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'Previously.......on Ready To Die'.

We last saw the man known as Jewelz, Bubbachuck, The Answer & GOAT caught in the midst of media-hyped tales of financial ruin for their own purposes since he no longer bothers to give them a single quote.

Started thinking about the old-school Big East due to the hilarious Duncan/Ewing Redux thread & started wondering who the best NBA player from a legendary now buried conference.

There's not a 'great at a secondary school' type like Duncan from Wake, unless you count Wade at Marquette but they were a C-USA school when he was there.

So who's the main comp?

Ray Allen is a HOFer & specialist who has lasted but ultimately like Spike decided when he offered 'He Got Game' to AI initially before settling after it was turned down, Ray Allen is a nice piece but an understudy/back-up-plan by comparison.

Ewing? Maybe in Knick Fan minds, they hated on Ewing during most of his best years but then freaked out when they saw him in a Sonic uniform.

They've been spinning his career to have some greater meaning than it deserves ever since.....because that's what New York Knick Fans specialize in doing.

They romanticize that '94 team more than Philly does the '93 Phillies, which is saying something.

Probably would need convincing to call Ewing a Top 50 player or Top 5 center of his era.

CarameLLL-NO.

Somebody will try to do it, they'll also try to crowbar in 'Cuse's chip or something about the Olympics or his 'pure' scoring but the bottom line is he continues to make the game hard on himself and has at least five less patches than the Notorious MVP.

Chris Mullen was money from the corner three on NBA Jam & has a fantastic New York accent but ultimately wasn't the same level of difference maker as #3.

Revisionists will work themselves into a lather trying to say otherwise & commence to hollering worse than the chick from Soundboming II on the hook to Pharoahe Monch's 'The Mayor'.

The fact remains that Allen Iverson will now & forever be the Big East's best NBA player.

And KEEEP TRRRYYYINNGGGG (c) Groove Theory

Allen, Ewing and Iverson and each has their own claim to the top spot.

Crazy to think there are only 3 real candidates in all those years of great basketball. You're not gonna give it to guys like Mourning, Marshall, Coleman, Mullin etc...

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When it's all said and done.

Iverson, Ewing, Mullin, Allen, and Anthony would sem to be the obvious top 5 though.

Melo is in his prime still, so we'll see where he ends up.

People's views on Ray Allen changed a lot for the better after he won the title and was no longer the star of a team.

I don't think you can take someone currently at their prime and rank them. Same reason talking about Lebron's all time rank is stupid.

Also I have trouble giving credit to any school or league for a 1 and done player.

i thought you were saying the convo will always only be about those 3.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

smh

And he wasn't the best player on the team once Walter Berry arrived. This doesn't diminish his career in the Big East- Mully was a beast. Ewing was the anchor on one of the greatest college squads ever.

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>Probably would need convincing to call Ewing a Top 50 player
>or Top 5 center of his era.

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>>Probably would need convincing to call Ewing a Top 50
>player
>>or Top 5 center of his era.
>

grassrootsphilosopher

and in the pros than did Ewing on the hoyas or the knicks

but

Ewing had a greater college and pro career in terms of team success

Ewing, more than any college player in any conference from the 80s, is the reason why the big east became what it did and what player in the same era is more synonymous w/college basketball when it was at an all time best then?

Greatness isn't solely based upon what an athlete does/did on the court/field etc. but many other factors as well. Being the best at something, in this case basketball, can be measured in individual dominance and brilliance

Case and point: Sugar Ray Robinson is widely regarded as "the BEST pound for pound fighter" of all time

but

Ali is still considered the GOAT...moreso or equally as much because of what he did outside the ring than what he did in it

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>and in the pros than did Ewing on the hoyas or the knicks
>
>but
>
>Ewing had a greater college and pro career in terms of team
>success
>
>Ewing, more than any college player in any conference from the
>80s, is the reason why the big east became what it did and
>what player in the same era is more synonymous w/college
>basketball when it was at an all time best then?
>
>Greatness isn't solely based upon what an athlete does/did on
>the court/field etc. but many other factors as well. Being the
>best at something, in this case basketball, can be measured in
>individual dominance and brilliance
>
>Case and point: Sugar Ray Robinson is widely regarded as "the
>BEST pound for pound fighter" of all time
>
>but
>
>Ali is still considered the GOAT...moreso or equally as much
>because of what he did outside the ring than what he did in
>it

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but Melo aint done yet

You OKP niggas are goofy as shit when it comes to determining best career. On no planet is Ray Allen's career better than Melo's.

