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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9658208/nfl-hot-read-how-do-young-qbs-become-great

Our experts rank five stars and predict which one will burn the brightest

By Jeffri Chadiha | ESPN.com

George Whitfield preached, prodded and pulled every last tactic out of his endless imagination to prepare a talented quarterback named Andrew Luck for the NFL scouting combine a year ago. But as Luck's trip to Indianapolis neared, Whitfield wanted to make sure the kid touted as the best quarterback prospect in more than a decade wasn't going to be seduced by hype.

So as Luck braced for the biggest audition his life, Whitfield offered this advice to his pupil during their final workout. "Don't let them push you to the front of the pack," said Whitfield, who runs a quarterback academy in San Diego and counts Luck, Cam Newton and Heisman winner Johnny Manziel among his students. "Make sure you earn it." When Luck nodded in agreement, there was nothing left for Whitfield to say to the Stanford All-American.
Even at that early stage, Luck was contemplating rookie minicamps, training camps and eventually his first season with the Indianapolis Colts.

That attitude helps explain why Luck has surged so quickly to the head of a class of promising young quarterbacks, a group that includes Washington's Robert Griffin III, Seattle's Russell Wilson, Carolina's Newton and San Francisco's Colin Kaepernick. Though none of those players faced quite the same expectations as Luck entering the league, they all are dealing with their own hoopla now. Each has awed the pro football world and left us all wondering just how high they will climb as they learn more about life in the NFL.

"Most quarterbacks, if they're going to get derailed, you'll see that happen around year two or three of their careers," said ESPN analyst and former NFL general manager Bill Polian. "That's when they find out if they can go from being players who transcend the college level with their ability to players who can operate the game at the professional level."

The question for this current group is simple: Who is going to make it to the top and who is going to fall short?

With that in mind, we interviewed people who have been around this current group and great quarterbacks in the past. A panel of 12 people whose backgrounds include playing, coaching, scouting and front-office responsibilities came up with criteria for determining the long-term success of young quarterbacks. Here is a breakdown of where each player ranks in those categories, based on those conversations.

As New York Giants defensive end Justin Tuck said, "These guys are all really special, but you will start to see them separate from each other in four or five years."

Intelligence
Rankings: 1. Luck 2. Griffin 3. Wilson 4. Kaepernick 5. Newton

Warren Moon fondly remembers the first time he saw genius in Wilson. It was during the Seahawks' rookie minicamp last year, when Wilson was an unheralded third-round pick hoping that his new team would look past his 5-foot-11 frame and see brilliance. Normally first-year players in that position are inclined to do one of two things: wilt or press. But Wilson ran the Seahawks' offense so efficiently that Moon, a Hall of Fame quarterback, couldn't believe the young man's ease with the intricate system.
"I watched how he handled the information, how he ran the huddle and how crisp he was in his execution," Moon said. "The ball was zipping around like he'd been in the NFL for a few years." Wilson was displaying the most obvious trait that separates quarterbacks: smarts. He learned Seattle's offense so quickly that Seahawks head coach Pete Carroll had no choice but to play him over a more highly paid free-agent acquisition, Matt Flynn.

That same high level of intelligence also enabled Luck and Griffin to excel so quickly. One AFC personnel director described Luck as "brilliant" in discussing how Luck had little problem handling the complex playbook former Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians, now the Arizona Cardinals' head coach threw at him during his first season.

Griffin was equally impressive mastering the offense head coach Mike Shanahan ran in Washington. In fact, former NFL quarterbacks coach Terry Shea, who trained Griffin before last year's combine, said Griffin's mental capabilities are exceptional. "Robert has a very quick mind," Shea said. "He doesn't need a lot of reps to pick things up. He makes one poor decision and he learns not to do that a second time."

This also happens to be an area where Newton and Kaepernick haven't been as impressive as their peers. One AFC quarterbacks coach said "Cam Newton isn't Andrew Luck because he can't fix protection schemes on his own."

ESPN analyst and former NFL quarterback Trent Dilfer said Kaepernick is still in the early stages of his development. "What the 49ers are doing with Kaepernick is brilliant," Dilfer said. "It's offensive coordinator, Greg Roman. It's the pistol offense and the power run game. I've told Colin this already, but he's playing remedial football over there. He sees five coverages a game where Tom Brady sees five coverages in his first six snaps. All those guys who run the zone read are seeing about one-tenth of what defenses can throw at them."

