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"Baseball HOF: Maddux won't be unanimous thanks to Dodgers asshole"


          

Dodgers beatwritter home-teamed it and only voted for Jack Morris. His rationale:

KEN GURNICK, Dodgers beat reporter
Morris

Morris has flaws -- a 3.90 ERA, for example. But he gets my vote for more than a decade of ace performance that included three 20-win seasons, Cy Young Award votes in seven seasons and Most Valuable Player Award votes in five. As for those who played during the period of PED use, I won't vote for any of them.






Right, because when you think of PEDs you think of Greg Maddux's 88 MPH fastball.

What a dick.


  

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if you're a member of the BBWWA it's like 80/20 you're a douche
Jan 08th 2014
1
WAIT.. as in Greg Maddox? Not a 1st ballot? GTFO!!
Jan 08th 2014
2
He'll be first ballot, just not unanimous
Jan 08th 2014
3
      lulz.. i misread.. but even that's pure bullshit... GTFO!!!
Jan 08th 2014
44
http://tinyurl.com/n8bl28b <-- "Yep" (c) Floyd
Jan 08th 2014
4
The above dumbass just got internet-famous with his awful ballot
Jan 08th 2014
5
Ole boy ain't tryna make a point about Jack Morris?
Jan 08th 2014
6
      That's what I initially thought as well...could still be true too
Jan 08th 2014
7
      That's a good point, his career overlapped with Maddux's considerably
Jan 08th 2014
8
           It's Morris' last year on the ballot
Jan 08th 2014
9
                This is what I thought...Morris is one of these dudes with zealots
Jan 08th 2014
10
                     there are people who won't vote for a closer. Jeter might be the first
Jan 08th 2014
13
                          Dog....no way.....snobs will be out in FULL FORCE when it comes to Jeter
Jan 08th 2014
15
                               I hope so. I'll cry if Jeter is the first unanimous entry
Jan 08th 2014
22
There are people who REFUSE to vote for anyone 1st time
Jan 08th 2014
40
he should lose his vote for using it as a corny tool of self promotion
Jan 08th 2014
11
hard to take the HOF seriously if guys like this are allowed a vote
Jan 08th 2014
12
How is a Dodger reporter talking up Jack Morris home-teaming it?
Jan 08th 2014
14
I've got this in my record collection too
Jan 08th 2014
28
who doesn't, Maddux mighta been worse than Clemons come playoff time
Jan 08th 2014
43
Regular season? Hell no
Jan 08th 2014
31
If I'm trying to win a big-game I give him the ball over Greg Maddux
Jan 08th 2014
41
I agree with both the question and the thoughts on Jack
Jan 08th 2014
36
Just announced; Maddux, Glavin and Frank Thomas get in.
Jan 08th 2014
16
Maddux only gets 97.2%...haters gonna hate
Jan 08th 2014
17
wonderful class, thomas and maddux were my favorite players
Jan 08th 2014
18
you don't enjoy Albany's wonderfully gothic architecturized charm?
Jan 08th 2014
24
I got trapped in The Desmond for my second week on the job.
Jul 27th 2014
57
Because I saw him play at Auburn
Jan 08th 2014
27
Take a tour of Ommegang while you're there.
Jul 27th 2014
55
whoo hoo! Smoltz up next!
Jan 08th 2014
19
Piazza was robbed
Jan 08th 2014
21
Kinda surprised Biggio didn't get in, but I have no problems with these ...
Jan 08th 2014
23
Wait, Only THREE Players Got In?
Jan 08th 2014
25
Last time three got in was 1999. Last time four got in was 1955
Jan 08th 2014
38
Dope class! But Biggio tho!
Jan 08th 2014
26
      74.8
Jan 08th 2014
29
Easily the worst process in all of sports
Jan 08th 2014
20
the process is fine, the people who control it are the worst
Jan 09th 2014
45
      And brag about it, that's the worst parrt
Jan 10th 2014
49
Dan Le Batard turned his vote over to deadspin (swipe)
Jan 08th 2014
30
LeBatard Has Some JUEVOS! (c) Cerrano
Jan 08th 2014
34
a baseball writer has already basically called him a 'tard'
Jan 08th 2014
35
      It really is...
Jan 08th 2014
37
i really love that dude as a sports personality
Jan 08th 2014
42
Le Batard loses vote for life!
Jan 09th 2014
46
      if i was LeBatard i would go * IN * on the BBWAA
Jan 09th 2014
47
      Worth it.
Jan 09th 2014
48
      He made a louder stand doing this then those cranky mofos
Jan 10th 2014
50
      RUN THE POINT NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 10th 2014
51
      Here is what I find infuriating about the entire situation
Jan 10th 2014
52
Biggio got hosed. nm
Jan 08th 2014
32
Big Hurt in....
Jan 08th 2014
33
Jack Morris' dominate years were in the 80s, is this guy insinuating
Jan 08th 2014
39
Braves fans turned out in big numbers for this!
Jul 27th 2014
53
That's a first if it happened n/m
Jul 27th 2014
58
the writers need to be ousted from the process. fuck them.
Jul 27th 2014
54
n/m
Jul 27th 2014
56
.
Jul 28th 2014
59
the contrast between the dark and gray in Maddux hair
Jul 28th 2014
60

