I love MC-W's court vision, he's got the height but part of me really wonders about him as a lotto pick. He hasn't been taught how to play man defense and I think he'll get destroyed in his first couple of years in the league. His shot is lousy. His handle is very loose and I feel like he could get his pocket picked a lot (Guys like Bledsoe and Bradley are going to be salivating about going up against him.) And, obviously, he needs to add strength, which normally wouldn't be a big deal for a sophomore but Carter-Williams is turning 22 this year so it's not like he's a teenager who has yet to fill out.
He strikes me as a bit of a poor man's Shaun Livingston.
4. "Shaun was never fast either." In response to Reply # 2
Kyle might be slow but he always plays balanced and has both feet under his hips. Ben of course misused him. He should've been the pg instead of that high post facilitator shit. In the long term playing him there improved his overall skill set but didn't help uclA win.
He needs to work on that j. I mean I wouldn't mind if he embraced his inner fat man and spent a summer in the weight room and eating. He doesn't have to be muscular --just grow into that pf body which he eventually will have anyways. But offensively I think he can control the game as a pg with the right coach/system.
Hopefully Alford just lets him run the show. Alford is bringing his son with him though who is more of a scorer combo guard--so maybe he plays backup 1-2 behind jordan and Kyle.
--- "though time has passed, im still the future" (c) black thought
15. "is he really being projected as a NBA PG?" In response to Reply # 1
i know they hype him up as "6'9 PG" during the games but didn't know it was that serious i'd be interested in that and really if you're 6'9 you don't necessarily have to be fast imo lebron is essentially a PG (point forward) and he isn't nba PG fast jalen rose, magic, etc
19. "well thanks to Howland i don't think UCLA has another PG on the roster" In response to Reply # 15
next year, so we'll see him play the point way more often i think. i don't think his handles are as good as advertised and yeah he's slow as shit. not even in a "below NBA PG level fast" way, about 10 orders of magnitude slower than that
28. "Nah, it's why he should come consider leaving." In response to Reply # 15
He was played out of position at PF for a lot of this year and now he might have to move to PG, where he'll never play in the NBA. I also don't know if his stock is going to get any better. With every year, his potential diminishes and his lack of speed will become more and more the focus.
A good year could help him but it's going to be a stronger draft and UCLA won't be very good. He's in a tough spot.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86673 posts
Sat Mar-30-13 06:57 PM
8. "As a draft pick in the 20s, I'd buy." In response to Reply # 0
High-risk, high-reward with him. If you're a team picking in the early 20s who needs a PG, and Burke is off the table, it's worth the gamble, no question.
I wouldn't guarantee it or anything though since, after all, he went to Syracuse. It's just a matter of where he's picked. I wouldn't take him lotto. Too much of a gamble. The pieces of a steal are there though,
9. "basically. you can't pick him to matter day 1" In response to Reply # 8
however if you got a good journeyman to show him the tricks, weight room him, and let him get reps in the dleague, he could turn out like jeff teague, who took some time to get it, but now he does and he's not a bad ballplayer.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86673 posts
Thu Oct-31-13 12:47 AM
30. "^^^ no doubt. Totally didn't see this coming Day 1." In response to Reply # 29
I still think he'll be a season or two from consistency, but at least folks can see why his ceiling was cysed by those who watched Cuse ball last year.
31. "i'm happy for him. let's just temper expectations" In response to Reply # 29
let's all remember brandon jennings was the #1 guard and at times #1 player in his class, hit for 55 in his first week in the league, and has been struggling to get his shit right since.
but them long arms and that vision, can't teach. he'll get steals and assists.
I know he's old, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that he puts on the strength necessary to really become a valued asset to a team with pieces already in place.
17. "WHO THE FUCK MENTIONED FELTON???" In response to Reply # 14 Sun Mar-31-13 02:43 PM by subjctmattr
Damn ya'll just love riding me huh??
And OK I'll play....
Who do you think is gonna be more likely to have a better NBA season next year Felton or MCW?
I'l answer for you...that one that's gonna get playing time. MCW will ride the pine if not be in the D-league next year. Best advise for dude is to stay his ass in school.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86673 posts
Sun Mar-31-13 02:47 PM
18. "I'm a Duke fan. I like clowning Felton." In response to Reply # 17
And considering MCW has excelled in a system that relies on kicking the ball out to a roster of three-point shooters, I would think the Knicks would be quite interested in taking the risk.
20. "'Cuse has two guys who can hit the three" In response to Reply # 18
Southerland and Fair. They hardly have a roster full of people who shoot the three. Carter-Williams will take a year or two to get to where Jeremy Lin was, and that equaled not meshing well with 'Melo so he doesn't make a ton of sense with the Knicks. Of course, there's no way he falls to the Knicks pick so this is all moot anyway.
