Because if I'm a top recruit, I'm looking at the last few seasons and I'm thinking that championship squad was an aberration not a norm.

Various top prospects have seen their draft stock plummet by going to play with a stacked AAU squad and have failed to generate the chemistry to make all that talent shine.

Then, there's a new crop of 'top recruits' coming in to replace the underachievers as starters because they weren't a championship team and the only reason the new recruits are coming to Lexington is to start, shine for a year and go pro.

I mean if you were projected top 10-15 coming in and at the end of the year you're late first round/second round, that's gotta matter eventually right?

Should Cal start netting 2-3 blue chips and maybe a few 4 stars that'll stay 2-3 years and develop? Having 6-8 new all-American freshmen coming in every year has to be getting riskier by the moment since UK isn't delivering with them.

I dunno but if I'm a top recruit, I'm looking at Zona, any top school in the Big 10, ACC (including L'ville) or Big 12 or FLA before UK. I mean, unless Cal just pays better than anyone else but still...I'd want those future dollars more (especially since Silver is talking about raising the draft age to 20).

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due to others draft stock dropping and them not being able to win?

Eventually one of these dudes is gonna flat out say "I shoulda went somewhere else because going to UK hurt me in the end."

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He really thought he had it all figured out too.

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He recruits the best players. Syracuse does the same. We recruit the same players a lot of the time.

But we are currently getting more of them than you are.

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>He recruits the best players. Syracuse does the same. We
>recruit the same players a lot of the time.
>
>But we are currently getting more of them than you are.

I know they got that 'chip and that can't be discounted or taken for granted by any means, but overall UK is not winning as much either. I'm a believer that if we keep being in the hunt every single year, we'll get another 'chip.

Syracuse tries to get the best players too, yes. But they also always have the CJ Fairs, Kris Josephs, Andy Rautins', Rick Jacksons, James Southerland.....4 year players who develop into very solid players as upper classmen. They've also backed off some(Tony Wroten) when they already had guards....a mixture of the top talen(MCW, Waiters) and the veteran program players(Triche, Jardine). Would they have done better than the 34-3 they got, with Wroten out there gunning for his?

Arrogant as in, he didn't seem to be shying away from that 40-0 dumb shit.

Replaced that ENTIRE team and lost their best player. Then went to the N.I.T.

This year isn't over yet either.

If we can have some players come back from this roster, with next year's class, we can be even better.

You guys have 1 Title in 40 years. Relax. You're not beating down any doors.

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>Replaced that ENTIRE team and lost their best player. Then
>went to the N.I.T.
>
>This year isn't over yet either.
>
>If we can have some players come back from this roster, with
>next year's class, we can be even better.
>
>You guys have 1 Title in 40 years. Relax. You're not beating
>down any doors.

Yeah, and there were veteran, good program players on those teams that actually did something too. There aren't any on these last 2 teams that are flopping.And I agree, the year is not over. In today's college hoops environment, even teams that suck can win something(see UConn - 2011).


I wasn't comparing the two programs historically. I'm pretty sure Boeheim's got more W's(fewer NIT's) in the last 5 than Cal does at UK though, even though he's getting fewer top recruits or whatever.

What were your thoughts on Cal before he was at UK? Honestly curious.

I respect Cal more for not forcing kids to come back.

Cal has gone on record saying he wishes the rule was 2 years.

That wouldn't hurt him by any stretch.

Would you trade an N.I.T. appearance for a Championship? I'd alternate every year if possible.

***shrugs***

Before UK, Cal to me was still the coach at UMASS, and I didn't like him. Thought he was a fake Pitino.

I also didn't watch Cal's teams play much. I knew he was charismatic and had a free flowing offense.

Now, it's not much different. But I like him. He cares about the kids. He's charismatic. Most of the kids would run through a brick wall for him. He's not the best X's & O's coach. But most of his teams play solid defense.

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Why'd last years PG leave? Could he not have developed into a solid, veteran PG as an upperclassman?

I wish Harrow did stay, but he had things going on with him.

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Same team that sucked but beat Cuse in the BET tourney and won a ship why ya'll got beat by a wack ass Marquette team in the 2nd round. 3>1, and ya'll ain't catching that number no time soon.

