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ThaTruth
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"So do you all think Spanish Chocolate will ever turn the corner?"


          

He had a good game last night but he was coming off a 3 or 4 game stretch where he had been terrible. He's still only shooting like 35%. I think an ideal situation for him would be for him to be on a team of scorers and all he had to do was distribute the ball like a young Rondo was with the Celtics. I don't know if Rubio will ever be a consistent, efficient scorer because he wasn't even that in Europe. He's 22 going on 23 so the "he's young" PLEA COP is wearing thin, I think next season might be make or break for him. Love too, really. Rubio came into the NBA with a lot of hype but as of right now he's been not much more than a middle-class man's Jason Williams.

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23 isn't young anymore?
Apr 14th 2013
1
in a league that has 24 yr old 4 time allstars? not really
Apr 14th 2013
2
      Right, part of the hype was that he had been playing with grown men...
Apr 14th 2013
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      not really though, no one thought he was going to be like parker
Apr 14th 2013
5
           Nah, there's a lot of back pedaling now but after his coming out party.....
Apr 14th 2013
7
                you read things you make up, i read the news
Apr 15th 2013
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      few things
Apr 14th 2013
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           I'm gonna hit the pause button for a second right here....
Apr 15th 2013
29
                right, and what's the deal with Adelman's wife? lol
Apr 15th 2013
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                naw
Apr 15th 2013
37
Do Hersheys make spanish chocolate?
Apr 14th 2013
4
Sergio Rodriguez was nicknamed Spanish Chocolate (El Chacho)
Apr 14th 2013
6
      I was about to say...
Apr 14th 2013
11
           eh, wouldn't be the first recycled nickname+chacho wasnt popular
Apr 15th 2013
13
                At least White Chocolate made more sense
Apr 15th 2013
43
                     the point is he's basically a remix verson of Jason Williams...
Apr 15th 2013
44
                          lol i love the exaggeration, "unique" is not "revolutionary"
Apr 15th 2013
49
you come up with spanish chocolate? its good
Apr 14th 2013
8
he's already turned the corner.
Apr 14th 2013
10
youre talking to boxscore bob here and a guy who said ...
Apr 15th 2013
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Lol, you were one of his main dickriders, you were backpedal above....
Apr 15th 2013
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      i said he was better than jennings and would be a good point guard
Apr 15th 2013
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           jennings better
Apr 15th 2013
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                right today but long term i still think rubio will be better
Apr 15th 2013
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                disagree.
Apr 17th 2013
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                     more to the point, he's developing. jennings is stuck
Apr 17th 2013
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way to try to be slick, lol...
Apr 15th 2013
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      huh?
Apr 15th 2013
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           Why the parentheses?
Apr 15th 2013
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                because the proportional part is important?
Apr 15th 2013
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                     OR you were trying to be slick and make people think Rubio shoots...
Apr 15th 2013
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                          http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb150/TOTO-LERO/gifs/jagxw8jpg.gif
Apr 15th 2013
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                          Wtf!?
Apr 15th 2013
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fancy and average. not better than mike conley jr.
Apr 15th 2013
23
damn...yall bodied this man in his own post
Apr 15th 2013
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lol it happens regularly.
Apr 15th 2013
25
did they really? Guinny through out some of his bs stats but...
Apr 15th 2013
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      lulz
Apr 15th 2013
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      lmao..he ain't get dunked on tho (c) tokpr
Apr 15th 2013
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      yes
Apr 15th 2013
33
           lol wut
Apr 15th 2013
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                his question was "did they really?" my answer was "yes".
Apr 15th 2013
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                     hahah
Apr 15th 2013
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if this is your way of accepting your Jeremy Lin L, i accept btw.
Apr 15th 2013
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let's just wait till Lin hits the dagger that sends the Lakers on vacay
Apr 15th 2013
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for what? he's not doing anything special by any standard, lol
Apr 15th 2013
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      you said he sucks..he doesn't. you lost.
Apr 15th 2013
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           he's a poor man's Mike Conley, pretty much anybody playing...
Apr 15th 2013
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                Rubio is 13 and 8 since the break
Apr 15th 2013
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                he doesn't delve that deep, he just barely discovered game logs
Apr 15th 2013
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                You said he sucks....he doesn't. You lost lol
Apr 15th 2013
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                     ^^^PLEAS COPPED. Its all right there in the post I linked....
Apr 15th 2013
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                          right cause thats all you ever said about lin huh?
Apr 15th 2013
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Overall, he's played very well since the All star break
Apr 15th 2013
45
The guy is one of a kind
Apr 15th 2013
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the funny this is dude is going so hard on this when ...
Apr 15th 2013
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RE: the funny this is dude is going so hard on this when ...
Apr 15th 2013
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      he hasn't shot the ball well, other than that, pretty good
Apr 16th 2013
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           He's shooting 29% in April, his team is 4-5
Apr 16th 2013
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                it's like you're addicted to taking Ls
Apr 16th 2013
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                RE: it's like you're addicted to taking Ls
Apr 16th 2013
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                hasnt shot well+.500=already covered that ground
Apr 16th 2013
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                     He's sucked in April, you unsuccessfully tried to spin it
Apr 16th 2013
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                          spin it to say what? he's been OK?
Apr 16th 2013
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                               he's sucked.
Apr 16th 2013
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                                    how many games have you seen?
Apr 16th 2013
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                                         29%
Apr 17th 2013
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Odd question for a second year player injured in his first year
Apr 16th 2013
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i fixed it
Apr 17th 2013
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I stand corrected. He's probably got a Kevin Garnet tattoo.
Apr 17th 2013
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Actually it's a pretty common question for someone headed into their...
Apr 17th 2013
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      u say "heading in to their 3rd season" but dude has played 97 games
Apr 17th 2013
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           lol right.
Apr 17th 2013
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           Yes
Apr 17th 2013
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           He's heading into his 3rd season collecting NBA paychecks...
Apr 17th 2013
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                you're wrong, shut up.
Apr 17th 2013
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                suck an HIV-infected dick
Apr 17th 2013
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                so what, Minny should take his knee to arbitration?
Apr 17th 2013
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                RE: so what, Minny should take his knee to arbitration?
Apr 17th 2013
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                So getting paid=NBA playing experience now?
Apr 17th 2013
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                RE: So getting paid=NBA playing experience now?
Apr 17th 2013
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                he will keep collecting checks. big ones.
Apr 17th 2013
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You compared him to the wrong Jason: he's been alot more like Kidd
Apr 17th 2013
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Kidd was better in every facet except ft shooting
Apr 17th 2013
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      and yet another L
Apr 17th 2013
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      NBA games are 48 minutes, clown.
Apr 17th 2013
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      Rubio gets more steals, has higher AST%, same AST/TO
Apr 17th 2013
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           yeah, that's all...
Apr 17th 2013
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                did you miss the second part?
Apr 17th 2013
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                he's a big L-magnet.
Apr 17th 2013
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                Do you understand how a basketball game works? A team wins...
Apr 17th 2013
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                     Brilliant analysis.
Apr 18th 2013
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                          this is the dumbest thing i've read since subjctmaters boston rant
Apr 18th 2013
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                god damn you are just making it worse
Apr 17th 2013
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                     go running with scissors
Apr 17th 2013
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still king of the budd dwyer caliber self-inflicted L, huh?
Apr 17th 2013
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he's an L-absorbing cum-rag
Apr 18th 2013
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U mad, doggie?
Apr 18th 2013
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Lol
Apr 18th 2013
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So where are we at with this gentlemen?
Mar 09th 2016
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white media, analytic meatheads still copping pleas
Mar 09th 2016
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not much has changed. reply #10 is still completely accurate.
Mar 09th 2016
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FOH dude, lol...how important was his free throw rate here:
Mar 10th 2016
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is there another guy who shot FTs so well but so poorly from the floor?
Mar 10th 2016
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RE: is there another guy who shot FTs so well but so poorly from the flo...
Mar 10th 2016
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      so what isn't he good at besides shooting?
Mar 10th 2016
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           What IS he good at besides passing?
Mar 10th 2016
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                Defense
Mar 11th 2016
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                     Except that he's not great on defense, like, at all
Mar 11th 2016
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                     #wellactually
Mar 11th 2016
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                     Not at all, he gets steals but he's not a good on the ball defender
Mar 11th 2016
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                          Reply 132
Mar 12th 2016
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                          lulz. like you'd know.
Mar 12th 2016
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Dula you cape for bum ass Euro guards like no one
Mar 10th 2016
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      LOL - he got a Euro soft spot from watching all that art house cinema
Mar 10th 2016
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      roflz.
Mar 10th 2016
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           Man I'm just giving you shit/at least u ain't say Trump
Mar 10th 2016
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                all bullshit aside tho, fam...
Mar 11th 2016
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                     Dog. Rubio was WILDLY HYPED coming in.
Mar 12th 2016
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                          stop playing dumb.
Mar 12th 2016
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                               Nah, he's done nothing, at all, Dula. And is rated fairly.
Mar 12th 2016
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                                    it's cool, man. we disagree. not the first time lol.
Mar 12th 2016
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Dude would EAT on the Hawks (4 shooters on the floor)
Mar 09th 2016
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Lol that trade would be bad for both teams.
Mar 10th 2016
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      Big Dummy, Dragic/Bledsoe didn't fail that was Isaiah/Dragic/Bledsoe
Mar 10th 2016
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           Lol horrible analogy re ATL. And i guess you misspoke...
Mar 11th 2016
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                Tony/Manu did run PnRs w/ Tim when he wasn't posting up
Mar 11th 2016
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I didn't see this thread at the time.
Mar 10th 2016
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      Its generally the latter around here...
Mar 10th 2016
118
funny...
Mar 10th 2016
107
Typical Monday Morning QB white douche behavior
Mar 10th 2016
114
THE 26TH LETTER ZAKIM ALLAH on the mystery of ricky rubio:
Mar 10th 2016
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lol, he typed a lot of words just to say Rubio is a one trick pony...
Mar 10th 2016
119
lulz
Mar 10th 2016
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      He kinda right, tho.
Mar 11th 2016
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           i mean... not really, nigga.
Mar 11th 2016
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           Let's not mention Rondo and Rubio together.
Mar 11th 2016
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                Yeah, let's not
Mar 11th 2016
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                     And you used post #197 to throw support behind Rubio?
Mar 11th 2016
133
Zach Hoe rode Dion Waiters & abandoned him like a step-child
Mar 11th 2016
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yeah for whatever reason dula worships at the feet of that hack
Mar 11th 2016
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      That's b/c he predicted that the Bulls will be the #1 seed-->
Mar 12th 2016
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i like Zach okay but he needs to let this one go
Mar 11th 2016
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      Most of these sportswriter dudes are so full of themselves, lol...
Mar 12th 2016
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           That's b/c cats like Dula worship at their altar
Mar 12th 2016
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lol @ this being on page one tonight
Mar 11th 2016
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Dude just beat OKC on their homecourt w/ a 3 pointer, LoL
Mar 11th 2016
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BESAME EL CULO, PUTA! (c) Pretty Ricky
Mar 12th 2016
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shooting improved every month this season.
Mar 29th 2016
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welp
Jun 23rd 2016
150
Ricky Rubio is not an NBA player, and MIN won't amount to $hit
Nov 18th 2016
151
Sergio?
Nov 19th 2016
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      Ricky just shat on him = 4 points.?!
Nov 19th 2016
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So is this still an L or nah?
Dec 20th 2016
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survey sayyyyyyys - YES!
Apr 24th 2018
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damn...
Jan 03rd 2017
155
he sucks but hes actually the kind of pg they need
Jan 03rd 2017
156
      he sucks but I'd prolly still take him in Philly
Jan 03rd 2017
157
      he's a liability, he basically gives the defense an extra player
Jan 03rd 2017
158
Dude been balling lately. Took forever, though.
Mar 15th 2017
159
Playoff Rubio!
Apr 22nd 2018
160
YA HA EMPEZADO LA POSTTEMPORADA, VALE!?!
Apr 23rd 2018
161
So happy for him
Apr 24th 2018
162
Lmao this stupid
Apr 24th 2018
164
There's a lot of replies for this tank'd title.
Apr 24th 2018
165

