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"Jim Buss and the Lakers, still paying for Chris Paul (swipe)"


          

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Jim Buss and the Lakers, still paying for Chris Paul

PUBLISHED 2 days and 40 minutes ago
Sean Deveney Sporting News

It would be nice if only for a few months the Lakers could get by without Jim Buss being in the news. Any chance of that happening in the wake of the team losing Dwight Howard in free agency was wiped out when Buss was interviewed by the Hollywood Reporter for a story that appears this week. Buss came across as bearing the sourest of grapes when he said of Howard, “He was never really a Laker. He was just passing through.”

Further, his sister, Jeanie Buss, indicated in the article that the working relationship between the two isn’t always peachy. Their father, the late Dr. Jerry Buss, wanted Jeanie to run the business side and Jim to run the basketball side, which sounds reasonable enough. But, Jeanie told the magazine, “I would be more comfortable if I understood what the decision process was, and I’m not always involved in it. To be held accountable by the league and not have a seat at the table when decisions are made is hard.”

The magazine also addressed Magic Johnson’s assertion that, “I don’t believe in Jim Buss,” which Buss said hurt him.

Truly, it is pile-on-Jim-Buss season, though it could be argued that it’s been in season at least since the spring of 2011, when Buss hired Mike Brown to replace Phil Jackson, and did so without consulting star guard Kobe Bryant (who wanted popular assistant Brian Shaw).

But in the midst of the pile-on, pause to grant Buss at least one indulgence, because in theory, this Lakers team should be on a much different path with All-Star Chris Paul at point guard. There was a moment not long ago when Buss seemed to get everything right. It was the winter of 2011, the league was jolted back into its post-lockout business, and Buss orchestrated a deal that promised to set the Lakers onto a brighter new future path.

They would give up power forward Pau Gasol, who would go to the Rockets. Lamar Odom would go to the Hornets, who would get three other players (Goran Dragic, Kevin Martin and Luis Scola) and a pick from Houston. But the Lakers would emerge with a new star who would be the face of the franchise going forward: Chris Paul.

We know the ending. The deal was killed by David Stern, then acting in the capacity of the Hornets’ decision-maker, because the league owned the team and Stern felt New Orleans needed younger assets. In retrospect, it would have been a good deal for the Hornets (now the Pelicans) and likely would have gone through had the team not been owned by the NBA.

Consider how much different the Lakers would look now had Paul been allowed to come aboard. Losing Gasol would have been difficult, but one move that Buss did make that was widely bashed was dumping Lamar Odom for a trade exception—which was prescient in hindsight. He also resisted calls to trade Andrew Bynum for Howard that winter, a decision that was mostly the right one for the short-term. Bynum was an All-Star that year, while Howard unraveled in Orlando.

Had the Lakers reconsidered on the Howard-for-Bynum move, as they did last summer, they’d have been left with a core of Paul and Howard, with Bryant preparing to (eventually) slip into retirement. That would have kept them from signing Steve Nash to a three-year deal, one that looks shaky when you consider his age (39) and injury trouble (he missed 32 games last year).

Howard never really fit with last year’s Lakers, but that would have been different had Paul been in town. If Bryant was too intense for Howard last year, and Howard was too loose for Bryant, Paul—who is plenty loose off the court but very intense on it—would be the perfect guy to mitigate the tension between the two.

Where Nash was not healthy enough to really take control of the offense, Paul would have no doubt run the show and established a better inside-outside balance. Without Gasol, the Lakers could have added a role-player forward who would better complement Howard.

Everything that went wrong with last year’s Lakers—the chemistry issue, the misfit roster, the coaching upheaval—might never have happened with Paul on board. That’s the tricky part about being in the head honcho’s chair, as Buss has been for more than two years now. The future can take drastic turns that stem from small things.

Jerry West’s deal to bring Shaquille O’Neal to the Lakers could have fallen through, Gregg Popovich’s Spurs could have wound up with the No. 2 pick in the 1997 (Tim Duncan) draft, LeBron James could have told Pat Riley he was staying in Cleveland. It’s a thin line between a genius executive and one who gets the Jim Buss pile-on.