No need to get defensive. The '99 and '04 Huskies were legit, and UConn had a lot of squads that didnt win anything that were much better teams than 2011. Shitty season for hoops, they got hot and made a run against other mostly shitty teams.

3-1...fantastic. Should be noted that Cuse played Indiana, maybe the best Kentucky team ever, and Kansas in their title games.

Not everyone is fortunate enough to play wack Georgia Tech and Butler teams in games that nobody remembers(actually, Butler is remembered for how awful it was)

All that other blah blah shit you typed to sidestep 1 being less than 3 don't really matter, everyone knows the 04 Duke FF game was really the title game and that squad was better and more loaded than 02 Kansas, and the difference b/w UConn and Cuse is that ya'll lose to Butler in a Sweet 16 and UConn dominates them in a title game.

They did beat UConn by the way, but so did half the big East.

The difference between Syracuse and UConn though? The difference is that one still matters in college basketball and one doesn't. UConn has faded into mediocre irrelevance, while Cuse has been living in the top 5. If anyone adds another 'Chip it will surely be Cuse.

Didn't mean to demean the last significant accomplishment UConn hoops will likely ever have. (I do wish they were in the ACC, but it's not looking good for themI just didn't think they were that strong of a team that year.

already 2 top 50 recruits signed for 2015, we ain't fading nowhere. you let me know when Cuse wins another title instead of the usual fade after a hot start, until then, 3>1.

>already 2 top 50 recruits signed for 2015, we ain't fading
>nowhere. you let me know when Cuse wins another title instead
>of the usual fade after a hot start, until then, 3>1.

Cool, keep me updated on that rivalry with Houston. It can become the "once upon a time" rivalry.

If that's not the case, why does this post exist?

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and he's lost PT this year.

Cal had 5 top 10 recruits and only 1 is a lock for the lottery and only 2 are projecting in the first round.

I dunno fam. If the goal is one and one, sign an NBA contract, some of these cats might not see it the same pretty soon.

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If guys are looking at Poythress and going, "Gee, maybe I will struggle like Poythress under Cal too," then they're not tough enough to make it as a pro anyway, lol.

If Poythress wanted to go pro, he would've gone last year. Period. No matter where he went. His draft position is not a result of Cal's strategy. It's a result of him not being good enough to make it onto the court.

If they stay and improve, stock goes up. If they stay and can't play better than the guys in front of them, stock goes down. Simple.

Archie Goodwin did not live up to expectations. He came into the season projected as a lotto pick, left the season as the 29th pick. And now he's in the NBA. And he can show and prove there. Or he could've stayed and fought for playing time under Cal-- and if he was good enough, you bet your ass he'd be getting more minutes today.

Poythress, if he's unhappy with his draft stock, can do the same. Enter the draft, get drafted in the second, spend some time in the D-League, improve, and fight your way up.

The thing about Cal's guys is... if they really want to be one-and-done, they'll find a team to draft them based on *potential.* If the Harrison twins leave, they'll still find someone in at worst the late first/early second to take a flyer on them, because of their potential. NBA scouts, when it comes to freshmen, don't really give a shit whether their on-the-court production matches their draft position-- they just look at the lucrative potential.

You should know that, rooting for the school that produced Marvin Williams, lol.

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Also a second, a third, a fifth, a sixth, and an eighth!

And a sophomore at eighteenth, and two freshmen at twenty-ninth!

THAT'S TEN UNDERCLASSMEN IN THE FIRST ROUND IN FOUR YEARS.

Even Doron Lamb, an underclassman drafted in the second, seems to have the potential to stick in the league as a role player!

So... yeah. lol

You could argue he "should be getting more out of them" all you want... but his ability to put underclassmen directly into the league really isn't up for debate. And any HS player thinking that needs some different people in his circle, lol.

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we are talking about one and done freshmen.

Half the guys on the list you just trotted out came from ONE championship team. 4 others came from a team that went 35-3.

When the teams win, stock value holds or increases. He's had 2 seasons in 4 years where guys arguably dropped in value. And this year is looking like year 3 of the same.

