"We will expand the educational components in our college, high school and youth football programs that address domestic violence and sexual assault," Goodell wrote to owners.

The NFL instructs owners to distribute a memo to all personnel that details these new expectations and begins: "Domestic violence and sexual assault are wrong. They are illegal. They are never acceptable and have no place in the NFL under any circumstances."

In February, Rice was arrested on a charge of aggravated assault after knocking out his fiancee in an elevator in Atlantic City, New Jersey. Surveillance video showed Rice dragging Janay Palmer, who appeared unconscious, out of the elevator. Unreleased video showed Rice striking Palmer in the elevator.

In July, Goodell announced that Rice would be suspended for the first two games of the regular season. There was deep and sustained criticism from fans and groups who work with victims of domestic violence in response. The number of games was less than the suspensions given for most other infractions, such as substance abuse, steroid use or DUI offenses. The penalty for those items is determined by the collective bargaining agreement hammered out with the players' union in 2011.

Domestic violence infractions, however, fall under the personal conduct policy, which meant that Goodell alone was able to determine the severity of any fine or suspension. The fact that the Ravens held a press conference with Rice in May and had Janay sitting next to him on the dais also seemed to imply she shared responsibility -- whether or not that was the intention.

The fact that Goodell reportedly allowed Rice's wife into the hearing to plead for leniency in front of her husband's employers struck many as inappropriate.

"Having done this work for many years, often a victim will say she doesn't want the abuser punished," said Judy Kluger, a former New York City judge and current executive director of Sanctuary for Families, after the decision was announced. "That shouldn't deter what an independent organization decides to do."

  

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16. "Unless rice admitted to beating homegirls, this don't even apply"
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To him.

He musta had to copped to knocking her out right?

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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18. "is there a 'provoked' clause? "
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let's take women out of the equation so nobody can accuse me of any bullshit. so lets look at male on male assault, etc.

if i'm a player and i'm in a club (you know this gonna happen in a club first), and some dude comes up to me, all in my face, beefing, and acting like an asshole.

i try to turn the cheek. he in my grill again. pushes me. i hit him (because i hit hard), and he presses charges. i can get 6 games off that?

there better be some serious caveat language or they putting targets on people's backs with this.

i agree something needs to be done. but i don't have faith in goodell an nem to be fair arbiters.

folks gonna be getting extorted left and right. hit me w/ some $$$'s or i'm TELLIN.


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19. "real talk."
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22. "Asshole team fans are going to use this as a strategy against opponents"
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Crazy ass Patriot fans are going to see a rival AFC player in the club and get shit popping off in the club and Belichick going to be in the bushes filming the whole thing.

  

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49. "I don't see this happening. "
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>folks gonna be getting extorted left and right. hit me w/ some
>$$$'s or i'm TELLIN.

Nah.

This policy is tricky like everything else with player discipline, but that's a stretch.

  

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68. "You're underestimating how manipulative people are"
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I know dudes who worked at Pathmark who were extorted

It happens a lot

  

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74. "you gotta show me these women who got rich"
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off of accusing their husbands of domestic violence.

I'm not even saying every accusation or instance is true. but to act like there's some financial windfall that accompanies it that makes this all worth it is beyond ignorant.

remember, you stood up for this shithead and claimed to know the big truth about women.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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20. "smfh"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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21. "This doesn't make sense"
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23. "This is just window dressing"
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Barry Petchesky at Deadspin correctly notes that the only change in this policy is the 6 game starting point for a first offense which is immediately mitigated by saying that the commissioner has discretion based on different factors.

http://deadspin.com/so-whats-actually-new-about-the-nfls-new-domestic-viole-1628098179

So What's Actually New About The NFL's New Domestic Violence Policy?

Barry Petchesky

The most important thing to note about the NFL's new rules on domestic violence is that they are neither new nor are they rules. They are words strung together in such a way that people will respond by saying, "Wow, the NFL takes domestic violence seriously."