CherNic
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1. "23 isn't young anymore?"
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2. "in a league that has 24 yr old 4 time allstars? not really"
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unless it's a big man waiting for his body to fill out
the age thing seems like a empty plea cop most times
it's really about yrs of experience if anything, and even then it's typically about building on already evident talent instead of "developing"
and rubio has like 8+ yrs of professional experience or something crazy like that so....

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3. "Right, part of the hype was that he had been playing with grown men..."
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since he was like 14, lol

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5. "not really though, no one thought he was going to be like parker"
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and step right in. he had holes in his game plus a lack of physical maturity.

when you lose a season and a half of development to injury and you don't come over right away, that changes things.

this year was a writeoff to me, next year it's time for real scrutiny and reevaluation IMO.

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7. "Nah, there's a lot of back pedaling now but after his coming out party....."
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at the 08 Olympics a lot people anointed him and thought he was ready

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12. "you read things you make up, i read the news"
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i think that's why we differ on a lot of things.

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9. "few things"
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>unless it's a big man waiting for his body to fill out
>the age thing seems like a empty plea cop most times
>it's really about yrs of experience if anything, and even then
>it's typically about building on already evident talent
>instead of "developing"
>and rubio has like 8+ yrs of professional experience or
>something crazy like that so....

relative to a rubio, take bron & melo for example. w/ aau and elite hs teams being borderline NCAA squads, elite american hs players have been playing in their version of the NBA since they're 12-13 years old. It's the same dudes different hs/aau/college/pro uniforms.

rubio for all the pro experience he got, wasn't playing against NBA caliber guys all those years. guys on his national team here and there, but mostly guys who'd be dleaguers or 12-15 men at best in the nba. There's no way to prepare for the physicality and speed of american basketball if you haven't played it. Which is why most euro's suck when they get here. and conversely why the us has had tough games in international competition.

he's also coming off an acl. one that's gonna keep rose out a year, ad which fucked shumperts confidence up which he's *just* getting back. it takes a sec.

and last, I guess cause they're not as outwardly dysfunctional as the kings, but Minnesota is a terrible incubator for player development. b.roy's knees, adelman's wife situation, love being hurt, kahn having decisionmaking power, it's a mess.

better time to evaluate him would be ASG next year.

  

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29. "I'm gonna hit the pause button for a second right here...."
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>Minnesota is a terrible incubator for player
>development. b.roy's knees

Brandon Roy retired from basketball before ever touching a Minnesota jersey, because of his bad knees. He unretired to try a comeback, but you can't blame that failure on Minny at all.