Does Poythress or the Harrison twins or Young have a better season at another school where there's more continuity, opportunity and team success? In the end, it could be costing these guys millions. Let's not pretend like getting drafted in the lottery is the same as late first/early second round. Like Mich St, L'ville, UConn, etc wouldn't possibly be better places to play, shine, win and hold/improve draft stock isn't likely.

It's the Miami Heat theory...all of these alpha's can't be alpha's on a team with this many guys wanting to go pro after a year in school. It's gonna hurt someone's stock when they have to sacrifice parts of their game and if it's not paying off in a championship run and improved draft position, maybe it's not worth it. I have to think, some of these guys are considering that now.

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Louisville' last five 5-star recruits:

Chane Benahan
Terrence Jennings
Samardo Samuels
Derrick Caracter
Earl Clark

How many of them were lottery picks after freshman year?

MSU's last five 5-star recruits:
Gary Harris
Branden Dawson
Adreian Payne
Delvon Roe
Marquise Gray

How many of them were lottery picks after freshmen year?

UConn's last five 5-star recruits:

DeAndre Daniels
Andre Drummond
Alex Oriakhi
Kemba Walker
Stanley Robinson/Curtis Kelly

Drummond is the sole guy on all three of these lists lotto after freshman year... and he was on a terrible team that lost 14 games!

Guys like Walker and Harris go lotto eventually, but they stick around for an additional season or two, because after their first season, they aren't lotto material. Other guys do the same... but unlike Walker or Harris, their stock continues to sink. Is that the schools' fault?

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How many of those guys were 1st rounders out of hs if they had the option?

I dont know the answer but that seems more relevant to what he is saying

And picking msu as an alternative wasnt a great choice by him. Izzo has had 1 nba player make an all-star team and that was 9 years after he was drafted. Only 2 have ever been solidly planted in an nba starting lineup. He couldnt even get Kalin Lucas to the nba.

His comment was that elite recruits would have a better shot at improving their draft stock at those other schools than under Cal's Kentucky.

And the bottom line is that it's not true across the board. Sure, some players may fit better with other programs on an individual playing style basis, but plenty of elite recruits fail to be one-and-dones everywhere. The majority of elite recruits AREN'T one and dones, or shouldn't be at least-- but Cal has the best record of cranking out one-and-dones into the first round of the draft out of everyone.

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Not everyone is a one and done player or one and done talent.

I'm sure for most of them the goal is to get to the NBA and stay in the NBA.

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One and done is high on your list.

I mean, I agree with you but do these kids see it that way.

Especially if they're getting supplanted by new freshman every season and losing opportunities to play more.

If these guys do want to stay and develop, great but one can't be na�ve and think that it might have been better for their goals to go to a school without as many guys eying the NBA after one season.

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Most kids have unrealistic expectations.

Cal tells the recruits straight up. He's not giving you anything. You're gonna come in and compete with the best.

So, if Alex Poythress comes in and does play well enough to start, he won't.

Next year's class is great. There may be 1 talent there that's one and done.

It's not a UK thing. It's a basketball thing.

I'm sure Lebryan Nash thought he was a One and Done. But 3 years later, he's still playing.

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or late lotto picks if they went to say...unc (given we NEED big guards) and Randle would be closer to #1 if he went to Duke or VA or UCLA or Oklahoma or Mich St or Syracuse and Young would be a lock for the first round if he went to one of those schools too.

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>or late lotto picks if they went to say...unc (given we NEED
>big guards) and Randle would be closer to #1 if he went to
>Duke or VA or UCLA or Oklahoma or Mich St or Syracuse and
>Young would be a lock for the first round if he went to one of
>those schools too.

How would the Twins miraculously play better if they went to another school? Especially UNC.

Name UNC's one and done's? Harrison? Nope. Kendall Marshall? Nope. John Henson? Nope. Felton? Nope. McCants? Nope. Lawson? Nope.

You got Marvin.

And that's if Huckleberry fall back and doesn't guilt them into coming back.

How would Randle be closer to #1? He's firmly in the Top 6 conversation. He's put into an excellent situation to succeed at UK. The only thing is, he doesn't have the chance to show his full game all of the time. How good he is on the perimeter.