Accuracy
Rankings: 1. Griffin 2. Wilson 3. Luck 4. Kaepernick 5. Newton

Shea believes the biggest difference between an extraordinary NFL quarterback and a good one is accuracy. He doesn't just mean completion percentage, either.

"The best quarterbacks have the ability to see the defenders and feel the receivers when they drop back," Shea said. "Their knowledge of the offense is so great that they don't have to lock onto their receivers. They know where their targets are supposed to be and they can throw into those windows consistently."

This group hasn't reached that high level of accuracy yet, but it has substantial promise. Griffin led all rookies in 2012 with a completion percentage of 65.6, and Wilson (64.1 percent) and Kaepernick (62.4 percent) also showed a high proficiency in this category.

Luck (54.1 percent) and Newton (57.7 percent) didn't have great numbers, but other factors may have affected their productivity. Luck attempted 627 passes last season. Griffin and Wilson, by comparison, each threw 393, and opposing defenses threw more challenges at Newton than he faced in his rookie season, when he completed 60 percent of his passes.

Still, Griffin and Wilson are the leaders here for more than mere statistics. Shea said Griffin "has rare arm quickness for the position. He has as quick an arm as I've ever been around. When you have that skill, you can hold onto the ball longer and still make plays."

Wilson doesn't have that same trait, but Moon says the second-year Seahawks quarterback "has always been extremely accurate. He was a 70 percent passer in college, and he had high numbers here despite barely having a lot of time to work with guys before his first season. He's done a lot of work with his receivers this offseason, and he's only going to get better."

In Kaepernick's case, some people interviewed believe his accuracy will increase as soon as he develops a better feel as a passer. "He needs more touch," Whitfield said. "Once he gets that, he'll be unstoppable because he's been beating people with a fastball and fast feet. When you see him dropping the ball into receivers in the middle of coverage, that's when his game will go to another level."

Durability
Rankings: 1. Luck 2. Wilson 3. Kaepernick 4. Newton 5. Griffin

Long before his success in San Francisco, Hall of Fame head coach Bill Walsh used to rave about a gifted first-year quarterback he met as a Cincinnati Bengals assistant in 1969. The kid's name was Greg Cook. He was the AFL Rookie of the Year, but his career consisted of just 12 games because of a devastating shoulder injury.

One player in this current group consistently evokes concerns that he could meet a similar fate: Griffin.

Many believe that Newton, at 6-foot-5 and 245 pounds, and Kaepernick, at 6-foot-4 and 230, can handle the punishment when running the football. Luck and Wilson, meanwhile, don't take nearly as many chances with their bodies.

"I really worry about Griffin's longevity," said NFL Network analyst and former NFL head coach Steve Mariucci. "He's already had a concussion and a major knee operation. I've talked to Mike Shanahan, and he thinks he can protect him in the run game better than in the pocket. But those hits on Griffin are so frequent. Peyton Manning has played 15 years, and he's faced the fewest hits of anybody in the league."

It will be interesting to see how the Redskins handle Griffin -- who underwent reconstructive surgery for a torn ACL after last season -- given the intense scrutiny of his game. Critics of his constant running include Griffin's father as well as noted orthopedic surgeon Dr. James Andrews, and Shanahan has taken heat for letting his quarterback play injured in a playoff loss to Seattle last season.

Griffin's handling of the attention that followed the injury also has drawn criticism. Said Moon: "I wish RG III would stop talking so much. I've never seen a player talk more about an injury than this guy does. They keep putting him up there to talk and he can't help answering questions honestly. He doesn't need to go through every detail of his rehab."

Supporting cast
Rankings: 1. Kaepernick 2. Wilson 3. Griffin 4. Luck 5. Newton

The minute Polian selected Manning with the first pick in the 1998 draft, his next mission as general manager of the Colts was obvious: Find some help for his gifted quarterback. Polian didn't see "help" only as players, either. He wanted coaches who could help Manning blossom over the next decade.

"I remember being in Buffalo and watching how former Bills quarterbacks coach and offensive coordinator, Ted Marchibroda helped a young Jim Kelly," said Polian, who was Buffalo's general manager from 1986 to 1992. "Jim was frustrated because he'd come out of the USFL and he'd never really failed. But he struggled in that first year in Buffalo, and Ted helped him grow from it."