*Jews you*

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31. "right, and what's the deal with Adelman's wife? lol"
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37. "naw"
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not saying minnesota has ANYTHING to do with that.
it's just that it's not like that team has been whole w/ all it's presumed pieces and THEN rubio's been awful.

between the coach missing time, guys being hurt, and a bad front office, the likelihood of someone off an acl being super successful in that environment is type slim.

minny is probably going to have to ship love out, see what he brings back, build around ricky draft picks and the love package, and see what's what.

  

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4. "Do Hersheys make spanish chocolate?"
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i went to CVS/pharmacy and could not find any

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6. "Sergio Rodriguez was nicknamed Spanish Chocolate (El Chacho)"
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I think the ship has sailed with Sergio.

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13. "eh, wouldn't be the first recycled nickname+chacho wasnt popular"
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43. "At least White Chocolate made more sense"
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I've always like Pretty Ricky but if you're name is as catch as Ricky Rubio, you don't really need a nickname.

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44. "the point is he's basically a remix verson of Jason Williams..."
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not some revolutionary player that's going to change the game.

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49. "lol i love the exaggeration, "unique" is not "revolutionary""
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"potential all star" is not "surefire hall of famer"

let me ask you this, do you think the twolves are disappointed? should have kept flynn instead?

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8. "you come up with spanish chocolate? its good"
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10. "he's already turned the corner."
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he's very good.

people are getting too hung up on those horrible FG and 3PT percentages. yes, they suck. but rubio goes to the line (proportionally to his FGAs) more than any other PG in the NBA. the only one close is ramon sessions, then it's an enormous drop off to wall, lowry, paul and westbrook. and rubio shoots 80% from the stripe.

so despite his hideous shooting from the field, rubio's TS% is 48%. that's bad--evan turner bad, monta ellis bad, raymond felton bad--but less offensive than his shooting would indicate. you're looking at batting average and not noticing how much the player walks.

beyond that, he's a beast. double the average steals for a PG, way more assists and even more rebounds. if he can get his shooting into a respectable range, he'll be one of the best PGs in the league.


  

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14. "youre talking to boxscore bob here and a guy who said ..."
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people thought he was NBA ready out of the box, so there's that.

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15. "Lol, you were one of his main dickriders, you were backpedal above...."
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but now that Guinny has thrown out some bullshit ass numbers you think you have somebody to ride with

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27. "i said he was better than jennings and would be a good point guard"
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i am not backing off either of those statements. go find the posts, i never said he was nba ready, i never said he was a good shooter, i never said he was physically mature.

he will get there. his stroke will improve, it'll never be great but yes i think he can hit above 40% and his TS% will be in the 50s for sure.

he's still one of the best playmakers in the league already. you will regret hating on this guy for whatever reason.

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38. "jennings better"
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50. "right today but long term i still think rubio will be better"
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of course it's not something i give much thought to, you asked me, better or not? i said yes. somehowm despite both players being only halfway remarkable, we keep talking about it.

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69. "disagree."
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rubio's a shitty shooter, but he and jennings have around the same TS% due to rubio getting to the line waaaaaaaaaay more. and rubio's better at everything else. it won't even be a discussion next season.

  

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94. "more to the point, he's developing. jennings is stuck"
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16. "way to try to be slick, lol..."
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>but rubio goes to the line
>(proportionally to his FGAs) more than any other PG in the
>NBA. the only one close is ramon sessions, then it's an
>enormous drop off to wall, lowry, paul and westbrook.

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17. "huh?"
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it's a pretty straight-forward stat: FTA per FGA.

http://hoopdata.com/scoringstats.aspx

out of players who play a lot, dwight howard (.87) and reggie evans (.85) are way above everyone (one gets intentionally fouled all the time, the other is extremely physical and rarely shoots from the floor). tyson chandler is high too (.66), which is one of the reasons he leads in the NBA in TS%.

out of volume scorers, harden is highest at .60 and durant is next at .53. rubio is .52. there's not a single guard in the NBA besides harden that shoots more FTAs per FGA than rubio. honestly, i had no idea that was the case until i looked at his season numbers because of this post. after sessions, those other PGs i listed are at .38 to .40, which is a pretty substantial drop-off.

if this is confusing or "bullshit" to you, then you need to reevaluate if basketball is something you care about.

  

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18. "Why the parentheses?"
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19. "because the proportional part is important?"
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per 36 minutes, rubio averages 11 FGA and 5.7 FTA. (.52)
per 36 minutes, jrue averages 16 FGA and 3 FTA. (.19)

it's not just that rubio shoots twice as many free throws as jrue, it's that he does it on significantly less shots. as a result of this huge disparity in getting to the line, jrue's TS% is 49%. that's about the same as rubio's, despite the fact that jrue shoots 43% from the floor and 37% from 3PT.

for someone who loves box-scores, you're really bad at this.

  

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20. "OR you were trying to be slick and make people think Rubio shoots..."
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more ft's than Westbrook

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21. "http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb150/TOTO-LERO/gifs/jagxw8jpg.gif"
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http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb150/TOTO-LERO/gifs/jagxw8jpg.gif

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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22. "Wtf!?"
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23. "fancy and average. not better than mike conley jr. "
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24. "damn...yall bodied this man in his own post"
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25. "lol it happens regularly."
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26. "did they really? Guinny through out some of his bs stats but..."
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at the end of the day nothing was proven or disproven. The bottom line is still that Pretty Ricky needs to show and prove next season. Its basically a contract year for him.

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28. "lulz"
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30. "lmao..he ain't get dunked on tho (c) tokpr"
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33. "yes"
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34. "lol wut"
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nothing he said is accurate.

rubio is already very good, even coming back from a serious knee injury.
the t-wolves are obviously picking up his option for 14/15. he's an absolute steal at $5M.
then they'll give him a qualifying offer for 15/16 and match the $12M someone offers him.
he's the franchise.

  

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35. "his question was "did they really?" my answer was "yes"."
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36. "hahah"
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32. "if this is your way of accepting your Jeremy Lin L, i accept btw."
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39. "let's just wait till Lin hits the dagger that sends the Lakers on vacay"
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40. "for what? he's not doing anything special by any standard, lol"
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41. "you said he sucks..he doesn't. you lost."
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AND houston is in the playoffs to boot.

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42. "he's a poor man's Mike Conley, pretty much anybody playing..."
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starters minutes can do 13&6(except Rubio).

Quit trying to spin shit, the bar was set, he didn't hit either mark, cry:http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2056858&mesg_id=2056858&listing_type=search#2057105

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46. "Rubio is 13 and 8 since the break"
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Overall numbers are down because he was playing limited minutes his first month back, coming off a major injury.

  

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51. "he doesn't delve that deep, he just barely discovered game logs"
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now you want him to look at splits? understand numbers?

don't overwhelm him. he has special needs.

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47. "You said he sucks....he doesn't. You lost lol"
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Talk about spinning stuff.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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48. "^^^PLEAS COPPED. Its all right there in the post I linked...."
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above, you and Shawn even tried to get it down to 16&6 and he couldn't even hit that. Bottom line is he DOES suck. There are a million guys who could've done 13&6 playing alongside Harden. You're not get getting off that easy, the L is for YOU, bitch.

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53. "right cause thats all you ever said about lin huh?"
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Lmao hes not good enough to get minutes on the knicks right?
He'll never drop 20 again right???

L's....everything you've said since that initial lin thread has been you tryna recover from that lin thread..aka you moving goalposts.

Remember when toney douglas was supposed to take his starting gig along with aaron brooks???

L's on top of L's.

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45. "Overall, he's played very well since the All star break"
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And while his shooting %'s aren't good, they are up since the break.

And we're talking about a guy whose played about one full season in the league, as far as games played.

He's already a good PG.

