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Cenario
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"Eventual Woody getting fired post"


  

          

I really just wanted to post this stat quote that essentially absolved woody of any blame from this season...but we can make this woody fired post as well.

“I think next year we got to take more of a mind-set of trying to master the game,” Stoudemire said on Wednesday. “I mean, again, certain strategies were placed upon us with Coach Woodson. There were times when we didn’t quite buy into it and as a result of that, we lost games.

“So, going forward into next year, whatever the strategy is, we got to buy into it from the beginning, we got to work on mastering that strategy whether it is offensively or defensively.”


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/woody-watch-knicks-beat-raptors-final-game-article-1.1759238#ixzz2z9KeLqIY

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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somebody said yall getting thibs.
Apr 17th 2014
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don't tease me like that.
Apr 17th 2014
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No way thibs leaves the bulls
Apr 17th 2014
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Woody did a fine job.
Apr 17th 2014
3
yeah, he's an ok coach
Apr 17th 2014
6
http://i.minus.com/iHoAFy37UTDFz.gif
Apr 18th 2014
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people taking this as Amare throwing shad at Woodson, but...
Apr 17th 2014
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pretty much.
Apr 17th 2014
5
that ain't on the players, that's on management
Apr 17th 2014
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      players still got to buy into whatever system the coach sets
Apr 17th 2014
8
           The roster is legitimately Carmelo + 8th/9th men on good teams
Apr 17th 2014
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Sounds Like STAT Wants Him To Stay
Apr 17th 2014
10
Eh, i don't think stat wants him to stay personally
Apr 17th 2014
13
      I Don't Know
Apr 17th 2014
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So besides Woody, who do we keep on the roster?
Apr 17th 2014
11
Keep The Only Guys That Gave a Damn the Whole Year
Apr 17th 2014
12
Keep
Apr 17th 2014
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      I'm More Pissed at Shump Than JR
Apr 17th 2014
15
I'm not so sure Woody will get fired
Apr 17th 2014
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there is literally no chance he doesn't get fired
Apr 19th 2014
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      pretty much
Apr 19th 2014
38
Knicks hire Clarence Gaines Jr.
Apr 17th 2014
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how does that scenario play out to the advantage of the NYK?
Apr 17th 2014
18
Phil can't build an immediate chip contender. They won't get that better
Apr 17th 2014
19
Damn, Lupica spitting the truth
Apr 18th 2014
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GATDAYUM!
Apr 18th 2014
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      yo, i haven't met 1 person that likes lupica lol
Apr 18th 2014
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How does this absolve Woody? Oh boy!
Apr 18th 2014
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lol what?
Apr 18th 2014
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At least make a point, man!
Apr 18th 2014
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      Chandler didn't play early on and we lost games dude
Apr 18th 2014
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      Come On Man
Apr 18th 2014
31
LOL -- Woody did a masterful coaching job last season
Apr 18th 2014
30
Knick fans, simple question, do you want Woodson back for 1 more
Apr 18th 2014
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Only if we can get Jeff or Stu Van Gundy.
Apr 18th 2014
33
JVG isn't touching the mess that is the Knicks & Stan can't deal w/stars
Apr 19th 2014
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I want better players with Stat, Melo, Tyson, JR and Lil Tim...
Apr 18th 2014
34
So thats a No right?
Apr 18th 2014
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he needs more than a year...he can't be lame duck status again.
Apr 18th 2014
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      Whoopi Goldberg has a better shot at the gig than Woodson does
Apr 19th 2014
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           I dont see Kerr being a NY media type of guy
Apr 19th 2014
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           Kerr is already a media guy, not sure what he couldn't handle
Apr 19th 2014
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           I agree wit you, I'm just saying while I like woody, bringing him back
Apr 19th 2014
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Officially gone as per multiple NY beat writers on twitter.
Apr 21st 2014
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if he wants one, he'll have a job next season.
Apr 21st 2014
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Are you referring to the NCAA job he was
Apr 21st 2014
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      that or another nba gig
Apr 21st 2014
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           RE: that or another nba gig
Apr 21st 2014
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                ACTUALLY
Apr 21st 2014
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                     That was almost as fast as the Woodson firing.
Apr 21st 2014
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RE: Officially gone as per multiple NY beat writers on twitter.
Apr 21st 2014
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I'm With You On This
Apr 21st 2014
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      lol i started to post the same thing about the gs series
Apr 21st 2014
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           Said it in the GS/Clips post, but I doubt Jackson gets fired
Apr 21st 2014
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good for the knicks. i'm interested in seeing what kerr can do if thats
Apr 21st 2014
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damn whole staff gone...we couldn't keep herb?
Apr 21st 2014
48
Phil Must've Had 90's Flashbacks
Apr 21st 2014
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I never thought I'd see the day Herb wasn't an asst. coach
Apr 21st 2014
55
Monday after Easter to boot.
Apr 21st 2014
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they trying to purge the inner culture of the Knicks
Apr 21st 2014
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shrug. eh.
Apr 21st 2014
51
Do you really want Steve Kerr as your coach?
Apr 21st 2014
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GM, sure.
Apr 21st 2014
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RE: GM, sure.
Apr 21st 2014
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      name plausible alternatives.
Apr 21st 2014
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           this is where i'm at.
Apr 21st 2014
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           ALternatives to what? Coaches or Triangle coaches?
Apr 21st 2014
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           RE: name plausible alternatives.
Apr 21st 2014
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           name assistants with resumes you'd like the coach the knicks
Apr 21st 2014
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                Muthafucka i just got my dickwashed by some broad i guess
Apr 21st 2014
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                     1. k
Apr 21st 2014
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           hollins? SVG?
Apr 21st 2014
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                after how shit went with jvg, dunno is svg comes here
Apr 21st 2014
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                     how things happened with jvg has no effect on svg
Apr 23rd 2014
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NO.
Apr 21st 2014
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Nope.
Apr 21st 2014
80
Damn...Phil came up in MSG this morning like this:
Apr 21st 2014
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Yo, this had me rolling.
Apr 21st 2014
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"And so I'm saying bye-bye"-GUY
Apr 21st 2014
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basically
Apr 21st 2014
76
exactly
Apr 21st 2014
78
Dolan getting in the way already. smh
Apr 23rd 2014
81
Oh you knew that was going to happen.
Apr 23rd 2014
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      I thought we'd make it through one off season first tho.
Apr 23rd 2014
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1. "somebody said yall getting thibs. "
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p jack already working magic