The most common word used to describe the best environment for a young quarterback is "fit." That includes coaches, systems, teammates and, above all else, faith. Said Denver Broncos quarterbacks coach Greg Knapp: "The first thing really is fit. Does the guy fit the building that he's coming into? Is it a really good learning environment? Is there patience? And does that quarterback take over a team with a good defense? You can play a lot differently with a team that has a good defense and good special teams. In the case of a Russell Wilson, Seattle could be patient with him because the pressure wasn't on him to throw all the time."

Wilson and Kaepernick both benefit from exceptional supporting casts that should be together for years. The Seahawks and 49ers both had defenses and rushing attacks that ranked in the top five in the NFL last season. Griffin played with a rookie running back, Alfred Morris, who rushed for a team-record 1,613 yards and a defense that will be improved with the return of injured linebacker Brian Orakpo.

Luck and Newton, on the other hand, work with teams still developing. Newton especially is facing a potentially pivotal point in his young career. His new general manager, Dave Gettleman, already has publicly said that "now it's time to win," and Newton's critics far outnumber those of his peers. Polian went so far as to say, "Newton shouldn't be included with this current group," and another AFC quarterbacks coach added that "he's a 'me' guy at heart. That will always creep into his game. He can't handle criticism and he goes into a shell at times. Does he have all-star talent? Sure. But he needs help."

"I really think Cam is on the verge of going through what Alex Smith faced in San Francisco," Mariucci said. "If Panthers head coach, Ron Rivera doesn't win enough games, there could be a change there. And Cam could end up taking a step backwards before he takes two steps forward."

Urgency
Rankings: 1. Wilson 2. Luck 3. Kaepernick 4. Griffin 5. Newton

This is the toughest quality for evaluators to measure. One AFC quarterbacks coach described "urgency" as watching New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees throwing passes during an offseason workout in San Diego with the intensity of a man trying to win the Super Bowl.

Knapp said a day doesn't goes by when Manning isn't hitting him with a text message suggesting some way to improve Denver's offense. "Peyton is just like Hall of Fame quarterback, Steve Young," Knapp said. "The great ones want to be coached. I'm not going to change his game at this stage of his career, but he takes the insights I give him -- even if it's as simple as footwork details -- and tries to use it to improve his game."

Though every player in this group has displayed his own sense of urgency, Wilson is the front-runner in this category largely because of circumstances. As Seattle's third-round pick last season, he had to compete for the starting job and grow quickly despite limited practice reps with the starters in training camp. How did he do it? By working with the intensity of a 10-year veteran.

Said Moon: "I've never seen a player prepare like Russell Wilson does. If Peyton Manning and Tom Brady prepare harder than this guy does, then I want to see what they do. He came in here with routines for taking care of his body, when he needs to rest, how much he needs to study. He didn't waste a minute last year. The only thing I know he did that wasn't football-related during the season was make visits to the children's hospital on his off days."

Another aspect of urgency is understanding how to avoid distractions. That is an area where Griffin and Kaepernick face the most concerns. Both are in high demand by the media and endorsers, and they've already seen how quickly innocent decisions can morph into controversies. Griffin's relationship with Shanahan has quickly become non-stop soap opera, and Kaepernick ignited an uproar merely by wearing a Miami Dolphins hat in public earlier this summer.

"Everybody expects these guys to make the right decisions all the time," said former NFL head coach Dan Reeves, who coached John Elway in Denver. "Sometimes it doesn't happen that way."

The Bottom Line
Rankings: 1. Luck 2. Griffin 3. Wilson 4. Kaepernick 5. Newton

So which of these players actually is destined for greatness after all that evaluation?

The consensus is that Luck remains the can't-miss player of the group. Moon said, "Andrew doesn't have any weaknesses in his game." An NFC general manager added, "Luck should be a Hall of Famer 15 years from now. He took a team that was 2-14 before he arrived and led it to 11 wins in his rookie year. That's a pretty good start."

As for the others, most people interviewed for this story also see greatness in the futures of Griffin and Wilson. Griffin holds a slight edge because he's more dynamic -- "He can run and he's accurate," said Tuck. But Wilson is the safer bet to be more durable and play longer. Kaepernick is the wild card of the group. Many people think his ceiling could be higher than Griffin's if his game develops steadily. Newton, on the other hand, is at a point in his career where he's likely to plateau if the Panthers keep struggling.

We also might have to adjust our thinking of what exceptional truly means. "We are entering the golden age of quarterbacks," Dilfer said. "I don't know if these guys are better players than the guys who came before them, but the league is set up for them to be better. The rules. The offensive diversity. I think all these guys will be productive, but the one-million-dollar question is how we will define greatness. They will all have great numbers, but it will come down to who has the biggest moments."