Where would he be allowed to that at? Some shitty team that nobody cares about? Sure.

But not a top team that's trying to win.

Young is a lock for the first round right now. Lol. And he hasn't played that well of late.

He'd play better if he was Mich St and be a one and done like....Gary Harris was?

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In the battle for recruits the last few years, UNC mostly competes with UK and Kansas for recruits (oddly, outside of Barnes, Duke and UNC don't really compete much-- or, if they're on the same recruit's list, it's obvious early on where they're going). And they more often than not lose that battle.

Of course, AB's arguments for continuity and/or potential one-and-dones needing UNC are obviously laughable, when you look at stock declines of guys like Barnes (considered a #1 pick one-and-done leaving HS), McAdoo (obvious), Ed Davis (obvious), and others. Isaiah Hicks was a Top 20 recruit, but something tells me one-and-done isn't happening-- should he have gone elsewhere instead of UNC? How can these problems be exclusively Kentucky's when you can find examples of draft stock falling for players at every single school?

And "continuity" discussions are hilarious, considering that Roy JUST did the championship-to-NIT-1st-round-loss thing four seasons ago due to losing all the title players to the draft.

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Let me tell you something...at the Elite 8 when we played UNC. I sat behind this older black dude who had his Carolina blue on. And of course they thought they were gonna smoke us.

Towards the end of the game, when we started pulling away and it was over. And all the UK fans were excited he got up and exited all down and shit.

I said, "Don't worry, you guys will be back, you got Macadoo coming."

He turned and smiled and said, "I know that's right. That's my god son."

He was happy.

He didn't think his god son would be there 3 years later experimenting with facial hair and draft status in question.

Did Reggie Bullock, think he was a one and done. Probably. He wasn't.

Did I miss the PJ beast out his Freshman year?

WTF....

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>How would the Twins miraculously play better if they went to
>another school? Especially UNC.

More opportunity to be offensive focal points. Whole reason Marcus Paige is being talked about and IMO, Paige doesn't have tons of NBA potential. The Harrison boys do.

>Name UNC's one and done's? Harrison? Nope. Kendall Marshall?
>Nope. John Henson? Nope. Felton? Nope. McCants? Nope. Lawson?
>Nope.

UNC ain't never employed the 'stock up on one and done's and hope for the best' strategy. We typically want a guy to play 2-3 seasons before they go pro. Barnes had a shitty freshman year but he WAS a focal point from the outset. He led the team in FGA, MPG, and was second on the team in scoring. He just didn't shoot particularly well. But he STILL woulda been a top 5 pick.

He got reps.

If you take 4 of those 'one and done' type players off of UK and put them at other programs, they possibly get the Barnes treatment. I'm sure if the Harrison boys can take shots out of Randle's hands on a stacked team, on a team less stacked team they'd get more opportunity.

And LMAO at Randle being a top 6 pick but only getting 9 shots a game and we are having this discussion as if him getting 15 shots wouldn't put him closer to 1 than 6 (where he's currently projected).

>Where would he be allowed to that at? Some shitty team that
>nobody cares about? Sure.

A place where other one and done's aren't going for dolo and putting up more shots than him (One of the Harrison boys and Young are shooting much worse but both taking more shots than Randle). He couldn't have got more than 9 shots a game in the pac 12 at UCLA? I'm sure he makes them better than the 22-8 they are now and he prolly gets 5-6 more shots a game.

>But not a top team that's trying to win.
>
>Young is a lock for the first round right now. Lol. And he
>hasn't played that well of late.
>
>He'd play better if he was Mich St and be a one and done
>like....Gary Harris was?