  

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52. "The guy is one of a kind"
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http://splicd.com/zgxcwBwuBEM/354/363

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Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)

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54. "the funny this is dude is going so hard on this when ..."
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rubio had a great march.

the guy is a playmaker. NO ONE ever said he was a shooter. NO ONE said he was gary payton on defense.

he runs the game, he creates offense and he creates energy. you see his impact in games (if you start watching those) and, if you want stats, the guy is fourth in the NBA in assists per 48 (or 36 or per minute, all the same here) and of those four guys (Paul, Rondo, Vasquez) he has the best A/TO ratio.

so, how is this guy disappointing?

i forgot this is the same dumbfuck who thinks duncan and russell are garbage because they don't score 30 points a game.

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55. "RE: the funny this is dude is going so hard on this when ..."
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>rubio had a great march.

How's his April been?

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56. "he hasn't shot the ball well, other than that, pretty good "
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i mean before you went on this woefully unsuccessful hating spree, he just had a 24-point game on OK shooting from the field (44.4) with ten assists and five boards. he's had four double-digit assist games in just under two weeks. he even had a couple decent games from distance, including a 5-of-6 night from the arc. he's had about five FTAs a game and hit at a nice clip from the stripe. one game he had a lot of turnovers, otherwise he's taken care of the ball and maintained his high ast/to ratio.

his team has gone .500 this month, not bad for them.

so, again, i don't understand calling him out now. at least that other dummy was smart enough to kick him while he was actually down.

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57. "He's shooting 29% in April, his team is 4-5"
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58. "it's like you're addicted to taking Ls"
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rough year for you, friendo

  

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60. "RE: it's like you're addicted to taking Ls"
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http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/64924202/SH33N+CharlieSheenWinning.jpg

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59. "hasnt shot well+.500=already covered that ground"
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they were 4-4 when i replied.

i'm glad they lost last night, one step closer to putting an end to all laker talk for the season.

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61. "He's sucked in April, you unsuccessfully tried to spin it"
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62. "spin it to say what? he's been OK?"
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i am even confining this to boxscore verifiable content for you

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63. "he's sucked."
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64. "how many games have you seen?"
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how about 10 and 12 assists? sorry? 24 points? sorry? 5-6 from three? sorry? these all happened in different games, too. he's had some stinkers from the field and a couple outright bad games, OK, so?

you are talking about him on a level with guys who are doing nothing in the league, not even playing.

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67. "29%"
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>how about 10 and 12 assists? sorry? 24 points? sorry? 5-6
>from three? sorry? these all happened in different games,
>too. he's had some stinkers from the field and a couple
>outright bad games, OK, so?
>
>you are talking about him on a level with guys who are doing
>nothing in the league, not even playing.

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65. "Odd question for a second year player injured in his first year"
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LOL@22-23 not being young.

You've got a hate hard-on for Minny players it seems.

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66. "i fixed it"
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>LOL@22-23 not being young.
>
>You've got a hate hard-on for non black players it seems.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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78. "I stand corrected. He's probably got a Kevin Garnet tattoo. "
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68. "Actually it's a pretty common question for someone headed into their..."
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3rd NBA season.

>LOL@22-23 not being young.

It's not for someone that has been playing professional ball since they were a teenager.

>You've got a hate hard-on for Minny players it seems.

I talk about everybody, certain people are just more sensitive about certain players than others.

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70. "u say "heading in to their 3rd season" but dude has played 97 games"
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he hasnt even *finished* his second year and the first one was an abbreviated lockout season

at least be honest

  

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71. "lol right."
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73. "He's heading into his 3rd season collecting NBA paychecks..."
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the fact that he's only played 97 games is another negative.

And for the people that think I'm picking on him similar things have been said about Kyrie. Blake Griffin was in Rubio's draft class, missed his first year, nobody was COPPING PLEAS for him, he got a lot of criticism last year and if the Clippers don't go deep in the playoffs a lot of fingers will be pointed at him even though he just turned 24 a month ago.

Like I said the bottom line is by at least that 3rd year most teams are looking to see a return on their investment especially for a #5 overall pick.

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74. "you're wrong, shut up."
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you haven't made a single point other than that he has a shabby FG%.

  

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76. "suck an HIV-infected dick"
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75. "so what, Minny should take his knee to arbitration?"
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>the fact that he's only played 97 games is another negative.

dude had an ACL injury spanning the end of last sesaon and the beginning of this one.

also, thats out of a possible 145, not 164. last year was not normal.

>And for the people that think I'm picking on him similar
>things have been said about Kyrie. Blake Griffin was in
>Rubio's draft class, missed his first year, nobody was COPPING
>PLEAS for him, he got a lot of criticism last year and if the
>Clippers don't go deep in the playoffs a lot of fingers will
>be pointed at him even though he just turned 24 a month ago.

uh, no, he wont. he will have to play epically bad for anyone to blame him, since everyone knows hes second fiddle out there

>Like I said the bottom line is by at least that 3rd year most
>teams are looking to see a return on their investment
>especially for a #5 overall pick.

except when a player gets injured in an abbreviated season. im pretty sure the T-Wolves will be content to hold off all judgment until after next year is over. 83 games from now.

  

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79. "RE: so what, Minny should take his knee to arbitration?"
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>uh, no, he wont. he will have to play epically bad for anyone
>to blame him, since everyone knows hes second fiddle out
>there

Even last year people were more critical of Griffin than they were Rubio's much hyped teammate.

>except when a player gets injured in an abbreviated season.
>im pretty sure the T-Wolves will be content to hold off all
>judgment until after next year is over. 83 games from now.

Say what you want but the clock is ticking on Rubio, Kahn and Adelman. Lets not act like the organization didn't wait 2 years for him to come over here after they drafted him.

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77. "So getting paid=NBA playing experience now? "
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Wowsers@that logic.

Oh, and playing with grown men?

You in a Euro league where teenagers are commonplace?

That's somehow the same as playing in the NBA?

Oh and 'same draft class' as Blake is not 'started playing in the NBA at the same time'.

You make way too many dishonest arguments to be taken seriously.

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80. "RE: So getting paid=NBA playing experience now? "
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>Wowsers@that logic.
>
>Oh, and playing with grown men?
>
>You in a Euro league where teenagers are commonplace?
>
>That's somehow the same as playing in the NBA?

That was always touted as a plus for him before, now it's a PLEA COP

>Oh and 'same draft class' as Blake is not 'started playing in
>the NBA at the same time'.

I never said they did, the point is no one has given Blake a pass.

>You make way too many dishonest arguments to be taken
>seriously.

It's not my fault you have poor reading comprehension.

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93. "he will keep collecting checks. big ones."
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81. "You compared him to the wrong Jason: he's been alot more like Kidd"
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=kiddja01&y1=1996&p2=rubiori01&y2=2013

same ast/36min, same ast/TO, Kidd's FG% a little higher, Rubio's TS% a little higher.


and LOL at this:

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82. "Kidd was better in every facet except ft shooting"
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83. "and yet another L"
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look at 36 minutes, clown.

  

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85. "NBA games are 48 minutes, clown."
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84. "Rubio gets more steals, has higher AST%, same AST/TO"
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Kidd scored 3.6 more points/game taking 4.2 more shots per game.

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86. "yeah, that's all..."
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>Kidd scored 3.6 more points/game taking 4.2 more shots per
>game.

STFU jackass

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87. "did you miss the second part? "
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Kidd scored more because he took 4 more shots per game dumbass. Rubio scores more points/shot.