And it worked. In my earlier post immediately following the announcement, I referred to the "severe new penalties for domestic violence," but on further reflection, I got okey-doked too. Here's the relevant part of the letter Roger Goodell sent to owners today:

"Effective immediately, violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involve physical force will be subject to a suspension without pay of six games for a first offense, with consideration given to mitigating factors, as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrant... A second offense will result in banishment from the NFL; while an individual may petition for reinstatement after one year, there will be no presumption or assurance that the petition will be granted. These disciplinary standards will apply to all NFL personnel.
Please note that all this change does is sub in a loose baseline—six games plus or minus "mitigating factors"—for a previously undefined suspension length that could always have been as long as Roger Goodell wanted it to be. The NFL could have chosen to suspend Ray Rice for six games without passing these rules. The NFL could have suspended the next player to beat the shit out of his wife for six games, without needing to refer to any new rules."

Domestic violence offenses still fall under the league's Personal Conduct Policy, with which the NFLPA inexplicably handed the NFL unilateral control over discipline not specifically covered in the CBA. Players will still have the right to appeal their punishments and likely get them reduced. Literally nothing has changed.

Well, that's not precisely true. Now the NFL gets to see its name in headlines touting its zero tolerance policy for domestic violence. Look how many stories include the phrase "lifetime ban," even though a second offense actually garners an "indefinite" suspension from which the player can apply for reinstatement after one year. Josh Gordon is currently serving the same "lifetime ban" for failing a second drug test for marijuana. At least hitting a bong is no longer worse in the league's eyes than hitting a woman; it's now equally bad.

But Goodell's "Message: I care" announcement today isn't about specifics; it's about projecting an aura of authority, even in the midst of a frantic rowback on the NFL's tone-deaf handling of the Rice case. We're all complicit in allowing the league to present itself as a moral arbiter. Aaron Gordon nailed the dynamic earlier this month:

The personal conduct policy is a tremendously successful marketing effort which has resulted in people equating the NFL and Goodell himself with justice. Regardless of whether the NFL actually has the power to shift societal views, people believe it does, which puts it in rarified territory. It makes the NFL not just a sports league, but a cultural institution.
No one should be looking to the NFL or the sports world for ethical guidance on anything, to say nothing of subjects like domestic violence or recreational drug use, both sufficiently fucked up within our legal system. It's nice that Goodell recognizes he tripped all over his own dick in the Rice matter, but don't lose sight of the fact that today he's nothing more than Moses coming down from the mountain, bearing a press release.

  

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93. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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CAN'T TRUSS IT!

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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24. "i dont see a problem with it... "
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do all yall niggas in here beat up on your women or some shit?

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25. "i think ppl here are more pissed at the 0-60 ness of it all"
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shit doesnt make any sense logically.


If youre gonna lifetime ban the 2nd offense, make offense one more stringent.

hell just lifetime ban the first offense.

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27. "hes giving them one shot on their chick as a warning..."
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lolz

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26. "It Ain't About Beating Up Women"
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All you need to do is be accused...and without an investigation Goddell can lay the hammer down. So some chick OR dude can start some shit, and just accuse you in the media and you can get 6 games

For example: Colin Kaepernick could've conceivably gotten suspended for that bullshit that happened to him this off-season. All it takes is an accusation

  

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28. "youre speculating ...ray rice hit his gal,,and got a pass"
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the new rule gives you one good shot on your gal and one pass..next time..you out..i think its fair..

>All you need to do is be accused...and without an
>investigation Goddell can lay the hammer down. So some chick
>OR dude can start some shit, and just accuse you in the media
>and you can get 6 games
>
>For example: Colin Kaepernick could've conceivably gotten
>suspended for that bullshit that happened to him this
>off-season. All it takes is an accusation

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33. "That was already true though"
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>All you need to do is be accused...and without an
>investigation Goddell can lay the hammer down. So some chick
>OR dude can start some shit, and just accuse you in the media
>and you can get 6 games
>
>For example: Colin Kaepernick could've conceivably gotten
>suspended for that bullshit that happened to him this
>off-season. All it takes is an accusation

Roethlisberger was not charged with anything in either of his incidents after investigation. Goodell suspended him regardless. Ray Rice, also not charged. Goodell, again, suspended him regardless.

Until I see this going into action, I think this is little more than a spin move from the NFL to rephrase powers that it already had in an effort to try and make up some public relations ground that the League lost after Ray Rice.