veritas
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1. "if you're a member of the BBWWA it's like 80/20 you're a douche"
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these guys are all just dinosaurs and it's the worst.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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2. "WAIT.. as in Greg Maddox? Not a 1st ballot? GTFO!!"
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3. "He'll be first ballot, just not unanimous "
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44. "lulz.. i misread.. but even that's pure bullshit... GTFO!!!"
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4. "http://tinyurl.com/n8bl28b <-- "Yep" (c) Floyd"
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http://tinyurl.com/n8bl28b

He'll be the first unanimous ever

Don't be mad, be glad

PS: Nah, this Maddux shit is stupid...obviously he
deserves it unanimously

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5. "The above dumbass just got internet-famous with his awful ballot"
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Using a principle that would actually exclude Rivera even more than it does Maddux. Somebody will find a reason not to vote for Rivera. Probably using the same insane troll logic.

A better reason for one or more people to not vote for him would be that, on the stacked ballot he could face if we keep rolling over Bonds, Clemens, etc., he wouldn't be one of the 10th best players. That point is arguable, obviously, but he'd be 17th by WAR on this present ballot. So it's not impossible to make.

Though this is mostly a reason to elect more players unanimously after whoever is first. So maybe Rivera would be perfect. That's been a dumb milestone for way too long.

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6. "Ole boy ain't tryna make a point about Jack Morris? "
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>Using a principle that would actually exclude Rivera even
>more than it does Maddux. Somebody will find a reason not to
>vote for Rivera. Probably using the same insane troll logic.
>
>A better reason for one or more people to not vote for him
>would be that, on the stacked ballot he could face if we keep
>rolling over Bonds, Clemens, etc., he wouldn't be one of the
>10th best players. That point is arguable, obviously, but he'd
>be 17th by WAR on this present ballot. So it's not impossible
>to make.
>
>Though this is mostly a reason to elect more players
>unanimously after whoever is first. So maybe Rivera would be
>perfect. That's been a dumb milestone for way too long.

Yeah I'm realizing I don't know how this shit works nearly
as well as I think....lemme research HOF voting



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7. "That's what I initially thought as well...could still be true too"
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Just usin them roids as escape goats

  

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8. "That's a good point, his career overlapped with Maddux's considerably"
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Taking him at his word was a bit too credulous on my part. Voting for Jack Morris says way more than the nonsense about Maddux and PEDs.

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9. "It's Morris' last year on the ballot"
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The guy knew that he's not getting in, obviously, so wanted to make his final ballot a tribute. Including that PED crap was clearly not thought through well.

  

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10. "This is what I thought...Morris is one of these dudes with zealots"
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>The guy knew that he's not getting in, obviously, so wanted
>to make his final ballot a tribute. Including that PED crap
>was clearly not thought through well.

The Peds thing made some people hold on to cats like him
more closely than they would normally

That's how I interpreted it

That being the case, i'm thinking Mariano might get that
unanny

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13. "there are people who won't vote for a closer. Jeter might be the first"
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*Jews you*

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15. "Dog....no way.....snobs will be out in FULL FORCE when it comes to Jeter"
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That Justin Morneau MVP bullshit job from 2000 something
was the sign of the times...they outright ROBBED Jeter
on some retribution for Yankee preferential treatment
in the past

Snobs ain't having that shit

He ain't getting more votes than Biggio, hail no


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22. "I hope so. I'll cry if Jeter is the first unanimous entry"
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*Jews you*

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Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

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40. "There are people who REFUSE to vote for anyone 1st time"
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Mo should be unanimous but I'd bet anything he isn't. These voters are assholes

  

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11. "he should lose his vote for using it as a corny tool of self promotion"
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and going over the top to deny someone what they deserve richly

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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12. "hard to take the HOF seriously if guys like this are allowed a vote"
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14. "How is a Dodger reporter talking up Jack Morris home-teaming it?"
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Just for the record, Hall of Fame or not Jack Morris was a fucking G & if I'm trying to win a big-game I give him the ball over Greg Maddux every day of the week despite Maddux obviously having a better career.