  

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2. "don't tease me like that."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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20. "No way thibs leaves the bulls "
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zero

  

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3. "Woody did a fine job. "
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Knicks are a bad basketball team.

  

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6. "yeah, he's an ok coach"
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probably above average, even. you could do worse.

it's just a clown organization with exactly three interesting pieces on the roster, and one was banged up and old all year (tyson).

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25. "http://i.minus.com/iHoAFy37UTDFz.gif"
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>Knicks are a bad basketball team.


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4. "people taking this as Amare throwing shad at Woodson, but..."
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It sounds like shade at his teammates for not buying in... not buying in with a system, that, ya know, you won 54 games using last year!

JR Smith got paid came in ngaf... Ray Felton got fatter

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5. "pretty much."
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In the beginning of the season tyson was always complaining about the switching and how he gets caught guarding guards....hello, yo ass ain't supposed to be switching on guards genius. That means ya'll are executing wrong (aka Feltons fat ass ain't getting over the screens)

of course the media and fans ran with it, meanwhile this was the same switching that improved the defense under D'antoni and last season.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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7. "that ain't on the players, that's on management"
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you were a three point shooting small ball team that got rid of all your shooters and moved your extremely effective small ball 4 back to 3 so that you could play bargs. this was unwise.

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8. "players still got to buy into whatever system the coach sets"
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up.

Unless you important enough to voice your displeasure (melo)

if you not, shut up and follow orders.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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9. "The roster is legitimately Carmelo + 8th/9th men on good teams"
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10. "Sounds Like STAT Wants Him To Stay"
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And the only players I absolve of any blame this season are him and Melo...both dudes played as hard as possible for him

I don't want Woody to go, he's earned the right to have one bad season, but if he does go, don't make a lateral move. Get someone better

But personally, I think he deserves the chance to rebound. And with a damn backcourt that will play worth a damn and not wait until March to get their shit together

  

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13. "Eh, i don't think stat wants him to stay personally"
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But stat is a professional. As much as you can complain about him, he's a pro. I don't think he agreed with everything Woody was preaching either but he knows the pecking order.