  

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48. "Ray rice was definitely charged"
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He got a stupidly sweet plea deal.

  

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52. "You are right. My bad"
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The overall point that punishment for personal conduct was always a unilateral decision by the commissioner still stands though.

  

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55. "Yeah. Which made this a shitty system from the jump."
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I'm less mad about an imperfect system for domestic violence than I am for things like weed, but yeah. Goodell has never had a good system in place.

And if that deadspin article is correct, this is definitely all just publicity, and it's working perfectly.

  

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41. "or beating up anybody....it's not just women/domestic abuse"
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45. "RE: or beating up anybody....it's not just women/domestic abuse"
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They are not hearing you. This is about any form of Violence against Anyone. Assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault are all included in this.

  

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29. "they're right to distrust the commissioner and half assed due process"
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but the likely mismanagement by the nfl doesn't trump the real victims of violence out there right now. nfl had to do something.

  

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56. "^ ^"
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>RE: they're right to distrust the commissioner and half assed due process

>but the likely mismanagement by the nfl doesn't trump the
>real victims of violence out there right now. nfl had to do
>something.

  

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30. "this policy is bad for the same reason america's prisons don't work"
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all punishment with no eye toward rehabilitation. mess up twice (two strikes), you're on the street with no outlet for your skills, no income, and all previous support gone. don't know if rape would qualify as DV, but ben would've been out of the league at age 24 off this. instead, he's grown up and turned things around about as well as anyone could've expected. no telling where he'd be in life if this policy had been in place ten years ago. not every young clown is gonna get their act together, but you have to make room for that possibility.

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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31. "ben's not a good example. he got away with stupid shit and kept doing it..."
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he probably would have stopped the stupid shit sooner if he'd had a real consequence before 2010. that's what the policy is trying to establish.

i agree that rehabilitation is important, but you can't rehabilitate people if you're not willing to recognize that there are real problems. willful ignorance and wishful thinking are too often the response to sexual assault and domestic violence.

if we want to talk about how the nfl is fucking up like our prisons are fucked up though, we could talk about shit like minor drug habits. but okp know that ain't a grey area. we know if you want to ball, you just got to stay away from that shit.

why do we want to grey up some shit with real victims?

  

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57. "lethality!"
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>if we want to talk about how the nfl is fucking up like our
>prisons are fucked up though, we could talk about shit like
>minor drug habits. but okp know that ain't a grey area. we
>know if you want to ball, you just got to stay away from that
>shit.
>
>why do we want to grey up some shit with real victims?

  

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69. "nm"
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Nm

  

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32. "I appreciate the priorites...but it could be problematic..."
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if a guy gets into a confrontation with his woman... he may be in a position to accept a plea deal to protect his girl and his family... Now if his job is threatened....now he may not be able to accept a deal that he could have accepted before....now he and his family is at risk..

honestly...all they have to do is let the commissioner decide the penalty..for habitual abusers....lifetime ban is fine..

but there are circumstances that may happen where the man may be more of a victim than anything else, and thus having a blanket system that doesn't allow to take each individual situation on it's own could be problematic...


the thing people forget about.... the police and DA saw what happened inside the elevator with Ray Rice... and decided not to charge him.

if what they had saw had warranted charges..he would have been charged..

  

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43. "RE: I appreciate the priorites...but it could be problematic..."
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>the thing people forget about.... the police and DA saw what
>happened inside the elevator with Ray Rice... and decided not
>to charge him.
>
>if what they had saw had warranted charges..he would have been
>charged..

Stop saying Rice was never charged. He was. He pleaded/pled Not Guilty. Then to avoid a trial both sides agreed to a pretrial program. He was formally charged.

From Time.com

Rice pled not guilty to aggravated assault in the third degree after a physical altercation between him and then-fiancee Janay Palmer left Palmer unconscious in an Atlantic City casino elevator. A grand jury indicted Rice in March; Rice and Palmer married the following day. Rice settled those charges by entering a pretrial program in May, which meant he was not required to pay a criminal fine or serve jail time. The indictment will be cleared from Rice’s record in one year.


http://time.com/3030545/ray-rice-suspended-nfl/

  

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46. "RE: could be problematic..."
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and you don't see how that could be problematic?

he was charged...