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88. "he's a big L-magnet."
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Ls from all over the sporting world flying through the air and sticking to his forehead

  

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90. "Do you understand how a basketball game works? A team wins... "
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by scoring more points than the other, not by who scores the most "points per shot", lol.

You think Glen Taylor gives a flying fuck about Rubio's TS%? He wants to print some playoff tickets.

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98. "Brilliant analysis."
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> A team wins by scoring more points than the other

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99. "this is the dumbest thing i've read since subjctmaters boston rant"
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>by scoring more points than the other, not by who scores the most "points per shot", lol.

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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89. "god damn you are just making it worse"
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no one remembers when someone says "oops i was wrong"

everyone remembers when someone rolls around in their L's, asking for more like a pig in shit

  

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91. "go running with scissors"
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92. "still king of the budd dwyer caliber self-inflicted L, huh?"
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95. "he's an L-absorbing cum-rag"
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96. "U mad, doggie?"
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97. "Lol"
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100. "So where are we at with this gentlemen?"
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101. "white media, analytic meatheads still copping pleas"
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"analytic meatheads"=people who throw around advanced stats without understanding the math behind them. I just invented the term. y'all can have it.

they're the ones telling you about on/off numbers with Rubio this season and think things like RPM can control for the fact that I am a better PG than whoever the Wolves have running backup at this moment.

he a below average starter that white people really want to be more but isn't.

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102. "not much has changed. reply #10 is still completely accurate."
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to wit: still can't shoot a lick (which is somewhat mitigated by his insane free throw rate) but well above average / borderline elite at his position at literally every other aspect of basketball.

the FT rate is important to note. rubio's is currently at .573 (http://bkref.com/tiny/E9eum) which means that for every 10 shots he takes from the field he's also shooting almost 6 FTAs. that's a ridiculous number. first among starting PGs by a mile. the closest starting overall guard is harden @ .539, and the next starting PGs on the list are lowry, westbrook and lil zeke who are all in the .380-.390 range. dude gets to the line a ton, and shoots it well from there (84% this yr, 81% for his career)

so his scoring efficiency is really the key. how much he eventually improves in that area (he's currently at a career best .521 TS% which is much-improved but still not great) will ultimately determine how good of a player he ends up being, because he's already really good at everything else. top 5 rebounder at his position (only westbrook, rondo and MCW are better), obviously a top 5 passer, and also one of the best defensive PGs (people will dispute this, they are dead wrong and don't actually watch him)

dude is good. with the right players around him, a smart front office can certainly build a winning team with rubio at PG. wolves best lineup imo is with bjelica and KAT up front, wiggz and zach on the wings and rubio orchestrating the show. i wish they'd play those 5 together more. i know bjelica's out now, but that 5 didn't get much run even when he was healthy.

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105. "FOH dude, lol...how important was his free throw rate here:"
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https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs-minnesota-timberwolves-2016030816/

He got schooled by 40 year-old Andre Miller and and was benched for 19 year-old Tyson Jones.

He's the weak line on that team. 5 years in the league and and he's still NEVER shot 40%. And unlike guys like Rondo he doesn't have the quickness and athletic ability to get to the rim regular.

Bottom line, dude is a bust and will never live up to the hype.

Chalk another one up for Truthstradamus.

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108. "is there another guy who shot FTs so well but so poorly from the floor?"
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I can't think of one. FT% is typically a fairly decent gauge of how well a guy can shoot, some variation either way but for the most part guys who consistently shoot over 80% from the line are pretty decent shooters from the floor or are able to develop a decent J. Can't think of anyone who shot 80% FTs and had as bad of a jumpshot as Rubio.

it's a shame because yeah he's really good at everything else.

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109. "RE: is there another guy who shot FTs so well but so poorly from the flo..."
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>it's a shame because yeah he's really good at everything
>else.

No he's not, that's why he's losing minutes to Tyus Jones.

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111. "so what isn't he good at besides shooting?"
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>>it's a shame because yeah he's really good at everything
>>else.
>
>No he's not, that's why he's losing minutes to Tyus Jones.

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116. "What IS he good at besides passing?"
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127. "Defense"
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Ricky has been #1 in defensive RPM among guards for several years now.

  

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128. "Except that he's not great on defense, like, at all"
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132. "#wellactually"
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he leads all 2015-16 point guards in steal percentage (3.3%), offensive fouls drawn (39) and defensive plus-minus (2.24)

and he's held his own against the elites:
http://dunkingwithwolves.com/2015/09/05/on-ricky-rubios-on-ball-defense-against-elite-point-guards/

so he certainly isn't *bad*

"good" is a pretty fair assessment imo

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135. "Not at all, he gets steals but he's not a good on the ball defender"
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140. "Reply 132"
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Rubio been putting the clamps on guys for some time.

  

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143. "lulz. like you'd know."
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man, you know damn well you ain't watched 10 full timberwolves games since rubio's been in the league. shit, we ALL know that.

you have absolutely no clue what type of defender he is. none. why ppl insist on pretending they know about shit that they don't, i'll never understand.

http://dunkingwithwolves.com/2015/09/05/on-ricky-rubios-on-ball-defense-against-elite-point-guards/

last year, point guards averaged 14.4 PPG on 37% FG against rubio.

curry, paul, irving, wall, lowry, lawson, bledsoe, teague, all scored and/or shot well below their season averages against him.

talk about it.


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110. "Dula you cape for bum ass Euro guards like no one"
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I see how you threw Drajic in the bushes right fast


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112. "LOL - he got a Euro soft spot from watching all that art house cinema"
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___________________

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115. "roflz."
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http://tinyurl.com/pxxua9f

getcha boy, O! it's not too late!! he misses his daddy!!!

>I see how you threw Drajic in the bushes right fast

cmon my dude. seriously.

i "cape" for dragic?

weaving them ted cruz narratives, i see.

i've literally mentioned dragic ONCE on this board. ever.
right after he was traded to miami. and i'd totally forgotten
about it til you mentioned it just now. straight hilarity that
that's still stuck in your craw.

"let it go" © adele dazeem

btw: you know ya mans j kidd loves rubio, right? absolutely LOVES
him. did everything he could to try to trade for him last month.

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121. "Man I'm just giving you shit/at least u ain't say Trump"
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>weaving them ted cruz narratives, i see.


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131. "all bullshit aside tho, fam..."
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i honestly just try to ride for guys who i don't feel get their just due.

i was one of the biggest kyle lowry supporters here for years. same with millsap, going back to utah. same with george hill and khris middleton. and MKG and biyombo. pat beverley and lil zeke. and jimmy butler and noah, before everyone got on board.

etc etc.

i don't think rubio is "overhyped" or whatever at all. actually the exact opposite, outside of a few basketbloggers most folks feel the same way y'all do: "dude can't shoot and his team sucks, he's a bum"

and that just is not the case.

4th among starting PGs in rebounding. 3rd in ast/TO. 1st in steal percentage. 1st in offensive fouls drawn. 1st in free throw rate.

dude is good. he can play. just can't shoot. s'all i'm saying.

truth asked a question ("will rubio ever turn the corner?"), i tried to give an honest answer ("depends on whether he can continue improving his scoring efficiency, that's where he's got the most room for growth since he's already good at everything else").

i thought it was a good answer.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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141. "Dog. Rubio was WILDLY HYPED coming in. "
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http://espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3469578

I'm not gonna let you try to shift the narrative
like that, bruh

He was SEVERELY HYPED coming into the league

He's NEVER been "underrated."

So he doesn't need your support.

He was SUPPOSED to be GREAT.