I agree though with getting someone better, but at the same time, sometimes you gotta take a chance with an unproven (kerr)

At this point though, i don't think they can bring Woody back. They let him waffle, and then they didn't make the playoffs. If players were tuning him out this year, next year will be even worse.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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21. "I Don't Know"
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>Eh, i don't think stat wants him to stay personallyBut stat is a professional. As much as you can complain about
>him, he's a pro. I don't think he agreed with everything Woody
>was preaching either but he knows the pecking order.
Thing with STAT is he was mad at Woody for the minutes restriction more than anything else. If he's taking that out on Woody, then Woody's just taking bullets meant for the medical staff. STAT, as professional as he is, was just frustrated because of his baby minutes. He was fine when Woody got the green light, and Woody gave him the minutes
If STAT is pissed about Woody for that, then that's on STAT

>I agree though with getting someone better, but at the same
>time, sometimes you gotta take a chance with an unproven
>(kerr)
Ehhh, it's quite the risk. We're not quite in win now mode but we're a lot closer to that than start over. Kerr is very interesting, but tres risque

>At this point though, i don't think they can bring Woody back.
>They let him waffle, and then they didn't make the playoffs.
>If players were tuning him out this year, next year will be
>even worse.
The players that tuned him out are the ones that ruined the season...between Chandler, Felton, Shump and to a lesser extent JR, those guys might have to tread lightly next year

And Phil does what Phil wants...I wouldn't be surprised if he kept Woodson this year and fired him next year when the cap space clears up and those other contracts are gone. Phil as a boss is nothing short of unpredictable

  

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11. "So besides Woody, who do we keep on the roster?"
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12. "Keep The Only Guys That Gave a Damn the Whole Year"
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Amare, Melo, Timmy. Woodson was handcuffed with the minutes restriction with STAT so there wasn't much he could do
Melo balled out this year and did everything humanly possible
Timmy's a rookie with promise (ironically, so was Shump)

I'm so pissed at Shump, Felton, Tyson and JR

The rest, ehhh (I like Tyler though)
And I think this ends Pablo's NBA stint...either his contract is up or he doesn't want to deal with losing like this anymore

  

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14. "Keep"
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Melo
TimmyJr
Stat (might as well retire as a knick)
Tyler
Aldritch

Everyone else gotta go especially Felton and JR Smith.
Shump gotta go and it hurst me to say it but Tyson gotta go too. We need a "modern" center. There are a ton of 6'10" - 7'0" guys who can bring the rock up the court, make plays, score, and play defense (Noah, Cousins, Z'bo, Aldridge, Durant)
We may not get that this year but that should be our goal for the future.

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15. "I'm More Pissed at Shump Than JR"
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>Everyone else gotta go especially Felton and JR Smith.
At the very least JR showed flashes mid-way through the season. Shump was ghost until last week

And fuck Felton (although I UNDERSTAND how his personal life took a toll on him)

  

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16. "I'm not so sure Woody will get fired"
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With the way I've heard Phil Jackson talk about Woody it almost sounds like he's going to give him one more shot.

I wouldn't be surprised if they keep Woody and have a replacement on deck in case the Knicks get off to a bad start next season.

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37. "there is literally no chance he doesn't get fired"
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and I like Mike Woodson, he handled this shitshow like a pro all the way down the line.

But he is gone, that's a lock.

The coach is really the only major move Feel can make in this offseason (outside of re-upping Melo). 2015 is when he can really start tinkering for real.

  

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38. "pretty much"
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>and I like Mike Woodson, he handled this shitshow like a pro
>all the way down the line.
>
Woody wasn't even in the exit interviews yesterday btw

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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17. "Knicks hire Clarence Gaines Jr."
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Gaines was a scout for the Bulls under Jerry Krause during the Jordan years. Him and Phil go back.