Look I ain't saying anything is guaranteed and it's all based on the players performance obviously but if you ain't getting the 'Barnes' treatment while being a potential one and done AND the team ain't winning...it'd make me weary as a top recruit. I mean:

1 $4,436,900
2 $3,969,800
3 $3,565,000
4 $3,214,200
5 $2,910,600
6 $2,643,600
7 $2,413,300
8 $2,210,900
9 $2,032,300
10 $1,930,600
11 $1,834,100
12 $1,742,400
13 $1,655,300
14 $1,572,600
15 $1,493,800
16 $1,419,200
17 $1,348,200
18 $1,280,800
19 $1,223,200
20 $1,174,200
21 $1,127,200
22 $1,082,200
23 $1,038,900
24 $997,300
25 $957,500
26 $925,700
27 $899,000
28 $893,500
29 $887,000
30 $880,600

Nice drop off from lottery to late first.

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We recruit the same guys for the most part. We recruit a lot of the same guys UNC does, Kansas does, Duke does, Florida does, Arizona does, and Ohio State does.

You went hard at John Wall. So did UK. UK got him.

Cal showed up at Julius Randle's house with his ring. Then Huck showed up with every ring in the state of North Carolina.

You're recruiting Harry Giles hard and so are we.

So we're all fishing for the same fish.

>>How would the Twins miraculously play better if they went
>to
>>another school? Especially UNC.
>
>More opportunity to be offensive focal points. Whole reason
>Marcus Paige is being talked about and IMO, Paige doesn't have
>tons of NBA potential. The Harrison boys do.

The Twins have total offensive freedom at Kentucky. They just have things they need to work on. So, no, they shouldn't have gone to Maryland to be the offensive focal points. They'd be the similar players. Except one thing, they wouldn't be practicing against other good players.

>>Name UNC's one and done's? Harrison? Nope. Kendall Marshall?
>>Nope. John Henson? Nope. Felton? Nope. McCants? Nope.
>Lawson?
>>Nope.
>
>UNC ain't never employed the 'stock up on one and done's and
>hope for the best' strategy. We typically want a guy to play
>2-3 seasons before they go pro. Barnes had a shitty freshman
>year but he WAS a focal point from the outset. He led the
>team in FGA, MPG, and was second on the team in scoring. He
>just didn't shoot particularly well. But he STILL woulda been
>a top 5 pick.
>
>He got reps.
>

Just stop. You're recruiting the same players we are. Your's just aren't panning out and staying longer.

Harrison was ranked higher than all of the guys we have stay.

He was ranked higher than Brandon Knight and he stayed.

And he wouldn't have been a Top 5 pick.

Just stop.

He had flaws. Everyone could see them.

>If you take 4 of those 'one and done' type players off of UK
>and put them at other programs, they possibly get the Barnes
>treatment. I'm sure if the Harrison boys can take shots out
>of Randle's hands on a stacked team, on a team less stacked
>team they'd get more opportunity.
>

>And LMAO at Randle being a top 6 pick but only getting 9 shots
>a game and we are having this discussion as if him getting 15
>shots wouldn't put him closer to 1 than 6 (where he's
>currently projected).
>

How many shots did Anthony Davis get?

I'll wait.

Look it up.





You're back now? Okay.

Yes, Julius Randle isn't slipping because of a lack of shots. He's slipping because he doesn't quite know how to use all of his gifts yet. He's too dependent on his spin move. He's not a good passer out of double teams. He can't find the gaps in the defense. He's taking too long with his offensive moves.

Those are the things he needs to work on.

Not more shots.

>>Where would he be allowed to that at? Some shitty team that
>>nobody cares about? Sure.
>
>A place where other one and done's aren't going for dolo and
>putting up more shots than him (One of the Harrison boys and
>Young are shooting much worse but both taking more shots than
>Randle). He couldn't have got more than 9 shots a game in the
>pac 12 at UCLA? I'm sure he makes them better than the 22-8
>they are now and he prolly gets 5-6 more shots a game.
>

At UCLA, like how Shabbazz balled out last year?

Or wait, Kyle Anderson who probably thought he was a one and done balled out?