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just skimming this and man THEY SHIT ON CAM SUNTIN MAJOR
Sep 12th 2013
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Big Time
Sep 12th 2013
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lol @ giving griffin accuracy after monday's debacle
Sep 12th 2013
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61.2% accuracy - his 5th worst completion % in a game in his career
Sep 12th 2013
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Kap better than all those mother fuckers
Sep 12th 2013
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I mean I don't think you can argue that Cam is smart
Sep 12th 2013
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He's definitely an idiot, but he might be football smart
Sep 12th 2013
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Least Cam probably doesn't have a drug problem like Marino
Sep 12th 2013
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      you've elevated hate to an art form
Sep 12th 2013
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           Cantball is easily the most delightful hater in OKS in 2013
Sep 12th 2013
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                without a doubt.
Sep 12th 2013
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                It was more about how I want black QB's to experience the skill...
Sep 12th 2013
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                     Oh, I definitely understood.
Sep 12th 2013
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Why not?
Sep 15th 2013
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      Did you hear his comments about black quarterbacks?
Sep 16th 2013
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           What does that have to do with football?
Sep 16th 2013
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This is a myth about Kap and the 49ers:
Sep 12th 2013
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HOW DARE YOU HAVE SKILLS THAT MAKE THE GAME EASIER!
Sep 12th 2013
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      RE: HOW DARE YOU HAVE SKILLS THAT MAKE THE GAME EASIER!
Sep 12th 2013
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The Terrelle Pryor gonna squeeze into this convo by year's end.
Sep 12th 2013
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No
Sep 12th 2013
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      Arm Leg Leg Arm Ouch
Sep 12th 2013
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lol, pretty comical Luck fellatio/Cam hatchet job combo...
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article sucks...
Sep 12th 2013
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It's kind of interesting how he excludes Andy Dalton too
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Black QB's>>>>> Ginger QB's
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      its obvious his agenda is white guys are smarter than black guys so...
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           But gingers don't have souls and pretty much aren't white
Sep 12th 2013
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                lol
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can they stan for Luck any harder? jesus
Sep 12th 2013
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don't let the media ruin this era
Sep 12th 2013
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AKA "I'm Will, and Luck better."
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      Luck has his own flaws
Sep 12th 2013
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Here's the weird thing about the "intelligence" stuff
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http://www.uh.edu/engines/phrenologyskulls.jpg
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not only that. wilson came to WIS with like 2 weeks notice, no
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apparently at NC State Russell ran a form of the West Coast offense...
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Wasn't Luck among league leaders in turnovers last season?
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WHY YOU BRINGING UP FACTS FOR MOTHERFUCKER?
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Luck didn't throw picks, he was donating possessions to charity
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      you can't get credit for 4th quarter comeback drives
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           Lmao perfection
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see post #18
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      Just read it...good stuff
Sep 12th 2013
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it's a pity but THEY made me not like dude
Sep 12th 2013
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Luck does not = Clausen, Barkley, etc school of overhyped whiteboys
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yes, if I see the media run one more TV special about Luck's offseason,
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      LOL
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      the fallacy of logical disjunction
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      that, and media claiming youre better than more accomplished qbs
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it could very be that Luck ends up being the best of the bunch but
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The best part is we will see.
Sep 13th 2013
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Cite examples of AAA code worded 'CISM below.
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Trent Dilfer was the biggest supporter of Cam, white or black
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By not being named Tannehill, apparently nm
Sep 16th 2013
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So about Cam
Oct 07th 2013
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tho his wr's sucked yesterday, his turnovers are pathetic
Oct 07th 2013
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Cams a very talented front running moron
Oct 07th 2013
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barnwell had a good break down why it's not Cam's fault...(swipe)
Oct 13th 2013
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talk about it!
Oct 14th 2013
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RE: So about Cam
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      you must not have watched the game
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           RE: you must not have watched the game
Nov 11th 2013
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...
Oct 13th 2013
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Fuck stats, nigga win the game. Period.
Oct 14th 2013
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So Luck and Wilson are winning this argument. We'll see what Cam
Nov 18th 2013
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Cam stepped the fuck up!
Nov 19th 2013
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6 straight
Nov 19th 2013
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7
Nov 24th 2013
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I wonder what the rankings would look like now?
Nov 26th 2013
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I TOLD Y'ALL CAM WAS BETTER THAN THESE DUDES.
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      yeah I thought this article was bogus from day 1, its seemed like dude.....
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      Lol you really put Griffin over Kaep after Monday Night
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           I put Griffin over Kaep after the first game of LAST YEAR.
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           You should have switched up atleast after the superbowl, if not
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                Cam balled in the first game of his first season.
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           Kaep just looked lucky to be with a better overall team on Monday
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Russell is giving Cam a run for his money
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Russ already ran him out his own stadium this year
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      Russ has a better running game and has to throw the ball a lot less too
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      he has also more TDs, higher completion pct, less INTS
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      lol, chill out, I like Russ too, been a fan since his NC State days but....
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           chill out, with my objective criteria? lol ok
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      c'mon son...'aints bottled beast up last nite & russ still killed em
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      ^^^^ has two eyes
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hmmm...
Dec 16th 2014
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RE: hmmm...
Oct 05th 2015
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hi.
Jan 25th 2016
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lmao... and fuck all those Luck ball washers
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1. "just skimming this and man THEY SHIT ON CAM SUNTIN MAJOR"
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Basically called him a dumb athletic nigger