...not convicted

and we're using this example as the platform for this new policy

so the obvious question is, does the Ray Rice situation, if it plays out as described, and is removed after he completes a program, would that qualify for a 6 game suspesion?

what's more problematic, IMO

is possibly forcing a player to go to trial, if they are facing a lifetime ban

say a player has an initial domestic violence, etc...violation

and gets into another situation

that player is probably more inclined to go to trial and fight it

in order to get out of a lifetime ban

compared to a legal penalty of an order of protection and maybe some time in jail (but definitely not life)

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47. "RE: could be problematic..."
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The only point that I am trying to make is many people, not just WC, keep saying he was never charged. That is false. He was formally charged. When people talk about the specifics of the Ray Rice case, they need to make sure they are stating the facts.



Read #23, this style of punishment was already in place. Now people want to be all up in arms about it. It was already happening.

  

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50. "ehh, yes and no..."
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I can see the marketing angle

BUT

IF, Ray Rice is charged again for domestic violence

that same fanbase the NFL is trying to appease with this headline

is going to hold their feet to the fire

and ask for a lifetime ban

so yeah, it's still problematic.

WHERE IS THE JIM IRSAY OUTRAGE?!?

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35. "Message to players: don't get married or cohabitate."
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Women are a liability.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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61. "that should be the first thing they tell them at rookie orientation, any..."
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i kid, i kid, i actually like what bill russell used to tell the nba rookies and that is to never sleep with a woman you don't respect and know. easier said than done though.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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109. "True. Men will put up with just about anything for pussy."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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36. "whoo some of yall look like women haters...not surprising but damn"
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51. "KITCHEN"
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65. "it always surprises me how many dudes assume women are faking it"
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it's pretty rare, even when rich guys are involved.

  

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lol

  

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54. "If this was based on convictions by a court I would be with it nm."
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58. "Goodell’s PR Move Also Better Policy (swipe)"
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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/08/29/bernstein-goodells-pr-move-also-better-policy/

Goodell’s PR Move Also Better Policy
August 29, 2014 8:35 AM

By Dan Bernstein-
CBSChicago.com senior columnist

(CBS) Roger Goodell cares about women. Or he cares enough about one woman, at least.

Her name is Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), and she was one of three U.S. senators to sign a letter to Goodell expressing dismay in the wake of the two-game suspension he handed Ray Rice after the Ravens’ running back knocked his fiancée unconscious and dragged her out of a casino elevator.

Baldwin, along with Chris Murphy (D-CT) and Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), wrote that the punishment “reflects a disturbingly lenient, even cavalier attitude towards violence against women,” and noted that “21 of 32 NFL teams last year employed a player with a domestic violence or sexual assault charge on his record.”

On Thursday, Goodell broke recent character, both in responding at all to widespread public outcry and personally owning up to a major mistake in how the Rice situation was handled. In a lengthy letter to NFL teams outlining broad, still-nebulous policies on off-field violence, Goodell admitted, “I didn’t get it right.”

Better to write that in a note than be pressured into saying it in front of a congressional committee after rounds of tough questions as part of the public record. The last thing he’d want is for the discussion to veer into other territory, like the NFL’s status as a tax-exempt 501(c)6 not-for-profit corporation despite making $10 billion dollars per year or the vital anti-trust exemption they enjoy that allows for negotiation of the national television contracts that are the heart of the business.

So he’s smart to try to get out ahead of this.

Also savvy was his understanding that the media would run with the domestic violence angle despite the new rules covering any and all violent acts by any NFL employee. Per the memo, “Violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence and sexual assault that involve physical force will be subject to enhanced discipline.” Offenses against women were the lead story, but they were far from the whole of this change.

Critics point out properly that this could all be interpreted as mere grandstanding, because the commissioner already owns sweeping powers that can be applied unilaterally as he sees fit, pursuant to personal conduct rules currently on the books. But one expert explained why the upgraded punishments – a six-game suspension for a first offense and banishment for the second, with details on what constitutes an “offense” to be filled in later – are indeed significant.

“He did jump to a pretty stringent policy, if we take him at his word,” WSCR legal analyst Eldon Ham said Thursday on the Boers and Bernstein Show.