>>But not a top team that's trying to win.
>>
>>Young is a lock for the first round right now. Lol. And he
>>hasn't played that well of late.
>>
>>He'd play better if he was Mich St and be a one and done
>>like....Gary Harris was?
>
>Look I ain't saying anything is guaranteed and it's all based
>on the players performance obviously but if you ain't getting
>the 'Barnes' treatment while being a potential one and done
>AND the team ain't winning...it'd make me weary as a top
>recruit. I mean:
>
>1 $4,436,900
>2 $3,969,800
>3 $3,565,000
>4 $3,214,200
>5 $2,910,600
>6 $2,643,600
>7 $2,413,300
>8 $2,210,900
>9 $2,032,300
>10 $1,930,600
>11 $1,834,100
>12 $1,742,400
>13 $1,655,300
>14 $1,572,600
>15 $1,493,800
>16 $1,419,200
>17 $1,348,200
>18 $1,280,800
>19 $1,223,200
>20 $1,174,200
>21 $1,127,200
>22 $1,082,200
>23 $1,038,900
>24 $997,300
>25 $957,500
>26 $925,700
>27 $899,000
>28 $893,500
>29 $887,000
>30 $880,600
>
>Nice drop off from lottery to late first.
>

That is all irrelevant. Some players aren't one and done players even if they're High School All-Americans. UNC's roster is full of them. I'm sure you know this.

Stop paying attention to buzz words. You're smarter than that.

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I know what you and Frank are saying. My thing is, will perception become reality with Cal and UK eventually. One too many guys slip and there you go.

To your Davis point...he wasn't as offensively developed as Randle at this point. Different players. Same with Nerlens. Randle SHOULD be getting more shots (especially given UK isn't as good as the team Davis was on).

And yeah, Harrison would have been top 3 easily and possibly #1 in 2011.

Kyrie might have had a legit case but considering he missed a big portion of the season, a case coulda been made for Barnes over him. Williams only got to #2 off of handling Duke in the tourney. Kanter was #3.

Even with his off shot his Freshman year, he had a good case for #1 that year but at worse #3, more likely #2.

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What top recruit is going to look at UK and think, "Man, I could be the next Archie Goodwin or Alex Proythress"? Most are thinking, "I'm AD, Nerlens, or Randle. I'm going lotto even if we don't win."

Yes, this One-and-Done mode probably hurt when it comes to getting mid-level guys but some of the top recruits will turn out to be mid-level guys and could end up staying three years anyway.

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If he doesn't get em, someone else will.

Hard to believe this is an actual discussion.

I cant stand dude, but he's a heck of a coach and recruiter.

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on the horizon.

This is more about the fact that one-and-done type freshman may not want to go to UK in flock as they are now if guys keep getting their draft stock hurt by 'Miami heat theory' and underachieving teams (relative to evaluated talent coming in).

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No one in america has done less with more over the last 18 months than Cal.

I could be a penn state fan and still see that

It's not easy to win when you replace most of your team from year to the next with 17 yr olds.

That's fact.

You being mad and losing is TOTALLY relevant. Same as it would be for a Penn State fan.

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Michigan was THEEE worst comparison you could have made

Because instead of replacing those 2, and the 5* C lost to injury, with 5* recruits its been:

A freshman PG outside of the top 50 platooning with an unranked sophomore who hit 5 3's in the NC game last year

A 2* sophomore guard who was an Ohio U decommit

And 2 injury plagued instate big men whose combined offers were Providence, Alabama, Oakland, Xavier, and Central Michigan.

All they just did was win an outright championship in the toughest league in america before the season has even ended. Whats Kentucky been up to in that timeframe?

Michigan fans are winning in a serious way. Kentucky fans, by comparison, are not.

Did you bring back the white sg and GRIII?

Okay... so it's not the same.

Is Michigan a school with the most eyes on their basketball team?

Nope.

You hyping up a fucking Conference Title. Nobody that's a Kentucky fan gives a fuck about a Conference Title.

They barely give a fuck about the Final Four.

And Michigan hasn't won a Championship since Rumeal Robinson had good credit.

So again....WTF are you talking about?

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>Did you bring back the white sg and GRIII?
>Okay... so it's not the same.

If its not the same its because Calipari couldnt keep his roster together. Its not blind luck.

>Is Michigan a school with the most eyes on their basketball
>team?
>Nope.

You dont have a coach good enough to manage the effects of media attention?

>You hyping up a fucking Conference Title. Nobody that's a
>Kentucky fan gives a fuck about a Conference Title.

