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"James Harden, Defensive Juggernaut"


  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVYJULACcao

is he the laziest defender in the history of the game?

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loooool, he makes Copeland look like Scottie Pippen
Apr 18th 2014
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The All-Defensive Juggernaut 1st Team
Apr 18th 2014
2
no shawn bradley for irony?
Apr 18th 2014
4
Folks can say what they want but Bradley was an elite swat machine
Apr 18th 2014
20
RE: The All-Defensive Juggernaut 1st Team
Apr 18th 2014
5
meh, betting better than a small/old lineup without him
Apr 18th 2014
13
RE: The All-Defensive Juggernaut 1st Team
Apr 18th 2014
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Needs more Melo
Apr 18th 2014
16
      you crazy
Apr 18th 2014
17
I never knew he was this bad
Apr 18th 2014
3
Once you factor in the way he gets his points (charging to get FT's)
Apr 18th 2014
6
dumb
Apr 19th 2014
24
He was a decent defender at OKC but once he got paid, he quit trying
Apr 18th 2014
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      Harden isnt bad at that either
Apr 19th 2014
28
      harden gambles (and wins) too, he gets a good number of steals
Sep 16th 2014
33
The weak, flailing "attempt" at steals makes it worse
Apr 18th 2014
7
A lot of it is just effort and ball watching
Apr 18th 2014
10
      I almost put that
Apr 18th 2014
11
He plays D kinda like Tony Parker (UCLA)
Apr 18th 2014
8
hahaha... fuckin terrible...
Apr 18th 2014
9
how does KM allow him to do this shit?
Apr 18th 2014
12
because he's been unguardable since february
Apr 18th 2014
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I like the "my bad" finger point.
Apr 18th 2014
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That's the first thing I noticed
Apr 18th 2014
21
Dude Was Doing That on EVERY Play...LOL
Apr 19th 2014
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McHale HAS to be ignoring this in film sessions
Apr 19th 2014
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lofl. I couldnt take it anymore after 4min
Apr 19th 2014
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listening to sports radio in Houston today....
Apr 19th 2014
26
Houston Sports radio is the worst for rockets talk
Apr 19th 2014
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http://i4.minus.com/i5ofV5pEGelQg.jpg
Sep 15th 2014
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This one is better:
Sep 15th 2014
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LOL
Sep 15th 2014
31
They were running zone but it's no fun that way lol
Sep 15th 2014
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Cmon Son!
Nov 25th 2014
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Harden gets defensive in Footlocker commercial
Nov 25th 2014
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Starks dunked on Bulls
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1. "loooool, he makes Copeland look like Scottie Pippen"
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2. "The All-Defensive Juggernaut 1st Team"
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Nash
Harden
Dirk
D-Lee
Love

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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4. "no shawn bradley for irony?"
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FILF
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20. "Folks can say what they want but Bradley was an elite swat machine "
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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5. "RE: The All-Defensive Juggernaut 1st Team"
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http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4698949/believe-it-or-not-dirk-plays-good-d

Believe it or not, Dirk plays good D
By Tim MacMahon | ESPNDallas.com

Here’s a little secret about Dirk Nowitzki: He’s pretty proud of the defender that he’s developed into.

Nowitzki has made countless self-deprecating comments about his defense over the course of his career, but the truth is he’s a heck of a lot better on that end of the floor than his reputation.

“I like to think that I’m a decent team defender,” Nowitzki said.

The numbers indicate he’s being modest.

The Mavs are a much better defensive team with Nowitzki in the lineup. His defensive rating (points per 100 possessions) of 101.8 this season is the second lowest on the roster among players who average at least 15 minutes per game, well below the Mavs’ overall rating of 104.4. Dallas’ defensive rating soars to 109.2 when Nowitzki is on the bench.

Not a big enough sample size? Nowitzki had Dallas’ best defensive rating (100.2) during the 2010-11 title season and has been at least a point below the team average in four of the last five years, with last season the exception with him coming off of knee surgery.