Ham is a Chicago-based lawyer, law professor and author specializing in sports-related issues. He notably took on the NFL in court in 1988, when his successful representation of Richard Dent made him the first attorney to challenge, overturn and alter NFL drug-testing policy. He believes that Goodell is strengthening his position to police the league.

“There are a lot of cases about limitations on commissioner authority,” Ham said. “The commissioner has a lot of authority, but one of the things he has to do is at least follow his own rules. You get into things like ‘arbitrary, capricious and unreasonable.’ That’s where a lot of these things go. The commissioner is dealing with that by pre-announcing the level of penalties he’s going to likely issue.”

Ham describes this as an inoculation against such counter-argument made by a punished player, with even a loosely defined set of rules, including what’s key — a stated number of games as a benchmark.

“He’s trying to provide some definition to ward off a series of complaints when he goes to implement this stuff,” Ham said. “At least the commissioner is making an effort by issuing this letter, odd as it may seem. It’s telegraphing to the players what they can expect.”

So while Goodell is making a clear public relations move with this very public display of renewed commitment, working to clean up the image of his league and dodge pressure from curious lawmakers, he also made some degree of tangible, meaningful progress. Due to the apparent rush to strengthen the NFL’s stance against domestic violence after the Rice fiasco, there are now tougher penalties for all kinds of off-field incidents that are more likely to be enforced even after appeals or legal challenges. That’s good, despite the obvious theater of Goodell’s mea culpa and all the self-congratulatory subtext.

The NFL’s real concern for women still extends primarily to any dollars that they may spend to consume their product, but even that motivation can still result in better plans.

  

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59. "CORRECTION: 2nd Offense = At least 1 Year Ban "
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Stop reporting false news CherNic, smh.

  

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60. "49ers Ray McDonald arrested on domestic violence charges"
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62. "The sad part is that an arrest doesn't equal guilt. "
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But people will deem you guilty jus because of an arrest.


I hope the NFL get's this right so that players are not taken advantage of by people who would use its punishment as a source for treating a players status.


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63. "hopefully Ray McDonald isn't being victimized again. and again."
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64. "maybe the woman AND the baby provoked him"
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67. "Ray McDonald specifically aside, Case is right, I could see this getting..."
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out of hand.

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70. "in your opinion it always was out of hand"
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it's important to note that in your opinion, what's out of hand isn't repeated instances of domestic violence, it's repeated reports of domestic violence.

just like you don't like reports of rape.


weird, how whenever and wherever men are violent against women, you're there to stand up for the possibility that the real problem is women.

consider that about yourself.



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78. "Oh so you're making stuff up again today?"
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change your pad.

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79. "bruh. we're all here. that's who you are."
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if you want to be someone else the door is open, but that's who you are.

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76. "by 'out of hand', do you mean.... "
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women might actually stop under-reporting it?

  

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77. ""domestic violence" is a very broad term and can mean anything from..."
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something very extreme like a man OR woman physically beating someone or even killing them to someone physically restraining or pushing someone away that is trying to assault them.

To paint all that with the same brush and put in under the "domestic violence" umbrella and have someone "banned for life" for some of the lesser stuff is crazy.

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80. "If you think someone is trying to abuse the law..."
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... you do what people should do when they see police abusing the law: videotape it. Basically everyone has a video camera at all times nowadays. If a woman is ACTUALLY trying to extort a man by pushing him, calling him names, punching him, and whatever to try to get him to retaliate... that man can pick up his phone and bust her in the act.

"Unfortunately" for football players, if a woman truly is trying to goad a physical response out of you in order to extort you, then you are the one who needs to take simple proper steps. Such as:
1. Leave the situation.
2. Document the situation with photos and/or video and/or audio recording. Get evidence on the books.
3. If she's pushing you and hitting you, report HER for domestic violence (isn't that what Deion did? Was it Deion? Some prominent football player did this, if I recall).

Here are the things you, as a physically superior human bigger and taller and faster than your assailant, should avoid doing:
1. Retaliating.
2. See #1.

This is usually where someone replies with "but a MAN isn't gonna let that shit go unchecked, a MAN is too proud to let a woman shove him and etc." If a MAN wants to check that shit, a MAN doesn't deserve a check. Simple as that. Is your pride worth more than your job?