That's why the question Truth asking is fair:

"Did he turn the corner?"

The answer is "no, he hasn't."

Fine player. But there's a reason he has never come close
to playing on a good team. As in, ALL HIS TEAMS been bad.






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144. "stop playing dumb."
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i'm talking about NOW, guy.

when he came in the league, he was hyped. yes, of course. duh.

has he lived up to that hype as of yet? no.

but NOW, right today, most people think of him as a bust and a bum.

he's better than most ppl think he is right today, tho not as good as his pre-draft hype.

is he overhyped or overrated in 2016? fuck no. who rates him high? nobody, man. lol

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147. "Nah, he's done nothing, at all, Dula. And is rated fairly. "
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He has NEVER contributed to a winning team. He has
NEVER made a dent on a halfway decent team, EVER.

Y'all were saying KEVIN LOVE WAS TOP 5 on horrid teams.

Now y'all don't mention him AT ALL. Why?

Because he ain't that fucking good. You gotta perform
on decent teams to get ANY mention, especially when
you're not a youngin.

Rubio is NOT young.

He's NOT going improve.

If he's worthy of any REAL notice, he'd make a dent on
a good team.

Lowrie? Worked hard, with NONE of Rubio's hype, contributes
to good teams.

Kemba? Worked hard, drafted lower than Rubio, already better
than Rubio could ever hope to be, LEADING good teams.

Lillard? Less hype than Rubio, LEADING good teams.

These guys get credit because they contribute, make real dents
on good teams.

Rubio has been a non-factor on horrid teams.

HOPEFULLY he CAN ride the coattails of guys who are
ACTUALLY good (KAT, etc) and do something of merit.

Let's see.


>he's better than most ppl think he is right today, tho not as
>good as his pre-draft hype.
>
>is he overhyped or overrated in 2016? fuck no. who rates him
>high? nobody, man. lol


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148. "it's cool, man. we disagree. not the first time lol."
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rubio's a good player. he'll be fine. that team's going places. party while you still can.

enjoyed this pre-emptive salvo btw, good stuff:

>
>HOPEFULLY he CAN ride the coattails of guys who are
>ACTUALLY good (KAT, etc) and do something of merit.
>
>Let's see.
>

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103. "Dude would EAT on the Hawks (4 shooters on the floor)"
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They won't be re-signing Teague (who will most likely be moved for a wing: Ariza?) & Schroder is a scoring guard ala Reggie Jackson but they could use a pure PG who can setup their shooters.

The Hawks could trade Schroder & Splitters expiring contract to the Wolves who don't really have the personnel to spread the floor for a non-shooter PG. Just have Schroder/LaVine take turns running the offense looking to get buckets like Bledsoe/Dragic when Towns/Wiggy aren't ISO'ing.

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106. "Lol that trade would be bad for both teams."
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Atlanta wouldn't trade Schroder for Rubio straight up. And Minnesota would be dumb to build their offense around a combination of isos and a version of the two-headed-non-traditional-PG offense that failed in Phoenix.

  

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113. "Big Dummy, Dragic/Bledsoe didn't fail that was Isaiah/Dragic/Bledsoe "
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>Atlanta wouldn't trade Schroder for Rubio straight up.

Schroder isn't better than Reggie Jackson at the same point in his career & Reggie was traded for Enes Kanter who isn't better than Rubio.

>And
>Minnesota would be dumb to build their offense around a
>combination of isos and a version of the
>two-headed-non-traditional-PG offense that failed in Phoenix.

While the Big 3 were in their primes, the Spurs built around Parker(a scoring PG) & Manu (a combo guard) while running their offense through the post (Tim).

Schroder: Scoring PG
LaVine: Combo Guard
Towns: Big

Lavine will never been as good as Manu but Wiggy (Bruce Bowen) will make up for it.

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129. "Lol horrible analogy re ATL. And i guess you misspoke..."
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First you wrote "Just have Schroder/LaVine take turns running the offense looking to get buckets like Bledsoe/Dragic when Towns/Wiggy aren't ISO'ing." Now you're writing, "While the Big 3 were in their primes, the Spurs built around Parker(a scoring PG) & Manu (a combo guard) while running their offense through the post (Tim)." So i guess you meant to write "Just run the offense through post (Towns)."

I'm being hard on Phoenix in saying they failed but you definitely can't say they SUCCEEDED. And I don't think the mid-90s Spurs offense is what you described.

And Jackson for Kanter is in no way an analogous situation to a potential Schroder for Rubio trade. Jackson was backing up an MVP candidate PG on OKC, and about to leave if he didn't get start money. OKC traded him for a post scorer to fill a perceived need (I'm not a Kanter fan btw). Whereas indications are that ATL views Schroder as a potential future starter, and has shopped their current starting PG around. Totally different.

  

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134. "Tony/Manu did run PnRs w/ Tim when he wasn't posting up"
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>So i guess you meant to write "Just
>run the offense through post (Towns)."

Yes, their offense should run through Towns but that doesn't mean they have to throw the ball in the post & watch. They can run PnRs/PnPs with Towns since he has range all the way to the 3 point line. To take advantage of Schroder/LaVine's quickness they are better served running a two man game w/ Towns.

>And Jackson for Kanter is in no way an analogous situation to
>a potential Schroder for Rubio trade. Jackson was backing up
>an MVP candidate PG on OKC, and about to leave if he didn't
>get start money. OKC traded him for a post scorer to fill a
>perceived need (I'm not a Kanter fan btw). Whereas indications
>are that ATL views Schroder as a potential future starter, and
>has shopped their current starting PG around. Totally
>different.

Schroder has been clashing w/ Coach Bud & getting benched occasionally. He's going to be a free agent in 2017 & will most likely ask for a max like Reggie which I doubt they will oblige. If they want to win w/ Horford/Millsap/Korver then Rubio will give them a better chance than Schroder in the near future.

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104. "I didn't see this thread at the time."
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Wow. I had no clue folks were riding so hard for Rubio. I do wonder if folks liked Rubio that much or just wanted to argue with you just for argument's sake.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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118. "Its generally the latter around here..."
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>Wow. I had no clue folks were riding so hard for Rubio. I do
>wonder if folks liked Rubio that much or just wanted to argue
>with you just for argument's sake.

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107. "funny..."
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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/vicious-shirt-steph-curry-minnesota-timberwolves

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114. "Typical Monday Morning QB white douche behavior "
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>http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/vicious-shirt-steph-curry-minnesota-timberwolves

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117. "THE 26TH LETTER ZAKIM ALLAH on the mystery of ricky rubio:"
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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14903208/minnesota-attempt-send-ricky-rubio-speaks-volumes

The mystery of Ricky Rubio

Zach Lowe
ESPN Senior Writer
Mar 5, 2016

Danny Ainge's mystery target has received all the post-trade deadline attention, but with the Milwaukee Bucks and Minnesota Timberwolves facing off tonight, let's look at perhaps the most interesting deal that didn't happen February 18: Minnesota's push to acquire Khris Middleton.

After some initial talks, the Wolves told the Bucks they would swap Ricky Rubio for Middleton, and when the Bucks declined, the Wolves even discussed the possibility of tossing in a protected 2016 first-round pick, per league sources familiar with the matter. Other outlets have reported of the Bucks' interest in Rubio -- Bucks head coach Jason Kidd seems to have a thing for rangy point guards with busted jumpers -- but they never seriously entertained trading Middleton, sources say.

Giannis Antetokounmpo and Jabari Parker were never on the block, leaving the Bucks with only one real counter: a point guard challenge trade of Michael Carter-Williams for Rubio. The Wolves obviously weren't doing that, and discussions died, sources say.