  

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28. "I've got this in my record collection too"
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>Just for the record, Hall of Fame or not Jack Morris was a
>fucking G & if I'm trying to win a big-game I give him the
>ball over Greg Maddux every day of the week despite Maddux
>obviously having a better career.

  

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43. "who doesn't, Maddux mighta been worse than Clemons come playoff time"
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And I put Jack Morris on that short list of the most lights-out, big-spot, pitch-nine-innings-of-one-or-no-run-if-they-have-to-types in the same scenario like Dave Stewart, John Smoltz, Orel Hersheiser, Curt Schilling.

  

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31. "Regular season? Hell no"
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And it's not even close. Jack Morris use to get hammered a lot.

I'll take Maddux everytime

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41. "If I'm trying to win a big-game I give him the ball over Greg Maddux"
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that was my statement.

when do you think such games are generally played & the term applied?

  

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36. "I agree with both the question and the thoughts on Jack"
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His time is coming

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16. "Just announced; Maddux, Glavin and Frank Thomas get in."
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That is all

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17. "Maddux only gets 97.2%...haters gonna hate"
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18. "wonderful class, thomas and maddux were my favorite players"
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as a kid, hands down, i might have to fuck around and go to this induction. that would require going to a non-NYC part of NY though, which is always a disaster.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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24. "you don't enjoy Albany's wonderfully gothic architecturized charm?"
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Felt the heat generated from a hotly contested A-10 matchup on Bob Lanier Court in Olean, New York?

Never got lifted off some of that northeast good weed with the hippies up in Ithaca?

I'm mostly kidding but it's still better than Mass or Connecticut.

  

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57. "I got trapped in The Desmond for my second week on the job."
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>Felt the heat generated from a hotly contested A-10 matchup
>on Bob Lanier Court in Olean, New York?
>
>Never got lifted off some of that northeast good weed with the
>hippies up in Ithaca?

No weed to be found and we'd kill a 30 pack of LaBleu every night to ease the pain
Albany is *shivers*

  

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27. "Because I saw him play at Auburn"
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I became a life long Big Hurt fan. I didnt care who drafted him, I was a fan.

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19. "whoo hoo! Smoltz up next!"
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21. "Piazza was robbed"
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*Jews you*

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23. "Kinda surprised Biggio didn't get in, but I have no problems with these ..."
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25. "Wait, Only THREE Players Got In?"
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WTF? There are easily 8 or 9 on this years ballot, EASY

I want to see the cats that didn't vote for Maddux...this HOF shit is truly out of control (c) Common

  

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38. "Last time three got in was 1999. Last time four got in was 1955"
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One or two getting voted in by sports writers is usually the norm.

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26. "Dope class! But Biggio tho! "
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Low key he was one of my faves

I was one of those Catcher-Second Base hybrids

I fux with dude tough

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29. "74.8"
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20. "Easily the worst process in all of sports"
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45. "the process is fine, the people who control it are the worst"
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they should strive for voters who will sit down and fairly evaluate each player not ones who are KNOWN to go in with sanctamonious agendas.

  

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49. "And brag about it, that's the worst parrt"
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>they should strive for voters who will sit down and fairly
>evaluate each player not ones who are KNOWN to go in with
>sanctamonious agendas.


Every year some writer makes himself famous as they all write articles about why they voted so shitty.

  

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30. "Dan Le Batard turned his vote over to deadspin (swipe)"
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swiped it but it's better to just read the link.

http://deadspin.com/revealed-the-hall-of-fame-voter-who-turned-his-ballot-1496558341?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Revealed: The Hall Of Fame Voter Who Turned His Ballot Over To Deadspin

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Recently, as you may recall, we announced our plan to subvert the annual elections for baseball's Hall of Fame by buying votes from voters. Our… Read…

Now that the Baseball Writers' Association of America has announced the results of this year's Hall of Fame election—Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, and Frank Thomas made it—it's time for us to reveal, as promised, the Deadspin ballot, as well as the voter who joined us in making a farce and mockery of the increasingly solemn election process by turning his vote over to you, the readers.