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i know it was his first game back and he was tentative, but my god he was just MISSING receivers.

i'm sure the accuracy will be back, but right today, it's funny.

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I agree it was horrible...for him.

  

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5. "I mean I don't think you can argue that Cam is smart"
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But they may have just called this article "My White Hope"
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8. "Least Cam probably doesn't have a drug problem like Marino"
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Cam is football's Derrick Rose. Except Cam can actually read and eats more than candy
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13. "you've elevated hate to an art form"
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>Cam is football's Derrick Rose. Except Cam can actually read
>and eats more than candy

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15. "Cantball is easily the most delightful hater in OKS in 2013"
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Dude is on fire

I was ENJOYING his talk about how he wants no more
black wide receivers on the Packers (the SF-GB post)....it
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16. "without a doubt."
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17. "It was more about how I want black QB's to experience the skill..."
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and compassion and grit and catching abilities of white receivers
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>and compassion and grit and catching abilities of white
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Doesn't make it any less funny

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54. "What does that have to do with football?"
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7. "This is a myth about Kap and the 49ers: "
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Dilfer said. "It's offensive coordinator, Greg Roman. It's the pistol offense and the power run game. I've told Colin this already, but he's playing remedial football over there. He sees five coverages a game where Tom Brady sees five coverages in his first six snaps. All those guys who run the zone read are seeing about one-tenth of what defenses can throw at them."

1. We do not run the zone read very often at all
2. So that means that the zone read keeps defenses honest and limits what they will run? great.

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9. "HOW DARE YOU HAVE SKILLS THAT MAKE THE GAME EASIER!"
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that just means you suck according to dilfer..

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10. "RE: HOW DARE YOU HAVE SKILLS THAT MAKE THE GAME EASIER!"
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White slow dude creating an indictment of QB that can run...where have we seen this?

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11. "The Terrelle Pryor gonna squeeze into this convo by year's end. "
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12. "No"
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He should be proud if he survives the season with 4 working limbs
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14. "Arm Leg Leg Arm Ouch"
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>He should be proud if he survives the season with 4 working
>limbs

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18. "lol, pretty comical Luck fellatio/Cam hatchet job combo..."
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>Intelligence
>Rankings: 1. Luck 2. Griffin 3. Wilson 4.
>Kaepernick 5. Newton
>

>That same high level of intelligence also enabled Luck and
>Griffin to excel so quickly. One AFC personnel director
>described Luck as "brilliant" in discussing how Luck had
>little problem handling the complex playbook former Colts
>offensive coordinator Bruce Arians, now the Arizona Cardinals'
>head coach threw at him during his first season.

>This also happens to be an area where Newton and Kaepernick
>haven't been as impressive as their peers. One AFC
>quarterbacks coach said "Cam Newton isn't Andrew Luck because
>he can't fix protection schemes on his own."

Luck is smarter than everybody else and so great at fixing protection schemes that he was sacked more than anybody else in this group. He also had the lowest yards per attempt in the group meaning even though he was throwing fewer down field passes he managed to get sacked more.

He also threw more interceptions than anybody else, and had the lowest completing percentage and the lowest QB rating in the group.