I got a chance to interview Gaines in LA for my web series a couple years ago, and we talked for hours about basketball and his thoughts on the game on all levels. Great guy. Loves the game. I'm real happy for him, but I'm sad he's probably not going to be posting on Twitter. I really enjoyed his commentary on coach culture.

Understand you guys are getting a great scout that enjoys the game.

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18. "how does that scenario play out to the advantage of the NYK?"
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IRT trying to convince Melo to stay and that you are committed to building an immediate chip contender

by bringing in a rookie head coach? (I'm assuming it would be a rookie, if not a rookie HC, but a vet, I still don't think it helps keep Melo in NYK by bringing in a new HC and most likely offensive and defensive systems)

alot of other teams with cap space that wouldn't be starting from scratch

which is what the NYK basically need to do

firing Woody and keeping Melo seem to be mutually exclusive

firing Woody then puts Feel's name in the papers, again

eh, I think he stays. (plenty of folks on that roster need to go)

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19. "Phil can't build an immediate chip contender. They won't get that better"
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until 2015 at the earliest. that's what they are going to be selling to melo.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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22. "Damn, Lupica spitting the truth"
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I hate this dude with a passion and usually ignore his articles but he's speaking truuuuuuth.

Mike Woodson deserves respect from Knicks and Phil Jackson, even if he is fired

After Mike D'Antoni was sent away, Woodson took over a flawed team and righted it. Then he won 54 games and a playoff series - the first in a while. But management at the Garden wants to lay all the blame for this bad season at his feet.

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Friday, April 18, 2014, 12:02 AM A A A
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Even with this rush in basketball New York to make Mike Woodson the fall guy for everything wrong at the Garden except ticket prices and get him out of here, maybe somebody at the Garden other than Carmelo Anthony could show some respect for the work Woodson has done here.
The Knicks’ record was 18-24 when Woodson took over from Mike D’Antoni. This was a season that ended with Tyson Chandler — somehow treated as some kind of great champion here because he played 27 minutes a game on a Mavericks team that won an NBA title — being named Defensive Player of the Year.

Then the Knicks went 54-28 and won the Atlantic Division and J.R. Smith played better than he ever had in his life and Anthony was an MVP candidate and the Knicks not only won a playoff series for the first time in 13 years, they might have made the Eastern Conference finals if Chandler hadn’t looked as small as a jockey against Roy Hibbert.

Woodson is so far and away the best coach the Knicks have had since Jeff Van Gundy beat it out of the Garden it’s not even close.
Now we hear it was all Jason Kidd’s doing. Sure it was. The suckers want you to believe that the way all the guys with long knives at the Garden want you to believe that the Knicks not making the playoffs was all Woodson’s fault.

And when all should have been lost this season and the media were telling you Woodson had lost his team, whatever that was supposed to mean, the Knicks finished 16-5, missed the playoffs by as little as they did. You wonder what would have happened around the trade deadline if the Knicks had a real general manager or if management was invested at all in helping Woodson make the playoffs.

What does this all mean? It absolutely means that Phil Jackson needs to show respect for Woodson this week. Because all Woodson has done since the moment he took over from D’Antoni is honor the opportunity he was given, and the place, even trying to navigate the dumb, mean, permanent government around James Dolan.

Woodson is so far and away the best coach the Knicks have had since Jeff Van Gundy beat it out of the Garden it’s not even close. All those losing seasons before Woodson and he goes 109-79 and wins a playoff series and has a record of 54-22 in March and April. He wins down the stretch this time when the team should have quit on him the way management quit on him long ago.

Woodson got the very best out of Smith and he has gotten the best out of Anthony. But now you really are supposed to believe that the team coached itself when things were going good and Woodson tried to ruin everything when things went sideways earlier this season.

Guess what? We are going to find out a lot about Jackson, president and savior, by the way he handles things with Woodson now that the season is over and Jackson is on the clock. By the way? Jackson has a perfect right to bring in his own man. But as a coach himself he needs to show that he understands the work Woodson did this season.

