"Greatest Impact on a NCAA b-ball Program by 1 Player?"
who you got?
J.A. Adande @jadande 58m Watching Requiem For Big East. Ive always said Ewing had biggest impact on program of any college player. Should I add conference?
J.A. Adande @jadande 50m Anyone saying Michael Jordan had anywhere near the impact on UNC as Ewing did at Georgetown really needs to study basketball history
J.A. Adande @jadande 50m Im talking about someone who took a program from obscurity to lasting national prominence. Theres Ewing, then .No. 2
2. "Don't withdraw it...without Webber, Ed Martin arguably never gains" In response to Reply # 1
the influence he had within the program. He had been building a relationship with Webber since he was in middle school. Without Webber, Martin may not have been around the program at all by the time Traylor and Bullock were there...
13. "thats true about him and Webber" In response to Reply # 2
But Martin had already built relationships with Frieder and Perry Watson, and he started in on Traylor befor Webber ever played a game for UM
I actually know a guy who knew Ed Martin personally. Martin was the kind of dude who passed out turkeys and coats to kids in Detroit in the winter and paid for basketball shoes for scrubs and stars alike. Paints a conflicting picture, but Ed Martin had the kind of love in the city that can only be earned over time. If it hadnt been Webber it would have been Traylor or Taylor.
71. "oh I know about his org crime stuff" In response to Reply # 69
I figured everybody did, thats what I meant by a conflicting picture.
I just dont think ppl know how strong his ties were to the city, and how they got to be that way. If it hadnt been Webber it would have been someone else.
4. "Mike Miller is probably up there" In response to Reply # 0
The Gators were a football only school with one freak trip to the final four when Billy came aboard.
Miller was the first McDonald's All American to pick UF. They made the sweet 16 his freshman year (Billy's first winning season in G'ville), made the NCAA Championship game his sophomore (and final) year, and have been nationally prominent ever since, winning two titles.
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35. "hayes is a fine choice but WAY too much is made of that game" In response to Reply # 22 Sat Mar-22-14 11:16 AM by ConcreteCharlie
jabbar was playing injured, houston was at home and when the two teams met again in the ncaa tourney "#2" UCLA destroyed Houston en route to a national title.
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41. "Johnny Dawkins is by miles Duke's biggest game changing player." In response to Reply # 8
He was K's first elite recruit, and the success under him paved the way for K to land all the other elite recruits that brought the success that followed. He took them from a good program to a program ready to be great.
53. "Yeah they were hated during the Dawkins/Amaker/Bilas days too but" In response to Reply # 8
it intensified when Laettner's punk ass got there...by that time they were becoming a college hoop's powerhouse which is what made them become the most hated college team in the ncaa.
42. "I think it would have to be Pearl Washington for Cuse" In response to Reply # 10
The Big East and ESPN and the Dome being built were all huge factors in getting Cuse to where they could recruit someone like Pearl Washington. And Pearl was the recruit/player who made it work, and took Cuse from a good northeast basketball school to a top program on the national level who could get the Coleman/Owens/Wallace/Carmelo type of players.
47. "And to add, I think that Carmelo has gotta be 2nd" In response to Reply # 42 Sat Mar-22-14 12:20 PM by DJR
While Cuse had been good for a long time, Carmelo was the first McDonalds AA they'd gotten in 10 years (Wallace in '92) and obviously got the program and Boeheim over the top with that title.
And I also think there's a big correlation between the Carmelo Anthony Center being built in 2009 (with Carmelo putting up like 3 million towards it), and the success Syracuse has had the last 5 years. This is as successful of a 5 year run as they've ever had, and having an elite practice facility helps both with recruiting and player development. Carmelo had a big role in that getting built, so he's still having an effect on the program.
What exactly did Ewing do for Georgetown? He won them the title...but they were an Elite 8 team BEFORE he got there, so how is that a great impact?
What exactly did Carmelo do for Syracuse? He won them the title, but they were still a top 20 program...but the title is HUGE because it solidifies HOF coaches career (Thompson and Boeheim)
27. "Maybe Oscar Robertson?" In response to Reply # 0
He basically made Cincy basketball a thing, and the guys who came there (primarily because they wanted to play with him) led them to two chips after he graduated.
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36. "i would go with him or ewing or jabbar" In response to Reply # 27
i realize ucla was already an established entity but cap took them to another level. ewing coming to gtown went beyond the hoyas and to the entire conference. oscar was not only a beast in his own right but as you said he brought success behind him that kept the program strong for some time.
