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deezy
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"teams claiming they like Carr over Manziel, diversion?"
Sun Mar-02-14 08:53 PM by deezy

          

first Cleveland, now the Raiders supposedly have Carr ranked ahead of Johnny

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330204/article/report-raiders-like-derek-carr-over-johnny-manziel

it's not unfathomable. Carr ran just as fast at the combine.
the tape shows he's elusive with the ability to extend plays.
he was *the* guy on his squad and got total effort from his teammates.
he's a bit bigger than Manziel, but he doesn't have the hype

not sure what his decision-making was like as far as making reads
and smart decisions, but if that checks out, he could be a surprise on draft night

Carr highlights: http://youtu.be/y5wr82ZRUjc?t=25s

includes a couple of throws where the ball travels 60 yds in the air,
him juking several defenders, and a number of quick back shoulder passes in the red zone

the 60 yd throw at 3:04 is particularly impressive as he barely had
an opportunity to step into it

  

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It's wrong and unfair, but I hold being David Carr's brother against him
Mar 02nd 2014
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I figured as these guys start working out...
Mar 02nd 2014
2
Stop.
Mar 04th 2014
5
Browns didn't interview Manziel at combine (link)
Mar 04th 2014
3
I figured it was a diversion a la Nassib hype.
Mar 04th 2014
4
LOL. No.
Mar 04th 2014
6
      How insightful
Mar 04th 2014
7
Carr beasted his pro day despite recovering from stomach flu
Mar 20th 2014
8
I kinda wanted the Raiders to go defense, but I'm intrigued.
Mar 20th 2014
9
rumor is, y'all trying to get Schaub
Mar 20th 2014
10
      If Mack & Clowney aren't there. I'd trade down.
Mar 20th 2014
11
           There's a pretty good chance Carr's not even a first rounder
Mar 20th 2014
12
                Then trade down to whenever. Just in case this pro day.....
Mar 20th 2014
13
He's not a first rounder RIGHT TODAY
Mar 20th 2014
14
Manziel is a 5'11" whiteboy party animal who relies on his legs
Mar 21st 2014
15
sounds like a perfect fit for the cowboys
Mar 21st 2014
16
See I'm torn. I wouldn't want him on my team but the Make 'em Mad Factor...
Mar 21st 2014
17
      the make 'em mad factor will be on whatever team drafts him early
Mar 21st 2014
18

KosherSam
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1. "It's wrong and unfair, but I hold being David Carr's brother against him"
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*Jews you*

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Warren Coolidge
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2. "I figured as these guys start working out..."
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and the experts start breaking the tape down...

I figured Johnny stock would fall behind at least a couple of guys...

he's probably the 4th best QB prospect right now.....

  

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5. "Stop."
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deezy
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3. "Browns didn't interview Manziel at combine (link)"
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000330545/article/cleveland-browns-didnt-interview-johnny-manziel-at-combine

  

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4. "I figured it was a diversion a la Nassib hype."
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The biggest question mark to Carr is how he can perform when pressured. It isn't a huge question mark IMO, but the USC game highlighted it. But

His release is very quick, and the offensive design also calls for this, so there aren't a lot of examples of him having to hang in the pocket or roll out and make a play. Most of the time, when he had to create time for himself, he did make a play, but it was not something he had to do consistently.

Apples to apples, homer slant obviously, but I'd take Carr over Bridgewater or Bortles. I believe he's athletically superior and matches or exceeds those guys in passing ability, consistency, and leadership. A comparison to Manziel is apples to oranges, imo... but I'd probably take Manziel if I had to pick one. Carr is more dangerous within 40 yards of the end zone, but Manziel is a threat to score from anywhere on the field.


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6. "LOL. No. "
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>Apples to apples, homer slant obviously, but I'd take Carr
>over Bridgewater or Bortles. I believe he's athletically
>superior and matches or exceeds those guys in passing ability,
>consistency, and leadership. A comparison to Manziel is
>apples to oranges, imo... but I'd probably take Manziel if I
>had to pick one. Carr is more dangerous within 40 yards of
>the end zone, but Manziel is a threat to score from anywhere
>on the field.

Lol





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7. "How insightful"
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>>Apples to apples, homer slant obviously, but I'd take Carr
>>over Bridgewater or Bortles. I believe he's athletically
>>superior and matches or exceeds those guys in passing
>ability,
>>consistency, and leadership. A comparison to Manziel is
>>apples to oranges, imo... but I'd probably take Manziel if I
>>had to pick one. Carr is more dangerous within 40 yards of
>>the end zone, but Manziel is a threat to score from anywhere
>>on the field.
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>Lol
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deezy
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8. "Carr beasted his pro day despite recovering from stomach flu"
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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24493539/pro-day-despite-nausea-derek-carr-didnt-have-a-bad-throw

  

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9. "I kinda wanted the Raiders to go defense, but I'm intrigued. "
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Clowney, Mack. If they're not available go Carr.

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deezy
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10. "rumor is, y'all trying to get Schaub"
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at #5 there will be a dozen "can't miss," Pro-Bowl caliber players on the board.
I'd be shocked if Carr got chosen that early

  

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11. "If Mack & Clowney aren't there. I'd trade down."
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An OT seems out of the question now.
I wouldn't want to grab Watkins.
Trade down and get Carr before the Vikings or somebody else gets him.

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12. "There's a pretty good chance Carr's not even a first rounder"
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13. "Then trade down to whenever. Just in case this pro day....."
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made him leap some guys. We need more picks anyway.

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14. "He's not a first rounder RIGHT TODAY"
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That's not to say he couldn't have a damn-near-decade-Alex-Smith career. If the team that drafts him, keeps him around long enough he'll be successful. I'm hedging until I see his last preseason game.

If my teams draft any of the following people in the first two rounds I'll be pissed:

JFF (Romo Jr.)
Bortles
Aaron Murray (by the end of the second round)
Logan Thomas (Just in case he goes in the second)
AJ McCarron

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15. "Manziel is a 5'11" whiteboy party animal who relies on his legs"
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to get out of trouble and doesn't like to throw from the pocket.

I will draft any QB prospect over him because I already know that shit ain't gonna work.

  

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16. "sounds like a perfect fit for the cowboys"
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im sure jerruh was trying to find a way

  

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17. "See I'm torn. I wouldn't want him on my team but the Make 'em Mad Factor..."
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is so high with him, in the event that was good it would be glorious.

He would do something gif worthy every week.

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18. "the make 'em mad factor will be on whatever team drafts him early"
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I like the kid but there is no way that shit is gonna work in the NFL.

  

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