>Accuracy
>Rankings: 1. Griffin 2. Wilson 3. Luck 4.
>Kaepernick 5. Newton


>Luck (54.1 percent) and Newton (57.7 percent) didn't have
>great numbers, but other factors may have affected their
>productivity. Luck attempted 627 passes last season. Griffin
>and Wilson, by comparison, each threw 393, and opposing
>defenses threw more challenges at Newton than he faced in his
>rookie season, when he completed 60 percent of his passes.

Again, Luck it says luck has the lowest completing percentage but COPS PLEAS for him and miraculously ranks him 3rd and Newton last.

>Durability
>Rankings: 1. Luck 2. Wilson 3. Kaepernick 4.
>Newton 5. Griffin

This is baffling too, Newton started from day 1 three years ago, way before anybody else in this group, has never missed a start, yet somehow he's next to last ahead of only Griffin.

+>Supporting cast
>Rankings: 1. Kaepernick 2. Wilson 3. Griffin 4.
>Luck 5. Newton

This part is huge right here, not just their offensive teammates, but their teams' defenses as well as the continuity of their offensive coaching staffs.

I don't think its coincidence that the #1 & 2 guys here play in the teams with the #1 & 2 defenses last year. Its a big difference when you're not playing from behind all the time being forced to throw the majority of the time and being able to rely on your running game and do things like play action.

Another thing to look at going forward will be their offensive coaches. IF you look at the top QB's, Manning, Brady, Rodgers, & Brees, they either play or have play for basically the same coaches in the same systems for a number of years.

Obviously Peyton has continued his success in Denver but after 15 years in the league he's basically his own system. He's basically his own offensive coordinator in Denver now. The guy they gave the actual OC title to is some nobody 34-year old kid that is 2 years younger than Payton so its obvious who's really calling the shots.

As for these guys, Kap looks to be in pretty good hands with Harbaugh.

Wilson OC in Seattle is West Coast offense disciple Darrell Bevell. Wilson actually ran a West Coast offense at NC State and that was one of the reasons he was able pick up things so quickly in Seattle.

Griffin has Shanahan who has had success with a lot of different QB's.

Luck's new OC this year is Pep Hamilton, one of Harbaugh's former assistants at Stanford and Luck's OC and QB coach his senior year. He's also 1 of 3 black OC's in the entire NFL. It will be interesting to see if Luck does take off how much credit he gets.

Newton had Rob Chudzinski as his OC his first 2 season but he left to be the head coach in Cleveland. He was replaced by QB coach Mike Shula who's not known for much beyond being Don Shula's son so we'll see how that goes. They were extremely conservative in Week 1.


The rest of the bullshit in this article is irrelevant.

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36. "article sucks..."
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>Luck is smarter than everybody else and so great at fixing
>protection schemes that he was sacked more than anybody else
>in this group. He also had the lowest yards per attempt in the
>group meaning even though he was throwing fewer down field
>passes he managed to get sacked more.

but Luck did attempt the most 20-yard+ throws in the NFL last season (101). YPA was down because Arians' offense wasn't that efficient at times, Luck forced several terrible throws, and Donnie Avery and T.Y. Hilton had the two-worst drop percentages in the entire league.

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19. "It's kind of interesting how he excludes Andy Dalton too"
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21. "Black QB's>>>>> Ginger QB's"
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Probably been more black starters in history than gingers
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22. "its obvious his agenda is white guys are smarter than black guys so..."
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you would think he'd want to have Dalton in there too.

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23. "But gingers don't have souls and pretty much aren't white"
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The Klan ain't clamoring to rep Ron Howard
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24. "lol"
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25. "can they stan for Luck any harder? jesus"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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26. "don't let the media ruin this era"
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we may be witnessing a historic group of quarterbacks playing at the same time. I'm enjoying watching them all.

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27. "AKA "I'm Will, and Luck better." "
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>we may be witnessing a historic group of quarterbacks playing
>at the same time. I'm enjoying watching them all.



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30. "Luck has his own flaws"
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I've watched every single snap of his NFL career and probably 20 of his college games. but these bullshit ranking obsessions are annoying.

Kaep is playing at an unreal level, Griffin III had the best first season (too bad he didn't go to Cleveland), Cam is on a historic career path and Wilson is shocking me (proof again why everyone should disregard my college QB opinions). we have plenty of time to discuss legacies in the future -- you know, after they all play more than a couple seasons.