Once again: Go look at the records of all the other coaches who followed Van Gundy, Lenny Wilkens and Don Chaney and Larry Brown and Isiah Thomas and D’Antoni. And then see that Woodson has been 30 games over .500 here. It doesn’t mean he gets a job for life, or that he is Red Auerbach or Phil Jackson or Pat Riley or Gregg Popovich. But if you don’t appreciate the job he has done and the way he has conducted himself over the past 200 games, then go watch ultimate fighting. You’ve been watching the wrong movie.

At least Carmelo Anthony finally did stand up for Woodson on Thursday, after a season when Anthony was praised for playing harder and better than at any other time in his career. It wasn’t supposed to matter. But it did, even if it was too little and too late to help Woodson very much. This was at least a form of accountability from Anthony, on behalf of a coach who was the most accountable person in the building.

Woodson never had a prayer with this year's flawed roster, but he deserves respect for what he accomplished as head coach of the Knicks.
“If he needs my recommendation, whether it’s here or anywhere else, I’ll back him,” Anthony said Thursday. “I have nothing bad to say about Mike Woodson. I support him. For me as a player, I had some of my best years under Mike Woodson. So I would never have anything bad to say about Mike Woodson.”

But Woodson gets no credit now, especially from all the frontrunners at the Garden. So the only record that is relevant is the one over the first 60 games of the season, not anything that came before or anything that came after. Talk about the coach, not overrated and overpaid and over-the-hill basketball players such as Chandler and Amar'e Stoudemire, somehow still treated like stand-up guys.
Woodson had a .580 winning percentage with Smith as his secondary scorer and a gimpy Stoudemire and Chandler so often living off reputation and the sketchiest point guard play in the league. But none of that matters, oh no, because Woodson doesn’t matter, all that matters now is the starry-eyed coverage of Phil Jackson.

Say it again, now that it seems as if somebody passed a law that the Knicks have to go in another direction: Woodson acted like a big guy even when the season turned lousy. He coached his team to the end, right to the end of the Toronto game. It would be nice for Phil Jackson in particular to acknowledge that one of these days.
You show respect to someone who has shown this kind of respect to the New York Knicks. It is a kind of class Jackson remembers from the old Garden, if not this one.


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/lupica-easy-ax-jax-woodson-deserves-knicks-respect-article-1.1760637#ixzz2zFH4yyJL

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28. "GATDAYUM!"
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He spit DAT TRUTH
And I HATE Lupica...but he was on point on this one

To blame the season on Woodson takes accountability away from Chandler, Felton, JR, and Shump (and to a lesser extent, STAT)

I agree with him completely about the front office...they fucked up Woody from jump

  

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29. "yo, i haven't met 1 person that likes lupica lol"
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I stopped watching sports reporters bc of that dude.

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23. "How does this absolve Woody? Oh boy!"
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>I really just wanted to post this stat quote that essentially
>absolved woody of any blame from this season...but we can make
>this woody fired post as well.
>
>“I think next year we got to take more of a mind-set of trying
>to master the game,” Stoudemire said on Wednesday. “I mean,
>again, certain strategies were placed upon us with Coach
>Woodson. There were times when we didn’t quite buy into it and
>as a result of that, we lost games.
>
>“So, going forward into next year, whatever the strategy is,
>we got to buy into it from the beginning, we got to work on
>mastering that strategy whether it is offensively or
>defensively.”
>
>
>Read more:
>http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/woody-watch-knicks-beat-raptors-final-game-article-1.1759238#ixzz2z9KeLqIY


If players aren't following the coaching then why not bench them? Woody let Melo and JR do whatever they wanted on the court like a prized grandsons. Plus his rotations were terrible.

Let's not cop pleas for Woody. Even in the 50+ win season Woody's coaching was suspect.

  

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24. "lol what?"
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i'm sure the knicks would have won more games trotting out Toure, Pablo, Melo, Tyler and Coleworld

And are you forgetting that woody did bench JR during the season? Guess what, we still lost.

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26. "At least make a point, man!"
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>i'm sure the knicks would have won more games trotting out
>Toure, Pablo, Melo, Tyler and Coleworld

Chandler definitely should've got benched for Cole/Tyler. He would let players freely drive to the basket uncontested.

Woody's principles suck. He just sets up ISOs for the star player. And through the time he spent with the Knicks, I still dont know why he's considered a defensive coach.