Everyone can understand the impulse of *wanting* to hit another human being at some point or another. Everyone should also be able to understand that it's really not that hard to walk away and calm the fuck down. Unless you have anger issues. In which case, well, that's what this rule is for. Be honest with yourself if you have anger issues and get some counseling BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING AWFUL.

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86. "you sound like people saying police should shoot people in the leg..."
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its easy to sit back and armchair quarterback a situation that you've never been in.

I don't advocate hitting women, I've never hit a woman and I don't cop pleas for those who do.

Having said that there ARE some crazy women out there and you may have never dated one and if so I feel sorry for you because that means you've probably never had some really good pussy. When some of these crazy women get upset they can get physical and all you're trying to do is protect yourself and at the moment you may not have your phone handy to record her. Believe it or not there are actually women that try to provoke men to hit them in a moment of anger. And you're right the correct thing to do is to remove yourself from the situation but in order to do that you make have to physically move that other person out the way.

And for the record its not always a male-female situation either...
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/brittney-griner-glory-johnson-wnba
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/01/28/kwame-harris-underwear-soy-sauce-49ers-raiders-assault-dimitri-geier/1871809/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2014/06/21/hope-solo-arrested-on-domestic-violence-probe/11207907/

should they be "banned for life" too?

Then there's this...:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence

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87. "LOL @ I don't cop pleas for those who do"
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as you cop pleas, try to redirect the conversation and confuse the issue.

When women say men have been violent towards them, you show up and explain why women are really the problem.

it's your thing.

it shouldn't be your thing.

you should work on that. take a deep look inside, see why you're that guy.

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89. "RE: LOL @ I don't cop pleas for those who do"
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>as you cop pleas, try to redirect the conversation and
>confuse the issue.

The original conversation is a about a lifetime ban from the NFL for a 2nd offense. You're the one trying to make it about something else.

>When women say men have been violent towards them, you show up
>and explain why women are really the problem.

If you actually READ my last post I clearly state and provide examples were DV is not always men abusing women.


>it's your thing.
>
>it shouldn't be your thing.
>
>you should work on that. take a deep look inside, see why
>you're that guy.

Its your thing to be a troll and a tough guy behind a keyboard when everybody knows you're a buck 'o 5 nerd ass messageboard moderator with a Napoleon complex.

I'm perfectly good with who I am.

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95. "I know you like who you are."
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you're the guy who attacks victims of rape and domestic violence.

don't be that guy

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96. "its funny that you are kind of making his point with this"
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>>When women say men have been violent towards them, you show
>up
>>and explain why women are really the problem.
>
>If you actually READ my last post I clearly state and provide
>examples were DV is not always men abusing women.


and don't even see it.

  

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you can't let little shit throw you off your WHAT ABOUT SHIT THAT'S ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED AT APPROPRIATE TIMES WHICH THIS IS NOT train

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98. "I guess you can't read either."
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104. "I can read, that's how I know you're making his point"
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Rjcc point being you put things on woman about DV.
You respond by showing examples of woman being the abusers, which is again putting the issues on women. There's better ways of doing whatever you were trying to do, but your examples aren't it

  

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112. "RE: I can read, that's how I know you're making his point"
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>Rjcc point being you put things on woman about DV.
>You respond by showing examples of woman being the abusers,
>which is again putting the issues on women. There's better
>ways of doing whatever you were trying to do, but your
>examples aren't it

What about in the Kwame Harris incident? who was the woman there?

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88. "First of all, your subject line is incomprehensible."
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I don't even know what you were trying to say.

If you were comparing a man's urge to hit a woman when she's goading him to comparing a policeman shooting the leg of a criminal who refuses to comply? I'm not even going to dignify that laughable analogy with a response.

>its easy to sit back and armchair quarterback a situation
>that you've never been in.

I have been with crazy women before. Long term relationships, too. Glad to be done with them. I've had women try to get me to hit them as well. It wasn't terribly hard to avoid. I walked away, used the back exit, got to my car, drove off. Why do you think it's so easy for me to argue this point? I've been there. If you don't have anger issues, it's pretty easy to respond with flight instead of fight.