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28. "Here's the weird thing about the "intelligence" stuff"
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Russell Wilson didn't have the system built for or
around him, came in and STOLE somebody's job and
took it, adapted and was the MOST successful of any
of them

Luck ran pro-style at Stanford, so the change wasn't
nearly as big or dramatic.

Wouldn't Wilson, then, be the most intelligent?

And I think Luck is mad smart

I'm just curious how white people come up with this shit

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29. "http://www.uh.edu/engines/phrenologyskulls.jpg"
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http://www.uh.edu/engines/phrenologyskulls.jpg
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41. "not only that. wilson came to WIS with like 2 weeks notice, no "
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spring ball, in his sr year. after playing baseball. TOTALLY new teammates, no chemistry, and flat out mastered the offense, established himself from jump as the team leader, and led them to a great season.

this was after balling out for state (and they should feel stupid for telling him they could take or leave him).

russell on some other shit.


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42. "apparently at NC State Russell ran a form of the West Coast offense..."
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that was a lot similar to what they run in Seattle

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31. "Wasn't Luck among league leaders in turnovers last season?"
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32. "WHY YOU BRINGING UP FACTS FOR MOTHERFUCKER?"
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33. "Luck didn't throw picks, he was donating possessions to charity "
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the white man is so charitable

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35. "you can't get credit for 4th quarter comeback drives"
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if you're not behind in the first place

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34. "see post #18"
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38. "Just read it...good stuff"
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39. "it's a pity but THEY made me not like dude"
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if there were a checklist on made to order QBs
Luck would probably have most of it checked off
sadly, the media narratives surrounding dude make his face so punchable (ala:BFarve)

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40. "Luck does not = Clausen, Barkley, etc school of overhyped whiteboys"
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He was passed over by the big Texas schools

He's fast as fuck and intentionally throws interceptions
so that he can tackle niggas with low SAT scores

QB he's most like to me, ironically, is Warren Moon

Quiet, humble hard worker

He's probably barely a republican (he surely is one, but
unlike Favre he don't be having Sunday dinner with Klan
members)


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43. "yes, if I see the media run one more TV special about Luck's offseason,"
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rehab, 'yo mama'-embroidered wedding socks with his corny white accountant buddy best man, shirtless magazine layout, E60 profile, Play 60 commercial, etc I'm gonna go crazy.

https://soundcloud.com/matt-koelling-666011203

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46. "LOL"
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48. "the fallacy of logical disjunction"
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and i'm pressed?
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49. "that, and media claiming youre better than more accomplished qbs"
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44. "it could very be that Luck ends up being the best of the bunch but"
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yeah.. .cism... lol
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47. "The best part is we will see."
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And we have that post where everyone picked sides.

Personally, I would be shocked if Luck wasn't considered best of that group by the end of next season at the latest. This season is def a possibility as well, but Kap and Russ have such good teams around them.

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51. "Cite examples of AAA code worded 'CISM below. "
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First off, Trent Dilfer's take on the amount of coverages a QB sees is laughable at best. He's not a coach and didn't play for a team that ran the read option or any variant of it. So fuck him.

CAM DOES NOT BELONG SENTENCE AS THAT GLORIFIED BUST TURNED ABOVE AVERAGE BACKUP. Fuck the entire persecution having stank pussy smelling old dusty lice infested nation of scallywags known as 9ers fans.

Let me break this down for you fucks:

Cam set rookie records in his first season as QB without an offseason. QB busts don't break NFK records and through for damn near 8,000 yards in two seasons. Cam is on that Eli trajectory in the sense that he can't play defense, block, or pass protect. Give him time to grow.

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52. "Trent Dilfer was the biggest supporter of Cam, white or black"
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Dilfer has a pass to say whatever he wants


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55. "By not being named Tannehill, apparently nm"
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56. "So about Cam"
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This dude is single-handedly losing fantasy football for me. Thank god for Jimmy Graham and Julius Thomas. How do you play worse than Carson Palmer!? So when do we start admitting that fam ain't as good as we thought he'd be?

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57. "tho his wr's sucked yesterday, his turnovers are pathetic"
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the pick he threw to steve smith was the type of thing that had Mark Sanchez as the lead story on sportscenter... he needs to clean that shit up, arizona didnt even wanna win that game



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cantball
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58. "Cams a very talented front running moron"
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60. "barnwell had a good break down why it's not Cam's fault...(swipe)"
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would seem pretty obvious that there are other factors to Cams performance given his organization, but some niggas are just so damn simple

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9806344/bill-barnwell-carolina-panthers-offense

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61. "talk about it!"
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63. "RE: So about Cam"
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http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130123223105/glee/images/0/02/Nene_Leakes_Hi_Haters_Gif.gif

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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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64. "you must not have watched the game"
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the defense won that game because Colin isn't that good either. Athletic game managers.