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37. "uh, whut? they had just been to the elite 8 in 1999." In response to Reply # 29
that started their run of however many straight appearances in the tourney. i'm not trying to argue for dan dickau or john stockton ahead of morrisson or whatever. i'm just saying the zags wouldnt be the program that i'd look at to answer this question. they have been consistently good with various centerpieces.
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58. "RE: Surprising choice: Adam Morrison" In response to Reply # 29
In the 5 years before Morrison showed up Gonzaga got to the elite 8 twice and the sweet 16 once, and 2 early exits.
During Morrison's 3 years they had 2 early exits and 1 sweet 16.
Since Morrison left they've had 6 early exits and 1 sweet 16.
From the tourney finishes it would appear that Morrison's time at Gonzaga was pretty much insignificant to the overall success of the program, to put it in the kindest possible terms.
To put it in more appropriate terms...fuck that guy
Since your argument doesn't take into success at the NBA level, we can throw away actual basketball ability from this discussion and focus on a player's time at college and his impact on building a powerhouse. Following this logic, Tate George at Uconn elevated that program to actual powerhouse (as opposed to gonzaga's definition of powerhouse).
Tate George was a shit NBA player. Tate George hit a shot in the 1990 tourney (pass from scotty burrell, nadav henefeld, chris smith also on that team) that elevated the program to national prominence. I apologize to the legacy of Chris Smith and Scott Burrell who were actually good at basketball. So was Nadav.
Before 1990 uconn's previous NCAA tourney appearance was 1979. In 1990 they were a 1 seed. Seeding history since:
Tate George was not single handedly responsible for the success of that 1990 team, and in reality he wasn't the best player but his impact on the program in unquestionable, unlike that of Adam Morrison. Uconn became a powerhouse.
Fun fact - Tate George scammed the Nets into thinking he was good by hitting that shot in the tournament. He would later go on to scam others as a leader of a Ponzi scheme! What scam will Adam Morrison be a part of next? I bet it won't be as good as Tate's!
40. "much different programs IMO" In response to Reply # 39
Seton Hall was good for about 5 years in the late 80's-early 90's. They had never even made the NCAA tourney before that, and they've only had the occasional good team since then.
Villanova had some successful basketball history before 1985, and they've been the much stronger program since their title than Seton Hall has since their title game run in 89.
If Seton Hall had pulled it off in 89.....I really don't think things would've turned out much differently for them afterwards. That's going to be a difficult place to win consistently at, regardless.
49. "it was an exaggerated comparison, you're right." In response to Reply # 40
maybe St. Johns or providence is a better comparison? but had Nova not won in 85, i could see an alternative universe where temple runs philly entirely and villanova can't compete for recruits.
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50. "OJ Mayo, his deal with Tim Floyd reignited the Bush thing" In response to Reply # 0
not helped by Mike Garrett's reaction to the scrutiny and then USC received the stiffest sanctions this century to a football program that didn't facilitate child rape (and even that, they won the appeal while SC didn't).
65. "TJ Ford" In response to Reply # 0 Sun Mar-23-14 05:19 PM by MEAT
Texas still isn't great, but nobody remembers shit about Texas basketball before he came on the scene. Why? Because there wasn't shit before he came on the scene.
We had Tom Penders and the running horns and that was it.
Without TJ Ford at Texas: PJ Tucker, Damien James, Dexter Pittman, Lamarcus Aldridge, DJ Augustin, Kevin Durant, Boobie Gibson (same high school), Tristan Thompson, Jordan Hamilton, Corey Joseph, Avery Bradley ... they ALL go elsewhere.
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74. "Good choice, although I was a fan of Reggie Freeman back" In response to Reply # 65
in the mid 90s. That was around the time my oldest brother went to school all the way out to Austin, Texas (UT). At the time, I had so many false pretensions about what Texas was like (I'm from PA). Texas immediately became my 2nd favorite college so I followed their sports teams very closely. Freeman was a beast, but it really wasn't until Rick Barnes and then later TJ Ford came and really established Texas as a legit basketball program.
75. "I loved Reggie Freeman back in the days." In response to Reply # 74
Longhorns basketball used to be so obscure on a national level, it's so weird how much it's changed. Locally they're still pretty under rated and followed.
My dad and uncle used to coach Kris Black as a kid and to me that was the greatest thing ever.
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