“Over the last few years, he’s been one of the most influential plus-minus guys,” coach Rick Carlisle said. “People always assume it’s because of his offense, but it’s because of defense as well.”


Nowitzki has never had the athletic gifts required to be a defensive stopper, and he admits that he’s even a little slower at the age of 35. But he’s still 7 feet tall, has a masterful knowledge of the Mavs’ defensive schemes and prepares diligently for opponents.

“I was never the quickest, fastest,” Nowitzki said. “Lateral movement is not the best. I like to think that I’m smart, that I use my brain on defense.

“I like to think that I can play some tendencies. I just read my scouting report. If I know that a guy likes to go 80 percent right, then I try to play that. If he does score on me going left a couple of times, then I’ll live with the percentages. I just try to be a smart defender and help the best that I can.”

The numbers actually indicate that Nowitzki has been a very good individual defender this season.

According to Synergy Sports, Nowitzki has allowed 0.81 points per possession when his man attempts to score, ranking 92nd in the NBA in that category. Opponents are shooting only 38 percent against him. And those numbers dipped significantly after a rough outing in Saturday’s loss to the Phoenix Suns on the tail end of a back-to-back.

Synergy’s analytics ranks Nowitzki as the NBA’s sixth most successful defender on post-ups (0.53 points per possession, 33.3 field goal percentage) and four most successful isolation defender (0.44, 20.8). Granted, Nowitzki usually defends the lesser scoring threat of the opponent’s center and power forward, but those numbers are still impressive nonetheless.

“I like to think that I can hold my ground a little better now than when I first got in the league,” Nowitzki said. “When I first got in the league, I wasn’t strong enough in my upper body to hold my ground. But I feel like I can hold my ground better and stand in there and obviously use my length. I don’t need to jump for shots. I’m not going to block a lot of shots on the ball anyway, so I try to use my length. Sometimes if they present the ball to me, I try to swipe it and get some deflections.

“It is what it is.”

It's a lot better than you thought, right?

Nowitzki’s defense has been a punchline since he broke into the league. How many Irk jokes -- no D -- have you heard? That perception hasn’t been reality for several years.

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13. "meh, betting better than a small/old lineup without him"
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overstates his effect when in the game. cause when he's off the court it's a shift that leads to a slightly undersized 37 year old at sf and a very undersized 35 year old at pf.

but he gets credit for being big and crafty and trying i guess.

  

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18. "RE: The All-Defensive Juggernaut 1st Team"
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>The Mavs are a much better defensive team with Nowitzki in the
>lineup.
That means nothing w/o point out who replaced him & who he played along side with during those periods. His back-up Blair for example is an undersized PF who has no clue how to play defense.

>According to Synergy Sports, Nowitzki has allowed 0.81 points
>per possession when his man attempts to score, ranking 92nd in
>the NBA in that category. Opponents are shooting only 38
>percent against him. And those numbers dipped significantly
>after a rough outing in Saturday’s loss to the Phoenix Suns on
>the tail end of a back-to-back.
Synergy numbers are empty stats b/c he usually checks the offensively challenged big...For example, he's going to check Splitter as opposed to Timmy....who are night & day when it come to offense. The reason he got burnt by the Suns was b/c they had Frye/Markiff playing together both of whom are offensive minded bigs.

>Granted, Nowitzki usually defends the
>lesser scoring threat of the opponent’s center and power
>forward, but those numbers are still impressive nonetheless.
Oh okay they just reiterated what I said above.

> “When I first got in the league, I wasn’t strong enough in my upper
>body to hold my ground. But I feel like I can hold my ground
>better and stand in there and obviously use my length.