I know...no one else cares about the SEC champion either lol

>They barely give a fuck about the Final Four.
>And Michigan hasn't won a Championship since Rumeal Robinson
>had good credit.
>So again....WTF are you talking about?

Thats all well and good that anthony davis carried UK to a chip. But im living in the now bro. UMs last post season loss was the national championship game. UK's was in the first eound...of the NIT...to Robert Morris.

>>Did you bring back the white sg and GRIII?
>>Okay... so it's not the same.
>
>If its not the same its because Calipari couldnt keep his
>roster together. Its not blind luck.

Keep his roster together?

They won a title. Players wanted to go pro. Cal is not going to stop them from going pro. He's going to give them real advice. MKG wanted to come back. But Cal told him he'd be a top 3 pick. And you can't pass that up.

The top 6 from that team left.

Noel got hurt. Left. Archie was going first and he left. Kyle transferred.

What do you want Cal to do? Force kids to come back?

Lol

>>Is Michigan a school with the most eyes on their basketball
>>team?
>>Nope.
>
>You dont have a coach good enough to manage the effects of
>media attention?
>

It's the kids. The kids have trouble dealing with all of the attention.

It's impossible to shield them from that. It's Kentucky basketball.

>>You hyping up a fucking Conference Title. Nobody that's a
>>Kentucky fan gives a fuck about a Conference Title.
>
>I know...no one else cares about the SEC champion either lol

Okay. So?

>>They barely give a fuck about the Final Four.
>>And Michigan hasn't won a Championship since Rumeal Robinson
>>had good credit.
>>So again....WTF are you talking about?
>
>Thats all well and good that anthony davis carried UK to a
>chip. But im living in the now bro. UMs last post season
>loss was the national championship game. UK's was in the
>first eound...of the NIT...to Robert Morris.

No, the team won a National Title. In fact, we've won 3 since you've won 1.

So there's that.

And congrats on losing in a National Title game. That's something....I guess.

But once again, Kentucky and Michigan are not the same.

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And really WCS, a soph, plays more than Dakari.

Shit ain't rocket science.

If players stay, then they'll have more experience next year.

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Cal has built his entire career on the backs of one-and-done players, but he's never had a successful team without at least one or two strong veterans as well.

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his first yr: 5 freshmen (I think 2 started)
2nd yr: 5 freshmen (3 started)
3rd yr: 6 freshmen (4 started)
4th yr: 4 freshmen (3 started)
this yr: 9 freshmen (5 start)

Plus he's overly reliant on freshmen this year.

See if this was 1990, I wouldn't even have posed this question. UNLV and Michigan were kinda on this then too but those guys played a few seasons. Of the 9 freshmen Cal brought in, at least 6 were looking at 1 and done (maybe more).

Like how effective can a team be when eventually they're playing in what is the equivalent of a contract year (breeds some selfish play)?

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It's a high risk/high reward tactic. Some years you are going to get Anthony Davis an MKG, some years you won't be as good.

I am getting tired of the young/new players excuse though. No one is going to feel sorry for you when you are getting all the top recruits.

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is how I felt after watching that game

they beat Wichita St because of offensive rebounds and some timely 3's.
of course, if Wichita St hits the last shot, they advance...

but Louisville controlled the entire game

it came down to the simplest aspect of basketball: free throws.
not clutch FTs down the stretch, but during the entire game

Louisville shot almost 50% from the floor but went only 13-23 from the line

in contrast, Kantucky went 22-27

and with that anomaly, they March on

Louisville's pressure and relentlessness seemed to always keep them up by 5-6...and it seemed UK couldn't crack that 2 point deficit...

But they stayed in the game...Harrison was making big plays all game, they got the stops they needed, Randle made some huge plays down the stretch (that block shouldn't have been a fuckin foul!) and they won...hell of an effort

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is a bad idea. especially since he will be stuck with them for a couple years since no one will even consider drafting them this year. if they stay 4 years they could turn into nice andre miller type guards in the league and play for 10 years though. but right now they dumb, slow, cant jump, cant dribble, cant shoot, cant pass, cant defend, but they do a good job of body seeking and getting to the line though.

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