Nevermind the fact that you just complained about agendas ruining this board in another post and now you're randomly bringing up an agenda that adds nothing to the topic at hand.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86673 posts
Sun Mar-31-13 03:59 PM
22. "*rolls eyes*" In response to Reply # 20 Sun Mar-31-13 04:01 PM by Frank Longo
I'm a Duke guy. I even acknowledged in that post that Duke fandom shit are the only remote "agendas" I have.
I do not think Felton is a good answer at point for the Knicks, even disregarding UNC hate. And MCW's recent awesome surge has been tied directly to Southerland's 3-point stroke getting white hot.
Not saying MCW is the pick (I'd wanna see who's available), and not that MCW will be available there anyway... but since the Knicks have kinda struggled to find "the guy" at point, you could do worse than to draft and develop a guy with MCW's vision for the perimeter shooters.
24. "Oh, I know. You're such the victim." In response to Reply # 22
In trying to work your Felton agenda into the mix (which was your initial stated rationale for bringing him up), you a) assumed subjctmattr was talking about the Knicks specifically and that he wouldn't take C-W if he somehow fell to the 24th pick, which is a far cry from his current stock which now moving up to late lottery, b) constructed a world in which MC-W would be the only other PG option for the Knicks besides Felton, and C) you claimed that 'Cuse had "a roster of three-point shooters".
Of course, when it comes to your own opinion, you throw in caveats like you need to see who else is available and you change your comment to Southerland's hot streak helping Carter-Williams's game, ignoring the fact that the reason Southerland's hot streak is so important is because 'Cuse doesn't have a roster filled with three point shooters and relies heavily on two guys.
This is why agendas ruin this board and you acknowledging your agenda doesn't make it any less annoying.
Frank Longo Member since Nov 18th 2003 86673 posts
Sun Mar-31-13 05:21 PM
25. "lol, who said victim?" In response to Reply # 24
I' made a joke about Felton, a player that I (a) don't think is very good and (b) went to UNC so I like mocking him. There's nothing deeper there. If that's an agenda, okay.
Everything else is agenda-free. I'm not trying to agenda-ize MCW. Subjectmattr said he wouldn't take him, and since he's a Knick fan, that's where my mind went. And he HAS played his best ball down the stretch with Southerland' filling it up. That's just where my mind went when I thought of MCW as a Knick.
The reason why agendas are ruining the board is because now everyone assumes everything is some hard-line agenda at some invisible poker table. No one can say they just like or don't like a player anymore. Opinions can't evolve-- it's a race for the first agenda. Which is odd.
I've been hyping McGary as a pro since the tourney based on his recent play helping him live up to potential... But I wasn't high beforehand, because he wasnt playing at this level. Does that mean I have a McGary agenda? Or that I'm a bandwagoner? Or what?
It's gotten weird. I agree.
>In trying to work your Felton agenda into the mix (which was >your initial stated rationale for bringing him up), you a) >assumed subjctmattr was talking about the Knicks specifically >and that he wouldn't take C-W if he somehow fell to the 24th >pick, which is a far cry from his current stock which now >moving up to late lottery, b) constructed a world in which >MC-W would be the only other PG option for the Knicks besides >Felton, and C) you claimed that 'Cuse had "a roster of >three-point shooters". > >Of course, when it comes to your own opinion, you throw in >caveats like you need to see who else is available and you >change your comment to Southerland's hot streak helping >Carter-Williams's game, ignoring the fact that the reason >Southerland's hot streak is so important is because 'Cuse >doesn't have a roster filled with three point shooters and >relies heavily on two guys. > >This is why agendas ruin this board and you acknowledging your >agenda doesn't make it any less annoying.
26. "So what's ruining the board is what you just did" In response to Reply # 25
>The reason why agendas are ruining the board is because now >everyone assumes everything is some hard-line agenda at some >invisible poker table. No one can say they just like or don't >like a player anymore.
Kind of like subjtmattr saying that he doesn't like a player and you suddenly making it about Felton and the Knicks.
>I' made a joke about Felton, a player that I (a) don't think >is very good and (b) went to UNC so I like mocking him. >There's nothing deeper there. If that's an agenda, okay.
That's basically the definition of an agenda. Not sure how you can't see that or what deeper emotional depth you think most other agendas have.
23. "I WANT to love the guy.In fact in jan he was my favorite College player" In response to Reply # 0
But he is worse then Rubio when it comes to scoring, turns it over and doesnt use his size like he should. Can't see him being more then a 5 minute a game 25 games a year NBA player
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