And regardless, if you cant get players to buy into your coaching then how are you a good coach? Part of being a good coach is having your team believe in your strategies.

  

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27. "Chandler didn't play early on and we lost games dude"
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>Chandler definitely should've got benched for Cole/Tyler. He
>would let players freely drive to the basket uncontested.
>

c'mon

>Woody's principles suck. He just sets up ISOs for the star
>player. And through the time he spent with the Knicks, I still
>dont know why he's considered a defensive coach.
>
>
Agreed, i'd rather he allowed felton to create open shots for his teammates, since he's so great at that. A few tyson post ups woulda nice as well.

I guess you thought that was D'antoni that turned the knicks into a top 5 defensive team.

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31. "Come On Man"
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>>i'm sure the knicks would have won more games trotting out
>>Toure, Pablo, Melo, Tyler and Coleworld

>Chandler definitely should've got benched for Cole/Tyler. He
>would let players freely drive to the basket uncontested.
I agree with this

>Woody's principles suck. He just sets up ISOs for the star
>player. And through the time he spent with the Knicks, I still
>dont know why he's considered a defensive coach.
They RAN plays...it wasn't ISO's.
Melo passed more than he did in his LIFE...the entire back court was shooting BRICKS all season. The plays were called, just nobody was hitting shots BUT Melo (including that fraud Beno Udrih)

>And regardless, if you cant get players to buy into your
>coaching then how are you a good coach? Part of being a good
>coach is having your team believe in your strategies.
That's not true at all...you can be a good coach and still get sabotaged by players who think they're playing better than they really are, or blaming everyone else but themselves (like Chandler)

  

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30. "LOL -- Woody did a masterful coaching job last season"
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The TEAM is bad

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32. "Knick fans, simple question, do you want Woodson back for 1 more"
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season?

Yes or No?

  

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43. "JVG isn't touching the mess that is the Knicks & Stan can't deal w/stars"
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The Knicks are constructed just like the teams George Karl had regular season success coaching in Denver. Basically a bunch of wing player & gunner that excel in a fast paced game. But then there is the big elephant in the room......Melo. Maybe Marc Jackson get fired & he becomes available.

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34. "I want better players with Stat, Melo, Tyson, JR and Lil Tim..."
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36. "So thats a No right?"
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35. "he needs more than a year...he can't be lame duck status again."
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39. "Whoopi Goldberg has a better shot at the gig than Woodson does"
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it is what it is, management shift on a playoff-missing season is an automatic eject button.

Gonna be Kerr, its actually sort of amazing how thin Feel's coaching tree is after 11 titles.

Cleamons, Rambis, Shaw, Fish eventually, then......Steve Kerr or Craig Hodges?

Chuck Person who for some reason coaches defense?

  

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40. "I dont see Kerr being a NY media type of guy"
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or the type of coach that would be good for Melo (if he stays) JR, Felton.

He doesnt have that edge Horny always had.

He got himself gassed being the only white guy in the NBA Hangtime or (whatever the fuck that shit was called) panel preseason.

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41. "Kerr is already a media guy, not sure what he couldn't handle"
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about going on a radio show once a week and speaking in pressers, he ain't D'Antoni.

Love Horry but he was never a guy that sought the spotlight or dealing with the media and giving speeches in the locker room.

Kerr has at least already ran a team as an exec plus he's one of Feel's guys while Horry isn't tight like that with PJ, he's more Pop or even Rudy.

I mean if Feel ain't gonna coach, you don't want his early re-treads that have failed already, Kerr seems like he might have enough backbone to not just do the triangle but make decisions based on the talent.

And honestly, you can't hire a coach based on how he's gonna handle JR Smith, the Knicks have kowtowed to that dude far more than he ever deserved.

Melo's gonna be Melo regardless.

  

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42. "I agree wit you, I'm just saying while I like woody, bringing him back "
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Without an extension would be pointless. Of course, there will be no extension.

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44. "Officially gone as per multiple NY beat writers on twitter."
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First coach gone for the season. That's gotta sting.