The theoretical Rubio-Middleton swap, and that the Bucks now see Middleton as the more valuable player, lands smack at the intersection of several on- and off-court trends executives are still trying to grasp. Going all-in for Middleton makes a ton of sense given the skyrocketing salary cap that will warp the NBA's financial landscape in the next two years. He's just 24, thriving in the first year of a five-year, $70 million contract with a declining year-over-year salary after 2016-17. Almost every deal signed last summer, under the current $70 million cap, will look like a bargain in two years -- especially those attached to younger two-way players like Middleton just entering their primes.

We all focus on the next superstar that might become available via trade: DeMarcus Cousins, Blake Griffin, Kevin Love, or whichever name flutters into the news cycle this week. One or two of those guys might even get traded in the next year. But most don't, and when one becomes available, the Celtics and a couple of other teams are in position to outbid almost anyone.

Given that reality, I wondered before the season if a team might use its best trade ammo to chase a younger guy who had just signed a new contract. The two names I mentioned: Middleton and Tobias Harris. It took shockingly little ammo for the Detroit Pistons to snare Harris, but the Wolves appear to have been thinking along these lines in pursuing Middleton. It's a bold gambit, and probably a smart one: leverage Milwaukee's disappointing season and its well-known affinity for Rubio, still a starry name, into the sort of all-around wing shooter every smart team craves in the modern NBA.

Minnesota is in desperate need of shooting on the wing, especially since dealing Rubio would probably have required Zach LaVine to shift back to point guard and pretend he understands what in the hell he's supposed to do. Andrew Wiggins is shooting 26 percent from deep, and passes up open shots. Tayshaun Prince has made four 3s all season, and Shabazz Muhammad, the Wolves' other non-Wiggins option at small forward, is only a threat on short corner 3s. LaVine has a nice stroke, but he's better off the ball, and prone to nutty off-the-bounce chucks when he controls it. Karl-Anthony Towns is already a plus shooter at center, and he'll eventually shoot more 3s. The identity of Towns' long-term front-court partner is a mystery, especially with Gorgui Dieng a year from free agency, and the answer will be key in determining the look and feel of Minnesota's roster going forward.

Middleton is an easy fit anywhere. He's shooting 40 percent from deep for the third straight season, and he can hurt you off the dribble in just about every situation. You cannot hide a weaker or mismatched defender on him. He can run a nice pick-and-roll, post up smaller defenders, and blow by guys sprinting to close out on him. He can defend both wing positions, and hold his own against power forwards and point guards in a pinch.

In the NBA of switching defenses, 3-point bombing and playmaking from all five positions, you almost literally cannot have enough wings who can do all that stuff.

But Middleton can't run an offense, and dealing Rubio for him without any point guard contingency would have left Minnesota without anyone fit for that job. In the short term, that's fine. There's no harm in spending the last 25 games of this season experimenting with LaVine and Tyus Jones, losing every night and drafting high enough to take a shot on Providence's Kris Dunn. A core of Wiggins, Towns, Middleton, LaVine and a couple of other interesting guys would probably draw interest from second-tier starting point guards in free agency during the next two offseasons.

It has become harder to play a non-shooter, and, holy hell, is Rubio a non-shooter. He has never approached 40 percent overall, or even cracked 50 percent on shots within three feet of the basket. His jumper looks smoother after years of work with shooting experts, but he's still shooting just 30 percent from deep and 38 percent on long 2s. And those long 2s are Rajon Rondo shots -- wide-open looks defenses happily concede. Even if you hit them at a 40 percent clip, that still yields a lower points per possession figure than a functional half-court offense.

Rondo ruined the Dallas Mavericks' equal-opportunity offense last season because he is useless when he doesn't have the ball. He's doing better in a more ball-dominant role with the Sacramento Kings, but it's tough sledding for any offense when the opponent can duck under every screen and dare your opponent to shoot.

http://media.video-cdn.espn.com/gifs/mp4/dm_160304_nyk_min_pnr_2gif.mp4

Carter-Williams is coming off the bench now in Milwaukee, Elfrid Payton is bricking away with the Orlando Magic, and even the pass-happy Atlanta Hawks quaked in last season's playoffs when dialed-in defenses gave Jeff Teague space to shoot. Rubio makes Teague look like Stephen Curry, and would undoubtedly face the same under-every-pick treatment in the playoffs, when teams craft opponent-specific game plans. Scoring from the post is a challenge, since teams double-off Rubio -- even when he is just one pass away.

A point guard who can drain 3s off the dribble is a foundational piece for a good offense. A point guard who can't shoot from anywhere can be a chunk of debris gunking up the machinery.

Rubio also lacks the explosive athleticism John Wall, Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook and others used to compensate for their (initially) shaky jumpers. Go under against those guys, and they'll hit the jets, beat you to the other side of the screen and dunk on some poor help defender. Westbrook developed into a good midrange shooter, and Wall is at least approaching league-average from deep. Tony Parker made the leap by becoming an elite midrange shooter.

You can't blame Minnesota for being unsure that Rubio is the right point guard for its young core. But that's what makes this hypothetical swap so fascinating: there is something about Rubio that works in the NBA, even with all the indicators blaring that he should be a hugely damaging offensive player. And this goes beyond defense, where he's among the very best at his position -- a long, tough steals machine with a Ginobili-esque sense of when to sneak away from his man and lunge for steals. He and Manu should form a bank-robbing duo after Rubio retires.

The Wolves have been better on the court every year of Rubio's career, sometimes dramatically so, and more efficient on offense in every season but his rookie campaign, per NBA.com. They even did fine when Rubio played without Kevin Love on the floor.

There is a ton of noise in those numbers, obviously. The quality gap between Minnesota's starters and reserves during Rubio's time, and especially between Rubio and his primary backup in the past two years, probably inflates them. Other stats, including ESPN.com's adjusted plus-minus, paint him as something like an average point guard on offense, though he's even doing well there this season.

But Rubio does something on offense that defies expectations. It's rote to say he's a genius passer, but the dude is a genius freaking passer. There are lots of team executives who still believe in Rubio's ability to lift a team to higher places; he might have more trade value than you'd think, especially since he's on a team-friendly deal through 2018-19.

"We win games when I'm out there," Rubio told me in the fall. "I've just got to stay healthy."

All good point guards can make the paint-by-numbers passes at a high level. Turn around the screen, and hit the big man popping open for a jumper. Read the help defender pinching in from the weak side, and skip a cross-court pass to the open shooter there. If that second big man lurches up from the back line, thread a pass to his guy in the dunker spot.

Rubio makes those passes a bit differently, and a tick earlier, than almost every other point guard. The rhythm of his game is a micro-beat off in a way that helps his teammates. He might kick the ball back to Towns for an open midrange jumper while Towns' defender is still sliding away from Towns -- and toward Rubio's driving lane. Probe another half-second, as most point guards would, and Towns' defender has time to settle his feet, gather his momentum and rush back out to challenge Towns.

That skip pass to an open shooter will be airborne while that shooter's man is still sliding toward the paint -- making it almost impossible for him to scurry back out in time.

Rubio has a bunch of tricks that accelerate the timing of his passes. He can whip blind behind-the-back passes with either hand, saving the half-second it might take to turn his head, face his target and throw a two-handed pass.

He's one of the last real no-look passers in the NBA. He doesn't lock in on his target, start his passing motion and only then dramatically snap his head in the other direction. Those phony no-look jobs don't fool defenders as often, or hold their attention as long. When Rubio whips a no-look pass, he actually doesn't look at his target, and that creates an extra blip of confusion for defenses.