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ThaTruth
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65. "RE: you must not have watched the game"
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http://spquibble.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/cam-newton-u-mad.jpg

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59. "..."
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The Letter L
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62. "Fuck stats, nigga win the game. Period."
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Numbers aint shit if a QB cant come thru in the clutch.
Eli, Ben, & Flacco aint super duper QBs and got rings.
As good as Peyton is he's overrated
that nigga has come up short a gang of times in the playoffs.
Not turning the ball over & 4th qtr effiency in close games
are more important.

"and there's your L" - pat sajak

  

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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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66. "So Luck and Wilson are winning this argument. We'll see what Cam"
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does tonight againts the Pats. RGIII and Kaep aren't impressing me this season.

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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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68. "Cam stepped the fuck up!"
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That's all I can say. That and y'all better stop disrespecting that Panthers defense.

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ThaTruth
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67. "6 straight"
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69. "7"
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70. "I wonder what the rankings would look like now?"
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71. "I TOLD Y'ALL CAM WAS BETTER THAN THESE DUDES."
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Cam
Wilson (This is a push because he's the best QB out his draft class)
Luck
Griffin
Kaep

Where them niggas that was shitting on Cam at? Where are the armchair psychologists with Ph.D's in nonverbal communication? BUST deez all on your forehead. Cam is an MVP candidate, ______ _____.

Russell is that dude. I know y'all see dat poise. He on that Peyton Manning. I told y'alk he was the worthy of the number 1 pick. Andrew Luck is good but he's no Russell Wilson, RIGHT TODAY. <---- See what I did there? Russ out here winning on passion and grit.

Kaep has the best supporting cast out of everyone here. He disappoints at times but I'm copping pleas until he gets Alex'd. That's not a bad thing because he came out of a pistol offense in college.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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72. "yeah I thought this article was bogus from day 1, its seemed like dude....."
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had a personal agenda against Cam, Cam must've blown him off for a interview or something.

But yeah, Russ balled out at 2 different colleges and showed he had all the tools the only knock against him was that he was short even though he's the same size as Drew Brees...http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/Comparisons-between-Russell-Wilson-and-Drew-Brees-on-collision-course/dbf37469-2671-4d9f-bc61-3c2acd1e18bb

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73. "Lol you really put Griffin over Kaep after Monday Night"
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keep smoking that stuff homey.

  

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74. "I put Griffin over Kaep after the first game of LAST YEAR."
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This is far from a leap of faith. Congratulations random internet person!! I'm copping pleas for Kaep forever. He could be the 26th ranked QB in the league and he deserves to start every year until he has a great season from start to finish. Remember, he deserves equal treatment.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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75. "You should have switched up atleast after the superbowl, if not"
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the green bay or atlanta games

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76. "Cam balled in the first game of his first season."
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He follwed up a record setting 4,051 yard then rookie record season with an almost 3,900 yard season. Kaep isn't on Cam's level. Teams didn't have extensive game film on Kaep like they do Cam. These are facts.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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77. "Kaep just looked lucky to be with a better overall team on Monday"
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that's bout it.

  

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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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78. "Russell is giving Cam a run for his money"
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The kid is impressive plus he has fewer turnovers.

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79. "Russ already ran him out his own stadium this year"
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>The kid is impressive plus he has fewer turnovers

Plus he has a better record, plus he's just better

  

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80. "Russ has a better running game and has to throw the ball a lot less too"
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82. "he has also more TDs, higher completion pct, less INTS"
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and a higher QBR





  

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83. "lol, chill out, I like Russ too, been a fan since his NC State days but...."
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nothing you said invalidates my point.

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85. "chill out, with my objective criteria? lol ok "
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84. "c'mon son...'aints bottled beast up last nite & russ still killed em"
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he only has 5 less passing attempts than cam on avg

both teams are known for run first

  

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81. "^^^^ has two eyes "
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people are really comparing Cam fucking Newton with Wilson?


lmao jesus christ

  

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86. "hmmm..."
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87. "RE: hmmm..."
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88. "hi."
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89. "lmao... and fuck all those Luck ball washers"
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tried to crown him as the next Montana...

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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