  

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45. "if he wants one, he'll have a job next season."
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49. "Are you referring to the NCAA job he was"
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Rumored to have earlier this year? In regards to Kerr, it'll be interesting since he was the one to chuck deuces to Amare getting a long term deal in Phoenix. And I don't see Mark Jackson leaving G.S. voluntarily to go to NY since he has a bright future with Stephan Curry. Would be insane for him to get shit canned after his second time in the playoffs. I wonder if Dolan was involved at all in the Woodson/Jackson meeting.

  

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52. "that or another nba gig"
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Granted he's not gonna get a championship ready team, but he's a good coach. i'm not sure what teams will be in the market.

won't be no issues with amare. its obvious kerr was right. Its not like amare can be mad lol. No matter who comes in, feel is gonna control what happens wit amare. MArk and GS got some beef going all on season. He might be released. I don't think woody met with anyone. He told them to call his agent if he's getting released.

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57. "RE: that or another nba gig"
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>I don't think
>woody met with anyone. He told them to call his agent if he's
>getting released.
Would have been interesting if Woodson burned the NY Knicks bridge and told Jackson to get on with the firing similiar to how Stringer Bell told Avon and Brother Mouzone to get on with it mother fucker before they shot him up.

  

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58. "ACTUALLY"
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>>I don't think
>>woody met with anyone. He told them to call his agent if
>he's
>>getting released.
>Would have been interesting if Woodson burned the NY Knicks
>bridge and told Jackson to get on with the firing similiar to
>how Stringer Bell told Omar** and Brother Mouzone to get on with
>it mother fucker before they shot him up.


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59. "That was almost as fast as the Woodson firing."
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Good job.

  

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46. "RE: Officially gone as per multiple NY beat writers on twitter."
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http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1763141.1398047280!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/knicks21s-2-web.jpg

Actually i'd prefer to see what happens with mark jackson first.

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50. "I'm With You On This"
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>Actually i'd prefer to see what happens with mark jackson
>first.
I'm torn on that series though
I kinda want GS to lose because I think MJax will be canned (unfairly). And if he's available, scoop him up (no disrespect to Kerr)

However, I kinda want GS to win because CP3 (who I really like) should get FRIED the way Melo gets FRIED. And CP3 has had way better teams the last couple of years

Sucks for Woodson though, I do feel bad for him. He got sabotaged by an inept front office and 1/2 the team playing like bitches

  

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53. "lol i started to post the same thing about the gs series"
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I want golden state to lose for mark jackson purposes and agree, its unfair that we even having this convo about him...at the same time, i like mark jackson and i'm not sure how you can dislike the Golden state squad. I'm still rooting for them to win

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69. "Said it in the GS/Clips post, but I doubt Jackson gets fired"
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Even if the Warriors lose to the Clippers. It wouldn't make any sense. They won 51 games (the most in 22 years) and the players, especially Curry and Klay, love him.

Unless Lacob and Jackson got into a huge fight behind the scenes and Jackson said something about Lacob's mother, I really can't see it happening.

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47. "good for the knicks. i'm interested in seeing what kerr can do if thats"
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really the direction feel is going in

  

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48. "damn whole staff gone...we couldn't keep herb?"
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dude's been with the knicks for 20+ years.

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54. "Phil Must've Had 90's Flashbacks"
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And said I REMEMBER YEW (c) Steven Segal in Hard to Kill
And then snaps the neck...lol

  

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55. "I never thought I'd see the day Herb wasn't an asst. coach"
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I guess this means Phil really does have control?

  

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56. "Monday after Easter to boot."
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Must have been rough, assuming the assistants aren't godless in their beliefs like I am. I have a feeling Woodson saw the writing on your the wall for himself though.

  

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60. "they trying to purge the inner culture of the Knicks"
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51. "shrug. eh."
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stat bargs tyson felton and keeping melo.
anyone can fire a coach.
let's see what 12m really gets you.

  

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61. "Do you really want Steve Kerr as your coach?"
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I mean he sucks as an announcer him and Reggie Miller are so bad and never call the game and just repeat storyline bs, I mean i have heard Kerr say Tyson Chandler is a great rim protector, great rebounder and is great man to man defender is that the guy who you want as your coach

What I'd like to have right now is for all you fat, out of shape, small dick niggas to keep the noise down while I take my robe off and show all the ladies what a real man is supposed to look like (C) Ravishing Rick Rude

  

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62. "GM, sure. "
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Coach... I don't know. He has no coaching experience and what is his specialty? Offesne or Defense? Just because he knows the triangle should not be enough for a coaching gig.