Basically: When you get the ball from Rubio, you get a little bit more of a head start than you would receiving the same pass from the typical NBA point guard. He sees you sooner, gets rid of the ball faster and uses some nifty delivery that widens your advantage. Rubio takes away spacing with his bad shooting, but he opens some up with his passing. If you're ready to drive or shoot the moment a Rubio pass hits your fingertips, you should have plenty of room to execute.

http://media.video-cdn.espn.com/gifs/mp4/dm_160304_por_min_rubio_pass_2gif.mp4

It's great to have as much shooting as possible. Duh. But not everyone can be the Golden State Warriors, and several teams are reminding us you can build a perfectly nice offense with blah shooting -- provided you keep the rock moving, so defenses can't load up off your weakest links.

Rubio also sees passes almost no one else sees, and slices defenses apart in transition. He doesn't dribble the air out of the ball -- playing under former coach Rick Adelman will drill that out of you -- and he can be a vicious screener away from it.

People love playing with him, and that matters. It means teammates will play hard for him, and for one another. Rubio finds mismatches almost the moment they happen. During the second half of Golden State's win against the Oklahoma City Thunder on Thursday night, Kevin Durant found himself one-on-one with Curry around the foul line as Westbrook dribbled along the left side. Durant begged for the ball. Westbrook ran a wild pick-and-roll and flung a line-drive floater off the backboard. Durant's shoulders sagged and he pounded his arms against his sides.

That would never happen with Rubio.

There are also plenty of coaches and GMs who see Rubio's shot as fixable, and would bet on him following the same jumper-improvement trajectory as Kidd.

There is a tendency to look at Rubio as both a finished product and a relic. You can understand why Minnesota would offer him up for Middelton, and it likely would win that exchange. But Rubio's still just 25, and he has spent half his career either injured or leading terrible teams. There are obvious flaws in his game, but there is also something bigger that works. I'd love to see him on a better team. Hell, I'd love to see him on a Wolves team with Middleton and Wiggins starting on the wing.

Rubio is something of an unsolved NBA mystery. I can't wait to see where he goes from here -- whether it's in Minnesota, or someplace else.

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119. "lol, he typed a lot of words just to say Rubio is a one trick pony..."
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>People love playing with him, and that matters. It means
>teammates will play hard for him, and for one another. Rubio
>finds mismatches almost the moment they happen. During the
>second half of Golden State's win against the Oklahoma City
>Thunder on Thursday night, Kevin Durant found himself
>one-on-one with Curry around the foul line as Westbrook
>dribbled along the left side. Durant begged for the ball.
>Westbrook ran a wild pick-and-roll and flung a line-drive
>floater off the backboard. Durant's shoulders sagged and he
>pounded his arms against his sides.
>
>That would never happen with Rubio.

So does that that mean he's better than Russy? Does it mean the any GM in the NBA would trade Russy for Rubio? Does it mean Durant would rather have Rubio as a teammate? No, No, and No, FOH, lol

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120. "lulz"
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never change, dogg. i mean it.

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122. "He kinda right, tho. "
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A lot of shucking and jiving to overlook his flaws

I think dude is good but all this plea copping and
excuse making is a bit extra

Ain't nobody doing that shit if he's Jamal from Inglewood

He's a shitty shooting point guard on a perennial loser

Hell, people are meaner to Rondo and Rondo got a chip



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123. "i mean... not really, nigga."
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but ok.

something something coffee.

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125. "Let's not mention Rondo and Rubio together. "
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There's never been one moment those 2 have ever had anything in common except playing basketball and sharing initials.

And people treat Rondo like he shoots Rubio numbers. Smh. NEVER... NEVER...EVER

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126. "Yeah, let's not"
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Rondo stopped playing defense in 2012 and has been shamelessly stat-padding since. Dude's career has been on life support as recently as last offseason.

  

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133. "And you used post #197 to throw support behind Rubio?"
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Weird even for an alias.

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124. "Zach Hoe rode Dion Waiters & abandoned him like a step-child"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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130. "yeah for whatever reason dula worships at the feet of that hack"
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146. "That's b/c he predicted that the Bulls will be the #1 seed-->"
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https://grantland.com/the-triangle/35-crazy-predictions-for-the-2015-16-nba-season/

WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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136. "i like Zach okay but he needs to let this one go"
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just like he conceded in a podcast recently that leadership and chemistry on a team... matter. he and his guest acted like it was this deep revelation

  

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139. "Most of these sportswriter dudes are so full of themselves, lol..."
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>just like he conceded in a podcast recently that leadership
>and chemistry on a team... matter. he and his guest acted like
>it was this deep revelation

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145. "That's b/c cats like Dula worship at their altar"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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137. "lol @ this being on page one tonight"
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138. "Dude just beat OKC on their homecourt w/ a 3 pointer, LoL"
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WHAT'S GOOD *****? What's REALLY good?!?!????!!! Ha HA!
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142. " BESAME EL CULO, PUTA! (c) Pretty Ricky"
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___________________

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149. "shooting improved every month this season."
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nov - .321 fg% (.422 ts%)
dec - .313 fg% (.490 ts%)
jan - .381 fg% (.508 ts%)
feb - .413 fg% (.611 ts%)
mar - .450 fg% (.616 ts%)

last 2 months (26 games):
13 ppg on 8 fga, 9.2 apg, 4.4 rpg, 1.9 spg, .450 fg%, .377 3p%, .883 ft%, .621 ts%

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150. "welp"
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151. "Ricky Rubio is not an NBA player, and MIN won't amount to $hit"
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until Dunn Dunn takes his spot.

IDC how good KAT and Wiggy are and could be

Ricky Rubio and that $hit contract are an albatross

until he goes back to Spain, MIN will not amount to much

might could make the playoffs

but once he's gone, they'll be a contender.

Sergio >>>

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152. "Sergio?"
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You can't mean Sergio Rodriguez, Ricky just shat on him this week in a blowout.

  

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153. "Ricky just shat on him = 4 points.?!"
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>You can't mean Sergio Rodriguez

Yes, Sergio Rodriguez >>>

$13M = 4pts





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154. "So is this still an L or nah?"
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163. "survey sayyyyyyys - YES!"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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155. "damn..."
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https://twitter.com/aarongleeman/status/674342417886257153

"Ricky Rubio has the lowest career field goal percentage (36.5%) of any NBA player with at least 5,000 career minutes in the past 50 years."

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156. "he sucks but hes actually the kind of pg they need"
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A better version that could actually make shots from time to time....

But they need a pg like him who prioritizes the passing over trying to get his own buckets when they got. Lol would Rondo work any better?

Towns, Wiggins, and Zach who all need their own 12+ shots per game.
Theyre actually built well on paper with Dieng and Rubio at the other 2 positions but are so bad defensively.

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157. "he sucks but I'd prolly still take him in Philly"
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because I'm at the point of being happy when TJ McConnell starts at PG to keep me from having to watch Sergio Rodriguez shot-putting three point attempts.

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158. "he's a liability, he basically gives the defense an extra player"
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159. "Dude been balling lately. Took forever, though. "
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160. "Playoff Rubio!"
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161. "YA HA EMPEZADO LA POSTTEMPORADA, VALE!?!"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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162. "So happy for him"
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Thibs was going to kill him if he couldn't trade him, glad he's somewhere he can thrive

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164. "Lmao this stupid"
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165. "There's a lot of replies for this tank'd title. "
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