To begin with, you voted for Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, Tom Glavine, Mike Piazza, Craig Biggio, Edgar Martínez, Jeff Bagwell, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, and Curt Schilling. Well done, readers! Tim Raines, Mark McGwire, and Don Mattingly all came close, but couldn't quite crack the ballot; you can check the full results below.

As to the identity of our voter, a bit of context is probably necessary. When we first came up with the idea of buying a ballot from a veteran baseball writer and turning it over to the public, we had two principal aims.
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The first was to draw attention to how ridiculous the Hall of Fame elections have become. With an electorate comprising a subset of a subset of a subset of the baseball press and a 75 percent threshold for entry into the Hall, the process has been hijacked by cranks, attention-seeking trolls, and the merely perplexed—people who exercise power out of proportion to their numbers due to the perverse structure of the voting. Further, the bad process has led to the process itself becoming the focal point of the process, at the expense of baseball. (Over the last month, you probably read a lot more columns in which anguished writers laid out their feelings about other anguished writers' feelings about drugs and/or the outdated voting process than you did appreciations of Hideo Nomo's fine and important career.)

The second was to turn a small bit of power over to the public for the sake of doing so. Much of the reason why the Hall of Fame process has become so contentious is that it's plainly absurd that veteran baseball writers get a say denied to everyone else from Bill James to small children. This isn't about whether the writers make good or bad choices, but about whether it's legitimate for them to lord over an institution that's supposed to be a repository of cultural memory.

At any rate, having announced our intentions, we heard from several voters, and worked out a deal to purchase a ballot from one of them. This voter agreed with our criticism of the process, and he/she was further motivated by a desire to raise funds for a worthy cause. Meanwhile, we put some work into arranging a bloc of voters who would all cast their ballots on behalf of Deadspin readers. That didn't happen, but we were able to secure a failsafe vote. This voter also agreed with our aims, but didn't want to jeopardize his franchise for the sake of a protest if we'd already secured a ballot; he was concerned, too, about being seen as a self-promoter or profiteer. He agreed, however, to turn over his vote to us if our initial purchase fell through.

Unfortunately, it did, through no fault of ours or the voter. (We'd like to be more specific about the reason for this, but don't want to expose the identity of the voter, as we intend to buy his or her vote in exchange for a substantial contribution to charity next year.) And, happily, our failsafe voter did come through, and we can now reveal his identity: It's Dan Le Batard, the respected ESPNer and longtime Miami Herald columnist. Why did he agree to take part in this farce? Here's Dan to explain:

I feel like my vote has gotten pretty worthless in the avalanche of sanctimony that has swallowed it.

I have no earthly idea if Jeff Bagwell or Frank Thomas did or didn't use steroids.

I think I understand why the steroid guys were the steroid guys in this competition-aholic culture.

I hate all the moralizing we do in sports in general, but I especially hate the hypocrisy in this: Many of the gatekeeper voters denying Barry Bonds Hall Of Fame entry would have they themselves taken a magical, healing, not-tested-for-in-their-workplace elixir if it made them better at their jobs, especially if lesser talents were getting the glory and money. Lord knows I'd take the elixir for our ESPN2 TV show if I could.

I don't think I'm any more qualified to determine who is Hall of Fame-worthy than a fan who cares about and really knows baseball. In fact, many people analyzing baseball with advanced metrics outside of mainstream media are doing a better job than mainstream media, and have taught us some things in recent years when we were behind. In other words, just because we went to journalism school and covered a few games, just because accepted outlets gave us their platform and power, I don't think we should have the pulpit to ourselves in 2014 that way we did in 1936.

Baseball is always reticent to change, but our flawed voting process needs remodeling in a new media world. Besides, every year the power is abused the way I'm going to be alleged to abuse it here. There's never been a unanimous first-ballot guy? Seriously? If Ruth and Mays and Schmidt aren't that, then what is? This year, someone is going to leave one of the five best pitchers ever off the ballot. Suck it, Greg Maddux.

I've become a more and more lenient voter over the years, often allowing the max 10 guys in a year, and I wanted to put in more this year. I happen to agree with most of the reader selections. I was afraid you guys were going to have me voting for Jacque Jones and no one else. I was kind of surprised this particular snark-land respected the process. I found it impossible to limit it this year to 10, but 10 was all that was allowed, so thanks for the help. But why limit it to 10 in a year that has more than 10 worthy candidates, by the way? How dumb is that?

And my final reason: I always like a little anarchy inside the cathedral we've made of sports.