His length is basically his best asset....he usually puts his hand-up & hopes they miss. But on the perimeter it's comical seeing him trying to deter drives by hedging b/c his lateral speed is woeful. Nash also has terrible lateral speed but he has a knack for drawing charges. I guess unlike Harden (who was actually a decent defender at OKC) & Lee (who gets caught napping too often) Nash/Dirk somewhat try but they are still terrible defenders. Love on the other hand has average arms & lacks lateral speed but has a the body/strength to play positional D...but seems more interested in chasing rebound while Pek does the dirty work.

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16. "Needs more Melo"
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17. "you crazy"
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3. "I never knew he was this bad"
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6. "Once you factor in the way he gets his points (charging to get FT's)"
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his game looks straight hoeish and weak.

  

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24. "dumb"
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19. "He was a decent defender at OKC but once he got paid, he quit trying"
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He's basically the new Gilbert Arenas but at least Agent Zero used to be pretty good at reading plays & jumping into the passing lanes for steals ala AI.

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28. "Harden isnt bad at that either"
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>He's basically the new Gilbert Arenas but at least Agent Zero
>used to be pretty good at reading plays & jumping into the
>passing lanes for steals ala AI.


He averaged 1.5 streals a game which puts him top 20.


had some 5 or 6 steal games, but if anything that just gets him to be more lazy.

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33. "harden gambles (and wins) too, he gets a good number of steals"
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not really a huge point in his favor, i'm just saying steals that other poor defenders got dont really separate them from him

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7. "The weak, flailing "attempt" at steals makes it worse"
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A guy gets half a step on him and then he decides just to swing his arm a bit to pretend like he's going for a steal.

Theres bad and then there's embarrassing and this is most certainly the latter.

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10. "A lot of it is just effort and ball watching"
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he really needs a coach that will hold him accountable and sit his ass if he makes the same mistake over and over.

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11. "I almost put that"
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Haven't watched enough to know if McHale lets it slide but his laissez-faire style of coaching might not be the best for Harden on that end of the floor.

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8. "He plays D kinda like Tony Parker (UCLA)"
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9. "hahaha... fuckin terrible..."
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12. "how does KM allow him to do this shit?"
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Like, really? Is it over the coach's head?

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14. "because he's been unguardable since february"
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27.9/5.3a/.477/.423/.904 Feb
26.9/6.8a/.500/.431/.850 Mar
27.6/8.7a/.412/.368/.905 Apr

27.7/7.4a/.471/.419/.875 post all-star

he's become a serviceable post defender, crappy on ball, abysmal off it, but he did some things second half where it's like..its the cost of doing business. its not like we can afford to take him out.

  

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15. "I like the "my bad" finger point."
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I'm sure the rest of the team is like, "No shit!"

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21. "That's the first thing I noticed "
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He acts like doing that makes it ok lol

  

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25. "Dude Was Doing That on EVERY Play...LOL"
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I can only imagine him on the Bulls...Thibs would've suspended him by now

  

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22. "McHale HAS to be ignoring this in film sessions"
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there's no way he's calling Harden out because this sh*t is embarrassing


what's dumb is he doesn't give effort when he's the weakside defender,
but when the ball swings to his side he'll do TOO MUCH which leads
to him being out of position and his man just running right by him

  

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23. "lofl. I couldnt take it anymore after 4min"
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Its awful. I never knew it was that bad.

  

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26. "listening to sports radio in Houston today...."
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the hosts said they wanna see Harden guard lillard some in round 1.

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27. "Houston Sports radio is the worst for rockets talk"
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But Lillard's known as a pretty bad defender too maybe they assume they cancel each other out

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29. "http://i4.minus.com/i5ofV5pEGelQg.jpg"
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30. "This one is better:"
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31. "LOL"
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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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32. "They were running zone but it's no fun that way lol "
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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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34. "Cmon Son!"
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35. "Harden gets defensive in Footlocker commercial"
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The Changeling Season 1 (Apple+): C
OMITB Season 3 (Hulu): B-
Ahsoka Season 1 (Disney

  

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