Ray Allen has played 17 seasons. In that time he has:

-10 All-Star appearances
-1 2nd-team All-NBA
-1 3rd team All-NBA
-1 Ring as the 3rd option on a mega-team
-1 Olympic Gold
-Cracked the top-20 in MVP votes once (9th in 04-05)
- MISSED THE PLAYOFFS 7 TIMES



Carmelo Anthony has played 10 seasons. In that time, he has:

-6 All-Star appearances
-2 2nd team All-NBA
-4 3rd Team All-NBA
-2 Olympic Golds (1 Bronze)
-1 Scoring title
-Cracked the top 3 in MVP voting (top 20 5 times)
-NEVER MISSED THE PLAYOFFS
-I repeat: NEVER MISSED THE PLAYOFFS

If the ring is enough to make Ray Allen's career better than Melo's, you also need to concede that Clyde Drexler had a better career than Charles Barkley.

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and Ray-Ray got none

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I guess you could go either way. I'm not bias towards either, but you can't scoff at dudes who pick Ray over Melo. Ray's had more playoff success and moments than Melo. And when he had his own team he played a more versatile game than Melo.

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As a matter of fact, Ray has only made the playoffs ONCE as the man. Every other appearance was part of a Big Three.

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You niggas are not going to overrate Ray Fucking Allen cause he got a ring with KG and Pierce. You got silly niggas upthread talking about Allen having a better career than AI. The entire notion is fuckign ludicrous and hinges only in the fact that Ray won a ring as the third option on a stacked team.

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lemme put it this way, if i were starting a team, i'd want allen. all this crap of comparing different careers at different times in different conferences is a mess. allen was an extremely efficient scorer, deficient in no other area of the game and the best shooter of his era (him or Nash, whatever). more efficient, more complete and not far behind in terms of offensive production at all. he's yet another player that shows how hollow melo's game is IMO. but melo still way up there all time from the big east, top 10 easy, likely top 5.

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no bias towards either but peep: if both retired right today, Ray is a sureshot HOF (even without a ring), Melo is at best, borderline. These are facts. this aint to say Ray is unquestionably the better player,(truth be told, I prolly lean more towards Melo if I had to choose between the two in their primes, to build a team around), but career wise, Ray resume is simply more decorated

but career wise, Ray resume
>is simply more decorated

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The rest eh, I've have to sit and think about.

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Ewing
Melo
AI
Zo
Lenny Wilkens
Mullen
Rip Hamilton
Ray Allen
Deke
Adrian Dantley
Bill Laimbeer.

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ND was an independent back then.

Edit: Lenny Wilkens, too.

prolly the best forward in Big East history.. fucked around the NBA and still managed a solid career

and allen>melo???

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Speaking of patches, you could add Melo/Ray Allen/Ewing up & still not match Bubbachuck's batch

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I just get upset when people act like he was something he wasnt.

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Ray been pivitol to the Heat as he was to the Celtics, as he was to the Bucks.

Ray is a winner no matter where he goes period.

back to the argument of course its Patrick Ewing and I dig AI though, however Patrick had a better career and the memorys are better.

AI is an All time great however naw he ain't seeing Patrick or Ray Ray

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Allen was in the shadow of Iverson during Iverson's career.

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going to a 7 game finals was longer than AI against the lakers though AI's game one performance was great, however that is all most people remember about the sixers in that finals.

and though it was tough seeing Patrick in Seattle at least his career ended with him on the court, nobody wants to talk about AI post denver and it has made him sadly forgotten by alot of folks.

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yeah, ewing's team went 7 in the finals (with a worse overall roster) and lost because the other team's star outplayed him in essentially every game.

sorry but "memorable" is a pretty horrendous choice of words when comparing one of the most entertaining athletes ever to a faceup center that spent most of his career managing his knees. and bringing up big games in the playoffs, pfft, AI had more on one run. the knicks never went anywhere, and when they did, ewing was either outplayed or totally absent.

allen is a nonstarter, cmon, i called him a HOFer before just about anyone and love the guy's game. but he was never the force AI was, no one would have made that assertion when they were peers at any level.

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he was actually mostly terrible in the Chicago & Indiana series, missing open threes & clanking free throws uncharacteristically.

Ray Allen's a shooter, he keeps in great shape & runs around the perimeter a la Reggie or Rip (before he fell off a cliff).

But he wasn't a take-over-a-game/carry-a-team guy like Iverson was for his first 12-14 seasons.

That's part of why AI & a beat-up ragtag bunch won 4 games to Ray's 2 while playing with two other All-Stars.

And cried about not going to the line the whole time meanwhile never took it to the cup.

Ray Allen was never a Top 10 player in the league.

He's not even better than Paul Pierce who's also not better than Iverson.

I ain't gonna argue with you about it tho since you my man & I know you're taking up for Ray as a Heat Fan.

Ray was the man between Dale Ellis and Reggie Miller and kinda stuck between both, however Ray was big during that celtic run and IMO the celtics missed him this year in a big way.

he is a HOF though and his numbers are good and he got the ring already.

i can't argue against him verus AI in the League and Paul Pierce, though Paul Pierce came up huge back in 08 and that finals took him to a whole different level especially in celtic lore

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