I'm not sure what kind of trouble this is going to bring me. I imagine I'll probably have my vote stripped. But I don't want to be a part of the present climate without reform anyway. Given that climate, doing THIS has more impact than my next 20 years of votes as sanctimony bars the HOF door on the steroid guys. Because, in a climate without reform, my next 20 years of votes will be counted but not actually heard. At least this gets it heard, for better or for worse.

Thanks to Dan for this perfect explanation of the problems with the Hall of Fame, and for turning his vote over to Deadspin readers.
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With that said, a few items of business remain. First, the full results of our balloting. We'll be analyzing them in more granular detail in a future post, but here's how you guys voted, with the percentages, which make a good comparison to the BBWAA results. (Remember that we asked you to vote yes or no on the Hall-worthiness of these players, with the understanding that we would then use the ballot to vote for players who secured a majority, and the 10 with the highest percentages if—as turned out to be the case—more than 10 cracked 50 percent.)

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Second, while we weren't able to fulfill our ambition of publishing an article on every player on the ballot before our vote was due, we'll be continuing our Price of Fame series through the winter. We've already run lots of great posts from friends of the site like Rob Neyer, Ken Tremendous, and David Roth; thanks to all of them and the contributors we have lined up for future editions for their wonderful appreciations of players both famous and less than famous.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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34. "LeBatard Has Some JUEVOS! (c) Cerrano"
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I remember when the story came out that the anonymous voter sold his vote and the baseball media wanted to rip him to shreds

The fact that the fans had as good, if not a better (or at least much more fair and balanced) ballot than a good chunk of the actual voters is telling

  

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35. "a baseball writer has already basically called him a 'tard'"
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this is going to get good.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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37. "It really is..."
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Deadspin ‏@Deadspin 4m
"Santimonious"? Fuk off. RT @JonHeymanCBS Shame on the santimonious attention seeker who turned his vote over to a website. #sad

  

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42. "i really love that dude as a sports personality"
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I remember when the vote was 1st acquired and he said on his radio show that he knew about it, he would have volunteered to give it up. The write up on the reason he did it is spot on

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46. "Le Batard loses vote for life!"
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http://deadspin.com/dan-le-batard-loses-hall-of-fame-vote-suspended-from-b-1498090172

  

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47. "if i was LeBatard i would go * IN * on the BBWAA"
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i mean, i don't know if there's any point, everyone already knows how ludicrous the BBWAA is, but still.

  

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48. "Worth it."
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50. "He made a louder stand doing this then those cranky mofos "
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And that idiot who didn't vote in Greg pretty much preemptively justified his actions.

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51. "RUN THE POINT NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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PSN ID - dirty_MF_bucks

  

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52. "Here is what I find infuriating about the entire situation"
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LeBatard is that dude in my opinion. I love his radio show. He was trying to create a dialogue on how ridiculous it is that guys like Bonds, Clemens, Palmiero, etc. are being punished. He also wanted to highlight how stupid some of these writers are. In fact, one writer said he'd NEVER vote for a guy that played during the "steroid" era and this stance cost Biggio (he missed by only 2 votes).

Now, what Dan did was to create a conversation and he was successful. But compare the ballot he turned in versus other writers and it's virtually identical. Hell, he had Tim Kurkjian on to discuss this and compare ballots. What they turned in was identical except for 2 players.

Kurkjian had Morris and LeBatard had Schilling
Kurkjian had Raines and LeBatard had Edgar Martinez

That's it, the other 10 were identical. But what I really find funny is LeBatard's Tweet this morning:

"There's something funny in me protesting the sanctimonious banning of steroid guys -- and then being sanctimoniously banned for it."

I find it more egregious that writers won't vote for guys just because they feel "nobody should be a first ballot HOFer." See, the writer that didn't vote for Maddux as a recent example of this.

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32. "Biggio got hosed. nm"
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33. "Big Hurt in...."
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I'm happy....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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39. "Jack Morris' dominate years were in the 80s, is this guy insinuating"
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that NOBODY was using steroids in the 80s?

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRBrWr2iraOhq6tNyLPAHwDWitpQslhktPNZu2wdcaOhIlZjltVSw

how do we know that Jack Morris wasn't using steroids?

It's an idiodic stance to take when you can't define what and/or who you are taking a stand for

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53. "Braves fans turned out in big numbers for this!"
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Whos watching

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58. "That's a first if it happened n/m"
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54. "the writers need to be ousted from the process. fuck them."
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56. "n/m"
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59. "."
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60. "the contrast between the dark and gray in Maddux hair"
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was pretty stark...

look like he's dye-jobbing it...

  

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