If we are going to start with a new culture, new outlook, we need to start w/ a strong coach.

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63. "RE: GM, sure. "
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He sucked as a GM too Basically told D'antoni gtfo, broguht in Terry Porter shit failed brought in Alvin Gentry who returned the Suns into Dantoni Phoenix and lucked in to Shaq leaving to Cleveland.

I don't know this love affair with this dude

What I'd like to have right now is for all you fat, out of shape, small dick niggas to keep the noise down while I take my robe off and show all the ladies what a real man is supposed to look like (C) Ravishing Rick Rude

  

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64. "name plausible alternatives."
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65. "this is where i'm at."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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75. "ALternatives to what? Coaches or Triangle coaches?"
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Kerr is a name because when you hear it you think Bulls, you think the Amare'/ Nash Suns.

BUT it does not translate to wins.
Lionel Hollins still out there; not saying he's the one, but maybe. Shoot... Pat Ew still out there also (at least he has been coaching). Mark J if the axe comes. I mean there are choices beyond Steve Kerr.

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66. "RE: name plausible alternatives."
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there is alot of possible alternatives( assistant head coaches ) how is Kerr who isn't good at GM or as the color getting this much love just listen to his commetary he sucks

What I'd like to have right now is for all you fat, out of shape, small dick niggas to keep the noise down while I take my robe off and show all the ladies what a real man is supposed to look like (C) Ravishing Rick Rude

  

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67. "name assistants with resumes you'd like the coach the knicks"
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68. "Muthafucka i just got my dickwashed by some broad i guess "
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u want to suck my dick next,

There is other options that we should look at if mark jackson gets fired grab him over Kerr, all this name muthafuckas shit you are doing is lame and if you want to continue then see my in the hands and we can settle it like that

What makes Kerr good you ain't named shit but anatagonize don't let me start the dickslapping season again i put the 14 inch in my pants but it can always come out and slap u silly

What I'd like to have right now is for all you fat, out of shape, small dick niggas to keep the noise down while I take my robe off and show all the ladies what a real man is supposed to look like (C) Ravishing Rick Rude

  

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71. "1. k"
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2. ima let this invite to throw hands slide as some silly innanet thing you do. you dont know me. i'll beat the motor functions out of you and I certainly aint doing it over mike woodson, steve kerr, or some unnamed coach.

  

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70. "hollins? SVG? "
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ALOT of ppl seem to respect Kerr's basketball mind for whatever that's worth
he def has a lot of friends in the media and league offices so maybe that's an advantage
he hasn't even been officially named yet so maybe ppl are tripping for nothing

  

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72. "after how shit went with jvg, dunno is svg comes here"
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hollins ionno. I like lionel but ionno how well he'd do here.
there are a lot of power dynamics to consider. phil over your shoulder saying whatever he wants about your performance to the media is a consideration.
you losing and we want phil chants.
media all over you
and this org is dysfunctional as fuck.

either a new dude groomed in phil's way, or an established guy with his version of what phil wants, that could dissolve into fuckery in an isola paragraph.

  

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82. "how things happened with jvg has no effect on svg"
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stan would go to the right situation, if the rest of his wife and kids are on board with it. i don't think that this will be the situation for him though, bc of phil. stan doesn't have to control what players he gets, but he is going to want to use his own coaching philosophies and i don't think that can happen in this situation.

  

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77. "NO."
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80. "Nope."
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73. "Damn...Phil came up in MSG this morning like this:"
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79. "Yo, this had me rolling."
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74. ""And so I'm saying bye-bye"-GUY"
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76. "basically"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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78. "exactly"
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81. "Dolan getting in the way already. smh"
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/source-dolan-stop-jackson-knick-staff-firings-article-1.1765645

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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83. "Oh you knew that was going to happen. "
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84. "I thought we'd make it through one off season first tho."
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