Some of that has been Buss’s own fault. But much of it stems back to that one near-miss, the deal for Paul that got away. That wasn’t his fault, but he has been paying the price ever since.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
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But Stern did have final say and made the right choice
Aug 17th 2013
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He only did it after the other owners cried about it, and it's still...
Aug 17th 2013
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His sole purpose was to get the team sold, and he did exactly that
Aug 17th 2013
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      lol, that's all bullshit, they would've found a buyer regardless...
Aug 17th 2013
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           Hornets still would have been worse off
Aug 17th 2013
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           RE: Hornets still would have been worse off
Aug 17th 2013
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                yeah they suck but at least aren't sucking with a huge payroll
Aug 17th 2013
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                     huh? Hornets are capped out w/no 2013 draft pick & still ain't an 8 seed
Aug 17th 2013
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                          Right, lol
Aug 17th 2013
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                          see payroll compared to what they would've been in 2014/15
Aug 17th 2013
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                               all their signifigant deals are on the books thru 15/16
Aug 19th 2013
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           When trying to sell, you wouldn't make a team as appealing as possible?
Aug 17th 2013
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                And when you get through talking the main reason Stern "vetoed"....
Aug 17th 2013
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                     The owners were collectively bank-rolling the Hornets team
Aug 19th 2013
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                          Even you don't believe that.
Aug 19th 2013
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                               Huh? That's exactly what was happening from a financial perspective
Aug 19th 2013
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Yep. I'm still mad about it tho. n/m
Aug 17th 2013
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Cry n.m.
Aug 17th 2013
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LA2Philly
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1. "But Stern did have final say and made the right choice"
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Why is anyone still ruminating on this

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2. "He only did it after the other owners cried about it, and it's still..."
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yet to be proven if that was "the right choice"

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3. "His sole purpose was to get the team sold, and he did exactly that "
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The league was paying the team's salaries and operating costs...you tell me, what's more alluring to a new owner: a middling team with a high payroll or a young, fresh team with low salary and two 1st round picks?

Easy choice.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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4. "lol, that's all bullshit, they would've found a buyer regardless..."
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and Stern was good with the deal until people like Cuban, Gilbert and MJ started crying.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

  

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5. "Hornets still would have been worse off"
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The Lakers were going to be the true big winners of the deal. Let's not act like that's not true.

  

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7. "RE: Hornets still would have been worse off"
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>The Lakers were going to be the true big winners of the deal.
>Let's not act like that's not true.

No trade is ever 100% "equal", and despite a lot of hype the Hornets are still a shitty team

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8. "yeah they suck but at least aren't sucking with a huge payroll"
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rolling into the future.

  

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10. "huh? Hornets are capped out w/no 2013 draft pick & still ain't an 8 seed"
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12. "Right, lol"
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13. "see payroll compared to what they would've been in 2014/15"
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18. "all their signifigant deals are on the books thru 15/16"
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11. "When trying to sell, you wouldn't make a team as appealing as possible?"
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Under the logic, 'hey, someone will buy it regardless!' Yeh, that's pretty adept business acumen.

Why do you think Memphis was willing to deal Pau for expiring contracts and a project player? In the effort to make the team as appealing as possible in order to sell at the highest value.

The hornets selling eventually to a lower bid rather than trying to make the team as appealing as possible, all the while all costs being covered by the league, makes zero business sense.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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14. "And when you get through talking the main reason Stern "vetoed"...."
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the Laker deal was to appease the other owners

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15. "The owners were collectively bank-rolling the Hornets team"
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So they had a very large incentive in seeing the team sold as quickly as possible.

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<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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16. "Even you don't believe that."
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17. "Huh? That's exactly what was happening from a financial perspective "
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---------------------------------
<--The drought is over

"have fun reveling in your pettiness tho" (C) Dula summing up 98% of OKS

"I didnt finish a damn thing...matter of fact I jerked off after she left."
-Kobe speaking to investigators

L D E A

  

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9. "Yep. I'm still mad about it tho. n/m"
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6. "Cry n.m."
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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