This gonna work a little bit different than normal. I assume that there are no IPOs here. Y'll need to work out how much stock the majority owners are willing to sell.
This is just, are you looking around and listening to these pundits talking bad about some dudes and saying to yourself, "damn, that's harsh, I think this dude is going to be ok?" I am, and it's time for all of us to get on record.
Also, keep guys who are universally hailed as okay but you think are better out of my thread. for example, lots of eagles fans think nick foles is better than experts give him credit for. that's fine, but the experts at least all agree that he's not sorry. this is just a post for dudes considered sorry that you think aren't and are willing to go to bat.
Examples in my first two replies
---- bshelly
"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God
Dudes making it out like he was awful last year. He might have been inconsistent, but I personally watched some games where he put up yards and made plays. I think, in his second year, he becomes a very serviceable, average QB, with the potential to get even better in the years to come.
---- bshelly
"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God
35. "I don't need to buy Geno stock, as I already have a sizable share" In response to Reply # 1
the biggest thing is going to be if he learns from his mistakes.
his rookie year reminded me a lot of Sanchez. Showed promise, got carried by the defense. Had some moments that made you think "holy shit, the Jets FINALLY have a good young quarterback!" Had some other moments that made you think "how did this guy make an NFL roster?"
With Sanchez, he was still making the same rookie mistakes in years 2-4 that he made in year 1. He never learned or adjusted, and as teams did more to plan to get him to make those rookie mistakes, the great plays became fewer and farther between.
If Geno can learn from his mistakes, he'll be okay. We don't need him to be Tom Brady.
*Jews you*
"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus
>Dudes making it out like he was awful last year. He might >have been inconsistent, but I personally watched some games >where he put up yards and made plays. I think, in his second >year, he becomes a very serviceable, average QB, with the >potential to get even better in the years to come.
85. "Sanchez is free now, why the hate still?" In response to Reply # 68 Tue Aug-26-14 11:12 AM by Starks dunked on Bul
>>Dudes making it out like he was awful last year. He might >>have been inconsistent, but I personally watched some games >>where he put up yards and made plays. I think, in his >second >>year, he becomes a very serviceable, average QB, with the >>potential to get even better in the years to come. >
Again, I watched this dude be not sorry at least a couple times in his rookie season, and I hear talk like he's already a bust from places like Football Outsiders. If EJ stays healthy, I think he makes good progress this year. I think he still has a bit more to learn than Geno, so he might only be like a top 20 QB, but he's not going to be sorry, and he's got more upside to grow into over the next few years than Geno.
---- bshelly
"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God
I like the Jets, but there were numerous elements of that offense that were problematic when he was there.
either his work effort has gone back up after the humiliation of buttfumbling or that truly was a toxic situation but I think he is going to have an OK second act. even if he holds a clipboard for most of it.
58. "I'm buying as long as he's in Eagles green..." In response to Reply # 6
Him in this offense he'll be just fine. I held out on the bashing knowing full well he ain't have shit to work with in NY. Right now he's showing that there's only one USC QB on our roster who accepts...
69. "I'm still holding a bit of stock, Jets nearly ruined him. But under Chip..." In response to Reply # 6
his shoulder looking healthy, the bad juju/pressure off, in a situation with a great running game/o-line/tight-ends and a great scheme predicated on getting the ball out quickly run at two-minute pace?
That's all in Sancito's wheelhouse.
Foles could go down for the year and it wouldn't mean more than a one-win difference for the Eagles.
12. "actually, this is a good choice" In response to Reply # 10
>All it's gonna take is one knock to EJ Manuel, then we'll get >to see King THAD chuck it to Sammy several times a game.
I still think the Browns should have kept him on the roster. He only played like 2 games but he was a better option than anyone else. (Might have been pre-Hoyer)
15. "it's okay. i''ll just do my hostile takeover thing." In response to Reply # 14
Basa's Hostile Takeover Thing:
step 1: Cyse player so hard that you become the poster most associated with that player's performances in the minds of other posters. The Pledge.
step 2: Accept all the frying when the player's stock drops, thus giving you an incredible amount of leverage in future discussions of the player. The Turn.
step 3: Reap the rewards when the player finally realizes his potential and becomes a star (or a valuable contributor to a good team). The Prestige.
41. "Like I said above, he's IBM" In response to Reply # 30
He's not flashy, he's a bit of a relic, and Russell (Apple) and Kaep (Twitter) might be better stocks to invest in for now, but IBM is rock-solid steady.
88. "Just trying to beat inflation, I see" In response to Reply # 39
Henne is actually quite consistent...I don't see him doing better or worse than he ever has. Has any QB in history had so many 2 TD, 2 INT games? I haven't seen the numbers, but I doubt it.
___________________________________ "WASP of the year: even if he isn�t a WASP, Oakley. Sailing? Check. In a yacht club? Check. Used the term �summer� as a verb instead of a noun? You betcha!" -thejerseytornado
>This gonna work a little bit different than normal. I assume >that there are no IPOs here. Y'll need to work out how much >stock the majority owners are willing to sell. > >This is just, are you looking around and listening to these >pundits talking bad about some dudes and saying to yourself, >"damn, that's harsh, I think this dude is going to be ok?" I >am, and it's time for all of us to get on record. > >Also, keep guys who are universally hailed as okay but you >think are better out of my thread. for example, lots of >eagles fans think nick foles is better than experts give him >credit for. that's fine, but the experts at least all agree >that he's not sorry. this is just a post for dudes considered >sorry that you think aren't and are willing to go to bat. > >Examples in my first two replies
74. "run blocking is still bad, but pass protection is better" In response to Reply # 67
Juwan James has been strong, as has Albert. The inside is shakier especially with Pouncey out for a few weeks, but overall it's still an improvement over last year.
>not sure the offensive line will be all that better, though. >
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56. "I'd like to echo Magilla and Ra's statements on ELI" In response to Reply # 0
I'd also like to pour any remaining funds i have into the Cam, Russell and Aaron Murray stock options.
Aaron Murray is too white and too much of a bro for some head coach to not give him a season/season and a half as QB#1 before putting him out to pasture in clipboard heaven.
63. "I'm still holding on to my Stafford shares. I don't think he's a good" In response to Reply # 62
QB but with the weapons he has around him he's gonna put up some YARDS! (c) and fill up the stat sheet - that type of stuff may not get us wins but it makes agenda comparisons with other QBs easier.
65. "I dunno. Sounds like you want Calvin/Bush/Bell/Tate/Ebron stock." In response to Reply # 63 Mon Aug-25-14 01:32 PM by Jayson Willyams
Those are over in aisle 6. I don't think I can share this potentially explosive mad-making opportunity with someone whose opening line is "I don't think he's a good QB."
66. "Im still happy Stafford is the Lions qb" In response to Reply # 62
The problem was that without Calvin, there was no one outside to make plays. When the Lions went to the playoffs, Burleson had 73 catches. Titus Young was also good in the slot that year.
Kris Durham wasnt ever going to replicate that, and Broyles hadnt been healthy enough to replace Young. Durham, Kevin Ogletree, and Jeremy Ross are not an NFL group of receivers, and the Lions arent built to win games 17-14.
So i still have all my Stafford stock. The comebacks/GW drives keeps me optimistic.
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