>I don't advocate hitting women, I've never hit a woman and I
>don't cop pleas for those who do.
>
>Having said that

You *do* see how funny following the above with "having said that" is, right?

there ARE some crazy women out there and you
>may have never dated one and if so I feel sorry for you
>because that means you've probably never had some really good
>pussy.

lol, good grief. Let's resort to the old "your opinions exist because you can't get laid properly" argument. That's a tried and true internet trope carted out consistently by those who lack a better argument to make.

When some of these crazy women get upset they can get
>physical and all you're trying to do is protect yourself and
>at the moment you may not have your phone handy to record her.

Never known an athlete who ever didn't have his phone on his person, but let's assume for the sake of argument this is one of those rare instances. The woman is trying to get him to assault her in a swimming pool or in a locker room shower or perhaps while scuba diving.

>Believe it or not there are actually women that try to provoke
>men to hit them in a moment of anger. And you're right the
>correct thing to do is to remove yourself from the situation
>but in order to do that you make have to physically move that
>other person out the way.

If you are a defensive lineman in the NFL and you can't remove yourself safely from a situation without putting hands on a woman, then you aren't trying hard enough.

"The man had no other choice!" argument is bullshit for a hundred obvious reasons. If you're trying to advocate for the .00000000000000000000000001% of male-on-female DV charges that occur when a man in backed into an alley in a deserted town where no one can hear and he doesn't have a phone and a 215-lb woman forces him to lay hands on her to move her out of the way and he does so incredibly gently but she resists and he inadvertently gives her a bruise in the process? Then I posit that individual doesn't need advocacy nearly as much as the women in 99.99999999999999999% of male-on-female DV charges.

>And for the record its not always a male-female situation
>either...
>http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/05/brittney-griner-glory-johnson-wnba
>http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/01/28/kwame-harris-underwear-soy-sauce-49ers-raiders-assault-dimitri-geier/1871809/
>http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2014/06/21/hope-solo-arrested-on-domestic-violence-probe/11207907/
>
>should they be "banned for life" too?

If their sport had a clear policy in place before the incidents occurred, absolutely they should, yes. It's not too complicated. Major corporations such as major sports organizations have an image to uphold. If they told you that violating that image in a specific way results in you being gone, and you violate that image in that specific way? Ya gone.

>Then there's this...:
>http://www.theguardian.com/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence

I covered that in my reply. If an NFL player is abused by his wife/mistress/girlfriend/whoever, he can report it to the authorities. Again, athletes *have* done this before. It shouldn't be tolerated regardless of who's doing it, male or female. Not too complicated.

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91. "fixed it for ya..."
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>Never known an athlete who ever didn't have his phone on his
>person, but let's assume for the sake of argument this is one
>of those rare instances. The woman is trying to get him to
>assault her in a swimming pool or in a locker room shower or
>perhaps while scuba diving.

When you're at home do you have your cell phone in your hands at all times? lol


>If you are a defensive lineman in the NFL and you can't remove
>yourself safely from a situation without putting hands on a
>woman, then you aren't trying hard enough.
>
>"The man had no other choice!" argument is bullshit for a
>hundred obvious reasons. If you're trying to advocate for the
>.00000000000000000000000001% of male-on-female DV charges that
>occur when a man in backed into an alley in a deserted town
>where no one can hear and he doesn't have a phone and a 215-lb
>woman forces him to lay hands on her to move her out of the
>way and he does so incredibly gently but she resists and he
>inadvertently gives her a bruise in the process? Then I posit
>that individual doesn't need advocacy nearly as much as the
>women in 99.99999999999999999% of male-on-female DV charges.

Your making it way more complicated than it is. A man could brush by a woman walking out the door. If she calls the cops and say he "pushed her" he might be arrested. 15 minutes later after she calms down and realizes whats going on and want to recant and not file charges or the judge may throw it out but in the NFL if that's a 2nd offense its a lifetime ban regardless of a conviction or not. That's the only thing I'm concerned about.



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92. "Maybe instead of worrying about this..."
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>Your making it way more complicated than it is. A man could
>brush by a woman walking out the door. If she calls the cops
>and say he "pushed her" he might be arrested. 15 minutes later
>after she calms down and realizes whats going on and want to
>recant and not file charges or the judge may throw it out but
>in the NFL if that's a 2nd offense its a lifetime ban
>regardless of a conviction or not. That's the only thing I'm
>concerned about.

... you should worry about why the guy in this scenario had a first offense in the first place.

If it was "one strike and you're banned for life," then *maybe* I'd hear what you're trying to say. But it's not. It's two. It's a "where there's smoke, there's fire" scenario.

If you get caught beating on a woman once, and then you put yourself in any sort of risky scenario in the future to catch an additional DV charge, I have very little sympathy for you.

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94. "RE: Maybe instead of worrying about this..."
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>
>... you should worry about why the guy in this scenario had a
>first offense in the first place.
>
>If it was "one strike and you're banned for life," then
>*maybe* I'd hear what you're trying to say. But it's not. It's
>two. It's a "where there's smoke, there's fire" scenario.
>
>If you get caught beating on a woman once, and then you put
>yourself in any sort of risky scenario in the future to catch
>an additional DV charge, I have very little sympathy for you.

What if you've never beat on a woman? What if you just had a loud argument and the cops were called because you're a pro athlete? I'm not defending domestic abusers I'm defending due process.

Goodell and NFL under-reacted in its initial response to the Ray Rice situation and has been trying to save face by over-correcting ever since.

If someone has two domestic violence CONVICTIONS, I agree they should punished harshly but the blanket, across the board "lifetime ban" base solely on charges regardless of the outcome of the case or the particulars of the incident is what I don't like.

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99. "In the Ray Rice case, she dropped the case again him.."
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so if he goes Ivan Drago on her again and she again drops the case, then what? Because he wasn't found guilty in a court of law he shouldn't be banned? Is that what you're saying?

  

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100. "I'm saying DV is a broad topic that covers a broad range of things and....."
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and punish everything equally before an investigation is even completed is silly.

The NFL is not that concerned about women they are concerned about saving face and pretending that they are when at first it was obvious that they didn't and Goodell got caught in a lie about seeing the video tape and it has all been PR and damage control ever since.

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101. "and everyone else is saying STFU"
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maybe addressing repeated incidents of domestic violence is actually the more important thing here than your WOMEN HIT TOO crusade

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102. "and I'm not even talking to your dumbass..."
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>maybe addressing repeated incidents of domestic violence is
>actually the more important thing here than your WOMEN HIT TOO
>crusade

what woman was abused in the Kwame Harris case?

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103. "despite a preponderance of evidence to the contrary"
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I believe that you can be a not-asshole if you really tried. I hope you do.

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105. "Unfortunately I can't say the same about you."
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106. "I'm ok with you not being a fan of me"
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not being a fan of your get-tough-on-rape-and-domestic-violence-accusers policies

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72. "clearly it's his fiance's devious plan to take all of his money"
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as a first step, she makes him entirely unemployable and destroys his chances of continuing his NFL career.

then, with all the millions he's not making, she....something?

'tis truly wicked.

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73. "She wouldn't do it for the money, Rj."
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She'd do it because she CAN. And, you know, because of her period or something.

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75. "well obviously"
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71. "Hookers everywhere rejoice"
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110. "Gold-diggers too."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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81. "should be the same for cheating. "
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This one really made me chuckle though. Thank you.

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85. "you can almost hear the balls deflating."
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90. "ok. that made me laugh"
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107. "maybe 2nd offense = lifetime ban is a bit harsh"
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BUT IF YOU GET A SECOND OFFENSE IN TWO FUCKING DAYS YOU GOTTA GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE

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108. "what a dumb motherfucker."
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>BUT IF YOU GET A SECOND OFFENSE IN TWO FUCKING DAYS YOU GOTTA
>GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE
>
>http://twitter.com/katienelson210/statuses/603727266330316802
>
>BREAKING: Ray McDonald arrested at 3:35 p.m. for violating
>restraining order, per @SantaClaraPD @mercnews
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111. "this dude got arrested on Wednesday..."
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for violating a restraining order filed on MONDAY!!!!!! WTF!!!!!

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113. "#AYDMF"
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